From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 3 Oct 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 04:14:24 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Thursday, 3 Oct 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Re: Soundgarden and art BUTOW Overplayage now... Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 2 Oct 1996 Silly titles on bootlegs SG dreams *Grunge* Grunge.. why not Kansas City? SF tickets dotu cover Re:Soundgarden and art Re: Just wondering abt "grunge RE: Soundgarden and art Re: Just wondering abt "grunge Re: Some provinces should outlaw peeling grapes Thingy-my quest for yet MORE E-mail (G) Is there any need for this?? Re: *Grunge* In defense of "grunge" not currently SG related Re: Just wondering abt "grunge soundgarden and life Weird... Oh yeah... Re: Just wondering abt "grunge this whole grunge thing... RE: Oh yeah... Re: BUTOW Overplayage now... Re: Just wondering abt "grunge Re:every word I've said is what I mean... Re: Just wondering abt "grunge HERETIC, BURN AT THE STAKE RE: tool Soundgarden Tickets for palace of Auburn Hills RE: hola sommsters... Re: BUTOW Overplayage now... RE: Tickets to Seattle shows Re: Just wondering abt "grunge southeast sommsters any bass lovers out there? LA show... Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 2 Oct 1996 Re: *Grunge* Re: Soundgarden Tickets for palace of Auburn Hills Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 2 Oct 1996 Re: soundgarden and life ------------------------------------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com (GRRL NIKI FREER) Subject: Re: Soundgarden and art on october 1, 1996, Mo wrote: >I have a chance to do an art project on SG! Work made into fun! >Then I started thinking... Jesus Christ Pose... well, if you have the JCP video, you could try to recreate on of those intense series of crosses that flash on the screen. you could paint a huge cross with that girl on it too. or you could make some really really depressing scene from FOBD. or, hey- what about Kyle Petty? :) j/k. I dunno, i think i'd be going nuts now too. I'm really really into Tighter & Tighter's lyrics, so you could try to pick something out of them and make it yr "interpretation" of what chris's words mean. mind riot ____ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ warm and sweet swinging from a window's ledge tight and deep one last sin before i'm dead ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: Badmotorfinger@nrunner.mil.wi.us Subject: BUTOW Overplayage now... Has anyone noticed overplayage of Blow up the Outside World recently? The two crappy ass alternative stations never played it up until the last 2 weeks, and now it's on all the time. It's kind of sad, because I automatically put two strikes against anything played on Newrock 102.1, and they have been dishonoring SG by trying to play them, makes me sick... If it's alternative it's crap. ------------------------------ From: Evelyn Buerger Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 2 Oct 1996 Hi! This is my first posting....be gentle. I know this is odd but, listening to "Room a Thousand Years Wide" makes my horny. Pretty morbid huh? What would Freud have to say about that? Kitti69 ------------------------------ From: Deborah Baker Subject: Silly titles on bootlegs On Wednesday 2nd Oct, Shroom wrote: > Oh, I found a SG boot the other day titled something like >"Soundgarden... Live from Vermont." It was in a yellow digipak, and it had >pictures from "Flower" on it. Mostly it was live stuff from Motorvision >(Seattle, March 5th & 6th, 1992)... and a few regularly recorded tracks. > Nothing I'm sure that most of us don't have. I thought it was funny, >though... 'cuz "Hunted Down" was titled "Haunted Down," and JCP was "Jesus >Christ Pope." I laughed like crazy, and people gave me weirder looks than >usual. Oh well. Just thought I'd share that with you. You're welcome. I have a bootleg vinyl pic disc called Mind Riot (Live in the Netherlands '92) which includes "Big DAMP sex"! Woah! Deb ------------------------------ From: psyche Subject: SG dreams Well, seeing as quite a lot of you have SG dreams, I thought I'd share two of mine. In the first one I'm a German shepherd dog and I'm on stage with the band. Matt gives me a bone and Ben pats my head a couple of times. Then the band starts playing "My Wave"; and the funny thing is, that instead of seeing a huge crowd of fans, all you could see in front of the stage are waves of water, and the sky is red. Then Kim and Chris take out some fishing equipment and start fishing.......hmm.....very strange. The other one is more bizarre: SG is in my bathroom practicing Ben and Matt are standing, Chris is sitting on the toilet seat, and Kim is sitting in the bathtub. (they're all dressed btw) I ask them why they're here, and Chris says that the acoustics are so much better in my bathroom. The strange thing was, that none of the band members had arms, but they still managed to play. After that they gave me some demo tapes and autographs and drove away (still without arms) in a yellow porsche. I'm not sure if there's any meaning behind any of this; just thought I'd share it with you :) sabrina ------------------------------ From: ONE & ONLY ALI-G Subject: *Grunge* Why try to lable SG as grunge or as anything??? Listen to the band for what they say...not because they belong to a certain category. enough said...... ------------------------------ From: jbellace@cosi.stockton.edu (John Bellace, Jr.) Subject: Grunge.. Me- Mostly I agree with everything you said about grunge. But I must disagree with you that it never was a music form. It WAS guitars tuned down, but it was also a setting on the amp/guitar that gave the music a very muddy, thick, bassy sound. It WAS NOT flannel shirts. It WAS NOT Pearl Jam. It WAS NOT just Seattle bands. Once it became a fashion statement, and a term for everything Seattle, it lost its meaning. But to say grunge as a music form never existed because of what the media did to it is like saying punk never existed for the same reasons (Old school punk, that is...). Also, a band doesn't have to be a grunge band, but they can play grunge songs. I definately wouldn't classify Soundgarden as a grunge band, but I would argue that songs like "Gun" and "4th of July" are pretty close to the original meaning of the style. But, I agree, if I hear Pearl Jam classified as grunge one more time I think I might start wringing throats... -J- ------------------------------ From: Todd Yowell Subject: why not Kansas City? Why isn't SG coming to Kansas City. they came with lolla. so why aren't they. They can come to St. Joseph MO. (where you ask?) it is 50 miles north of K.C. MO., we have a small but very nice arena and hold 4200+ people in it. Just an ideal! laterz todd ------------------------------ From: Ian P McDowell/SF/MAID Subject: SF tickets I am very excited about the two Warfield shows in San Francisco! Does anybody know when tickets go on sale? Thank you, Ffaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrr Aaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ From: infinite Subject: dotu cover anyone notice that the bottom of the cover to dotu is black on the left and fades to blue on the right? i just thought it was neat.... ------------------------------ From: Martha Kidd I just joined the list, nice to meet y'all. Yep, I'm from Alabammie. Anyone else? I've been an SG fan for many a year and I've only seen them live once. Pretty sad, huh? Anyway, that once was pretty awesome, but not nearly enough. No, I don't really talk like that, but yes, I do eat fried squash and hoe cakes and chicken n dumplins. Bye! ------------------------------ From: Paul_Faraguna@dbna.com (Paul Faraguna) Subject: Re:Soundgarden and art on 10/1/96 majoc@indigo.ie wrote: >Subject: Soundgarden and art >Hello y'all! >I got the themes for my art project yesterday. >I know this may not _sound_ SG related but here they are: >1. My Bag (Yes, this was one of 'em) >2. My World >3. Rush Hour >4. Reflections >and... >5. My favourite poem/song >The minute I saw that last option, my mind just clicked... >I have a chance to do an art project on SG! Work made into fun! >Then I started thinking... Jesus Christ Pose... >Anyhow, anyone else got any ideas? I've sort of reached a mental >block as to what to do the project on, my choice is so huge! >So... anyone got any SG songs they'd like to see made into an art >project? A huge rusty cage with somebody stuck in it for a 3d model? >Ideas! I need ideas!! >Mo. Wow! Great project; the possibilities are endless: 1. Searching With My Good Eye Closed (could be very spooky, my 1st choice) 2. Black Hole Sun (could be to obvious) 3. Superunknown (you could take a stab at defining the "Superunknown") 4. Jesus Christ Pose (could be dangerous) 5. Room A 1000 Years Wide (could be too ambitious) Anyway, just some ideas. Hope they helped. They may have just confused you more. Paul ------------------------------ From: hairy eyeball Subject: Re: Just wondering abt "grunge On Tue, 1 Oct 1996, Joe Cennamo wrote: > I agree with most of what you said but I think you are confused if you > think that there are no simalarities. > I don't think of them as a cool ban. If you could go to school with me and > se the people thier, you would definatly understand that I like different > music then they do. > Someone just said that they were not a grunge band, If they are not grunge > then what are they? As Grunge doesn't exist, they are a Rock band. And what are these similarities that all these bands share that no other bands on the planet have? - -me ------------------------------ From: hairy eyeball Subject: RE: Soundgarden and art On Tue, 1 Oct 1996, Monnica Lewis wrote: > The minute I saw that last option, my mind just clicked... > I have a chance to do an art project on SG! Work made into fun! > Then I started thinking... Jesus Christ Pose... > Anyhow, anyone else got any ideas? I've sort of reached a mental > block as to what to do the project on, my choice is so huge! > So... anyone got any SG songs they'd like to see made into an art > project? A huge rusty cage with somebody stuck in it for a 3d model? > Ideas! I need ideas!! Being an artist myself, I can understand you dilema. I have a few suggestions of my own which may help you (in the form of SG songs, of course):- 1. 4th of July 2. Boot Camp 3. Applebite 4. Searching With My Good Eye Closed 5. Limo Wreck There are jsut some ideas. I have had songs which have inspired me to do pieces before. It's good when that happens. - -me ------------------------------ From: hairy eyeball Subject: Re: Just wondering abt "grunge On Tue, 1 Oct 1996, Joe Cennamo wrote: > I agree with most of what you said but I think you are confused if you > think that there are no simalarities. Then what are these similairites. Tell me, how do AIC and Nirvana (for instance) sound alike in any way? > Someone just said that they were not a grunge band, If they are not grunge > then what are they? They are a Rock band, doing their won unique form of Rock, as I said in my previous post, if you read it. - -me ------------------------------ From: hairy eyeball Subject: Re: Some provinces should outlaw peeling grapes On Tue, 1 Oct 1996, Jack Parsons wrote: > Hi guys, > I just got the Burden single a couple days ago!! Does anybody else not like > Karaoke that much? On the upside, it is growing on me. The first time I heard > it I didn't even listen all the way through. Bleed together is fantastic > though. I also have the My Wave single, so the B.R. demo is not new to me. > Just thought I'd share... "Karaoke" is a kickass song!! (I don't believe I just said that!!). I liked it the first time i heard it. Then again, I just like wierd sounding stuff like that. Maybe I'm just perverse or something... - -me ------------------------------ From: Nancy E Meyers Subject: Thingy-my quest for yet MORE E-mail (G) 1. Favorite SG song lyrically JCP 2. Favorite SG lyric(s) "I woke the same as any other day, you know I should have stayed in bed." -The Day I Tried to Live 3. Favorite SG song musically(overall sound) 4th of July 4. Favorite part of a SG song(favorite guitar/bass/drum/solo riff, vocal effects, etc.) The way Chris sings the following lines from Tighter and Tighter: "A sucking holy wind/Will take me from this bed tonight/And bloody wits/Another hits me and I have to say goodbye" 5. Favorite SG song 4th of July, Overfloater, Pretty Noose 6. Instrument (if you play one...or you can just list your favorite one you'd like to learn to play/admire etc.) I want to learn to play the guitar 7. Favorite all time lyric "I know someday you'll have a beautiful life,I know you'll be a star, in somebody's else's sky, but why, why, why can't it be, can't it be mine"--Black by Pearl Jam 8. Favorite all time song Too hard to narrow it down to one, but a few I can come up with are-- State of Love and Trust-Pearl Jam, 4th of July-SG, Say Hello 2 Heaven-Temple of the Dog 9. Favorite SG album Superunknown 10. Favorite pizza topping mushrooms 11. Favorite ice cream flavor Oreo cookies and cream 12. Advice for compiling the responses to this thing:-) Have fun! ------------------------------ From: hairy eyeball Subject: Is there any need for this?? I cannot believe that there are actually people on this list who behave like this. People who think "Ah, this guy has a different opinion to me, so I think I'll flame him!!". I thought I'd forward this interesting piece of mail on to you all, to let you all know that there are people as stupid (and as spineless) as this guy lurking on the list. In fact, he's so brave, he had to send me this mail under an anonymous email address. So, Randall@mercury, whoever you are, you're a spineless, cowardly little worm. Why not come out with what you have to say directly instead of hiding behind fake address. Are you scared or something?? I know this isn't exactly relevant to anything, but I thought that since it was obviously sent by someone on this list and it was regarding something I had written to the list, that I'd pass it on to you all. - -me - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 13:32:30 -0400 From: Randall@mercury To: ags3@coventry.ac.uk Subject: Re: Kim dream -Reply Hey, me-----you must think more deeply when it comes to subjects of the mind. It's fucking assholes like you who ruin what psychologists have been studying for years. Go fuck yourself. >>> hairy eyeball 10/01/96 11:25am >>> On Mon, 30 Sep 1996, Geoff Kleemola wrote: > People keep mentioning dreams about Soundgarden, and it's not that > surprising, according to Freud. I'm taking a course on Freud, and I had > to read "The Interpretation of Dreams". Anyway, Freud's main idea about > dreams, is that, without exception, all dreams are fulfillments of > conscious or unconscious wishes. So, whether you know it or not, you > wanted to meet him. You _don't_even_want_to _know_ what Freud would say > about the ice cream cone. (although Shroom and some of the female > listers might) Incidentally, I've had 2 SG dreams myself. (No ice cream > cones, though) hehehe > Geoff, the psychoanalytic list member While I believe that some dreams have relevance or menaing, I'm not one of these people that has to attribute some sort of hidden or deeper menaing to eveything my subconscious mind throws up during my sleeping hours. Most of it you can't even remember anyway, and a lot of dreams are so silly or surreal, it seems pointless thrying to figure out what they mean. But there are people out there who have to devise a theory for every dream, every song lyric and every artist's piece of work - even though one can never hope to know how another individual perceives reality and therefore not know how their mind works. I'm not trying to get at you or anything, Geoff, so don't take the wrong idea about this, I'm just skeptical about stuff like this. That's all... - -me ------------------------------ From: hairy eyeball Subject: Re: *Grunge* On Wed, 2 Oct 1996, ONE & ONLY ALI-G wrote: > > > Why try to lable SG as grunge or as anything??? Listen to the band for what > they say...not because they belong to a certain category. > > enough said...... > Thank you!! - -me ------------------------------ From: clindz@wavenet.com (chris) Subject: In defense of "grunge" I'm not usually one to defend the use of meaningless labels - my armchair crusade against the FDA notwithstanding :) - but try this on for size: "Hairy Eyeball's" argument about the lack of musical similarity between the bands typically called "grunge" was real passionate and made good sense. I've always thought of the term "grunge" as being used to describe an attitude as opposed to a particular musical style. The "grunge" attitude is the whole "I'm wearing what I want, personal hygiene isn't real high on my list, fuck it all, my art is what's important to me, I'll do whom and what I want and when I want and the opinion of the rest of the world ain't all that important" kind of thing. What's valued is the quality of the music (and quality referring to emotional content and expression rather than technically perfect playing or stunning production values). And what isn't valued is the show biz that goes along with it. That's why PJ stopped doing videos and Chris cut his hair, etc, etc... because they were afraid that the music was being forgotten or overshadowed. Granted I don't live inside their heads so I don't know if the motives were that pure but in my heart of hearts I hope that's the case. Definitely all the "grunge" bands possess - or at least are sold as possessing - the above-mentioned attitude. Alice, Soundgarden, Nirvana, PJ, Tad, Mudhoney, even Stone Temple Pilots to an extent. That they all (except STP) come from Seattle is incidental. In fact, the press started referring to Neil Young as "the godfather of grunge" not long ago. Not because his music necessarily sounds like any of the "grunge" bands (forget Mirror Ball for a minute), but because he's had the fuck it all, anti-corporate attitude forever. He's never (publicly) given a damn what the critics have to say, he's never gone out of his way to look pretty for the press, he doesn't often give interviews and when he does he keeps his music the topic. So to me, to say a band is "grunge" means they don't go for all the bullshit. Which is not such a bad thing at all. Sure the term got misapplied and overapplied (though not as badly as the word "punk" or for that matter "alternative") and, like any term that groups people together, became reductive and meaningless, so thank god it's going away. But what it originally meant was actually a good and noble thing. My $.02 peace, chris * * * * * * * * * * "Die, Mint-Eaters!": from the movie "Eat the Rich" ------------------------------ From: Andrea Pinto Subject: not currently SG related Does anyone know when the next Truly cd is being released? I thought I heard sometime in the fall. ------------------------------ From: BdMtrFngr Subject: Re: Just wondering abt "grunge On Wed, 2 Oct 1996, hairy eyeball wrote: > On Tue, 1 Oct 1996, Joe Cennamo wrote: > > > I agree with most of what you said but I think you are confused if you > > think that there are no simalarities. > > Then what are these similairites. Tell me, how do AIC and Nirvana (for > instance) sound alike in any way? > Go on the street and go up to a old guy, you know a guy in his forties or something(my apologies to anyone on the list who is 40 or older), and play a tape of AIC and of Nirvana. To this guy, they are the same band. Then show the guy a picture of both bands and he will say they look grungy. Thank you ------------------------------ From: "Jennifer Zagame (PHI)" Subject: soundgarden and life This whole e-mail thing is new to me, and I am not sure if I like it yet. But I do want to say that the bittersweet sounds of Soundgarden have been my salvation. I know, it sounds disgustingly over-dramatic but raw truth always appears as such. I consider myself as more than an avid listener with a great appreciation for the music and lyrics -- I owe my life to these guys, literally. If it wasn't for the lyrics that spoke directly for the feelings I had as a kid who never "fit in" I would have terminated my life. Just as their music has grown and changed, so have I. There is some kind of bizarre link there. . . . Having attempted to put it into words is almost embarrassing -- they don't seem to beging to explain my feelings. Can anybody relate? ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Weird... I was watching the late late late movie last night (the original 'Night of the Living Dead'... is that cheezy, or what?) and a commercial came on for MTV's Rock the Vote. Guess what their lead-in song was? 'Pretty Noose.' AAUUUGGHHH!!! Weird, weird, weird. The horror movie that I was watching made me laugh, and the MTV commercial freaked me out. I was sitting there talking to myself, not paying any attention to the TV... and all of the sudden my body just REACTED to the music, without me being aware of what I was reacting TO. It really did scare the hell out of me for a bit. I had been laying on my back in the middle of the floor, and then the next thing I knew I was up on my knees looking frantically around the room. My heart was beating like crazy, and I was like "What the FUCK is going on?!?!?" After a few seconds of freaking out and wondering why I was suddenly so tense and alert... I heard the music, and I knew that IT was what had affected me so strongly. Weeeeeird, huh? Heheheh... that's how deep SG's music is imbedded in me. My subconscious recognizes it, even when I'm not paying any attention. Ain't life grand? =) Shroom "I can think of something else that could get you on your knees, Shroomy. You get your camera and the green jello, and I'll go pick up Dave Navarro. Meet us back at your hotel room in a half hour." ~ Chris Cornell (Words not necessarily said in that order...) <~~~ my disclaimer Sorry Dena, babe... but you're not invited. =) Heheheh... ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Oh yeah... Forgot to mention that I picked up the "Soundgarden" '97 calendar a couple weeks ago. Really, they should have titled it the "Chris Cornell" calendar. Every single picture is of Chris... except for two of the whole band. I recommend June, February, and October. =) Especially JUNE. JUNE will be a VERY good month in '97, methinks. Did I mention yet how STUNNING the month of JUNE is?? Heheheh... Shroom "Picture me naked, fucking Prince Charles." ~ Chris Cornell Ha!! He really said that!!! I love it!! Vikki shared that little jem with me last night... THANK YOU, VIKKI!!!!!!! But what was the joke? ;-) "Picture me naked..." Oh my, the images that come to mind... I can't even begin to tell you people. But hey, no one can blame me for doing it now, 'cuz he told people to picture it, right?!? =))) Damn, but life is good sometimes. I'm picturing something like a variation of the month of JUNE right now. June is SO hot!! Yummy yummy... heheheh... ------------------------------ From: Joe Cennamo Subject: Re: Just wondering abt "grunge > As Grunge doesn't exist, they are a Rock band. And what are these > similarities that all these bands share that no other bands on the planet > have? > > -me > They don't have any simitarities that no other bands have. They have a similar ound in ways though. Mainly, no sappy love longs. joec ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com (GRRL NIKI FREER) Subject: this whole grunge thing... guys, come on now. this entire discussion about whether SG or any other band is grunge or not is silly and taking up a lot of space. if you want to argue amongst yrselves about it, go ahead, but keep it off the list. it's really irratating to have to go through a million notes of which half are the same two people arguing. so, could ya take it to private e-mail or stop? please? mind riot ____ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ warm and sweet swinging from a window's ledge tight and deep one last sin before i'm dead ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: Monnica Lewis Subject: RE: Oh yeah... Heeeyyy. Where are you guys getting these calendars? I want one. Are you ordering them? Help! I must have one! I must! Monnica :-) ---------- From: ShRooMGrLz To: SOMMS Subject: Oh yeah... Date: Wednesday, October 02, 1996 2:31PM Forgot to mention that I picked up the "Soundgarden" '97 calendar a couple weeks ago. Really, they should have titled it the "Chris Cornell" calendar. Every single picture is of Chris... except for two of the whole band. I recommend June, February, and October. =) Especially JUNE. JUNE will be a VERY good month in '97, methinks. Did I mention yet how STUNNING the month of JUNE is?? Heheheh... Shroom "Picture me naked, fucking Prince Charles." ~ Chris Cornell Ha!! He really said that!!! I love it!! Vikki shared that little jem with me last night... THANK YOU, VIKKI!!!!!!! But what was the joke? ;-) "Picture me naked..." Oh my, the images that come to mind... I can't even begin to tell you people. But hey, no one can blame me for doing it now, 'cuz he told people to picture it, right?!? =))) Damn, but life is good sometimes. I'm picturing something like a variation of the month of JUNE right now. June is SO hot!! Yummy yummy... heheheh... ------------------------------ From: mshaw@lib.occ.cccd.edu (Misty Shaw) Subject: Re: BUTOW Overplayage now... >Has anyone noticed overplayage of Blow up the Outside World recently? The two >crappy ass alternative stations never played it up until the last 2 weeks, and >now it's on all the time. It's kind of sad, because I automatically put >two strikes >against anything played on Newrock 102.1, and they have been dishonoring SG by >trying to play them, makes me sick... > > > > > >If it's alternative it's crap. I strongly agree with you. I'd like to know where you are from, because sometimes regions have to do with the overplaying of songs on commercial radio. I don't know if you ever heard of KROQ 106.7, but they are an alternative station. They used to be REALLY alternative in the heyday of Guns N' Roses and Metallica. Nothing is alternative anymore, so why do radio stations say that they are? KROQ has been playing BUTOW constantly. Before DOTU, they would constantly play singles from Superunknown. They hardly play anything before that--like Jesus Christ Pose, Rusty Cage, Loud Love, or any other hardcore SG favorites. There used to be a radio station in southern california that kicked ass because they played true rock, but with the popular demand for "alternative", the station went out of business, to the dismay of many people. Commercial alternative radio REALLY SUCKS. There's still hope in a lot of college radio stations, though. RoseeMisst ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Just wondering abt "grunge From: tonerkin@usa.pipeline.com (Tonerkin) On Oct 02, 1996 13:19:39, 'BdMtrFngr ' wrote: >Go on the street and go up to a old guy, you know a guy in his forties or >something(my apologies to anyone on the list who is 40 or older), and play >a tape of AIC and of Nirvana. To this guy, they are the same band. You mean this isn't the Alice's Garden of Nirvana mailing list??????? E-gads I have been at the wrong place all this time!!!!!! Could someone help me back to the home please my strained peas are waiting. toni ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: Re:every word I've said is what I mean... blind dog said: > overall, I think soundgarden have had time to adjust to the > limelight they are now receiving because they took the long road to > success, and weren't in a rush to sell a million records or get on the > front of entertainment weekly. the band have stayed true to themselves, > retained real control over all artistic elements of their work and have > not compromised for anyone. where in that did you perceive that the band > has been held back creatively or otherwise kathie? Actually my perception comes from Chris' lyrics, particularly those on BMF. Rusty Cage, Outshined, Slaves & Bulldozers, Drawing Flies, and Holy Water all seem to have elements of creativity being stifled, and the frustrations of "celebrity" and living in a tight-assed society. I agree with all you said about SG and the business aspects of their career. They are uncompromising and true to themselves always. What I meant was that I think there is more there, lyrically especially, that has perhaps been held back somewhat, through their own choice of course. A while back we had a thread about the lyrics in Drawing Flies. I think this song is a classic example of feeling like you want to write something, but holding yourself back, knowing what the general reaction would be. I don't know if this makes sense to you, but its a choice anyone who puts their work into the public arena has to worry about and make choices about. I never said SG compromised themselves in any way. What I was saying was that they, like any other artists, have had to weigh the decisions of what they record by what will be most, um, appropriate, accepted, whatever. You can't honestly believe that they just throw any old songs together just because they happen to like them. In no way did I mean my post as a slam at SG. Actually it was a slam at the "business" and at our essentially prudish society that tends to cater to right wing whims. I think almost EVERY artist is held back somewhat by these things. And the ones who aren't, don't make it. Think about it. Kathie > ------------------------------ From: Nate Crosswhite Subject: Re: Just wondering abt "grunge At 09:28 PM 10/2/96 GMT, Tonerkin wrote: >On Oct 02, 1996 13:19:39, 'BdMtrFngr ' wrote: >>Go on the street and go up to a old guy, you know a guy in his forties or >>something(my apologies to anyone on the list who is 40 or older), and play >>a tape of AIC and of Nirvana. To this guy, they are the same band. > > You mean this isn't the Alice's Garden of Nirvana mailing list??????? > E-gads I have been at the wrong place all this time!!!!!! Could someone >help me back to the home please my strained peas are waiting. toni > Ha ha! You are right, age has little to do with appreciating the differences between these (or other) bands. I'm 22 now, and four years ago, AIC, SG and Nirvana all sounded like 'random noise' to me. It took me about two years of listening to these bands before I considered myself able to pick out what I now think are obvious differences. It wasn't my age, it was the types of music that I listened to before that had conditioned me that way. Nate ------------------------------ From: mshaw@lib.occ.cccd.edu (Misty Shaw) Subject: HERETIC, BURN AT THE STAKE Thanks very much, Seth. I was just about to ask the other SOMMS members about the origin of "Heretic". I recorded the song on commercial radio(ZOINKS!) about a year and a half ago, and I had no idea where that song came from. I didn't even know the name of the song until I checked your list of lyrics, for the words of "Heretic" are hard to decipher. I LOVE the way the song changes tempo when the chorus comes, and I LOVE it when Chris screams, "HERETIIIC!" The mellow darkness of Kim's guitar really rules. Today I read your random link, "foreshocks" and now I know that I can find a better CD recorded version on DeepSix or Foreshocks(if I can find it.) Thanx. RoseeMisst ------------------------------ From: COCHRAN_BONNIE/SBCTC@ctc.ctc.edu Subject: RE: tool <> Hi Michael, That was me telling a story of the time a friend of mine 'met' Chris. I previously thought it was in 88 or 89, but now I'm thinking it was in 91. Last night I read an article in a local paper called 'this.' It had a review of the Fishbone show in Olympia. Here's what they had to say, in short: "They shook the stage and it wasn't until this moment that the magnitude of the show set in. It was and will be the most out of control show Olympia has hosted for along while. It's right up there with Soundgarden playing the Capital Theatre in 91, part of the K-Records International Pop Underground Festival." I'm thinking this must have been the same night my friend exchanged his beer for a ticket with Chris. So Michael, are you in Lacey or nearby? I work in downtown Olympia and live past the airport (for now). Do you go to St. Martin's or work there? E-mail me! We've got a bunch of people meeting later this month to see Hater and meet Shroom, Dena and Christy. Also, the Tool tickets go on sale this Saturday at 11 a.m. Bonnie ------------------------------ From: Gonzo Subject: Soundgarden Tickets for palace of Auburn Hills Ticket for Soundgardenon nov.12 at the palace of Auburn Hills go on sale Friday at 5:00pm. I heard this on the radio just now.So,I called Ticketmaster and confirmed that info.Tixs go on sale Friday 5:00pm EST. I plan on getting a ticket.Is anyone else going to this concert or am I the only one?E-mail me,and maybe we can meet up somewhere for our very own Sommsfest'96 Gonzo-60hr working fool ------------------------------ From: COCHRAN_BONNIE/SBCTC@ctc.ctc.edu Subject: RE: hola sommsters... Dan Murphy wrote: <> The shows are actually going to be on December 10th and 11th, or so they say. <> I'm one who plans to attend both shows, as well as the one in Vancouver, BC on December 7th. There are a bunch other NW Sommsters including, but not limited to: Caryn, Chris, Andrea, Aaron (The List Thug), Ryan (brother of the List Thug) and Vikki. We usually try to get together for shows, so I'm sure we'll do our best to keep in touch with what's happening. We're pretty good that way. ;-)) And with Dena in charge of shirts this time, we WILL have them for our shows, yeeehaw, go Dena!!!!! <<(thanks for nothing, nothingdick)....i missed that whole drama this summer, but i get the general idea of what happened>> All I can say is....LUCKY YOU!!! As I mentioned in an earlier post, the same bunch of people (and more) are planning to get together for Hater on Halloween at the OK Hotel...well, and before that too. The official meeting with Shroom and Dena will be on October 25 at the OK (sheesh, I woulda thought *everyone* would know this by now ;-))). Hope everyone is 21 by then!!! And Vikki is back in Seattle. I imagine her silence is due to the beginning of fall quarter at the UW. I spoke with last week sometime. She was gonna post to the list, but it must be a *super* busy time right now. Hope you have a chance soon, Vikki, I'm anxious to hear more about your adventures in Europe! So Dan, where do you live these days? E-mail me, I forgot to mention in my other post (i do so few), but I'm on the digest. If you respond to the list, I might look like a snob for not getting back to you. ;-) Bonnie ------------------------------ From: Monnica Lewis Subject: Re: BUTOW Overplayage now... Cruelty of all cruelties, the local college radio station here was sold to a company that turned it into a country station. It's now "the Bear - - - grrrowl" (I have to laugh whenever I hear their station ID, which fortunately is rarely.) Anyway, thanks for the warnings that yet another of my favorite songs is about to be played into the ground. I wonder how the guys in SG feel about their songs being overplayed? I'm sure it's good for them in the sense that it helps sell records to "trendies" (ok ok I won't start on that again), but does anybody else on the list feel like it really kind of "cheapens" the music or makes it less affective (I can't find the right words) when it gets played every hour on the hour? Lastly, Halloween's around the corner. Anyone have plans to dress up like their favorite SG member? ok I'll shut up now. Monnica :-) ---------- From: mshaw To: somms Subject: Re: BUTOW Overplayage now... Date: Wednesday, October 02, 1996 1:23PM There's still hope in a lot of college radio stations, though. RoseeMisst ------------------------------ From: COCHRAN_BONNIE/SBCTC@ctc.ctc.edu Subject: RE: Tickets to Seattle shows Aldrich wrote: <> Yes, and I would hope that any and all other NW sommsters (or anyone, for that matter) would keep us all informed. << I'd like to go to both, but I don't know if that'll be possile.>> If you're talking about not being able to get a ticket for both shows, that's one of my little 'fears' also. I know of a pretty good TM location, meaning not many people know about it or use it. I'm thinking I won't have a problem there, but you never know. Also, the fan club sent a notice saying if you were a member and a show sold out in your area, there would be a way to get tickets. Now, that would be great, but with the swiftness (read: total sarcasm) in which they operate, I'm not sure I'd put much faith in that. Hopefully, they will surprise us. I know other people were wondering how long it took to get their welcome packet. I sent my check in on June 25. They finally posted the check on July 17. During that time I sent them 6 messages asking about confirmation of my check and getting subscribed to their email list. Nothing. It took the man himself, Seth, to get any positive response out of them (he's my hero!). And finally my welcome packet came. I don't know what day it was, but the envelope was postmarked August 6. Keep the faith, I guess... And since I asked the other guys, where are you at Ryland? Bonnie (wow, three posts in one day, this is a record!!) ------------------------------ From: Monnica Lewis Subject: Re: Just wondering abt "grunge ---------- From: Monnica Lewis To: Monnica Lewis Subject: Re: Just wondering abt "grunge Date: Wednesday, October 02, 1996 5:04PM Opps! typo I meant to say we SHOULDN'T let our music be defined by "an old guy". Sometimes I think faster than I type. - sorry ---------- From: Monnica Lewis To: BdMtrFngr Subject: Re: Just wondering abt "grunge Date: Wednesday, October 02, 1996 2:49PM I seriously don't think that AIC and Nirvanna and SG sound anything alike. We should let our (our gen's) music be defined by "an old guy". I think grunge was just a convenient category to stick bands in who came from Seattle and bands who have tried to imitate them since. my opinion Monnica ---------- From: BdMtrFngr To: hairy eyeball Cc: Joe Cennamo; Aleko; Mark Miller; somms Subject: Re: Just wondering abt "grunge Date: Wednesday, October 02, 1996 1:19PM On Wed, 2 Oct 1996, hairy eyeball wrote: > On Tue, 1 Oct 1996, Joe Cennamo wrote: > > > I agree with most of what you said but I think you are confused if you > > think that there are no simalarities. > > Then what are these similairites. Tell me, how do AIC and Nirvana (for > instance) sound alike in any way? > Go on the street and go up to a old guy, you know a guy in his forties or something(my apologies to anyone on the list who is 40 or older), and play a tape of AIC and of Nirvana. To this guy, they are the same band. Then show the guy a picture of both bands and he will say they look grungy. Thank you ------------------------------ From: dbradsh@unity.ncsu.edu Subject: southeast sommsters ok, i dropped the ball..i forgot to post the tix for atlanta went on sale last saturday... there are still godd seats available...the show is NOT general admission...yippy! i've got one tix left...Jay, at UNC (toybox/lucks last match)...lost your address...youve got first dibs on it...let me know let ASAP... DD ******************************************************************************** Dee Dee Bradshaw-Autry "Be careful with me...I am fragile. Im a bitch babe...and Im on fire" Garbage http://www.infochase.com/ent/deedee/index.html "The shortest distance between two points may be a straight line, but the longest distance between them is `life'." SubG "Sleep tight for me...I'm gone..." Sound Garden ******************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: "Jennifer L. Kern" Subject: any bass lovers out there? Okay--I am new to the list and have been having MAJOR trouble posting anything to this address--so hopefully this will finally work. I just wanted to write that it's great reading everyone's responses and the only comment I have (or question I should say) is doesn't anybody love the bass? Come on, there has to be someone out there that gets chills everytime they hear the bass line on BIMH. Well, I have to say that I love DOTU. I have to agree that is definitely one of the best albums of the 90's. But then I have loved everything SG has put out. Okay, one more question. Does anyone know when tickets for the Seattle shows might be going on sale and does it help at all if you belong to the fan club? I heard rumors that many times they will let fan club members get tickets early or even receive tickets to private shows---just a rumor, don't know if it's true or not, but thought I would atleast ask. JEN ------------------------------ From: "Melissa U. Castillo" Subject: LA show... Can anyone tell me if there has been announced an sg show yet? thanx, melissa ------------------------------ From: Lauren Simonis Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 2 Oct 1996 It can't be that morbid because the song "Fourth of July" does the same for me. Lauren Simonis Naperville, Il ------------------------------ From: Lauren Simonis Subject: Re: *Grunge* EXACTLY! If you like Soundgarden, then who cares what they are except fucking awesome? On Wed, 2 Oct 1996, hairy eyeball wrote: > On Wed, 2 Oct 1996, ONE & ONLY ALI-G wrote: > > > > > > > Why try to lable SG as grunge or as anything??? Listen to the band for what > > they say...not because they belong to a certain category. > > > > enough said...... > > > Thank you!! > > -me > ------------------------------ From: Gonzo Subject: Re: Soundgarden Tickets for palace of Auburn Hills on sale Friday,Oct.4,96,5:00pm, Just want to make that clear. At 06:30 PM 10/2/96 -0400, you wrote: >Ticket for Soundgardenon nov.12 at the palace of Auburn Hills go on sale >Friday at 5:00pm. I heard this on the radio just now.So,I called Ticketmaster >and confirmed that info.Tixs go on sale Friday 5:00pm EST. >I plan on getting a ticket.Is anyone else going to this concert or am I the >only one?E-mail me,and maybe we can meet up somewhere for our very own >Sommsfest'96 >Gonzo-60hr working fool > > > ------------------------------ From: JOHN BRESNIK Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 2 Oct 1996 actually he wouldn't say anything. Pyscoanalysis involves only our dreams as a door to the subconscious. The subconscious exists without your knowledge (hence, the prefix "sub"-below). It would be my conjecture that you desire open space (unlike the forests of humboldt) and it has surfaced as a desire for fornication. My suggestion ---go out to Somoa (the northern side) and bask in the sand of serenity. p.s. say hello to everyone at toby and jack's for me. On Wed, 2 Oct 1996, Evelyn Buerger wrote: > Hi! This is my first posting....be gentle. > > I know this is odd but, listening to "Room a Thousand Years Wide" makes > my horny. Pretty morbid huh? What would Freud have to say about that? > > Kitti69 > ------------------------------ From: Heather E Jackson Subject: Re: soundgarden and life But I do want to say that the bittersweet sounds of Soundgarden > have been my salvation. > Can anybody relate? Yes, Jennifer..I know exactly how you feel..I won't elaborate for fear of others on this list perhaps not wanting to get into this "overly dramatic" dialogue, but I would love to share more with you, if want to e-mail me privately. Heather ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 262] ****************************************