From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 22 Aug 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 02:43:54 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Thursday, 22 Aug 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Re: ...would you cry for me? regret must weigh a ton... um... the space cadet glow... European Tickets Re: Flame wars and newbies Re: every thing I've held is what I've freed... Kim Thayil vs. the Smashing Pumpkins Why I Like Soundgarden in 200 Words or Less by C. Haun Haun The palindrome SOMMS Virus - Not a Hoax. i had a dream the other night Re: Virus - Not a Hoax. Re: Everyone please help me.. Re: whoa.. Re: "Kids" Do I have a problem? Re: Kim Thayil vs. the Smashing Pumpkins thayil vs. corgan and co... Confirmation needed Re: Why I Like Soundgarden in 200 Words or Less by C. Haun Haun the virus is real RE: Future Single and Seattle Somms Meeting news... Re: Just a tumor in my head.. clear vinyl taken... chord changes A Begging Post Re: Confirmation needed RE: i'm back!.....Ty Cobb/Face Pollution minnesotans..? (and a question about chris c.) Hater/Brian Ritchie For Euro SOMMSers... Shirtless in DC Helloooooo???!? Just a tumor in my head.. Re: where are you seth? (Best non-Cornell song) Re: A Begging Post hot tub RE: news... Re: news... Re: Kim Thayil vs. the Smashing Pumpkins Re: A Begging Post Death to my CD-ROM!! Courtesty of Alive in the Superunknown . . . Re: Song names The Pinky Thing? ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Badmotorfinger@nrunner.mil.wi.us Subject: Re: ...would you cry for me? Greg Bensimon,icscorp.com!greg,Internet writes: I think that makes it official... I must be the only person on this list actively looking for SOMMS who hasn't found it yet. AAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!! Make that two, sorry to burst your bubble :) ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: regret must weigh a ton... On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Greg Bensimon wrote: > odd, but I think the bass and drums could really be turned up a little > more through JCP... especially the drums on JCP. And I'd like to hear a > little more Ben on Outshined and Slaves and Bulldozers. it's funny that you say that greg, because just about all I hear on slaves and bulldozers other than chris' vocals is ben's bass. he works overtime in that song, and since he had a hand in writing the music that doesn't surprise me. as for more drums on jcp, on one level that seems almost impossible :) but as for the mix, I think they were going for a more chaotic feel through the thrashing of guitars and drums in equal amounts. but if they were to record that song now, with their emphasis on raising the level of drums in the mix and getting the best sound out of matt's kit, you can bet that matt would be a little more prominent. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Stella Rogers Subject: um... Remember a while back, when Soundgarden (or A&M or Silver Mgmt, whoever) filed a complaint with that company that had soundgarden.com for thier domain? Well I checked it out today, (only cuz I remember someone saying that they went to the sound garden) and I guess Soundgarden, the band, won. Cuz now the name of the site is cdjoint.com I got the bimh single today. god i hate import prices, but with bleed together and birth ritual demo i guess i got a good deal, ($12.99 us) still looking for an affordable copy of SOMMS so whoever doesn't have one you aren't alone. Oh, has anyone been to the imusic site lately? God, would it kill them to do a text version of that site??? It gets annoying waiting for all the images to load. I checked out thier FAQ and even all of that was all images! I should go an complain..anyways, i better get some sleep.. bye darlings, stella ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: the space cadet glow... On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Vasant Ramamurthy wrote: > For some reason, people on the Smashing Pumpkins list dislike Kim for > allegedly ripping on SP. One 12-year-old girl said Kim "deserves to die." > then again, Kim is pretty outspoken. Until I find evidence, I want to give > the benefit of the doubt to Kim. Anybody know anything about this? when soundgarden toured here in early 1994, they were a part of our country's lollapalooza (the big day out). on the same bill were the pumpkins. if you want one angle on the relationship between kim and billy (I'm not sure if relationship is the right word, but I'll go with it), try reading the article in the april 94 edition of spin magazine vasant. you can find it at http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/articles/spin_4-94.html btw, I read today in an old article that matt has written and recorded the soundtrack to a skateboarding movie. I'd *love* to know more, if anyone has any clues. steve? anyone? seth?? ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Warren Dyson Subject: European Tickets Hello there! Does anyone know where the hell I can get my tickets for Soundgarden, Sept 17th in Manchester. I've been looking, but I haven't seen the tickets advertised anywhere !!! Help!!!! One other thing... Is the Burden single released in the UK yet ? I asked in my local record shop, but they said they'd heard nowt about it... What's going on ? Cheers now, Warren. ------------------------------ From: neo zeed Subject: Re: Flame wars and newbies On Tue, 20 Aug 1996 oponfam@cnsnet.com wrote: > The funny thing is, I seem to remember you making a smart-ass comment > to someone who told a simple anecdote about his or her father > referring to Soundgarden as a "grunge" band. I don't much participate > in the flame wars here on the list, but for you to write this big > anti-flaming manefesto after doing some pretty petty flaming yourself > is somewhat hypocritical, IMHO. (Now I suppose you'll flame me for > pointing that out). Nah, I didn't make a smart-ass comment to anybody. All I said was "Soundgarden are not Grunge...". Admittedly, my sentence was a little ambiguous and I didn't clearly state why I made the comment, but eveybody just put two and two together and got seventy-five, leading them to assume that I was making a "smart-ass comment" (as you put it) and was trying to attack people (which I was not). Let me put it another way. I join a SG mailing list full of people, do you really think that I don't know that people on here do not see SG as a Grunge band!? Think about it!! As someone pointed out already, its best not to assume intonation into somebody's post as you can never be sure. > > When I first joined the list I read it for a while before contributing > because I was afraid of getting flamed. Actually I think this mailing > list is pretty friendly for the most part. People using the internet > have to develop a little thicker skin. I've gotten more practice with > that on the newsgroups I subscribe to, which I think are much nastier > than this mailing list. I understand the Monkees newsgroup is > "flame-free", perhaps you'd be more comfortable there. \You appear to have gotten the wrong end of the stick. I am not against being flamed, it's something that happens to everybody on the 'net at some point - a lot of newsgroups I've joined are very vicious that way and I can give as good as I can get. My objection with the flaming on here was that, initially I found the list to be unfriendly and anything I posted, whether it was antagonistic or not was either ignored or flamed. Again, let me put it another way to make it clearer for you. How would you like it if you went up to somebody in the street to ask for the time, and they just turned round and abused you for no reason? Or how about if you approached me somewhere (hypothetical example), attempted to make conversation with me, and again, I just started being rude to you, for no reason? Flaming's all well and good when there's a reason for it, but flaming for flaming's sake is a little infantile, IMHO. With this flaming situation, both sides are at fault. I must admit that sometimes I can be a little overly outspoken at times, and given that this is the internet and we all have no way of meeting each other face to face, the intentions behind a person's post and the words they used cannot really be anticipated (as I stated above, intonations cannot really be read into a person's post - although ascii smileys do go some way towards rectifying this problem). Also, we really have to consider personality types. Being the sort of person who readily admits their own faults, I will say that my impulsive and instincitve reaction to being attacked, no matter how big or small is to attack back - and to do so in a lot nastier a fashion. I admit, I really should count to ten before hitting the reply button, but that's me. At least I've admitted *my* wrongdoings. I still believe, however, that someo people around here should be a lot less trigger happy. Perhaps then outsiders would not perceive the list to be so hostile. > This list goes through periods when everyone seems a bit crabby. A bit. > If > you don't like it, just wait it out and it will change, or take it > upon yourself to start a new thread. I really don't mean to be bitchy, > but flaming people for flaming is a bit stupid. Sometimes if you > respond with self-control to a flame, especially if you do it by > private email, you can actually make a friend. A while back I got a > really nasty email flame. I responded nicely, but nice in a smart-ass > kind of way, and eventually we started communicating in a friendly way > and found we had a lot in common besides this one thing we definitely > disagreed on. I agree that there are better ways to express > disagreement than flaming, and being the target of flame-throwers can > sting, but in the real scheme of things is it really that big of a > deal? If you don't like flaming, don't do it yourself. You are not talking to somebody who's new to to the 'net so I am well aware of most of what you say, but I do appreciate your advice. Again, problems could again be solved if some people didn't presume to know it all... > A while back someone mentioned putting together a FAQ for the mailing > list. This would really be helpful for the people who don't have > access to the web. I, like Caryn, never considered that some people on > the list might not have access and did consider their questions pretty > dumb considering the abundance of info on the web page. To prevent > embarassment on all sides perhaps a FAQ would be a good idea (I know, > Seth, one more job in an endless parade of jobs). Well, to round this post off, I'd just like to bury the hatchet (somewhat more mature than continuing the flames), and I apologise FOR MY PART of the contention. I do not believe that I am completely in the right and I admit that the ambiguity of textual communication can make perceving the intentions of a person's post a little unclear, so I apologise if people have taken things I have written completely the wrong way (and many have - - the Soundgarden/Grunge thread being a good example of this). I'd like to give this list and everyone on it (including those with whom I have had private discourse) the benefit of the doubt and start again from scratch. I do not believe that everyody on here is genuinely obnoxious and hostile, but if anything, I believe we can all learn an important lesson from this whole episode. That lesson being communication and self-control. If people (including myself) were a little more careful with the way in which they communicated with others, then things would not get taken the wrong way, people would not jump to the wrong conclusions about what someone else has said and just start attacking them. So, to reiterate a point I made earlier, I have no problem with flaming, so long as it is called for. If someone started attacking and beating you simply because you attempted to talk to them, and then they turned round and said "Hah, you just can't take the heat!!", I'm sure you'd be a little annoyed. As far as I'm concerned, the subject is now closed and I'm prepared to bury the hatchet. Again, I apologise for my part in this whole silly affair. If anybody else wants to continue flaming, however, then feel free to do so. I'll just ignore you. Trying to be nice for a change, .bug ------------------------------ From: neo zeed Subject: Re: every thing I've held is what I've freed... On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Jamesetta Simpson wrote: > There are also songs that when I hear them, I remember people, places, and events in > my life. Music is just a part of my life, I guess that is why I never > understood my > family when they couldn't understand my need for it... Yeh, that happens with me as well. I can hear a song from a certian period in my life which will bring back memories of that period. Sometimes good, sometimes bad (depending on the song, the period and what ws happening in my life at the time). A good example. I band I used to like quite a lot, namely Monster Magnet I cannot listen to any more because their music brings back bad memories of an extremely fucked up period in my life. Also, some songs just make me think of some really strange things its as if the songs just puts a mental image in your head when you hear it. That's cool when that happens. The song "Applebite" on DOTU, for example makes me think of a scorched, desserted and dessolate planet which has been wiped out. Either that, or a film with two endings, the song bringing to mind the "bad ending" (ie the baddies win). .bug ------------------------------ From: Marianne84@aol.com Subject: Kim Thayil vs. the Smashing Pumpkins >For some reason, people on the Smashing Pumpkins list dislike Kim for >allegedly ripping on SP. One 12-year-old girl said Kim "deserves to die." >That's an exact quote. Needless to say, I flamed her back to the Stone Age. >Anyway, SG and SP are my 2 favorite bands, in that order, but I've never >heard or read Kim say anything bad about SP. Is this true? Does anybody >have any quotes from Kim about this? Frankly, I'm not sure which is true. >It could be one of Billy's "blame everyone and everything" mood swings, but >then again, Kim is pretty outspoken. Until I find evidence, I want to give >the benefit of the doubt to Kim. Anybody know anything about this? In the March (i think), 1994 issue of SPIN magazine with SG on the cover (i think this is on the page - if not, I have it) - SG & Smashing Pumpkins were both playing at Australia's Big Day Out festival. Billy was kind of psychoanalyzing Kim, & Kim was just being his usual self. I guess that could be taken as Kim badmouthing SP. Kim also says that they're a great band in the same article. Marianne ------------------------------ From: Candy Haun Subject: Why I Like Soundgarden in 200 Words or Less by C. Haun Haun I have been listening to at least one SG song everyday, or almost everyday, for about 7 years now. If I do miss a few days, I start having this feeling that something is wrong and will finally realize what it is. Oh, yeah, I havent heard THE MUSIC! This is especially important if I am upset or having a bad day (which has been happening a lot lately). Ty Cobb and Kyle Petty are indeed great for these occasions--nice, loud, aggressive songs with liberal use of the f-word. Yeah! I suppose it could be considered pretty juvenile when singing fuck along with the music blaring from your CD player makes you feel better....but hey, it works! > There are also songs that when I hear them, I remember people, places, > and events in my life. Music is just a part of my life, I guess that > is why I never understood my family when they couldn't understand my > need for it... I can not, for the life of me, understand how people can NOT need it! I think that music, or any other form of art for that matter, are the most worthy achievements of human kind. But music has a power, not to merely distract me from my problems, but to truly help me to handle them. Perhaps that is one reason why many of us seem to be so emotionally involved with our favorite bands. We may not know them personally, but they sure have helped us through some tough times! Everyone has their own way of dealing with stress and personal problems. Some people buy self-help books. Some people go to shrinks. Some people listen to Soundgarden. I prefer the latter. Candy ------------------------------ From: "Audrey L. Hillyard" Subject: The palindrome SOMMS The question about using SOMMS as an example of a palindrome reminded me of a lovely experience I had in IRC recently. I frequent the #chaos channel which, for those of you who don't know, is a trivia game in which two teams have one minute to list the top ten answers to the given questions. In this particular instance, the question at hand was "well-known palindromes." I of course reeled off satanoscillatemymetallicsonatas asap. My reward? Not only was it not one of the answers, but one of the channel ops warned me in a whisper about using the word "satan" on a "family channel." Sheesh! Can we say "fascist?" After that encounter, I guess I would be hesitant to let a 12 year old use it as an example at school. There are still plenty of people out there lacking that sense of humor gene. audrey a/k/a tori in IRC ------------------------------ From: ansel@morgan.com Subject: Virus - Not a Hoax. Hey fellow SOMMSers, I work in the NY office of Morgan Stanley (an international investment bank). This arrived from my IT desk via internal e-mail, marked "URGENT". -Vikki ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ The "Hare" virus (aka, "Euthanasia," "HDEuthanasia," "Krsna") is a new computer virus first reported in July as having been contracted from Internet and Usenet file downloads. IT Security Engineering has verified that Hare is not a hoax. If you have been infected, you may not know until THIS THURSDAY August 22, when Hare is scheduled to trigger. Hare overwrites the entire contents of the infected PC's hard drive when it activates. It also has September 22 as a trigger date. Although most Morgan Stanley PC's are protected with anti-virus programs, since Hare is a "polymorphic" or "stealth" virus type, a warning to users is in order. If you DO NOT have a virus scanner on your PC, you may wish to take action to get the contents of your hard drive scanned with a scanner dated August 8th or later. You should consider taking action WEDNESDAY the 21st to backup critical data files if you are at all uncertain about whether or not you might be infected. As always, you should not run or execute anything on your PC you are unsure about, or pass along as an attachment any questionable files. If you see something "weird" on Thursday when you start your machine (especially a message displayed such as "HDEuthanasia by Demon Emperor: Hare Krishna, hare, hare."), TURN YOUR PC OFF IMMEDIATELY and seek help. For questions, call your local help desk (see numbers below). ------------------------------ From: HQXH39C@prodigy.com (MR SEAN M MCELENY) Subject: i had a dream the other night last night i dreamt i was saw a video on MTV for Never Named, It was really neat, alot of squirells and bright colors, special effects in nature and at the end the whole band was sleeping on the floor under the same blanket! I think Never Named is going to be the next single, why? because BUTOW is a little too similar to BIMH and NN is alays a favorite of my non SG liking freinds.seannananana ------------------------------ From: Gonzo Subject: Re: Virus - Not a Hoax. This may help,I use this virus detection software in my work.It is called F-prot made by DATAFELLOWS.F-prot is unable to detect and disinfect The Hare virii.So,DataFellows hhave created a Utiliy which can detect and disinfect the hare virus,well that what they claim anyways.you can download a free copy of the Utility from this URL WWW.DATAFELLOWS.FI/NEWS/HARE.HTM. I have used the F-hare utility and it works,although the utility has not detected the virus on any computers I have run this on.I suppose this is good. At 10:58 AM 8/21/96 -0400, you wrote: Gonzo-Remember you you heard it from me.let me know if you use this utility and if it works or not.If any one needs any help downloading,expanding or running this ,email me privately and I will help you best I can. Gonzo-Computer Repair/Network technician > Hey fellow SOMMSers, > > I work in the NY office of Morgan Stanley (an international > investment bank). This arrived from my IT desk via internal > e-mail, marked "URGENT". > > -Vikki > >______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ > > The "Hare" virus (aka, "Euthanasia," "HDEuthanasia," > "Krsna") is a new computer virus first reported in July as > having been contracted from Internet and Usenet file > downloads. IT Security Engineering has verified that Hare > is not a hoax. If you have been infected, you may not know > until THIS THURSDAY August 22, when Hare is scheduled to > trigger. Hare overwrites the entire contents of the > infected PC's hard drive when it activates. It also has > September 22 as a trigger date. Although most Morgan > Stanley PC's are protected with anti-virus programs, since > Hare is a "polymorphic" or "stealth" virus type, a warning > to users is in order. If you DO NOT have a virus scanner on > your PC, you may wish to take action to get the contents of > your hard drive scanned with a scanner dated August 8th or > later. You should consider taking action WEDNESDAY the 21st > to backup critical data files if you are at all uncertain > about whether or not you might be infected. As always, you > should not run or execute anything on your PC you are unsure > about, or pass along as an attachment any questionable > files. If you see something "weird" on Thursday when you > start your machine (especially a message displayed such as > "HDEuthanasia by Demon Emperor: Hare Krishna, hare, hare."), > TURN YOUR PC OFF IMMEDIATELY and seek help. For questions, > call your local help desk (see numbers below). > > ------------------------------ From: spierce@ultra.mpls.k12.mn.us (Sandy Pierce) Subject: Re: Everyone please help me.. does anybody else think this is rediculous? am i the only one who doesn't care if other people don't like soundgarden? really, how does this nadia think it will change some non-soundgarden fans mind about them if he gets a bunch of mail from 500 angry SG fans? she's complaining about getting a lot of hate mail cuz of "bands she hates" so why would she wish that on someone else? if this guy doesn't like soundgarden, too bad for him. i wouldn't waste my time trying to convince someone who doesn't like them that they should. i can still go home and enjoy them even if the rest of the world doesn't. does anyone agree ? amanda ------------------------------ Subject: Re: whoa.. From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) >instead you'll see >overfloater@thenexus.com.. anyway... Always happy to see Overfloater back.. :-) >i got my shirt today. What!!!!! I'm dying here.. >some things can never be explained. Blackholes. Why your butter bread always falls butter face down. You throw something away that you have had for months, only to need it the next day. Every time SG comes to town, you are on travel. You have no money the day you find a rare copy of anything SG. Why you fall in love with the wrong people (okay I know that answer - stupidity). How you can miss the change tray at the toll booth and why does this always happen at rush hour. Your dentist has the hands the size of King Kong. Okay, seems like I'm going to meet my maker before I get these silly shirts.. I have gotten allot of mail from people saying they like the button and cap idea. Is there anyone out there willing to try this whole personal SOMMs item again? Are there people on this list we can trust - YES... Jamie (Shirtless Village Idiot) ------------------------------ From: Washagizig@aol.com Subject: Re: "Kids" A twelve year old? Then I've gotta be the oldest one on the list - 6 kids - oldest turns 23 tomorrow - the 6'3", 150 lb. "baby" is going to be 16 next month (took him to see Ozzie for his first concert). I'm the one who brought SG home first. Have HUGE collection of about everything - gotta make sure they understand the history and importance of Rock. Old Hippie Celtic Indian Just remember gang, If you ever feel the urge to do something that your parents would do, overcome the urge by heading to the nearest record store and buy an album. ------------------------------ From: Cecilia Filiplic Subject: Do I have a problem? Count me in as one of those who always has a SG tape in her car stereo. = Because I drive a diesel, my car makes a lot of noise so I end up = blasting SG tunes on my speakers. On top of that, I sing along (only = when no one else is in the car of course!). I'm sure other drivers = think I'm nuts when they see my mouth move but no one sitting next to = me! Alas, I ended up blowing out one of the car speakers, so I have an = excuse to upgrade my sound system with speakers and a CD player. If = anyone has any suggestions (not too pricey!) give me a shout! LOUD! Cecilia ------------------------------ From: Mark Miller Subject: Re: Kim Thayil vs. the Smashing Pumpkins On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Vasant Ramamurthy wrote: > For some reason, people on the Smashing Pumpkins list dislike Kim for > allegedly ripping on SP. One 12-year-old girl said Kim "deserves to die." Does anyone remember the Rolling Stone or Spin that covered that huge Aussie day out fest a few years back (2 or 3) when SG and SP played together. I remember reading the interview with SG and Billy Corgan came into the room and said some stuff and then Kim and Chris said some stuff and it didnt sound like they were getting along. Anyone remember? ------------------------------ From: jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu (grote) Subject: thayil vs. corgan and co... hey all... in response to the report on kim's unpopularity in the realm of smashing pumpkins fans... the only thing i can recall about this is an interview a while back in which kim was talking about sitting somewhere and billy c. came walking up and starting waxing poetic about the evils of rockstardom and his meaningless existence... apparently kim kind of laid into him and told him (loosely paraphrased), "look, you're having tremendous success and you completely call all of the shots for your band. you are your band. people are appreciating what you're doing. what more do you want?" i don't billy took it too kindly but i apologize because that's all i can remember... if kim has gone on a more recent rant involving the pumpkins, i'm not aware of it...if someone is, please share. i hate the smashing pumpkins and i enjoy collecting fodder to feed my hatred... :) (i won't get started on pumpking-dissing again, though...glenn and i got into that way back in december and started some nasty fights...give peace a chance, y'know...) (it is tempting, though, all this talk about sg vs. pearl jam and the pumpkins just makes me want to scour my mailreader files for my old 10+ page musical breakdowns comparing the bands in all kinds of technical arrangement categories...those were the days...i'll spare you all the agony of seeing those things again, though...) later... - -- ######################################################################## # GROTE!!!!! "I don't remember half the time # # If I'm hiding or I'm lost # # jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu But I'm on my way....." -Chris Cornell # ######################################################################## ------------------------------ Subject: Confirmation needed From: seth Anyone? - ------- Forwarded Message Date: Wed, 21 Aug 96 09:59 EDT To: saperl@MIT.EDU From: phil@lynxtelecom.com (phillip) Subject: soundgarden side project Matt Cameron plays on the first 7" by Sub Pop's Velocity Girl. I saw a show by them at Moe Cafe in Seattle and he was the drummer at the time. I haven't followed whats up with the band now but I did notice they were on tour so they do have a replacement drummer. Philip Navarre I got fuel to burn, and roads to drive. Keep on Rocking in a Free world! - ------- End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Why I Like Soundgarden in 200 Words or Less by C. Haun Haun From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) >Everyone has their own way of dealing with stress and personal problems. >Some people buy self-help books. Some people go to shrinks. Some >people listen to Soundgarden. I prefer the latter. > >Candy Quote of the week in my book... Jamie (Village Idiot) ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: the virus is real just came through our IS department... http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/hare.html gang, it's real. be careful. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: COCHRAN_BONNIE/SBCTC@ctc.ctc.edu Subject: RE: Future Single and Seattle Somms Meeting <> In response to Rhinosaur possibly being the next single, thought I'd post what the band had to say about the song when they talked to Mike Jones of KISW in Seattle. It aired on May 13 (same time as the national one did). Hopefully, the rest of the transcription will appear sometime soon on the miscellany page. ****** Mike Jones: How about Rhinosaur? Chris: Rhinosaur is Rockin! ?: We just came up with a new ending for Rhinosaur. You ll love it. CC: It s very rock concertish. MJ: Is it a big rock ending? CC: No, it s a beautiful... MJ: A la Iron Maiden? CC: No no, not like that . It s kind of more of an instrumental thing, like, uh, you ll have to be there. ?: Yeah. ?: Kim s kind of doing a jazz fusion thing. CC: Rhinosaur is one of the songs on the record where the music was completely finished and recorded without any idea of lyrics or vocals, so it was finished really near the end of the record. We never really have any idea what the record s going to be, until the very end. Until, like, we re like walk out the door and go home. And then, oh whatever we have is the record. But that s one of those cool surprises at the end of the record kind of songs. MJ: Was that a collaborative writing effort? CC: I wrote the music and I wrote the lyrics. I guess it was pretty much all arranged, wasn t it? ?: Yeah, it was, pretty much. ****** Forgive the question marks, but I couldn't identify any voices besides Chris and Kim at the time. Anyway, the comment where they just came up with a new ending for the song sounds like it might be the one they use for the single. That or it could be the ending they will use when they play it live (for the comment, you'll just have to be there). <= > It is still on. I believe Caryn will be posting something on that soon (am I right?). At least you know where the *spot* is! I am going to be there this time, as well as Vikki. Should be a good time and the weather sounds like it's gonna cooperate with us. Yay! Bonnie ------------------------------ From: Eliza J Polly Subject: news... First of all, forgive me if this has been posted before, haven't made it thru all my mail yet.... Just read in Cincinnati's cool newspaper, The City Beat, the following: "Members of Pearl Jam, Everclear, Soundgarden, Sponge, 311, And Alice in Chain, plus Beck have recorded PSA's for a Portland, Oregon organization called Artists for a Hate Free America, a group which fights bigotry, racism and censorship." Also says in here that Nirvana's "From the Muddy Banks of the Wishkah, will now be released on October 8th ( i think the original date was the 4th)... And I must share some joy...got GREAT seats today for the Screaming Trees...no, they are not headlining, but the special guest for Oasis in Dayton....very psyched. Manic Street Preachers also playing.... All for now- - --eliza epolly@one.net And I've been caught in a mind riot I'm tied within I'm luck's last match struck In the pouring down wind ------------------------------ From: clockwork Subject: Re: Just a tumor in my head.. Intergalactic Garage has both Burden singles, #1, #2, plus a seven inch for something like 27 dollars, thats's with shipping and all. I guess when you order imports in advance, it only costs ya 8.99. Sweet deal eh? So yeah, I ordered all that, along with Rage Against the Machine's "People of the Sun" single (if you're into RATM) , oh about a week and a half ago. I guess that single has a live version of "Without a Face" and a new live song called "Zapatista's Blood" w/ Chuck D from Public Enemy, oh man. I hope to be getting them soon. If you wanna get a hold of em, the phone number is: (304)876-6818 - (304)876-9414 FAX. Their address is: INTERGALACTIC GARAGE, PO Box 3047, Shepherdstown, WV 25443 > overfloater@thenexus.com wrote: > > > > Has anyone been successful at finding the Burden In My Hand single? > > Besides two people that is =) Is it easy to find or what? I've been > > trying to find it with no luck, and if the local record store doesn't > > get it in and they can't order it then I'm gonna order it from Goldmine > > which takes forever (forever to me, anyway, cause I REALLY want to hera > > Bleed Together) so is it easy to find in the US? > > thanks for reading > > ps. whered shroom go?? > > chow ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: clear vinyl taken... our very own list thug is in need of clear vinyl, and it'll save me and him postage charges if i just pass it off to him on friday. if you are still in desparate need, it's $23 out here, plus 8.2% sales tax, plus shipping. email me ;-) - --caryn ------------------------------ From: infinite Subject: chord changes i'm not sure if i have a problem with people listening to music just = for chord changes...=20 good news! i've started college today... was it just me, or did someone say stephen perkins was pj's = drummer.. i would think that would be hard since pfp is suppose to be = touring with that enit thing... I like big 4/4 rock drumming.. just = listen to 'go' and that's my whole philosophy on hitting the skins.. = nothing has to be complicated, like the chord changes or time.. just = good... it's like those annoying 'artiste' people bitching about rules = with art and shit.. i hate that.. and i dislike the idea of listening to = music for neat chord progressions or modal solos... myself, i prefer = what works and what sounds good.. who cares if never the machine... is = in 9/8? does that make it special or neat? it's still a good song, but = not on just it's technical aspects.. nevermind.. no one really cares = what i think, heh... ------------------------------ From: j.sloggett@uws.edu.au (julie sloggett) Subject: A Begging Post Hi people, I have been a lurker on this list for quite a while, and have decided to take the plunge. I am a Ph.D student, researching rock music. One of the things that I am looking at is construction of identity, and the importance of music in defining ourselves - both to ourselves and others. The other thing that I hope you might be able to help me out with is the way we define community. I hope to get a paper written soon that looks at these lists as a type of alternative community. Now - here comes the beg. Before I start writing, I need to know a couple of things. 1. Does anybody object to me using this list and its members in my discussion? I wouldn't use names or email addresses, so no one could be identified. 2. Would any of you be willing to firstly answer a questionairre about the list in general, and Soundgarden in particular for me? 3. Following on from this, I would like to set up 'interviews' via email, with anyone who is really interested in being a part of this study. What would be really good would be to get in touch with some of those on the list in Australia, to see if we could get together. I have chosen this list for a number of reasons. Firstly, I am a fan, so it makes sense to look at a list that I also find interesting (and know what people are talking about). Secondly, this list seems to be a really committed one - the size alone proves that. And thirdly, the level of debate on this list is really good - not just an endless analysis of who is and isn't a god. The paper is going to be given at a conference of the International Association for the Study of Popular Music, so you could all end up mildly famous. So there you go. If you have any comments to make, you can send them to me directly. I need to know if this is a goer before I get too involved in the research, but here is something that might persuade you. The only other academic study I can find on music bases lists is one that was written on the Pet Shop Boys. I would hate to think that others out there might get the feeling that all lists were like that one - so help me put the record straight. Hope you can help me Julie ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Confirmation needed From: seth I babbled earlier about Matt playing with Velocity Girl... The owner of the Unofficial Velocity Girl Homepage has denied the rumor, and he also offered to ask Jim from VG for the final word on the matter. So I am considering the rumor to officially be false. Sorry to get your pants in a bunch, seth ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: RE: i'm back!.....Ty Cobb/Face Pollution Zorak wrote: >>That's right the guy with many names has returned. And it's back to=20 soundgarden. =20 Chicka, thought I'd officially welcome you now on the list. =20 WELCOME BACK!!!! :-) >>Playing ty cobb is fun. Listening to it is fun. Singing with it is even MORE fun!! :-) I heard Face Pollution today and once again it reminded me of Ty Cobb. = Does anyone else notice the similarity between the two songs? I can't = separate them - I like them both the same....... Yeah, it's only me, with not a lot to say, Carolyn the Mucked-up Frollicker Who do I kill? - the list gets longer every day.......Hater ------------------------------ From: spierce@ultra.mpls.k12.mn.us (Sandy Pierce) Subject: minnesotans..? (and a question about chris c.) fellow minnesotan sommsters.... are you out there? if there are any (i think there's one...mayor mccheese?...) or anyone who might happen to be in the mpls/st.paul area during the next two weeks, come to the minnnesota state fair and meet me! i don't even know where anyone on the list lives, but if anyone lives in minnesota this would be a cool opportunity to meet someone from the list cuz i'm working at the fair! please write me back if you'll be attending the great minnesota get together. sorry for anyone who this doesn't apply to! oh yeah, um, soundgarden stuff, hmmm..... i bought motorvision, and at one point chris puts on some glasses i think and says something to the effect of "i can't see a damn thing" and i am wondering if anyone knows if he regularily wears glasses or contacts (or binoculars or anything :) ). just curious. amanda ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: Hater/Brian Ritchie Using a line from a Hater song in my last post reminded me to comment on = them. Thanks to Jamesetta, I have a Hater tape in my possession. Yes, Blind = Dog, I like them! Does anyone else on the list like Violent Femmes enough (as I do) to own = a solo album by VF member, Brian Ritchie?? It's very unlike VF and yet = similar, just as Hater is unlike SG and yet similar. And Brian's vocals = sound eeringly like those on Hater. Even a few of the songs themselves = are similar - Jamie, I must tape them for you sometime. So, does anyone out there own an album by Brian Ritchie? - called "I See = A Noise", from 1990. Carolyn the Music Freak Please don't cry for me when I die.......Brian Ritchie ------------------------------ From: ansel@morgan.com Subject: For Euro SOMMSers... Why hasn't the list been flooded with triumphant, gloating "I got tickets" posts from the U.K.? We have a multitude of Euro SOMMSers, do we not? And NOBODY is going to the shows? Don't make me fly out there to do the reviews...I'll do it, damn it!!! ;) -Vikki PS: CC interview in Oct. Metal Hammer, on sale Sept. 17. And which Kerrang is the Karen Cornell 2 page interview in? I checked the last two issues with no luck. ------------------------------------------------------------ For SOUNDGARDEN tickets, call... Mon. Sept. 16, Glasgow Scotland, Barrowland Venue: 0131 557 6969 Tues. Sept. 17, Manchester England, Apollo Venue: 0161 242 2560 Picadilly: 0161 832 1111 Wed. Sept. 18, Wolverhampton England, Civic Hall Venue: 01902 312030 Thurs. Sept. 19, London England, Brixton Academy Venue: 0171 924 9999 Ticketmaster: 0171 344 4444 (A few general admission tickets on the floor were still available at this venue when I called Wednesday afternoon.) ------------------------------ Subject: Shirtless in DC From: tonerkin@usa.pipeline.com (Tonerkin) On Aug 21, 1996 12:24:05, 'jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson)' wrote: >Okay, seems like I'm going to meet my maker before I get these silly shirts.. >I have >gotten allot of mail from people saying they like the button and cap idea. Is >there >anyone out there willing to try this whole personal SOMMs item again? Are >there >people on this list we can trust - YES... Jamie, I'm not trying to rub this in but I got my shirt about a week ago. Sorry SIS!! :-( I would be willing to try getting some Somms items together again. But let's get several people involved so there is a system of checks and balances! Welcome Back Chicka! Any new words???? toni ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Helloooooo???!? Ummmm... sorry about this kiddies, but AOL seems to have fucked up yet AGAIN. For some reason, I have gotten NO mail outside of AOL stuff ALL fucking day. Which of course means that I'm totally pissed off, and Steve Case is probably off cackling about this somewhere. Anyway... if any of y'all have written me, kindly send your mail again. I've gotten a couple of posts, so I'm assuming that my mail is ok again. For Soundgarden content: I was perusing the Sub Pop web site... and where they offer the "Original Grunge" music, they have Soundgarden's "Screaming Life/Fopp" ep... and this comment: "Girls call us from New York just to get singer Chris Cornell's phone number. Awesome." I'm in Dallas, so don't look at me... I don't even have Sub Pop's phone number. I DID ask the fan club for Chris' number, but they wouldn't tell me... those sorry bastards. =) Oh, and there's also a funky picture of the band linked with it, so check it out. Anyway... sorry again about the mail fuck-up, kiddies. And now for yet another plea to that drummer guy: HEY MATT!!! Y'know, you REALLY should come and meet a few of us SOMMsters on the evening of October 25th at the OK Hotel. It would be a wonderful opportunity for you to meet with some of your most obsesse... ummm... dedicated fans. We swear... we WON'T try to follow you home!! =) Heheheh... Shroom Red Haired Devil-Hootchie, Proud member of the Kim Thayil Mercenary Squad, and Seattle-bound-obsessed-SOMMS-psycho (See you in October, Chris and Matt!!!) "Hey Shroom, when I heard that Matt was going to meet with you SOMMSters, I decided that I just HAD to come along, too. Kim joined us, because he wanted to meet the list thug AKA Captain of the KTMS. Ben came, too... but only because he owns the place. Naked karaoke, anyone?" ~ Chris Cornell (Words not necessarily said in that order...) <~~~ my disclaimer ------------------------------ From: overfloater@thenexus.com Subject: Just a tumor in my head.. Has anyone been successful at finding the Burden In My Hand single? Besides two people that is =) Is it easy to find or what? I've been trying to find it with no luck, and if the local record store doesn't get it in and they can't order it then I'm gonna order it from Goldmine which takes forever (forever to me, anyway, cause I REALLY want to hera Bleed Together) so is it easy to find in the US? thanks for reading ps. whered shroom go?? chow ------------------------------ From: vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu (Vasant Ramamurthy) Subject: Re: where are you seth? (Best non-Cornell song) > so my question is: what is the best soundgarden song that has >lyrics written by someone *other* than chris? HALF!! No, just kidding. Seriously though, Half gets way too much of a bad rap. I like it though. Here are my top 4 faves, in order: Circle of Power An Unkind Tears to Forget Never the Machine Forever BTW, if anyone cares, I am going to college next fall, and one of the schools I'm applying to now is Cornell. It's so ironic it's cool. A Soundgarden fan at Cornell U. Man, I'll be so happy if I get in there. Vasant ****************************************************************************** THE REFUGE OF THE DAMNED - Check out lots o' music stuff here!! http://ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu/~vman/me.html vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu "When new damage comes, it's a new word for plague, a new world order, a new word for hate" - New Damage - Soundgarden ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: A Begging Post At 10:51 AM 8/22/96 +1100, julie sloggett wrote: >Hi people, >I have been a lurker on this list for quite a while, and have decided to >take the plunge. I am a Ph.D student, researching rock music. One of the >things that I am looking at is construction of identity, and the importance >of music in defining ourselves - both to ourselves and others. The other >thing that I hope you might be able to help me out with is the way we define >community. I hope to get a paper written soon that looks at these lists as >a type of alternative community. i say yes... go for it... but i also think that perhaps the list needs to put this to a referendum, or at least give people a week or so to go through all their email in case there are any virulent objections. perhaps someone like seth can collect any votes/thoughts/comments (or seth can delegate someone else to do so -- i'll volunteer if necessary). then, post results to the list at large? does this sound okay to everyone? (i'm just speaking up for us since no one else has responded so far) i'm quite chuffed actually ;-) - --caryn ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: hot tub bubbling away. come and bask ;-) - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Eliza J Polly Subject: RE: news... Muddy Banks is an upcoming live album made up of tracks taken mostly from the '91 winter world tour and the '93-4 In Utero tour. Unfortunately it does not appear to have the "rare" tracks that Rolling Stone stated it would (unless they define "rare" as versions never before released). There is some info here, including track lists: http://pages.prodigy.com/acidjack/newnir.htm - -eliza >and hate to stray away from SG for a sec, but...... >wat do you know about the new Nirvana >album!?!??!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! >ive heard a lot of rumours, so was wondering about some facts, or >where i could go find some stuff on it.... - -- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- TeachNet, College of Education, University of Texas, Austin Texas - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: Josh_Garza@teachnet.edb.utexas.edu (Josh Garza) Subject: Re: news... epolly@one.net,Internet TeachNet Gatew writes: "Members of Pearl Jam, Everclear, Soundgarden, Sponge, 311, And Alice in Chain, plus Beck have recorded PSA's for a Portland, Oregon organization called Artists for a Hate Free America, a group which fights bigotry, racism and censorship." Also says in here that Nirvana's "From the Muddy Banks of the Wishkah, will now be released on October 8th ( i think the original date was the 4th)... that sounds pretty kool, the cause and everything, the artists... something i wil have to obtain when it gets released.. and hate to stray away from SG for a sec, but...... wat do you know about the new Nirvana album!?!??!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ive heard a lot of rumours, so was wondering about some facts, or where i could go find some stuff on it.... .pencapchew - -- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- TeachNet, College of Education, University of Texas, Austin Texas - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: Aleko Subject: Re: Kim Thayil vs. the Smashing Pumpkins Well when both bands where in Australia for the big day out Kim had a discusion with Billy in which Kim said that he shouldn't complain about success or fame when he tries to sell music to the public and sort of payed him out for feeling sorry for himself. It wasn't an attack but more a discussion but Billy took it personally and was upset by it. I wish i remembered the article. On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Vasant Ramamurthy wrote: > For some reason, people on the Smashing Pumpkins list dislike Kim for > allegedly ripping on SP. One 12-year-old girl said Kim "deserves to die." > That's an exact quote. Needless to say, I flamed her back to the Stone Age. > Anyway, SG and SP are my 2 favorite bands, in that order, but I've never > heard or read Kim say anything bad about SP. Is this true? Does anybody > have any quotes from Kim about this? Frankly, I'm not sure which is true. > It could be one of Billy's "blame everyone and everything" mood swings, but > then again, Kim is pretty outspoken. Until I find evidence, I want to give > the benefit of the doubt to Kim. Anybody know anything about this? > > Vasant > > ****************************************************************************** > THE REFUGE OF THE DAMNED - Check out lots o' music stuff here!! > http://ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu/~vman/me.html > vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu > "When new damage comes, it's a new word for plague, a new world order, a > new word for hate" - New Damage - Soundgarden > > > "Rock n' roll doesn't have a soul, just a dick and a wallet" --- Kim Thayil ------------------------------ Subject: Re: A Begging Post From: seth > does this sound okay to everyone? (i'm just speaking up for us since no one > else has responded so far) i suggest that instead of us giving individual go-aheads, we wait one week and if there are no *objections*, it will be considered the collective go-ahead. seth ------------------------------ From: The Guitarist-2001 Subject: Death to my CD-ROM!! Courtesty of Alive in the Superunknown . . . Well I got it. But of course, my wonderful luck kicked in and my Cd-Rom doesn't even believe that there's a CD in there. From what I've heard, the only way to get that CD to work would be to get another CD-Rom. Which I can't exactly do at this time. Fortunately, I am able to listen to the audio tracks (the acoustic version of Like Suicide has convinced me that SG MUST do an acoustic set!), and my friend let me try it out on his computer . . . of course now I'm even more angry than before, because that thing's even better than I expected! Why have I never seen the video for The Day I Tried to Live? That's a damn good video . . . but back to the point: Before I have to return this thing, could anybody tell me where that Badmotorfinger wheel game thingy is? Or is that just the pong-like thing? Or even better, does anybody know how I could get this thing to WORK?? ARRGH!! The Guitarist-2001 ------------------------------ From: The Guitarist-2001 Subject: Re: Song names At 05:51 PM 8/20/96 +0000, Mo wrote: >Why do Soundgarden songs *always* have cool song names? >Every single song Chris Cornell has written has a cool name. > >Mo. Not to mention album names, BAND NAME, etc. . . I mean, the album title this list itself is named after: Satanoscillatemymetallicsonatas . . . Soundgarden (although my parents aren't SG fans, they're always saying how they love the name...), Superunknown, Badmotorfinger . . . this could go on forever (or at least until I run out of names) ... They've just got a talent for naming stuff! The Guitarist-2001 ------------------------------ From: The Guitarist-2001 Subject: The Pinky Thing? Once again: You know you're obsessed with Soundgarden when you spend hours (or at least a while) trying to figure out what "the pinky thing" is in An Unkind! And I think I got it . . . . . . try the main riff, but instead of a pulloff 2-0 on the fifth string, just slide 7-5 on the 6th . . . it always sounded to me like there was a slide there . . . this manuever is fairly difficult (not dreadfully, but yadda yadda blah blah...), and it requires the pinky . . . eh? Have I got it? Ha ha! The Guitarist who CAN do the pinky thing (assuming he's right)-2001 ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 221] ****************************************