From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 21 Aug 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 01:55:17 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Wednesday, 21 Aug 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Everyone please help me... somms Re: one more time around might do it... Be happy! and sg & aic Re: Flame wars and newbies every thing I've held is what I've freed... ...would you cry for me? Re: every thing I've held is what I've freed... i'm back! Re: Be happy! and sg & aic Re: every thing I've held is what I've freed... pearl jam and soundgarden more unrelated Re: every thing I've held is what I've freed... Into the Upside Re: every thing I've held is what I've freed... Re: i'm back! Re: i'm back! Song names Weird finding! HEY YOU GUYS Re: ...would you cry for me? Re: every thing I've held is what I've freed... Burden Single Re: Everything I've Held Is What I've Freed Company is Coming - Break out the SG Re: UMOK and OUTSHINED on Vinyl Re: pearl jam and soundgarden more unrelated can we stop this stupid thread Re: Company is Coming - Break out the SG RE:can we stop this stupid thread Re:ideas leaning on the pedestal... RE: every thing I've held is what I've freed... re: can we stop this stupid thread Re: Company is Coming - Break out the SG where are you seth? SOMMS! Re: where are you seth? Re: you got the juice to fill my cup... Re: pearl jam and soundgarden more unrelated #somms hottub... Re: ideas Re: pearl jam and soundgarden more unrelated Early warning for Brisbane Sommsters Re: pearl jam and soundgarden more unrelated SOMMS t-shirt. Future Single and Seattle Somms Meeting Kim Thayil vs. the Smashing Pumpkins Re(2): i'm back! whoa.. Soundgarden in Oz ------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: Everyone please help me... From: nadia hi...i'm new and I was gonna just read the digest for a while before I posted,but, something happend to me today and I need everone's help (you all have also been in the flaming mood lately -not that I care- but attitude will help with this). Ok In the last three weeks I've been getting hate mail and I had no idea why - it was only a few people but today I found out why... I have this really shity web page that i made like 3 months ago and it's ok, I have this section called "Shitty bands of the month" and another one called "bands I like", so I get this mail today that says: >ani defranco has talent, as opposed to the bands you like... >(Don't take this as flame mail, you said ani defranco was shitty, i had >to protect her :) The bands on my shitty list are Ani Defranco, Presidents of the United States, and the Cranberries. On bands I like was pearl jam, SOUNDGARDEN, babes in toyland, 7 year bitch, hole... (you can go see for yourself http://www.novaproj.org/~nadia/bands_I_like.html) anyway I wrote him back and told him #1. I do NOT like talentless bands, #2.Why I hate ani (I had a bad expierence with her music -email me and I'll explain) #3. That it WAS a flame to say all the bands i liked were talentless, etc. I used fuck alot, I also asked him what the hell he was doing at "seattles reighning grunge queen's" web page (there is a disclaimer at the beginning) if he hates grunge/rock. My page has not been submitted to search engins (because it sucks right now) (AND I DONT WANT IT SUBMITTED) I had asked how he got to my page because it had not been submitted and this was his reply. He emailed me back and told me that i was way too angry and had been listing to way too much grunge and informed me to check out the Yahoo! search for ani defranco. At that point I lost my shit and went to Yahoo! TO FIND MY PAGE SUBMITTED between the 30th-40th listing, named "bands I hate" in the page summary was my email address. Do you understand my anger??? I think that it was totally uncalled for for him to do that cause now I'm gonna get hate mail from crazy ani fans and I had to beg my friend to make that page ("bands i hate") unsearchable (not sure how he did it) so the link wont work, but still my EMAIL ADDRESS is there and that freaks me out. I dont want my address where i didn't put it. So I asking you to please email this guy and tell him how much soundgarden ISNT TALENTLESS, I didnt have the time to defend seven different bands. PLEASE, PRETTY PLEASE. Flame to Luke Renn, oregon@voicenet.com , Please. - -nadia@novaproj.org (you really don't want to see my signature) ------------------------------ From: kjm@mtool.com (Karen Monoker) Subject: somms Just thought I would let everyone know that I finally got a copy of SOMMS. I live in Baltimore and I went to the record store which is called "Soundgarden" (how appropriate), and I was looking through used cds and came upon BMF which I needed a new copy of the cd since my jerk-boy ex took it a long time ago, so I found it and to my surprise it is a double cd with somms, woo hoo!!!!!!! Only $7.00 too, what a great deal! Sorry, I just had to share my happiness for a bit ;) ------------------------------ From: Greg Bensimon Subject: Re: one more time around might do it... On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, blind dog wrote: > > > now that we have heard the band's first attempt at delivering a > record almost entirely produced by themselves, do any listers think that > dotu was the best mixed/mastered of the bunch? Personally, I think SU was probably mixed the best (see below...) > > also, terry date did a *much* better job on badmotorfinger than > his production work on louder than love. to me there is no comparison. > I'm sure that if you asked him, he would probably like bmf more too. the > tones coming from the guitars are superb, and the mix is just right. if > only all albums could be recorded and produced as well as this...(btw, is I always thought the first half of BMF was too "light." It may sound odd, but I think the bass and drums could really be turned up a little more through JCP... especially the drums on JCP. And I'd like to hear a little more Ben on Outshined and Slaves and Bulldozers. > > even though lots of dotu is produced well, I'm not sure that the > band are quite as good as date or the superunk team of michael beinhorn > and brendan o'brien (who dialled in some *fantastic* sounds) behind the > mixing desk. Agreed. O'Brien is a master, probably the hottest guy out there right now. Not just SU, but some of the other work he's done as well. It's always got an intense, crunching feel to it. And of course, the harmonics, feedback, and other assorted acoustic gems that SU is full of... If I were going in to the studio to record an album, he's the guy I'd want producing it. Greg ------------------------------ From: BTimLake@aol.com Subject: Be happy! and sg & aic As far as all these posts saying that we should be happy and stop flaming, I kinda get this stupid drippy feeling reading them. I mean, I'm as much in favor of peace and harmony as anyone else, but it's not something that just happens. The conflicts on this list are something that need to be resolved. Not things you can just ask to go away. Layne and Jerry do write more personal lyrics. Perhaps their lives have been more dramatic than Chris's/Ben's/etc. Pain and tragedy typically bring out emotion that transfers well to art. I remember a discussion of Footsteps vs. Times of Trouble. Eddie certainly sings w/ more emotion, but the better song is ToT (imho). But, my point of this post was to recall when the lyrics for DOTU were first posted. It was before almost all of us had heard the album. Someone pointed out that song for song, more were written in first person on this album than any other. I'm betting that it doesn't have to do with more pain in Chris's life. In fact, I can't explain this trend at all. I would think BMF as more likely to have the greater number of first person lyrics because of when the songs were written. Didn't Chris hole himself up in some cabin to write them? Or maybe that was just the music and he added the words later. Didn't some interview with matt recently quote him as saying he was waiting for Chris to finish the lyrics to some song? I know that Layne typically writes the words to AIC's songs in studio, does Chris do the same? i feel no need to tie up or summarize. -- Ben Ben Timberlake You know . . . Northwestern University . . . For kids! Medill School of Journalism btimlake@aol.com -30- http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~bft718 "I didn't create this situation, I'm dealing with it." -Steve Buscemi "Reservoir Dogs" "Only happy when you hurt / Only deadly in a swarm Only healthy in the dirt / Only empty in your arms" -- Chris Cornell, "Rhinosaur" ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: Re: Flame wars and newbies .bug wrote, in a long complaint about list flaming: > Neither did I expect to get dragged into ridiculously > petty > flamewards about ridiculously petty things. There's too much latent > aggression on this list. Latent aggression and misplaced teenage > angst. I think many have to comes to terms with this, and don't worry > kids, those spots will disappear soon!! > The funny thing is, I seem to remember you making a smart-ass comment to someone who told a simple anecdote about his or her father referring to Soundgarden as a "grunge" band. I don't much participate in the flame wars here on the list, but for you to write this big anti-flaming manefesto after doing some pretty petty flaming yourself is somewhat hypocritical, IMHO. (Now I suppose you'll flame me for pointing that out). When I first joined the list I read it for a while before contributing because I was afraid of getting flamed. Actually I think this mailing list is pretty friendly for the most part. People using the internet have to develop a little thicker skin. I've gotten more practice with that on the newsgroups I subscribe to, which I think are much nastier than this mailing list. I understand the Monkees newsgroup is "flame-free", perhaps you'd be more comfortable there. This list goes through periods when everyone seems a bit crabby. If you don't like it, just wait it out and it will change, or take it upon yourself to start a new thread. I really don't mean to be bitchy, but flaming people for flaming is a bit stupid. Sometimes if you respond with self-control to a flame, especially if you do it by private email, you can actually make a friend. A while back I got a really nasty email flame. I responded nicely, but nice in a smart-ass kind of way, and eventually we started communicating in a friendly way and found we had a lot in common besides this one thing we definitely disagreed on. I agree that there are better ways to express disagreement than flaming, and being the target of flame-throwers can sting, but in the real scheme of things is it really that big of a deal? If you don't like flaming, don't do it yourself. A while back someone mentioned putting together a FAQ for the mailing list. This would really be helpful for the people who don't have access to the web. I, like Caryn, never considered that some people on the list might not have access and did consider their questions pretty dumb considering the abundance of info on the web page. To prevent embarassment on all sides perhaps a FAQ would be a good idea (I know, Seth, one more job in an endless parade of jobs). I guess that's enough for now. Kathie ------------------------------ From: Marianne84@aol.com Subject: every thing I've held is what I've freed... >that was also my initial impression of the song... then i thought it might >be about a drug addict, or about a friend's drug addiction. Seems like I remember reading or hearing Chris say that Slaves & Bulldozers was about greed. This would go along with either theory - record company/band relationship or drug addiction. >does anyone else out there listen to sg every day... or try to? I have listened to SG in one form or another almost every day for a couple of years - before that i was less obsessed.. Pretty sad, huh? Also, did I dream this (wouldn't surprise me one bit) or has anyone else heard that Ben wrote Never Named when he was sixteen? Here's another possible thread...SG and education. My son came home from his 3rd day of sixth grade last week - He was all excited 'cause they had learned about palindromes at school. He wanted to take SOMMS to school with him as an example. I told him I wasn't sure if his teacher would really appreciate it (i'm all for freedom of expression but we're kind of living in the Bible belt here). After much protesting on his part, we finally agreed that his teacher/classmates probably wouldn't get it & worse, something could happen to our copy of SOMMS. My point here is that he was the only kid in his class who knew what a palindrome was....see, not only is Soundgarden the best band in the world - they're educational as well!! Chris also knows the meanings several words that he never would have cared about knowing if not for listening to Sg. I'm kind of curious - I don't think anyone else on the list has any kids as old as Chris (12 next month), but if faced with a similar situation - do you think you'd let your child/younger brother or sister use SOMMS or as an example at school? Enough rambling from me - I'll go back to my lurking mode now... Marianne ------------------------------ From: Greg Bensimon Subject: ...would you cry for me? On 20 Aug 1996, Karen Monoker wrote: > Just thought I would let everyone know that I finally got a copy of SOMMS. I > live in Baltimore and I went to the record store which is called > "Soundgarden" (how appropriate), and I was looking through used cds and came > upon BMF which I needed a new copy of the cd since my jerk-boy ex took it a > long time ago, so I found it and to my surprise it is a double cd with somms, > woo hoo!!!!!!! Only $7.00 too, what a great deal! > > Sorry, I just had to share my happiness for a bit ;) I think that makes it official... I must be the only person on this list actively looking for SOMMS who hasn't found it yet. AAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!! ------------------------------ Subject: Re: every thing I've held is what I've freed... From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) >> does anyone else out there listen to sg every day... or try to? I have only two tapes riding with me each day to work.. I.S "So Sad" and SG "DOTU". The ride to work is maybe 15 min. (on a good day) but I can get at lease two songs from each tape before I get there. The selection depends on the mood of the day... > I do you think you'd let your child/younger brother or sister use SOMMS > or as an example at school? As long as the child understands what the information is about and why he is using the it - sure. > my favorite come home when i'm pissed and blow the speakers song (pissed as in > angry, not as in drunk, aussies and brits ;- ) ) is still 'birth ritual' -- > I think that is one of the coolest things about > music, the way that you can sort of control your moods or listen to > something after you have had a real shit of a day and come off > looking at the day in a different light. Anyone else feel the same? Don't you find that most of situations that occur in your normal day you associate with a song (mostly SG). The other day I was at the post office, two men got into one ugly fight in the parking lot - in a flash two songs came to my mind (Mailman and Mind Riot). But when I want to feel free and forget the worries of the world, I head out to an open road, open the windows on the Jeep, and drop in my BMF tape.. Then I break my "Rust Cage" and feel good.. There are also songs that when I hear them, I remember people, places, and events in my life. Music is just a part of my life, I guess that is why I never understood my family when they couldn't understand my need for it... Jamie (Village Idiot) ------------------------------ From: Zorak Subject: i'm back! That's right the guy with many names has returned. And it's back to soundgarden. while i was at lolla, that manson looking guy stared at me. It was scary. ;) Does anyone know any other band that uses CGC tunings? Playing ty cobb is fun. Cherry lane says that in Dusty, the low e string is tuned down to a G. First of all, i don't believe that, second of all, even my .52's would fall off at that low of a tuning. Any thoughts on this? No Attention rocks! Adios. -j "Can't waste a day when the night brings a hearse" -Rage Against the Machine ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Be happy! and sg & aic From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) >But, my point of this post was to recall when the lyrics for DOTU were >first posted. It was before almost all of us had heard the album. Someone >pointed out that song for song, more were written in first person on this >album than any other. I'm betting that it doesn't have to do with more >pain in Chris's life. In fact, I can't explain this trend at all. Maybe he has reached a point in life that he can relate to others emotions because he has experiences them first hand. He may not be going through those emotions or trials now, but he did at some point. Haven't you ever sat with a friend listening to a problem they are having, only to response with "I know what you mean, been there done that". You can talk about it in first person from a past experiences. Chris could just be exercising old demons... Just a thought... Jamie (Village Idiot) ------------------------------ From: HOLMEST@198.81.231.2.dstm.com Subject: Re: every thing I've held is what I've freed... One thing that I really enjoy about SG lyrics is the way Chris uses contradictions (not really the right word) or opposites in his verses. Consider the following: Looking California, Feelin Minnesota... 'Everything I've held is what I've Freed...' 'Hands are for Shaking, Not Tying...' 'Angels in a Cage...' 'Lives we make, never seem to get us anywhere but dead.' 'She lived like a murder...' 'If this is'nt what you see, it doesn't make you blind...' (and virtually the whole song Superunknown) 'Sharpened my wits, on a dead mans skull. 'Used my inspiration for a guillatine (sp?)" 'Down on the Upside' even in song titles: Pretty Noose Limo Wreck A lot of SG lyrics and song titles seem bind togethter words or phrases that protray massively different feelings - on different ends of the spectrum. I know there are more examples of this, but these are all I could think of right now. Has anyone else noticed this? Later, Mr. Bunchypants ------------------------------ From: infinite Subject: pearl jam and soundgarden more unrelated i'm just kidding... i do have a problem with someone saying Sg = outmatches pj on EVERY instrument.. i'm sorry, i like thayil but stone = gossard is a much more versatile guitarist and riff-guy... i like mike = mcready's playing on earlier pj albums, and on the new screaming trees = record, and he's one guitarist that has influenced me more than anyone = other (w the exception of SRV)... call it simple, pop, whatever, i think = it's good.. drums might be a good example of where Sg has the betterman = (heh) is jack irons on an hourly wage or what? or he even still on = there... bass is iffy... i really can't tell the difference between = shepard and ament, they're actually similar to me.. i don't know... = vocals i won't touch.. i think that's something that there really isn't = a best... you could go by vocal ranges, but even a sorry singer can have = a good range... i've heard two songs off of no code and they sound alot = like not for you in the way of the guitars and drums.... and i don't = see how they are predictable... don't even tel me WMA is predictable... = that song still gets me in the way it goes.. infinite ps sorry, but pearl jam is my favorite band and i've never heard a song = by them i didn't like, unlike sg ------------------------------ Subject: Re: every thing I've held is what I've freed... From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) > A lot of SG lyrics and song titles seem bind togethter words or > phrases that protray massively different feelings - on different ends > of the spectrum. I know there are more examples of this, but these > are all I could think of right now. Has anyone else noticed this? > Later, Mr. Bunchypants Great list! Title: Searching With My Good Eye Closed Earache My Eye Lines: Driving 'round like spaceships on mall tires I have always felt Chris's writing was mostly done in metaphors. I like how he gives you one line and you can use it in many ways. Then you can see one meaning for a verse and someone else can read something totally different in it. I believe this is why there is such a diversity of personality with in the Soundgarden fan club. SG fans are not very stereotyped. We cover a large range of life styles and age range, because SG music reaches so many different levels... Jamie (Village Idiot) ------------------------------ From: dwy2@po.CWRU.Edu (Dun W. Yu) Subject: Into the Upside Hey guys, I was at the local Record Revolution and saw 2 used copies of SG: Into the Upside. It's a DOTU preview/interview disc. The tracks on it are PN, Dusty, Applebite, Rhinosaur, BIMH, BUTOW, and NTMF. The interview is conducted by Alain & Natasha from the band Eleven (Matt did some drumming on their last album). I forgot--it also has the track "An Unkind". I already have a copy, so if anyone out there wants one, e-mail me at dwy2@po.cwru.edu The discs are $20 each. I don't know if this is cheap or really expensive or what not, but if this is considered an import or something like that, $20 is relatively cheap (at least by Cleveland prices). I work in a mail room, so I can send it to you for free. There's only 2 copies that I saw (I his them in an obscure corner of the store), so I guess it's first come, first serve. See ya, Victor Yu P.S.--if you do e-mail me, remember to give me your mailing address. ------------------------------ From: dbradsh@unity.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: every thing I've held is what I've freed... id most definitely let my 5 year old take SOMMS to school (and i live in the bible belt as well)... Dee Dee Bradshaw-Autry http://www.angelfire.com/pages1/deedee/index.html ------------------------------ From: Gonzo Subject: Re: i'm back! Greetings,Zorak At 09:48 AM 8/20/96 -0400, you wrote: >That's right the guy with many names has returned. And it's back to >soundgarden. while i was at lolla, that manson looking guy stared at >me. It was scary. ;) I can not think of any bands for certain,but I think possibly CSN&Y used this on something, >Does anyone know any other band that uses CGC tunings? > >Playing ty cobb is fun. > It may be a typo,To tune down to a G,means taking the low E down 4 1/2 steps.I use a 46 for my low E string and If I tried to tune it down that far the string would just flap. If this is true,they must have used a piano string to tune it down to G.What is 4 1/2 steps?is that the distance of a Fourth or a fifth? I recommend Tuning the Low E up 1 1/2 steps to a G.Might be a little tight, but a least you will be able to get more then just Flup,tsk sound out of the string. The Low E does not play much of a part in this song anyway. it is only used once in the last measure.It is used to play a natural harmonic on the 7th fret,followed by 2 natural harmonics on the 5th string at the 7th fret. Gonzo Cherry lane says that in Dusty, the low e string is tuned down to a G. >First of all, i don't believe that, second of all, even my .52's would >fall off at that low of a tuning. Any thoughts on this? > >No Attention rocks! > >Adios. -j > >"Can't waste a day when the night brings a hearse" -Rage Against the Machine > > > ------------------------------ From: Gonzo Subject: Re: i'm back! At 12:43 PM 8/20/96 -0400, you wrote: Yipes,typo detected on my last post.That should be; Followed by 2 natural harmonics on the fifth string at the 5th fret. ah,that's better. Gonzo > The Low E does not play much of a part in this song anyway. >it is only used once in the last measure.It is used to play a >natural harmonic on the 7th fret, >>>>>>>"followed by 2 natural harmonics >on the 5th string at the 7th fret."<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > Gonzo > >Cherry lane says that in Dusty, the low e string is tuned down to a G. >>First of all, i don't believe that, second of all, even my .52's would >>fall off at that low of a tuning. Any thoughts on this? >> >>No Attention rocks! >> >>Adios. -j >> >>"Can't waste a day when the night brings a hearse" -Rage Against the Machine >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ From: "Mo" Subject: Song names Why do Soundgarden songs *always* have cool song names? Every single song Chris Cornell has written has a cool name. Mo. =="Sleep tight for me, I'm gone..."== (Tighter and Tighter - Chris Cornell) ------------------------------ From: "Mo" Subject: Weird finding! My pal's brother's got Superunknown and in the lyrics for Mailman (In the booklet) it says "writing you all the way" instead of "riding you all the way"...weird eh? Anyone else got different lyrics? Mo. =="Sleep tight for me, I'm gone..."== (Tighter and Tighter - Chris Cornell) ------------------------------ From: "Joseph A. Burnett" Subject: HEY YOU GUYS I have a question for all y'all...i think i asked it before, but i don't think anyone responded. to all you rare vinyl freaks, tell me if i fucked up... i was at a record shop in pensacola, fl, looking for soundgarden stuff. to make a long story short, i came across ultramega ok on vinyl, and the outshined single on vinyl. the outshined single had a clear plastic sleeve with soundgarden written on it, and the record itself had the badmotorfinger designs on it, with a picture of the band on back....i went with ultramega....did i screw the pooch big time? is the outshined single i described that rare? gimme a hand, y'all. L8RZ - --------O But it all makes such Sense to me i need room to breathe I work for the goals that i set Wasted time it weighs on my mind You can bet I can't wait one minute more - -----CIV ------------------------------ From: cynsir@village.ios.com Subject: Re: ...would you cry for me? Greg Bensimon wrote: > > On 20 Aug 1996, Karen Monoker wrote: > > > Just thought I would let everyone know that I finally got a copy of SOMMS. I > > live in Baltimore and I went to the record store which is called > > "Soundgarden" (how appropriate), and I was looking through used cds and came > > upon BMF which I needed a new copy of the cd since my jerk-boy ex took it a > > long time ago, so I found it and to my surprise it is a double cd with somms, > > woo hoo!!!!!!! Only $7.00 too, what a great deal! > > > > Sorry, I just had to share my happiness for a bit ;) > > I think that makes it official... I must be the only person on this list > actively looking for SOMMS who hasn't found it yet. > > AAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!! You are not alone, my child. Vikki & I went to a collectors show Sat. & she got some goodies, but I STILL HAVEN"T FOUND SOMMS!!! I live in NY friggin' city, where they recently busted shops carrying boots so I can't find any of those either! Can anyone find it in their heart to sell me a copy of SOMMS? Cynthia ------------------------------ Subject: Re: every thing I've held is what I've freed... From: tonerkin@usa.pipeline.com (Tonerkin) On Aug 19, 1996 22:45:57, 'caryn rose ' wrote: >does anyone else out there listen to sg every day... or try to? i've >stopped recently, but for a while there it was pretty intense. ;-) my >favorite come home when i'm pissed and blow the speakers song (pissed as in >angry, not as in drunk, aussies and brits ;- ) ) is still 'birth ritual' - -- >to the point that a few years ago friends a few buildings away would call me >if they heard it come blasting out of my balcony at about the time i usually >arrived home, worried about what else happened at work that day. Wow! Caryn you must of had to buy replacement speakers alot!! :-) I listen to at least one or two Soundgarden songs every day. Whenever I am in my car a SG tape is permanently in the tape deck. I may not listen to the whole thing but at least a taste. Today it was BUTOW, Burden in my hand and never named. I also go on kicks where I will listen to one particular song repeatedly! When I am in a particularly bad mood coming home from work and the traffic is a mess singing Ty Cobb works wonders to squelch my desire to ram my car into some other jerk driver!! toni ------------------------------ From: "Greg Dunbar" Subject: Burden Single I think that I like Karaoke better than Bleed Together, in contrast to Blind Dog. I can see why Karaoke didn't make it on to DOTU because I think that it wouldn't have fit the mood of the album. I love DOTU! It has got such a perfect balance all round. I guess you could say that about the last three albums in particular by Soundgarden. Bleed Together is good, it is yet another great punkish Soundgarden song in the tradition of Kickstand and An Unkind. Does anyone notice how Soundgarden B Sides seem to be heavier or doomier than songs off the albums? Eg. Birth Ritual, Kyle Petty, Heretic, Toy Box. I tend to feel that they seem to be a lot more raw than the album songs. - ------------------------------------------------------------- Loosely or tightly Everything Fits Even The Wrist On Your Arm Applebite - Soundgarden - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ GD - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ From: "Greg Dunbar" Subject: Re: Everything I've Held Is What I've Freed With Slaves & Bulldozers I've always thought that it's just sort of about someone who is really pissing you off, but the record company thing does fit in. But the 'laughing every time I choke' and 'stealing jokes', sounds like someone who is teasing or something and you want to get back at them, sort of like Mailman I guess. S&B is the song that gripped me most on BMF when I first heard it. I kept replaying S&B and JCP because I thought they were unreal. With Caryn saying about Birth Ritual being her favourite song for when she is pissed off, I always think it is interesting when you are in this kind of mood what music you listen to. Sometimes I pump myself up and listen to something aggressive like Pantera or something, or songs like Limo Wreck and Mailman off Superunknown, and other times I sort of mellow out a bit by listening to Alice In Chains songs like Down In A Hole and Shame In You, which ends up making me depressed. I think that is one of the coolest things about music, the way that you can sort of control your moods or listen to something after you have had a real shit of a day and come off looking at the day in a different light. Anyone else feel the same? - ------------------------------------------------------------- Loosely or tightly Everything Fits Even The Wrist On Your Arm Applebite - Soundgarden - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ GD - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ From: Greg Fox Subject: Company is Coming - Break out the SG I was bored the other night, and decided to make up a mix tape of a bunch of my favorite SG songs. Well, I quickly found out that they would not fit onto one tape, so I found my longest tape, and recorded these songs: Side1 Side2 ----- ----- Blind Dogs Searching with my good Eye Closed Toy Box 4th of July Earache my Eye Cold Bitch Jesus Christ Pose Homicidal Suicidal Birth Ritual No Attention Kyle Petty, Son of Rusty Cage Richard Ty Cobb Power Trip Sub Pop Rock City Girl U Want Big Dumb Sex Big Bottom Show Me I Can't Give You Anything Stray Cat Blues Holy Water She's A Politician I don't know anout you guys, but I think this is a pretty cool mix. Just sitting here at work today listening to this tape has more than doubled my output of usable code. The downside is that I drive a whole lot faster now, and in this town, the cops don't like it too much. Oh well, I will just have to be more careful. On to more code. Later all. Greg _________________________________________________ /Greg Fox | So many monsters in me \ |gfox@drao.nrc.ca | Have left me half hunched | |www.engr.uvic.ca/~gfox| and human struggling | \_____________________| - Fine Tooth Combine | That damn polyphasic \ www.islandnet.com/~combine / frog rototillered my \__________________________/ beets again! ------------------------------ From: Gonzo Subject: Re: UMOK and OUTSHINED on Vinyl you fucked up,you should have bought both of them.Easy,just kidding. Is the UMOK on colored vinyl or black vinyl?The Black vinyl UMOK Which came in a plain white cover with a SST insert is a Rare Test pressing. If you have this one then that is a Very good find.The color vinyl version is hard to find around here,Michigan,but probably not as rare as the SST test pressing. Outshined came out on vinyl as a 7" picture disc.sounds like the one you have.I have that one too.2 songs on it.title track and Ramones cover-I can't Give You Anything.BMF singles are getting harder to find.4 months ago at the record collectors show I found one dealer with several BMF vinyl single.At the show 3 weeks ago,no one had any to sell. Outshined also came out on 3 different 12 " promos. Thats is all I know about that. Gonzo At 01:44 PM 8/20/96 -0500, you wrote: >I have a question for all y'all...i think i asked it before, but i don't >think anyone responded. to all you rare vinyl freaks, tell me if i fucked up... >i was at a record shop in pensacola, fl, looking for soundgarden stuff. to >make a long story short, i came across ultramega ok on vinyl, and the >outshined single on vinyl. the outshined single had a clear plastic sleeve >with soundgarden written on it, and the record itself had the >badmotorfinger designs on it, with a picture of the band on back....i went >with ultramega....did i screw the pooch big time? is the outshined single i >described that rare? gimme a hand, y'all. >L8RZ >--------O > >But it all makes such >Sense to me i need room to breathe >I work for the goals that i set >Wasted time it weighs on my mind >You can bet >I can't wait one minute more >-----CIV > > > ------------------------------ From: Mark Miller Subject: Re: pearl jam and soundgarden more unrelated If you like WMA, you will like the 4th? track off the new album. It has a weird drum thing but it loses the feel that WMA has. Ive heard the entire new album and it is quite a bit different from the rest of their stuff. I think it is good and a nice change. (exceopt that last track which is a country tune or something) I would say Matt Cameron is a way better drummer than what PJ has at the moment. But then again I think Matt is second only to Stephen Perkins. Has anyone noticed this punk rock thing coming back. SG had one on DOTU and PJ has one on their new album. Next thing you know there will be a descendents reunion tour. Mark ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: can we stop this stupid thread On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Mark Miller wrote: > think Matt is second only to Stephen Perkins. Has anyone noticed this > punk rock thing coming back. SG had one on DOTU and PJ has one on their > new album. Next thing you know there will be a descendents reunion tour. yeah! and next thing you know, bands will start asking the ramones to open for them! and maybe they'll do lollapalooza! hell, maybe they'll even get DEVO out of retirement... who knows! man, kids do love that crazy punk rock music! hell, pearl jam might do something REALLY crazy like covering 'sonic reducer' by the dead boys! - --caryn ------------------------------ From: BTimLake@aol.com Subject: Re: Company is Coming - Break out the SG > Side1 Side2 > ----- ----- > Blind Dogs Searching with my good Eye Closed > Toy Box 4th of July > Earache my Eye Cold Bitch > Jesus Christ Pose Homicidal Suicidal > Birth Ritual No Attention > Kyle Petty, Son of Rusty Cage huh huh. This looks like "Kyle Petty, Son of Rusty Cage." Rusty Cage would be a good screen name or comic book character or something. -- Ben Ben Timberlake You know . . . Northwestern University . . . For kids! Medill School of Journalism btimlake@aol.com -30- http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~bft718 "I didn't create this situation, I'm dealing with it." -Steve Buscemi "Reservoir Dogs" "Only happy when you hurt / Only deadly in a swarm Only healthy in the dirt / Only empty in your arms" -- Chris Cornell, "Rhinosaur" ------------------------------ From: Mark Miller Subject: RE:can we stop this stupid thread IS the thread you would like to stop the punk rock thing or the comparing SG to other bands? THey are pretty much the same. If we stop that we will be back to hitting the delete key a million times because it is another message about what is in some members CD player at the time. I remember how much fun that was. Didn't tony iomi (sp?) from Black Sabbath tune down to D or C# w/ Black Sabbath. SOmeone was trying to tell me Kim was the first to do that. Anyone hear of anyone doing that before Black Sabbath? As for the tuning to G has anyone tried using a high bass string? I know a couple of bands that do that here in San Diego. Mark ------------------------------ From: spierce@ultra.mpls.k12.mn.us (Sandy Pierce) Subject: Re:ideas yeah, hats would be cool. i never wear hats because i never see any i like... but if we designed one i'd be sure to wear it! we could have buttons with different slogans, like maybe... "free kim thayil" or "somms@mit.edu...where ALL soundgarden fans are equal (even "newbies")" just kidding. but anyway, i think hats is a cool idea (and my button one is too) :) amanda "i am not an angry girl, but it seems like i've got everyone fooled..." ani difranco ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: leaning on the pedestal... On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, caryn rose wrote: > does anyone else out there listen to sg every day... or try to? i've > stopped recently, but for a while there it was pretty intense. ;-) my > favorite come home when i'm pissed and blow the speakers song (pissed as in > angry, not as in drunk, aussies and brits ;- ) ) is still 'birth ritual' -- I think soundgarden's best angry song is kyle petty. that song just smashes straight into the riff, with matt pounding and chris' vocals from hell. limo wreck or tdittl would be good for that mood too, but they take a little longer to warm up. as for listening to soundgarden every day, I really do try my best :) I have a tape in my walkman today that has nothing to say, hand of god, bleed together, head down and room a 1000 years wide on it; which isn't a bad selection if I do say so myself. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Eliza J Polly Subject: RE: every thing I've held is what I've freed... Yes, absolutely at least every day...without fail. Even if it means 5 minutes in the car on the way to work. As for a come home pissed-off song, one of my favs is TOTD's "4 walled world" - vocals on that are amazing and great for a raging pulse. - --eliza >does anyone else out there listen to sg every day... or try to? i've >stopped recently, but for a while there it was pretty intense. ;-) my >favorite come home when i'm pissed and blow the speakers song >(pissed as in angry, not as in drunk, aussies and brits ;- ) ) is still >'birth ritual' -- ------------------------------ From: Scroggin Subject: re: can we stop this stupid thread caryn rose wrote: > > > yeah! and next thing you know, bands will start asking the ramones to > open for them! > > --caryn i saw a show in which the Ramones opened for White Zombie.. boy i'll tell you that was a story all in its self, i personaly went to see White Zombie and i found it rather amusing that many teenage youth especially girls had shown up for the concert to see the Ramones .. well to be truthful the ramones did put on a good show however WZ performance was a story all in its self, but in the end the whole concert was great. p.s. me and a fellow "metalhead" joked right before WZ came on ...."i sure as hell hope all the little skaters and punkers left already" needless to say the ones that stayed didnt go home empty handed p.s2 i missed Lolapalooza this year cause i recently moved to virginia , and i was curios about SG performance and my most fav band METALLICA'S performance. - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - -what is democracy???? - -i believe it has something to do with sending young men off to die. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: Greg Fox Subject: Re: Company is Coming - Break out the SG #> Side1 Side2 #> ----- ----- #> Blind Dogs Searching with my good Eye Closed #> Toy Box 4th of July #> Earache my Eye Cold Bitch #> Jesus Christ Pose Homicidal Suicidal #> Birth Ritual No Attention #> Kyle Petty, Son of Rusty Cage # #huh huh. This looks like "Kyle Petty, Son of Rusty Cage." Rusty Cage #would be a good screen name or comic book character or something. Hey, yer right it does. Oh well, most of you know what I meant. Its a wicked mix tape for getting work done, plus it has a variety of SG'smusic, from way back in the Sub Pop era right up to DOTU. Way cool, all on one 100 minute tape too. Later all. Greg *** I am moving soon, my new email address is gfox@gulf.uvic.ca *** _________________________________________________ /Greg Fox | So many monsters in me \ |gfox@drao.nrc.ca | Have left me half hunched | |www.engr.uvic.ca/~gfox| and human struggling | \_____________________| - Fine Tooth Combine | That damn polyphasic \ www.islandnet.com/~combine / frog rototillered my \__________________________/ beets again! ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: where are you seth? On Tue, 20 Aug 1996 BTimLake@aol.com wrote: > person lyrics because of when the songs were written. Didn't Chris hole > himself up in some cabin to write them? Or maybe that was just the music > and he added the words later. Didn't some interview with matt recently > quote him as saying he was waiting for Chris to finish the lyrics to some from memory, I think it was kristin. did matt say that chris still had to work out the vocal melody, or the lyrics themselves? I was listening to superunk and bmf last night, and I was wondering what the soundgarden catalogue of lyrics would look like if chris were not writing the bulk of them. when you look through the credits there aren't a whole lot of them, which is a little strange when you consider the writing talents of everyone in the band (but chris has some lyrical talent, so we can let that slide). so my question is: what is the best soundgarden song that has lyrics written by someone *other* than chris? I think the entire list is fairly short, but there must be a good one in there somewhere :) my two favourites would have to be head down and room a 1000 years wide, lyrics written by ben and kim, respectively. not just because they sound great, but because they sound great without chris having much input . ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Eliza J Polly Subject: SOMMS! Add me to the list...Thanks to Angela's trip to NC, I am (soon to be) the proud owner of Somms (new!). And today I picked up the special UK limited edition of Pretty Noose with the poster and postcard. It is a good day. - --eliza ------------------------------ Subject: Re: where are you seth? From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) > so my question is: what is the best soundgarden song that has > lyrics written by someone *other* than chris? Now Blind Dog you should know my answer to this one.... "Somewhere" Jamie (Pickle Eating Village Idiot) ------------------------------ From: IndigoRev7@aol.com Subject: Re: you got the juice to fill my cup... yes you can't clomp all seattle bands together, that is apparent. About comparing Soundgarden to Pearl Jam and/or Alice in Chains, You can't. : ) They're all entirely different from each other....as of late, Soundgarden being the most developed of them. Pearl Jam has wound down its singles to looooonggg meandering, soft, melodic phrases that have a hard time ending...and the chord resolutions are very predictable, as you said. Soundgarden would be more closely related to early Pearl Jam. (Present Soundgarden.) Matt Cameron leaves you in the air (blissfully) with syncopated beats....and GOD the dissonant chords are great----you don' know where anything will lead....sevenths and minor seconds everywhere you expect B flats but get these A flats!!!...DOTU is definitely more complicated melodically than Superunknown.... and in contrast to AIC, Alice in Chains is darker than Pearl Jam by a huge margin...Pearl Jam is sort of yearning for days past, a sort of nostalgic/melancholy/the world sucks attitude now. AIC uses twisted, beautiful minor melodies, but keeps them all in sync, with fifths and thirds....you know it's AIC when you hear the melody and backup going up and down together in the same intervals. AIC is similar to Soundgarden with the wailing guitars, but Soundgarden is the master of all. Just listen one day to a recent Pearl Jam ("Who We Are.") a crescendoing AIC (Heaven Beside You) and Soundgarden's "Burden in My Hand". Pearl Jam resolves totally....they always have. AIC has that hectic phrase in the middle, then resumes resolving. Soundgarden NEVER resolves.....until the very last note. Which is why i love them so! NOBODY compares to Soundgarden! End of Story!!!! IndigoRevanche "Cause fear is strong and love's for everyone Who isn't me." -words by chris cornell ------------------------------ From: IndigoRev7@aol.com Subject: Re: pearl jam and soundgarden more unrelated yes matt cameron is a way better drummer than Pearl Jam's. who is stephen perkins (yes i am in the dark) kat. ------------------------------ From: dbradsh@unity.ncsu.edu Subject: #somms hottub... the tubs bubblin and there really arent any perverts here... Dee Dee Bradshaw-Autry http://www.angelfire.com/pages1/deedee/index.html ------------------------------ From: IndigoRev7@aol.com Subject: Re: ideas Soundgarden hats?? Where?? Who?? How?? How much?? I WILL BUY!!! LOTS!!! Same goes for buttons and patches.... Great ideas!!! Hyperactive Indigo "Cause fear is strong and love's for everyone Who isn't me." -words by chris cornell ------------------------------ From: Mark Miller Subject: Re: pearl jam and soundgarden more unrelated On Tue, 20 Aug 1996 IndigoRev7@aol.com wrote: > yes matt cameron is a way better drummer than Pearl Jam's. > who is stephen perkins > (yes i am in the dark) > kat. > That was a great comparison/summation of AIC,PJ, and SG. It is sort of weird that PJ and SG have lost their distortion pedals on their latest albums but AIC hasn't. Some people have called this a lack of progression in the case of AIC. Anyway, Stephen Perkins was the drummer for Jane's Addiction. He now plays for about 10 local LA bands and Porno for Pyros. I dont like the Porno stuff as much as the Jane's stuff. I still wonder where he is coming from on some of the Jane's beats. Mark ------------------------------ From: DEFsonic Subject: Early warning for Brisbane Sommsters Hey ya, yesterday I got in the mail a notice about Red Hill Disc pro closing down. And it seems with the closing down EVERY cd is being sold, at what they call fire sale prices (whatever that really means!) Anyway I know they have a copy of SOMMS and a few singles plus all the albums, so if anyone is missing any now might be the chance to get some satuff cheap. Plus they have heaps and heaps of other cds anyway! This is early cause the sale is on sept 9th. Well the ad says sat sept 9th, but the 9th is Monday! anyway maybe sat 7th? I'll let ananyone that wants to know know :) Too bad they don't have rare vinyl stuff :) But they do have the rare singles of some bands :) :) Hope it was ofd some interest to someone. seeya Lee _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ Sonic Turn IT up and PLAY it LOUD, let the blood rush to your head. Buy: 'I was cruel' Magic Dirt 10" best song EVER :) Sonic mail: ar303921@student.uq.edu.au ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: pearl jam and soundgarden more unrelated At 10:01 PM 8/20/96 -0400, IndigoRev7@aol.com wrote: >yes matt cameron is a way better drummer than Pearl Jam's. matt cameron is a very DIFFERENT drummer than jack irons. and if i may remind the list, the album to be released NEXT WEEK will be the first time that we will hear jack irons playing pearl jam songs that were written *with* him. i am no fan of jack's drumming by a long shot. however, he has had to play songs that were not written with his drumming style in mind, in fact, dave a's style is diametrically opposed to what jack's style is. dave was a big rock drummer, whereas jack's style is more funk-based. matt cameron is the best possible drummer in the world for soundgarden. on t hat i will agree with you. >who is stephen perkins jane's addiction. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Scroggin Subject: SOMMS t-shirt. i have and have had a t-shirt with a cartoon rendering of the insert in somms , i love my shirt but the thing i like most about it is the New Damage lyrics on the back, "the wreck is going down." i orignally saw the shirt being worn by Jeff Ament , you all know him anyway i havent seen it since , so i was wondering if this shirt was rare or not ... and i once herd that SG had a shirt that said "louder than fuck" on it and as a parody the Melvins made a shirt that said "louder than soundgarden" is any of this true , and if so i want the SG shirt - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - -what is democracy???? - -i believe it has something to do with sending young men off to die. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: ThNrthFace@aol.com Subject: Future Single and Seattle Somms Meeting Howdy, Straight from The Rocket, under the "Recording News" section, in REALLY small type, is a little tidbit on SG. It says, "Soundgarden has remixed Rhinosaur for release as a single." I remember someone asking what would be the next single, and it looks like Rhinosaur is on the way sometime in the near future. Seattle Somms Meeting. I am presuming it's still on. I tend to do that sometimes. Well, I'll be there. So come one, come all. I am also assuming that it will be at the same place, direct left of the soundboard. I mean DIRECT LEFT. Go to the soundboard, and find the left side, and that's where the spot is at. If there's any more questions, just write me, I won't bite. :-) I have enough Ibuprophen here to prevent any inflamitory responses. The List Thug and defiant KTMS member, Aaron ------------------------------ From: vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu (Vasant Ramamurthy) Subject: Kim Thayil vs. the Smashing Pumpkins For some reason, people on the Smashing Pumpkins list dislike Kim for allegedly ripping on SP. One 12-year-old girl said Kim "deserves to die." That's an exact quote. Needless to say, I flamed her back to the Stone Age. Anyway, SG and SP are my 2 favorite bands, in that order, but I've never heard or read Kim say anything bad about SP. Is this true? Does anybody have any quotes from Kim about this? Frankly, I'm not sure which is true. It could be one of Billy's "blame everyone and everything" mood swings, but then again, Kim is pretty outspoken. Until I find evidence, I want to give the benefit of the doubt to Kim. Anybody know anything about this? Vasant ****************************************************************************** THE REFUGE OF THE DAMNED - Check out lots o' music stuff here!! http://ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu/~vman/me.html vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu "When new damage comes, it's a new word for plague, a new world order, a new word for hate" - New Damage - Soundgarden ------------------------------ From: Josh_Garza@teachnet.edb.utexas.edu (Josh Garza) Subject: Re(2): i'm back! NO I DONT WATCH MTV heheh seriously, i haven't had cable in my house in five years... all my typing on computer ive come up with my self, i'm not even on the internet anymore. so why is 'kool' an mtv thing?!?!?!?!?!??!!?!?!??!?!?!?! hey if u get the book. like post a few tabs on here... laterz .pencapchew toybox@email.unc.edu,Internet TeachNet Gatew writes: Ok. CFCGGE-Pretty Noose Blow up the outside world-standard (eadgbe) No attention-Dropped D Switch Opens-Dropped D, i think. I'm not too sure of the otehr songs, but i'll get the book and post all the tunings to the list. > that would be kool cuz its confusing if you dont actually have the book. Wait, kool? uh, you watch mtv, don't you? "Is all the world jails and churches?" -Rage Against the Machine - -- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- TeachNet, College of Education, University of Texas, Austin Texas - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: overfloater@thenexus.com Subject: whoa.. first of all, overfloater iz back =) helix.xiii.com is based in houston, so i ahd my cowland.com mail forwarded to there.. but i'm back in ny now, so i'm calling nexus... and having my cowland.com mail forwarded here =) so thats why you wont see mail from stolen.prayers@helix.xiii.com on the list anymore.. instead you'll see overfloater@thenexus.com.. anyway... i got my shirt today. actually, it got sent to my house a couple weeks ago, but i just got to look at it today.. and i really dig it. the font on the frotn of the shirt is cool, but that dymo tape is really better.. and the back graphic is cool... posting with my good eye closed in blue letters on a b&w fork.. my shirt has absolutely no red on it whatsoever... well, it must nto be up to par cause a lot of people are disappointed in it, but i think it's a real good shirt. too bad it took so damn long to GET Here, and too bad a lot of people don't have theirs.. some things can never be explained. i got the pretty noose part 2 of 2 single today, and that's neet.. its got a dotu poster in it which i dig... i was at a friend's house watching the tv-show "extra" (its a lot like hard copy) and i noticed smashing pumpkins being played in the background during one of their news stories. i thought that was neat. but my heart jumped up in my throat when i heard em playing fucking applebite inthe background. and if that wasn't enough, they played boot camp as well. i gotta watch that show more often... well, im gonna go now... chow ------------------------------ From: Mandy Crook Subject: Soundgarden in Oz Just to let all the Oz Sommsters that in this weeks Hard Rock Remedy in Sydney's Drum Media they have tipped SG for the Big Day Out. YAY!!!!!! They are usually pretty good with their rumours. So they make Soundgarden, Offspring and Sepultura (oh god Ive forgotten how to spell it.... how embarassing!) almost definates. Its such a long time to wait......... Cheers M ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 220] ****************************************