From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 2 Oct 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 02:07:39 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Wednesday, 2 Oct 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Re: Thingy - my quest for yet MORE E-mail Poll - 12 questions Re: Just wondering abt "grunge Re: Kim dream Soundgarden and art Re: Thingy - my quest for yet MORE E-mail ...I 'm gone! Re: Just wondering abt "grunge Some provinces should outlaw peeling grapes RE: Soundgarden and art The Caped Crusaders Play Basketball While Dreaming in Europe Re: Kim dream fans stuff Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 1 Oct 1996 survey results STuFF Some interesting tidbits about Kim Boot Campers ...from his bones Tickets to Seattle shows ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Greg Bensimon Subject: Re: Thingy - my quest for yet MORE E-mail I guess I'll put my $0.02 as well... 1. Favorite SG song, lyrically -- Like Suicide 2. Favorite SG lyric(s) -- The second verse of Like Suicide, the thoughs going through his mind as he's about to drop the brick on the bird. 3. Favorite SG song, musically -- JCP, for its high-octane fury from start to finish -- Regards to 4th of July and Applebite for their originality 4. Favorite part of an SG song -- The solo in Reach Down... Does that count, being TotD? -- Otherwise, probably the solo in Like Suicide. In either case the solo is the catharsis, and there's almost a refreshed and re-energized feeling afterwards. 5. Favorite SG song -- JCP, without a doubt 6. Instrument -- Drums 7. Favorite all time lyric -- "I can't complain, but sometimes I still do" Joe Walsh (I know, kinda corny...) 8. Favorite all time song -- The live version of "Do You Feel Like We Do" from the Frampton Comes Alive album. The solo at the end always makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up, even after hundreds of listens. The only thing better is the first four songs off BMF, taken as a whole. But that would be four songs, not one... 9. Favorite SG Album -- BMF (see above) 10. Favorite Pizza Topping -- Crispy Bacon (from Ledo's) 11. Favorite Ice Cream Flavor -- Peanut Butter and Chocolate 12. Advice for Compiling the Response... -- In the words of Han Solo, "Better him than me." ------------------------------ From: clindz@wavenet.com (chris) Subject: Poll - 12 questions Favorite SG song lyrically: (tie) Drawing Flies / Big Dumb Sex Favorite SG lyric: "I had a dog, he was a mix, loved me like a god, though I was just a kid" Favorite SG musically: Ty Cobb Favorite part of a SG song: opening riff to Outshined Favorite SG song: Mailman Instrument: I am a bad guitar player Favorite All-Time Lyric: (tie) (1) "Climb in your old umbrella / does it have a nasty tear in the dome? / but the rain only gets in sometimes / and the sun never leaves you alone" - Jethro Tull, "A Passion Play" (2) "But, uhh..." - Jimi Hendrix, "Crosstown Traffic" Favorite All-Time Song: either "Land of Sunshine" by Faith No More or "Mother Goose" by Jethro Tull or "Angry Chair" by Alice in Chains or Anthrax's cover of Joe Jackson's "Got the Time"... the list is way too long and I'm an indecisive bastard. SG album: DOTU - there! I said it! Pizza topping: chicken & broccoli Ice cream: choc chip cookie dough Advice: keep careful records peace, chris * * * * * * * * * * "But, uhh...": Jimi Hendrix, "Crosstown Traffic" ------------------------------ From: hairy eyeball Subject: Re: Just wondering abt "grunge On Mon, 30 Sep 1996, Joe Cennamo wrote: > > Are you taking the piss? > > > > -me > explain??? OK, I'll explain. I'm just at a loss as to how anybody can sit there defending the validity of a musical form which never even existed. Grunge was just a word invented by music journalists for a load of bands that came from the same place. None of these bands had any real similarities, musically. I mean, would you say that Nirvana sounds like Alice In Chains or that Tad sounds like Soundgarden, for instance? Soundgarden are not a "Grunge" group at all, they just got roped into the whole sorry fiasco after Nirvana became popular - as did any other band that happened to come from Seattle. Even up to this day, nobody can really define what was the definitive "Grunge" sound. Some say downtuned riffing, but that's rubbish - a lot of Metal bands do that and have been doing so long before "Grunge" existed also, that definition would exclude bands like Nirvana or PJ who do not use such techniques in their music particularly. Yet others say its muddy feedback-infested noise, but that would exclude bands like Alice In Chains and Tad and music which sounds like this, again has been out long before the term was ever invented. Therefore, if a so-called form of music can't even be given a specific definition regarding its sound, then it can't actually exist!! All of these so-called "Grunge" bands were just rock bands (or some of them post-Punk) who just played their own unique form of Rock music (ie devioid of any popular cliches such as "Girls, girls, girls..." songs or "I worship Satan" songs and devoid of spandex). They never sounded anything like each other. The only thing they had in common was the fact that they came from the same place. That's all. If none of these bands became popular and the term was never invented, these bands would just be seen as rock bands. Any band could've come from Seattle and been labelled "Grunge", regardless of whatever music they played. So if you've been into SG all this time under the delusion that they were another one of those "cool as fuck" Grunge bands that have been so popular in the last few years, then you've been seriously mislead by the media. - -me ------------------------------ From: hairy eyeball Subject: Re: Kim dream On Mon, 30 Sep 1996, Geoff Kleemola wrote: > People keep mentioning dreams about Soundgarden, and it's not that > surprising, according to Freud. I'm taking a course on Freud, and I had > to read "The Interpretation of Dreams". Anyway, Freud's main idea about > dreams, is that, without exception, all dreams are fulfillments of > conscious or unconscious wishes. So, whether you know it or not, you > wanted to meet him. You _don't_even_want_to _know_ what Freud would say > about the ice cream cone. (although Shroom and some of the female > listers might) Incidentally, I've had 2 SG dreams myself. (No ice cream > cones, though) hehehe > Geoff, the psychoanalytic list member While I believe that some dreams have relevance or menaing, I'm not one of these people that has to attribute some sort of hidden or deeper menaing to eveything my subconscious mind throws up during my sleeping hours. Most of it you can't even remember anyway, and a lot of dreams are so silly or surreal, it seems pointless thrying to figure out what they mean. But there are people out there who have to devise a theory for every dream, every song lyric and every artist's piece of work - even though one can never hope to know how another individual perceives reality and therefore not know how their mind works. I'm not trying to get at you or anything, Geoff, so don't take the wrong idea about this, I'm just skeptical about stuff like this. That's all... - -me ------------------------------ From: majoc@indigo.ie Subject: Soundgarden and art Hello y'all! I got the themes for my art project yesterday. I know this may not _sound_ SG related but here they are: 1. My Bag (Yes, this was one of 'em) 2. My World 3. Rush Hour 4. Reflections and... 5. My favourite poem/song The minute I saw that last option, my mind just clicked... I have a chance to do an art project on SG! Work made into fun! Then I started thinking... Jesus Christ Pose... Anyhow, anyone else got any ideas? I've sort of reached a mental block as to what to do the project on, my choice is so huge! So... anyone got any SG songs they'd like to see made into an art project? A huge rusty cage with somebody stuck in it for a 3d model? Ideas! I need ideas!! Mo. <<"Sleep tight for me, I'm gone...">> -Chris Cornell, Tighter & Tighter ------------------------------ From: Heather E Jackson Subject: Re: Thingy - my quest for yet MORE E-mail I can no longer resist the temptation to do this.... > 1. Favorite SG song lyrically Like Suicide, The Day I Tried to Live, Drawing Flies, with honorable mentions going to 4th of July, and Fell on Black Days > 2. Favorite SG lyric(s) The first verse of Drawing Flies AND Buying Lies and Stealing jokes and laughing everytime I choke - Slaves and Bulldozers (as if you didn't know) > 3. Favorite SG song musically (overall sound) The Day I Tried to Live, Like Suicide > 4. Favorite part of an SG song (favorite guitar/bass/drum/solo riff, vocal > effects, etc.) The middle of Spoonman..it's just so much fun! > 5. Favorite SG song Burden in my Hand > 6. Instrument (if you play one . . . or you can just list your favorite/one > you'd like to learn to play/admire, etc.) I would love to learn how to play guitar! > 7. Favorite all time lyric "I adapt to the unknown, under wandering stars I've grown, by myself but not alone, I ask no one" Wherever I May Roam" - Metallica > 8. Favorite all time song The Unforgiven by Metallica > 9. Favorite SG album SuperUnknown -- The only CD where I don't skip more than one song, and still get an amazingly diverse collection of awesome music. I discover something new everytime I play it. > 10. Favorite pizza topping Bacon, Meatballs, Extra Cheese > 11. Favorite ice-cream flavor Chocolate-chip cookie dough > 12. Advice for compiling the responses to this thing :-) Good luck!!! Have fun! :-) Heather ------------------------------ From: Vassilis Theoharis Subject: ...I 'm gone! I have just unsubscribed but reading the last digit version (with tears in my eyes) made me really happy! Just 3 things and I 'm gone: 1) Badmotorfinger is for me not only the best soundgarden album but also the best album in the history of music, ever, 2) Screaming life is my second soundgarden choice, 3) I do not know 'blind dogs', so, if anyone can do it, please send me (out of the list) a small explanation and description. Keep on soundgardening... ------------------------------ From: Joe Cennamo Subject: Re: Just wondering abt "grunge > OK, I'll explain. I'm just at a loss as to how anybody can sit there > defending the validity of a musical form which never even existed. > Grunge was just a word invented by music journalists for a load of bands > that came from the same place. None of these bands had any real > similarities, musically. I mean, would you say that Nirvana sounds like > Alice In Chains or that Tad sounds like Soundgarden, for instance? > Soundgarden are not a "Grunge" group at all, they just got roped > into the whole sorry fiasco after Nirvana became popular - as did any > other band that happened to come from Seattle. Even up to this day, > nobody can really define what was the definitive "Grunge" sound. Some > say downtuned riffing, but that's rubbish - a lot of Metal bands do that > and have been doing so long before "Grunge" existed also, that definition > would exclude bands like Nirvana or PJ who do not use such techniques in > their music particularly. Yet others say its muddy feedback-infested > noise, but that would exclude bands like Alice In Chains and Tad and > music which sounds like this, again has been out long before the term was > ever invented. Therefore, if a so-called form of music can't even be > given a specific definition regarding its sound, then it can't actually > exist!! > > All of these so-called "Grunge" bands were just rock bands (or > some of them post-Punk) who just played their own unique form of Rock > music (ie devioid of any popular cliches such as "Girls, girls, girls..." > songs or "I worship Satan" songs and devoid of spandex). They never sounded > anything like each other. The only thing they > had in common was the fact that they came from the same place. That's > all. If none of these bands became popular and the term was never > invented, these bands would just be seen as rock bands. Any band > could've come from Seattle and been labelled "Grunge", regardless of > whatever music they played. So if you've been into SG all this time > under the delusion that they were another one of those "cool as fuck" > Grunge bands that have been so popular in the last few years, then you've > been seriously mislead by the media. > > > -me > > I agree with most of what you said but I think you are confused if you think that there are no simalarities. I don't think of them as a cool ban. If you could go to school with me and se the people thier, you would definatly understand that I like different music then they do. Someone just said that they were not a grunge band, If they are not grunge then what are they? joec ------------------------------ From: "Jack Parsons" Subject: Some provinces should outlaw peeling grapes Hi guys, I just got the Burden single a couple days ago!! Does anybody else not like Karaoke that much? On the upside, it is growing on me. The first time I heard it I didn't even listen all the way through. Bleed together is fantastic though. I also have the My Wave single, so the B.R. demo is not new to me. Just thought I'd share... Jonathan "Make no mistakes, I am what you make me." ------------------------------ From: Monnica Lewis Subject: RE: Soundgarden and art Fourth of July, Fresh Tendrils, Room a Thousand Years Wide, or Head Down would be good ones I think! :-) ---------- From: majoc To: somms Subject: Soundgarden and art Date: Tuesday, October 01, 1996 5:26PM Hello y'all! I got the themes for my art project yesterday. I know this may not _sound_ SG related but here they are: 1. My Bag (Yes, this was one of 'em) 2. My World 3. Rush Hour 4. Reflections and... 5. My favourite poem/song The minute I saw that last option, my mind just clicked... I have a chance to do an art project on SG! Work made into fun! Then I started thinking... Jesus Christ Pose... Anyhow, anyone else got any ideas? I've sort of reached a mental block as to what to do the project on, my choice is so huge! So... anyone got any SG songs they'd like to see made into an art project? A huge rusty cage with somebody stuck in it for a 3d model? Ideas! I need ideas!! Mo. <<"Sleep tight for me, I'm gone...">> -Chris Cornell, Tighter & Tighter ------------------------------ From: ADDC Where did that girl who was gonna make those forks head off to? vincent ------------------------------ From: mshaw@lib.occ.cccd.edu (Misty Shaw) Subject: The Caped Crusaders Play Basketball While Dreaming in Europe HOLY SHIT, BATMAN! SOUNDGARDEN'S COMING TO THE LOS ANGELES AND ORANGE COUNTIES! I am now happy to know where Soundgarden's shows are in my community. Now I have to wait for the announcement(or call beforehand) of ticket sales. Thanx to you members who e-mailed me recently, saying that the song "Blind Dogs" came from "The Basketball Diaries". Speaking of Leonardo DiCaprio, he's going to be in a modern movie version of Romeo and Juliet with Claire Danes. Hasn't this play been exploited enough? KROQ, a radio station in LA, has a contest this week--if you're the winning caller, you qualify for a drawing to see these bands in Europe: SOUNDGARDEN in Sweden SOCIAL DISTORTION in Switzerland THE CRANBERRIES in Italy PEARL JAM in Ireland in addition, you get CD's from all four bands! That's a cool prize, but the station is very popular and it's hard to get through on the phone lines! Lastly, in addition to all the SG dreams, I had one last night. Chris was at my house because he had a concert in my city that night. We had stimulating conversation at great length(I don't remember about what) and soon, we went outside. I had begun to ask about the other SG members--and it seemed that Chris read my mind, because next to Chris, Kim is my favorite SG member. He said, "Kim's kind of pissed today. It's not a good idea if you met him right now." So we made our way back to my house, and all of a sudden, all of these girls started bumrushing him, and Chris and I ducked into the house, trying to pry the girls off of him and push them outside the door. As I reflect upon this dream, I am reminded that Chris acted down-to-earth during the whole dream, and when the girls chased him he was calm and collected. Pretty weird for someone who hasn't met Chris Cornell before. ------------------------------ From: Paul Thompson Subject: Re: Kim dream So you know- it might not have been a vanilla cone. Whatever odd impression you have of me now, get it out of your depraved little minds. There you have it. And I do want some deeper meaning, if that can be provided. It was overcast. I think he was with a woman, maybe Shroom? Could that be the ice cream cone? - -- Paul beatnik@prairienet.org On IRC: HairPeace - -- "I'm writing a book. I've got the page numbers done." -Steven Wright ------------------------------ From: infinite Subject: fans stuff with all the talk of albums and favorites lately i thought i'd mention = something. i became an honest fan when the band released down on the = upside. i had heard them since badmotorfinger, but soundgarden never = really grabbed me until then. i have loved temple of the dog ever since = it came out (or whne i got wind of it), and liked seasons, but i have no = clue why soundgarden didn't do anything for me till now.. anyone else = like this? ------------------------------ From: DiMarrzio@aol.com Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 1 Oct 1996 i just got the uk burden in my hand single. at the end there is this great interview with Chris in Scotland or something. plus Bleed Together is an excellent song. any one agree with me? it gets me pepped up in the morning . as for my favorite album i would say it is SU all around. if i feel pissed at something a good dose of BMF will do me just fine. but i can listen to SU at anytime and thoroughly enjoy it. Blake ------------------------------ From: rea47935@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu (hasswipee) Subject: survey results First of all thanks for all of you who participated in this one. Second of all these results are not scientific at all. Even though most people filled the survey out pretty well, some people skipped questions or couldnt remember the answer to some questions, and some people were exempt from some questions (like asking seth how long he waited from the time he joined the list to the time he first posted :) ) Anyways I will keep you all waiting no more here are the results: 28 People Took Part in The Survey Question 1 Which of these Soundgarden videos have you seen? Here is the list of the videos and the number of people who have seen each: 1) Pretty Noose (either version) - 24 2) Black Hole Sun - 23 3) Burden In My Hand - 23 4) Spoonman - 23 5) Outshined - 20 6) Fell On Black Days - 20 7) Rusty Cage - 18 8) My Wave - 18 9) Hands All Over - 16 10) The Day I Tried To Live - 15 11) Jesus Christ Pose - 14 12) Loud Love - 13 13) Superunknown - 9 14) Flower - 2 (note to whomever is redesigning the video section of seth's page: might want to make movies of the ones at the bottom first) Question 2 As of right now, have you ever seen soundgarden in concert? And if you haven't, do you have tickets for any of the announced upcoming shows? Yes - 74% No - 26% Question 3 Can you play any soundgarden song on any instrument? If so, tell me which ones. (or just some of them for you guitar players that know like pretty much every song) Yes - 46% (including someone who can play some SG on the sax) No - 54% Question 4 Do you own all six (Down On The Upside, Superunknown, Badmotorfinger, Louder Than Love, Ultramega OK, Screaming Life/Fopp) of soundgarden's albums? Yes - 57% No - 43% Question 5 Approximately how long after you joined the list did you post your first message? The Approximate Time Between Joining the List and Posting a Message is: 7 days A couple of people who responded haven't even posted yet. Thanks to everyone who contributed and for you guys for reading it. Thanks to my parents for letting me crank soundgarden through the hours of the night, to my manager, the list, seth, and of course my portable cd player...this one's for you!! Raul, Hasswipee, Whatever http://pegasus.cc.ucf.edu/~rea49625/ CD's im obsessed with this week: R.E.M. - New Adventures in Hi-Fi, Rage Against The Machine - Evil Empire ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: STuFF >You _don't_even_want_to _know_ what Freud would say >about the ice cream cone. (although Shroom and some >of the female listers might) Yeah, I think that might be kinda interesting. ;-) I'd LOVE to hear what Freud would have to say about some of MY Soundgarden dreams. Heheheh... anyone else want to share any SG dreams? My mother actually had a SG dream the other night. Something about her freaking out on getting tickets for me for a show. Heheheh... yeah Mom, that's what you get for insulting Matt by saying that Tommy Lee is a better drummer. =P Oh, I found a SG boot the other day titled something like "Soundgarden... Live from Vermont." It was in a yellow digipak, and it had pictures from "Flower" on it. Mostly it was live stuff from Motorvision (Seattle, March 5th & 6th, 1992)... and a few regularly recorded tracks. Nothing I'm sure that most of us don't have. I thought it was funny, though... 'cuz "Hunted Down" was titled "Haunted Down," and JCP was "Jesus Christ Pope." I laughed like crazy, and people gave me weirder looks than usual. Oh well. Just thought I'd share that with you. You're welcome. I called Ticketmaster today in reference to the TX shows, but they don't have any information yet. I'll keep trying back every couple days, and as soon as I hear something, I'll post it. All the TX people who will be at either the Houston or Austin shows, please e-mail me. I'd like to meet up with as many of you as possible. I'll be at both shows. =) Speaking of e-mail... I THINK that I've managed to write everyone back. I hope, anyway. I deleted my personal filing cabinet, so all my old e-mail is gone. If you wrote me, and never heard back... feel free to drop me a note telling me what a bitch I am. =) I'll get back to you ASAP. Sorry about all that peoples... I swear, I'm getting better. I'm FINALLY getting another multiport for my computer tomorrow (I had needed a replacement part... who says that IBM is a superior company?!?). You people are probably like "Shroom... who gives a flying rat's bootie about your computer?" Well, I need that multiport to digitize pictures, and when I get it tomorrow... the first picture I'm gonna digitize is one of Chris and his mommy. =) Keep your eyes out kiddie... Mom Cornell is on her way to the web page. Ain't it exciting? Heheheh... Shroom Red Haired Devil-Hootchie, Proud member of the Kim Thayil Mercenary Squad, and Seattle-bound-obsessed-SOMMS-psycho (See you in October Chris, Kim, Ben and Matt!!!) ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... *** Chris Cornell "Shroom, I hope you don't mind... but I'm going to get you terribly drunk, and then take you back to my place for some naked Twister. Susan says she'll take the pictures and do all the spinning. Don't forget to bring the whipped cream." ~ Chris Cornell (Words not necessarily said in that order...) <~~~ my disclaimer And I don't CARE if Ben Timberlake thinks that Chris has ever used the word "amenities," dammit. =) (Love ya, Ben!) I like this quote: "My Porsche is a deluxe model. It has all the amenities... not to mention RECLINING leather seats. Hey Shroom, wanna go for a... ride?" ~ Chris Cornell (Words not necessarily said in that order...) <~~~ my disclaimer ------------------------------ From: vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu (Vasant Ramamurthy) Subject: Some interesting tidbits about Kim Hey all! I was in a bookstore over the weekend, and I was looking through the book "Soundgarden" by Chris Nickson. (Unfortunately, I didn't have enough $ to buy it :-( Anyway, I picked up 2 facts about Kim that I didn't know before. - ----Kim was actually born in Seattle, moved to Park Forest, IL when he was 3 or 4, and actually lived in India for a short while (I'd always thought he was born in Illinois itself) - ----Kim himself says he did drugs as a teenager (This I find very interesting, since the majority of Indians don't do drugs) Don't get mad at me if you already knew these things. I'm just trying to be helpful. :-) Non SG: Does anybody know what type of music Grant Lee Buffalo is? Please e-mail me if you know. Vasant - -- ****************************************************************************** THE REFUGE OF THE DAMNED - Check out lots o' music stuff here!! http://ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu/~vman/me.html vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu "When new damage comes, it's a new word for plague, a new world order, a new word for hate" - New Damage - Soundgarden ------------------------------ From: UnknMan@aol.com Subject: Boot Campers I've decided to get back into some intense tape trading so if anyone wants to trade send me a list. I'm interested mainly in getting Soundgarden but if you don't have anything from them send me your list anyway. Maybe we can still work out a trade... I have a pretty wide music listening range. Contact me off-list of course. Has anyone heard of a date for the 'BUtOW' single to hit radio (for those that aren't already playing it) or when the vid will be released? 'Burden' has been way overplayed according to my radio-listening / MTV-watching friends so hopefully A&M will hurry & get the new single out there... We have an album full of radio-friendly songs so I'm hoping we get some airplay from more than a few songs (ie Superunknown from which I've heard of 8 songs being played the radio.) ray (c: ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: ...from his bones I was just reading through the mailing list archive (aren't holidays grand?), when I noticed an old old thread asking whether kim has ever been involved in the making of muzak. it made me think of a quote from kim which, in light of that thread, is pretty funny - "if soundgarden were played in elevators, more people would take the stairs". just thought I'd share :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Aldrich Subject: Tickets to Seattle shows Since for the last week I have been behind on the ol' digests I would greatly appreciate it if someone could E-Mail me when the date is announced that tickets go on sale. BTW What show(s) are you planning on going to if you're going to a Seattle show? I'd like to go to both, but I don't know if that'll be possile. ---Ryland _*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* If this isn't making sense, it doesn't make it lies... _*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_ aldrich@nwlink.com ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 261] ****************************************