From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 25 Sep 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 02:05:05 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Wednesday, 25 Sep 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Re: Guitar Smashing just add it up to the hot rod death toll... Re: Ben's Bass some Sg contest Re: Article comments... =) Re: Ben's Bass Re: Guitar Smashing Re: just add it up to the hot rod death toll... I've Lost my Mail! Sub Pop 200 who's met Sg? and stuff Re: Chris/Layne duet type thing Brandeis Show Freedom......... Re: Professor Jesus Freak Re: ok ok ok ok Re: wasting time Re: Chris Arrogant? Re: Soundgarden Dream Re: best b-side and best album Re: just add it up to the hot rod death toll... Re: just add it up to the hot rod death toll... videos BHS # 2 albums it took to reach my destination Seth's remarks Madrid Re: Professor Jesus Freak Re:Spin letters Re: best b-side and best album Re: Bowling with Riki Re: hey hey my my... rock and roll can never die old, new fav Re: hey hey my my... rock and roll can never die Re: Bowling with Riki misc. debris Re: hey hey my my... rock and roll can never die Re: just add it up to the hot rod death toll... all the warmth in her heart... RE: don't like, hate Re: Sub Pop 200 Re: best SG line like dying soldiers... Re: best SG line come together with your hands... Some Stories... C. Love Re: Article comments... =) Re(2): best SG line Re: Some Stories... Bloodloss (was: Halloween at the OK Hotel!) Re: Searching for an intro . . . All this flamin' [Not much Sg] Please Read. Re: dont like, hate Re: videos Re: dont like, hate RE: Some Stories... Hater. . . Searching as an Intro..... BHS#2 'GERMAN' version ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Badmotorfinger@nrunner.mil.wi.us Subject: Re: Guitar Smashing Yeah, really..I think it would be a lot cooler if he donated the guitars he wants to smash to some people who can't afford a good guitar....Hell, he'd be better off throwing them into the crowd for some fans to get. Of course he could smack someone in the head and get sued for all SG is worth...(Anyone know how much CC and the band are worth anyway $$?) Just think of the fight over his guitars that would erupt...hehe... BMF ------------------------------ From: "Angela Dewberry" Subject: On Mon, 23 Sep 1996, Paul Faraguna wrote: > Does anybody know if Ben or any of the other lads has ever expressed > any appreciation for, or inspiration by, the Fab Four? Maybe he just > likes the sound of it, or maybe it's more than that. Also, can it be This is a quote from an interview that myself and my editor conducted with Chris and Kim earlier this summer, before they did Lollapalooza. (I work for Launch - the CD-ROM). Chris noted that the Beatles influenced him more than any other band. Here it is: LAUNCH: What is the record that changed your life? CHRIS: I think that most of the records that changed my life I stole. I was at an age where I couldn't afford records. The entire Beatles catalog, I think I stole. That's a lot of records to steal. That probably had the biggest impact on me. As far as totally changing my life, I mean I can't think of one single record that really did that, but the whole later Beatles period did that. It changed my opinion about music, and changed me from a casual music fan into someone who couldn't wait to come home and sit in a room by myself and listen to all these records. I did that for years before I even thought about playing it. KIM: The record that changed my life? There probably is a series of them. At some point, you know, records that mark certain rites of passage. For me as an individual, there are certain records that gave me new insight into myself and my ability to play music. One was Sgt. Pepper's by the Beatles. Kiss Alive was another one when I was a young teenager. As an older teenager, things like the Stooges, the MC5, the Ramones. In my young 20s, there were bands like Pere Ubu that gave me insight into guitar playing and music and songwriting. ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: just add it up to the hot rod death toll... On Mon, 23 Sep 1996, seth wrote: > other hand, the guitar solo in "Rhinosaur" is about the most > buttrockish, straight-ahead metal thing I've ever heard SG do. Not to > rocking out on DOTU anyway. This fast, punky side to Soundgarden is > not the one I like, and the new slower-tempo songs are far too thin; I > much prefer the sounds of Ultramega OK and Badmotorfinger (and much of in some ways I agree with all the dotu-haters of the list, but I think that the record is actually better than the respect it is given. I agree that kim's first solo on rhinosaur leans a little to the buttrock side, but so what? the song's main riff is great, and if kim wants to grow his hair (beard?) a little longer on that solo, then let him. it is only one song off the record. I certainly don't write off screaming life because I don't like little joe (the song). I know that there are some weak songs on the record. dusty can only go around a couple of times before it gets boring. no attention doesn't live up to the self-pollution demo. and maybe an unkind isn't ben's best. but there *are* some strong tracks on the album, which may not stand as tall as fourth of july or slaves and bulldozers when their greatest hits package is being put together, but are certainly still good *soundgarden* songs in their own right. to me, the slower songs like overfloater, tighter and butow aren't thin and do have depth. maybe the reason they don't go over so well is because the emotion isn't just anger anymore. sure, beyond the wheel is a fantastic song. but as much as I like limo wreck and jesus christ pose, I think that if the album was simply 16 tracks of crushing guitars and unbridled emotion things would get boring very quickly. give me a little variety and I'll be a happy listener, and dotu certainly has that. I think it would be difficult for the band to ever assemble a group of songs like the twelve on badmotorfinger again. we can pine all we want, but let's face facts; a band can only put together a record like that once, maybe twice, in it's life. so even though I honestly enjoy the album for what it is, I ask this - are we seeing a band in decline? have they gone over the hill already? was bmf the pinnacle or is there still more left in the soundgarden bag? ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: TSmith@lakefieldcs.on.ca (Timothy Smith) Subject: Re: Ben's Bass UnknMan@aol.com stated: > They recorded "Come Together" & it appears on several > Louder Than Love-era singles / eps. I have a boot of a 1990 show when > Cornell sings "Hey Jude" during some other song (I think). They recorded > Lennon's "One Minute Of Silence" (omitting Oko's minute) for Ultramega OK & > "Everybody's Got Something To Hide Except Me & My Monkee" from The White > Album @ the 1989 Peel Session... so yeah, I guess they appreciate & are > inspired by the Beatles. Also I think that songs like "Head Down", B"low Up > The Outside World" & all the Bmf studio covers I am pretty sure that Ben used it on Pretty Noose. It was in the second video from what I remember. Tim Smith ------------------------------ From: "stella" Subject: some Sg contest I just caught the tail end of a commercial on MTV about a contest they're having. I'm not sure what the prize is or what you even have to do to enter, but they said the word Soundgarden. The contest is called "Get Lucky with MTV" Has anyone seen this promo? And know what the prize is? Meet Soundgarden? CDs? Teeshirts? - --- srogers@fix.net http://www.fix.net/~srogers http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/1534 "Not only is life a bitch, but its always having puppies" ------------------------------ From: psyche Subject: Re: Article comments... =) > but I personally think they write >some of the BEST and most entertaining articles out there. If I were >talented enough to write for a living... I'd want to do stuff like Kerrang >puts out. Hmmmm...., well I'm the person who typed up one of the articles, and I agree, that KERRANG! writes the more entertaining articles, but..yikes!, they have a tendency to use the worst pictures. Take the Sept. 14th issue with Chris on the cover. He looks like he just yawned or woke up... or maybe both?.....kinda like that Rolling Stone picture with Joey Ramone, with bloodshot eyes etc...; but to put that on a FRONT PAGE!!! Trust me he doesn't look too good; I nearly got a heart-attack when I saw it. Damn! I wish I had a scanner, or I would send it to Seth's page, so you guys could see what I'm talking about. (And for those, who really care, he is wearing a DKNY shirt...,-yes DKNY- in another picture) > > Heheheh... can you picture Chris and Kim out on the dance floor? > Hmmmmm...., I have to admit I laughed at this one as well, but listen to this: This is from a radio interview with Chris, in which he says: "......we don't like leaving home much really......you know.....just stay at home with our stuffed animals and bags of chips, drinking beer and talking to ourselves." STUFFED ANIMALS!!!!!! Hehehehe......can you picture Kim holding a teddy bear?! >>How long can you last? > >>CC: Two litres or 15 minutes. Just so you can compare this with something, in the following edition Rancid guitarist stated to the same question: "About an hour-and-a-half" Hm.... no comment. Okay, back to KERRANG!, and then I promise I will leave. Just thought I'd type their review of the BIMH single Rated: KKK (for average) "Burden in our ears, he's tempted to write. Naa, although hardly one of the most inspirational numbers from 'Down On The Upside' this builds from a Zeppelin-esque folky strum into a majestically driving highly melodic brow-knitter. 'Karaoke', wherein the 'Gardeners cruelly lambast grunge copyists, is even better, with loads of piss take 'oh yeah's and deliberately derivative riffs. Who said these boys don't like a good giggle?" Allright, enough from me. sabrina (a very silent sommster) ------------------------------ From: Paul_Faraguna@dbna.com (Paul Faraguna) Subject: Re: Ben's Bass metalica@roanoke.infi.net wrote: >????? call me crazy but just because ben uses a certain bass , does >that mean he wants to be like paul mccartney, mabey that bass just >gave him the sound he was looking for....just a thought. >-- Call me crazy but, I don't recall making such a statement. In fact I made no statement as to Ben's inspirations at all. I simply asked a question. That question basically being; what significance, if any, is there to Ben's apparent affinity for a Hoffner bass? Paul ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: Re: Ben's Bass Author: metalica@roanoke.infi.net at dbnaccip Date: 9/23/96 4:57 PM Paul Faraguna wrote: > > > Greetings, > > Went to the local music store today and was thumbing through a copy of > the DOTU guitar and voice sheet music booklet. The first couple of > pages were pictures of the guys in the studio; and judging by the > length of Chris's hair, I'd say that the pics were from the DOTU > sessions, but I digress. > > Anyway, in these pics, Ben is playing a Hoffner Bass. The very same, > violin-shaped, bass guitar played by Paul McCartney. Being a major > Beatles fan from wwwway back, I was very pleasantly surprised. I've > been a SG fan for years, and now I have an added reason to like them. > Does anybody know if Ben or any of the other lads has ever expressed > any appreciation for, or inspiration by, the Fab Four? Maybe he just > likes the sound of it, or maybe it's more than that. Also, can it be > assumed that much of the bass work on DOTU is done on that Hoffner > bass? > > Paul ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Cause, fear is strong, & loves for everyone who isn't me." - Chris Cornell ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Guitar Smashing From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) >(Anyone know how >much CC and the band are worth anyway $$?) Just think of the fight over his >guitars that would erupt...hehe... > > >BMF Didn't this happen a year or so back. I remember seeing a clip on MTV News where Chris was talking about his guitars not doing what he wanted and he got really piss and ripped the strings off and toss it into the crowd at which point several people when crazy fighting for it. He told who ever was interviewing him that he felt sorry for who ever got the guitar because at some point it would let them down as it did him and mess up the music... Jamie (Village Idiot who won't play the silly thing, just hold it very, very, veryyyyy close - sigh) ------------------------------ Subject: Re: just add it up to the hot rod death toll... From: tonerkin@usa.pipeline.com (Tonerkin) On Sep 24, 1996 16:38:54, 'blind dog ' wrote: . maybe the reason they don't go over so well is >because the emotion isn't just anger anymore. They aren't struggling musicians anymore and they are not 20 years old either. They are maturing and sometimes with maturity , fiancial and emotional peace of mind comes a certain amount of serenity. Not so much anger. It's not a bad thing just different. >I think it would be difficult for the band to ever assemble a >group of songs like the twelve on badmotorfinger again. we can pine all we >want, but let's face facts; a band can only put together a record like >that once, maybe twice, in it's life. so even though I honestly enjoy the >album for what it is, I ask this - are we seeing a band in decline? have >they gone over the hill already? was bmf the pinnacle or is there still >more left in the soundgarden bag? I think they are four very talented men. I think they don't want to get stuck in a rut of playing the same music over and over again. They are writing songs that are not like BMF songs because they as people are not in the same place they were in 1991. I certainly am not doing the exact same things every day that I did 5 years ago. God, how dreadfully boring and unfulfilling that would be. toni ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: I've Lost my Mail! God I feel so totally stupid. I don't know how it happened, but when I trashed Netscape 3.0 after "trying" it it took all my Netscape 2.01 preferences, mail and bookmarks! So, if anyone emailed me anytime Monday please, please, PLEASE resend if you can. Now, how can I make this Soundgarden related? Has anyone who is going to the Chicago shows (I understand there are at least 15 of us) contacted Silver Management or the radio stations or anything to see if we can get some kind of special access or something. I think a group this big should be able to get SOMETHING special. Kathie ------------------------------ From: Jason Todd Olenick Subject: Sub Pop 200 hello all, I just stopped by a local CD store today ad ran across a copy of Sub Pop 200 in the used CD section for $7.99. I was just wondering from those of you that have it, or have heard it, if it is worth buying? Thanks Jason ****** **** ***** **** ***** **** *** **** **** *** *** **** ** *** *** *** ****** **** *** *** *** *** *** *** ************* *** ***** ***** ------------------------------ From: Mercyhurst Prep Library Subject: who's met Sg? and stuff Someone mentioned Kerrang....the rag drives me nuts! Anyone ever read any supposed interviews w/ Sg and wonder where they got the stuff? Some I've read simply don't sound like CC and things he'd say. Gotta admit tho, they do carry some cool pix! Please allow me to repeat something from an earlier post--how many people on the list have ever met Sg? Maybe some of us could swap stories b/c when I met them I was just so awed by Kimster! He's so cool! Anyone up to it? We're talking the meet-them-by-the-bus things to spending a little time w/ them backstage/whatever. ciao for now...deb ------------------------------ From: new wave biscuit Subject: Re: Chris/Layne duet type thing On Tue, 24 Sep 1996, Jody wrote: > HEY! > Does anyone know about a song called "Right Turn"? A friend that's no > longer a friend taped a copy of it for me and it's supposed to be Chris > singing with Layne Staley. I'm not sure if it's with Alice In Chains or > with SG but I'd like to know a little more about this song if anyone > knows about it. > Later, Jody > The song is featured on Alice In Chains' "Sap" mini-album. - -me ------------------------------ From: Nate Crosswhite Subject: Brandeis Show Hey All, I want to put a list together of who is going to the Brandeis show, so we can possibly pick a place to meet before the show. Yeah, I know it's two months away, but I'm excited about getting tickets, and it seems everyone else is too. So, email me _off the list_ if you want to be included, and I'll put together a list of email addresses to mail back. If anyone lives near Waltham, and has an idea of a good place to meet, let me know. Nate ------------------------------ From: ONE & ONLY ALI-G Subject: Freedom......... I've seen alot of comments about the 2Pac remark......enough is enough. We are all entitled to feel how we want to feel....if you do not like what someone has to say.....oh well...respect it anyway......respect it for not conforming to some fucked up set of "politically correct" standards. Maybe the comment was harsh...but damn it sure did get alot of attention. Why bitch over a comment? I'm sure there are more important things that could be discussed.....I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels this way.....Is this list about bitching about 2Pac...or is it about giving some respect to Sound- garden..and the fans???? ------------------------------ From: new wave biscuit Subject: Re: Professor Jesus Freak On Mon, 23 Sep 1996, Joe Cennamo wrote: > Actually I am 15, I have plenty of friends. That explains a hell of a lot. Lets just leave it at that. :| - -me ------------------------------ From: new wave biscuit Subject: Re: ok ok ok ok On Mon, 23 Sep 1996, Joe Cennamo wrote: > On Mon, 23 Sep 1996, Scroggin wrote: > > > no im not a racist , i mearly detest all rap stars and wish they were > > dead white, black , hispanic, blue, green > > > > now as for this joe guy who keeps posting all of his KKK propaganda , > > go get a life . > > -- > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > "Cause, fear is strong, & loves for > > everyone who isn't me." - Chris Cornell > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > kkk propaganda, huh? Did you happon to read my message? I just said I was > happy that he was dead, and that he had got what he deserved. I was > talking about rap not black people. > The kkk would probably kill me too, If you could take a look at me you > would see that. > Tell me what kkk propaganda I ever said. I would like to know. IF you > think I like the kkk, look at my last name, and then think about what the > kkk would do to me. k *sigh!* OK, OK I'm getting a little tired of reading all of this stuff. If you don't like 2 pac or Rap music, then that's up to you entirely, but what does it have to do with this mailing list? I don't care what your standpoint is on the subject (and this is for everybody whose replied to this), whether you like Rap or not, whether you think 2 pac deserved to die or not, or whether you think that disliking a certain form of music immediately makes you racist somehow. I, personally don't care and don't wish to here about it on a SOUNDGARDEN mailing list and I'm sure I'm not thr only one on here with these sentiments. So as well meant(!) as some of the comments were, let's just keep them off this list. In the immortal words of Soundgarden, the group which draws us all together as one glorious whole on this list "Don't come over here/Piss on my gate/Save it, just keep it off my wave...". Er.. yeh. Have a nice day. - -me ------------------------------ From: Enrique Olavarria Subject: >Not to go >off on a tangent here, but there's far, far too much straight-ahead >rocking out on DOTU anyway. This fast, punky side to Soundgarden is >not the one I like, and the new slower-tempo songs are far too thin; I >much prefer the sounds of Ultramega OK and Badmotorfinger (and much of >Louder Than Love). It just makes it worse that the b-sides from the >DOTU singles have also been fast rockers rather than slow >mind-blowers. Yeah, maybe I'm living in the past, and the band has >"matured" (whatever that means), and the band is finally doing what >they want to do, but if that's the case, then ship me back to 1991 >when they were immature. i cant agree with you more, seth. i got into soundgarden with louder than love and when badmotorfinger came out and they started playing "outshined" on the radio people asked me about the band; i always said "'outshined' is an excellent song but what really makes soundgarden great are songs like 'slaves and bulldozers', 'searching with my good eye closed', 'gun', etc". i always felt that way. after a while i got the flower single and found 'toy box' (one of my favourite SG songs). then superunknown came out and there were still songs like "like suicide", "limo wreck". DOTU doesnt have songs like these. my favourite dotu song is "tighter and tighter" but it's still, like seth so accurately described it, too thin. now i find myself listening to "never the machine forever" more. kim's song is the closest to what soundgarden sounded like to me before dotu (though its still different). ben's songs, on the other hand, are very different. theyre great and unique songs and i love them, especially 'dusty' and 'an unkind', but their sound is different from the one that got me into soundgarden at first. when people started posting about how great 'bleed together' was, i hoped for a b-side like "toy box" or "cold bitch". when i got the burden single (thanks to Ang) i found that it wasnt the 'slow mind-blower' i hoped it would be. i still love it, and i like 'karaoke' even more, but theyre more the 'fast rocker' type. of course, if the next SG album is half as good as dotu ill be more than happy because i do like dotu a lot, but in a different way. but then again there are times when i think its not the music, its me. i dont know if this happens to any of you but ive found i enjoyed music more when i was 14-18 years old. not that im old now, im 20, but i dont get that great feeling you get when you listen to a very cool song as often. eso es todo. enrique. ------------------------------ From: new wave biscuit Subject: Re: wasting time On Mon, 23 Sep 1996, Sandy Pierce wrote: > i'm sorry to bring this up cuz i'm sure you all are sick of hearing about > people like this, but i have to say i am very offended by the guy who is > wishing death on rap artists. if someone were to say that they wanted > someone in soundgarden to die i would be very upset, so , being a fan of a > variety of music, i feel bad to be in the presence of someone who so easily > can write about wanting another person to die... not only is this stupid > and annoying, his posts contain no soundgarden content. Yeh, well its unfortunate that some people out there think that part of liking a Rock band or Rock music for that matter includes harbouring an irrational dislike for Rap music and its musicians (well, afeter all, it's "cool" for Rock music fans to slag off Rap, isn't it??). Such attitudes really are pathetic and totally unacceptable. Some of you on here need to learn to grow up a little. - -me ------------------------------ From: new wave biscuit Subject: Re: Chris Arrogant? On Mon, 23 Sep 1996 oponfam@cnsnet.com wrote: > I've always considered Chris to have an almost "majestic" way of > carrying himself, which could be perceived as arrogance, but I don't > think it is. I think he has this great tall body that he has learned > to use well. In every interview I've seen with Chris he always seems > really humble to me. Sometimes shyness and/or being introverted is > seen by people as being arrogant. I know what you mean, though. Its > hard to be objective about someone you feel so strongly for (this is > coming from someone who once told shroom I couldn't vote to convict > Chris if I was on a jury and knew he was guilty). So I guess only > those of us who get lucky enough to actually meet him (how about it > Gemma?) will know for sure. Agreed. I don't think that Chris is arrogant at all. In all the interviews I've heard/read, he strikes me as being a very honest, down to earth kinda guy (don't you just love Americanisms?? :)) with a very dry and ironic sense of humour which (unfortunately) most people are incapable of picking up on. If anything, I think the problem with him is that he is largely misunderstood. - -me ------------------------------ From: new wave biscuit Subject: Re: Soundgarden Dream On Mon, 23 Sep 1996 oponfam@cnsnet.com wrote: > Its me again. Sorry for so many posts, but I'm finally catching up on > my digests and I'm on a posting frenzy. > > I finally had another Soundgarden dream last night. Unfortunately I > didn't jump up and write it down, so this won't be as detailed as some > of your dreams have been, but I thought it was cool anyway. > > A bunch of us sommsters were staying in a hotel across the street from > a place Soundgarden was playing. It was kind of like a dorm situation > and we were all hanging out, looking forward to the concert. When I > walked into the venue it was set up where there were chairs all the > way up to the stage (no place to mosh, awww) and in the front row I > found Caryn. Now this is weird, because I've never met Caryn and don't > even know what she looks like, but in my dream it was Caryn (I also > met Ben Timberlake in the dream, who I've also never seen). Anyway, > when the show started we were right up there. Chris came to the edge > of the stage as he was singing and crouched down, gripping the edge of > the stage with one hand. I couldn't resist - he was just too close - I > reached out and touched his hand. And he seemed to get pissed! I have > conveniently blocked out the horrible details, but I think he said or > did something rude. I must have looked so devastated, though, that > during a break I was called over to the side of the stage and guess > who was there - Chris. He said he was sorry and asked if I was with > the mailing list (don't ask me, it was a dream) and I said yeah, so we > all got to go backstage after the show. I don't remember any more > details; I'm just glad to have had a Soundgarden dream again - its > been a long time. I never thought I'd ever have a SG dream, but I had TWO!! One of them had a remix (yes a remix) of BiMH playing in the background, and the other one, I've completely forgotted (dreams are like that). It must have somthing to do with being on the list. I must've caught something from one of you lot!! :) - -me ------------------------------ From: new wave biscuit Subject: Re: best b-side and best album On Mon, 23 Sep 1996, Aldrich wrote: > I Love Birth Ritual! I have let it be known before that it is tied w/ JCP > for my absolute favorite SG song. I haven't really heard that much praise > for it. Does anyone feel the same way? Birth Ritual is one of the best SG songs out there!! I can't think of enough good stuff to say about it!! It's that good!! BTW, just a trivial point. I listened to DotU the other night whilst I was stoned and it sounded A-M-A-Z-I-N-G!! If there are any tokers out there who haven't tried it, then I suggest you do. In fact, listeniing to most SG when you're stoned is cool, but that album in particular just struck me as being completely awesome at the time!! - -me ------------------------------ From: new wave biscuit Subject: Re: just add it up to the hot rod death toll... On Tue, 24 Sep 1996, blind dog wrote: > in some ways I agree with all the dotu-haters of the list, but I > think that the record is actually better than the respect it is given. I > agree that kim's first solo on rhinosaur leans a little to the buttrock > side, but so what? the song's main riff is great, and if kim wants to grow > his hair (beard?) a little longer on that solo, then let him. it is only > one song off the record. I certainly don't write off screaming life > because I don't like little joe (the song). > > I know that there are some weak songs on the record. dusty can > only go around a couple of times before it gets boring. no attention > doesn't live up to the self-pollution demo. and maybe an unkind isn't > ben's best. but there *are* some strong tracks on the album, which may > not stand as tall as fourth of july or slaves and bulldozers when their > greatest hits package is being put together, but are certainly still good > *soundgarden* songs in their own right. > > to me, the slower songs like overfloater, tighter and butow aren't > thin and do have depth. maybe the reason they don't go over so well is > because the emotion isn't just anger anymore. sure, beyond the wheel is a > fantastic song. but as much as I like limo wreck and jesus christ pose, I > think that if the album was simply 16 tracks of crushing guitars and > unbridled emotion things would get boring very quickly. give me a little > variety and I'll be a happy listener, and dotu certainly has that. > > I think it would be difficult for the band to ever assemble a > group of songs like the twelve on badmotorfinger again. we can pine all we > want, but let's face facts; a band can only put together a record like > that once, maybe twice, in it's life. so even though I honestly enjoy the > album for what it is, I ask this - are we seeing a band in decline? have > they gone over the hill already? was bmf the pinnacle or is there still > more left in the soundgarden bag? > To answer your last question first: no. I personally do not think that their new album is worse than any of their others or anything like that. I'm of the opinion that everything they have ever put out has been exemplary. It'd be very difficult for me to pick an album and say it was "worse" than any others (or whatever). I just enjoy the whole SG experience, as put fourth in EVERY single one of their records - its an experience which is inimitable - a sound that cannot be replicated by any other band in quite the same way. SG really is a very unique and individual band. And as for them being "over the hill". Not only can I not understand how anybody can ask such a question, but I believe that the only time that band'll ever be "over the hill" is when they stop putting out records. As long as they're still writing amazing songs like many of those found on ANY of their albums or EPS, then they'll never be "over the hill", in my opinion. Soundgarden are one of those rare Rock bands with an almost immortal quality about them. Even if they did die (as in split up), their music wouldn't. Ever, - -me ------------------------------ From: new wave biscuit Subject: Re: just add it up to the hot rod death toll... On Tue, 24 Sep 1996, Tonerkin wrote: > I think they are four very talented men. I think they don't want to > get stuck in a rut of playing the same music over and over again. They are > writing songs that are not like BMF songs because they as people are not in > the same place they were in 1991. I certainly am not doing the exact same > things every day that I did 5 years ago. God, how dreadfully boring and > unfulfilling that would be. toni > Amen. Stagnation certainly isn't the way forward for *any* band. They could've done like Slayer (random example) and put out virtually the same album over and over again, but I really don't think that they'd want to somehow - and fair play to 'em for not wanting to. They have matured, they're different people, life changes people with time and such change is reflected in the mood of their music compared to what it used to be. I'm just interested in seeing where they go from here. It could only get better!! - -me ------------------------------ From: Nancy E Meyers Subject: videos Does anyone know where you can get a copy of the video for "Outshined"? I remember seeing it when it came out years ago and I saw a little bit of it on Beavis and Butthead, but I haven't seen the full video in so long and I've become a big soundgarden fan since then. ------------------------------ From: James D Seymour Subject: BHS # 2 Ray (UnknMan@aol.com) I have the second single from Germany as I am sure many fans on the list have. I found mine at a record show that blew through town. I'm sure if you checked out some local stores they could inform you on similar shows going through your town. Jamie - ----I've been caught in a Mind Riot ----- ------------------------------ From: alexander ebora Subject: albums it took to reach my destination although this would be kind of late, i want to share this with you sommsters: last friday, 9/20, i tried to time my bus travel from the bus station near my college to port authority in manhattan. the trip took exactly one badmotorfinger album, one superunknown album, and one Blind Dogs song. walking away to the subway, i then listened to a SG interview i had on tape when they were promoting DOTUP...on my return trip to college i tried to time my trip by many NIRVANA albums. fyi, it took one one Nevermind, one In Utero, one Bleach and since i ran out of NIRVANA album at hand, i tried to continue to time the trip by my SG album (Screaming Life). i went to about a couple of lines of LITTLE JOE until i reached the bus station. note: the first trip included bus station to port authority the return trip included trip to the port authority by subway. NEVER_NAMED ------------------------------ From: James D Seymour Subject: Seth's remarks Seth, I couldn't agree more. I love Superunknown and DOTU, but they don't move me the way Badmotorfinger, Ultramega O.K., and Louder Than Love do. I am especially partial to Badmotorfinger. I do enjoy the toned down songs, especially "Fell on Black Days." However, nothing can beat sitting in your house with the windows up in the fall and having Somewhere, Mind Riot, Drawing Flies, JCP, etc... blaring at airliner level decibells. What I am interested in knowing is which people like which albums and why. I wonder if there is a trend say in peoples age and which album they enjoy the most. For instance I am 24 (not too old and not too young) and I prefer BMF. I am curious to see if younger listers enjoy the more recent albums. Just curious. Jamie ---Chris Cornell would have made a decent football player. The grief and agression have to be vented somewhere!---- ------------------------------ From: Stardog Subject: Madrid Finally, I saw SOUNDGARDEN in Madrid opening for Metallica. Here is the setlist: (no order) Rusty Cage Outshined Slaves & Bulldozers Searching With My Good Eye Closed Let Me Drown My Wave Chris Cornell solo version of Black Hole Sun Spoonman Kickstand Pretty Noose Ty Cobb Never Named An Unkind This is the second time I saw Soundgarden live. The best was the first time I saw them in 1992 in Sevilla with Faith No More And Guns n'Roses ------------------------------ From: Joe Cennamo Subject: Re: Professor Jesus Freak On Tue, 24 Sep 1996, new wave biscuit wrote: > On Mon, 23 Sep 1996, Joe Cennamo wrote: > > > Actually I am 15, I have plenty of friends. > > That explains a hell of a lot. Lets just leave it at that. :| > > > -me okay joec ------------------------------ From: Deborah Baker <106314.1470@compuserve.com> Subject: Re:Spin letters Subject: Re: best b-side and best album new wave biscuit wrote: > BTW, just a trivial point. I listened to DotU the other night > whilst I was stoned and it sounded A-M-A-Z-I-N-G!! If there are any > tokers out there who haven't tried it, then I suggest you do. In fact, > listeniing to most SG when you're stoned is cool, but that album in > particular just struck me as being completely awesome at the time!! > > -me Hmmm... not that I know what your talking about... , but zero chance, overfloater and tighter & tighter are great... however I wish they would drag out the soft chorus 'sleep tight for me...' longer ,at the end, instead of jumping back into it hardcore. Other good buzz songs include: Nothing to Say Power Trip beyond the wheel Head Down and most all of BMF... Later, Taylor ------------------------------ From: Scroggin Subject: Re: Bowling with Riki Misty Shaw wrote: > > Another piece of Soundgarden history: Does anybody remember when > Soundgarden was on Headbanger's Ball?(months before it went off the air) > Chris and the Gang were bowling with Riki Rachtman. It was an episode that > made you feel good, because the episode showed Soundgarden as a humble > band, with goofy antics. It was also during the time that Superunknown was > becoming popular, and Chris got his new haircut. When asked by Riki about > his new hair, Chris just groaned, like Metallica when they came back with > new hairdos. > If anybody wants to know what ever happened to Riki Rachtman, he > did a radio show in L.A. on KROQ called Loveline, which he did > simultaneously with Headbanger's Ball, commuting from L.A. to New York. > Some of you in the States may listen to it now, but the show now contains > Dr. Drew and Adam Carolla, sans Riki. He left his 2 years from Loveline to > get his own radio show on another station in L.A. The show is very cool, > and shows a side of Riki that Headbanger's Ball watchers didn't see. Does > anybody miss Headbanger's Ball? I miss all the hard Soundgarden videos > that eMTyV used to play; now they just play commercial-pop-"alternative" > crap. > > -- > Orange Coast College Costa Mesa California ahhhhhhh its posts like this that make me glad im on the list. yes i saw that episode.. and where is riki now?? & yes i very much miss HEADBANGERS BALL. - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Cause, fear is strong, & loves for everyone who isn't me." - Chris Cornell ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: BdMtrFngr Subject: Re: hey hey my my... rock and roll can never die The first song they played was blind dogs, which is released on the Basketball Diaries soundtrack. Also, AIC didn't play, it was Mad Season. Later J On Tue, 24 Sep 1996, Misty Shaw wrote: > Hey, SOMMS members! Did you listen to Pearl Jam when they took over > alternative radio stations nationally in January of 1995?(I think this is > the date, and they were on about 4 hours.) They had guests, Such as > Mudhoney, Alice In Chains, and Soundgarden. Well, what I want to know if > anybody recorded it. I have the full performance of Soundgarden during the > show, and they performed songs in this order: > 1.(a song I can't remember) > 2. Fell On Black Days > 3. No Attention > 4. Kyle Petty, Son of Richard > If anyone has this performance on record, could you please tell me the name > of the first song on the list. It's really bitchin', but I'm going frantic > because I don't know the name of this song. It may be on Soundgarden's > first 3 releases, but as of now, I don't have the money to get them. > > -- > Orange Coast College Costa Mesa California > > > ------------------------------ From: infinite Subject: old, new fav i don't know about anyone else.. but at first (read up until right here = lately) i didn't like "like suicide".. then i heard somewhere that it = suppose to be about a bird.. so i go back and listen and just imagine it = being sung over a dead bird.. grisly idea, but it opened the song up for = me and i really like it now.. and i understand (i think.. ??) the flying = part in the lyrics... hope i can listen to the acoustic version soon.. infinite ps seth, i was kind of surprised at yer message about newer sg songs.. = it just surprised me... i do see what yer talking about though.. since = i've gotten all of the earlier sg albums.. i don't listen to DOTU as = much.. it just doesn't seem to hold up to earlier stuff, it's weird, and = i'm not sure i like it... ------------------------------ From: mshaw@lib.occ.cccd.edu (Misty Shaw) Subject: Re: hey hey my my... rock and roll can never die Hey, SOMMS members! Did you listen to Pearl Jam when they took over alternative radio stations nationally in January of 1995?(I think this is the date, and they were on about 4 hours.) They had guests, Such as Mudhoney, Alice In Chains, and Soundgarden. Well, what I want to know if anybody recorded it. I have the full performance of Soundgarden during the show, and they performed songs in this order: 1.(a song I can't remember) 2. Fell On Black Days 3. No Attention 4. Kyle Petty, Son of Richard If anyone has this performance on record, could you please tell me the name of the first song on the list. It's really bitchin', but I'm going frantic because I don't know the name of this song. It may be on Soundgarden's first 3 releases, but as of now, I don't have the money to get them. - -- Orange Coast College Costa Mesa California ------------------------------ From: mshaw@lib.occ.cccd.edu (Misty Shaw) Subject: Re: Bowling with Riki Another piece of Soundgarden history: Does anybody remember when Soundgarden was on Headbanger's Ball?(months before it went off the air) Chris and the Gang were bowling with Riki Rachtman. It was an episode that made you feel good, because the episode showed Soundgarden as a humble band, with goofy antics. It was also during the time that Superunknown was becoming popular, and Chris got his new haircut. When asked by Riki about his new hair, Chris just groaned, like Metallica when they came back with new hairdos. If anybody wants to know what ever happened to Riki Rachtman, he did a radio show in L.A. on KROQ called Loveline, which he did simultaneously with Headbanger's Ball, commuting from L.A. to New York. Some of you in the States may listen to it now, but the show now contains Dr. Drew and Adam Carolla, sans Riki. He left his 2 years from Loveline to get his own radio show on another station in L.A. The show is very cool, and shows a side of Riki that Headbanger's Ball watchers didn't see. Does anybody miss Headbanger's Ball? I miss all the hard Soundgarden videos that eMTyV used to play; now they just play commercial-pop-"alternative" crap. - -- Orange Coast College Costa Mesa California ------------------------------ From: DAVID DEBOLT Subject: misc. debris hello everyone-i'm new to SOMMS and this is my first time writing in. i just wanted to put in my two cents, here goes: I was lucky enough to see our favorite ass kickers in concert in 1994 on the superunknown tour in Los Angeles. without a doubt, that was one of the most power packed performances i have ever seen. when they started out with jesus christ pose-i got tears in my eyes. it was awesome. As with many people, I got hooked after hearing BMF and wondered why i had not heard of SG before then. Also, i must have been lucky because when i bought BMF, they had the re-issue with SOMMS and i got it. Unfortunatly, i'm not quite sure what to think of the new album. it has some great songs and the lyrics are fine as usuall, but i just can't get into listening to it like the others. Well, thats what i thought of superunknown when i first got in, but now i think it rocks-so maybe there is hope. As of now, there are no concert dates for the San Francisco area but im sure this is the place to be to find out when tickets go on sale, etc. i know your watching out for us out here, thanks. Well, that will do it for now- Ijust wanted to write in and say "hello" later days- dave d ------------------------------ From: Monnica Lewis Subject: Re: hey hey my my... rock and roll can never die Yea, I taped that! : - ) Only the first song, Blind Dogs, one of my favs, is cut off. Can you believe it - I couldn't find a blank tape fast enough : - ( The only studio recording of this that I know of is on the Basketball Diaries Soundtrack, last song side two. (Not that I'm obsessed or anything.) ---------- From: mshaw To: somms Subject: Re: hey hey my my... rock and roll can never die Date: Tuesday, September 24, 1996 1:38PM Hey, SOMMS members! Did you listen to Pearl Jam when they took over alternative radio stations nationally in January of 1995?(I think this is the date, and they were on about 4 hours.) They had guests, Such as Mudhoney, Alice In Chains, and Soundgarden. Well, what I want to know if anybody recorded it. I have the full performance of Soundgarden during the show, and they performed songs in this order: 1.(a song I can't remember) 2. Fell On Black Days 3. No Attention 4. Kyle Petty, Son of Richard If anyone has this performance on record, could you please tell me the name of the first song on the list. It's really bitchin', but I'm going frantic because I don't know the name of this song. It may be on Soundgarden's first 3 releases, but as of now, I don't have the money to get them. -- Orange Coast College Costa Mesa California ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: just add it up to the hot rod death toll... On Tue, 24 Sep 1996, blind dog wrote: > in some ways I agree with all the dotu-haters of the list, but I > think that the record is actually better than the respect it is given. I > agree that kim's first solo on rhinosaur leans a little to the buttrock > side, but so what? the song's main riff is great, and if kim wants to grow > his hair (beard?) a little longer on that solo, then let him. it is only > one song off the record. I certainly don't write off screaming life > because I don't like little joe (the song). > > I know that there are some weak songs on the record. dusty can > only go around a couple of times before it gets boring. no attention > doesn't live up to the self-pollution demo. and maybe an unkind isn't > ben's best. but there *are* some strong tracks on the album, which may > not stand as tall as fourth of july or slaves and bulldozers when their > greatest hits package is being put together, but are certainly still good > *soundgarden* songs in their own right. amen, justin. DotU still stands up for me on weekly listens, and there isn't a "argh! i can't stand it!" song on the album for me. i am most definitely not one of the DotU haters. in fact, i think that this album will stand out later on when we look back at the history of soundgarden as one of their finest, of the moment where the band truly set out on the road to their own identity. remember, they produced this record themselves -- this was truly their first opportunity to do whatever they wanted, without the watchful eye of a producer. yes, some of the songs are probably experiments, or 'lets see if we can pull THIS off', but so what? this is what they have to say to us at the moment. > I think it would be difficult for the band to ever assemble a > group of songs like the twelve on badmotorfinger again. we can pine all we > want, but let's face facts; a band can only put together a record like > that once, maybe twice, in it's life. so even though I honestly enjoy the > album for what it is, I ask this - are we seeing a band in decline? have > they gone over the hill already? was bmf the pinnacle or is there still > more left in the soundgarden bag? no, i think we are only seeing the beginning. they haven't even started to hit their stride yet. and pardon the pearl jam comparison, but i feel the same way about 'no code' that i do 'DotU' -- finally, we are beginning to see what is at the heart of the band, what is at their core. they are just beginning to show us what they are made of. and i wouldn't write off another bmf, either. i think you're right, justin -- the emotion may not be anger, but look at someone like neil young, who i had written off years ago during his 'experimental' stage -- he managed to come back and make records that are every bit as powerful and moving as he did in the early 70's. soundgarden have it in them; let's hope they continue to have faith in themselves, because that is what will allow this to happen. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: spierce@mpls.k12.mn.us (Sandy Pierce) Subject: all the warmth in her heart... just a few things to touch on today.. about chris cornell lookalikes - i was at this local music club once about two years ago and i saw a guy working there who looked so much like chris i spent the whole night following him around (with only my eyes of course!) at first glance i had a heart attack cuz i thought it WAS him, but then after staring much harder i noticed some differences. he had dark curly/dredlock type hair, a little too messy for chris nowadays, and he looked to be about 25 (not that chris doesn't most of the time, but the guy looked younger than him). but his face, eyes, and all looked so much like him. he also had both ears pierced (ahhh). well anyway, that's the only lookalike i've ever seen. my sister saw some guy once and shouted "isn't that your soundgarden guy!?" but it wasn't even a close match. i think my friend peter looks a lot like matt. it's strange, every time i see matt i think of peter, but i see peter everyday and he rarely makes me think of matt. - -and another thing, people are doing all this talking about soundgarden bootlegs, but i have never seen any in stores anywhere! if any one knows where i could get my hands on some things like that please let me know. i also never see any older singles anywhere, the only i have ever come across is the flower single. o.k. no more to say. amanda (is it strange that i think about soundgarden all day?) ------------------------------ From: jcho@discovernet.net (Joshua Cho) Subject: RE: don't like, hate >As SG are one of my favourite bands, I never thought there would ever be >a Soundgarden song I did not like, but "Half" from Superunknown has to be >(IMHO) the worst song they have ever ewritten. I do not know how anybody >could possibly like it. It sounds like Indian resturant background >music. > >- -me I love that song. Ben's got to have the most eclectic background of any of the members of SG. "Half a chance, half a chance, we still have a chance" --Ben Shepard - - - me2 ------------------------------ From: Dicknail@aol.com Subject: Re: Sub Pop 200 worth buying?? my opinion??? YES. YESYESYES.... Sex God Missy by TAD is just awesome... but add that to Spank Thru by Nirvana... thats GOTTA be one of my favorites already... although im not completely in love with Sub Pop Rock City by SG... its good anyway...i like listening to it... "i wish i knew how to dance!" [who says that anyway?? anyone?] the fastbacks cover a green river song, mudhoney does The Rose [heheh i love it] screaming trees play Love or Confusion [another favorite] and of course i love ANYTHING by steve fisk [ask me why i have no idea...just DO.] the walkabouts song [got no chains] is also great...anyway im sure you get the point.. im done. back to lurkerdom... DykeNail ------------------------------ From: "Josh Broedel" Subject: Re: best SG line come on now 8>) "words you say, never seem to live up to the ones inside your head" from TDITTL has got to be the best line, in fact, that song is full of great lyrics. ______________ Come on in and take me on an override ______________ dashoshe@neca.com http://www.neca.com/~dashoshe ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: like dying soldiers... On Tue, 24 Sep 1996, Tonerkin wrote: > I think they are four very talented men. I think they don't want to > get stuck in a rut of playing the same music over and over again. They are > writing songs that are not like BMF songs because they as people are not in > the same place they were in 1991. I certainly am not doing the exact same > things every day that I did 5 years ago. God, how dreadfully boring and I'm not sure you understood what I was saying, toni. I fully realise that the band is not the same as the one sub-popping on earlier records. and I certainly wouldn't want to hear them write the same music as they wrote and recorded for badmotorfinger. that would, of course, become boring very quickly (which I think I alluded to in my original post), and would make one of the most exciting and inventive bands of our time into a duller and far less interesting version of themselves. neither of us wants to hear a 'karaoked' bodydouble of bmf-era soundgarden. what I was actually wondering is whether soundgarden can ever assemble a group of songs like the twelve on badmotorfinger, an album that many listers have indicated as their favourite album. it seems to me that even though it is not my favourite sg record, there is not a bad song to be found anywhere on the album, and that this would be a pretty difficult task to accomplish album after album. to make a comparison - I would argue that some of the songs on dotu (an unkind, rhinosaur and dusty), while still being good songs in their own right, are not as strong as even the worst song on badmotorfinger (being, imho, face pollution). in the end I'm not asking for soundgarden to make their next record badmotorfinger mk II. I'm quite happy with variety and their attempts to experiment a little in the studio (think of what matt would have done with applebite if it would have been written in 1991). but I wonder if the band can ever record another album that can, within the confines of only 12 songs, be as comprehensive or concise as the masterwork that badmotorfinger surely is. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: "Ella''" Subject: Re: best SG line At 07:58 PM 9/24/96 -0400, you wrote: >come on now 8>) "words you say, never seem to live up to the ones inside >your head" from TDITTL has got to be the best line, in fact, that song is >full of great lyrics. I agree 100%. What about "the lifes we make never seem to ever get us anywhere but death"? Just great! Bye Mariana ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: come together with your hands... On Mon, 23 Sep 1996, Phelan, Kate wrote: > to use my personal CD player. I brought BMF, SU, and DOTU, and the worst > sound quality has to go to Superunknown. I wish to GOD it was produced > clearer; it was almost painful to hear "mailman" with all the static on CC's > voice, when he screams "riding....all the way", just was frustrating. But surely not, kate! the distortion absolutely *makes* that song for me. I love how chris' voice spits and snarls all over the place; it gives the lyrics far more depth than could have been found through nice clean production (as I write this burden is on the radio, and I'm sure that there is *no* way that mailman would sound even partially good with the clean vocals that feature on that song). it would be lame if all those pounding toms, sludgey guitars and swooping mellotrons came on and then chris came out singing in a nice soapy voice, a la seasons or something like that. I think the distortion is the whole point of that song, but I imagine that not everyone can like the song/style. btw for australian listers, helen razor, in all her musical wisdom, managed to blurt at the end of burden "what is he saying there? is it I lost my hair again? you just never know what is going on in the mind of chris cornell". what a music guru she is... ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: COCHRAN_BONNIE/SBCTC@ctc.ctc.edu Subject: Some Stories... I was at a tav last night and ran into Chris, a friend of mine, and it happened to be his birthday. We bought him and his brother a few beers and bs'd. On Sunday Chris and I had talked about SG so he knew I was a fan and he liked them too. (Kinda thought he was like that the first time I met him.) He told me a story but I had to hear it again last night. Coincidentally, he sort of looks like Chris, but in a softer baby-faced version and his bro looks like Charlie on Party of Five...but I digress... So we're talking about SG and he says he saw them a long time ago (88-89?). I butt in and proceed to tell him of the shows that I've seen. But then we get back to his story, since he seems to think I need to hear it. So he tells me about being in downtown Olympia by the Capitol Theater. He's drinking a beer and some guy walks up to him and asks if he'd like to get in to see the show. He says yeah. The guy says, if you give me your beer I'll give you a ticket. My friend Chris says sure and gives the guy a beer, who proceeds to chug it and throw the can over his shoulder. Once he's inside and the band takes the stage, he realizes that it was CC himself who gave him the ticket and chugged his beer. I thought that was cool. And I thought I must have sounded pretty stupid trying to tell him ALL about the times I'd seen SG and my wonderful fan knowledge, and he's actually talked to the guy. Oh well. He understood. ;-) We also hit two old 'haunts' downtown and I noticed both had the best selection of music on their jukeboxes. I mean The Eastside Club had SuperUnk, BMF, TOTD and Screaming Life, if not one more. Plus a multitude of other good cds from various bands. The other place, 4th Ave Tav, had the same minus Screaming Life but including Seasons. Maybe more, I need to hang out and check. The Eastside Club also has these posters on the walls from shows that have been in town. One was for Nirvana at the 2nd Annual Lakefair Jam, which was (still is) free. It was from 1988. I've got to check those out too. I know they've got at least one for SG. Anyway, I punch in Rusty Cage and a few other choice tunes and my buddy comes running up saying, I knew it was you at the jukebox the second the song came on! And we proceeded to enjoy the songs and appreciate the volume that the tav had their juke turned to. Usually you've got to beg and plead with them to turn it up ever so slightly for one song. Anyway, just wondered if anyone else runs into similar exceptional selections on their local jukeboxes, especially where SG is concerned. My regular tav has not one single SG song. It gets those 'Rock' compilations and there's one that has a PJ and AIC song. I need to get out more often! Oh, and I met another guy, Matt, right before Lolla who owns a shop here selling all kinds of cool shit like tshirts, Docs, etc. We were talking and I mentioned something about SG, as I usually try to do when I run into anyone who I think is remotely cool on the off chance that they know who SG is and may even possibly be into them too. A few years ago he'd met a friend of his at a Black Angus in someplace like Kirkland, I don't know what suburb type place of Seattle it was. But they're sitting at a table with a few guys having some beers and bs'ing. Later one of the guys leaves and just before the band takes the stage, he realizes the guy who took off was CC. After the set, Chris comes back to the table and Matt is too dumbfounded to say a word to him. I think this was the time he'd shaved his head, so he really didn't recognize who he was before hand. Both said he was a nice, cool guy. Maybe one day, I'll have my own little "meeting Chris story" to tell. I went out looking for Hater (which has to be special ordered) and found the Pretty Noose Part 2 of a 2 cd set with a little sticker that says limited edition collectors slip box with free album poster, 3 new tracks plus band interview. So what's on Part 1?? I'd go check the page, although that would now be unethical of me to do at work since I've been told it's off limits, even if it is on my own time. I'm trying hard to stay away, but it's killing me. So if I come out with questions easily answered by a browse on the page, please try to understand I could get fined $5,000 for it. Hopefully they'll devise a different policy and this will all get worked out soon. God, sorry for such a long one!! Thanks and later! Bonnie ------------------------------ From: SkyVista96@aol.com Subject: C. Love I know I've already had my one post for the week, but I just saw something on MTV so I had to say stuff about it and I'm really, really sorry if this was discussed when this interview first came out. They're rerunning the Hole Unplugged thing and the whole Hole (ha, that came out weird, huh) interview. Courtney Love was talking about she is in an upcoming dumb movie called Feelin' Minnisota (she called it dumb, I haven't seen it). Then she said, "oops, did I say dumb. It's not dumb, well it's only dumb because the lyrics came from a Soundgarden song and there's no g on the end of feelin'" or something pretty close to that. I sure hope that she was referring to the no g on the end of feelin' and not that the lyrics that the title was taking from or the SG song were dumb. Not that I really value her opinion on anything, it's just that if she took a shot at SG, then I'm offended. If not then I watched the majority of that interview again and got absolutely nothing out of it (yet again). But I do have a question for anybody who knows. I saw the movie's title on a board outside a movie theater and it said Feeling Minnisota. So does the actual title have the g or not? That was a stupid question, but I had to wrap up this post somehow. Amber ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: Article comments... =) Sabrina writes: >(And for those, who really care, he is wearing a DKNY shirt...,-yes >DKNY- in another picture) Ummm... what is UP with Chris and his new fashion thing? DKNY?!? What's next?!? Tommy Hilfiger?!? Guess?!? AAAAUUUGGHHH!!! Ummm... sorry. I'm just REALLY not into that kind of stuff. Damn him. Next thing you know, HE'LL be turning up in a Calvin Klein ad. Ummm... but wait... would that be so bad? Hmmmm... on one hand, I'd HATE to see Chris lowering himself to that level. But on the other hand, I'd LOVE (understatement) to see Chris in his underwear. ;-) Okay... I'll shut up now before I get myself in trouble. Heheheh... just a thought. Shroom Check out this really rad Chris Cornell web page put up by our very own beloved Caryn. She rules!! http://www.nwlink.com/~clr/temple.htm A couple of my favorite lines from SG songs: "I made ya get down on your hands and knees..." "One last sin before I'm dead..." ------------------------------ From: Josh_Garza@teachnet.edb.utexas.edu (Josh Garza) Subject: Re(2): best SG line dashoshe@neca.com,Internet writes: come on now 8>) "words you say, never seem to live up to the ones inside your head" from TDITTL has got to be the best line, in fact, that song is full of great lyrics. _____________________________________ i have to agree for one of my favorite SG lyrics.... i have the whole song TDITTL as a quote in my little online local resume.... ONE MORE TIME AROUND MIGHT DO IT.......... THE DAY I TRIED TO LIVE I WALLOWED IN THE BLOOD AND MUD WITH ALL THE OTHER PIGS AND I LEARNED THAT I WAS A LIAR AND I LEARNED THAT I WAS A LIAR AND I LEARNED THAT I WAS A LIAR JUST LIKE YOU - -- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- TeachNet, College of Education, University of Texas, Austin Texas - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: Josh_Garza@teachnet.edb.utexas.edu (Josh Garza) Subject: Re: Some Stories... sorry, i don't have access to the page AT ALL, so what 3 new tracks are on the 2of2 PNoose single...? IF i could find any of these, which should i buy considering i dont have all the money to spend right now..... the Burden in my Hand cd set, or the Pretty Noose cd set mentioned above...? all iknow is that they both have posters and Burden single has karoake...right..?? thanx - -pencapchew ________________________________________ COCHRAN_BONNIE/SBCTC@ctc.ctc.edu,Internet writes: I went out looking for Hater (which has to be special ordered) and found the Pretty Noose Part 2 of a 2 cd set with a little sticker that says limited edition collectors slip box with free album poster, 3 new tracks plus band interview. - -- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- TeachNet, College of Education, University of Texas, Austin Texas - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: Aldrich Subject: Bloodloss (was: Halloween at the OK Hotel!) >'OCTOBER 31: HALLOWEEN AT THE OK HOTEL, FEATURING DEAD MOON, HATER AND >BLOODLOSS' > >if it was;n't awesome ENOUGH being able to see hater, dead moon are one of >the northwest's *best* bands, kick butt live, and bloodloss is mark arm >from the former mudhoney's new band, who are supposed to be great live, >just haven't made it to see them yet. My Bestfriends' band opened for them (Who actually opened for Sister Psychic) about 3 months ago at the Redmond (not Ballard) Firehouse. They Rock! After their set me and the rest of the guys in the band talked to Mark Arm for a while. One of us asked if the whole Mudhoney thing was still going on. He seemed pretty sure that they were still together but that they just took a break. Considering both Bloodloss and Mudhoney played at Bumbershoot this month I would say that it is still happening. Mark's a pretty cool guy. Bloodloss is definately worth seeing! ---Ryland ------------------------------ From: Aldrich Subject: Re: Searching for an intro . . . >Question (yet another!): Those of you who have seen SG live, and have seen >them perform Searching with My Good Eye Closed, I was wondering (as someone >who hasn't) - Do they play the intro? Or do they just go straight into the >verse? I have never seen them play Searching live but it is on a couple of my bootlegs. One of them has the full intro with "This is my good eye!" and everything. The other one goes straight into the song. Hope I could be of some assistance. ---Ryland ------------------------------ From: Aldrich Subject: All this flamin' [Not much Sg] Please Read. I would like to say something to hopefully put to rest this flame war. I am aware of the fact that this is not SG related but it is list related and I think it should be said. Please do not flame me for this. I would like to speak up in the defense of Joe Cennamo. I think that everyone has the right to live and would never wish death and/or pain/eternal pain on anyone but I think that what Joe said was only a joke in very bad taste. Joe has admirably spoken up in his defense saying that it was only a joke and I believe that everyone should be able to forgive him for his comments. What I am very disturbed by are the comments being made that Joe is making racist remarks and (this apawls me greatly) "spreading KKK propaganda." How dare someone say that one of our fellow Soundgarden Listmembers is "spreading KKK propaganda" by making a comment, no matter in how questionable of taste, that he was glad that a certain "Gangsta'" rap artist was dead. The Ku Klux Klan are a group of Evil, Racist people that believe that is their duty to murder non white-arayn people. This is a Huge insult, especially to a 15 year old boy that is still maturing and who's comments from his peers can greatly influence his life. I believe that all parties are at fault and that apologies could have easily remedied this situation a while ago. I do not see any reason why Joe should be kicked off the list. Thank you for allowing me to express my opinions. ---Ryland Aldrich aldrich@nwlink.com ------------------------------ From: vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu (Vasant Ramamurthy) Subject: Re: dont like, hate >From: Aleko >Well i don't like I awake and the one Hiro sings Circle of Power (i >think). Hate is too strong a word to use really, i hate Billy Ray Cyrus' >music but i could never hate any Soundgarden songs. Well i could >but i don't see it ever happening. Oh man, Circle of Power?! You just stabbed me in the heart! :-) I love that song! I'd hafta say mine are Mood For Trouble, Drawing Flies, and that's about it. Vasant ****************************************************************************** THE REFUGE OF THE DAMNED - Check out lots o' music stuff here!! http://ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu/~vman/me.html vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu "When new damage comes, it's a new word for plague, a new world order, a new word for hate" - New Damage - Soundgarden ------------------------------ From: Geoff Kleemola Subject: Re: videos Watch for it on Seth's website in the upcoming weeks/months. ;) Geoff On Tue, 24 Sep 1996, Nancy E Meyers wrote: > Does anyone know where you can get a copy of the video for "Outshined"? > I remember seeing it when it came out years ago and I saw a little bit of > it on Beavis and Butthead, but I haven't seen the full video in so long > and I've become a big soundgarden fan since then. > > ------------------------------ From: The Guitarist-2001 Subject: Re: dont like, hate At 05:44 AM 9/23/96 +0000, SCOTT MICHAEL MORROW wrote: >is it possible for a list member to not like or even hate a recorded >soundgarden song. Personally i do not, but it would be interesting to >hear if anyone does, please give reasons to your hatred. Gee . . . SG songs that I DON'T like? hmm . . . .ok: Never Named - It just doesn't seem like Soundgarden to me. I particularly don't like that chorus line "I'm just a baby who looks like a boy"- the way it's sung, everything. Half - Well I don't HATE this song . . . and I kinda' like the guitarring, but I'm not particularly fond of the vocals/lyrics. Ben should do an instrumental. The only lyrics I like of Ben's are Somewhere, but I like all his songs instrumentally. Motorcycle Loop - Contained on my one and only SG single, FOBD. I thought it would kick ass because it said "Lyrics - Kim Thayil." The thought didn't occur to me that it didn't say who the music was by...C'mon Kim! You're a guitarist! You need guitars, not motorcycles, backing up your lyrics! (what in heck ARE the lyrics? How can you tell it HAS lyrics?) Haven't heard much of Ultramega OK or Screaming life/FOPP . . . well, none of Screaming Life/Fopp . . . and I always get the songs off LTL mixed up, so I think there are some there that I don't like, but I'm not sure of their names . . . also getting a little bored with Pretty Noose . . . The Guitarist-2001 P.S. I was just noticing how few guitar solos there are on BMF . . . I think that's the one thing that prevents that from being their best album for me . . . "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist" - The Usual Suspects http://members.aol.com/dczoner - Soundgarden=band of the month! (not my page...friend's...w/ soon-to-be a little help from me...any suggestions for a guitar page?) ------------------------------ From: Eliza J Polly Subject: RE: Some Stories... >IF i could find any of these, which should i buy the Burden in my Hand cd set, or the Pretty Noose cd I have both box sets and i would say to definitely get BiMH ....it has Karaoke, Bleed Together (my new fav. b-side, for now), She's a Politician, the CC Interview and a much much much better poster...*sigh* ------------------------------ From: Ross Filipek Subject: Hater. . . I just listened to the Hater record for the first time in the last five months. I had almost forgotten just how cool it is. I was wondering which Hater songs would sound good if covered by Soundgarden. Certainly "Roadside" and "Circles," but probably not "Down Undershoe" or "Blistered." What do you guys think? Some of the tracks sound like they require a pretty "delicate" touch to play. Not that Soundgarden isn't a very dynamic band, but they might be guilty of overkill if they tried to cover some of the Hater tunes. That's what I think (today), at least. Ross "It's 106 miles to Chicago. We've got a full tank of gas, half a packet of cigarettes, it's dark and we're wearing sunglasses. Hit it." --Joliet Jake and Elwood Blues ------------------------------ From: Kazam Ali Subject: Searching as an Intro..... Hey everyone, I don't post very often, but here are a few of my blurps... Does ANY avid guitar player out there have a comprehensive TAB of Birth Ritual???!!! If so, can I get a copy? Second question...I think I asked this before, but no one replied...A friend of mine keeps on telling me that there is a quick sound clip of an acoustic "Spoonman" in the movie, "Singles." Is this true? and if it is, where in the hell does it play?? I rented it a few weeks ago, but couldn't hear the track, the only acoustic number was "Seasons."! In response to The Guitarist's question about SG's using Searching as an intro....In the last two times I've seen SG in concert, Chris usually sings softly (almost whispers) the first verse"a-capella", if you will, over the top of that unmistakeable ringing G-string. Truly awesome. I've never heard them play that Speak and Spell? part, "Do you hear a cow?", "The devil says",though........I have a boot from a '94 San Jose show where they used the song in the middle of the set, BUT Chris's voice is exceptional, because of the aforementioned great opening and when he yells, not screams, at the top of his lungs, the line, "Stop your trying to bruise my mind......" Sends chills down my spine everytime! Oh yeah. By far, SG's best number is Birth Ritual. Hands down. Chris's voice is phenomenal and as someone may have mentioned before, the main guitar riff is absolutely addicting!! Worst song....Exit Stonehenge---need I say more. Thanks for readin'! Kazam ------------------------------ From: UnknMan@aol.com Subject: BHS#2 'GERMAN' version It's strange how so many people claim to have or to have seen this yet it's not on Steven's discog... only a question mark & no track listing... Anyway. If someone who has each piece could email Steven I'm sure he'd be greatly appreciated. ray (c: ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 254] ****************************************