From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 8 Aug 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 01:33:19 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Thursday, 8 Aug 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Re: You know youre obsessed with Soundgarden when all the love gone bad, turned my world to black... So many demands, so little time. odds and ends... Re: You know youre obsessed with Soundgarden when ok.. somms/convention etc... Registered SOMMS Re: Re: sg response Re: Too Young to Drink? Re: sg response SOMMS registered SG wishful covers air grote... Sommsfest '96 Launch Magazine more obsession... ok.. Smoke SG on SNL video? sg and moms Re: sg and moms Re: Smoke RE: more obsession... Re: sg and moms giveaway #8 se acabo hanging out with Kim Thayil... Re: sg and moms Re: Quasi-Soundgarden Related Trivia (Another) Shirt Idea Re: metallifucks Re: Quasi-Soundgarden Related Trivia re: Like promised...Irvine-Lolla reviews, conventions, and various unrelated matierial ------------------------------------------------------------ From: The Guitarist-2001 Subject: Re: You know youre obsessed with Soundgarden when At 06:30 PM 8/4/96 +0000, Unkind wrote: >you start having dreams about Wheel of Fortune and one of the phrases is >"Blow Up The Outside World". That reminds me of a dream I had just last night [one of those nifty flashback sequences...] WARNING: POINTLESS RAMBLING AHEAD - READ AT YOUR OWN RISK I dunno. I know other people have posted their SG-related dreams in the past, so I thought I'd do the same, since this has really stuck out in my mind. Actually, it was probably more like a nightmare than a dream. ok, on with it then. I went to Lolla! In my dream. It seemed more like an art gallery than a concert place. People would just walk around and look at the different stages/bands. There were three stages instead of two. I wandered around a bit, watching/listening to my subconsciousness' rendering of the other bands at Lolla (I've never actually heard any of the bands except Screaming Trees, SG, Rancid, and metallica), and thinking (of course) about SG the whole time. And then, just as SG would be scheduled to come on, I realize that I'm at the last show of Lolla, and that they're not there!! Nooooooooo!!! I didn't even bother waiting for Metallica. I woke up right then and there, to a stereo playing SG, and the realization that it was all just a dream, I hadn't even made it that close to seeing Soundgarden (I didn't make it to Lolla), and I still have yet to see them! Arrgh! I guess I'll just have to wait another decade or however long it takes them to come around here again . . . as I said, it was really more of a nightmare. If I was going to have a dream about Soundgarden, the least they could do is show up! People say things like "yeah, meet Soundgarden? In your dreams" - Am I that degrading, that they won't even be in my f'ing DREAMS?!?! They're too busy playing Wheel of Fortune in "Unkind"'s dreams?! C'mon! Ok, I'll stop now. I'm sorry, t's 11:00pm and I tend to get carried away when I'm too tired to control myself. Thank you, if you actually bothered to waste your time reading this. Both of you. The Guitarist-2001 ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: all the love gone bad, turned my world to black... On Tue, 6 Aug 1996 melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net wrote: > >In my opinion, that isn't good. SG should be complex enough where few can > >play their chords. > > Wait, just a sec, bro. Since when does super complex = good ? Since never. > Though complex can sometimes interesting, a lot of times it adds up to a lot > of weird sounds together. Ahem, noise, if you will. Think about how ear I'm not sure what the original post was trying to say gregg (someone telling the band how complex their music should be?), and I do agree with you for the most part. but I think that, along with chris' drinking, it is a question of degree with regards to musical complexity. one of the reasons which makes soundgarden's music so cool (ie. interesting) to me is their approach to writing music. they have no qualms over writing songs, or even small parts of songs, in 9/8, 15/8 or some other weird-ass time signature. they seem more comfortable writing in alternate tunings than in standard. basically, their songs are generally pretty different to your standard fare. moreover, I think that the soundgarden form of complexity (let's face it, there aren't armies of bands around who can both write and play soundgarden-type music) is completely different to the musical complexity you are talking about. I agree that the complicated music made by guys like robert fripp and king crimson isn't always very listenable. who wants to listen to a weird ambient/industrial/fusion sort of band who are only interested in playing a freeform jam for twelve minutes, pleasing only their experimental ears and nothing else? stuff like that is generally going to be showy or just pure self-indulgence. in the end soundgarden's attraction (imho) rests upon their ability to blend technical prowess and experimentation with great riffs and melodicism. and while that may add up to noise from time to time, that can be a good thing too :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: ThNrthFace@aol.com Subject: So many demands, so little time. Se habla espaniol? Um, Cerveza! That's about all I know, but it works for me. Anyways, after breaking Nothingmans kneecaps and dispatching him if necessary, I'm off to hunt down the cyberjockey who did the Lolla Netcast. So I guess it's up to me to decide what to do with him and his remaining parts? Um okay, remember, you heard nothing from me. This all happened without our knowledge. Got that!?!?! You know, if you take a "t" out of List Thug, you get List Hug. I would now like to take this opportunity to give this list a hug for being so neat. I am also formerly entering myself in the MR. Hootchie Somms pageant. I will be MR. HOOTCHIE SOMMS!!! They will sing to me! Okay, I'll settle down now. Is anyone else aware of the fact that you can dismember someones ear with only about 7lbs. of pressure? Just one of the things you learn in the Kim Thayil Mercenary Squad. Kim Thayil for President!!! More innebriated ramblings from The List Thug, Aaron "That guy Aaron can't be stopped! He's insane!!! He's MR. HOOTCHIE SOMMS!!!!!"-Kim Thayil ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: odds and ends... I read in kerrang yesterday that the burden single won't be out till the 16th of september in the uk, which would be a pretty good indication of release dates for the rest of the world. sadly, if that is true, then we won't have the new bsides until this month is long gone :( I was hoping it was going to be here in australia *last* month, so this is a long delay. perhaps the band hadn't finalised everything before they went on tour? I just wonder if bleed together and karaoke (thanks dena) were recorded long ago, or if they have been hitting the studio between shows. I heard the new alice in chains unplugged record this morning, and it does kick major bootay :) the video aired here last saturday night, and I missed it. but thankfully littlejoe happened to be walking past his tv and taped it. jamie, stay home and watch it if you know what is good for you :) lastly, steve, the screaming trees are going to be touring here some time in october. I know that that is more non-information than anything else, but at least you can be content in the knowledge that they won't be in your town that month. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Stolen.Prayers@helix.xiii.com Subject: Re: You know youre obsessed with Soundgarden when >People say things like "yeah, meet Soundgarden? In your dreams" - Am I >that degrading, that they won't even be in my f'ing DREAMS?!?! They're >too busy playing Wheel of Fortune in "Unkind"'s dreams? Come on! They werent actually playing it in my dream.. but I was watchin Wheel of Fortune, and the thinge that was up on that big stage, where Vanna spins them letters - it was a phrase, and the phrase was Blow Up The Outside World, and I knew it, but no one actually playing Wheel of Fortune - the actual contestants - knew it =) Weird, eh? I've had my share of weird Soundgarden dreams, one of my favorites is where I meet Chris Cornell and pay close attention to his argyle socks. (I have no idea.) chow.. unkind@cowland.com ------------------------------ From: Stolen.Prayers@helix.xiii.com Subject: ok.. Has anyone found that "Launch" cd thinge with Karaoke on it? How is it, if you've heard the song? I went to three stores today, called four more, and only Blockbuster Music seems promising - they said they'll get some in stock Thursday. And what about the "Burden In My Hand" single? Did that actually come out in late July or does it really come out in August? I hope it really does have "Bleed Together" on it, I'm dying to hear that song. My search for Launch wasn't totally fruitless - I found the Soundgarden cd book, as well as a 107.5 the Buzz magazine today - one of the Houston stations - and it had Soundgarden on the cover... pretty cool.. the interview is ages old though, it refered to Down On The Upside as Down The Upside and it mentioned a song called Exquisite Corpse.. sounds pretty interesting. But even though the interview was old it had a lil sidebar that mentioned Kim getting arrested. I'll post it tomorrow.. It's a pretty short interview... ok, I'll shut up now =) chow.. unkind@cowland.com ------------------------------ From: Jenny <100233.477@CompuServe.COM> Subject: somms/convention etc... does anyone want to send me a dub of SOMMS? excuse my ignorance but what songs are on it?? ill pay postage/cost of tape/whatever... re: the somms convention... hehe... all the list people in bands can make a tacky sg tribute album and the profits can pay for us overseas sommsters to go to the convention ! ... it could happen ... (!) :) oh and for your personal entertainment ... me: ummm you know how you got lots of frequent flyer points... uncle with lots of frequent flier points: yeah? me:uh could you like get me a return ticket to the u.s? cause i uh wanna go see soundgarden..its for a good cause ! (umm i dunno exactly what) uncle:heheh...... is your father home or not? sad but true ..... :) - - jenny ------------------------------ From: Jason Little Subject: Registered SOMMS Ok i will be registering the SOMMS channel soon...but i need 10 supporters...email me privately if your willing to be a supporter for the SOMMS irc channel thanks! More info later ------------------------------ From: crybaby Subject: Re: Re: sg response On 6 Aug 1996, Karen Monoker wrote: > When did CC ever act like a complete idiot? I think that he is incredible no > matter what he does. And to everyone else who got a little ticked off at me > for trying to say that it is ok for Chris to drink, I care about him and the > band too! That is not what I meant. Again, you miss my point. I was not criticizing CC for drinking (we all do it sometimes), but if you have to be blind drunk in order to play live, then what sort of a frontman are you? > Of course we all would like him to be > healthy, and we don't want him to screw himself up so that he can't play > shows, but that really is not up to us. Of course it isn't, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't express out opinions on it if we want to... > Granted they are rock stars, their > job is to make music and that in turn makes them want to make their fans > happy with their music. But I would hope that first and foremost they want > to write and play music for themselves, otherwise they would not be happy. And what has "playing music for themselves" got to do with Chris not being able to perform live without the influence of alcohol? > So if Chris decides to drink himself into oblivion sometimes (I certainly do > not agree with whoever said he is constantly drunk!) that is his choice and > should really not affect any of his fans. No-one's "affected" by his choices (as you so put it), but we should all feel free to have our opinions and speak our minds about it if we want to. The same freedom that entitles CC to go on stage as a drunken wreck in order for him to actually play anything is the same freedom that entitles us to express our opinions on his behaviour if we so wish. Nobody's trying to tell the band or anybody what to do (or whatever) if CC wants to get blasted to play, then its up to him. I just thought he was made of stronger stuff, that's all. > I don't think that if any of us > got loaded the whole list would care. Also do you really think that he has > to rest his voice right now because of his drinking and smoking? It wasn't even me that brought that up, so there's little point asking me. > Just my thoughts, no need to get angry :) Er... that's OK, nobody *is* angry. .bug ------------------------------ From: crybaby Subject: Re: Too Young to Drink? On Tue, 6 Aug 1996 oponfam@cnsnet.com wrote: > Boy, I am FAR from being too young to drink! I thought when you > mentioned age that you were going to bitch about us old fogeys not > knowing how to have fun. > > I don't think my messages have been coming across the way I mean them. > I don't see anything wrong with a person drinking, that isn't the > point. The point is, usually at some point in a person's life other > things become more important than telling everyone how puking drunk > you are going to get (I know, that's an old quote, but there've been > recent ones, too). I guess I thought maybe Chris had reached that > point. I have friends in their late thirties, forties and even older > who are still partying like they did when they were 18. I'm sorry, but > that seems not only sad, but somewhat sick. There is so much more to > life, as I have learned. > > And actually I WOULD find it offensive if I paid good money to see > Soundgarden perform and then had to listen to some drunken diatribe > from Chris. I hate to go back to this, but when I used to see them > alot in "91 and '92 Chris said very little, and I don't remember him > ever extolling the glories of alcohol on stage, although I'm sure they > were drinking their share off stage. He always came off as a smartass, > but a very intelligent, sensitive smartass and thats how I've always > seen him. I guess reality really does bite. > > I also agree with the people who mentioned Chris' smoking. As people > who really care about Chris and all of SG I believe we have every > right to be concerned with things like this. > > > I just hope, for obvious reasons, > > that chris' drinking (did he once refer to himself as an alcoholic?) > > doesn't ever adversely affect the band in any way. it would be terrible, > > to say the least. so before you start scoffing at people for being > > concerned, ask yourself this: is it so wrong to care? > > Blind Dog, I think that was beautiful. Your post really says it all. Amen. Just because we all like Soundgarden, it doedsn't mean that the band or its memebers are incapable of doing any wrong and that they should be defended to the hilt for everything they do (no matter how stupid). .bug ------------------------------ From: crybaby Subject: Re: sg response On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Vasant Ramamurthy wrote: > It's not that we're all teetotallers. It's because we care. We don't want > him to pull a John Bonham, if you know what I mean. Agreed. Anyway Karen, what if CC started shooting up Heroin and we spoke up about it? Would it mean that we're "criticizing CC for having fun", would you still maintian that we should "let him get on with it", and "let him have his fun"? Thought not... .bug ------------------------------ From: Jason Little Subject: SOMMS registered i posted the message earlier about getting SOMMS registered...to get the process going...i need at least 12 users who use Somms on irc...that will allow me to use their name and email address. Its just a precaution they take to ensure that the channel will get use. Once i get the 12 names i submit the app and from there it can take upto a month....what this does is secure the channel from takeovers etc...and makes it more stable..so we wont have to worry about them Metallica fans trying takeovers :) I have one name right now...looking for 12 more...doesnt matter if you use irc or not! Thanks! ------------------------------ From: Mayor McCheese Subject: SG wishful covers From sitting here, I want SG to cover: "I'm Just a Singer in a Rock-n-Roll Band" by Moody Blues. Chris' vocals could bring this song alot, and it would be a funny twist . . . considering how everyone seems to fawn over Chris . . . And the start would be interesting, kinda like "Gun". They could slow it down and "Soundgardenize" it. "9-9" by R.E.M. (off of Murmur) Not only my favorite R.E.M., but one I think SG could *easily* pull of as one of their own. Give it a listen if you have it handy. This song's guitar is so "ultramega OK" and the last part were Stipe says "Conversation Fear" reminds me of chris everytime. "Hurdy Gurdy Man" by Donovan. I've said it before . . . get out the leslie amp and let Matt pound. "Peace Frog" and/or "Soft Parade" by the Doors. Hey, I loved Waiting for the Sun, but these songs are so . . . necessary. "When the World is Running Down, You Make the Best of What's Around" by the Police. This song needs to be darker sounding . . . and SG could do it.. Mayor McCheese XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX *** Time to Play the McCheese "Name the Fav" Game *** Just Reply to me with the Song Title and Artist And I'll tell you your cool or something Last time, with no winner: "Born to Love Volcanoes" by The Dead Milkmen Here's a new one: "Sitting in an English garden waiting for the sun If the sun don't come you get a tan From standing in the English rain" ------------------------------ From: jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu (grote) Subject: air grote... > caryn wrote: > hey there... friends from missouri are flying out for pearl jam and scored > $190 round trip. ;-P get a good travel agent! hell, i'll volunteer mine! yes, but you're talking about fares from a major commercial airport. flights out of omaha are traditionally $70-$80 more than anything out of kc or st. louie...and my friend helps compile prices for a national flight database in orlando, so he's on constant eternal lookout for cheap-ass flights for me...(i take trips to d.c. and new orleans whenever i can to visit friends, and have gotton decent rates on those...although i still saved almost $120 once this spring by driving to kc and flying out of there...) ah, nebraska... >:-( > i sent all the pj people to her last time... "um, hello, i'm a friend of > caryn rose's, i need a cheap flight to new orleans... yep, going to see > pearl jam too..." ha ha...you know you've got a good reputation when...(see above) :) > starbucks sucks careful...i'm a java hound and certified coffee/beer/wine judge here and i can break into some serious compositional analysis of starbucks and why it's one of the better "mass-brewed" coffees out there...(same with beer, but that's a story for the homebrewin' thread, whenever someone starts it...then i'll be professing the wonders of WA's own redhook...mmmm...) my aunt in renton (almost as coffee-kooky as i) dry-preserves bucketloads of northwestern coffees for me whevever she comes down, and i love her for it...good stuff overall...not as splendid as creole market chicory or dijon dark roast cafe', but tasty nonetheless... > sonics seats are over priced so are airline tickets, and THOSE don't even allow me to see shawn kemp bust skulls up close and personal... :) i'd pay the money...my aunt molded me into a sonics fan when i was eight and i've been a sonic-head ever since...i'm glad the underachieving years of the late-eighties/early-nineties are over and they're actually capitalizing on their talent...ANYWAY...i'd pay the $$$... > if you jump in puget sound > fully clothed you'd probably get hypothermia oh, i was just kidding about this...yes, i've heard many a tale of the chilly sound...brrr.... > and i used to work three > blocks from archie's. ;-P i hate you. :) *kidding* > > galore, and...best of all...GROTE!!! that's right. me. i'm here. make your > > reservations today. (ladies, there's limited space available on my > > bedroom floor, so act now!!!) HA!!! just kiddin'...i'm such a > > charmer... :) > > if you were a charmer, grote babe, you wouldn't be offering space on yer > *floor*. ;-P HA! good point...i'll have to work on my delivery... "hey baby, have a seat next to me...you must be exhausted, the way you've been running through my mind all night..." BOOM!!! that's how it's done... :) > Vicki wrote: > For our SOMMS Convention '96, if anyone is having trouble > finding affordable airfares, try Cheap Tickets. I've used (snip snip) > For Grote, I just called for a Omaha to > Seattle price quote. They came up with $268 max. ($228 base > cost plus between $20-$40 in taxes). 1(800)377-1000 thanx, vicki...i've used this service before but it's been quite a while...i've gotten similar results from my friend's database and it gives me an excuse to talk to him once in a while, so i've been using that... however, the $268 above IS slightly less than what i've been hearing from my buddy-pal...his quote was $280...$268 would coincide with the usual $70-$80 "piss-ant omaha airport fee" above caryn's quoted rate of $190 out of missouri...so it appears that the "under $300" threshold i spoke of originally has been breached, and i may have to consider a seattle trip while the airline wars are on (found $200 roundtrip omaha/new orleans yesterday...goddamn)...not this fall though...too swamped. thanx for the travel advice, ladies (and the lounge-lizard charmer tips, caryn...:) )...duly noted and much appreciated... later... - -- ######################################################################## # GROTE!!!!! "I don't remember half the time # # If I'm hiding or I'm lost # # jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu But I'm on my way....." -Chris Cornell # ######################################################################## ------------------------------ From: "Kazam Ali" Subject: Sommsfest '96 >From: Eliza J Polly >Subject: RE: Sommsfest 96 >>I don't think we were actually thinking of a _convention_ convention. I'm >pretty sure we were all using the term loosely as an excuse to gather a >bunch of us in one place. I know other mailing lists have done it. I >personally have never participated in such a gathering, but of the >mailing lists I've been on, somms has the strongest sense of community >and the people I feel I would be most comfortable meeting in person. > >My sentiments exactly. That is what I think we all meant - not a real >convention, but a list/fan gathering during what should be one of the >best tours of all time. Instead of searching for list members at the >shows, we would just all be together. > >Eliza >epolly@one.net >And I've been caught in a mind riot >I'm tied within >I'm luck's last match struck >In the pouring down wind AMEN!! Anytime, anyplace.....I'm there! I don't care if this Sommsfest takes place in Zimbabwe!! Kazam ------------------------------ From: "Kazam Ali" Subject: Launch Magazine Hey all, I just bought that "Launch" CD-ROM mag thing with SG's "Karaoke" on it. The song's really cool, but the other crap bundled with it is definitely worth checking out. As mentioned on the web page, there's a cool interactive interview with Chris and Kim AND some video version of "Pretty Noose"(the Kaiser Kellar one?) I found mine at Barnes and Noble, but most of the major music stores have it, also. ($10 US) Check it out! Kazam ------------------------------ From: jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu (grote) Subject: more obsession... yet another submission... - - you know you're obsessed with soundgarden when you're driving to your house at 7:30 a.m. to take a quick shower so you can be to work in 45 minutes and "burden in my hand" comes on over the radio and you take an extra three trips around your block to rock out to the rest of the song before you finally get to your house and get your butt in gear... (CAN'T cut off an sg song in mid-commute!!!) :) howzat??? - -- ######################################################################## # GROTE!!!!! "I don't remember half the time # # If I'm hiding or I'm lost # # jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu But I'm on my way....." -Chris Cornell # ######################################################################## ------------------------------ From: Stolen.Prayers@helix.xiii.com Subject: ok.. Reprinted from The Buzz Word, the magazine for station 107.5 in Houston Down The Upside Vocalist/guitarist Chris Cornell, guitarman Kim Thayil, bass player Ben Shepherd and drummer Matt Cameron take time out of their painfully hectic summer tour schedule to discuss Soundgarden's fifth album. How was it different in the studio this time around for you guys? For instance, was the experience in direct contrast to the making of Superunknown? Kim: "It was different in the fact that we didn't squeeze the performances out of ourselves this time, like doing a guitar riff overand over for two days until it becomes rote. That kills any kind of natural feel. This time, we kept it from moving into 'Overdub Central.' We did everything short of making it live." That "live" approach almost gives Down On The Upside a rawer, more rougher sound. Was that intentional? [note: This is the only time in the whole interview where they refer to it as Down On The Upside. I guess all the references to "Down The Upside" are typos.] Chris: "The roughness wasn't a point of making a dirtier, more street version of what we usually do. It was about getting more accurate with recording. Something about this record seems more sonically direct, possibly less larger than life than previous. The kick drum sounds less like a gunshot in a gymnasium - more like a drum." Sonics aside, for the few fans out there that haven't bought the album already, what should they expect when they pop it into their CD player? Kim: "I sometimes perceive the record as having a dual nature. It keeps listeners on their toes, and lets them know you're not getting the same album over and over." Okay, let's talk about a few of the songs on Down The Upside. Let's go with its first single, "Pretty Noose." Any feelings? Kim: "Being in a small, isolated room with a guitar and turning it up really loud, trying to make it sound right. And then blowing my ears [Bt after about an hour of playing it." Matt: "That song for me was kind of interesting, because we were at the phase where we were just going to demo tunes. So I learned the tune and recorded it. and we ended up using that take. When we recorded that, I had walked to the studio (in Seattle) and my legs were really tired. But to make a long story short, I was trying to get a walking feel on the drum part. So it probably has a little weird shuffle to it probably from that walk that I took to the studio that day." What about its rather cryptic lyrics? Chris: "I'm not sure. I'd have to go back and check it out to explain what it means." (Grins) What about "Dusty"? Ben: "'Dusty' was very difficult in a lot of ways. But it's a very satisfying tune to listen to." Kim: "That was a song that didn't know which clothes to wear. I was a little discouraged in the beginning, because I had just gotten this guilded guitar [note: do they mean GUILD?], and I was totally hoping to hear how it sounded. But it wouldn't stay in tune. After a while, I was like, 'Throw it away, these cowboy guitars suck.'" [Ok, maybe they don't mean Guild. But WTF is a guilded guitar? I've never heard of one in my life.] Ben: "That's where the title of the record came out of." How exactly did the band come up with Down The Upside? Kim: "Chris threw that out awhile ago. We had tried to get other titles going, but none of them really worked. He brought it up again, and everyone said, 'Yeah!'" Chris: "It kind of came around - almost full circle. We're always like, 'How do we come up with a title that covers all the music on the record without mis-representing anything?' You're always thinking, 'How is it going to look and sound?' So we went through all these different ideas and ended up coming back to that, because it seemed to be what we were trying to say. It seems to be able to accurately describe the whole thing as a record. I mean, if we had a really abrasive title or rocking title, it might represent two or three songs. If we had a really moody title, it might represent two or three other songs. So Down The Upside just seemed to work." Matt: "And no one really liked my idea of Comin' At Ya!" Ben: "And then there was Mr. Bunchy Pants." Matt: "Oh yeah, Mr. Bunchy Pants - everyone kind of liked it but somehow it didn't end up flying." Alright, let's get back to the songs. Matt, you wrote the song "Applebite." Can you explain where its dark and mystical mood comes from? Matt: "Since I've been in the band, my songs have gotten a little darker sounding, probably an influence from listening to Kim and Chris. But developing the different elements, like on 'Applebite' say, is in keeping wih how the band always changes. When they started out as a trio, they did weird Bauhaus stuff. So it's not what our fans are used to hearing, but we wanted to stretch it as much as we could with this one, and 'Applebite' is a good example." And Chris, what the hell are you singing in "Applebite"? Chris: "You'll have to go out and buy the record and read it." (Grins devilishly) Matt: "The vocals are great on that one, because it sounds like a guitar or different instrument other than vocals." Ben: "It's amazing, because it's placed in such a way that you have to put your entire head inside the track. It's like you have to be inside to hear it. It sucks you in a lot." Kim: "Instrumentally, the vocals work as one of the 'non-vocal' instruments, that's the best way to describe it. At the very end, it's like he's almost feeding back and hitting all these interesting overtones and harmonic things that fit with all the other instruments that are going on." Ben: "That was the use of amplification with the microphones." Chris: "It just seemed like it would be weird to have a song like that on the album. We were going to try and let the song cascade, so that it starts out with a simple guitar riff and then slowly builds, and then all of a sudden two-thirds of the way through the song, you have this singing part that's totally screwed-up. So I was trying to add vocals, while still trying to keep it instrumental at the same time." What about "Rhinosaur"? Matt: "Okay, I tried to do vocals on that one, but they were so awful. I was so glad that Chris saved it." Did your short-lived vocal experience give you any insight to what a singer goes through? Matt: "I've recorded a lot of stuff at home, but I've never played it for people because it is so bad. So yeah, it was great to hear a real singer nail it, and everyone played great on that tune. Ben does this great solo thing." So what is Rhinosaur? Is it some kind of strange, alien-like creature? Matt: "Yeah, it's a nose sore. (Laughs) Get it? 'Rhino' means nose, and 'saur', well it's just spelled differently." Yeah, I do. Moving on, let's talk about "Exquisite Corpse." Kim: "'Exquisite Corpse' is like a drawing where everyone contributes to the part of the drawing until you get a final picture. It's like someone will draw the tail of an animal, someone else will draw the middle of it and somebody else the head. And when it's done, you have this creature that is a composite of four people's vision. I think our albums are compiled that way." Does everybody always know what kind of animal it is going to be? Chris: "No, not at all. It just comes alive as we go along." ------------------------------ From: Stolen.Prayers@helix.xiii.com Subject: One more question before we go: There are a lot of different instruments, never before used by Soundgarden, on Down The Upside - like a mandolin on "Ty Cobb." What were some of the others? Kim: "We used a Moog synthesizer. A piano. There's some little trinkets and what-nots of percussion things that we've never used before. We did a lot of varied trips with amplificationand a lot with vocals. I think there are maybe two or three songs where the vocals are sang straight into a normal microphone. We did a lot of strange stuff that way, that we've never done before." What spurred on the experimentation? Chris: "At some point in your career, you've got to start doing things that you've never done before. It's fun, and that's what we're trying to do - have fun." Kim: "It's not like on this record we made a conscious decision to write things that were unusual. We've always written things that were different, I just think this time we decided to use a greater diversity of material." Chris: "Everyone in this band writes music. So there's always a certain amount of music from each individual that we use and a certain amount that we don't, because it might be a direction we've never gone in before. This time, we've accepted those directions instead of avoiding them." Ben: "We just let everything out. I don't see us as having any boundaries at all. That's what modern music is all about anyway. If you have boundaries, it's obviously some kind of personal complex - and f**k that." Chris: "Year by year and record by record, we have gone through this process of trying to dial into what we want to hear ourselves sound like at that moment. People always say that they're surprised by the turns we take, that they didn't expect them. And I always pause and say, 'S**t, I never expected anything, why would you?' We never had a specific idea what our records would sound like when they were done, so why should someone else? It seems strange to me." Ben: "What I say after every record is the same, 'You haven't heard anything yet!" ------------------------------ From: Mayor McCheese Subject: Smoke Does anyone know what brand of smokes each member smokes? Ohh, and what does/did Chris's dad do for a living . . . Mayor McCheese XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX *** Time to Play the McCheese "Name the Fav" Game *** Just Reply to me with the Song Title and Artist And I'll tell you your cool or something "Hubba Hubba Zoot Zoot Hubba Hubba Zot Zot A Nam Nam" *** If you know who sings this song, e-mail me now, you're cooler than anyone I've ever met *** ------------------------------ From: Andreia Clay Subject: SG on SNL video? Does anybody (preferably in the Seattle area) have a copy of the Pretty Noose/Burden in My Hand Saturday Night Live show? I had a copy but accidently erased part of it. Email me if I can borrow your video tape for a day to copy it. Thanks, Andreia ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: sg and moms so i made my weekly 'call mom before she calls you' phone call. 'mom, you've got 10 minutes to talk to me while i eat my power bar. it's called "multitasking"'. so today out of a clear blue sky, she asks: "so tell me about soundgarden" "why are you asking about *soundgarden*???" well, they've been in all these weird magazines lately. "mom, what kind odf magazines are you reading???" no, weird as in magazines i wouldn't expect to see a band like that in. "well where did you see them?" in allure, they had this article called 'sleepless in seattle', and they mentioned soundgarden. it was cute. i'll send it to you. are they any good? "yes mom, very good." - --caryn ------------------------------ Subject: Re: sg and moms From: seth > are they any good? > "yes mom, very good." i go on and on about soundgarden and the website and the mailing list to my mother and the only time she's ever heard them is when she stayed up late at my request to watch them do "pretty noose" on snl. figures. seth ------------------------------ From: RKCNDY Subject: Re: Smoke At 02:46 PM 8/7/96 -0500, Mayor McCheese wrote: >Does anyone know what brand of smokes each member smokes? In a Spin article (july 96) .. A interview with soundgarden states that Ben Sheppard smokes Winstons, which Sheppard proudly proclaims have "the highest amout of tar" as for the other members of Sg, I have no idea. RKCNDY ------------------------------ From: Eliza J Polly Subject: RE: more obsession... How funny - this morning, running very late to work as usual, right as I pulled into the parking lot at my office, Blow up the Outside came on, so what did I do? I sat there for the full 5.75 minutes, destroyed more of my ear drums, and was late for a meeting. But it was more than worth it - gotta do what ya gotta do! - ---------- From: jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu (grote) Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 1996 1:21 PM To: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: more obsession... yet another submission... - - you know you're obsessed with soundgarden when you're driving to your house at 7:30 a.m. to take a quick shower so you can be to work in 45 minutes and "burden in my hand" comes on over the radio and you take an extra three trips around your block to rock out to the rest of the song before you finally get to your house and get your butt in gear... (CAN'T cut off an sg song in mid-commute!!!) :) howzat??? - -- ######################################################################## # GROTE!!!!! "I don't remember half the time # # If I'm hiding or I'm lost # # jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu But I'm on my way....." -Chris Cornell # ######################################################################## ------------------------------ From: Jean Bruns Subject: Re: sg and moms caryn told us: >so i made my weekly 'call mom before she calls you' phone call. >well, they've been in all these weird magazines lately. >"mom, what kind of magazines are you reading???" >in allure, they had this article called 'sleepless in seattle', and they >mentioned soundgarden. it was cute. i'll send it to you. at least is wasn't 'sassy' talking about teen hunks ;) *bleh* hehehe jean ------------------------------ From: Eric Gardner Subject: giveaway #8 se acabo Angelr711 or something like that was the oh-so-lucky recipient of the package. Being that these were just photocopies, I can always make more. If anyone really wants their own set of these things, just send me a buck for copy/postage and I'll send you a set. I reduced the Lolla flyer to 8.5x11 and added it to the set. You know, with a little imagination and a computer/printer (or for the really primitive, an exacto knife/felt pens/magazines and paper) you could make your own damn SG flyers for shows that never were or never will be! Get to it, people. Eric P.O. Box 655 Cupertino, CA 95015-0655 ------------------------------ From: Eileen Subject: hanging out with Kim Thayil... Hi guys & gals, Yes, I had the great opportunity to meet Kim Thayil as well as to "hang out" with him thoughout this wonderful evening (8/1/96), the day before they perform Lolla in San Jose,Ca . Here's the story, and I'm not going to give you all the glorified details either:-). I will make this one short and sweet, just how you would like it, am I right? Anyway, me and my friend were hanging out at this local club, located here in San Jose. As we are looking for a place to sit -- there over yonder is Kim Thayil and a few of his friends, so of course I am going to grab the table next to theirs (and me being a huge Chris Cornell admirer, and who isn't??? -- THERE IS NO SIGN OF CHRIS). I asked one of his friends who was sitting right next to me," Excuse me, but can you have Kim sign this for me?", and he passed over to Kim a old ticketstub that I always carry around in my wallet from a Soundgarden show that I attended in 89 at S.F's IBeam. And Kim signed it and he said, " This goes back to the IBeam, back in 89!!!!!!!" he looked in astonishment. So then he came over and introduced himself to me. He than insisted that he owed me a drink. So (of course) I accepted. So we talked through- out the evening and we went over and hung out at another club later that evening. So now it's about a little after 2 am. and the guys are looking for something to drink. So we ended up at their hotel and still no drinks available, AND STILL NO SIGN OF CHRIS. So we ended up having a few beers on Soundgarden's tour-bus, AGAIN, NO SIGN OF CHRIS. We were up til' 6 am. And now I told Kim,"Well it's time for me to get some sleep :-) THE END -- AND NO FRIGGIN SIGN OF CHRIS. ------------------------------ From: DEFsonic Subject: Re: sg and moms On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, seth wrote: > > > are they any good? > > "yes mom, very good." > > i go on and on about soundgarden and the website and the mailing list > to my mother and the only time she's ever heard them is when she > stayed up late at my request to watch them do "pretty noose" on > snl. > > figures. Doesn't it always happen! When ever something you really like is going to happen and you get ppl tpot come and listen or watch and something goes wrong. Any other ppl try to influence friends into SG and not have it come off the way it should. Or ppl just don't listen full stop. *sigh* seeya Lee _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ Sonic Turn IT up and PLAY it LOUD, let the blood rush to your head. Sonic mail: ar303921@student.uq.edu.au ------------------------------ From: cynsir@village.ios.com Subject: Re: Quasi-Soundgarden Related Trivia hasswipee wrote: > > >I have another little trivia queston: Name bands that have songs written > >that are the same as the band's name. > > Ummm Porno For Pyros on Porno For Pyros' cd Porno For Pyros. > -Raul Also "Angelwitch" the song on "Angelwitch" LP by "Angelwitch", early 1980's Brit Metal. Cyn ------------------------------ From: Mo Subject: (Another) Shirt Idea How about a shirt with Soundgarden written accross the front in the = middle and at the back "Hard headed fuck you all - somms@mit.edu" that way we = could all walk around flaunting our brilliant shirts and insulting = people at the same time... Mo. ------------------------------ From: cynsir@village.ios.com Subject: Re: metallifucks Obviously, my point has been misconstrued. There is a difference between a true fan of Metallica and a "Metallifuck"; note the operative word "many" in my post. I did NOT say all. Metallifucks are all over the 'net, as fellow SOMMSters Mayor McCheese, srussell, jerm, can attest to. They consistantly try to take over the #SOMMS channel for Christ's sake. Thanks to Jason Little for getting it registered. So unless you hang out in #Metallica and dis any SG fan that drops in, why do you feel included in that group? Cyn > Carolyn Hanel wrote: > > > > cynsir@village.ios.com wrote: > > >>> You know you're obsessed with SOUNDGARDEN when you hang out in #SOMMS > > > and act as a hostess/greeter and turn people on. BTW, I made sure she > > > wasn't a metallifuck. (Not that I dislike the band. I don't, just > > > many of their fans. They're not cool like us.) > > > > To which Alex replied: > > >>This statement relies on the false theory that you cannot be both a > > Soundgarden and a Metallica fan. I love both Metallica and Soundgarden.... > > >> Although i would agree that there are a lot of narrow > > minded stupid Metallica fans (don't forget Metallica has a lot of fans to > > choose from) but there are also a lot of narrow minded stupid Soundgarden > > fans(none of which are on this list of course :) > > >>Just because there seems to be a lot of idiot Metallica fans at Lolla > > concerts stop assuming we are all the same. > > > > HEAR, HEAR!!!!!!!! > > > > I'm also getting sick and tired of being included in a great generalisation (e.g. Metallifucks). Didn't so many of the listies (including me) say ages ago h > > > > Grrrrrrrrrrr................ > > > > Carolyn the Metallica Fan ------------------------------ From: UnknMan@aol.com Subject: Re: Quasi-Soundgarden Related Trivia >I'm only 16, so I haven't heard of them, but doesn't Bad Company have a song >called Bad Company? I think the albums called Bad Company too, I'm not sure This was one of the original 3 I posted (along with Pennywise & Bad Religion). I have though found that it's on the 10 To 6 lp and not BC but it still qualifies (c: happy birthday to me, ray (c: ------------------------------ From: "Joseph E \"Gene\" Candelaria" Subject: re: Like promised...Irvine-Lolla On Tuesday, Aug 6, iawake@ix.netcom.com (Chris (SGardnGrl)) wrote: > > >Psychotica where playing....:( is all I will say to that. > I was there the same day as you and can't believe, you didn't enjoy Psychotica?!? I mean I wouldn't buy their album, but they were unique. Where will we see that again? Variety is the spice and all... > > >Screaming tree's came on next, and we made our way up to the lawn area just to kick back awhile with some friends that we saw as we were >coming in the main gate. The band was great!!! The sound was good, I thought, although when SG took the stage, I heard otherwise. > > Did you notice how the sound system for the terrace kicked in a few songs into the Trees? Well, for Devo and SG they were either blown or just turned off. I think they were turned off untill Metallica came on, but we left after SG. > > >and just walked and talked and waited at the second stage for the Melvins. If there was any band besides SG that I did not want to miss, it >was this band. They rocked as usual and I had no disappointments. > > Amen, sister! > > >As I read in yesterdays digest, someone did see Ben, next to the stage. I wasn't at all suprised... > > Yeah--we interacted w/Ben!! > > >but I had already seen the Ramones play twice in past years, the most recent being when they opened for Pearl Jam. > > And *that* was supposed to be their farewell tour! > > >and up walks Rikki Rachtman. I said "Hey Rikki, whats up? "You look like we do....HUNGRY!" and he smiles and says "You know it!...:)" > > Oh Oh, ex-MTV VJ alert! WARNING WARNING ;)> > > >we sat down and listened and (got into) Devo. It was great seeing them again. > > Did you get one of the hats Mark M was tossing out?!? Did you sing into the mic when he came off the stage and into the seating area? > > >Chris' voice was amazing!!!!!! I felt like I was close to being deafend every time Chris hit a high range note..No Kidding.. > > Hmmmmm....I beg to differ...from our perch on the terrace, the strain of the tour was evident in CC's voice to my friend and I. We both commented on it. Maybe it helped to be deafened by the sound system, as we had none. > > >In closing....as we paid for our shirts, Buzz Osborne was standing to the side of me...waiting for his girlfriend. It was cool to see him, >and I would have loved to have spoken to him, tell him that their set kicked ass! but girlfriends looks kill!!! Yikes! (am I dead???) > > Me thinks that was his *wife*. At least, when my friend chatted with King B, I noticed he was wearing a wedding band. You should have said hello. He's a very cool person! Maybe his wife is jealous of his fans? Don't worry, you're not dead. Thanks for posting your review. It was cool to read about your adventures at Irvinepalooza and your different perspective! Rock on SGardnGrl..... - -- ; > Joseph E. "Gene" Candelaria http://www.inland.net/~sunishun My place in time is a big nada history. But, my place in time with you is shown symbolically. -----Mike Watt ------------------------------ From: infinite Subject: reviews, conventions, and various unrelated matierial i'd like to thank everyone who sent in reviews... i didn't go, but they = made me feel a little better (except that everyone said screaming trees = were great... argh, still upset over that) plus, with all this talk of = maybe a convention or maybe several get togethers... i'd like to mention = New Orleans... be a great place to go to (if we didn't get shot)=20 for all the legal mumblers on here (not related whatsoever) i'm in the process of having my 'removal of disability of minority = status' thing done, so i can go on to college at my age.. any thoughts? = is this a bad move? i don't really have much choice, i need to have it = done to get my GED.. then go to a local college.. this isn't suppose to = be on here, i'm sorry infinite ps sorry again for the content ------------------------------ From: Mandy Crook Yeah Ive got this tee, whats your problem I thinks its great, its got glitter on it so it is very glamourous and pretty, do all the tees have to be full on boys' stuff????? And what is wrong with Silverchair, perhaps Im a little biased being from Australia and all but I like them. M From: Mo Subject: Uh... this might look a bit funny, me replying to my own message and all... (Makes me look like a bit of a loner really, doesn't it :( ) But anyhow... just thought you all might like to know that the singer from Silverchair wore the SG shirt mentioned below while touring... I saw a load of shots in KERRANG! magazine (NO, I DID NOT GO TO A SILVERCHAIR CONCERT) Hope this helps with life in general... Mo. - ---------- From: Mo[SMTP:majoc@indigo.ie] Sent: 05 August 1996 19:35 To: 'somms@mit.edu' Subject: SG shirt Anyone got that really silly looking SG shirt with a broken Tricycle as a front print and for a back print, a wheel saying "Come stand me up" Jeez am I sorry for buying that... Mo. ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 208] ****************************************