From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 24 Jul 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 01:33:02 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Wednesday, 24 Jul 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Stand by your man..... Re: SG odd bits morning haiku Garden takes the gold Page Ideas Re: Stand by your man..... #somms RE: sg, metallica and kim in jail sg merchandise Off to Texas/Kim's Rage Kim Thayil ARRESTED Vancouver Lolla Re: Vancouver Lolla 'music for our mother ocean' Re: Stand by your man..... i'd like to talk to SG fans BUT........ MOM album Re: morning haiku Re: Page Ideas Re: morning haiku Re: Page Ideas Re: morning haiku SG on Lifestyles of the Rich & Famous BMF singles!! Re: Page Ideas Re: morning haiku i'm on #somms More on Kim... Re: More on Kim... SG in Atlanta Re: More on Kim... SG in Atlanta Atlanta show... yet even more on Kim/assault Re: yet even more on Kim/assault Re: Atlanta show... Re: Atlanta show... there must be something good... Re: yet even more on Kim/assault I don't care what you need... Irc Re: Soundgarden Digest, Sunday, 21 Jul 1996 "old, drunk fogies" definition: RE: summer nights and long warm days... Re: SG odd bits I've fallen and I can't get up!!! Re: yet even more on Kim/assault satanoscilliatemymetallicsonatas Odd stuff Chris's Shirt My SG Haikus LA Lollapalooza ------------------------------------------------------------ From: ThNrthFace@aol.com Subject: Stand by your man..... Hi guys, Okay, we all know about the Thayil incident. Now, what are we, the list (just a bunch of fans) gonna do about it? I hereby declare war on Heather Miffin (Heheh, I'm listening to Power Trip). Would someone in the Charlotte area please look up her address and phone number for the list? Shroom and Seth can send their goon to muscle her and build some obscene spam creations in her front yard. Nothingman can sell her a shirt. And the rest of us can threaten her with haiku's and some nasty phone calls and letters. If anyone is somehow connected to the Mob, let us know, Kim may need the help. And if you have any special talents, by all means, make good use of them against this woman. I wrote a special haiku for the occasion: Strong enough for Kim, PH balanced for Heather Miffin...... Kick some ass. I am by no means glorifying physical violence here. Um well maybe I am. I don't think Kim would have slapped her if she didn't deserve it. - -You know you are obscessed with Soundgarden when you plot revenge against someone on their behalf. Sorry for the innebriated ramblings, Aaron "The more you know, the brain, the more it homicides."-Melvins ------------------------------ From: Stephen Frantz Subject: Re: SG odd bits Hando, Carolyn.. and other Aus Sommsters.. BIMH was suppose to be one of the opening clips on rage last friday night, but I didn't get home in time to see it, damn it... Oh well, maybe this week... Stephen ------------------------------ From: Neuromute@aol.com Subject: morning haiku Some things can annoy Provoking fury and ire Your picture please, Kim? Seriously, there must be more to this story....just doesnt sound like something Kim would do without major provocation. That AP story wasn't overflowing with detailed facts.... ------------------------------ From: HOLMEST@198.81.231.2.dstm.com Subject: Garden takes the gold As some may know, SG played Atlanta last night. OK, Straight to the goods... Despite the ungodly humid weather, the sickening joke of an opening act and the fact that the crowd was forced to wait, standing up, from 5:30 pm to 9:30 before SG took stage... and despite the fact that the venue and the crowd were pretty lame... and despite the fact that there existed a drunk, puking girl next to me... this was the best show that I've ever seen. After finally taking stage they ripped into a powerfully tight version of Spoonman. From here on I was in a daze. I'll post the setlist from memory in a while. Cornell was in his prime throughout the show. Once commenting "I'm going for the gold... in the extreme abuse of Vodka category." He and the band hit every note even though Cornell was sometimes visibly staggering from the effects of his 'gold medal chase'. The crowd, at least where I was, were very uptight. About midway through the set and spurred by the thundering opening of 'My Wave', the crowd seemed to lossen up. A couple of crowd surfers appeared. Renching renditions of 'Ty Cobb', 'Drawing Flies' and 'Rusty Cage' which even seemed to surpass the album renditions, proved to me that SG is one of the most talented bands in existence. I'll try to post the setlist from memory soon. What a show.... Taylor ------------------------------ From: "mailman" Subject: Page Ideas An idea I had for new additions to the page would be a concert reviews page, where we could send our reviews from past concerts and the reviews from Lolla. What do you think? - -mailman ------------------------------ From: Mayor McCheese Subject: Re: Stand by your man..... On Tue, 23 Jul 1996 ThNrthFace@aol.com wrote: > a bunch of fans) gonna do about it? I hereby declare war on Heather Miffin At least she was touched by Kim . . . > > I am by no means glorifying physical violence here. Um well maybe I am. I > don't think Kim would have slapped her if she didn't deserve it. Ohhh, sure, it *always* the woman's fault. This whole situation really disturbs me. Not so much that Kim hit a woman (The sexs are equal, but *hitting?* jeeeeeez Kim), but that he hit someone at all! No one deserves to be hit. And, especially Kim, being the philosophy buff, should most of all understand that violence won't change her point of view. They should have just discussed it, left it at that, and wrote another song like "She's a Pollitician". I guess a $2,500 6-hour jail stay is a *sobering* experience. Maybe Kim will have a philosophical moment of clarity and realize that if you hit someone, maybe your drinking too much. And if he wasn't drinking, he needs to learn to count to 10. Maybe Matt can help. This is not a flame directed towards Kim. Everyone has a breaking point, but a philosophy major? Mayor McCheese XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX *** Time to Play the McCheese "Name the Fav" Game *** Just Reply to me with the Song Title and Artist And I'll tell you your cool or something "Panic, all hell breaks loose A battered body screams abuse A plastic bullet ends his youth A motherless son turns and pukes" ------------------------------ From: Mark Pepin Subject: #somms Could someone on this list tell me how to get to #somms? Thanx so much! Andrea ------------------------------ From: Mark Miller Subject: RE: sg, metallica and kim in jail I think Caryn has some good points. They are not superhuman and they do not want ot be idols. To take it one step further who cares if Kim hit someone just because he wanted to? I have never been so disappointed in people as when I try to impose or expect people to live up to my moral code. I try not to be upset when people I look up to do something that I think is out of character for them when I dont even know them. ANyway enough babbling... Oh, as caryn mentioned about people being hit... Kim from the breeders... first song lolla 1994 in San Diego with a water bottle....told the crowd what for and the band left the stage Perry from Jane's... the original lolla...ohio... busted in the face, knocked out, at the end of summertime rolls with a light stick. I am sure we could spend a few days with stories like those. Why are people so stupid? Mark ------------------------------ From: erin@planet.eon.net Subject: sg merchandise >There have been a few questions about acquiring Soundgarden Posters (I would >also be interested in them). I have a very cool BMF poster that has a bunch >of polaroids in the background and some some closeups in front, 2 for each >member other than Chris who has 3, (2 being shirtless, for Shroom) and they >were taken on Kim's B-Day judging from the banner. Anyway, there is a logo >in the corner and an address for anyone that gets ambitous enough to write >and ask about other posters. If you do this please share your results w/ >the list. I'm pretty sure that when ordering them through Funky or NMR (where I order the same posters for work) it's a minimum order of 10 of each design and at least 2 10 designs.. At least that's the way I understand it to be. If people really want that poster (or other SG stuff) you can write to me privately and we can see if there's anyway I can just ship it from where I work. Erin. (That BMF poster mentioned above costs $6.99 Canadian, so do all other posters) ------------------------------ From: gdflower@orion.oac.uci.edu Subject: Off to Texas/Kim's Rage Howdy y'all, Don't mind me, I'm just practicing my Texan drawl. I'll be off to Dallas tomorrow and on Thursday I'll be at Lolla. I'm excited, and looking forward to seeing all the Main Stage bands. Yet, if the Melvins are playing at the same time the Ramones are playing I'll just have to catch the Ramones at a later date. That's kinda shitty putting 2 California bands on at the same time. Yet, I must remember this Lolla is not known for it diverse and varied content. I hope they change the schedule (of the 2nd stage) when they get to SoCal, if not they'll probably be a riot of some sort. As for the Kim assault incident, I'm somewhat surprised at the whole thing. I never say that anyone isn't capable of expressing uncontrolled emotions, but I guess I expected other members of that band to snap first. I see the SG rage-reaction scale as follows: 1st - Ben (of course, his behavior has warranted this conclusion) 2nd - Chris (he's always got so much brewing under the surface) 3rd - Kim ( he has been played up to be the more philosophical one, the one with a certain amount of education, he appears cool, and sarcastic most of the time) 4th - Matt ( nothing seems to really bother him, he's just seem to like playing the drums and making really cool music). The above is strictly my own opinion. Yet, we all know that appearance, and even behavior can be insignificant and deceiving. Just look what happened with Bjork (formally of the Sugercubes) in India or Indonesia. Kim probably said no to talking pictures, the woman probably grabbed him thinking she could sneak one in and Kim let her have it. I guess the Victorian lady in my wished he had just taken to picture and left avoided any further hassle. Yet, the liberated woman in me says, if she was courageous enough to try to force him into taking the picture, then she shouldn't have been shocked or dismayed by the outcome. I know you all will be holding your breath until Shroomgirl gives her review of the Texas show. Yet, if you need any conformations (we all know Shroomie can get carried away), I'll be back online on Monday. Okay, okay I'll shut up now! Take care. Gail ------------------------------ From: ANGELA.DRUM@firstunion.com Subject: Kim Thayil ARRESTED TO: Softswitch.OAS FROM: ANGELA.DRUM@TAOFUN1 SUBJECT: Kim Thayil ARRESTED Get this: Just heard on the radio that Kim Thayil was arrested after the NC Lolla show. He was held for six hours and released on $2,500 bail. Apparently he slapped a girl who was having her picture taken with him. ???]]]]] Kim???? I don't get this. The station I heard it on is kind of in disbelief too. They're trying to clarify and will get us details. Normally, if this were any other band, I'd think "publicity stunt". But I really don't think SG would stoop to this. Has anyone else heard anything? Ang ------------------------------ From: Greg Fox Subject: Re: Vancouver Lolla On Tue, 23 Jul 1996, Greg Fox wrote: > Has anyone heard anything about the Vancouver lolla? > > A long time ago it was listed on that official lolla site, and > on the unofficial lolla site, but now it is on neither, and all > i hear is that it is not going to happen. i haven't heard anything either, but the end of the tour has changed so radically that logically (i could be wrong) i don't see how. they're in washington state on the 30th, then they go to california. i can't see them coming all the way back up here for the show in vancouver. i would say that if it's not on the lolla site or on pollstar or on ticketmaster, at this late date, that it's not going to happen. ...which is too bad, i'd rather have gone there then the gorge... - --caryn ------------------------------ From: p8743 Subject: 'music for our mother ocean' is it any good? what song does SG cover? and, is Rusted Root on it? i love Rusted Root. -kym ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: Stand by your man..... On Tue, 23 Jul 1996 ThNrthFace@aol.com wrote: > Okay, we all know about the Thayil incident. Now, what are we, the list (just > a bunch of fans) gonna do about it? I hereby declare war on Heather Miffin > (Heheh, I'm listening to Power Trip). Would someone in the Charlotte area > please look up her address and phone number for the list? gee, aren't these internet search tools wonderful these days? i found a mifflin in charlotte. i'm not going to post it because i still think you don't do that (unless it's someone harassing someone), but anyone here can go to the white pages on the net and find this info too. i also don't think anything would be served by us doing this, even if kim is in the right (or even if he's in the wrong!). actually, it could hurt him. in kim's defense, however, i will say this: sometimes the most obnoxious people get backstage. lolla security can be patchy at best, especially outside of yer major urban areas. (hell, concert security can be patchy at best, especially if we're talkin' someone dressed as a hootchie [nothing personal, shroom]). all i'm trying to say is, i have seen people treat rock stars as cattle, believe it or not, i have seen them berate and belittle and browbeat and harass and be so fuckin' demanding that *i* wanted to punch their lights out. some people think that just because someone's a 'rock star' that they're entitled to a piece of them. i think that if the person in question was a genuine fan and approached kim in that spirit and *asked* permission, he would probably said yes. unless of course he had a really sucky day or thought he looked like shit or i don't know, got a little tired of little pieces being sucked out of his soul by people who think they're entitled to it. anyway, i c ould just see this scenario where this woogirl bimbo got backstage and she's a friend of the promoter or the guy who owns the venue or she's the security crew, so no one is gonna throw her out, and she just grabs kim out of nowhere and demands that he take a photo with her... we don't know that he actually hit her, it is 'alleged' after all (and in north carolina i might even gently venture to suggest that racism had something to do with it? just a little maybe? the cops might have just taken her word for it, and because the band is on the road and on the move and can't exactly stay and fight things out without causing major expense to many people, they just bailed kim out and moved on, leaving susan to deal with it later. if he really did it? i don't know. he's only human. i wouldn't hate him or them because of it. if, however, you told me that this was how kim thayil regularly behaved towards women, i would have a problem. (but this i SERIOUSLY doubt). my $.03 for the day, - --caryn ------------------------------ From: p8743 Subject: i'd like to talk to SG fans BUT........ this is all nice to correspond with other fans, but this is TOO MUCH! i read about two digest entries and then my head hurts! it's a little too impersonal. anyone wanna e-mail me directly- go ahead. ABOUT KIM- i don't care how annoying the audience was... he shouldn't have resorted to violence. that never solves anything. talk to y'all later. peace, kym ------------------------------ From: powell@rrnet.com (Kent Powell) Subject: MOM album >From: Malvol7@aol.com >Subject: SG on MOM album >Re: the benefit album 'Music for Our Mother Ocean"...with PJ, SG, Beastie >Boys, Jewel, etc. interpreting classic surf songs... does anyone know which >song SG is covering? Soundgarden doesn't cover anything on the album. They just do My Wave, but the rest of the album is definitely worth checking out. -Kent- ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: morning haiku On Tue, 23 Jul 1996 Neuromute@aol.com wrote: > Some things can annoy > Provoking fury and ire > Your picture please, Kim? i think we need a 'haiku' page ;-) oh, seth... i know you have nothing else to do with your time ;-> - --caryn ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: Page Ideas On Tue, 23 Jul 1996, mailman wrote: > An idea I had for new additions to the page would be a concert reviews page, > where we could send our reviews from past concerts and the reviews from Lolla. > What do you think? you mean something like what's already at... http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/lolla96/ ?? - --caryn ------------------------------ Subject: Re: morning haiku From: seth > i think we need a 'haiku' page ;-) > oh, seth... i know you have nothing else to do with your time ;-> > i *knew* someone was going to suggest this sooner or later. if you'd like to compile them, i'll add them to the page. seth ------------------------------ From: j_crocke@unity.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: Page Ideas > > An idea I had for new additions to the page would be a concert reviews page, > where we could send our reviews from past concerts and the reviews from Lolla. > What do you think? > > -mailman hello?.... anyone there?... hello? http://undertow.rh.ncsu.edu/Sound/soundhome.html hello? ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: morning haiku On Tue, 23 Jul 1996, seth wrote: > > i think we need a 'haiku' page ;-) > > oh, seth... i know you have nothing else to do with your time ;-> > > > > > > i *knew* someone was going to suggest this sooner or later. if you'd > like to compile them, i'll add them to the page. i'd be pleased and *proud*, dammit, to compile these fine works of literary art. i mean.. how many other music-related mailing lists can boast of even knowing what the *&^% a haiku is and being able to write ones relevant to the band... ;-) - --caryn (yep, slacking today! not really...) ------------------------------ From: LeMoN JeLLo Subject: SG on Lifestyles of the Rich & Famous Hi-- I was just watching TV and Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous was on and they were doing a special on Seattle and, of course, Soundgarden was mentioned. Just barely though. They showed the cover of Badmotorfinger, but it was more about Pearl Jam and Nirvana. They showed a lot on the music scene though. Email me a LeMoN_JeLLo@wow.com if you want to know more, but it isnt all that great. later-- lemonjello ------------------------------ From: ANGELR711@aol.com Subject: BMF singles!! hey all, i am in DESPERATE need of the singles from BMF , like Outshined, JCP, and Rusty Cage. if anyone has any copies that they would like to sell, i'm willing to pay. please PLEASE e-mail me privately. thanks in advance!! : ) ------------Rima ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: Page Ideas On Tue, 23 Jul 1996 j_crocke@unity.ncsu.edu wrote: > > > > An idea I had for new additions to the page would be a concert reviews page, > > where we could send our reviews from past concerts and the reviews from Lolla. > > What do you think? > > > > -mailman > hello?.... anyone there?... hello? hi jerm! hear you loud and clear! ;-) > http://undertow.rh.ncsu.edu/Sound/soundhome.html > > hello? and there's always http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/lolla96 how ya doin?! Visit the Unofficial Soundgarden Home Page! - --caryn ------------------------------ From: j_crocke@unity.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: morning haiku > > i mean.. how many other music-related mailing lists can boast of even > knowing what the *&^% a haiku is and being able to write ones relevant to > the band... ;-) lessee... green day, metallica, megadeth, AC/DC.. uh... i think you get the picture by now ;) jerm ------------------------------ From: j_crocke@unity.ncsu.edu Subject: i'm on #somms hi everyone... i'm hangin out on #somms for a while. The server is us.undernet.org jeremy ------------------------------ From: ansel@morgan.com Subject: More on Kim... MTV news said the alleged assault took place in the lobby of Kim's hotel. The 18 year old girl (a member of a wedding party at the hotel) and her friends were, according to an SG spokesperson, being belligerent (bitches...ehem, this is my contribution to the statement). Kim was already in a bad mood because when he returned from the Lolla performance, he found that his hotel room had be rummaged through (robbed?). Kim turned down the photo requests. The bridal hootchies persisted. His court date is in N.C. in a couple of weeks. He can get jail time, community service or a fine. -Vikki :( ------------------------------ From: j_crocke@unity.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: More on Kim... > > His court date is in N.C. in a couple of weeks. > He can get jail time, community service or a fine. -Vikki > :( > when... i want a date! if i was the judge, i would just fine him. He told the girls he did not want his pictures taken, but they persisted. They were disrespecful of him. my .02 cents worth jeremy ------------------------------ From: FrkShow911@aol.com Subject: SG in Atlanta I went, I saw, it rocked. Yes ladies, Chris took his shirt off halfway through the set, sweaty chest glimmering in the spotlight and all of that stuff. U Am I (or however the hell you spell it) opened up and they just didn't do anything for me. After about their 5th or 6th song, they would say thank you Atlanta, and I would say "yes, no more of this shit!" But then they would come back on and say that after just about every song for the next 7 or 8 songs. Anyway, Chris seemed to be having too much fun, or maybe it was the Vodka in hand that had something to do with it. ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: More on Kim... > His court date is in N.C. in a couple of weeks. >He can get jail time, community service or a fine. -Vikki I wonder if this is going to throw off the European tour? Will he actually have to appear in court, or can he just send his lawyer? Anyone? Anyone? Brian? Bueller? Shroom "Excuse me, Mr. Thayil... what speed film do you think I should use?" SMACK!! ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... *** Chris Cornell | |.| |.| |\./| "She drinkin' my JackDaniels |\./| and smokin' all my weed" .\ |\./| /. ~~Andy Wood, MLB \-.\ |\\.//| /.-/ \--./\ |\\.//| /\.--/ \--.| \ |\\.//| / |.--/ \---.|\ |\./| /|.---/ \--.|\ |\./| /|.--/ \ .\ |.| /. / _ -_- \ \\ // / -_- _ - -/_/_/- | | -\_\_\- - /_\ ------------------------------ From: FrkShow911@aol.com Subject: SG in Atlanta I didn't get to finish my account. Alright, I told you that Chris seemed to be having too much fun when SG finally got on and all of that but i didn't tell you about the set list. I didn't right it down so this is just off the top of my head; and oh yeah, the view really sucked and the cops were a little more pissed than usual. It goes something like this: Spoonman Rusty Cage (then some Doors song) Fell on Black Days Zero Chance Let Me Drown Pretty Noose Ty Cobb Searching With My Good Eye Closed Chris' Black Hole Sun Solo Burden in my Hand Jesus Christ Pose Drawing Flies Mailman Outshined No Attention ( and probably some more stuff that I forgot to add ) ---Al ------------------------------ From: jonesee@hargray.com (Kelly Jones) Subject: Atlanta show... Hey. First off, if you don't want to hear about the shitty venue, skip to the next paragraph. The Underground was -the worst- place I've ever been to. After waiting around outside for about an hour (I pity anyone who waited since the afternoon!!), we were finally let in! I was all ready to run to the front of the stage and hold on...but I came in to see that the stage was about 25-30 (more??) feet away from where fans could stand. In between was literally a pit. Underneath the stage was a fucking mall! Off to my right hand side was the Gap!!! Sheesh. ((((oh, and I wasn't impressed by You Am I. I might've liked them better if they came on when they were supposed to. I mean, I don't mind waiting for SG to come on, but they were the fucking opening band! Go on on time and the crowd might at least give you a chance. And I also didn't like them because they were really cocky..."You're little sister will be singing this song in her room next year"...like they're the next Alanis...which, by the way, was played over the sound system before the opening band...and not even just one song; it was, like, 4! That just blew me away. Why would anyone think that the SG crowd would enjoy that?!) Anyway, the only good reason for the stage being far away was that the crowd wasn't violent (except for some old, drunk fogies who decided to "mosh"). Therefore, no band members got pissed at audience members because they couldn't even see us...Chris said something like, I hope you're all having a good time because I can't see you! It was almost like they wanted to come over to where the fans were. At one point, Chris got off the stage area and stood against a railing, but he was still only about 2 inches tall from where I was (as close as anyone could possibly be). Ben even looked bored! At times, he just wandered around near Matt and the back of the stage. The set list was identical to the other ones that people posted. I'm not an instrument expert, so I will only comment on Chris's voice: great? wonderful? No, those words don't do it justice. Let's just say that when he wrenched out certain lyrics (like the "come on..." part of Spoonman...he was growling...it was great), I had an ear-to-ear smile on my face. Like I said, the crowd was calm (at least in my area). I attribute that to being so damn far away from the band, even duing Ty Cobb, etc. Um, comments on clothing: let's just say that I'm glad Chris isn't going w/ the baggy look. Most of the time, it makes me want to throw up when I see a guy in tight jeans,,,but not in Chris's case! That's all for now bye Kelly ------------------------------ Subject: yet even more on Kim/assault From: seth SOUNDGARDEN REPRESENTATIVE RESPONDS TO REPORTS OF EVENTS IN NORTH CAROLINA SEATTLE, July 23 /PRNewswire/ -- A representative from the rock group Soundgarden described the series of events which resulted in the arrest and release of lead guitarist Kim Thayil Saturday, July 20th in North Carolina, following the band's performance at the Lollapalooza show held at the Rockingham Dragway: "Kim had returned to his hotel at about 1:00 in the morning to find the door to his room ajar and personal effects missing. He was very upset at what appeared to be a break-in and headed to the lobby to discuss the matter with the front desk. "As he stood at the house phone in the lobby speaking to his manager to inform her of the situation, he was harassed verbally by belligerent members of a wedding party who appeared inebriated. Kim ignored them and attempted to return to his room. As he passed them walking toward the elevator, they simultaneously insulted him and insisted on taking his photograph. He requested that they not take his picture, but then a young man took the photo anyway. "Kim grabbed the disposable camera from the young man and threw it. The group rushed him and accelerated their verbal abuse. While attempting to get away from the crowd, Kim quickly swatted at the face of one of the members of the group. Kim deeply regrets his actions and losing his composure as a response to the group's provocations." Copyright 1996, PR Newswire ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: yet even more on Kim/assault poor kim ;-( makes me want to like, bake them cookies or something. fuck, i'd do it if i thought htey could get anywhere near the band ;-( new shirts... "somms@mit.edu FREE KIM THAYIL" - --caryn ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Atlanta show... From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) > Anyway, the only good reason for the stage being far away was that >the crowd wasn't violent (except for some old, drunk fogies who decided to >"mosh"). Toni, Toni, Toni, what have I told you about drinking and moshing!!!! Girlfriend behave yourself.. :-) And we expect a review from our fearless, obsessed, SIS no later than Thursday.. We'll give you a day to remember who you are... :-) Jamie ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: Atlanta show... On Tue, 23 Jul 1996, Jamesetta Simpson wrote: > > Anyway, the only good reason for the stage being far away was that > >the crowd wasn't violent (except for some old, drunk fogies who decided to > >"mosh"). > > Toni, Toni, Toni, what have I told you about drinking and moshing!!!! Girlfriend behave > yourself.. :-) > And we expect a review from our fearless, obsessed, SIS no later than Thursday.. We'll > give you a day to remember who you are... :-) i'd like to know how someone is defining 'old', actually... were these 60 year olds with canes or just someone older than you? *pout* i do admit that people my age sometimes can be the biggest assholes at shows toni, drive safely! ;-) ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: there must be something good... On Tue, 23 Jul 1996, Carolyn Hanel wrote: > I'M a Metallica fan. Okay, so nowhere near as much as I am a SG fan - for I only own a couple of their CDs, none of their t-shirts, and certainly don't subscribe to their mailing list, if indeed they have one - but a fan of their music nonetheless. And I don't take too kindly to being lumped in with any sort of "typical fan" thing. > > [sigh] > > I I see your point carolyn, butI'm not sure that ben was really angry at every metallica fan alive. just the ones that were in front of him, throwing stuff on stage and making total scumardi of themselves. *any* musician would get the shits with that (having only got 2/3 of a set from the pumpkins because of wits down front throwing bottles on stage, I've seen it first hand). and I'm sure that if you were in the audience, then you wouldn't have been one of those people :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Mayor McCheese Subject: Re: yet even more on Kim/assault You know, I should wait untile I judge Kim. I truly believe he is sorry. Being Chased for Christ's sake!!!! That is sick. Can anyone say "White Trash!"? "If you chase Kim Thayil done a hallway durring your wedding reception, you might be a redneck." (Shroom not included :) ) > "As he stood at the house phone in the lobby speaking to his manager > to inform her of the situation, he was harassed verbally by > belligerent members of a wedding party who appeared inebriated. Kim > ignored them and attempted to return to his room. As he passed them > walking toward the elevator, they simultaneously insulted him and > insisted on taking his photograph. He requested that they not take his > picture, but then a young man took the photo anyway. > > "Kim grabbed the disposable camera from the young man and threw > it. The group rushed him and accelerated their verbal abuse. While > attempting to get away from the crowd, Kim quickly swatted at the face > of one of the members of the group. Kim deeply regrets his actions and > losing his composure as a response to the group's provocations." Mayor McCheese XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX *** Time to Play the McCheese "Name the Fav" Game *** Just Reply to me with the Song Title and Artist And I'll tell you your cool or something "Panic, all hell breaks loose A battered body screams abuse A plastic bullet ends his youth A motherless son turns and pukes" ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: I don't care what you need... On Tue, 23 Jul 1996, seth wrote: > "Kim had returned to his hotel at about 1:00 in the morning to find > the door to his room ajar and personal effects missing. He was very > upset at what appeared to be a break-in and headed to the lobby to > attempting to get away from the crowd, Kim quickly swatted at the face > of one of the members of the group. Kim deeply regrets his actions and > losing his composure as a response to the group's provocations." well, now that we know the whole story (and this seems like the whole story to me) we can keep our faith and trust in kim. I'm very happy to hear that the incident wasn't really kim's fault. it is sad that the situation had to come to violence, but I know that sometimes people can do things under stressful conditions that they wouldn't normally do. I know what it is like to have someone break into your home (in this case kim's hotel room), and the emotions you feel are not entirely on the objective and rational side of the fence. having said that, I'm also glad to know that kim regrets what he did. with that, I can still see him in the same way as I always have: a cool guy, who has no obvious bad side and has a great love for music. I just hope the chick in charlotte and her boyfriend (?) appreciate what they have done, and that kim is not shouldered with an unfair amount of blame when the matter gets to it's hearing. that would, quite plainly, suck. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide - words by kim thayil a guy who very rarely hits women ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Mayor McCheese Subject: Irc I'll probably be on #somms all night through undernet. come see me be stupid. Mayor McCheese XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX *** Time to Play the McCheese "Name the Fav" Game *** Just Reply to me with the Song Title and Artist And I'll tell you your cool or something "Panic, all hell breaks loose A battered body screams abuse A plastic bullet ends his youth A motherless son turns and pukes" ------------------------------ From: GeekGirl@aol.com Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Sunday, 21 Jul 1996 In a message dated 96-07-21 03:13:15 EDT, you write: << Suzie said: >"NOTHINGMAN DID IT... SHIRTGATE 1996" >(or should it say 'Nothingman DIDN'T do it'...) >> did you happen to catch that one " SUZIE".???? D.M.C. ------------------------------ From: jonesee@hargray.com (Kelly Jones) Subject: "old, drunk fogies" definition: Ok, I knew I was going to get some flak for this comment...> >> > Anyway, the only good reason for the stage being far away was that >> >the crowd wasn't violent (except for some old, drunk fogies who decided to >> >"mosh"). > >i'd like to know how someone is defining 'old', actually... were these 60 >year olds with canes or just someone older than you? *pout* >i do admit that people my age sometimes can be the biggest assholes at >shows > No, these particular people were in their 30s. And I didn't say that everyone over the age of 29 was ruining the show. It was just a queer group of people that were acting like assholes. Believe me, if it had been young kids acting that way, I would've complained about them just as much. But when people get more concert-experienced (=older), I would hope they'd be cool...which I'm sure all Sommsters are. bye Kelly ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: RE: summer nights and long warm days... Don't I WISH for summer to be here in Australia again......damn freezing = down here lately! But I digress. =20 {that's your fault, Blind Dog - you always throw in such weirdo subject = titles!!} On Mon, 22 Jul 1996, caryn rose wrote: > as to carolyn's comments about ben's crowd taunting, i dunno. if they > think they'd enjoy the challenge of winning an audience over. but = when > it's an audience full of people who wanna do nothing more than fuck = around > during your set and throw shit at you, well, i'd lose my temper mighty And Blind Dog agreed: >>sorry carolyn, but I think that ben's taunting is ok, if not somewhat valid. and caryn seems to have hit the nail right on the = head........ Okay, Justin & Caryn, I take your points. Very valid ones they are too = (I expected nothing less from either of you!). I wasn't at the concert, = so I can't imagine first-hand what the crowd was actually like. Maybe = they deserved it. But having been in a crowd myself, I am certain that = not ALL those in the crowd deserved to be taunted by Ben! I mean hell, = what sort of a generalisation is he making, sneering at all Metallica = fans like that? I'M a Metallica fan. Okay, so nowhere near as much as I am a SG fan - = for I only own a couple of their CDs, none of their t-shirts, and = certainly don't subscribe to their mailing list, if indeed they have one = - - but a fan of their music nonetheless. And I don't take too kindly to = being lumped in with any sort of "typical fan" thing. [sigh] I guess I was only trying to say that if I had been at the concert when = Ben acted the way he did, then I would have been a very pissed-off gal. = That's all. Carolyn the Magical Fairy Get on the snake where the metal river bleeds.....Soundgarden ------------------------------ From: DEFsonic Subject: Re: SG odd bits On Tue, 23 Jul 1996, Stephen Frantz wrote: > > > Hando, Carolyn.. and other Aus Sommsters.. > > BIMH was suppose to be one of the opening clips on rage last friday night, > but I didn't get home in time to see it, damn it... Oh well, maybe this > week... > It was about the 2nd clip last week. It will be on this friday night aswell, so get the videos working if you are not recording the olympics. seeya Lee _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ Sonic Turn IT up and PLAY it LOUD, let the blood rush to your head. Sonic mail: ar303921@student.uq.edu.au ------------------------------ Subject: I've fallen and I can't get up!!! From: tonerkin@usa.pipeline.com (Tonerkin) Hi Guys, road trip to Atlanta is over!! (After a 14 hour ,5 state car ride with no air conditioning- someone didn't say their prayers for me thank you very much) Anyway all is well except if I see one more fuckin row of corn I'm liable to hit anyone I encounter named Heather or Muffy or whatever!! I'm way too tired to write a review. You know these concerts are tough on us old drunk fogies!! I owe ya one Jamie!! :-) More later, toni ------------------------------ From: Lightning Boy Subject: Re: yet even more on Kim/assault At 07:46 PM 7/23/96 -0500, you wrote: >"If you chase Kim Thayil done a hallway durring your wedding reception, >you might be a redneck." (Shroom not included :) ) Quote of the week, no?? I laughed my ass off!! .__ .__ .__ __ .__ __________ | | |__| ____ | |___/ |_ ____ |__| ____ ____ \______ \ ____ ___.__. | | | |/ ___\| | \ __\/ \| |/ \ / ___\ | | _// _ < | | | |_| / /_/ > | \ | | | \ | | \/ /_/ > | | ( <_> )___ | |____/__\___ /|___| /__| |___| /__|___| /\___ / |______ /\____// ____| /_____/ \/ \/ \//_____/ \/ \/ aka Eric Bonus lightning@ag.net Keeper of the "Complete AIC Lyrics Songbook" (Now in version 3.5! (HTML!!)) http://www.ag.net/~lightning/aic/lyrics/ ------------------------------ From: "Thomas D. Ozbirn" Subject: satanoscilliatemymetallicsonatas anyone know where i can pick up the BMF/SOMMS pack? Ichecked w/ a local = place, and i think it was listed as the BMF limited ed. pack w/ live cd. = only thing is it was deleted (according to the guy there) in 92. anyway = you guys know to get ahold of it? ------------------------------ From: LAWNMOWER MAN Subject: Odd stuff Hey everyone, I'm glad to hear that Lolla was so good this last time for Soundgarden, even with the Kim incident. I do agree with a lot of people about Soundgarden's behavior. I think they knew what they were getting into with Lollapolooza. Chris himself said on MTV that the only reason that they were doing it was because Metallica was. Plus, whenever you put yourself and your work out in the open for public scrutiny, you are taking a big chance. That's why I respect musicians so much. I marched in core type bands for a number of years, and I know all about how it feels when people don't like you, and you have put so much effort into something. I also know how it feels to have people worship you. Face it, musicians take a big chance, and they have to be prepared for any outcome. The music reflects their souls, and it's easy to see where they could take things personally, but they need to be ready for it. Certain things you do are just plain taking a big risk. Savatage has produced two rock operas (Streets and Dead Winter Dead) and Blackie Lawless of W.A.S.P. produced one (The Crimson Idol). A rock opera is a huge risk, and it can end your career if you don't sell enough records to make your label resign you. Doing Lollapolooza is also a big risk because there are so many bands there, and chances are, people aren't there to specifically see you. And they can be quite rude. Soundgarden knew that, and the chance to tour with Metallica was something that they didn't want to pass up. They knew the crowd would have a lot of jerks, and they knew a lot of people would be there to see Metallica. So, like I read before, I also feel a little sorry for them, but I respect them for sticking their neck out in the first place, and I think they need to act like the men they are and keep sticking their neck out and keep doing their job, because in the end, it's the music that matters. They are touching many people in many ways, and if they lose focus and let the music slip and their behavior take over, they are losing. They are a great band and need to keep that image up. And I think they will. In any case, I am pulling for them. They aren't naive, and this is what they chose to do. Good luck, Soundgarden. To Carolyn Hanel.....great post. We might like them a lot, but they are still human, and no better than any of us. Why is it cool to be a jerk? They will come out of the tour having grown, and they will survive and be better for it. :) Chris ------------------------------ From: Lightning Boy Subject: Chris's Shirt Does anyone know if the shirt that Chris wears in the video for FOBD, the one with the 90 crossed out, has any significance?? I've also noticed it on him (I think its him) on the cover of Temple Of The Dog. Can anyoen enlighten me?? Thanks a lot, .__ .__ .__ __ .__ __________ | | |__| ____ | |___/ |_ ____ |__| ____ ____ \______ \ ____ ___.__. | | | |/ ___\| | \ __\/ \| |/ \ / ___\ | | _// _ < | | | |_| / /_/ > | \ | | | \ | | \/ /_/ > | | ( <_> )___ | |____/__\___ /|___| /__| |___| /__|___| /\___ / |______ /\____// ____| /_____/ \/ \/ \//_____/ \/ \/ aka Eric Bonus lightning@ag.net Keeper of the "Complete AIC Lyrics Songbook" (Now in version 3.5! (HTML!!)) http://www.ag.net/~lightning/aic/lyrics/ ------------------------------ From: Aldrich Subject: My SG Haikus I love the quote: "Haikus are all the Rage on the Net." Lollapalooza Coming to the Gorge Tuesday SG Virg'n no more Jesus Christ Pose Rocks It's prob'ly my favorite Or Birth Ritual My fave _WAS_ Pearl Jam Then alterna-preps killed them Hope SGs not next Well, I don't think I have a career as a Poet. (Virg'n is a one syllable word -- Look it up!) @ @ ' \_/ ---Ryland ------------------------------ From: Terri Parks Subject: LA Lollapalooza Is anyone going to the Irvine Lollapalooza show and happen to live in the area? If possible, can someone let me know of a few decent hotel/motel that are in the vicinity. Iam unfamiliar with that area and need some help. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. (feel free to e-mail me privately) By the way, what is Undernet HRCing? or whatever..... Terri ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 193] ****************************************