From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Sunday, 28 Jul 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 05:25:16 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Sunday, 28 Jul 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: hollendaise? Re: Shirts and such Soundgarden on TV! Right now! list anniversary chat Kim and Chris on MTV Latino [Something lik a transcript] Re: Kim and Chris on MTV Latino [Something lik a transcript] Re: Shirts and such - rolling in the mud singles RE: songs t-shirts hey..... Re: Shirts and such - rolling in the mud shirts and such (warning! contains profanity!) fan papparazi haiku Re: Kim and Chris on MTV Latino RE: shirts and such.... bass tabs burden tuning the results of the favourite songs poll burden Re: Waiting For The Sun RE: Influences Re: burden tuning Irc party and Gorge netcast. ------------------------------------------------------------ From: cgoodman@maine.com (Carole Goodman) Subject: hollendaise? In overfloater before he sings Hold the potion up etc. What are the words preceeding that. I hear hollendaise in that but maybe that is because I deal w/that shit all day at work and I am now hearing things. Just curious. And the whole K.T. ordeal why the bitch slap. He should have knocked her because we all know how most people can be w/alcohol in their system. Ivy |*| |*| |*| |*| \*\ /*/ \*\ /*/ |*| \*\/*/ \*\/*/ |*| \**/ \**/ /*/ /*/ /*/ ------------------------------ From: ThNrthFace@aol.com Subject: Re: Shirts and such Okay folks, Now I'm upset. You don't want to make the "List Thug" upset. Here's why I'm a little peeved. wrighton@wam.umd.edu wrote: >but you also jumped to conclusions...worse than all >those people who jumped all over the Kim situation. and even worse >The shirt looks pretty good. I don't know whether the tension of waiting, >heaven forbid, more than two minutes for a shirt which was provided at a >price much cheaper than anyone else could offer has you all upset or not, >but I do know that regardless, you have no business voicing your anger to >the entire list. Oh, and list members aren't allowed opinions or the ability or rights to draw their own conclusions? I've got a real problem with your attitude here. For one, Nothingman had every opportunity to get things right. He fucked up, plain and simple. And, buddy, I think you are the hipocrite here. Seth has every right to be upset and his disgust is more than justified. And your flaming of the list members who have the courage to post about their conclusions or opinions on SG related matters is wrong. Yes, I know you have the right to post your thoughts too, but I'm defending the others rights, including mine here. One, we all care about what happens to the members of Soundgarden because in one way or another, their music has touched and helped shape our lives. And like it or not, they mean something to us, and I'm sure they mean something to you, otherwise you wouldn't be a part of this family we've got going here. I happen to like posting about certain conclusions I have reached, right or wrong as they may be, I still have that right to post about them. And who is to say if they are good enough, or intelligent enough? If it makes people think then great, at least it's a venue of expression. Most people you would see on the street don't give a rat's ass about it. But here, people give more than a rat's ass. And that's the damn truth. It takes a considerable amount of time to read all the posts every day, and if you're gone for a while, alot of time is involved in catching up. Everyone here spends a considerable ammount of their day involved in this list. Especially when time is at a premium for many. And that should tell you something. The pissed off list thug, and K.T.M.S. member, Aaron "Aaron, drunken rampages are never the answer."-Kim "I learned it from watching you!"-Aaron(who's seen one too many anti-drug commercials) ------------------------------ From: urbano Subject: Soundgarden on TV! Right now! Anybody who's awake now and can see MTV Latino turn on your TVs because Soundgarden is on at this very moment!! ... i'll review it later. -urbano PD: The Atlanta bombing sucks :( ------------------------------ From: rea47935@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu (Raul Agrait) Subject: list anniversary chat thanks to everybody who e-mailed me, i finally got an irc server to work. if anyone else is trying, try: sanjose.ca.us.undernet.org is there still gonna be a list anniversary chat?? if so, when? i heard something about sunday night. are we still planning on doing this? did anyone try the aol/irc thing i posted? can someone tell me if it worked for someone else? - -Raul ------------------------------ From: urbano Subject: Kim and Chris on MTV Latino [Something lik a transcript] Well... as I mentioned in my last post, SG just appeared in MTV Latino(which sucks more than what I do, BTW). Actually it wasn't the whole band, just Kim and Chris. They were interviewed by this guy called Alfredo, and some of the questions were: (please keep in mind that I don't have a pretty good memory, so Shroom's disclaimer may apply here) MTV: "Perry Farrell says that the youth in the US is confused because of so many bands to choose from, so what do you think of kids who let themselves get attracted by cheap imitations of real bands like you?" Chris: "I think when MTV supports a band and overplays their video just because they sound like somebody else, kids go out and buy four or five CDs of bands that don't satisfy them, so I think kids should get informed and ask..." MTV: "Considering you're an album-band, what do you think about singles?" and Chris said something like: "We don't like singles beacause we don't think that you can represent a whole 16-song album in a single, (Note from urbano: "At this point Chris makes some gesture like singles are worthless") but we sell singles in Europe because that's what they want. We don't like it and we don't do it in our own country (Note from urbano: "???") but we do it because it's the only way to sell records there" MTV: You have often been compared to Led Zeppelin, do you like to be campared with them? To be called the Led Zeppelin of the 90's? Kim: "People can compare us to whoever they want, when people are talking... you know... it's their business... but we like better to be condsidered the Soundgarden of the 90's" then, MTV: "Kim, what will you do after Lolla?" Kim: "We have a couple of weeks off, and then we'll tour in Europe" MTV: "Will you tour as hard as the Superunknown tour?" No, in fact this tour will be longer, the other was shorter but harder." MTV: "Any chances on going to Latin America?" (Note from urbano: "I knew the answer to this...") Kim: "We're not sure... But we'd like to.." (Note from urbano: "yeah, sure...") then MTV's Afredo breaks in: "Have you ever been to Latin America?" Both Kim and Chris "NO". MTV: "Not even Mexico?" And Chris: "I was in Tijuana one time, but it doesn't count because it's just crossing the border. But we would like to one day." (Note from urbano: "Chris (or Matt or Kim or Ben) when you read this, make sure I'll rent you my house in Puerto Vallarta for nothing, complete with Shroom inside..." :) And at some point Alfredo asked them wether they knew a little spanish, bot said: "NO". - ------ That's pretty much what I can remember, I hope it was of some interest :) If I remember something else, I'll post it l8r. And keep in mind that neither Chris or Kim nor MTV's Alfredo were drunk during the interview, it's just my bad english... This appeared in a show called "Hora Prima" and I think it will air again sometime on Sunday, but I'm not sure, I'll try to watch it and do a descent transcription. urbano ------------------------------ From: Mayor McCheese Subject: Re: Kim and Chris on MTV Latino [Something lik a transcript] On Sat, 27 Jul 1996, urbano wrote: > then MTV's Afredo breaks in: "Have you ever been to Latin America?" > > Both Kim and Chris "NO". > > MTV: "Not even Mexico?" > > And Chris: "I was in Tijuana one time, but it doesn't count because > it's just crossing the border. But we would like to one day." Am I stupid or wasn't a version of HIV Baby recorded there (Mexico). For some reason, I remember hearing something about this . . . Mayor McCheese XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX *** Time to Play the McCheese "Name the Fav" Game *** Just Reply to me with the Song Title and Artist And I'll tell you your cool or something "Wine from the blade on the night of the full moon Voices that call spirits in waiting Sharing the drink of the bond A broth of roots and charms Spells under a twisted tree" And for bonus points: "You laid all your lillies on the grave Of all the lonely Soldiers left battle torn You cut their pride on your concertina" ------------------------------ From: LAWNMOWER MAN Subject: Re: Shirts and such - rolling in the mud I'm not going to get mad about all of this again. Let me just say this. I think you totally misunderstood about the font for one thing. Yes, I know it was an image, and that is the way it was kept. That is what he took to the printer. So, that point cleared up, onward. Yes, I carbon-copied the message to Nothingamn. The BBS he uses is through a local community college, and they make their students pay for access, which is pure crap. He hasn't been able to pay for two months, so they restricted his access. Therefore, he can get mail and read it, but cannot reply to any of it. Thus, he has been able to read all of your complaints and so forth, but hasn't been able to reply. That's not easy to have people want to hear from you and have to sit there helpless. Don't you think he wants to respond? Finally, yes, you are entitled to your own opinion, and yes, you are the list administrator, so therefore you must be interested. But keep in mind that as a list administrator, you are held to a higher standard. It's expected that as the "leader" of these people sharing a very cool common interest, that you don't incite rage and unrest. In most cases, an impartial opinion is expected, and an honest, emotionless opinion. Who needs to hear the profanity? A simple description of the shirt and perhaps an, "I think it looks terrible." would have sufficed with perhaps a more in depth description of why you were unhappy. That's the area that I think you messed up in. Nowhere else. I didn't think you were repeating yourself. That part of the message was a pat on the back for reminding people of the etiquette necessary. In any case, I appreciate the reply, and I am happy to see that it was well thought out instead of an emotional outburst. Good luck with your list. Even though I don't agree with a lot of what goes on, it is a worthy undertaking and Soundgarden would be proud. Chris ------------------------------ From: ANGELR711@aol.com Subject: singles hello hello!!! i was just wondering if anyone out there has the OUTSHINED SINGLE and/or the JESUS CHRIST POSE SINGLE that they would like to sell. thanx in advance!! : ) -Rima ------------------------------ From: infinite Subject: RE: songs - ---------- From: The Guitarist-2001[SMTP:Spoonman@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Friday, July 26, 1996 11:08 PM To: infinite; somms@mit.edu Subject: Re: songs At 10:22 PM 7/25/96 +0000, infinite wrote: >I was just reading some mail from awhile ago that i deleted w/o = reading.... in it somebody was talking about blow up the outside world being the = next black hole sun or soundgarden's black. Just thought i'd throw in that = i don't like BUTOW....(that's ugly lookin isn't) it's my most skipped song = on down on the upside... it just doesn't sound right to me... oh welll > "Soundgarden's black"? Well, the fact that the abbreviation is a little wacky aside, that's my favorite song on DOTU . . . even beyond (is it possible?) Burden in My = Hand! . . . so the song still has hope . . . whatever that means . . . arrgh, = I'm too tired to do any logical typing! (so if any of this either doesn't = make sense, or presents me as a target for flaming, please just ignore it and pretend I didn't write it and let's all go on to live our merry lives merrily and be merry) Does anybody else notice the ever-so-small-yet-existent similarity = between BUTOW (I beg your pardon?) and TDITTL . . . ? Or am I alone again? = ...sigh... buy the way, I don't really think BHS should be the standard for judging = SG songs . . . oh well . . . I'll just continue rambling on about nonsense = in my next E-mail . . . =20 The Guitarist - Posting with BOTH eyes closed . . .=20 <*> yeah it does kind of seem like TDITTL, but not as good (to me) it = just doesn't move me that much, plus it sounds too much like 'so tired' = from the white album.... it's not a bad song... Also i listened to black = hole sun yesterday and thought it was neat how chris's voice is phased = in when he says 'black hole sun' the first time... neat in the dark.... = opened up the song to me again... i think i' give BUTOW another chance = as well ------------------------------ From: infinite Subject: t-shirts hey, to whoever offered to sel their shirt, i'd buy it if you're = willing to let it go. I don't care if it's a little messed up.. what = about $9 for the shirt (paid $8, right?) write back anyone who's = interested tdo@datasync.com ------------------------------ From: unkind@bbs.cowland.com Subject: hey..... someone asked about the lost lyrics to overfloater... used to be my handle, but thanks to some nice harassing e-mail i was forced to go into the fat people internet protection program.. anyway... i think it is "breathe it take it in and gently blow it out drink it down and swallow" and after there im lost :) anyone help us out on this? im dying to know myself :) and one other thing.. i went to the tx lolla with shroom... it was pretty cool but i think the pownal crowd was nicer :) they didnt throw bottles and threatento throw rocks, etc... soundgarden was amazing.. i think they played better in ferris then when i saw em in pownal... i was DYING to hear waiting for the sun, and it sounded amazing... i cannot WIT for the dotu tour :) well, that should say WAIT :) hehhee... i just got a decent computer and i got this dotu theme, its pretty nifty if i do say so myself :) well, enough out of me... ..the lister formerly known as overfloater ------------------------------ From: Mayor McCheese Subject: Re: Shirts and such - rolling in the mud For some reason, I think seth feels the same way the band does right now (i.e. being told how to act). Seth, like Chris, Ben, Kim, and Matt, have the right to say what they see as the truth no matter if they are members of a band or a list administrator. Seth has always been a very reserved member of this forum; and I believe this is because of his admin status. It's great to see him taking a stand as a list member, as well as an admin. I have not seen the shirts yet, but I do know we voted on a design, a design that isn't on the shirts we ordered. If it was the case that the graphics were brought to the shirt designer, and he messed it up, then I ask this: Didn't the shirt designer make a first draft shirt? The answer we all know is yes. Nothingman requested that seth send him redid images since the first ones didn't have enough contrast. Was the original "somms@mit.edu" image on it at that time? Wasn't a second tester shirt made (with redesigned images) before they went into printing the rest? Did the second tester have the voted on "somms@mit.edu" image on it? If not, why didn't Nothingman say anything? A important part of the shirt idea was that the list should decide what the shirt should look like. There was a lot of debate on the subject of what the shirt should look like, and looking back, it's sad to think one of those great ideas were in vain. This post is NOT intended to be a flame to anyone. I have yet to see my shirt and make my own opinions on it. But, I did vote on the black "somms@mit.edu" that isn't included on the shirt, as did a majority of those who bought shirts, and it's sad to see my vote negated. Most of us don't have anything against Nothingman personally. But, if you hear a "quack" you know it's duck. Likewise, Seth thought it stinks, and called it "shit". He has a right to think it, say it, believe it; List Admin or not. Mayor McCheese XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX *** Time to Play the McCheese "Name the Fav" Game *** Just Reply to me with the Song Title and Artist And I'll tell you your cool or something "Wine from the blade on the night of the full moon Voices that call spirits in waiting Sharing the drink of the bond A broth of roots and charms Spells under a twisted tree" And for bonus points: "You laid all your lillies on the grave Of all the lonely Soldiers left battle torn You cut their pride on your concertina" ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: shirts and such (warning! contains profanity!) once again, we've got someone relatively new on this list accusing us all of not having a mind of our own. I don't get how these people come on here and after a digest or two decide they've got us all figured out. We need netiquitte reminders? looks like the pot is calling the kettle black. Some of us have been privately, off list, discussing our anger towards Nothingman and what we would do if the shirts didn't materialize. Some of us chose not to involve Seth; I won't mention who the other members were because it's not my place to do so. The point is, we don't need Seth to tell us how to think and how to feel. if you had half a clue about this list, you'd realize that the list is full of individual, unique-thinking, highly-opinionated people. we don't always agree. but whatever. here's the deal: nothingman CLEARLY bit off more than he could chew. but instead of writing a snail mail letter to seth or any of us who paid for shirts, he vanished from the list with some lame excuse about 'email problems' and didn't turn to anyone. countless people on this list offered to help him. (Right, Toni?). He refused to accept help from anyone. From what you tell us, Nothingman clearly was in way over his head. He should have taken the money orders and the checks he received and mailed them back to the people they came from. He could have stuck them all in an envelope and mailed them back to Seth and we could have sent Seth SASE's for the return of the money orders, or whatever. The point is, Nothingman deserves to be flamed far more than he's gotten. If he didn't know anything about computers, he shouldn't have taken on the task. He made a convincing case for being the one to do so, including knowing a good place to get the shirts printed. This obviously wasn't the case. No one forced him to take this job. This isn't a case of someone changing their mind about what the shirts were supposed to look like. If the shirts had been late, but still looked like the original design, that's one thing. If I remember correctly Nothingman announced to the list shortly after he got the disk from seth that he was going to make some changes because *he* didn't like something. I personally think (and since he hasn't bothered to communicate in any way, shape, or form with ANYONE on this list, I'm gonna think what I want) that he went off on his little power trip once he had all the money and decided he'd do what he wanted. if that's not that case, i want to hear it from *him*, and not his lackeys he sends to defend him on the list. >Finally, yes, you are entitled to your own opinion, and yes, you are the >list administrator, so therefore you must be interested. But keep in >mind that as a list administrator, you are held to a higher standard. *BULLSHIT*. who says? where is this written? 'higher standard'? what exactly did seth do wrong besides say what he thought and be honest? >It's expected that as the "leader" of these people sharing a very cool >common interest, that you don't incite rage and unrest. In most cases, >an impartial opinion is expected, and an honest, emotionless opinion. >Who needs to hear the profanity? oh JESUS. yet another person hung up on stupid words. seth is an MIT student! he's not STUPID! if he says 'fuck' he means 'fuck'! *most* of the people on this list are NOT STUPID and have a full command of the english language. i hardly think that in 1996 the use of 'profanity' (gee, what do you think of 'big dumb sex', i'd like to know) means you are lacking in moral turptitude. >A simple description of the shirt and >perhaps an, "I think it looks terrible." would have sufficed with >perhaps a more in depth description of why you were unhappy. That's the >area that I think you messed up in. oh, now you're going to dictate to seth (and the rest of us, probably) what we can say and how we can say it? you don't see anything WRONG with this?????? i wrote this message yesterday and slept on it. i had no idea you were going to be this fucking arrogant ------------------------------ From: Neuromute@aol.com Subject: fan papparazi haiku Some things can annoy Provoking fury and ire Your picture please, Kim? Seriously, there has got to be more to this than has been reported by the idiot mainstream press ... It just doesnt sound like something Kim would do without serious provocation. LAter.....bRiaN ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Kim and Chris on MTV Latino From: tonerkin@usa.pipeline.com (Tonerkin) On Jul 27, 1996 09:41:09, 'urbano ' wrote: >(Note from urbano: "Chris (or Matt or Kim or Ben) when you read this, >make sure I'll rent you my house in Puerto Vallarta for nothing, >complete with Shroom inside..." :) That's what I call free shroom and board! toni ------------------------------ From: p8743 Subject: RE: shirts and such.... can we please be friends?? if you guys are gonna post long drawn out arguements...do it PERSONALLY...not on the list. thanx. love you both. ------------------------------ From: Ethan Book Subject: bass tabs Ethan Book, but you can call me Benny SMILE :) Hey Guys and gals, I am new to this list, so I don't know what it is all about. But I was wondering if anyone has the bass tabs for pretty noose, and burden in my hand. I have not been able to find those, and since I just started playing 4 days ago I can't figure it out myself. Any help would be appreciated. benny =) ------------------------------ From: infinite Subject: burden tuning i'll probably regret sending this cause it might be pretty obvious.. i = don't have the tab to burden in my hand handy (no pun intended) but i = was wondering if anybody would explain the tuning to me, it looked kind = of bizarre to me at first, and i don't know off hand the relative ups = and downs.. someone please explain in steps... inifnite ------------------------------ From: odyssey@planet.eon.net Subject: the results of the favourite songs poll I know I said you had until tomorrow (Sunday) to write to me, but I haven't gotten any new ones since about Thursday, so I figured it was safe. Only one person gave me a list of songs that was "this is my favourite, this is my second favourite, etc", most people just said "these are my 5 favourite songs in no particular order" so I just gave each song one vote for every time it was mentioned. Okay, here are the results: (oh, I know you're all holding your breath in anticipation...) 51 people voted 65 different songs were voted for #1--Fell On Black Days--23 votes--45% of people voted for it #2--Jesus Christ Pose--19 votes--37% #3--The Day I Tried To Live--14 votes--28% #4--Room A Thousand Years Wide--13 votes--26% #5--4th Of July--12 votes--14% #6--Burden In My Hand--11 votes--22% #7--TIE: Drawing Flies/Ty Cobb--10 votes ea.--20% #8--Tighter & Tighter--9 votes--18% #9--TIE: Like Suicide/Blow Up The Outside World--8 votes ea.--16% #10--Outshined--7 votes--14% There you go. A lot of people said that the songs they voted for were their favourites for the week, so I expect that those results will change a lot in a month or so. Oh well, I tried... If you really want to know where your favourite song ranked, e-mail me and I'll muster up the energy to type it all out.. Erin. ------------------------------ From: infinite Subject: burden nevermind about the tuning i figured it out... i'm proud to say i can = play burden, but singing w/ it is a real bitch... i can't do the vocals = anywhere near chris, he is too good.... wow.. i can't see how he can do = the screeching parts and play guitar at the same time... hope to see all = of you on #somms sunday... ps=20 seth- i was impressed when i went into the tab page, everytime i go on = there, there's a new tab from DOTU!! who is it that has the good ear? ------------------------------ From: UnknMan@aol.com Subject: Re: Waiting For The Sun I've heard a few live versions of Waiting For The Sun from Soundgarden & I'd describe it was dirty. You're not going to hear that slinky, jangly guitar rhythm... but you will hear the slides. When the Doors get fuzzy (those power chords) Soundgarden gets loud, dirty & menacing. The bass IS very strong but I don't recall if it's note for note or not. The vocals are distorted... very cool. Cornell sounds great singing through this vibrating, trippy vocal effect but I think it's only used during versus (can't remember exactly). The vocals are pretty much the exact ones that Morrison muttered and the song does tend to drag al a the slow part of Gun, Beyond the Wheel or 4th Of July... so I'd say that it's a good thing (c: Personally just about the highlight of the New Orleans Lolla show was Soundgarden playing Waiting For The Sun... I thought it was beautiful (c: And no, I'm not a Doors obsessor; I'm merely a casual Doors fan. Now, Soundgarden, Bad Religion... I might be obsessed with them (c: waiting for you to tell me what went wrong, ray (c: ------------------------------ From: "Joseph E \"Gene\" Candelaria" Subject: RE: Influences What a trip! The other day I was hunting down info on Wendy O Williams (who is rumored to be up for the Van Halen opening) and came across something on one of my favorite pentagenerian (50-year old) and ex-Jimi Hendrix roadie--Lemmy Kilmister of Motorhead. Anyway, Lemmy was in Hawkwind (bass, guitar, harmonica). So I goes down to my local music dealer, who happens to have a pretty good record vault, and he checks and finds Hawkwind's 1972 release "Doremi Fasol Latido". Took it home, spun it and grooved to some pretty cool tunes. Reminds me of a cross between a mellower Motorhead/early Pink Floyd/Blue Oyster Cult/the Kinks/Uriah Heep/a little splash of Zep. Actually, I'm listening right now to the tune "Brainstorm" and it rocks. And I can see where Kim might have been influenced by Baron Brock (vocals, lead guitar, 12-string) and Lemmy's wah-wah leads and fills. Definitely, if you like to experiment with your music, check out Hawkwind! I recommend "Doremi Fasol Latido" and you should have no prob getting it on CD, because I checked my friend's catalog and it looks like Hawkwind had all their albums re-issued on CD recently. For more on Hawkwind check out http://aquarius.as.arizona.edu/~christou/lynx_mus_hw.html and http://polyphemus.engin.umich.edu/boc-l/hawkwind/reviews. Later... Mayor McCheese wrote: > > Hey, > > Chris has listed in his influences Bauhaus and, either Kim or > Chris, have expressed the '70's involved "waiting for the next Hawkwind > album". I think Bauhaus are o.k. and my roommate has alot of their vinyl, > but I have never heard any Hawkwind. Anyone out there want to enlighten > me? Would I want to buy an album of theirs? If so, which? > - -- ; > Joseph E. "Gene" Candelaria http://www.inland.net/~sunishun My place in time is a big nada history. But, my place in time with you is shown symbolically. -----Mike Watt ------------------------------ From: Josh_Garza@teachnet.edb.utexas.edu (Josh Garza) Subject: Re: burden tuning tdo@datasync.com,Internet TeachNet Gatew writes: i'll probably regret sending this cause it might be pretty obvious.. i = don't have the tab to burden in my hand handy (no pun intended) but i = was wondering if anybody would explain the tuning to me, it looked kind = of bizarre to me at first, and i don't know off hand the relative ups = and downs.. someone please explain in steps... inifnite guitar tuning: CGCGGE is just like EADGBE but u do this.... the bottom three strings (EAD) tune down 1 whole step. then take the very bottom string(used to be E) then tune it like you would 'drop d' it. as for the 'B' string, just lower it till its like the G string right under it..... and that b it.... - -- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- TeachNet, College of Education, University of Texas, Austin Texas - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: ThNrthFace@aol.com Subject: Irc party and Gorge netcast. Hiya, We had a total of 7 people at last count on the #somms channel. The lolla from the gorge will be netcast on imusic Tuesday from 2-11 P.M. Pacific Time. Listen for me, I plan on screaming loud in between songs for the list members listening on the net. I am also hoping to have a Heather Voodoo doll ready to give to Kim. The list thug, Aaron (Thanks for the Voodoo doll, Aaron!!!!)-Kim ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 197] ****************************************