From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 28 Sep 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 03:54:56 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Saturday, 28 Sep 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Re: One Metric Bevy of Topics: A Lurker Speaks Out! pouring down wind Re: Just wondering abt "grunge Re: Albums schmalbums Hatred of DOTU Re: More on Seth's tirade and various replies Re: Just wondering abt "grunge" Re: DOTU does not suck Re: DOTU does not suck Re: wooden jesus Re: Just wondering abt "grunge The Soundgarden experience explained... Re: The d-d-d-dotu d-d-d-debate The d-d-d-dotu d-d-d-debate dotu again (argh!!!) Re: More on Seth's tirade and various replies JCP Re: Hatred of DOTU About Dotu... DOTU first thoughts Priestesshood???? Re: More on Seth's tirade and various replies Hype! VARIOUS THINGS Re: Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 27 Sep 1996 Re: Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 27 Sep 1996 (Fwd) Returned mail: Can't create output: Error 0 tshirt MY THOUGHTS Re:tool covers... Re: wooden jesus Re: Just wondering abt "grunge SORRY I received a postcard from Chris Cornell (?) Re: Am I Mental? Re: Dotu vs. SU vs... Searching... DOTU RE: MY THOUGHTS Re: knights of the soundtable HOBBITS AND DEVIL BITCHES Re: Searching... Re: covers... Fwd: Re(2): Knight of the soundtable Re: knights of the soundtable SG videos Re: SG videos Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks Re: Dotu vs. SU vs... Re: oh yeah... Thingy - my quest for yet MORE E-mail Re: JCP everybody's got something to hide... my humble opinion Re: AM I MENTAL? ------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Helsley, Scott" Hey, since SG has recorded 2 excellent songs named after people (Ty Cobb and Kyle Petty son of Richard) that kind of capture the attitudes of those individuals, I thought maybe they could re-release "big dumb sex" and call it Joey Buttafuco (spelling ??). Do you think that would be appropriate? What do you think, Scott ------------------------------ From: Aleko Subject: Re: One Metric Bevy of Topics: A Lurker Speaks Out! On Wed, 25 Sep 1996, chris wrote: > Rap music: > Wouldn't wish death or racism or being called a racist on anyone, but the > words "rap" and "music" should never be used together - it's an oxymoron > like "jumbo shrimp" or "military intelligence." This is not to say rap > isn't a valid art form, there's just nothing "musical" about most of it, at > least most that I've heard - but I should check out the new Dogg Pound > before I say anything, huh? > I don't get the Dogg Pound comment. Rap is music by the way. I don't understand how it isn't. Because it uses samples, or turntables? You might not like rap or think it has any musical merit in general (unless you have heard every rap record ever made) but it is still music. People often say Metal isn't music, or "those noisy bands that's not music". I don't like Country music in general but it still music. > > New Wave Biscuit wrote: > >In fact, listeniing to most SG when you're stoned is cool > ** > > On the other hand, TYPING while stoned... > > Just for the record, listening to SG not stoned is also cool. In fact, > doing most things not stoned is also cool. Please don't flame me, I'm not > calling anyone a junkie or anything (you damn junk junkies on junk!), but > drugs don't add anything you can't get by having an open mind and an active > imagination (or by standing up, looking at the ceiling, and spinning around > really really fast). What New Wave Biscuit may have meant is that listening to SG stoned was even more cool then normal, which is true for some people but not for others. I tend to agree with him. > > Peace, > chris > > * * * * * * * * * * > > "Dope - you are what you smoke.": Frank Zappa > > Oh no Matt is a Dope :) > > "Rock n' roll doesn't have a soul, just a dick and a wallet" --- Kim Thayil ------------------------------ Subject: pouring down wind From: Ben Timberlake Well list, I'm kinda sad about the state of affairs on the list. I'm also back at school and sorta have to pay a lot of attention to school work. I'm gonna leave for a while. I don't know how long I'll be able to stay away. But, I'll miss hearing from a lot of you every day. Chicago show-bound sommsters, feel free to continue to communicate with me about meeting up. later. -- Ben p.s. Seth, please unsub me (note cc: saperl) "Feel the air now stumbling and wander in the moonshine" Ben Timberlake Why doesn't anyone Northwestern University believe in loneliness? Medill School of Journalism CUBS # 1479 ***btimlake@nwu.edu*** -30- http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~bft718 "Sure, sure. The music plays, the wheel turns . . . . . . and our spin ain't over yet." -- Paul Newman, "The Hudsucker Proxy" ------------------------------ From: Aleko Subject: Re: Just wondering abt "grunge Soundgarden is not "Grunge", and it's dead as in what is supposed to be "in" (who decides anyway?). Good music however will always be "in" and Soundgarden make plenty of that so there is nothing to worry about. "Rock n' roll doesn't have a soul, just a dick and a wallet" --- Kim Thayil ------------------------------ From: Aleko Subject: Re: Albums schmalbums Are you serious? I hope not. Soundgarden is great but so are many other musical artists. My CD collection will NEVER be complete because there will always be great music that i haven't got into. On Thu, 26 Sep 1996, Mo wrote: > I for one, love all soundgarden stuff. > In fact, I cannot think of any other CDs to buy except > Soundgarden ones. When I've bought Temple of The Dog, > it'll be all over. My collection will be complete (besides singles > and stuff). I will have no more CDs to buy until they come up > with a new album. In my opinion everything from Ultramega OK > to DOTU totally rocks and there is no band better in the whole > wide world. I say f**k the rest, SG are the best. > Anyhow... that's just my opinion... > and Jerry Garcia's Finger is not a waste of money! It rules > no end! I listen to JGF just as much as I listen to JCP.... > um... maybe I'm going a bit overboard there... > But it's a cool instrumentel and let nobody tell you it's not! > > Mo. > > =="Sleep tight for me, I'm gone..."== > (Tighter and Tighter - Chris Cornell) > > http://indigo.ie/~majoc/ > majoc@indigo.ie > > > "Rock n' roll doesn't have a soul, just a dick and a wallet" --- Kim Thayil ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: Hatred of DOTU Seth wrote: > "Give some examples. Tell us which elements of which songs on DOTU > please you the most. Those who really like DOTU seem to be giving > reasons such as (and I'm paraphrasing here) "this is where the band is > right now" and "this is what the band wants to tell us right now" and > "DOTU is far more mature than their past work." > > Give me an example of a song on DOTU that's "more mature" than some of > their other work (note: you may not include "665->667," "One Minute Of > Silence," or "Big Dumb Sex" in your comparison :) ). I'm not saying > there "isn't* an example, I'm just saying I'd like to hear what you > think. I hate to say this, you being the list administrator and all, but this pissed me off. Are you saying that those of us who like DOTU are so shallow that we just say we like it because we are puppets of the band and our loyalty to them? Or are you saying that your feelings and reactions are the only valid ones? When DOTU first came out we had long discussions of the effect the music on this album has on us. The first time I listened to it (with headphones) I felt like I was high without drugs, floating, transcendent. And we had a whole thread about how people were feeling an almost subliminal, hypnotic effect from the music. Many described feelings of floating, being carried away by the music. Specific songs. We also discussed these, but I'll repeat some of what I like. Dusty - I cannot sit still and listen to this song, and it always makes me smile. I see this as the most positive SG song I've ever heard and it makes me happy. And as far as maturity, I think this is an example of Soundgarden's growing maturity. Blow up the outside World - I think this song is beautiful, with a great deal of depth and emotion. Applebite - I always get a creepy feeling when I listen to this song. The feel is so hypnotic and eery; it reminds me of the theme of a horror movie. This song has a way of creating that floating feeling. Tighter & Tighter - Another song I consider a more mature song, and one I am still trying to figure out. I love songs that are ambiguous like this, I spend alot of time daydreaming about their meanings. No Attention - Maybe not a great song, but I love it because its "in your face", more so even, I think, than Ty Cobb. Overfloater - Another one of my favorites, and another one I'm still trying to figure out. In fact I've had personal email discussions about the meaning of this one. Also another very hypnotic song. I always kind of lose myself in it. These are my favorites on the album, but there isn't one song I hate. Actually, if I'm REALLY listening while I'm driving its hard to concentrate on my driving because I think the music is so intense and just pulls me in so deep. I REALLY LOVE THIS ALBUM! So don't think that just because you hate it that it isn't an absolutely awesome album. Kathie ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: Re: More on Seth's tirade and various replies Toni, you wrote: > I think another aspect no one has mentioned is that not only has the band > changed (age wise etc.) but also the listener. If you were 16 years old > when BMF came out. You had the luxury of time and emotion to really listen > to a piece of music and think that the song was written just for you and > your feelings at that given time. . We all have sat in our bedroom in our > teen years with a jewel case or album cover clutched in our hands as we > listened to our "favorite" band playing music that rocked our young souls. Brilliant observation! And to tell you the truth, it is that feeling you describe that I felt the first time I listened to DOTU - I felt like I used to when I was in my teens and got carried away by something musical. I sat there with this stupid smile on my face throughout the whole time. Must have been a sight to see - this not-young woman sprawled on the couch with headphones and a drunken smile on her face for over an hour! My husband says I was oblivious to the world. To recreate that feeling in a jaded adult is an amazing feat, and I'll be forever grateful to SG for having done it. Thanks, Toni, for more another example of your insightfulness. Kathie ------------------------------ From: slurpee Subject: Re: Just wondering abt "grunge" On Thu, 26 Sep 1996, Mark Miller wrote: > Does everyone think grunge is dead? I hate to use that word for > more reasons than I have the time to address but I think everyone knows > what I mean. It seems my big 3 (SG, SP, PJ) have gone more straight ahead > rock n roll. Of course I have never really considered PJ to be grunge but > that is starting a vicious circle with the previous sentence. Ah, > whatever nevermind I guess it is too hard of a question to answer. > I have a theory about Grunge anyway. It is thus. Basically, there was never any such thing as "Grunge". I mean, all that happened was that a bunch of bands (who all happened to come from the same place - ie Seattle), were suddenly getting recognition here and there, so some dumb music journo-types (the type tha ruin it for everyone), decided to give all these "Seattle bands" a collective name to make it easy for their poot little barins to keep up. This nickname just so happened to be "Grunge", and any bands that came from Seattle, no matter what they sounded like, were termed as such. Look at the so called main "Grunge" bands from the area (ie SG, AIC, PJ & Nirvana) do they sound anything like each other at all? The answer is no. There may be similarities between one or two, but that doesn't constitute the need for such a generalistion. So how do a load of bands that sound nothing like each other get grouped into one single category and named? If Cannibal Corpse (Death Metal band for those of you who do not know) came from Seattle, they'd be called "Grunge" as well. If Queensryche (who are from Seattle" formed six years ago - they'd be called Grunge as well. See my point? The only real "Grunge" bands were the plagarist bands like STP, Bush and Silverchair. Yes, I know there are fans of these groups on here, but this is just my *opinion* so no flames, OK? Anyway, the reason I consider those to be Grunge and no others is because they deliberately set out to sound like all the popular Seattle bands. Most of the music from that area was either post-Punk (ie Nirvana, Sonic Youth etc) or just a new kind of Rock music (ie PJ) and in the case of Alice In Chains, a new form of very twisted Metal (yes, I think AIC are more Metal than anything else). That's just my theory anyway. I'm sure most have a similar theory to mine, but I just thought I'd share it anyway. Thank you for listening. - -me ------------------------------ From: slurpee Subject: Re: DOTU does not suck On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 dbradsh@unity.ncsu.edu wrote: > > and while i am here...why attack people for disliking songs that you > like? I've never done anything of the sort. When did I ever "attack" somebody for not liking a song I liked!? I may have said "...I like that song!!" when someone said something about it, but it wasn't an attack. Others have done it as well, so what's your point? > it is all subjective..everything in music is subjective...in other > words my opinion and your opinion are going to vary greatly and as fellow > fans we should respect others opinions, listen to those opinions and god > forbid learn something from them rather than disecting them... Yeah, yeah... ------------------------------ From: slurpee Subject: Re: DOTU does not suck On Thu, 26 Sep 1996, seth wrote: > Wake up and grow an opinion. The only reason I haven't written en essay about what qualitites I like in all SG albums yet is simply because I just... can't be bothered. Simple as that really, not because I don't have an opinion. So, I won't assume to know why you don't like DotU as long as you don't assume to know why I haven't written an entire thesis on what I like about all the SG albums. - -me ------------------------------ From: slurpee Subject: Re: wooden jesus On Thu, 26 Sep 1996, alexander ebora wrote: > > i was pondering on what the lyrics of wooden jesus by TOTD meant...i can't > seem to understand what CC (or whoever wrote the lyric) meant or want to > imply on the chorus especially on the line "i'll cut you in on 20 percent of > my future sin"...should i take the lyrics literally or does it have a more > "symbolical" meaning?. > > could someone help me on my question? To me, the songs seems to be against organised money-grabbing religious groups and cult activities etc... - -me ------------------------------ From: slurpee Subject: Re: Just wondering abt "grunge On Fri, 27 Sep 1996, Aleko wrote: > Soundgarden is not "Grunge", and it's dead as in what is supposed to be > "in" (who decides anyway?). Good music however will always be "in" and > Soundgarden make plenty of that so there is nothing to worry about. Well said!! - -me ------------------------------ From: slurpee Subject: The Soundgarden experience explained... On Wed, 25 Sep 1996, seth wrote: > Give some examples. Tell us which elements of which songs on DOTU > please you the most. Those who really like DOTU seem to be giving > reasons such as (and I'm paraphrasing here) "this is where the band is > right now" and "this is what the band wants to tell us right now" and > "DOTU is far more mature than their past work." Well, seeing as everybody has expressed why the like/dislike certian albums, I feel that its only fair that I do so as well (as I've hada lot to say on the subject). I really couldn't be arsed before, but here goes... *deep breath* SCREAMING LIFE I like this little EP a lot. When I heard the first track "Hunted Down" for the first time ever, my draw almost dropped. It really gets you in the right frame of mind for the rest of the EP. I don't like the way it ends, but its a cool song. In fact, all the songs on there are really good. Soungarden have a knack for writing some of the most unusual and unique music you'll ever hear, that's one of the things I like about them so much. The only song I don't like on here is "Hand of God", which is one of my least favourote SG songs. To me it just sounds... boring. I think "Little Joe" is cool, though (I remember someone saying they didn't like it). Every time I hear it, it makes me chuckle. :) FOPP "Kingdom of Come", definitely one of the *best* Soungarden songs, I just LOVE that riff!! Whenever I play this EP, I usually repeat this song a couple of times first before moving on. "Swallow..." is alright and Fopp is entertaining and amusing. Again, when I heard it for the first time, it made me laugh a little. This band has a great sense of humour!! ULTRAMEGA OK The most "raw" sounding album, IMHO - its just full of full on very raw, very dirty, down-to-earth, honest-to-God Rock tunes. But not ordinary Rock tunes, though, but Rock tunes played the Soundgarden way. The songs that really do it for me on here are "All Your Lies", "Beyond the Wheel" (a CLASSIC SG track), "Head Injury", "Circle of Power" (another funny track) and "Incessant Mace" (in rounds the album off nicely as the last proper "song"). LOUDER THAN LOVE My favourite album of the lot!! I just love EVERY track on here (just about). The only song that I really don't like all that much is "No Wrong, No Right". "Ugly Truth" is a really cool opener, "Uncovered" just has this sound to it... I don't know what it is, but something about it makes it sound so... good and I love the lyrics!! "Full on Kevin's Mom" is one of my favourites on there, though, along with "I Awake" (that riff is awesome - really powerful and emotive), "Get on the Snake" (that song always makes me feel happy for some reason - and I love that awkward riff) and my personaly favourite SG song of all time "Power Trip" which is just the best song they've done ever (IMHO). The reason this is my favourite album is because its straightforward (compared to their alter, more dynamic and vaired stuff), but still very complex - and for some reason, it makes me feel really happy - especially when I hear a riff or a line in a song that I really like!! BADMOTORFINGER I could never get on with the production quality with this one at first... I don't know why, I just couldn't, but I've gotten used to it. I didn't like the way the bass seemed to be too "twangy" on some of the songs, and the overall sound had a "muted" quality about it, but as you get drawn into the hypnotic soundscapes of the album and get into it fully, you realise that it sounds that way for a reason. "Rusty Cage" has an awesome ending, I think - someone on here said something about SG thorwing a lot of "curve-balls" in their songs and doing unexpected twists and turns, well with "Rusty..." you're not expecting it to slow down the way it does and its amazing. My favourite songs on there though are "Slaves and Bulldozers" (it hs a definite groove to it and the way the riffs work with the sound of the overall song is amazing), "Searching With My Good Eye Closed" (it sounds really ambient and atmospheric), "Face Pollution" (I like that bit just coming up to the chorus where it goes really off-beat and you get the awkward time-changes and everything - - again, one of the things I love about this band is the way they do stuff like that really well) and the songs "New Damage" and "Holy Water" just seem to speak to me almost (its really good when songs seem to do that). "Mind Riot" used to be one of my favourites, but it definitely has some of the best lyrics on the album, and "Drawing Flies" is another one with a cool groove that literally pulls you into the song instantly. Its almost magnetic. Badmotofinger, to me is a very powerful and moving album. SUPERUNKNOWN I agree with many about the proudction sound being "flat" on this record - - it had potential. But its still a very, very good album. Some of the songs on there are beautifully melodic, hypnotic and nothing short of stunning. "Head Down", "Limo Wreck" (which I love to bits), "Fourth of July" (when I heard that severely downtuned riff, my jaw fell on the floor - its such a dark and moving song with one of the best lyrics on the album - the bit about the Roman candle), "Superunkown" (which has a trippy and almost retro sound to it in places), "My Wave" (some of the best lyrics on the album and one of the best riffs) and "She Likes Surprises" (another one of Soungarden's trademarked unusual tunes, and that main riff that carries the verses reminds me of a twisted playground tune played on a guitar). I've heard this album so many times now that I rarely listen to it as much as I used to, and I just have to skip "Black Hole Sun" and sometimes even "Spoonman" having heard both songs at least 9999,9999,999,999,999,999,000,000,000,00 on MTV and elsewhere. DOWN ON THE UPSIDE Miles better tha SU easily, I reckon!! It's Soungarden bearing their souls (as someone said), wearing their hearts on their sleeves - its the band finally opening up after all these years. Songs like "Dusty" (I agree with Kathie, its one of my very favorite SG songs of all time), "Zero Chance", "Ty Cobb" (has this really energetic "Don't give a fuck" feel to it - and the mandolin/banjo thing is really cool), "Never Named" (another song that makes me smile - it reminds me of something that they'd write pre-BMF for some reason and I don't care what anyone says, but I love that chorus!!), followed by the chilling "Applebite". "Never The Machine Forever" has to be one of my biggest favourites on the album though - it's that awkward riff thing again and, as I said earlier about another song, this one seems to speak to me on some level(!). "No Attention" one of the most fast paced songs on there and another one of my favourites - I don't know how anybody can not like this song, but we're all different I suppose. "Overfloater" is awesome and it does remind me of floating away somewhere and the lyric "I'm here and then I'm gone/I'm there and far beyond/And nothing's gonna pinch this nerve of mine..." is one of my favourite lyrics on the album. "Boot Camp" and "An Unkind" are really cool as well. So that's what I mean when I say I like all their albums equally (despite having favourites). They all knock you back in completely different ways because they're so unique. They're so different from one another, that there seems like little point comparing them. This is the Soungarden experience ; when you can get really drawn into the rawer, more basic Rocky earlier stuff and get pulled in with the same level of intensity to the more mellow and more diverse/experimental songs on the more recent albums. It's like one big sonic trip. Playing a SG album is much like putting on a Virtual Reality headset - it draws you into another world - and each "world" is different from the last, and when you're a fan, you can't help being literally sucked into the songs. So the bottom line for me is that, as long as they continue to make music as unique and as inspired as they have been from day one, they'll always be one of my favourite bands. Its just what the music does for me and not "blind love for everything they've put out" (as Seth suggested). There. I hope this gives my contributions a bit more background (it took me long enough to write it). - -me PS I do apologise for any typos - I can never be bothered to correct them. It takes too long, and its not as if I'm writing an important letter for some big job or anything!! :) ------------------------------ From: slurpee Subject: Re: The d-d-d-dotu d-d-d-debate On Fri, 27 Sep 1996 overfloater@thenexus.com wrote: > Well, I've been reading all your posts and I thought I'd throw my > birdseed in. I love DOTU. I love all the Soundgarden albums. My > favorites, however, are the last three. (I guess you could say I'm one > a them new school Soundgarden fans.) To me, there's nosuch thing as an "Old School" or "New School" of fans in any music or for any band. People just create this ridiculous caste system so they can feel superior to others. Basically, you're just a Soundgarden fan and that is that!! :) - -me ------------------------------ From: overfloater@thenexus.com Subject: The d-d-d-dotu d-d-d-debate Well, I've been reading all your posts and I thought I'd throw my birdseed in. I love DOTU. I love all the Soundgarden albums. My favorites, however, are the last three. (I guess you could say I'm one a them new school Soundgarden fans.) I can't pick between them, truthfully. They just all really appeal to me. I realize everyone can have their opinions, but it's kinda disenheartening to read that not too many people like DOTU for some reason. I love songs like Rusty Cage and Slaves and Bulldozers; I once lived for those twelve songs on Badmotorfinger. But I also really like songs like Rhinosaur and Fresh Tendrils and (teehee) Overfloater and Zero Chance and Fell On Black Days and.. hmm, I could go on and on :> I daresay I like Never Named!! :> Bleed Together and Karaoke, along with Kyle Petty, are my favorite B-sides. We all have different tastes. I realize why some of you might not like DOTU, but I love it. I loooooooooooove it. :> This is what Soundgarden has to say to us right now, as Caryn (I think, so sorry if I'm wrong) said, and Badmotorfinger was what they had to say four years ago. I don't know what the hell I'm getting at, but I love Superunknown and Down On The Upside :> ..overboater ps. What about Never The Machine Forever? It seems to me a lot of people overlook that. That coulda gone on Badmotorfinger or maybe even Ultramega OK. If Kim wrote an album you'd all have your Badmotorfingery Soundgardeny sound back :> Which wouldn't be bad, except I love what they've done recently too. ------------------------------ From: infinite Subject: dotu again (argh!!!) for the guy who said people were bashing DOTU because of that stupid = guy, no not at all.. i seriously doubt it makes any difference to anyone = on here what he thinks, and i have faith in these people to have enough = of a mind of their own to make opinions and voice these w/o them being = changed by a single message ------------------------------ Subject: Re: More on Seth's tirade and various replies From: tonerkin@usa.pipeline.com (Tonerkin) On Sep 26, 1996 22:33:01, 'oponfam@cnsnet.com' wrote: >I don't think BMF was the pinnacle at all, although it >may be seen as the "Glory Days". And some fans may never like anything >as much as they like BMF, but that's personal opinions, not necessarily >reality I think another aspect no one has mentioned is that not only has the band changed (age wise etc.) but also the listener. If you were 16 years old when BMF came out. You had the luxury of time and emotion to really listen to a piece of music and think that the song was written just for you and your feelings at that given time. . We all have sat in our bedroom in our teen years with a jewel case or album cover clutched in our hands as we listened to our "favorite" band playing music that rocked our young souls. So that person that was 16 in 1991 will be 21 in the five years when DOTU came out. There is a huge difference in those two ages. A 21 year old may have a job or college with more responsiblities different emotional responses that may not allow the intense listening experiences. Does that make any sense??? I mean look at Beach Boy concerts( Seth , please don't kick me off the list for mentioning the BB on the Somms list please) there are all these old guys that come out every summer. Why? to relieve that carefree summer when they were teenagers and they got their first car and the fun they had listening to BB songs cruising the streets on a hot July night. It's recapturing a moment through music of their youth. So maybe those that think BMF is the definative SG album have a strong connection with the album due to a time and/or event in their lives that coincides with it's release or their intial hearing of it. Damn, I bet Kim would be proud of me for all this mumbo jumbo. toni ------------------------------ Subject: JCP From: "Shawn David Kennedy" I just have to say that few things compare to hearing and seeing Jesus Christ Pose live. I think that the band should open with this song for the rest of their career. It just overwhelms the senses. I didn't get a chance to see them at Lollapalooza (Michigan got stiffed), so I don't know what they've been opening with lately, but dammit, I like JCP as the first song! Anyone out there agree with me or am I just full of shit? ------------------------------ From: Nate Crosswhite Subject: Re: Hatred of DOTU At 09:29 AM 9/27/96 +0000, oponfam@cnsnet.com wrote: >Seth wrote: >> Those who really like DOTU seem to be giving >> reasons such as (and I'm paraphrasing here) "this is where the band is >> right now" and "this is what the band wants to tell us right now" and >> "DOTU is far more mature than their past work." >> I'm not saying >> there "isn't* an example, I'm just saying I'd like to hear what you >> think. > >I hate to say this, you being the list administrator and all, but this >pissed me off. Are you saying that those of us who like DOTU are so >shallow that we just say we like it because we are puppets of the band >and our loyalty to them? Or are you saying that your feelings and >reactions are the only valid ones? > Um, isn't there a third possibility? That Seth _really_ wants to hear why you like the album? And you told him! For what it's worth, I disagree with what Seth said. When people say things like "DOTU is more mature" they are defending the differences between it and the previous albums. When describing why they like the album, though, I think there have been plenty of specific examples from people on the list. Nate ------------------------------ From: jbellace@cosi.stockton.edu (John Bellace, Jr.) Subject: About Dotu... Hello everyone! I'm new to the list but not to the band (I've been in since BMF). All this banter about DOTU forced me to write in and explain why DOTU may be my favorite SG album. First, let me say I love all my Sg albums but I feel that some of Sg's most mucically and lyrically mature songs are on Dotu. Yes, there are some weaker punk tunes on there, but even they have a tightness to them that no other band out there could produce. I think that Chris has really developed his voice into a multi-dimensional talent - not just range and raw power, but tone, expressiveness to fit the themes, and better control. As far as the songs - "Zero Chance" and "Boot camp"" still give me chills when I listen to them - not just play them but REALLY listen to them. There's a depth of feeling there that I think is fuller than on previous albums. "Burden" was constatntly cranked in my car all summer until the radio started killing it, but you must admit the groove to that tune is phenomenally anything else out there. Plus, I just like the way Sg continues to evolve the way that THEY want to, because I' m just really sick of bands who do what is commercially acceptable or live in fear of losing respect from thei fans - On that note, anyone think we'll be hearing "Applebite" or "Boot Camp" on the radio anytime soon? Anyway, maybe I've made a case for the album and maybe I haven't but I'd just like to say many kudos to those fans who can admit that they don't like the album for intelligent reasons and vice-versa, and stand by their opinions. One of SG's greatest qualities is the intelligence of their work and you do the band justice... ------------------------------ From: "Miguel G. Vrolijk" Subject: DOTU I happen to find this going discusion on DOTU quite interesting ... When I first heard DOTU, I was very dissapointed. I was sorry that I bought it, and didn't listen to it for about two weeks. I was even thinking of returning it back to the store for a refund or a swap. But I gave it a chance anyway and now it's just growing on me, and now I can say that I love DOTU. I guess I approached DOTU with a BMF prejudice, since BMF was an instant hit with me, and still is...(BTW I was 23 at the time) Now, if anybody can help me fill in the lyrics of Overfloater, right after the first chorus. The best I came up is: ???? ???? ??? ????? ??? ???? ???? Drink it down and swallow hard and gaze Hold the potion up etc. etc. Miguel ------------------------------ From: Caimin.McGovern@isocor.ie Subject: first thoughts Hi all, this is my first post to what I have to say is one of the best lists around. Anyway, just a few thoughts and opinions. I really like DOTU, but not as much as SU. SU was the first SG album I bought (thanks to my friend Karen for pointing it out..), and it blew me away..every song was like, "wow..yeah"..not just the music, I really got into the lyrics.. DOTU is cool, there are a few songs on it that I say "hmmm" to, I dont Like boot camp, or never named, but IMHO Burden in My hand is one of the best songs I have EVER heard..and the line in BUTOW that goes "Id give in if it could at least be ours alone" is bloody excellent..how the hell did he get it to scan? I have also had switch opens going round my head for the last three weeks, not that thats a problem or anything.... All in all its a good album, but I wouldnt be too worried about the percieved change of direction the band is taking..someone said that all albums cant sound the same, and thats a simple but brilliant point. Look at metallica - I think LOAD is their best album...ok, its more commercial [as is dotu] but thats not necessarily a bad thing. Sometimes it does annoy me when I see little kids with SG or MA T-shirts, knowing that if BIMY or SPoonman or whatever hadnt been on MTV, they would never have heard of them, but hey - the more fans a band has the bette! r - except when it comes to getting concert tickets!! Unfort. SG arnt playing Ireland this time around...I had a dream that they were playing here on Feb 1st, and I even rang the dreamt venue just in case...no joy. I went to see them when they played the sunstroke festival here (sunstroke - thats a laugh - it pissed as usual.) Loads of kids making me feel very old, (Im 22), but I had the upperhand...CC sang Waiting for the Sun, and none of the kids knew it (probobly coz the Doors arnt in keeerang or spin or whatever..) just me and CC singing this song, and for one minute he looked right at me, and we sang the chorus together..I was there with my g/friend, but in that instant..... good gig, except I twisted my knee, but hey - thats rock-n-roll... anyway, thats enough form Ireland Where its raining again...incidentally, if there is anyone on the list from Ireland, give me a shout.. slan, Caimin. ------------------------------ From: iawake@ix.netcom.com (Chris (SGardnGrl)) Subject: Priestesshood???? Caryn, Nice webpage!...(www.nwlink.com/~clr/temple.htm) I must say that your choice of main frame picture was excellent! That particular picture is, and ALWAYS WILL BE my fav shot of Chris!! Congrats!!!! And I say that as I bow... Is he god-like or what?!!!! My home is a Temple in itself....walk in my front door...and bow to the same framed picture of C.C (poster size) that stares you in the face! NO ONE, NOT DARE ENTER MY HOME & TEMPLE, WITHOUT THREE BOWS TO LORD CORNELL HIMSELF!!!! Caryn, tell me.... how does one earn a sacred place in your C.C Temple to bare the proud name of 3rd priestess???? As you can see... I'd fit right in! Shroomgrlz, Cinnamongirl, and SGardnGrl!!!! I know it is my DESTINY!!!!!! SGardnGrl ;) ------------------------------ From: dbradsh@unity.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: More on Seth's tirade and various replies toni, i think you have an interesting point here...but, i do not necessarily agree i became interested in SG after hearing SU...and honestly, when i first heard SG on the radio i wasnt impressed...my first hearings of them were BHS and FOBD...neither of which i have ever liked..it took listening to someones CD and healing mailman and spoonman for me to open my eyes (ears) to them...from there i bought BMF and LtL...and it was with BMF and a few varous imports/boots that i really got into SG...every song on BMF touches me in some way... and 16/21 were a long time ago for me :) DD ******************************************************************************** Dee Dee Bradshaw-Autry "Be careful with me...I am fragile. Im a bitch babe...and Im on fire" Garbage http://www.infochase.com/ent/deedee/index.html "The shortest distance between two points may be a straight line, but the longest distance between them is `life'." SubG "Sleep tight for me...I'm gone..." Sound Garden ******************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: Andrea Pinto Subject: Hype! I heard on the radio that Hype! is going to be released in new york & seattle. It's a documentary film about the seattle music scene & how overexposed it became. It was shown at the seattle film festival this year. It has alot of concert footage including Soundgarden plus tons of other great bands like the Gits & the Fastbacks. There's also an interview with Susan Silver. I thought it was definitely worth seeing-a real tongue in cheek documentary. I think the soundtrack is coming out on oct 1st, but i don't know who's on it. ...counting the days 'til Hater @ the OK-a. ------------------------------ From: "mcinturff, dylan" Subject: VARIOUS THINGS I HAVE SEVERAL THINGS TO SAY: 1. I got tickets to D.C, and I'm planning on getting there early. Who's going to be there, what should I look for, etc. Also, who's opening? The Ticketmaster guy didn't know... 2. I know I was a bit harsh in my defense of DotU, and I want to clarify something. I like BMF, Superunknown, and DotU, and I personally don't have a favorite out of these three albums. I do have preferences about the sound/production of them, heavily favoring the natural sound of DotU, but the songs are OUTSTANDING on each album. Also, each album has stuff that I sometimes skip over. But I think Matt would agree with me that the drums sound great on DotU and they kind of sound like plastic buckets on BMF... 3. I don't like the stuff prior to BMF as much as BMF-on. This does not mean it's not good, but I feel like Ben is great and has been a great influence on the sound, songwriting, and feeling of the band. 4. Least favorite songs, 1991-present: New Damage, The Day I Tried to Live, Half, BUTOW. That soesn't mean they aren't great songs, they just don't ring MY bell like Drawing Flies, 4th of July, or Ty Cobb. Dylan ------------------------------ From: "Jennifer L. Kern" Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 27 Sep 1996 Hello everyone!! I'm new to the list and have to admit that this is a great idea. I loved reading everyone's comments and stories. Now maybe I am a little out of it, but I heard a rumor that SG is supposed to be doing a show sometime in December in Seattle (where I am from) Anyone know anything about this? I would appreciate any information. Well, like everyone else, I will have to put my few cents in and say that I love DOTU and I loved SU. I also loved Badmotorfinger, Louder than Love, etc..........Though I will always cherish their earlier albums, their last two ROCK!!! Just listen to the bass line on "Burden in my hand". How can anyone not be impressed? These guys are absolutely incredible and I know that anything they put out, will be music I will love. JEN ------------------------------ From: "R. Maney" Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 27 Sep 1996 paul faraguna: i agree that you cant say "matt is the greatest" but by the same token, you cant say any of the guys you mentioned are THE greatest. I do however believe that matt is one of the best rock drummers in history and that, to me, is not even debatable. To take your logic and turn it around, keith moon doesnt have the control or restraint of matt, ok, i was gonna list the drummers you named and think of something matt did "better" than them but now im pissed. fucking keith moon for god sake! keith moon has not recorded ANYTHING that could make you feel he was superior to matt. i'll give you peart, bruford (although i think bruford and matt are VERY similar), and even bonham but keith moon? Mr. Sloppy??? and once again, how do you even know how technical matt can get???? its like says lars ulrich is a better double bass drum player than matt. we'll never know will we. matt just doesnt feel SG needs a fucking extra bass drum. i can hear it now, right after chris says "...and i'll be here for good" in Boot Camp he goes "on the drums Mr. matthew cameron" and matt follows with a 15 solo a la "YYZ". whatever. you probably think that nuno and malmsteen are the best guitarists ever too. ok, that wasnt fair :) ------------------------------ From: "Jennifer L. Kern" Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 27 Sep 1996 Hello everyone!! I'm new to the list and have to admit that this is a great idea. I loved reading everyone's comments and stories. Now maybe I am a little out of it, but I heard a rumor that SG is supposed to be doing a show sometime in December in Seattle (where I am from) Anyone know anything about this? I would appreciate any information. Well, like everyone else, I will have to put my few cents in and say that I love DOTU and I loved SU. I also loved Badmotorfinger, Louder than Love, etc..........Though I will always cherish their earlier albums, their last two ROCK!!! Just listen to the bass line on "Burden in my hand". How can anyone not be impressed? These guys are absolutely incredible and I know that anything they put out, will be music I will love. JEN - --MAA19710.843845239/rye.farm.niu.edu-- ------------------------------ From: COCHRAN_BONNIE/SBCTC@ctc.ctc.edu Subject: tshirt Geoff wrote: <> Geoff, Thanks for putting this out there! I've been wanting to find this out for a *long* time, but wasn't up to the task myself. I still think we all need to make Nothingdick accountable for what he's done...or more precisely...NOT done. I ordered a shirt, paid with a personal check and have received nothing (so much like the man himself). I don't have the leverage of being able to sick the US Postal Service on him like the money order folks do. I also mailed Mayor McCheese twice for ND's phone number and address, after it was posted that he had them and was willing to give them to those of us who had not received our shirts. Where is he these days? How many others of you requested the info from him and actually got it? Or better yet, how many of you asked and *didn't* get it? Ever since this shit, I've alternately gotten super pissed and then let it go away. I mean, I saw the shirt that Caryn received and think it's pathetic. Not at all what I had envisioned from seeing the winning design, font and colors. Even if the shirt *is* shitty, it is still the principal. It seems as though the time may have come again for us to get collectively pissed off about this so we ALL GET WHAT WE *PAID* FOR!!!! Maybe it's time to get the List Thug out of his semi-disabled state, start feeding him raw meat and then release him upon Nothingman. My little ranting piece, Bonnie ------------------------------ From: "Burris, Benjamin CDT " Subject: MY THOUGHTS First of all, my thoughts on DOTU. Awesome, it kicks ass. The production is really good and the songs rule. My favorites are Tighter and Tighter, never named, boot camp, BOTOW, and BIMH. As far as albums go SU kicked as much ass as DOTU does. How can people say that BHS sucks, just because it was overplayed doesn't mean it automatically sucks. It seems that people tend to shy away from the overplayed songs just because they think they are hardcore SG fans and that they know a more special song that the radio stations cannot recognize as better than the overplayed ones. BMF rocked the world. The best SG song ever, Outshined. I haven't seen many people talk about Outshined, am i the only one who likes it? Outshined is a song i listen to right before i swim at meets or at practice (i swim for West Point). And what about 4th of July, probably SG's second best song. I can't explain 4th of July, sends chills throughout my body when i hear it. And finally, Facelift, for those of you who have forgotten it, listen to it again, that goes for 4th of July to. The only thing about SG that i have never liked is LTL and UMOK, they just never appealed to me no matter how much i listened to them. It was just that period for SG when they were young and very inexperienced, they were more wild than serious about making kick ass music. Those two albums always give me headaches when i listen to them. "Light a roman candle and hold it in your hand" bj ------------------------------ From: "Michael Kruse" Subject: Re:tool hey anyone coming the seattle area a month before the sg show can get tix to see tool in tacoma... should be a killer show.................. who was talking about cc at the capitol theatre in downtown olympia???????? WHATEVER ------------------------------ From: Outshined Subject: covers... From: Subject: More SG Covers >> I just finished listening to Led Zeppelin II again >> and I was thinking. It would be really cool to >> hear SG cover Whole Lotta Love. It just seems to >> me like a piece that would suit SG really well, >> considering the vocals and odd guitar sounds. I always wish that SG would cover more Black Sabbath songs... I hear a lot of people comapre SG to Led Zep, but I think they (SG) sound like way more like Sabbath... Soundgardens riffs and Cornell's vocals are well-suited to handle a lot of Black Sabbath... I think Soundgarden renditions of Children of the Grave, Black Sabbath (one of the creepiest songs ever recorded, like Beyond the Wheel), and Symptom of the Universe would be awesome... - - - - - - - ------ --- ------------ doom@rhf.bradley.edu ------------------------------ From: Joe Cennamo Subject: Re: wooden jesus On Thu, 26 Sep 1996, alexander ebora wrote: > > i was pondering on what the lyrics of wooden jesus by TOTD meant...i can't > seem to understand what CC (or whoever wrote the lyric) meant or want to > imply on the chorus especially on the line "i'll cut you in on 20 percent of > my future sin"...should i take the lyrics literally or does it have a more > "symbolical" meaning?. > > could someone help me on my question? > > > > Never_Named > > > He is talking about those idiots on Christian tv radio. You see it is tax deductable to make a donation so, people who are involved often give to those people what they should be giving to the goverment, thus the line 20 percent. Most tv evangelists are doing infomercials, not sermons. That is the sick part of it. joec ------------------------------ From: Joe Cennamo Subject: Re: Just wondering abt "grunge On Fri, 27 Sep 1996, Aleko wrote: > Soundgarden is not "Grunge", and it's dead as in what is supposed to be > "in" (who decides anyway?). Good music however will always be "in" and > Soundgarden make plenty of that so there is nothing to worry about. > > > > > "Rock n' roll doesn't have a soul, just a dick and a wallet" > --- Kim Thayil > Soundgarden is from Seattle, thaey were on a major label before Nirvana, so they are grunge. They were grunge before grunge was popular though. Kurt Cobain hated the way grunge was esposed, It is one of the major reasons he killed himself. Grunge died when dc talk went from rap to grunge. It doesn't take a genius to figure out grunge was a big trend of the early 90's. and it doesn't take any one much smarter to see that that trend killed it. I still like it though, I plan to stay grunge forever, I never grew out of it never will. joec ------------------------------ From: "Burris, Benjamin CDT " Subject: SORRY Sorry everyone, but when I wrote Facelift in my previous message, i meant Face Pollution. I must have been somewhere else man. ===================#~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ bj ------------------------------ From: Eileen Subject: I received a postcard from Chris Cornell (?) Hello folks, just wondering, have any of you on this list received a runners- up prize postcard personally signed from Chris Cornell ( I believe it came from K.O.T.S mailing list??). Anyway, I received one a few days ago, and the postcard was that of the group ( taken from the cover of the Flower album) and the postcard reads: Eileen, this is a runners- up prize. "We're Fowngarden. We Frown upon everything". C. Cornell Ciao baby! * If anyone did receive a prize postcard, can you please email me privately -- eileen@******( I am only on the digest- mailing list) and let me know what the postcard read. Just like to compare. I'd appreciate it! Ciao for now! Eileen ------------------------------ From: "Aaron "Fire" Cronk" Subject: Re: Am I Mental? First of all, Misty, you are not mental for having lyrics stuck in your head. I usually find myself with Mind Riot stuck in my mind in the morning. In the afternoon, I have Gravity Kills floating around in my melon. And finally towards dinner, Nine Inch Nails sloshes around in there. Next, obviously the lyrics for the song you heard are referring to J.R. Tolkien's "Lord of the Rings". This is quite interesting, and rather odd. As to who wrote these lyrics, I haven't got a clue. I am very interested in who wrote this. I do not find it surprising that your friends don't know what this song is referring to. I think this is because our school system focuses only on the classical literature, and not the great authors of our own time. Personally, I would rather read Tolkien than Shakespeare any day. But anyway, let me know where these lyrics come from. Thanks, Aaron Cronk Aaron A. Cronk s713@Academic.Truman.Edu * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "This thing inside me is slowly tearing me apart Grey would be the color, if I had a heart! - -- Trent Reznor "Something I Can Never Have" from Pretty Hate Machine ------------------- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ From: ADDC Subject: Re: Dotu vs. SU vs... On Thu, 26 Sep 1996, I wrote: > > Extremely interesting thread we got going here. Let me enter this and > > spew out some of my thoughts. Seth, I have to say..it does take a certain > > amount of..I dunno..balls to say what you said about DOTU considering > > your position. Then Caryn wrote this: > his "position"??? > > this is not a flame... but i do NOT understand for one minute why the fact > that he runs a sg mailing list and a kick ass sg web site means that he > must unquestionably love EVERYTHING the band puts out. I think we have a misunderstanding here. I didn't mean that since Seth is the list administrator that he has to unquestionably love everything SG puts out. Not at all. Hell, there are a lot of pre-BMF tracks that I really dislike as well as some of their recent stuff but does that change my unending love for them? No. Look, Soundgarden is my favorite band but I don't have this "blinding loyality" to them. I don't think any of us do. With that in mind, the point I was trying to make was (like he himself said) that it would be hard for anyone to come here in front of 600 plus SG fans and say that they didn't like DOTU. That was the point of my post. Pretty simple I think. I really don't understand your point or your thought process in the above statement. Relax princess.. vincent ------------------------------ From: Michael Groark Subject: Searching... I have seen Soundgarden a bunch of times and I have never heard them play the intro to Searching with My Good Eye Closed. ------------------------------ From: Steve Koca Subject: DOTU Hello listers, About DOTU, how some people like it and some people don't. I personaly don't like the album as much as the older ones. But my brother, who likes jazz and blues, normally does not like Soundgarden, in fact, he almost always tells me to turn my shit-music off. But the other day, I got home from school, finding him listening to DOTU on my system. I had work to do, so I left him alone. When I got back home later that night, he asked me if he could borrow it, and thought it was the "best rock cd he ever heard" But he still doesn't like old Soundgarden. Oh well. Also another tid-bit, I found Stolen Prayers, but did not buy it because it costs $30, and I don't have that kind of cash. But, I could rasie up the money, if it is really worth $30, but I don't think any one cd could be worth that much. patting myself on the back for posting, Twinkie The Kid aka Steve Koca - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Make a move and take the fifth cause ya can't take the first" -Rage Against The Machine - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The hand of god has got a ring about the size of Texas" -Soundgarden - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Monnica Lewis Subject: RE: MY THOUGHTS I don't remember anyone saying a song sucked because it was overplayed. I said I get tired of songs when they are overplayed and they therefore become one of my least fav. I listen to the radio at work (about 8hrs a day, have to have some kind of sounds going to drown out the hum of the lights and computers), but anyway, when you hear the same song 8 times a day 5 days a week, (oh there it goes, they're playing BIMH as I write), it gets old. And I do believe that people who are really fans definitely dig deeper into an album than just the hit singles that come out. You know, like I listen to Smashing Pumpkins songs because they are always on, but I wouldn't consider myself a SP fan. Monnica ---------- From: Burris, Benjamin CDT To: 'somms@MIT.EDU' Subject: MY THOUGHTS Date: Friday, September 27, 1996 2:45PM First of all, my thoughts on DOTU. Awesome, it kicks ass. The production is really good and the songs rule. My favorites are Tighter and Tighter, never named, boot camp, BOTOW, and BIMH. As far as albums go SU kicked as much ass as DOTU does. How can people say that BHS sucks, just because it was overplayed doesn't mean it automatically sucks. It seems that people tend to shy away from the overplayed songs just because they think they are hardcore SG fans and that they know a more special song that the radio stations cannot recognize as better than the overplayed ones. ------------------------------ From: Heather E Jackson Subject: Re: knights of the soundtable Hey..I have a question... How long does it take to get whatever it is you get when you send money to Knights of the Soundtable? I mailed them months (weeks?) ago and have yet to get anything! Waiting Impatiently, Heather - ------- "Everything we do is painful" ~ Kirk Hammett---------- ------------------------------ From: mshaw@lib.occ.cccd.edu (Misty Shaw) Subject: HOBBITS AND DEVIL BITCHES Yesterday I posted a message with a question about these lyrics: "In the darkest depths of Mordor I met a girl so fair, But Gollum and The Evil One Crept up and slipped away with her." Most of you got both questions right. 1), the lyrics come from Led Zeppelin's "Ramble On" 2), The lyrics are making reference to J.R.R. Tolkien's THE HOBBIT, THE LORD OF THE RINGS, and THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING. I made a mistake in the hint yesterday(sorry!) I typed in "the one with the feather-rune plays drums on the Goodyear blimp." Actually, it should have been "The one with the interlocking circles-rune plays drums on the Goodyear blimp." If you posess Led Zeppelin's fourth release, you see these shapes which are called runes. Each band member had his own personal rune/symbol, and John Bonham had the rune with the interlocking circles. The "Goodyear Blimp" refers to "Led Zeppelin". I also posted a note recently having to do with Frank Kozik and the Soundgarden video he directed. This week while I happened to be channel surfing, I saw a different version of the video on eMTyV. Basically the video showed the band members playing their instruments in front of a "psychedelic" background. It wasn't as interesting as the first one. Maybe eMTyV was offended by the content of Kozik's video. They may have replaced it because the first video contained images of female devils, imps--whatever you want to call them. ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com (GRRL NIKI FREER) Subject: Re: Searching... gerk99@bu.edu wrote: >i have seen soundgarden a bunch of times and i have never heard them play >the intro to searching with my good eye closed. well, i guess that depends on whether or not you consider the background music part of the intro to that song, because they DO play that. and as the music is humming along, chris comes in with a few "is it to the sky?" 's and other lines from the song. i guess i consider that playing the intro. but, no, they don't do the speak and spell part of it, if that's what yr talking about. mind riot ____ "It's a feeling everyone gets. Yr all happy with yr life, everything's going well, things are exciting-- when all of a sudden you realize yr unhappy in the extreme, to the point of being really, really scared. There's no particular event you can pin the feeling down to, it's just that you realize one day that everything in yr life is FUCKED!" chris cornell ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: Re: covers... Outshined wrote: > > From: > Subject: More SG Covers > > >> I just finished listening to Led Zeppelin II again > >> and I was thinking. It would be really cool to > >> hear SG cover Whole Lotta Love. It just seems to > >> me like a piece that would suit SG really well, > >> considering the vocals and odd guitar sounds. > > I always wish that SG would cover more Black Sabbath > songs... I hear a lot of people comapre SG to Led > Zep, but I think they (SG) sound like way more like > Sabbath... Soundgardens riffs and Cornell's vocals > are well-suited to handle a lot of Black Sabbath... Hey List There are a ton-o-songs that SG should/could cover. Led Zeppelin's "Night Flight"; oh wait, listen to the intro to that song and the Intro to BiMH. Or maybe some sugary 70's pop ditty that they could call thier own like "Stuck in the Middle with You" by Stealers Wheel. Or maybe, just maybe if those old Japanese Monster flicks come back to be popular again... (and this would have to be my favorite) "Godzilla" by Blue Oyster Cult. Imagine Chris saying the Japanese parts! Or something offbeat and potentially topical in the future like "Cold Turkey" by John Lennon. Anyway, you can be assured that whatever they choose to cover in the future will be extremely off the wall and will catch most people by surprise. (Waiting for the Sun, Dropout Boogie) Maybe Kim and Chris have been listening to Bahaus, early Cure, Alien Sex Fiend or (gasp!) the Eagles. Could be the next potential cover song :-) Steve ------------------------------ From: Josh_Garza@teachnet.edb.utexas.edu (Josh Garza) Subject: Fwd: Re(2): Knight of the soundtable what is their E-Mail address....?????? because I sent some money to them near the beginning of summer!!!! arghhhhhhhhhh thanx _____________ gkleemol@callisto.uwinnipeg.ca,Internet writes: They send out the welcome packages at the beginning of each month, so if you are going to join send now to receive in mid-october. Email the fanclub for pricing. It came out to over $20 Canadian for me to join. Geoff - -- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- TeachNet, College of Education, University of Texas, Austin Texas - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: Monnica Lewis Subject: Re: knights of the soundtable it takes a really long time. Also, you really don't get very much, at least I don't. I got the little welcome thingy but since then I've only gotten something 3 or 4 times, (I signed up like 3 years ago). It's usually late too like after the album comes out, I get an announcement that it's coming out. I hate to tell you, but I'm not real happy with it. I think this mailing list is way more informative. ---------- From: Heather E Jackson To: Sandy Pierce Cc: somms Subject: Re: knights of the soundtable Date: Friday, September 27, 1996 5:04PM Hey..I have a question... How long does it take to get whatever it is you get when you send money to Knights of the Soundtable? I mailed them months (weeks?) ago and have yet to get anything! Waiting Impatiently, Heather ------- "Everything we do is painful" ~ Kirk Hammett---------- ------------------------------ From: alexander ebora Subject: SG videos hey folks, do any of you (and i know there are 600+ in this list) have SG videos on tape...i have never seen any of their videos before SU (i didn't even see the video of the song superunknown) and i would like to see their other earlier videos especially those from BMF (but i saw i bit of Outshined in beavis and butt-head)...anyone who wish to help me out could e-mail me privately. thanks. Never_Named "...summer nights and long warm days ebora87@matrix.newpaltz.edu are stolen as the old moon falls the mirror shows another face another face to hide it all another face to hide it all..." -Chris Cornell- ------------------------------ From: Geoff Kleemola Subject: Re: SG videos I have all of them except Flower and Superunknown. I've never seen SU either. If you have access to MuchMusic somehow, you could check out the SG spotlight which will be aired Oct 7th and 8th. And you can see some of them on the ALive in the Superunknown CD+. Also, check out Seth's website for clips. They are coming soon... Geoff On Fri, 27 Sep 1996, alexander ebora wrote: > > hey folks, > > do any of you (and i know there are 600+ in this list) have SG videos on > tape...i have never seen any of their videos before SU (i didn't even see > the video of the song superunknown) and i would like to see their other earlier > videos especially those from BMF (but i saw i bit of Outshined in beavis and > butt-head)...anyone who wish to help me out could e-mail me privately. > > thanks. > > > > Never_Named "...summer nights and long warm days > ebora87@matrix.newpaltz.edu are stolen as the old moon falls > the mirror shows another face > another face to hide it all > another face to hide it all..." > > -Chris Cornell- > > > ------------------------------ Subject: Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks From: Patrick Vartuli Here's my 2 cents worth... I think that it's good that everyone on the list is voicing their opinion on which album they like best and why, but whenever someone writes something that pisses a few people off the get the living shit flamed out of them. Why? Can't we just accept the fact that not everone has the same favourite album? I can. As for favourite SG line in a song, mine would have to be "I've got the urge to ride your trike" from Kickstand. And if others don't agree, I'll flame you ;-) Bye =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ATTENTION!! GO TO MY WEB PAGE NOW!! http://users.mildura.net.au/users/patrick =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "...I'm gonna break my rusty cage and run..." =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: Dotu vs. SU vs... On Fri, 27 Sep 1996, ADDC wrote: > I think we have a misunderstanding here. I didn't mean that since Seth is > the list administrator that he has to unquestionably love everything SG > puts out. Not at all. well, that's what it sounded like to me, and since other people in the past have tried to hold him to some mysterious 'listadmin standard', i thoughtyou were doing the same. my mistake. > they didn't like DOTU. That was the point of my post. Pretty simple I think. I > really don't understand your point or your thought process in the above > statement. Relax princess.. as you stated yourself, it was a misunderstanding. your condescending 'princess' comment is out of place and unnecessary. you don't understand my thought process? ask me. i didn't attack you, i attacked your argument. learn the difference. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: The Guitarist-2001 Subject: Re: oh yeah... Ok, I'm gonna do what they did and have the other E-mails at the bottom, and MINE on top . . . HAHA! MINE! ALL MINE! . . .ok, on with the E-mail . . . For this "future grave" line, my interpretation is that he spent so much money preparing for death, the afterlife if you must, that he brings it closer . . . . arrgh, I gotta think more before I try to put it into words . . . ok, literal example: he spends all his money on a grave (plot, coffin, etc.), so that he is broke and doesn't have enough money to live anymore, so that his preparing for death is what caused his death. Hey! I think that might have actually made sense! Call the newspapers! ;-) blunt summary: preparing for future without taking care of the present. :-) The Guitarist-2001 (chances are my signature file thingy will appear at the bottom of this E-mail, so don't forget to scroll down and see it, so that I can hypnotize you/suck you into our website . . . ) At 09:45 PM 9/26/96 +0000, Gregg wrote: >Okay, okay, I spent a lot of time with this song...so shoot me. >He spend all his money on a future grave means that he wasted his >life sinning, and is now looking to have his sins forgiven. However, >he thinks it may be too late and is spending all of the (wrong) resources >(aka money power as opposed to faith and belief) to get salvation. >Hence the question "Can I be saved?" >Gregg > > >On Thu, 26 Sep 1996 Dicknail@aol.com wrote: > >> >> --------------------- >> Forwarded message: >> Subj: oh yeah... >> Date: 96-09-26 20:05:13 EDT >> From: Dicknail >> To: soms@mit.edu >> >> oh and i forgot to mention the line [from wooden jesus] "can i be saved? i >> spent all my money on a future grave..." this line always grabbed me cos it >> sounded as if he meant that he had spent all his life preparing to have a >> good afterlife but in the process had bought his way thru it... like he dint >> know if he would "be saved" because of the way hed gone about ensuring his >> very salvation. that made no sense...i can only hope that somene more >> eloquent than me can translate it =) >> >> ~Piss Shivers~ >> >> "like wedding cake rotting in the graveyard >> drowning dreams like poppies in the sea..." >> -Bif Naked [ignorant americans...*grumblegrumble* heheh you know i dint mean >> it right???!!! hee hee] >> > "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist" - The Usual Suspects Check out CORE - The Ultimate Site For Teens: http://members.aol.com/dczoner/index.html - Soundgarden=band of the month! (...any suggestions for a guitar page?) ------------------------------ From: The Guitarist-2001 Subject: Thingy - my quest for yet MORE E-mail Yes, it's a thread/survey/poll/questionare/THINGY! . . . based on some of the conversations lately on the list regarding lyrics, band development through albums, etc. So yes, here goes, folks either post responses to the list or directly to me, but DO NOT change the subject line (accept for the default "Re:" of course), or you will likely not be counted in the Thingy . . . 1. Favorite SG song lyrically 2. Favorite SG lyric(s) 3. Favorite SG song musically (overall sound) 4. Favorite part of an SG song (favorite guitar/bass/drum/solo riff, vocal effects, etc.) 5. Favorite SG song 6. Instrument (if you play one . . . or you can just list your favorite/one you'd like to learn to play/admire, etc.) 7. Favorite all time lyric 8. Favorite all time song 9. Favorite SG album 10. Favorite pizza topping 11. Favorite ice-cream flavor 12. Advice for compiling the responses to this thing :-) Please respond . . . and wish me luck . . . ;-) . . . never done one of these before, so I thought I'd do everything at once . . . ;-) The Guitarist-2001 "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist" - The Usual Suspects Check out CORE - The Ultimate Site For Teens: http://members.aol.com/dczoner/index.html - Soundgarden=band of the month! (...any suggestions for a guitar page?) ------------------------------ From: UnknMan@aol.com Subject: Re: JCP Shawn writes: > I just have to say that few things compare to hearing and seeing Jesus >Christ Pose live. I think that the band should open with this song for the >rest of their career. It just overwhelms the senses. I didn't get a chance to >see them at Lollapalooza (Michigan got stiffed), so I don't know what they've >been opening with lately, but dammit, I like JCP as the first song! Anyone >out there agree with me or am I just full of shit? They opened with Spoonman for every show (from what I've seen) & if they played JCP it was as a closer (& they did so for just about every show w/ a few exception.) But JCP as an opener is pretty dangerous. This song can KILL your vocal chords if you just start screaming the opening '& you stare at me...' unless you have a decent warm-up. From what I noticed at the Lolla show in NO the only thing Cornell did to warm-up was walk back & forth behind the stage & put out his cig. Anyway... personally I think band's should open with an easier number vocally ie: FOBD (which builds to some nice 'yelling' later), Waiting For The Sun, or any of their slow, ballad types that begin in a low register on vocals. Didn't they open w/ JCP all through the Days We Tried To Live Tour & didn't that tour end because of Cornell's throat problems? That tour may have NEVER ended if they opened with Like Suicide! Just a little conspiracy starter (c: ray (c: ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: everybody's got something to hide... just a quick addendum to the beatles question that was asked a couple of days ago. while looking through some old articles I found this from chris : ...and had his first taste of rock music when he heard the beatles' "hey jude". "it made me feel like I hadn't felt before...sort of a strange euphoria...I remember stealing a stack of beatles records from my neighbour's basement. they had thrown them on the ground and the basement flooded and all the sleeves were warped. and I took out all the records and put them in between paper towels and brought them home and started listening to them. I sat in my room for weeks on end listening to those records. there was no decisive moment when I thought 'wow, I want to do this'. that wasn't there at all. it just made me feel good". ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Chris Aebi Subject: my humble opinion Hi there Good news for Matt and Ben's side band Fans: The new Hater album is coming in about 6 month (very precise, I know). Matt told it to me before signing me tee(which was of course also signed by the other three guys). All of this happened after their gig in Winterthur, Switzerland, Sep 24. The show included: Chris taking his shirt off for the encores. Chris coming down the stage to shake hands and heads after their last song. (imagine touching a god!!) Kim not hitting me after I took his picture. and the most amazing thing: Ben smiling during the show!!!!!!! Anyway, the gig was just great. Even our two hours of waiting after the show at the back exit for them to come out was rewarded by four not in the least arrogant rock stars shaking hands with me, signing stuff and chatting. Even Ben seemed happy to talk to us. This showed me how much some people on this list seem to think they know everything about Chris, Ben, Matt and Kim when they don't know a fucking shit. Especialy people writting about how much they like a certain song and hate another one. Soundgarden is not about enjoying singles. Every album has a beginning and an end. If you miss one song, you miss the whole album. You'll still enjoy the single songs, but you'll never catch the whole feeling of the album. For me, Soundgarden is about four cool guys making the best music in the 80's, the 90's (and probably the first decade of the year 2000) while staying down to earth. Do you know of any other band capable of this ? Let me know. Cheers Swiss Chris p.s. For all of you who didn't like DOTU: Hard headed... ------------------------------ From: Jody Santorineos Subject: Re: AM I MENTAL? Jody Santorineos wrote: > > Misty Shaw wrote: > > > > You know how you get songs in your head that you can't get rid of? The > > chorus of "MAILMAN" was in my head all day yesterday: > > "I know I'm headed for the bottom > > But I'm riding you all the way > > I'm riding you all the way" > > Then for a brief period of time, I had The Cardigans' "CARNIVAL" in my > > head, which for some strange reason turned into nine inch nails' "REPTILE"! > > I AM TOTALLY MENTAL! > > This morning I heard a song and it's lyrics remind me of something: > > "In the darkest depths of Mordor > > I met a girl so fair, > > But Gollum and The Evil One > > Crept up and slipped away with her." > > I Know what these lyrics refer to, but do you? The people I know haven't a > > clue what it means. > > TWO QUESTIONS: 1)WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE SONG AND WHO IS/ARE THE ARTIST(S)? > > 2)TO WHAT ARE THESE LYRICS REFERRING TO? > > Hint: The one with the feather-rune plays drums on the Goodyear blimp. > > > > -- > > Orange Coast College Costa Mesa California > > 1)Ramble On - Led Zep > 2)some believe the lyrics refer to J.R.R. Tolkien's The Hobbit > -Jody ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 257] ****************************************