From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Sunday, 18 Aug 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 01:54:32 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Sunday, 18 Aug 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: #somms Re: All of yous......... Hey you SGNeTfReAks, on a lighter note... Re: All of yous......... Hey you SGNeTfReAks, Listen hear we all , watch this p Re: on a lighter note... Smoking SHIRTGATE '96 1997 calender irc servers long trailers I want to be a cowboy star upon the screen... Zero Chance STuFF n MoRe STuFF n eVeN MoRe STuFF Web page/#somms latest zines stuff, and an apology MacWorld and Frank Kozik I want to be a cowboy star upon the screen... soylent green is made of PEOPLE!!! ------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: #somms From: joshua.jordan@estates.com (JOSHUA JORDAN) Okay, here's my idiot post. I can't get #somms to work... there's never anyone in there... What server is it on??? Thanks, Josh ------------------------------ From: "stella" Subject: Re: All of yous......... Hey you SGNeTfReAks, > From: ChrisCornell@SG.NET > Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 23:05:50 -0700 > Subject: All of yous......... > Hey you SGNeTfReAks, > Listen hear we all watch this place. And lately ive seen alot of negative stuff. Your all here for once purpose and one purpose only....to enjoy the music we play, the sounds we make. If you dont get alone your jus God if you're gonna fake an email atleast do it convincingly! stop trying to be a hacker and get out of unix. - --- srogers@fix.net http://www.fix.net/~srogers http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/1534 "Not only is life a bitch, but its always having puppies" ------------------------------ From: jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu (grote) Subject: on a lighter note... well, i don't really feel very mean and nasty today and i'd rather not type a string of insults and profanity so i hope this post won't get ignored... (read: c'mon people, let's drop the irc crap and get back to bidness...as has been stated, the best thing to do now is just NOT USE THE CHANNEL. it'll pass. it's a power trip...) ANYWAY...leave it to good ol' grote to attempt to break the ice...:) my brother moved in with us this week, and in his pile of movables my other roomate and i found a box of trading cards. they were in a basketball card box, but we opened them and they weren't b-ball cards...they were "ProSet SpuerStars MusiCards." :) we rooted through them and were just laughing our asses off...the cards were printed in 1992...vanilla ice, damn yankees, debbie gibson...all the greats. anyway, i left for work this morning while my roomates were still crying tears of laughter and rooting through the rest of the cards. i returned later this afternoon and was paging through the daily paper when i noticed something stuck on the fridge...it was one of the trading cards. i had stuck the vanilla ice card on the fridge earlier because it was just so dopey, but now there was a second one...yup, you guessed it...soundgarden. my jaw dropped. the photo of the band was kind of washed-out and bland-looking. chris had the hair, was shirtless and pasty white (partially because of the washed-out photo.) kim looked the same, matt had long, floppy shoulder-length hair...but the killer was ben. he had a big mop of greasy hair just matted down on his head...there was another picture on the back which was similar but depicted ben even greasier...shirtless and with really bad hair. as if all of this wasn't enough (plus the fact that my roomate said he found the card stashed between tina turner and perfect gentlemen), here's the bio on the back of the card: SOUNDGARDEN - #238 A longtime underground fave, Soundgarden is a group with courage. Not afraid to take the honesty of punk and mix it together with the heaviness of metal, they play relentless, powerhouse music laced with hooks, riffs and speed. ALBUMS: Louder Than Love (1989), Badmotorfinger (1991). MEMBERS: Chris Cornell (vocals), Kim Thayil (guitar), Matt Cameron (drums) and Ben Shepherd (bass). heh heh...the publisher is listed at the bottom of the card, but it's hard to make out... Winterland Productions, maybe? Under that it says "Rock Express." oh well, there you have it. the cards are actually pretty nice, design-wise. sure, they've got the flashy "circus magazine" look with hot pink, black and leopard-dot graphics, but that's forgivable, i suppose. but "powerhouse music"???? i dunno... and "laced with speed"??? sounds like my breakfast cereal... :) sorry, i'm in desparate humor mode. PLEASE, FOLKS. BE HAPPY. i'm sure you'll feel better soon. i'm in the closing stages of a flamewar with our pal .bug and it's good to work it out of the 'ol system. don't forget what has made this list great!!! let me recap... 1) haikus 2) merchandising tycoons 3) lawsuits o'plenty 4) hootchies galore 5) lusting after band members (well, not me personally...um...uh... but it's fun to watch... :) ewww... that didn't sound good..... :) ) 6) rental hubbies 7) law and order (courtesy of the list thug and newbie-stompin' caryn) 8) above all, a rockin' list membership and meaningful dialogue...so let's keep it that way... that is all...don't make me be cute and cuddly and pacifying again...i don't think i can stomach it more than once... :) i just got done wading through two cd-roms full of saturday night live multimedia stuff so you caught me in a good mood...tomorrow i get grumbly again like everybody else... >:-< later... - -- ######################################################################## # GROTE!!!!! "I don't remember half the time # # If I'm hiding or I'm lost # # jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu But I'm on my way....." -Chris Cornell # ######################################################################## ------------------------------ From: "Dan \"Pop-tart\" Hearsch" Subject: Re: All of yous......... On Fri, 16 Aug 1996 ChrisCornell@SG.NET wrote: every once in a while someone comes out and says something like this, and people get a little warm feeling in their heart, and make a pledge or a resolution owhatever to not be such assholes anymore. then, of course, at least on this list, things "turn it back around" and everything starts up again. every time it just turns into a big power struggle, and lately it seems to be that those "self-righteous" individuals on the list have decided to take it upon themselves to clean everything up. this type of internet fascism, for lack of a better term, really just bites me in the ass. maybe i am a fool for believing that THE chris cornell actually wrote this post, but nonethelss, it makes me sick to think that these kinds of power struggles are happening within a group of people who have contact with each other solely and as a direct result of soundgarden's music. when i listen to SG, i have always felt that what the music is about is living as best you can in a less than perfect world. on this list, sometimes i feel like i'm watching some kind of perverted political nonesense. i can see that on tv on every fucking channel any time over the next two weeks. it seems like people like caryn and shroom provide good content to the list, but they can't take what they dish out. neither hesitates to throw flames out there, yet at what seems like the drop of a hat or a mildly rebuking note, it's like on big gang bang, with those people who have supposedly been on the list longer taking sides and a conmdescending attitude. i continue, and will continue, to subscribe to the list because of the information and interesting trivia i receive from everyone, but reading everyone's complaints about this, the list should be called bitch session, not somms. for all the talk about people needing to clean up the flames and grow up and respect each other, i see the least respect coming from those who protest the loudest. those in glass houses, know what i mena vern? in any casei will feel free to use my delete key in the future, as i have in the past, but this high and mighty attitude about being here the longest is bullshit. not if it were about being here the longest, soundgarden would never have been able to put chief sealth's lyrics to "into the void" because that letter never would have been written. whether or not chris cornell actually posted to the list is irrelevant, even though that would really be cool and make me, as well as i assume everyone else, feel really good, but assuming he did, the fact that his one reply ever is a rebuke for being a bunch of whiny assholes is jsut plain poor. if i were in a really cool band and had devoted fans as sg does, and i saw this kind of petty stuff going on, i'd be sick as well. nice to see we made a good first impression. flame away ------------------------------ Subject: Re: on a lighter note... From: tonerkin@usa.pipeline.com (Tonerkin) On Aug 17, 1996 01:52:27, 'jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu (grote)' wrote: >that is all...don't make me be cute and cuddly and pacifying again...i >don't think i can stomach it more than once... :) AHHHHHH! a kinder, gentler Grote!!! " What the world needs now is love sweet love. No, not just for some but for everyone!" Wouldn't Kim just die if he knew someone quoted a Burt Baccarach(sp), Dionne (a psychic is your friend for just $19.95 a minute)Warwick song on the Soundgarden mailing list??? Soungarden Trading cards.......... I like it!! Another activity at our convention- swapping cards. Frank could have a series with his artwork. We could have stats on the back like Ben's furthest spit, bending radius of Kim's weird thumb, amount of inches between old Chris hair and new, Matt's e-mail address. Of course you wouldn't want to trade cards with some people the cardboard would be all wavy and sticky from them licking the pictures!!! It's always fun to fight so we can kiss and make up!!! toni ------------------------------ From: GeekGirl@aol.com Subject: Smoking >>Matt, i think he does smoke reds or lights. if I remember. If I can remember my Matt trivia correctly... I don't belive that he smokes... at least not cig's. I think that I remember reading somewhere that he actually hates it... I could be totally wrong here.. guess it would'nt be the first time.. !!!! ahhh well... The Blessed SOMMS Goddess Dena :)~ ------------------------------ From: GeekGirl@aol.com Subject: SHIRTGATE '96 Hi Everyone!!!! The more I read about the shirts the more I wonder how many Screen printers did he go to???? It seems to me the that every time someone posts to the list that they recieved their shirts the quality and COLOR of these shirts( the shirt itself and the printing) seem to vary greatly!!!!!! Is it just me or what??? Has anyone else notice this??? >>Overall it is >>not bad,although the wording ,on the back of the twisted fork,is difficult >>to read.blue against red background. OK.. did'nt Vikki say that when her mom told her what the shirt looked like...Her mom said that the shirt wording was purple and the fork was blue??? whoa... excusew me??? is the wording Purple or was it Blue??? I have be pretty silent up to this point regarding the shirts. I was never one to blast Nothingman for the LACK of shirts because I made some for myself and others.Yet as the days go by I find myself getting more and more upset with the fact that the shirt that I paid for has STILL not arrived!!!! I have a few theories of what Nothingman did once he recieved our money but I am not gonna go into that right now.What I do have to say is this......... ( and I am sorry to have resorted to this!!!but I see no other way as to getting the merchandis that I paid for with my hard earned money!!!) NOTHINGMAN........CAN YOU HEAR ME?????........ it's high time to deliver those shirts!!! either PAY UP... GET US THE DAMN SHIRTS....or PAY the CONSEQUENCES....you have had more than enough time to finish it!! If you don't think that I am serious...JUST TRY ME.... I will be going to the post office to file a complaint against YOU..... and when thats finished I will be mailing Caryn or the Mayor for your personal address and phone number.....so you better count on the fact that I WILL BE IN TOUCH!!!!!!!!!! A not so happy BSG!!!! Dena :( ------------------------------ From: spierce@ultra.mpls.k12.mn.us (Sandy Pierce) Subject: 1997 calender i just bought the soundgarden 1997 calender and i am soo disapointed. it's got great pictures, but i bought it cuz i need a calender and it doesn't even have boxes for each day, just little numbers along the bottom. if i had known that i couldn't write stuff in i wouldn't have spent 14$. so if anyone is going to buy it, beware that there is no place to write down anything. amanda ------------------------------ From: rea47935@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu (hasswipee) Subject: irc servers >Please help, I use Mirc4.0. I can never log into the undernet. I = >always get too many users or connection timed out or some shit like = >that. I can usually get thought on irc1.cerf.net. But no Somms channel = >there. What do I do? Just In Case some other people still havent been able to get on the undernet, ill share with you people a little nugget of joy and post the names of the servers which I use. lowell.ma.us.undernet.org atlanta.ga.us.undernet.org pittsburgh.pa.us.undernet.org norman.OK.US.undernet.org dallas.tx.us.undernet.org blacksburg.va.us.undernet.org sanjose.ca.us.undernet.org I just finished reading my digest for Saturday, because I like to read all my mail before I post, and maybe with everything that's going on, some people might not feel inclined to go on anymore. Is there any official word on the # yet? Should we not go anymore? Is it registered yet? We haven't lost our place to chat because of some asshole on a power trip have we? - -Raul, who thought that he might not have to put up with assholes on power trips when not in school during the weekend. p.s. "what this does is secure the channel from takeovers etc...and makes it more stable..so we wont have to worry about them Metallica fans trying takeovers :)" -Jason Little Oh ok. I feel safe now that Metallica fans arent taking over the #. See now this way we can have list members take over! Don't we feel safe. ------------------------------ From: infinite Subject: long trailers keeping mouth shut about #somms and other stuff.... one request, though... i get the digest and it's irritating to get = trailers (what i call the things at the end of messages, don't know real = name) that are pages (mail size) long.. could those of us that have = them possibly cut them down a little bit? i don't really need an entire = song's lyrics.. =09 ps. exactly what did jason due on #somms, posts were vague... ------------------------------ From: rea47935@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu (hasswipee) Subject: I want to be a cowboy star upon the screen... Ummmm....Since when did #somms AND #somms1 become invite only? Oh this Jason piece of shit is pissing me off. Seth, cant you remove him from the list so that we could start a new IRC # without him knowing? This has gone too far. I thought he was an asshole when I heard he was banning people, but this has gone too far. There goes the only place for intelligent soundgarden chat. - -Raul ------------------------------ From: SoundGrdn3@aol.com Subject: Zero Chance Hey-- Would any of the guitarists happen to have a "Zero Chance" or "Dusty" TAB? Or anything else in standard tuning by SG? If you do, please e-mail me at AOL. Thanks a lot! ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: STuFF n MoRe STuFF n eVeN MoRe STuFF >Why is it that people feel they have to humiliate others publicly? Why >not just do it privately? >"Aw gee, but THAT'S no fun", I can hear Shroom say!! :-) Au contraire, Carolyn. It's fun to humiliate people privately, too. ;-) But thanks for the salute, anyway. =) >"Hey Susan, hand me that trowel, this hootchie's weilding a >pretty deadly looking eggplant." ~ Chris Cornell > (Words not necessarily said in that order...) <~~~ my disclaimer Jeeeez, Ben!! I think you're not giving our wolfboy enough credit!! I'm sure he's run up against plently of hootchies in his time. And he's certain to meet up with at least one more within the next year. =) And hey... you listed words that you were sure that Chris, Kim and Ben have never said... but what about Mattster? Can't leave him out, especially since he's "hep" enough to be checking out the list. C'mon Ben... finish this thread!! >Personally, I think Cornell blows away Eddie. Eddie's good, but just >doesn't have the range. Agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed!!!!! >And another thing Jason, don't fuck with the Thug, especially when >he asks you not to. He doesn't take kindly to that, and has a real >good memory for shit like that. I might just have to call the KTMS >into action against this egotistical little fuckhead. I got your back, Aaron!! The KTMS is ready to participate in some bloodshed. Just give us the word!! Heheheh... Kim would be SO proud of us! >It's the "OH Honey, where have YOU been???"... Syndrome. Quite >frankly, IT IS SAD! >Lets just get off our high horses shall we?????? Okokok... I'll admit it. I'm a snob. I laugh at people who know little about Soundgarden. I ridicule them to the point of tears on occasion. I'm obsessed. Is there a twelve-step program for Soundgarden addiction? "Hello everyone... my name is Shroom, and I'm a Soundgarden-aholic." "HI SHROOM!!!" People have been pointing this out to me for years, but I can't seem to help it. It's just frustrating as hell for me when people say things like "The new Soundgarden album sucks. I like OLD Soundgarden... like Fell On Black Days." AAUUGGHH!!! I swear, someone actually said that to me the other day. And when I was finished berating them, I got called a know-it-all bitch. Is there help for people like me? I love you guys, but some newbies get on my nerves (sorry people). I'm mean, evil, and a snob. Yep, I'll be going to hell for sure now. Ain't life grand?!? =) >Of course you wouldn't want to trade cards with some people the >cardboard would be all wavy and sticky from them licking the pictures!!! Yet another symptom of my addiction, Toni. I can't help it. Chris just looks SO good in some of these pictures... I've gotta lick the paper!! Heheheh... y'know what? To hell with a twelve-step program. I LOVE being obsessed. Oh, and just a quick note to all other hootchies on the list who have the same problems as me... (everyone who's not into Chris' sexy body will want to ignore this next part): The newest Frederick's of Hollywood catalog... page 73, letter H. Can you picture Chris in it. Ouch!! Heheheh... I think I'd die of an instant heart attack. =) But what a way to go, huh? And now a note to the esteemed drummer and fellow honorary SOMMSTER of whom we admire so greatly: HEY MATT!!! Ummm... sorry for calling you a patronizing bastard in one of my posts earlier this year. I'll make it up to you (mmmm... alcohol), if you meet us at the OK on the evening of Oct 25th. =) You're not above bribery, are you? (Hey, I've gotta try people.) Heheheh... Shroom Red Haired Devil-Hootchie, Proud member of the Kim Thayil Mercenary Squad, and Seattle-bound-obsessed-SOMMS-psycho (See you in October, Chris and Matt!!!) "Shure I've got picturesh of Chrish naked, Shroomyy! Let'sh jusht grab a couple more drinksh and then we can go back to my plashe and I'll show 'em to ya!" ~ a very intoxicated Matt Cameron (Words not necessarily said in that order...) <~~~ my disclaimer ------------------------------ From: Heather Aston Subject: Web page/#somms Who is this dreadful little man? How can he take over #somms. I'm not too computer literate, can someone explain this too me? All of the posts about it were confusing. Also, not everyone has access to the Web page. So why flame someone by telling them they should look something up on the web page before asking on the list? Keep in mind they may not have access to the page, and really, where else are they going to ask? ------------------------------ From: Terri Parks Subject: latest zines Just wanted to mention a few of the latest mags that are out right now in case you havent seem em.... latest issue of Livewire w/SG on cover. July/Aug of BSide (SG article) Oct issue of Metal Edge (great pic of SG (especially Chris) and a small one of Chris) latest issue of Secons w/SG on cover and some very interesting pix of SG and interview issue #4 of HYPNO (SG article) If I'm missing others, please post! That's all for now. ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: stuff, and an apology okay, here's the apology first: it never dawned on me that people on this list don't have web access, because i never saw this list anywhere until i encountered it on seth's page. seth and i have even discussed how it puzzles us that people don't explore the page even a little, because they have to go there, through several levels, to sign up. he does get the occasional sub message from people who hear about us from friends. so, i'm going to apologize for any flames that resulted from this. but, these are the assumptions that i made. and, as reasonable people, you can see what my reasoning was. it was incorrect, so for that i apologize. one thing i would like to point out -- my flames are never name-calling. i attack what they are saying, not them as a person. most of the flames addressed at myself and/or shroom lately have been personal attacks, which is a different thing. so don't say that i dish it out but can't take it -- i NEVER call someone stupid, or a slut, or a druggie, or who knows what. there is a big difference here. and as jamie requested, the flaming has ceased, so if we can stop mentioning it over and over, it will end. as to the #somms takeover, if you're really interested in how irc works, email me privately. it's just a method for a truly pathetic individual to try to get some attention. if we let him have his precious channels, he'll go away. or maybe not, because he obviously has no other life than to hang out on irc doing this, as well as netsexing on other channels i won't mention. *shrug* off to a record fair tomorrow! maybe i'll pick up some fun stuff! next gathering of the PNW chapter of the KTMS : 8/23, at inflatable soule. details to come later this week. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu (Vasant Ramamurthy) Subject: MacWorld and Frank Kozik Quick, somebody look at the page after the inside front cover of the Oct 96 issue of MacWorld. See at the bottom where it says "illustrated by Frank Kozik", is that *the* Frank Kozik? Damn good drawing I must say. It sorta looks like Sluggo from the cartoon Nancy. Vasant ****************************************************************************** THE REFUGE OF THE DAMNED - Check out lots o' music stuff here!! http://ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu/~vman/me.html vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu "When new damage comes, it's a new word for plague, a new world order, a new word for hate" - New Damage - Soundgarden ------------------------------ From: Stolen.Prayers@helix.xiii.com Subject: I want to be a cowboy star upon the screen... RE>piece of shit is pissing me off. Seth, cant you remove him from the list so RE>that we could start a new IRC # without him knowing? This has gone too far. RE>I thought he was an asshole when I heard he was banning people, but this has RE>gone too far. RE>There goes the only place for intelligent soundgarden chat. RE>-Raul oops, i deleted too much.. anyway, we could start a new channel on another server, couldn't we? chow ------------------------------ From: PATRICK PERFETTO Subject: soylent green is made of PEOPLE!!! heyyyyyyyyyyyyy fellow list members!!!! i've missed you all very much. my 'net has been down for TWO WEEKS!!!!! AUGH! i never thought i was very net obsessed... but i can say: it's been wierd without the list EVERY DAY. AND even though i'm a big SG fan... i can't sit here and rot while i read all the digests so.... if i've missed any un-ignorable quotes from SHROOM, the latest threats to heather mifflin, new lawsuits for BRIAN & gROTE, and new members, news, etc..... please feel free to fill me in. thanx. peace to you all! kym ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 217] ****************************************