From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 20 Aug 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 02:09:38 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Tuesday, 20 Aug 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: irc and AOL; clear vinyl short transcript of Chris and Kim Re: Come on get happy! Re: stuff, and an apology Re: Guitar in My Hand, Burden in My Fingers Record Fairs are Good Re: [Cservice] objection to channel registration (fwd) ideas Re: sg on vacation Re: All of yous......... Hey you SGNeTfReAks, Listen hear we all watch this p.. chris' hair Re(2): Guitar in My Hand, Burden in My Fingers Re: ideas you got the juice to fill my cup... an addendum... Re: you got the juice to fill my cup... you longed to taste the shame... hi Launch hot tub is open every thing I've held is what I've freed... one more time around might do it... Re: every thing I've held is what I've freed... Re: every thing I've held is what I've freed... ------------------------------------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: irc and AOL; clear vinyl can the person who posted the info on how to configure mIRC and access IRC from AOL send it to me privately??? i need this for another mailing list. sg content: um, i can't find the BimH single ANYWHERE. *sigh*. and, i purchased a copy of the clear vinyl for someone on this list and haven't heard from them since they told me they were sending the money. i'm going to wait another week or so, but if anyone else would like a copy of the DotU clear vinyl, please let me know since i may end up with one for sale. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Outshined@aol.com Subject: short transcript of Chris and Kim tonight on 103.5 Chicago, there was a little interview clip with Chris and Kim, which follows : DJ : ...caught up with Chris Cornell and Kim Thayil of Soundgarden. One of the things I wanted to know was how they managed to keep themselves together and working while a lot of other rock stars are making headlines and fallin' apart... CC : maybe it's just the strange circumstance of four guys that actually wanted to be in a band just to play music... other than that... KT : even when we picked up other members, those were qualities we looked for, you know, after Hiro left the band... and when we needed a drummer, after Scott left the band... we saw those qualities in Matt, and in Ben, so... CC : yeah, I don't think it would be accurate to suggest that we try really hard not to do that, because we don't, it's just... our lifestyles are the way they've always been, and we haven't tried really hard to, like, show up in front of TV cameras at Hollywood parties, and we haven't tried to be reclusive and stay away from anything that might be needed, it's just us living the way we normally live... I guess it's rare that people wanna work as hard as you have to work to be a successful band without wanting a lot of the peripheral aspects of it... ya know, being talked about and seen all the time, and partaking in all sorts of excess... I think it's part of the job... KT : I think each member of the band, individually, has pretty strong integrity within themselves, as far as understanding who they are and what they're about, and that's not really gonna be shifted or swayed by how other people would perceive us... and that is a function of both the individual strength, and also a function of the kind of close circle of friends that everyone in the band would put around them... all four of us have our own close circle of friends that provide a pretty solid social support system... and we trust them, we like hanging out with them, we don't really need anything else, ya know... we're not requiring of our egos being stroked... CC : (laughs) KT : ...in any ways that would be superficial or ephemeral, and we're completely contained, ya know, socially and emotionally... CC : Hi Shroom. *** *** (words not necessarily said in this order OR during this broadcast) <~~~ my disclaimer heh heh... right after Kim, they (the radio) played Burden In My Hand... guess I get a double dose of SG interviews today... finally found a copy of Motorvision to call my own... now if only I could happen upon a copy of SOMMS... just to make sure I spelled all of Kim's words right, I ran the spell checker... the only suggestion for "Thayil" was "they'll", and the only suggestion for "Shroom" was "chrome"... (umm... If you're running on three hours of sleep, it's funny, okay? trust me...) Kevin (Outshined) ------------------------------ From: neo zeed Subject: Re: Come on get happy! On Fri, 16 Aug 1996, Chris (SGardnGrl) wrote: > I have to write to say that I am just a little bit baffled as to why > people want to be so cruel and nasty to others. PEOPLE! This is a an > opportunity to unite fellow Soundgarden fans and the reason why we all > post....which I thought was to get others together who share a mutual > enjoyment of Soundgardens music. If not, would someone please let me > know what we ARE here for? In the last few digests, I have noticed how > rude some people have been (you know who you are) to others just simply > asking questions. And I just cannot be silent any longer... Pardon me for posting, but I have to agree with you here. When I first joined this list, I thought it was a forum for Soundgarden fans to discuss the band amongst themselves. What I did not expect, however, was the juvenile malice of a little clique ganging up on "newbies" and making examples out of people on the list for merely asking questions or expressing opinions. Neither did I expect to get dragged into ridiculously petty flamewards about ridiculously petty things. There's too much latent aggression on this list. Latent aggression and misplaced teenage angst. I think many have to comes to terms with this, and don't worry kids, those spots will disappear soon!! > > Unless you think you know everything there is to know about the band > and their music, and never plan on ever asking a SG related question > yourself... then I might be able to see why you feel it to be your task > to flame others just for knowing LESS related trivia than yourself. Yes, it seems that its turned into some sort of contest of "I know more than you about Soundgarden..." or "I've been on the list longer so there!!", which, again is very petty and stupid. I've never before faced such attitudes from people on any mailing lists I've been on. Its not even as if any of this "trivia" is of any use to anyone in the real world (realisticially speaking, just in case somebody twists my words to derive a new potential flame out of them), and it makes you wonder just what some people on hdere get up to in real life. If what I've seen over the last week or so is anything to go by, then it can't be much if the spend most of their time pre-occupied with attacking people for oprning their mouths and speaking. > But the fact is.....no one knows EVERYTHING... > just some pretending to be more high & mighty, that they feel they > won't lower themselves to answer any "newbies" questions...It's the "OH > Honey, where have YOU been???"... Syndrome. Quite frankly, IT IS SAD! > Lets just get off our high horses shall we?????? Agreed. This mailing list might as well be a private forum for a small handful of elite people(!) who are so much more knowledgeable about Soundgarden than the rest of humanity (or so they think ; assuming the rest of humanity actually cares...), where they can just post a small handul of messages every day about how much they love the band, with subscription being limited to those who can pass an aptitude test filled with questions about SG. > So now we can concentrate on what is important here on this digest. > Which should be... > > Fellow fans sharing the common music tread of SOUNDGARDEN!!!! I'd love too, that's why I joined this list. What about the rest of you? .bug ------------------------------ From: neo zeed Subject: Re: stuff, and an apology On Sat, 17 Aug 1996, caryn rose wrote: > okay, here's the apology first: it never dawned on me that people on this > list don't have web access, because i never saw this list anywhere until i > encountered it on seth's page. seth and i have even discussed how it > puzzles us that people don't explore the page even a little, because they > have to go there, through several levels, to sign up. > > he does get the occasional sub message from people who hear about us from > friends. > > so, i'm going to apologize for any flames that resulted from this. but, > these are the assumptions that i made. and, as reasonable people, you can > see what my reasoning was. it was incorrect, so for that i apologize. > > one thing i would like to point out -- my flames are never name-calling. i > attack what they are saying, not them as a person. most of the flames > addressed at myself and/or shroom lately have been personal attacks, which > is a different thing. so don't say that i dish it out but can't take it -- > i NEVER call someone stupid, or a slut, or a druggie, or who knows what. > there is a big difference here. > > and as jamie requested, the flaming has ceased, so if we can stop mentioning > it over and over, it will end. > > as to the #somms takeover, if you're really interested in how irc works, > email me privately. it's just a method for a truly pathetic individual to > try to get some attention. if we let him have his precious channels, he'll > go away. or maybe not, because he obviously has no other life than to hang > out on irc doing this, as well as netsexing on other channels i won't mention. > > *shrug* > > off to a record fair tomorrow! maybe i'll pick up some fun stuff! > > next gathering of the PNW chapter of the KTMS : 8/23, at inflatable soule. > details to come later this week. > OK apology accepted. I'll stop my share of flaming. .bug ------------------------------ From: Josh_Garza@teachnet.edb.utexas.edu (Josh Garza) Subject: Re: Guitar in My Hand, Burden in My Fingers E----------------------------- G----------------------------- G------5-5-5--4-4-4------------ C--7---7-7-7--7-7-7------------ G--0------------------0h5p3p0-- C------------------------------ thats the way it is, that i figured out from the SNL tape....... the 'oh no, there she goes' part of burdeninmyhand .pencapchew - -- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- TeachNet, College of Education, University of Texas, Austin Texas - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: ansel@morgan.com Subject: Record Fairs are Good And she scores!!! Hunted Down/Nothing to Say 7" blue vinyl Screaming Life 12" orange vinyl Deep Six 12" black vinyl Fuck Me I'm Rich 12" red vinyl Sub Pop 200 12" black vinyl box set (3 LPs + booklet) Room a Thousand Years Wide 7" purple marbleized vinyl Pretty Noose 7" red vinyl #3913 Into the Upside promo interview CD -Vikki :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) Are we (Seth?/Steve?) starting to compile info. on average cost and estimated value of the multitude of SG goodies in order to guard against greedy lowlife merchants? ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: [Cservice] objection to channel registration (fwd) everyone who is pissed at Jason and/or had given their names to support his registration of #somms, *please* write and complain to cservice@undernet.org!! as you can see from the attached letter, it actually *will* have some impact!! ;-) - --caryn - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 01:30:49 -0700 From: Rainbow To: clr@nwlink.com Subject: Re: [Cservice] objection to channel registration > > >i would like to voice my objection to the registration of the channel #somms >by Jason Little, nick "Maliki", email address jlittle@together.net. the >channel was the gathering place for people from the soundgarden mailing >list, and jason volunteered to register it. > Your objection to this channel application has been recorded and forwarded to a senior admin for action. Thank you for making us aware of this. AngelBaby p.s. this is not a form letter :) ------------------------------ From: spierce@ultra.mpls.k12.mn.us (Sandy Pierce) Subject: ideas i had these ideas of things the list could make other than t-shirts. maybe we could design patches (there as easy to screen print as shirts) and buttons for backpacks and jackets cuz you can't always wear a t-shirt that people would see. i thik it's pretty cheap to make buttons. i'm not sure though. there hasn't been much talk lately about making new somms shirts, but if we do start thinking about that again, we could consider some other things too. just a thought. amanda ------------------------------ From: Moonsta693@aol.com Subject: Re: sg on vacation SNOWBOARDING!!!!! that's what Chris said. the original preety noose ------------------------------ From: Moonsta693@aol.com Subject: Re: All of yous......... Hey you SGNeTfReAks, Listen hear we all watch this p... Does it take one of the members to tell us this? thank you Chris for saying the same thing I've been saying all along! As fellow obssessors, we must band together and wallow in our obsessiveness together! If we don't, who will support us seperated. Together we stand. Divided we fall!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the original preety noose ------------------------------ From: Lanie Ebora Subject: chris' hair is it me or is chris letting his hair grow long again? ...and i'll pay no attention.. limo_wreck ------------------------------ From: Josh_Garza@teachnet.edb.utexas.edu (Josh Garza) Subject: Re(2): Guitar in My Hand, Burden in My Fingers hey it does'nt matter, i mean either of those ways WORKS, so when you play its definately good enough, doesn't have to be exactlly like soudngarden plays it, and this almost exactly right anyway...... .pencapchew Spoonman@worldnet.att.net,Internet TeachNet Gatew writes: >.pencapchew That's what it seems like to me too, except I'm almost postive there's a D note in there! I currently play it as: E------------------- G-7-7-7--7-7-7- G-5-5-5--4-4-4- C-7-7-7--7-7-7- G------------------- C------------------- the only other thing that seems close is the same as yours except doubling up on those high G strings (aka playing it on both instead of just one) . . . but it all comes back to that D . . . I don't know . . . so far, I haven't seen/heard anything that seems to work any better, so I guess I'll just stick with that . . . who knows? Maybe it's actually right . . . . . . wouldn't that be frightening . . . The Guitarist-2001 - -- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- TeachNet, College of Education, University of Texas, Austin Texas - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Subject: Re: ideas From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) >i think it's pretty cheap to make buttons. i'm not sure >though. there hasn't been much talk lately about making new somms shirts, >but if we do start thinking about that again, we could consider some other >things too. just a thought. amanda I like the button idea and if we could come up with a good design baseball caps would be interesting (although I never wear one). But we need to think of something to proclaim our present. BECAUSE...... It's the 19th and I didn't get my shirts!!!!! Remember I needed one by today.. So Mayor McCheese or Caryn if either one of you have Nothingman's phone number I would like to have it please.. Jamie (Village Idiot) ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: you got the juice to fill my cup... On Fri, 16 Aug 1996 BTimLake@aol.com wrote: > considered soundgarden a poor man's Pearl Jam. > I do enjoy the music of both bands, but I just don't see it as > comparable. Does anyone see striking similarities between the two, apart you can realistically compare both bands, because they are both rock bands. but I think that is about as far as it goes. besides both having the usual guitar-drums-vocals setup, they are kind of dissimilar in a couple of respects. pearl jam are (imho) a far more linear band than soundgarden, in that when they write music you can sort of tell where the song is going to end up. when they play songs like alive, go or tremor christ (as good as those songs are), as a listener you have a pretty good idea where the song is going to go. they just don't throw many curve balls. soundgarden, on the other hand, delight in it. take never the machine and she's a politician. those two songs are more surprising (and maybe even more interesting) than just about anything pearl jam have released. and as for the overall mood of their music, soundgarden are much darker than pearl jam. eddie can be a very emotional singer, and writes some very angry lyrics. but even their most angry songs (blood, rearview mirror, etc) don't really match up to soundgarden in full anger (limo wreck, new damage). and, if I may be so bold, soundgarden outmatch pearl jam at every instrument, which leads me to believe that soundgarden are the superior band. > I've always considered Alice in Chains a closer comparison. my thoughts exactly. alice in chains are more inclined to do something weird with their music than pearl jam, which is something I prefer. I also think aic's songs and overall demeanour is much closer to soundgarden's mostly (till this record) gloomy outlook. now that I think about it, alice in chains are probably *more* gloomy than soundgarden :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: an addendum... just to add to my last post, 'mankind' from pearl jam's new record no code was just played on jjj here in australia. and yes, I could tell what was going to happen, almost bar by bar. soundgarden win, hands down :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Subject: Re: you got the juice to fill my cup... From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) >> I've always considered Alice in Chains a closer comparison. > > my thoughts exactly. alice in chains are more inclined to do >something weird with their music than pearl jam, which is something I >prefer. I also think aic's songs and overall demeanour is much closer to >soundgarden's mostly (till this record) gloomy outlook. now that I think >about it, alice in chains are probably *more* gloomy than soundgarden :) I always though AiC was more personal than Soundgarden in their gloomy lyrics. I don't always see a first person feeling to Soundgarden - they usually sing about the world's down fall or a third person type problem. Where AiC give me a first person look. I can sit and related to their music on a one to one level better than I can with Soundgarden. Same with Inflatable Soule, Peter writes in a first person where Chris talks about someone else.. Jamie (Village Idiot) ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: you longed to taste the shame... On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Jamesetta Simpson wrote: > I always though AiC was more personal than Soundgarden in their gloomy lyrics. I > don't always see a first person feeling to Soundgarden - they usually sing about the > with Soundgarden. Same with Inflatable Soule, that's true jamie. layne and jerry are certainly more inclined to write about their own experiences, generally drug-related, and how it feels personally (take just about any song off dirt, for instance). I also agree that chris, and to a lesser degree ben, write about more societal issues, the point of view usually stemming from their own individual experiences. but I think that has changed with down on the upside. chris seems to be writing a lot more in the first person, but more importantly about his own personal actions and emotions. songs like boot camp, pretty noose and never named come right from his heart, and to me are a bit of a departure from his lyrics from superunknown, badmotorfinger and louder than love. but this could be because his lyrics have become a little less convoluted, and not veiled in the mysticism and impenetrability of songs like face pollution, searching and fresh tendrils. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: LaynSTALEY@aol.com Subject: hi i'm a pretty new subscriber here on this list... i've kinda been observing everything for a couple weeks now. for a while i've been on an alice in chains list (my absolute favorite band in the whole fuckin world), and that's how i found out about this. lately, there's been a lot of flaming and stupid stuff on that list, but jesus! that's nothing compared to this. i mean, this is just a first impression, but it doesn't seem like this list creates an atmosphere that welcomes people. i kinda figured that the point of it was to talk about soundgarden, and only about half of the messages i got were really related to the band. is this somethin that always goes on, or just a current trend? anyways, i agree with what a lot of you guys have been sayin lately: that it's annoying when all the seattle "grunge" bands are grouped together and treated as if they're exactly alike. i mean, yeah, they're all pretty similar when comparin them to fuckin boyz II men or somethin, but that's about it. i definitely think that alice in chains and soundgarden sound much more similar than either of them does to pearl jam. while i love all three, pearl jam's songs do tend to sound softer and more pop-oriented to me. more predictable, as someone else said. there are a lot of differences between alice and soundgarden, though, too. alice is definitely darker, and i think they're concentrated more on vocals, with layne's incredible voice and the great harmonies he and jerry create. i think soundgarden has a much thicker sound, and they're a lot heavier with the bass. i dunno... they both kick ass. alice has been my fave for a long time, but soundgarden is quickly gaining my attention and respect. i've liked em for a while, but when i saw them at lollapalooza this summer, i gained a whole new respect for them. they fuckin kicked ass. well anyways, laterz. caitlin ------------------------------ From: Stolen.Prayers@helix.xiii.com Subject: Launch has anyone else noticed that there are two versions of this month's launch? one is in a normal cd case, with sg on the cover.. the other one is a cardboard thinge with the audio cd and the cd rom in it. i have the cardboard one and i thought that was the only one, but i saw the other one that is in a normal jewel box and i thought that was kinda interesting. just my two cents. has anyone found the burden in my hand single yet? i've been looking for it, but no such luck. i think i'm gonna order it out of goldmine. chow... ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: hot tub is open pass the rubber duck and break out the lavender oil. the #somms hottub is open. ;-) - --caryn ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: every thing I've held is what I've freed... just wondering what everyone's take is on the lyrics to slaves and bulldozers? there are a lot of lines in there that make me think it is about the relationship between an artist (soundgarden) and a record company (a&m), especially lines like "counting all the hands I shook, now I know why you've been shaking" and "there's no more rides for free". what do other listers think? ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: one more time around might do it... now that we have heard the band's first attempt at delivering a record almost entirely produced by themselves, do any listers think that dotu was the best mixed/mastered of the bunch? I was listening to all the albums over the weekend, and I was surprised by a couple of things. for one, I knew already that jack endino was a great producer, but I never realised how good a job he does on screaming life. that production is cool, and it would be interesting to hear endino do a future soundgarden record. also, terry date did a *much* better job on badmotorfinger than his production work on louder than love. to me there is no comparison. I'm sure that if you asked him, he would probably like bmf more too. the tones coming from the guitars are superb, and the mix is just right. if only all albums could be recorded and produced as well as this...(btw, is the brazilian 12" release of bmf a joke or has someone seen one?) even though lots of dotu is produced well, I'm not sure that the band are quite as good as date or the superunk team of michael beinhorn and brendan o'brien (who dialled in some *fantastic* sounds) behind the mixing desk. their latest production effort, bleed together, to me sounds a little flat. it doesn't jump out of the speakers like mailman and room a 1000 years wide do, which is a little disappointing. I think my favourite for "best producer of a soundgarden album" would have to go to beinhorn for his work on superunk. there aren't many records around these days that fit so much in, yet still have enough space to breathe. trivia for the day: matt isn't on the front of superunknown (that one's for you seth). ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: every thing I've held is what I've freed... At 02:57 PM 8/20/96 +1000, blind dog wrote: > > > just wondering what everyone's take is on the lyrics to slaves and >bulldozers? there are a lot of lines in there that make me think it is >about the relationship between an artist (soundgarden) and a record >company (a&m), especially lines like "counting all the hands I shook, now >I know why you've been shaking" and "there's no more rides for free". >what do other listers think? that was also my initial impression of the song... then i thought it might be about a drug addict, or about a friend's drug addiction. now i tend to think it's about obsession in general perhaps??? it's a song that's come to annoy me (i know, i KNOW, blasphemy!) lately so i haven't been paying attention, and i'm been focusing on DotU more and getting away from my BMF once-a-day habit... talk about obsession.;-) does anyone else out there listen to sg every day... or try to? i've stopped recently, but for a while there it was pretty intense. ;-) my favorite come home when i'm pissed and blow the speakers song (pissed as in angry, not as in drunk, aussies and brits ;- ) ) is still 'birth ritual' -- to the point that a few years ago friends a few buildings away would call me if they heard it come blasting out of my balcony at about the time i usually arrived home, worried about what else happened at work that day... trying to start convo, - --caryn ------------------------------ From: dbradsh@unity.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: every thing I've held is what I've freed... my once a day fix is rusty cage... Dee Dee Bradshaw-Autry http://www.angelfire.com/pages1/deedee/index.html ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 219] ****************************************