From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 1 Oct 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 01:38:19 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Tuesday, 1 Oct 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Re: SU vs BMF vs DOTU SG/Hype documentary seeing SG Re: Just wondering abt "grunge Re: Kareoke tour Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 30 Sep 1996 RE: Thingy - my quest for yet MORE E-mail RE: Thingy - my quest for yet MORE E-mail Re: Just wondering abt "grunge Re: Hype! Re: Thingy - my quest for yet MORE E-mail SU being #3 Re: Re(2): Knight of the soundtable every word I've said is what I mean... Re(2): Knight of the soundtable Kim dream kewinkiedink Re: Kim dream tickets #15 goes to...and #16 Blow Up The Outside World ------------------------------------------------------------ From: billo@artnet.net (Bill O'Neil) Subject: Re: SU vs BMF vs DOTU << TOTAL totals: (given this choice of albums) 70% prefer BMF, 16% prefer DOTU and 14% prefer SU.>> ;-( This is my first post. I couldn't help myself. I've been a fan since Louder than Love. Superunknown is a masterpiece. Their best. Down on the Upside, might surpass it upon further listening. These two albums are mature and plush where BMF is exactly what those initials stand for (that's a good thing). BMF rocks harder, but doesn't continue to reveal new and interesting things the way their two most recent albums do. If I'm still listening to Soundgarden in 20 years, I'll be reaching for either of their last two albums, I think. Bill O'Neil Venice, Ca, USA A Martini isn't a drink -- it's an art form. ------------------------------ From: Malvol7@aol.com Subject: SG/Hype documentary Sorry if this has already been posted...HYPE, the documentary on the Seattle Scene will be in the theaters on December 8th. ------------------------------ From: kjm@mtool.com (Karen Monoker) Subject: seeing SG I am going to see SG at the Patriot Center on Nov 20, woo hoo! Anyone else? ------------------------------ From: slurpee Subject: Re: Just wondering abt "grunge On Fri, 27 Sep 1996, Joe Cennamo wrote: > Soundgarden is from Seattle, thaey were on a major label before Nirvana, > so they are grunge. They were grunge before grunge was popular though. > Kurt Cobain hated the way grunge was esposed, It is one of the major > reasons he killed himself. Grunge died when dc talk went from rap to > grunge. It doesn't take a genius to figure out grunge was a big trend of > the early 90's. and it doesn't take any one much smarter to see that that > trend killed it. I still like it though, I plan to stay grunge forever, I > never grew out of it never will. > Are you taking the piss? - -me ------------------------------ From: slurpee Subject: Re: Kareoke On Sun, 29 Sep 1996, Heather E Jackson wrote: > I have that CD-rom..and I love that interview with Chris and Kim!! As for > Karoake...It really isn't high on my list of favorite SG songs, and the > sound quality is terrible. (is that just Launch, or my copy?) I heard "Karaoke" for the first time when I bought the single last week and I loved it!! That twisted, offbeat melody literally *makes* the song!! My 2 cents. - -me ------------------------------ From: infinite Subject: tour anyone else think it's unfair that sg is skipping yer neck of the woods while some places get more than one show? ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 30 Sep 1996 Ang wrote: > And while I'm at it, I have to say I've been a little disappointed in this > DOTU vs BMF vs SU thing we've got going here. It's been very interesting, > believe me. But I'm disappointed in learning that I seem to be in a > minority. That is, SU is my favorite album. I can't believe this rates at > the bottom for most people. I felt like crying after I got Kathie's (thank > you - awesome job!) survey results: > > << TOTAL totals: (given this choice of albums) > 70% prefer BMF, 16% prefer DOTU and 14% prefer SU.>> ;-( > Actually I wouldn't take these results too seriously because it was a pretty small sample considering the size of the list, and then the size of the SG following outside the list (although I do think they would probably translate pretty closely to a larger sample). Really, who cares what other people like (I think the thing I've actually listened to the most, all told, is the Flower EP). If it gives you pleasure to listen to it, that's all that matters. Kathie ------------------------------ From: Monnica Lewis Subject: RE: Thingy - my quest for yet MORE E-mail here's my answers ---------- From: The Guitarist-2001 To: somms Subject: Thingy - my quest for yet MORE E-mail Date: Saturday, September 28, 1996 3:49AM 1. Favorite SG song lyrically Rusty Cage 2. Favorite SG lyric(s) Rusty Cage, the whole song :-) 3. Favorite SG song musically (overall sound) Blind Dogs 4. Favorite part of an SG song (favorite guitar/bass/drum/solo riff, vocal effects, etc.) All, variety is good 5. Favorite SG song Fresh Tendrils, Blind Dogs and Like Suicide 6. Instrument (if you play one . . . or you can just list your favorite/one you'd like to learn to play/admire, etc.) Well, I wish I could play guitar 7. Favorite all time lyric Institutionalized - - Suicidal Tendencies 8. Favorite all time song Wow! I can't answer that. 9. Favorite SG album Badmotorfinger some days, Superunknown other days 10. Favorite pizza topping "Mexican" or "Taco Style" pizza 11. Favorite ice-cream flavor Double Fudge Brownie 12. Advice for compiling the responses to this thing :-) Have fun! Please respond . . . and wish me luck . . . ;-) . . . never done one of these before, so I thought I'd do everything at once . . . ;-) The Guitarist-2001 "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist" - The Usual Suspects Check out CORE - The Ultimate Site For Teens: http://members.aol.com/dczoner/index.html - Soundgarden=band of the month! (...any suggestions for a guitar page?) ------------------------------ From: ADDC Subject: RE: Thingy - my quest for yet MORE E-mail 1. Favorite SG song lyrically The Day I Tried to Live 2. Favorite SG lyric(s) Blind Dogs 3. Favorite SG song musically (overall sound) Outshined 4. Favorite part of an SG song (favorite guitar/bass/drum/solo riff, vocal effects, etc.) About 5 minutes into Searching With My Good Eye Closed, Chris screams out the terrifying "To the sky..to the sky!!!" part which always rocks me. I have never heard Chris get any higher pitchwise in my life. 5. Favorite SG song My top 5 would be (in no order): Blind Dogs ,Like Suicide (acoustic), The Day I Tried To Live,Ty Cobb, Seasons. 6. Instrument (if you play one . . . or you can just list your favorite/one you'd like to learn to play/admire, etc.) Well, I have always wanted to learn guitar. My fantasy is to play and sing SG tunes in front of my girlfriend to see the look of awe..yeah, that's it... 7. Favorite all time lyric Geeze...pretty much all of the Day I Tried To Live man. That at times feels like an autobiography. Its like after all the shit of getting out and interacting with the world in that song..he ends it with "I should've stayed in bed.." Damn it I love these guys. 8. Favorite all time song Toughy. Um how's about...Blind Dogs. That song sorta epitomizes what SG means to me. 9. Favorite SG album Superunknown. Hands down. Only 14 percent of y'all think this is their best album? Argh. I think this is the greatest album of the 1990's. 10. Favorite pizza topping Pepperoni. Can I have a cookie now? 11. Favorite ice-cream flavor Chocolate. 12. Advice for compiling the responses to this thing :-) Drink. Come on..be cool, just like Chris!! Vincent Varkey The University of Texas at Dallas ------------------------------ From: Joe Cennamo Subject: Re: Just wondering abt "grunge > Are you taking the piss? > > -me explain??? joec ------------------------------ From: Sachin Trivedi Subject: Re: Hype! Hey there, I saw Hype a couple of weeks ago here in Boston, and it was a pretty cool movie. There was a lot of soundgarden stuff in the movie. It's basically about the whole history of the Seattle scene. there's a lot of live footage from a ton of bands from that area from SG to Dead moon and Coffin Break. There's is one part where they cut to Sg playing in an arena somewhere and they go into searching with My Good eye closed. It was prety cool. so if you are into the whole Seattle scene, then you should definatley check this movie out. There's even interviews with Susan Silver. Later Sachin On Fri, 27 Sep 1996, Andrea Pinto wrote: > I heard on the radio that Hype! is going to be released in new york & > seattle. It's a documentary film about the seattle music scene & how > overexposed it became. It was shown at the seattle film festival this year. > It has alot of concert footage including Soundgarden plus tons of other > great bands like the Gits & the Fastbacks. There's also an interview with > Susan Silver. I thought it was definitely worth seeing-a real tongue in > cheek documentary. I think the soundtrack is coming out on oct 1st, but i > don't know who's on it. > > ...counting the days 'til Hater @ the OK-a. > > > ------------------------------ From: Sachin Trivedi Subject: Re: Thingy - my quest for yet MORE E-mail 1. Favorite SG song lyrically- Mind Riot 2. Favorite SG lyric(s)- I'm luck's last match struck in the pouring down wind 3. Favorite SG song musically (overall sound)- Like Suicide 4. Favorite part of an SG song (favorite guitar/bass/drum/solo riff, vocal effects, etc.) -Solo at the end of Like suicide 5. Favorite SG song- Hands All Over 6. Instrument (if you play one . . . or you can just list your favorite/one you'd like to learn to play/admire, etc.)- drums 7. Favorite all time lyric-Can't decide 8. Favorite all time song- Release- Pearl Jam 9. Favorite SG album- Badmotorfinger 10. Favorite pizza topping-Pepperoni 11. Favorite ice-cream flavor- Mint Chocolate Chip 12. Advice for compiling the responses to this thing :-)- Sorry Sachin ------------------------------ From: Fad Subject: SU being #3 > > << TOTAL totals: (given this choice of albums) > > 70% prefer BMF, 16% prefer DOTU and 14% prefer SU.>> ;-( > > Actually I wouldn't take these results too seriously because it was a > pretty small sample considering the size of the list, and then the size > of the SG following outside the list (although I do think they would > probably translate pretty closely to a larger sample). Really, who cares > what other people like (I think the thing I've actually listened to the > most, all told, is the Flower EP). If it gives you pleasure to listen to > it, that's all that matters. > > Kathie Well, I'd just like to give my support for SU. I was iniated to SG by a friend after the release of SU. I hadn't even heard of them! That album grew to be my favourite of all time, there are just so many kick ass songs on it. I have listened to BM, and I know I'll take slack for this, but I think it is a pale comparison to SU...to me it sounds like a completely different group. Black Hole Sun remains my 2nd fav song of all time...I know it was overplayed but it was my favourite song before all the hype. That song alone makes it the best album of all time. :) John. ------------------------------ From: Geoff Kleemola Subject: Re: Re(2): Knight of the soundtable The email address for the Soundgarden fan club is: sgfc@speakeasy.org On Mon, 30 Sep 1996, Josh Garza wrote: > > what is the email address?!?!?! becuz i mailed my money at the beggining of > summer!! rrrr > _________________________________ > gkleemol@callisto.uwinnipeg.ca,Internet writes: > They send out the welcome packages at the beginning of each month, so if > you are going to join send now to receive in mid-october. Email the > fanclub for pricing. It came out to over $20 Canadian for me to join. > Geoff > > > > > > -- > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > TeachNet, College of Education, University of Texas, Austin Texas > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: every word I've said is what I mean... On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 oponfam@cnsnet.com wrote: > And Blind Dog, I don't think BMF was the pinnacle at all, although it > may be seen as the "Glory Days". And some fans may never like anything > as much as they like BMF, but that's personal opinions, not necessarily that's true, kathie. when I said that badmotorfinger was the band's pinnacle (at least in terms of recording), it was totally personal opinion. probably no hint of fact at all :) > reality. Personally I don't think SG has been allowed to reach that > pinnacle, whether through their own fault or that of others. They are > certainly not "media darlings" and I think in many ways they have been > held back creatively, which may be why they chose to produce themselves. > If they continue to become more and more independent I think we'll see while I think bmf is certainly their best album to date, I also think that the band has better and more exciting work still to come. but as for the band not being independent enough, I have to disagree. to me, the creative control held by all the members of soundgarden has never been in doubt. from the moment soundgarden was formed, the four band members have held almost total control over just about every facet of their work and evolution, as both musicians and as a band. this is a band who, while being courted by almost every major label in the business, decided *not* to jump straight from sub pop into the major's, but held off and signed with sst, a relatively smaller label but one which the band felt could serve their audience better. I'm not sure that being "media darlings" would have ever helped or hindered the band's independence or success at all, especially a band like soundgarden who are fairly indifferent to either mainstream success or media recognition. this is a band who, much to the distaste of both label management and a certain former bass player (ever notice that on the flower ep, the only one who isn't looking at the sun is hiro?) included big dumb sex on their first release under a&m; toured on the much maligned lollaplooza 96 with metallica, took part in molsongate (to many lister's chagrin), recorded songs like 665, 667 and one minute of silence all on the same record, have made both cop killer and big bottom staples of past shows, decide completely what artwork and even *ad copy* is produced, participated in very different side-projects (hater, totd, pigeonhed, etc), and while it took two ep's and four albums for the band to take full production responsibilities for themselves, you have to remember that they have had production credits for every record since ultramega ok, and have always chosen their producer themselves with little outside or management input. overall, I think soundgarden have had time to adjust to the limelight they are now receiving because they took the long road to success, and weren't in a rush to sell a million records or get on the front of entertainment weekly. the band have stayed true to themselves, retained real control over all artistic elements of their work and have not compromised for anyone. where in that did you perceive that the band has been held back creatively or otherwise kathie? ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Josh_Garza@teachnet.edb.utexas.edu (Josh Garza) Subject: Re(2): Knight of the soundtable what is the email address?!?!?! becuz i mailed my money at the beggining of summer!! rrrr _________________________________ gkleemol@callisto.uwinnipeg.ca,Internet writes: They send out the welcome packages at the beginning of each month, so if you are going to join send now to receive in mid-october. Email the fanclub for pricing. It came out to over $20 Canadian for me to join. Geoff - -- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- TeachNet, College of Education, University of Texas, Austin Texas - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: Paul Thompson Subject: Kim dream I had a weird dream I met Kim Thayil outside the Tastee-Freeze in DeWitt, Iowa. I was like, "You're Kim Thayil from Soundgarden!" and he was like, "Yeah." I said, "Cool." and kind of walked away. It was just really weird. I think he ordered a vanilla cone. Any deeper meaning from this dream would be helpful. It seemed to me just acting like he was another guy was something he had said somewhere down the line that he appreciated. - -- Paul beatnik@prairienet.org On IRC: HairPeace - -- "I'm writing a book. I've got the page numbers done." -Steven Wright ------------------------------ From: Minerva657@aol.com Subject: kewinkiedink In a message dated 96-09-30 02:20:18 EDT, you write: >Lolla (irvine meadows, last show of the tour) and they opened with >Spoonman. a strange choice to be sure....closed with JCP....a religious >experience, pardon the pun...also, cj from the ramones accompanied the >boys on "ty cobb" after chris rambled on about how 'this was the kind of >song CJ inspired them to write' or something like that.. just wanted to say, hey man, i was at that show! did devo rock or what? :) ------------------------------ From: Geoff Kleemola Subject: Re: Kim dream People keep mentioning dreams about Soundgarden, and it's not that surprising, according to Freud. I'm taking a course on Freud, and I had to read "The Interpretation of Dreams". Anyway, Freud's main idea about dreams, is that, without exception, all dreams are fulfillments of conscious or unconscious wishes. So, whether you know it or not, you wanted to meet him. You _don't_even_want_to _know_ what Freud would say about the ice cream cone. (although Shroom and some of the female listers might) Incidentally, I've had 2 SG dreams myself. (No ice cream cones, though) hehehe Geoff, the psychoanalytic list member On Mon, 30 Sep 1996, Paul Thompson wrote: > I had a weird dream I met Kim Thayil outside the Tastee-Freeze in > DeWitt, Iowa. I was like, "You're Kim Thayil from Soundgarden!" and he > was like, "Yeah." I said, "Cool." and kind of walked away. It was just > really weird. I think he ordered a vanilla cone. Any deeper meaning from > this dream would be helpful. It seemed to me just acting like he was > another guy was something he had said somewhere down the line that he > appreciated. > -- > Paul > beatnik@prairienet.org > On IRC: HairPeace > -- > "I'm writing a book. I've got the page numbers done." > -Steven Wright > ------------------------------ From: Jeremiah Emison Subject: tickets Does anyone know when the tickets for Austin and Houston go on sale? I really don't want to buy scalper tickets. If anyone knows, I'd appreciate and e-mail letting me know. Thanks Jeremiah ------------------------------ From: Eric Gardner Subject: #15 goes to...and #16 Vasant Ramamurthy (type that three times fast). The winner of #14 has failed to contact me after 2 attempts on my part to get his/her shipping address. I think it is only fair, therefore, that Vasant have his pick of the Spoonman cd or the current offering. Whatever he declines will become the goods for #16. The NEW usual crap: email to enter, name drawn at random, the winner will be contacted by me and must reply with a shipping address within 5 days. Fair enough? Entries taken until Friday, 4 Oct. With the average number of entries pushing into the low forties now, my condolences to those who have entered repeatedly to no avail. Eric ------------------------------ From: "Greg Dunbar" Subject: Blow Up The Outside World Here's hoping that Blind Dogs is a B-Side for the BUTOW single. Still haven't heard it yet and I'm blown if I'm gonna spend $30 on a CD that I only want to hear 1 track off. - ------------------------------------------------------------- "Loosely or tightly Everything Fits Even The Wrist On Your Arm" Applebite - Soundgarden - -------------------------------------------------------------- GD - -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 260] ****************************************