From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 29 Jul 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 02:46:31 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Monday, 29 Jul 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: nadie standard? More on the Shirts whoops.. Re: More on the Shirts RE: songs Lawnmower vs List Admin Happy Birthday SOMMS! Re: New on the list I Really Care repeat haiku Birthday Wishs for SOMMS Re: Happy Birthday SOMMS! Re: I Really Care Re: repeat haiku + list bday #SOMMS somms n shit Soundgarden vinyl Re: Those unsubscribing assholes Re: mirc Re: lolla, synonyms, Kim Thayil, and a talking zebra... Re: beating a dead horse... Re: Shirts and such irc deal sunday anniversary you call me a dog... Those unsubscribing assholes Re: Soundgarden vinyl THE BeST SG ALBuM ------------------------------------------------------------ From: HQXH39C@prodigy.com (MR SEAN M MCELENY) Subject: nadie standard? i made 5 out of the 6 tapes you wanted me to make but i cant find the six. sorry that its been taking so long but ive been busy or unmotivated lately but trust me you will definetly enjoy all of the b sides i put on them. sean ------------------------------ From: Greg Bensimon Subject: More on the Shirts It seems a lot of people are getting spun up about the SOMMS t-shirts. Hopefully, we're not on the verge of another flame war. Anyway, my thoughts are this. I paid (I think) $11.80 for the shirt and shipping. I'm guessing the USPS charges about $2 for the shipping, so the shirt actually cost me less than $10. Realistically, what do you expect from a $10 shirt? The t-shirt itself is good quality. It has two sleeves and an opening for my head. Granted, the front graphic may not be what you expected, and the contrast on the fork image may be poor. But truthfully, what do you expect from a $10 shirt? I run a youth program on the weekends. I've got 40+ people ranging in age from 11-21. Last fall, I bought all of them shirts with our logo on the back. It was nowhere near as intricate as the fork image. The shirts alone were $11 each. With the layout and silkscreen, final cost was close to $15 each. Point being that I paid roughly 50% more for a shirt that involved less. The moral to the story is this: You get what you pay for. If you were expecting a store-quality shirt, you should have expected to pay close to store prices, even a little bit higher (volume). Seeing what the cost was, I think it should have either (a) raised a red flag (What are we going to get for $10) or (b) lowered expectations. I was expecting a $10 dollar shirt, and that's exactly what I got. My $0.02 Greg ------------------------------ From: erin@planet.eon.net Subject: whoops.. On my song poll results, I accidentally used my dad's address.. So, don't reply to him, reply to me, okay? Sorry about that... Erin. ------------------------------ From: erin@planet.eon.net Subject: Re: More on the Shirts >Realistically, what do you expect from a $10 shirt? >The t-shirt itself is good quality. It has two sleeves >and an opening for my head. Granted, the front >graphic may not be what you expected, and the contrast >on the fork image may be poor. But truthfully, what >do you expect from a $10 shirt? When you buy a shirt from a wholesaler, or someone who prints the unmarked shirt, you do not and should not pay anywhere near what it costs in stores. I don't know how many people ordered shirts, but the relationship is the more shirts you buy, the less they should cost. I also don't think that anyone was really complaining about the actual shirt, just the image on it. What do people expect from a $10 shirt? To get what they paid for. What should they expect? Exactly that. My $.02 Erin. ------------------------------ From: p8743 Subject: RE: songs abreviations drive me crazy!!!!! BUTOW ??? TDITTL ??? could someone e-mail me a decoder please? any abbreviation, no matter how insignificant or obvious it may be. i'm sorry, but i just can't figure out some of these.... ------------------------------ From: targaz@primenet.com Subject: Lawnmower vs List Admin Who is this guy to dictate or even suggest how any other human being should behave? Bravo to Caryn for ramming Lawnmower Man's point right straight back up his ass. The list is a FORUM, not an oligarchy, republic, monarchy, or any other type of body where the few rule over the many. I am personally outraged that this idiot would ever consider Seth to be "our leader". With all due respect to Seth, and although much is due, he is still only a member of the list. His admin duties do NOT include being a moderator. (except to flame you if you post to the wrong address or deviate from the subject material too far.) Nor do his duties call on him to lead the list members in any fashion. LM's opinion is stereotypical of many egocentric elitist jerks in this country who believe that they know how things should be. It was totally couched in that passive-aggressive tone that indicates to me that the writer has much in common with other control freaks. "But keep in mind that as a list administrator, you are held to a higher standard. It's expected that as the "leader" of these people sharing a very cool common interest, that you don't incite rage and unrest." Incite rage and unrest? How will we riot? Send a flurry of hate mail? Crash someone's server? Who the fuck does this guy think he's talking to, a bunch of children? How republican (not the party) of him to be of the opinion that we as adults could not handle a little flame war between Seth and Nothingman. What an asshole. By the way, who's higher standard are we supposed to hold Seth to? Lawnmower Man's or some other? Seth certainly doesn't need validation or acceptance from me or anyone else for that matter, but I would like to say that he also doesn't need some sanctimonious, self inflated altruist to remind him of his place on the list. To Lawnmower Man I send a loud and very clear, FUCK YOU. GardenBoy chip9162@uidaho.edu PS: Thanks to all of you going to the Gorge for your kind words, but I was still unable to persude the family treasurer that we need to go. She seems to believe that we need to eat and have a place to live during the upcoming school year. Whatever. Anyway, good luck, have fun, and ROCK HARD!!!!! - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- (Rock Music is) The most brutal, ugly, desperate, vicious form of expression it has been my misfortune to hear. Frank Sinatra And I hope its a sweet ride, Sleep tight for me, Sleep tight for me, I'm gone Soundgarden ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: Happy Birthday SOMMS! ONE YEAR OLD TODAY! Here was the first *official message* >Received: from SOUTH-STATION-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po5.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA25064; Fri, 28 Jul 95 10:19:14 EDT >Received: from PUTTANESCA.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP > id AA25851; Fri, 28 Jul 95 10:18:38 EDT >Received: by puttanesca.MIT.EDU (5.57/4.7) id AA17763; Fri, 28 Jul 95 10:18:37 -0400 >Message-Id: <9507281418.AA17763@puttanesca.MIT.EDU> >To: somms@MIT.EDU >Reply-To: saperl@MIT.EDU >Subject: Welcome to the Soundgarden Mailing List! >Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 10:18:36 EDT >From: seth > >Welcome to the Soundgarden Mailing List! Hopefully, you'll have >things you want to discuss with other people who are into the group, >and vice versa, so this will be a reasonably well-trafficked, >informative list. > >Keep in mind that the last Soundgarden list that was started only >lasted ONE article and then died. Please don't let that happen. > >Some things you should know: > >1. To send email to the list, send it to somms@mit.edu. > >2. I am the list administrator (I suppose), so all subscribe and > unsubscribe requests should be directed to me, saperl@mit.edu. > >3. This list is unmoderated; anything you send to somms@mit.edu will > automatically be sent to everyone on the list. Because of this, I > ask that you refrain from posting things like "Make $50,000 in a > month!" and other messages that have absolutely nothing to do with > Soundgarden. > >4. I will be archiving all email that is sent to the list and putting > it on the Web page so anyone can refer to it later. > >That's all for now. > >Enjoy. > >seth >saperl@mit.edu >http://web.mit.edu/saperl/sg/soundgarden.html Steve - - posted to SOMMS on July 28, 1996 and July 28, 1995 ------------------------------ From: James D Seymour Subject: Re: New on the list I've been on the list for about 2 weeks now. I wanted to read many of the entries before I would be so bold as to send my own. I've seen people commenting that the list is like a family or common interest group. Therefore, I came to the conclusion that I should get to know a little about the list before adding my two cents (Call it hazing if you will). I don't have all the info on the shirt incident so I shouldn't comment. However, I do feel that both sides should have a forum to complain about what happened without worrying who gets offended.(Especially if peoples hard earned $ is involved!) The same should be said of the "Kim" incident. We do not know all of the facts, thus how can we pass judgement either way! Anyway, I hope that my thoughts are welcomed in this group and I hope to exchange ideas with many of you. I am new to the net but not new to SG. If anyone else on the list is from the Deep South and saw the New Orleans show I'd like to hear from you! Thanks, ------------------------------ From: rea47935@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu (Raul Agrait) Subject: I Really Care >Hiya, > >We had a total of 7 people at last count on the #somms channel. Did I miss the mailing list's anniversary chat? I thought it was gonna be tonight at 10pm (being that today is the anniversary). am i wrong??? have I run too far to get home?? (ignore the last question im just psyched bout AIC unplugged). - -Raul ------------------------------ From: Neuromute@aol.com Subject: repeat haiku Sorry, I accidently sent a repeat Haiku related to the Kim incident . . . Bad enough once, but inexcusably bad twice . . . Sorry for my fuck up . . . ^ l l _ _ _ once again showing my complete lack of moral character and improper use of the english language -- there goes the bar card . . . LAter . . .Brian COMING SOON . . . MY CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT BASED ON SOUNDGARDEN'S UNFAIR DISCRIMINATION IN FAVOR OF OBSESSIVE HOOTCHIE DRESSING GRRLS WITH RESPECT TO SONG DEDICATIONS OVER BAD PSUEDOHAIKU COMPOSING MALES (you are already included Grote, we're gonna clean up . . .) ------------------------------ Subject: Birthday Wishs for SOMMS From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) HAPPY BIRTHDAY SOMMS MAILING LIST MAY YOU SURVIVE ANOTHER YEAR Well unlike Steven, I posted my first message to the list on the third day of it's being. I was just a bit shy for the first few days. To all the friends I have made over this last year, thank you for all the good words. I hope this next year is just as exciting as the first one was. Thank you Seth. Jamie ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Happy Birthday SOMMS! From: seth > ONE YEAR OLD TODAY! and thank you everyone for making it such a huge success. > Here was the first *official message* [snip snip] > >http://web.mit.edu/saperl/sg/soundgarden.html ah, memories. :) seth ------------------------------ Subject: Re: I Really Care From: seth > Did I miss the mailing list's anniversary chat? I thought it was gonna be > tonight at 10pm (being that today is the anniversary). am i wrong??? have I > run too far to get home?? (ignore the last question im just psyched bout AIC > unplugged). Nope, you didn't miss it. The anniversary chat is TONIGHT AT 10PM EDT. Please come one and all. We'll be at #somms on any Undernet server. seth ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: repeat haiku + list bday At 02:59 PM 7/28/96 -0400, Neuromute@aol.com wrote: >COMING SOON . . . MY CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT BASED ON SOUNDGARDEN'S UNFAIR >DISCRIMINATION IN FAVOR OF OBSESSIVE HOOTCHIE DRESSING GRRLS WITH RESPECT TO >SONG DEDICATIONS OVER BAD PSUEDOHAIKU COMPOSING MALES (you are already >included Grote, we're gonna clean up . . .) quote of the week? seriously, you guys are the funniest fuckin' people i've hung around with on the net for a while. you're smart, you're opinionated, you're fuckin' hysterical and you love soundgarden. seth babe rocks my world, and for the list's birthday, i'm going to send him a video tape of soundgarden at the pink pop festival. oh, wait. didnt i already send that to him? perhaps a more appropriate gift would be to send someone to his domicile to HOOK UP the tv and vcr so he could WATCH IT after how many months? ;-P anyway. see you all on #somms tonight.... - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Mark Pepin Subject: #SOMMS I'M GONNA B HERE 4 A WHILE! ------------------------------ From: PoppyBitch Subject: somms n shit ok, umm i was wonderin like someone else said, if the shirts are so bad, is someone willing to sell me theirs? i dont care if its fuct up i just want a shirt. so iff you are willing to part with it, i will pay a few bucks more than whatever you paid for it so its not a total loss. anyone? also, i was wonderin, are the peepel who have SOMMS willing to tape it for me? i am just wonderin coz if so PLEASE reply and tell me so coz i will gladly send a tape and some cash for postage. HELP ME!!!!! hee hee Justine "she breathes through the book, measures the picture there picks up a knife cuts it to wallet size now she has lived now she has breathed now she's tasted heaven but the trip doesn't sting..." -MoiST ------------------------------ Subject: Soundgarden vinyl From: joshua.jordan@estates.com (JOSHUA JORDAN) I was just wondering what a good price for the DOTU clear vinyl set was, and the Pretty Noose colored vinyl. Thanks! Josh ------------------------------ From: "stella" Subject: Re: Those unsubscribing assholes Isn't there one already. I haven't seen that page in a while but I swear there was some kind of warning like "don't subscibe if you can't handle a bunch of messages a day...ect ect..." And even in the welcoming letter when u sub, it says to unsub send mail to saperl@mit.edu and now somms@mit.edu some people just have "no attention" (<--my sg content for the day.) span whatsoever. > I have decided that Seth needs to post a disclaimer on the web page that > assholes need not subscribe to the mailing list. I do understand why > someone would subscribe, and then decide that it wasn't for them, but why > would anyone, just flame the whole list for no reason. I think that the > next time someone does this, we should all send about a dozen "thankyou" > e-mails to them (test their mailbox out). What do you all think? > Marc ------------------------------ From: The Guitarist-2001 Subject: Re: mirc At 04:20 PM 7/26/96 +0000, Infinite wrote: > > >ok i got the irc program after some trying... is there specific directions to #somms? i got onto the undernet.org thing and put in #somms and got into A channel but is this really the somms channel? i was going through pheonix or something... any ideas?? > > Was there anybody there? If not, that was probably the right place. Sigh ... The Guitarist-2001 ------------------------------ From: The Guitarist-2001 Subject: Re: lolla, synonyms, Kim Thayil, and a talking zebra... At 02:44 AM 7/26/96 +0000, Brian wrote: >Haiku is fun, but >I missed Lollapolloza >Career strikes again > >Oh well, there WILL be a North American tour or I become the Mailman . . . >Shroom, Erin, I'm sure you will let me know what I missed, ad nauseum . . . > >Later . . . Brian > >--- Is there another word for synonym? > > I don't think "synonym" is synonymous . . . kind of ironic, dontcha think? Don't worry, I won't start singing Alanis Morrisette . . . Ah yes, SG content . . . umm . . .gimmie a second . . . ah, here we go! Regarding the Kim Thayil deal . . . it was a disposable camera! He disposed of it! What's the problem?? That's what disposable cameras are for! They wouldn't call them "disposable" if they didn't want them to be disposed! And in terms of the girl, I'd shoot (no pun intended...unless you like the pun, in which case it was fully intended and my plan all along and the only real reason for me writing this E-mail) for self defense . . . . . . IMHO . . . <- Oh no! I'm becoming one of YOU people! Arrgh!!!! ;-) The Guitarist-2001 P.S. The talking zebra says "hi" . . . ------------------------------ From: The Guitarist-2001 Subject: Re: beating a dead horse... At 07:19 PM 7/25/96 +0000, Caryn wrote: > and the people on this list not only love >soundgarden intensely, they are also for the most part intelligent, >rational individuals who are capable of making informed *OPINIONS*'. Why, thank you. The Guitarist-2001 P.S. Hey! It's about the list! Isn't that close enough to SG content? ------------------------------ From: LITTLE JOE Subject: Re: Shirts and such On Fri, 26 Jul 1996, LAWNMOWER MAN wrote: > those people who jumped all over the Kim situation. RC knows next to > nothing about computers. Yeah. He certainly conveniently forgot how to use that email thingamejiggy. > heaven forbid, more than two minutes for a shirt which was provided at a > price much cheaper than anyone else could offer has you all upset or not, More than two minutes!!! Is that the understatement of the year? And who says it was at a price less than anyone else could offer. N-man practically jumped out of his skin saying what a good job he could do, we explored the situation no further (perhaps foolishly) and just let him do it because he seemed so eager. > I personaly don't care how much you get mad at Nothingman. He > might be my friend, but I would let him take the abuse if he deserved > it. This goes beyond that, and I would be critical even if he was my What are you, his bodyguard or something. If he is so innocent in this whole fiasco why doesn't he get up and do some of the talking? ___________________________ = ALIVE IN THE SUPERUNKNOWN = =========================== ------------------------------ From: infinite Subject: irc deal how did i get k-lined sunday??? i got disconnected and when i tried to reconnect it said i wasn't welcome on this server... why?? ------------------------------ From: infinite Subject: sunday anniversary well it was fun while it lasted... i don't know exactly what happened, but i think i wasted plenty of internet time trying to figure it out.. subject part everyone: it was good to see poeple on #somms for a change... we should do this = more often.. hopefully i'll be able to participate as long as i'd like = to... can someone explain to me reasons why i was kicked off, or reasons = why when i got back on i couldn't hear any of you? i guess caryn was = right when she said irc sucks.... infinite "all these years will not begin" ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: you call me a dog... On Thu, 25 Jul 1996, Nate Crosswhite wrote: first off, my good news for the week. I stumbled upon a hater tshirt while shopping with littlejoe on the weekend. since it was printed in 1993, it's a true find. black, with the album cover printed hugely across the front it lacks a little creativity, but at only $20, it is a masterwork :) > the CD, Bite Back: Live at the Crocodile. Mike will complete > another collaberation soon--members of the Screaming Trees, > Soundgarden, and Alice in Chains (including Layne Staley) joined > Mike in the studio a few months ago to produce a new Mad Season addicted to noise reported a couple of months ago that layne was definitely not going to be a part of the second mad season recordings. but keep in mind that they also reported that matt played on a song from the _beautiful girls_ soundtrack (which appears to be horribly false), so take that with a grain of salt. despite all the conflicting information about who is in the band, I'm sure plenty of listers will be drooling in anticipation (perhaps mike has come aboard the good ship hater?). something which I hope atn *is* on the money with is their planned chat sessions with musicians from the lollapalooza festival. it looks like they are going to have quite a few acts walking through their virtual lounge. unfortunately, I wouldn't imagine that soundgarden will be champing at the bit to take part in any of these sessions, after their stated ambivalence towards the whole process, unless they had some control over the situation. if it does happen, and you do get on, just remember not to ask any goofy questions, because that is what seems to turn the band off (how surprising!). quick btw: well, following the unfortunate axing of tom-master jimmy chamberlain from the smashing pumpkins, primus have given the hoof to drummer herb alexander, citing musical differences. let's hope that matt doesn't start ignoring his bass drum in favour of playing barry white numbers on his moog, lest the band toss his killer tomato ass out of the band :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: marcm@grove.ufl.edu Subject: Those unsubscribing assholes I have decided that Seth needs to post a disclaimer on the web page that assholes need not subscribe to the mailing list. I do understand why someone would subscribe, and then decide that it wasn't for them, but why would anyone, just flame the whole list for no reason. I think that the next time someone does this, we should all send about a dozen "thankyou" e-mails to them (test their mailbox out). What do you all think? Marc safe to kill it all comes back stick it out wage my own attack lift me up through what i found bite my lip how far down is down? ------------------------------ From: UnknMan@aol.com Subject: Re: Soundgarden vinyl Josh asked: > I was just wondering what a good price for the DOTU clear vinyl >set was, and the Pretty Noose colored vinyl. For US-folks the DOtU UK lp shouldn't cost any more than $30... you should be able to get it from any store that special orders from Phantom (the nation's biggest import company) because they have recently added it to their catalogue. As for the PN 7", I've seen prices ranging from $4 to $9. you affect me - you infect me, ray (c: ------------------------------ From: Lysander Subject: THE BeST SG ALBuM My two cents = SUPERUNKNOWN is the best SG album. Why you ask? Here's the reasons: 1. 4th of July, Fell on Black Days. 'nuff said 2. First album to actually bring SG, in my opinion, some recognition. 3. My favorite songs are all on it. 4. I named my BBS after it. 5. I know all the words to it. 6. The songs aren't hard to figure out chordwise. 7. It's by SG so it HAS to be good. 8. It has funky upside-down letters. 9. The cover is cool. 10. 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