From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 30 Jul 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 02:40:53 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Tuesday, 30 Jul 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: warning: no sg content whatsoever but there is AiC content Anyone got any info on SG coming to Ireland Re: This Week on iMusic - Lollapalooza! List Birthday... Late, sorry Re: Happy Birthday It's my party and I'll cry if I want to! SG music on Olympics.. Re: SG music on Olympics.. legal eagles... Re: SG music on Olympics.. Re: SG music on Olympics.. my $.02 Re: This Week on iMusic - Lollapalooza! acronyms o'plenty... Re: This Week on iMusic - Lollapalooza! Lolla at the gorge This whole Nothingman business Chris/vodka Off to Lolla... haiku bimh vid & sommsShirt #SOMMS Re: Anyone got any info on SG coming to Ireland Re: Cost of Fame SG European dates!! SG european date- the last one. STuFF flogging a dead dog... HA!! SG video......shirts Double HA!! hey... Re: hey... (AKA bored people unite!) ------------------------------------------------------------ From: "stella" Subject: warning: no sg content whatsoever but there is AiC content um...Alice in chains is gonna be doing one of those aol chats tomorrow at 1030 pm est. at keyword rockline. i just thought some of you listers would like to know. if u want to more info, just email me OFF the list ok, i don't want others to get mad for non-sg content. ------------------------------ From: Mo Subject: Anyone got any info on SG coming to Ireland Hewo all, Are Soundgarden ever gonna come to Ireland! They're only gonna play a = few dates after lolla, does anyone know if they're comin' to Ireland!? = I'm dying to see them to see them live because I've never seen them live = before... Mo. ------------------------------ From: "stella" Subject: Re: This Week on iMusic - Lollapalooza! Did anyone get this message from imusic too? > This week iMusic brings you Lollapalooza! Straight from The Gorge on > Tuesday, July 30th, and from the final stop on the Lollapalooza tour, Irvine > Meadows, on August 3rd and 4th. iMusic will offer a live broadcast of some > of the hottest (literally, based on current weather conditions) performances > of the summer. Metallica headlines this event, which also includes > performances by The Ramones, Screaming Trees, Psychotica, special guests > Devo, as well as Soul Coughing, Thirty Ought Six, Sponge, Johnny > Polonsky, Varnaline, Satchel, and several other modern music luminaries. God they don't eeeeeeven mention Soundgarden!! What kind of official website are they running? ------------------------------ From: urbano Subject: List Birthday... Late, sorry Well I arrived home at about 3am and I was affraid to miss the bday chat, but I got into #somms and there were still three people in. At least, but I wanted to say happy bday to the list even if it's too late now. I remember when I posted my first message... Nobody cared :) It was about August the 23rd or something like that... Then another day, my brother sent a fake post to the list and I remember that MoonDruid believed it... and got very excited because he thought it was really Sg writing... I sent a post appologizing to the list and everybody wrote to me and so I made a lot friends here... I remember I was so ashamed that I even got seth angry because of so many appologies i sent to him... And after that day I started posting to the list more regularily and started Chicka's spanish classes as well. I really feel sorry for getting to channel too late, but anyways, HAPPY BIRTHDAY SOMMS!!!!!!!!! Cool days... I never thought the list would become so much in my life... thanx seth :) -urbano ------------------------------ From: Greg Bensimon Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Time for me to send my birthday wishes to the list, even if they are belated. I'm not sure exactly when I first subscribed. I'm sure it was during the first two weeks of the list's life. And if I remember correctly, my first message was actually a private e-mail to Seth about not going ballistic over the morons who send unsubscribe messages to the list rather than "saperl" I remember that when I unsubbed in December, the list was still a fairly small community. When I resubscribed in February, things really seemed to have taken off. (I don't know, maybe there were already a large number of members in December, but there were definitely a lot more posters in February.) My one regret is that I had to unsub last December, because now it takes *much* longer to get my e-mail. (I guess in my first incarnation, I was higher up on the list the server used to post messages or something...) Anyway, congratulations and thanks, Seth. The work you put in on the list and the Web page -- the work everyone puts in on the Web page -- is absolutely worth it. When I started on the list, I was really just a casual SG fan. Now i think I'm a fanatic. (Now I can amaze people at dinner parties with useful informational tidbits like "Matt Cameron sang Puberty Love in Attack of the Killer Tomatos.") Greg ------------------------------ Subject: It's my party and I'll cry if I want to! From: tonerkin@usa.pipeline.com (Tonerkin) Hi! Do you know how difficult it is to be stupid but smart enough to be aware of how stupid you are? I tried and tried to find you guys last night (I even had my 12 year old nephew helping me I would of been really pissed but happy if he would of been sucessful!) Anyway, please let's do it again sometime. I'm just a slow learner! Hope it was a grand time! Happy Birthday to us! And to all my *pals*- glad to know ya!!! toni ------------------------------ From: Marianne84@aol.com Subject: SG music on Olympics.. Last night on the Olympics broadcast NBC was airing one of those cheesy little intros they do for different athletes. It was for some track and field guy...anyway it was supposed to be real depressing or something I guess that's why when they started the story, Zero Chance was the background music. I about fell off the couch. In one way, it was cool to here SG in such an unexpected situation - in another it kind of bothered me - I mean it was the Olympics & I guess I just don't know how I feel about SG as background music for John Tesh. Anyone else have thoughts on this? Oh yeah, Happy Belated Birthday SOMMS! Marianne ------------------------------ From: Greg Bensimon Subject: Re: SG music on Olympics.. I thought it was pretty cool. They were doing a piece on a Cuban high jumper named Sotomayor. It opened with this dreary picture of a decrepit Cuban neighborhood in the rain and Zero Chance playing in the background. Real depressing stuff. I thought I was probably the only one who caught it. (Makes me wonder who the big SG fan is over at NBC.) Greg On Mon, 29 Jul 1996 Marianne84@aol.com wrote: > Last night on the Olympics broadcast NBC was airing one of those cheesy > little intros they do for different athletes. It was for some track and > field guy...anyway it was supposed to be real depressing or something I guess > that's why when they started the story, Zero Chance was the background music. > I about fell off the couch. > > In one way, it was cool to here SG in such an unexpected situation - in > another it kind of bothered me - I mean it was the Olympics & I guess I just > don't know how I feel about SG as background music for John Tesh. Anyone > else have thoughts on this? > > Oh yeah, Happy Belated Birthday SOMMS! > > Marianne > ------------------------------ From: jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu (grote) Subject: legal eagles... > COMING SOON . . . MY CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT BASED ON SOUNDGARDEN'S UNFAIR > DISCRIMINATION IN FAVOR OF OBSESSIVE HOOTCHIE DRESSING GRRLS WITH RESPECT TO > SONG DEDICATIONS OVER BAD PSUEDOHAIKU COMPOSING MALES (you are already > included Grote, we're gonna clean up . . .) good deal... it's about time we stepped up and took a stand for all that's good in this world of ours... BAD PSEUDOHAIKU COMPOSING MALES (i fell out of my chair laughing when i read this, by the way...thanks, brian), UNITE!!! LOOK OUT, WORLD!!! WE'RE HERE, WE'RE PISSED, AND WE'RE TIRED OF BEIN' HASSLED BY THE MAN!!! :) i'll have my people call your people, brian...we'll do lunch. we can put it on shroom's tab since she'll be owing us a significant sum of money very, very soon...heh heh heh... :) later... - -- ######################################################################## # GROTE!!!!! "I don't remember half the time # # If I'm hiding or I'm lost # # jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu But I'm on my way....." -Chris Cornell # ######################################################################## ------------------------------ From: Nate Crosswhite Subject: Re: SG music on Olympics.. I don't know that someone at NBC is a SG fan, but someone sure likes alternative/rock/whatever category music you want to call it. But I think that sometimes, their choices are a bit confusing: - -Is Zero Chance really a good theme for an Olympic athlete? - -During a similar cheesy intrest story about a boxer, they played Mad Season's River of Deceit. - -During a focus on the US women's gymnastics team, they played "Stupid Girl" by Garbage. I'm not kidding. Nate At 09:36 AM 7/29/96 -0400, greg@icscorp.com wrote: >(Makes me wonder who the big SG fan is over at NBC.) > >On Mon, 29 Jul 1996 Marianne84@aol.com wrote: > >> Last night on the Olympics broadcast NBC was airing one of those cheesy >> little intros they do for different athletes. It was for some track and >> field guy...anyway it was supposed to be real depressing or something I guess >> that's why when they started the story, Zero Chance was the background music. >> I about fell off the couch. ------------------------------ From: Lightning Boy Subject: Re: SG music on Olympics.. At 08:52 AM 7/29/96 -0400, you wrote: >Last night on the Olympics broadcast NBC was airing one of those cheesy >little intros they do for different athletes. It was for some track and >field guy...anyway it was supposed to be real depressing or something I guess >that's why when they started the story, Zero Chance was the background music. > I about fell off the couch. > >In one way, it was cool to here SG in such an unexpected situation - in >another it kind of bothered me - I mean it was the Olympics & I guess I just >don't know how I feel about SG as background music for John Tesh. Anyone >else have thoughts on this? It beats having John Tesh as backround for Soungarden! .__ .__ .__ __ .__ __________ | | |__| ____ | |___/ |_ ____ |__| ____ ____ \______ \ ____ ___.__. | | | |/ ___\| | \ __\/ \| |/ \ / ___\ | | _// _ < | | | |_| / /_/ > | \ | | | \ | | \/ /_/ > | | ( <_> )___ | |____/__\___ /|___| /__| |___| /__|___| /\___ / |______ /\____// ____| /_____/ \/ \/ \//_____/ \/ \/ aka Eric Bonus lightning@ag.net Keeper of the "Complete AIC Lyrics Songbook" (Now in version 3.5! (HTML!!)) http://www.ag.net/~lightning/aic/lyrics/ ------------------------------ From: jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu (grote) Subject: my $.02 > Realistically, what do you expect from a $10 shirt? > The t-shirt itself is good quality. It has two sleeves > and an opening for my head. Granted, the front > graphic may not be what you expected, and the contrast > on the fork image may be poor. But truthfully, what > do you expect from a $10 shirt? sorry, but i think you're missing the point. regardless of what the overall quality of the shirt is--that's not the issue, the way i see it. when we paid for these shirts, we didn't sign a binding contract dictating the final quality of the product...BUT...we DID have an extensive discussion/proposing/voting process to determine what the shirt design would be. nothingman agreed...nay...BEGGED...to produce the shirt as specified by our collective design decisions. My contention...n-man didn't do that. yes, the shirt is wearable...no, it's not perfect...but my major beef is that it's not what we ordered. 'nuff said. > I run a youth program on the weekends. I've got 40+ people > ranging in age from 11-21. Last fall, I bought all of them > shirts with our logo on the back. It was nowhere near as > intricate as the fork image. The shirts alone were $11 each. > With the layout and silkscreen, final cost was close to $15 > each. Point being that I paid roughly 50% more for a shirt > that involved less. you paid $11 for each unit in a 40+ bulk order of t-shirts? sorry, but you were ripped off. I've gotten high-quality name brand (hanes, fruit o' da' loom) t-shirts in orders over 25 for $7 each, $10 for sweatshirts. total purchase and screen costs have never been more than $9 for t-shirts or $12 for sweatshirts. > The moral to the story is this: You get what you pay for. > If you were expecting a store-quality shirt, you should > have expected to pay close to store prices, even a little > bit higher (volume). Seeing what the cost was, I think it > should have either (a) raised a red flag (What are we going > to get for $10) or (b) lowered expectations. I was expecting > a $10 dollar shirt, and that's exactly what I got. i was expecting what we ordered as a group, and that's exactly what we didn't get. this was not a grab-bag operation. later.... - -- ######################################################################## # GROTE!!!!! "I don't remember half the time # # If I'm hiding or I'm lost # # jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu But I'm on my way....." -Chris Cornell # ######################################################################## ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: This Week on iMusic - Lollapalooza! i'm beginning to worry that sg are not appearing. ;-( On Mon, 29 Jul 1996, stella wrote: > Did anyone get this message from imusic too? > > > This week iMusic brings you Lollapalooza! Straight from The Gorge on > > Tuesday, July 30th, and from the final stop on the Lollapalooza tour, Irvine > > Meadows, on August 3rd and 4th. iMusic will offer a live broadcast of some > > of the hottest (literally, based on current weather conditions) performances > > of the summer. Metallica headlines this event, which also includes > > performances by The Ramones, Screaming Trees, Psychotica, special guests > > Devo, as well as Soul Coughing, Thirty Ought Six, Sponge, Johnny > > Polonsky, Varnaline, Satchel, and several other modern music luminaries. > > God they don't eeeeeeven mention Soundgarden!! What kind of official > website are they running? > > ------------------------------ From: jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu (grote) Subject: acronyms o'plenty... > From: p8743 > Subject: RE: songs > > abreviations drive me crazy!!!!! > BUTOW ??? TDITTL ??? could someone e-mail me a > decoder please? any abbreviation, no matter how insignificant or > obvious it may be. i'm sorry, but i just can't figure > out some of these.... it's usually been up to me to completely murder these kinds of threads by taking things way too far, so once again i'll step up to the plate and do my thing... :) BUTOW - blow up the outside world TDITTL - the day i tried to live DPIMTTDD - don't post individual messages to the digest, dumbass (feel free to use this one, seth...could save time) :) SWMGEC - searching with my good eye closed FKT - free kim thayil FOBD - fell on black days SG - soundgarden (no foolin'!!!) BIMH - burden in my hand MLDMLRSOAB - metallica-lovin' death-moshin' lollapalooza ruinin' son-of-a-bitch BTW - beyond the wheel NIAWH - nothingman is a weiner head BHS - black hole sun QOTW - quote of the week PCM - pseudohaiku composing male (thanx, brian) SDS - settle down, shroom GITCPOTFOTP - grote is the coolest person on the face of the planet UOCTOA - uh oh...caryn's ticked off again (sorry caryn...but i really admire the way you instill fear in the newbies...this acronym is included as a gesture of respect...so please don't kill me) :) and finally... SOMMS - seth, oh mighty master, sir later... - -- ######################################################################## # GROTE!!!!! "I don't remember half the time # # If I'm hiding or I'm lost # # jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu But I'm on my way....." -Chris Cornell # ######################################################################## ------------------------------ From: dcy1@cornell.edu Subject: Re: This Week on iMusic - Lollapalooza! Have no fear they're appearing. 8:00 pm Pacific Time. Idiots at imusic don't even advertise well. On Mon, 29 Jul 1996, caryn rose wrote: > > i'm beginning to worry that sg are not appearing. ;-( > > On Mon, 29 Jul 1996, stella wrote: > > > Did anyone get this message from imusic too? > > > > > This week iMusic brings you Lollapalooza! Straight from The Gorge on > > > Tuesday, July 30th, and from the final stop on the Lollapalooza tour, Irvine > > > Meadows, on August 3rd and 4th. iMusic will offer a live broadcast of some > > > of the hottest (literally, based on current weather conditions) performances > > > of the summer. Metallica headlines this event, which also includes > > > performances by The Ramones, Screaming Trees, Psychotica, special guests > > > Devo, as well as Soul Coughing, Thirty Ought Six, Sponge, Johnny > > > Polonsky, Varnaline, Satchel, and several other modern music luminaries. - -yu ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Lolla at the gorge have no fear, phone calls to the promoter and silver management confirm that the band *are* appearing. Silver Management was far nicer and understanding than the *&^% promoter, who was the most obnoxious person i've had to deal with in a long time. fuckers. it's a fuckin' legit question and his surly response made me MORE suspicious than anything else. I'm really angry about this. as to iMusic, i vote we all write them and tell them what idiots they are. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Liesl Asiu Subject: This whole Nothingman business I have been following this unfortunate episode and I have to say it has = become really ugly. I agree that Nothingman may have bitten off more than he could chew but = I am sure at the time he had only good intentions and had not planned to = purposely mess things up. Why does everyone feel that they have the inside track on his motives = during this whole thing? All of a sudden Nothingman has become some = psycho who was just out to screw everyone up! Okay maybe he did panic when he realized that things were going wrong = and chose to remain silent ... that was wrong but can it be that he is = just not as brave as some of us on the list feel that they are, in = facing up to his mistake? Can any of us know how we would have reacted = in the same situation? Look, I am not interested in taking sides here... I agree, the shirts = took a damn long time to be completed, especially as some of us wanted = them for certain shows ......Nothingman clearly screwed up there but at = the same time, he is only human and if we wanted a super professional = job on these shirts, it could easily be said that we should have paid = the price to get them done professionally. Lastly, a quick note to Seth, listen man... I can't lie... I was also a = bit shocked when I read your message, I did think that you would have = maintained some level of neutrality in this. I also thought you would = set an example in trying to calm the already escalating level of = hostility concerning this issue. It was probably unfair of me to assume = this but I had that impression of you from past incidents on the list. = What can I say. Anyway guys, thanks for hearing me out. Liesl ------------------------------ From: Baldrick2@aol.com Subject: Chris/vodka I found it very interesting that one of the digests last week had several posts concerning Chris' drinking, and someone also quoted his lyrics and referred to the fact that he apparently chooses to ignore the pain and problems in the world. It sounds to me like he isn't ignoring anything...rather he's using alcohol to deal with his/the world's pain and problems. This is not a criticism...just an observation. The same morning I was listening to Duff McKagen on K-Rock telling how his pancreas literally exploded (because of his vodka consumption), and how the doctor's were shocked that he didn't die right there in the emergency room. Maybe Chris is just joking around when he's onstage, but I was surprised that he's referred to himself as an alcoholic in the last four interviews that he did. I would just hate to see him end up like DM, or worse. By the way, Malvol7, if you still have the interview where Chris discussed AIDS, Pamela Anderson, sexual harrassment and infidelity (on his part) I would love to see it. If it's not too much trouble could you please post it here? B2 ------------------------------ From: COCHRAN_BONNIE/SBCTC@ctc.ctc.edu Subject: Off to Lolla... Okay, to anyone who cares, and to those of you who I didn't get a personal response to...I'm outta here and on my way to the Gorge..well, sort of. I'm leaving the office and will be on the road in an hour or two. Hope to meet the List Thug and others that decide to meet up (11:30 at ticket booth, Caryn tell me if I'm wrong). Also, Caryn, hope to see you and Chris tonight. We have an extra ticket that I'm gonna bite if I can't sell it! They actually sold out at the Gorge! Wow. A special message to Andrea -- I am reallyreally gonna miss you not being there, we all are! One more chance to get my shirt...if it's sitting in my mailbox right now. If I survive, I'll be back on Thursday. Can't wait to see the guys and hope they put on a stellar performance for the closest that can pass for a "home town show!!!!" Later!! Bonnie ------------------------------ From: BTimLake@aol.com Subject: haiku Just a note on haiku. I know some of you are referring to what we do as "pseudohaiku" and that's good. I just wanted to point out that haiku is not simply three lines of 5,7,5 In haiku, everything is concrete; from the five senses Also, it describes a single moment. for instance: In the ancient pond A frog leaps -- and then the splash of all that water. - Basho In fact, the most bendable rule of haiku is the number of syllables per line. Also, haikus are generally about nature, but that's entirely excusable. Both fists in the air squished ten feet from the stage lolla rocks and sucks A flying camera snapped a blurry picture of Kim Thayil's fingers. Hmph. -- Ben "So save it for yourself and the ones you can help" Ben Timberlake I'm getting off Northwestern University this Merry-Go-Round! Medill School of Journalism btimlake@aol.com -30- http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~bft718 "I didn't create this situation, I'm dealing with it." -Steve Buscemi "Reservoir Dogs" ------------------------------ From: BTimLake@aol.com Subject: bimh vid & sommsShirt I finally saw both the pretty noose video and bimh videos within a span of about three days. Both videos were extremely fitting for the songs. The stream of consciousness, montage effect of pretty noose was masterfully mixed with morphs and unconventional representations of the band members. It's the type of video that makes you wonder whats going on and adds more depth to the song. Burden in my hand is just a straight rockin video. I really like the way the videos include all the members since they all seem to be equal partners, but each does give a nod to chris as the frontman by putting him in point roles in each. I wonder if people unfamiliar with soundgarden will believe them misogynists since both of thier recent videos have featured women being/about to be/already killed. Also I got one of my shirts today. I'm kinda hoping that the other one will come in another package. Seth, did you get all of yours in separate packages? Anyway, the shirt isn't _exactly_ what I expected. But, as I waited for the shirts, I lowered my expectations to avoid disappointment. Honestly, for such an unconventional method of making and buying a shirt, I think this turned out very well. The back is a little hard to read, but the fork is very visible. The font on the front is not the one we decided on, but it's not awful. The only reason I can think of that this would really suck is if we were trying to impress someone. I know I'm not. Anyway, seth, I think you should send them to the band. They're quality shirts. Hell, I've seen "official" shirts for bands (not soundgarden) that were poorer quality than these. -- Ben Ben Timberlake I'm getting off Northwestern University this Merry-Go-Round! Medill School of Journalism btimlake@aol.com -30- http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~bft718 "I didn't create this situation, I'm dealing with it." -Steve Buscemi "Reservoir Dogs" ------------------------------ From: "Limo Wreck" Subject: #SOMMS uh.. i might be here for a while, drop in or something jeremy - -- Jeremy Crocker, A.K.A unGod j_crocke@eos.ncsu.edu http://www4.ncsu.edu/eos/users/j/j_crocke/WWW/home.html "So I take what is mine,and hold what is mine, suffocate what is mine, and bury what's mine. Soon the water will come and claim what is mine. I must leave it behind, and climb to a new place now." -"Flood", TOOL ------------------------------ From: Nate Crosswhite Subject: Re: Anyone got any info on SG coming to Ireland At 09:49 PM 7/28/96 +-100, majoc@indigo.ie wrote: >Hewo all, > Are Soundgarden ever gonna come to Ireland! They're only gonna play > a few dates after lolla, does anyone know if they're comin' to Ireland!? > I'm dying to see them to see them live because I've never seen them live >before... > >Mo. Here's what the SG fan club is saying about European dates: >SOUNDGARDEN EUROPEAN SCHEDULE FALL '96 > >September >Mon 16 SCOTLAND, Glasgow Barrowlands >Tue 17 ENGLAND, Manchester Apollo >Wed 18 ENGLAND, Wolverhampton Civic Hall >Thu 19 ENGLAND, London Brixton Academy >Sat 21 SPAIN, Barcelona Pabellon Val d'Ebron >Sun 22 SPAIN, Madrid Peineta Stadium >Tue 24 SWITZERLAND, Winterthur Eulachhalle >Wed 25 ITALY, Bologna Palasport Di Casalecchio >Thu 26 ITALY, Milan Palatrussardi >Sat 28 GERMANY, Hamburg Docks >Sun 29 GERMANY, Berlin Tempodrom >Mon 30 CZECH REPUB,Prague Sports Hall > >October >Wed 02 GERMANY, Hannover Musichall >Thu 03 GERMANY, Neu Isenberg Hugenottenhalle >Sat 05 GERMANY, Cologne E Werk >Sun 06 GERMANY, Ludwigsburg Forum >Mon 07 GERMANY, Munich Zenith >Wed 09 FRANCE, Paris Le Zenith >Thu 10 BELGIUM, Brussels Forest National >Fri 11 HOLLAND, Rotterdam Ahoy >Sun 13 DENMARK, Copenhagen KB Hall >Tue 15 FINLAND, Helsinki Icehall >Thu 17 NORWAY, Oslo Sentrum >Fri 18 SWEDEN, Stockholm Icestadium > ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: Re: Cost of Fame In Saturday's digest Nate Crosswhite wrote in reply to my concerns about a post describing Chris as noticeably drunk on stage: > I don't have a lot of Soundgarden live experience, but I was under > the impression that it wasn't that uncommon for them to show up for, > or get drunk at, their early club gigs. Maybe the cost of fame is > that everyone expects you to stay sober when you get famous. :) > First I want to thank the people who put my mind at ease about this concern. We've all seen what drinking and drugging can do to talented people and I just don't want to see that happen to Chris. Now, on to Nate's post. Even with the little smiley face I think my concern for Chris may be being flamed. I have no doubt that the guys got rip roaring drunk plenty of times at their very early gigs (I don't know, I didn't see them until '91) but I've seen them 5 times since then and I've never seen them noticeably drunk on stage. In fact I saw them when they toured with Danzig and if they ever had reason to come out drunk it was then, but besides getting pissed about a defective mic that wasn't being replaced (Chris threw it into the wings) his performance was majestic. My concern is an extension of earlier list discussions after the Spin article came out when several people on the list questioned whether Chris was having some problems with alcohol. Drinking to have fun is one thing. Having a drinking problem is another. And yes, I think it is a cost of fame that people expect you to act professionally when you do a show. When people pay good money to see you perform you have an obligation to at least do your best. That's only my opinion, but if Soundgarden acted like drunken slobs on stage I would not have the undying respect for them that I do have. And I also don't think they would have attracted the incredible fans that make up this list. We've also discussed how music is Chris' job, its how he makes his living now, and how many jobs are there where you are allowed to show up drunk? And I'm sure I don't need to give you a list of all the musicians who have suffered the negative consequences of drink and drugs. Many of us on this list feel very close to the guys in Soundgarden and we genuinely care about them. In fact, many of us have expressed the feeling that they are like family (as is the list). Since I have not had the opportunity to see them in a long time I was simply expressing concern with an impression (my mistake it seems) I got from an earlier post. What Chris does on his own time is his business, but what he does on stage affects us, his fans. If you are saying that musicians should just get drunk before and/or during performances and play sloppy performances just to "have fun" I think you are wrong and I think you are selling Soundgarden and Chris Cornell short. Or perhaps I misunderstood your post too. If so, I'm sorry. I'm feeling a bit bitchy today. Maybe I need a drink. Kathie ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com (GRRL NIKI FREER) Subject: SG European dates!! just got this in the mail and this is all i know, so don't ask about any weird stuff. just figured you'd all like to know.... From: Soundgarden [sgfc@speakeasy.org] Sender: owner-soundgarden@eve.speakeasy.org [owner-soundgarden@eve.speakeasy.org] Subject: Soundgarden European tour - -- [ From: Soundgarden * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- SOUNDGARDEN EUROPEAN SCHEDULE FALL '96 September Mon 16 SCOTLAND, Glasgow Barrowlands Tue 17 ENGLAND, Manchester Apollo Wed 18 ENGLAND, Wolverhampton Civic Hall Thu 19 ENGLAND, London Brixton Academy Sat 21 SPAIN, Barcelona Pabellon Val d'Ebron Sun 22 SPAIN, Madrid Peineta Stadium Tue 24 SWITZERLAND, Winterthur Eulachhalle Wed 25 ITALY, Bologna Palasport Di Casalecchio Thu 26 ITALY, Milan Palatrussardi Sat 28 GERMANY, Hamburg Docks Sun 29 GERMANY, Berlin Tempodrom Mon 30 CZECH REPUB,Prague Sports Hall October Wed 02 GERMANY, Hannover Musichall Thu 03 GERMANY, Neu Isenberg Hugenottenhalle Sat 05 GERMANY, Cologne E Werk Sun 06 GERMANY, Ludwigsburg Forum Mon 07 GERMANY, Munich Zenith Wed 09 FRANCE, Paris Le Zenith Thu 10 BELGIUM, Brussels Forest National Fri 1 um, this looks like it might be incomplete, let me check and i'll see if i can't get the rest to get on screen. in the meantime, have fun! endless nameless ____ i see you turn around and burning down the feeling starts to sink i feel the hurt surround me please dissolve me she's resolved to be.... give up to greed, you don't have to feed me give up to fate, you don't have to need me so let it go, let it go, let it go, won't you let it drown me in you, drown me in you, drown me in you... (superunknown) "let me drown" chris cornell ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com (GRRL NIKI FREER) Subject: SG european date- the last one. okay guys, that last date was Fri 11 Stockholm, Sweden Stockholm ice arena yeah, i'm pretty sure. it's at the sweedish ice arena, that's what it said. alright! later! endless nameless ____ i must obey the rules i must be tame and cool no staring at the clouds i must stay on the ground . . . . . .there must be something else there must be something good far away, far away from here.... - --chris cornell "boot camp" ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: STuFF >OK, Shroom, you'd better be watching your back, cause Susan >is really going to be after you now! First you call Rockline and tell >her husband that you love him, and now he's dedicated a song to >you. I think your plan to snare Chris is starting to work! Heheheh... I've been getting alot of hang up calls lately. Do you think that she is.... Naaaaaaah!!!! ;-) >Shroom, looks like you have Cornell falling, like rain, into your >scheme. That is beautiful, Taylor. Someday I'm gonna meet that man. And then I'll probably spend some time in jail.... ;-) >shirtless chris cornell >not a sex symbol, he maintains >nice hooters, chris >fatal attraction >obsession, lust, boiling rabbits >glenn close??? no...shroom Grote, you rule!! I love these!! You are the master poet. Hey... DOES Chris have rabbits? Umm... JUST KIDDING!!! >Sheeeeeeeewwwww! I sure am glad our red-haired Texas somms >devil didn't get arrested. I only have one "get out of jail free" card >and I sent that to Kim. I'm too slick to get caught!! Heheheh... I'm modest too, dammit! Damn, my legs are all scratched up from those barbed wire fences. I was SO close!! Next time I'll get 'em. Definitely next time... >(Note from urbano: "Chris (or Matt or Kim or Ben) when you read this, >make sure I'll rent you my house in Puerto Vallarta for nothing, >complete with Shroom inside..." :) Heheheh... I love all you guys on the list!!! (Thanks Urbano!) >> That's what I call free shroom and board! >> toni Yes, even the corny people... ;-) Love ya, Toni! >COMING SOON . . . MY CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT BASED ON >SOUNDGARDEN'S UNFAIR DISCRIMINATION IN FAVOR OF >OBSESSIVE HOOTCHIE DRESSING GRRLS WITH RESPECT TO >SONG DEDICATIONS OVER BAD PSUEDOHAIKU COMPOSING >MALES (you are already included Grote, we're gonna clean up . . .) ROFLMAO!!!! I love you too, Brian!!! Heheheh... you're such a SHARK!! Damn lawyers... they're ALL the same!! ;-) >i'll have my people call your people, brian...we'll do lunch. we can >put it on shroom's tab since she'll be owing us a significant sum of >money very, very soon...heh heh heh... :) AAAUUUGGGHHHHH!!!! Conspiracy!! Conspiracy!! Insubordination!! Ummm... oops. Sorry, got kinda carried away there for a minute. HEY!! If my fuzzled brain interpreted Brian's message correctly, you guys are going after Soundgarden... NOT US OBSESSIVE HOOTCHIES!!!!!! Hootchie grrls of the world, unite!! Heheheh... Caryn's gotta love that one. >NIAWH - nothingman is a weiner head Yeah... gotta agree with this one. But he was a cool weiner head. Hey... if Nothingman and Lawnmower Man are such good buds, why hasn't he borrowed LM's e-mail account to send us a letter? >SDS - settle down, shroom SIOTH - Shroom is one twisted hootchie. MHMGB - May Heather Mifflin go bald. GJMMLSHIPMPA - Grote just made me laugh so hard, I peed my pants again. LTTF - Listen to the Frogs. (Heheheh, Dena!!) >UOCTOA - uh oh...caryn's ticked off again Heheheh... love that one! Caryn belongs on the Kim Thayil Mercenary Squad with our List Thug, Aaron! Beware, Heather Mifflin's of the world... the SOMMS list is angry, and we're just waiting for you to fuck up!!! ;-) Oh yah... one more thing. Who's opening for Soundgarden on the DOTU tour? Has anyone heard anything? I'd kinda like to see some female bands up there. Any suggestions, people? BABES IN TOYLAND... I'd adore to see Babes and SG together!!!!!!!! Hey, a girl can dream... can't she?!? Ok... ONE more thing. Happy Birthday to the list, and congratulations to Seth for keeping his sanity during the whole thing!! I joined the list relatively late (in November), and I just wish I'd found it sooner. Thanks to my best bud Dena for turning me onto it! Becoming part of this family has been a HUGE plus in my life (understatement). Most sincere thanks to the man, Sethmeister, for making this all possible. Hopefully I'll be OLD and gray (say around 50... is that considered old, Caryn? ;-)) and still reading my SOMMS messages. Unless of course I end up in jail for longer than what I'd originally thought... and then I'll be SOMMS deprived. Susan Silver will probably hire a really dirty and clever lawyer (BRIAN), and have me put away forever. Heheheh... JUST KIDDING Brian!! The Red Haired Devil of Texas Shroom "Oh Shroomy, I love it when you nibble on my... " ~ Chris Cornell "Hey Shroomy, want to see my birthmark? It's right here..." ~ Chris Cornell (Words not necessarily said in that order...) <~~~ my disclaimer ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: flogging a dead dog... On Mon, 29 Jul 1996, Liesl Asiu wrote: >become really ugly. > I agree that Nothingman may have bitten off more >than he could chew but I am sure at the time he had only good intentions >and had not planned to purposely mess things up. > Why does everyone feel I don't want to sound like harry on horseback here, but I just want to voice my dissatisfaction with the somms shirt debacle and nothingman's pivotal role in it. yes, liesl, he probably had only the best intentions when he signed up for the task, but his handling of it leaves a lot to be desired. I haven't received my shirt down here in australia, but it certainly sounds like the shirts are not up to scratch. >clearly screwed up there but at the same time, he is only human and if we >wanted a super professional job on these shirts, it could easily be said >that we should have paid the price to get them done professionally. > perhaps we should have. perhaps we should have had someone else do them. god knows that he wasn't the only person putting up his or her hand. but he seemed adamant, so he got the job. sadly, he didn't live up to his billing. first off, he misunderstood the directions, and almost went off and created his own design for the shirt, after what was a fairly exhaustive process of seth putting up pages devoted to image display and voting forms, and listers voting on which image they wanted. we managed to convince nothingman (who must not have been paying any attention to his mail at that point) that we had, as a list, already decided what was to go on the shirt. I knew from that point on that nothingman was not the guy for the job. so for a quick review, nothingman has: 1. not delivered the correct shirt with the correct image; 2. delivered the shirts about three weeks after the point at which u.s listers had hoped they would be wearing them to live soundgarden shows; and 3. not provided any worthwhile communcation regarding the creation nor delivery of the shirts to anyone (to my knowledge) who was buying a shirt. I can understand that problems can and do occur. unfortunately his problems have become a problem for many list members. that bastion of insight and goodwill lawnmowerman tells us nothingman lost his mail access, and because of this could not report to the list the difficulties he was having. I am one of many who suggests snail mail. add to this that nothingman had every problem with getting the actual *image* which we decided on on the shirt, and it becomes a case a pure bunglism. if he knew he couldn't give us what we all paid for (and from some posts, it seems that some of us are very free with our money. I would argue that if you point to something behind the counter, and then the storekeeper hands you something different, you have been ripped off in no uncertain terms), then perhaps he should have recinded his offer to produce the shirts. that would have been not only professional, but imho common sense. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: HA!! I'm at the Alice In Chains AOL online interview... and this was one of the first questions: - --------------------- Q: How lucky are you to be working with someone as fine as Susan Silver? A: She's great. But we can't say anything about her fineness because we are friends with her husband! - -------------------- Heheheheh... gotta love it!! Shroom "Jerry and I are on our knees to do your bidding, Mistress Shroom." ~ Chris Cornell (Words not necessarily said in that order...) <~~~ my disclaimer ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: SG video......shirts I read with interest peoples' reviews on the BIMH video, wondering if I = would ever have the chance to see it for myself. I never seem to be = home at the right time to see music videos on TV, so was very pleased to = see Lee's (DefSonic) note to the list prewarning us that BIMH would = appear on "Rage" last Friday night. Again I wasn't home, but I = remembered to program the video to record part of the show. And YES!!! = I got it on video!! :-) Ah, how good it is to see a SG video (I only = have Louder Than Live on video - the only SG songs I've seen). I LIKE the film clip. Yes, I agree - black clothes worn in a desert is = a no-no. {However, at least they wouldn't get sunburnt} I just liked = the whole mood of it - matched perfectly with how I saw the song itself = before having seen the video. Have any Aussies received their t-shirts yet? I'm almost dreading = receiving mine, after what Seth told us they look like............ Carolyn the Master of Film-reviews I lost my love today, would you cry for me?.....Soundgarden ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Double HA!! I'm listening to Alice In Chains on Rockline, and they are the KINGS of the smart-asses. Heheheh... this chic called in and said she's obsessed with Layne, and all of them started snickering, yelling "Obsessed!!" and "Prozac", and going "ree ree ree" (the psycho theme). Ok... I'm off subject. Someone called in and said that they'd just seen Soundgarden at Lolla, and that SG seemed really pissed off (specifically Ben) because people kept throwing stuff. AIC was like "Well, you know how those Metallica fans are..." Heheheh... damn, but I'm bored tonight. Oh, and at the online interview earlier, someone asked them what their favorite new albums are, and they said one of 'em was SG. Just thought I'd share all that... you're welcome. SOUNDGARDEN and BABES IN TOYLAND... the TOUR 1996!!! (I wish...) Shroomy "Mistress Shroom, may I please take off all of my clothes and run around the room naked again?" ~ Chris Cornell (Words not necessarily said in that order...) <~~~ my disclaimer ------------------------------ From: unkind@bbs.cowland.com Subject: hey... kind of a stupid thread, but i felt the need to post... first of all, who do YOU want to see opening up for soundgarden this fall? myself, i'd really like to see kyuss or truly, but neither of those are going to happen. how about if they took i, the jury on the road (heheheeh) oh well.. secondly, who is your favorite member of soundgarden and why? (i already know shroom's answer..) :) do you prefer ben cause he's pissed and he spits on people, kim cause he has a long beard and he's smart, chris because he has good looks and he picks his nose or matt cause he's so outgoing and he was in attack of the killer tomatoes? e-mail replies to me, not the list, i fear people will get pissed off if people send things like "I like chris best cause the man is HOT" to the list.. :) and i'm also anxiously awaiting my shirt.. even if i do get the damned shirt, i wont be abe to see it til late august cause im in houston and i had it sent to my NY address... oh well... and one last thing, do you think Chris Cornell ever gets lettuce stuck in his teeth? sorry, im just real bored..... unkind (formrly overfloater; also a active member of the fat people internet protection program) cool! burden just came on, as im writing this.. what a deal, what a deal :) "Hey Shroom, do you want some cheese?" - Chris Cornell my disclaimer :) ok, i'll shut up now, i promise.... ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: hey... (AKA bored people unite!) I'm uniting with everyone today, it seems. I tried to unite with the mailman earlier (he kinda looks like the bassist for Collective Soul), but I think I scared him (I can be kinda overly-outgoing sometimes). Or maybe it was the "Eat People Not Animals" bumper sticker on my car that scared him. But does this really matter? Naaaaahhhh... >who do YOU want to see opening up for soundgarden this fall? myself, >i'd really like to see kyuss or truly, but neither of those are going to >happen. how about if they took i, the jury on the road (heheheeh) BABES IN TOYLAND!! I'm set on this one. I haven't seen Babes in over a year now. Isn't Kat the greatest? Truly would be a cool choice, too. No wait... how about if they just get us SOMMsters up onstage to recite haikus and hum for awhile? That'd be kinda groovy. I, The Jury would be good... but they only have like 10 songs, and it'd get old with them playing the same stuff over and over and over again. On the other hand, at least we'd get backstage to meet SG, cuz Ezra's cool like that. SOUNDGARDEN and BABES IN TOYLAND... 1996!!! >secondly, who is your favorite member of soundgarden and why? >(i already know shroom's answer..) :) I'm THAT predictable? CHRISCHRISNAKEDCHRISCHRISNAKEDCHRISCHRISNAKEDCHRIS... >e-mail replies to me, not the list, i fear people will get pissed off >if people send things like "I like chris best cause the man is HOT" >to the list.. :) I like Chris best 'cuz the man is HOT!!! Oh, and did I mention that he has a really sexy body? Thank yew for not flaming... >one last thing, do you think Chris Cornell ever gets lettuce >stuck in his teeth? Yes, probably so. But let's face it... the man could have a whole head of lettuce stuck in his mouth, and he'd still be drop-dead gorgeous. Heheheh... PROZAC!!!! Listening to the Frogs... Shroomy The Red Haired Devil of TX "Hey!! You're that Shroom girl, aren't you?!?!? How'd you get in my room? SUSAN, HELP ME!!! Oh wait, I forgot... she's out of town on business!! What are you doing with those handcuffs, Shroom?!? What's with the whipped cream??!? Oh my God... CALL THE POLICE!!!!!!!" ~ Chris Cornell (Words not necessarily said in that order...) <~~~ my disclaimer ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 199] ****************************************