From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 10 Jul 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 02:54:01 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Wednesday, 10 Jul 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Badmotorfinger Ross Perot well... Re: CHRIS/AIDS Re: CHRIS/AIDS Re[2]: CHRIS/AIDS Re: CHRIS/AIDS aids is NOT a f**king joke Re: Re[2]: CHRIS/AIDS Fwd: CHRIS/AIDS Re: CHRIS/AIDS Re: Motorvision unsubbing Re: In luv w/Chris FW: sg shirts at lolla Re: MTV & Soundgarden at Lolla Re: aids is NOT a f**king joke Re: aids is NOT a f**king joke Re: aids is NOT a f**king joke SG on the comp. Re: chris cornell chris cornell Re: CHRIS/AIDS 7/5 Lolla Barrie, Ontario musicianship The Showbox 1st post, NC Lolla Re: chris cornell Re[4]: CHRIS/AIDS humble apologies STuFF Syracuse, NY Re: 7/5 Lolla Barrie, Ontario (fwd) chris/aids lolla in pownal, vt chris and the fork ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Warren Dyson Subject: Badmotorfinger Hi there! I recently saw a strange tape copy of BMF in my local record store... It had exactly the same track listing & credits, but the cover was different. The best way I can describe it would be 'psycadelic', a sort of multi-coloured version of the wheel on the front.... Can anyone shed any light ? By the way, for all those complaining about Lollapalooza........ Try living in the UK, we don't even get the chance :( Cheers Now, Warren. +============================================================================+ | | | WaRreN DySOn - _____ .__ .__ | | / \ ____ ____________|__|____ | |_ | | Guitar / \ / \_/ __ \/ ___/ ___/| |\__ \| \ | | / Y \ ____\___ \___ \| |/ __ | T \ | | \____|__ /\__ /____ /___ /|__|___ |__| / | | \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ | | | | & Computer Programmer - warren@anchor.co.uk | | | | "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to | | anyone, but they've always worked for me." | | -- Hunter S. Thompson | | | +============================================================================+ ------------------------------ From: targaz@primenet.com Subject: Ross Perot I've listened to that portion of Bootcamp on head phones as loud as I could stand, and I wouldn't doubt if that was Ross Perot (or Dana Carvey). The voice has that Texas twang to it and the same cadence as Perot. By the way, apologies to all concerned regarding yesterdays faux-pas with the list. I do however appreciate all of the kind letters with their suggestions as to how to correct the problem. (humor) Additionally, I received so much mail from the list that my server nearly crashed and now NetAdmin has informed me that the next time that happens, I will be assigned a new e-mail address: dumbshit@totalfuckingidiot.com GardenBoy (Rob Chipman) chip9162@uidaho.edu - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- (Rock Music is) The most brutal, ugly, desperate, vicious form of expression it has been my misfortune to hear. Frank Sinatra And I hope its a sweet ride, Sleep tight for me, Sleep tight for me I'm gone SG ------------------------------ From: overfloater@bbs.cowland.com Subject: well... normally i'd write mail from the nexus, but since it's down.... well, in about an hour i'll be leaving for lollapalooza. last time i saw soundgarden i was a LOT more excited (and hearing their name on the howard stern show that day along with some good comments from howie got me even more excited) but this time i dunno i'm just here. :) maybe it hasn't sunk in yet. maybe i'm scared, after what i heard about the crowd in front of the stage, which is where i plan to be for soundgarden's entire set, because when i saw them last time i had to sit really far away and it sucked and i was missing out on all the fun on the floor :) oh well. hehe my dad said "dont go in the moshpit, you'll get killed" Heheheh :) Two years ago he didnt know what a moshpit was :) oh well, enough of my ranting.. wish i could check my mail =) i'll come back with a very good review. :) ------------------------------ From: HOLMEST@198.81.231.2.dstm.com Subject: Re: CHRIS/AIDS This sounds like a Jr. High Girls bathroom conversation. Is there another list for teeny boppers? Although most all of the material I've seen so far on this list is cool, some of this is rediculous. Everyone can accept Shroom's infatuous comments, but is this going a little far? If I'm out of line, I'll apologize...just an opinion. Later, Taylor ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: CHRIS/AIDS Author: SOMMS@aol.com at Internet Date: 7/9/96 4:55 AM hi guys, shroom and i were talking about chris (who else?). and for those of you wondering, we *did* discuss the music a little. now aren't you all proud of us?? good, i knew you would be. anyway, i asked her if she could *actually* have sex with chris, and in the process, get AIDS, would she do it? and is it worth it? and so i'm thinking to myself, "hmm, i'm going to post this to the list (SORRY seth)." so guys, *ahem* GIRLS, if you could have sex with chris and get aids in the process, would you??? this oughta be interesting, and reply to ME, not the list!!! ciao, ~Flutter Girl~ ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: CHRIS/AIDS >This sounds like a Jr. High Girls bathroom conversation. Is there >another list for teeny boppers? Although most all of the material >I've seen so far on this list is cool, some of this is rediculous. >Everyone can accept Shroom's infatuous comments, but is this going >a little far? If I'm out of line, I'll apologize...just an opinion. No, this is not a "teeny bopper" list. And the reason that everyone "accepts" my comments is because I've been through hell and back in flame wars to earn the right to post my own personal thoughts. Ok... hell and back is a slight exaggeration. ;) And I think that for quite a few people on the list, "tolerate" would be a more accurate word than "accept." Now as to the particular subject at hand (Chris/Aids)... everyone on this list can post whatever they choose, as long as it's Soundgarden related. The last time I checked, Chris Cornell was still in the band. And kindly remember... what seems "ridiculous" to some is entertaining to others. One quick question... why do you hang around in Jr. High Girl's bathrooms? Shroom ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... *** Chris Cornell | |.| |.| |\./| "She drinkin' my JackDaniels |\./| and smokin' all my weed" .\ |\./| /. ~~Andy Wood, MLB \-.\ |\\.//| /.-/ \--./\ |\\.//| /\.--/ \--.| \ |\\.//| / |.--/ \---.|\ |\./| /|.---/ \--.|\ |\./| /|.--/ \ .\ |.| /. / _ -_- \ \\ // / -_- _ - -/_/_/- | | -\_\_\- - /_\ ------------------------------ From: HOLMEST@198.81.231.2.dstm.com Subject: Re[2]: CHRIS/AIDS In retrospect, Shroom is right. What makes this whole thing so great is the right to voice whatever the hell you want. Who the hell am I to complain about content? My only problem is that I wouldn't see myself or other guys posting things to the 7 Year Bitch page like "Ohh, that lead singer is hot! What position would you like her in?" This is just because I don't think others are interested in my fantasies (which have nothing to do with Jr. High Girls Bathrooms) :) Also, I don't thnk anyone here are teeny boppers. Actually, I repect the fiestiness of everyone. I think true Soundgarden fans are unique in the sense of standing HARD for their beliefs. As much as this list is dedicated to Soundagarden, it is dedicated us fans and learning about one another...and a flaming here and there teaches us lessons. By the way, I hope the Nothingman shirt situation turns out OK because I have heard of this type of scam on other lists. Later, Taylor ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: CHRIS/AIDS Author: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com at Internet Date: 7/9/96 11:18 AM >This sounds like a Jr. High Girls bathroom conversation. Is there >another list for teeny boppers? Although most all of the material >I've seen so far on this list is cool, some of this is rediculous. >Everyone can accept Shroom's infatuous comments, but is this going >a little far? If I'm out of line, I'll apologize...just an opinion. No, this is not a "teeny bopper" list. And the reason that everyone "accepts" my comments is because I've been through hell and back in flame wars to earn the right to post my own personal thoughts. Ok... hell and back is a slight exaggeration. ;) And I think that for quite a few people on the list, "tolerate" would be a more accurate word than "accept." Now as to the particular subject at hand (Chris/Aids)... everyone on this list can post whatever they choose, as long as it's Soundgarden related. The last time I checked, Chris Cornell was still in the band. And kindly remember... what seems "ridiculous" to some is entertaining to others. One quick question... why do you hang around in Jr. High Girl's bathrooms? Shroom ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... *** Chris Cornell | |.| |.| |\./| "She drinkin' my JackDaniels |\./| and smokin' all my weed" .\ |\./| /. ~~Andy Wood, MLB \-.\ |\\.//| /.-/ \--./\ |\\.//| /\.--/ \--.| \ |\\.//| / |.--/ \---.|\ |\./| /|.---/ \--.|\ |\./| /|.--/ \ .\ |.| /. / _ -_- \ \\ // / -_- _ - -/_/_/- | | -\_\_\- - /_\ ------------------------------ From: SOMMS@aol.com Subject: Re: CHRIS/AIDS Taylor, Obviously, you are entitled to your own opinion, and likewise, so are we. Shroom has defended her position time and time again, and no comments about Jr. High bathroom talk is going to change anything. Accept that. We are obsessed with Chris Cornell's sexy body (and everything else, too), and as much as some list members want to, we cannot be kept in a jar and contained because someone doesn't "like" our posts. Just delete and move on, it's that simple, I do it all the time. This *is* the Internet and freedom of speech *does* exist, and Chris Cornell *is* a member of Soundgarden, so I don't feel we've broken any sacred vows. Oh yeah, before I forget. Sommsters: when Chris sings the part in BIMH, "all the little pigs have God", do you guys think it is a fererence to Christians? I know he's used the term "fish" to describe them, (Are you a Christian? CC: No, I think they're little fish in a big pond, and I don't want to be a fish. *I haven't read that article in years, so that's not the correct wording). Anyway, just a thought. Horray for me!! I'm talking about the music. BTW, for inquiring minds, so far there is no one on this list who would contract the AIDS virus for a shot at sleeping with Chris. I'm sure he'll be glad to know that :-) ~Flutter Girl~ ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: aids is NOT a f**king joke [speaking as the loudest defender of shroom's right to lust publicly] okay, shroom: do you REALLY find this topic amusing???? does ANYONE on the list (besides the person who posted it) really find this question amusing? if so, step forward. please! i mean, if i'm being an uptight, repressed bitch with no sense of humor, im' sure there are no shortage of people who will tell me so! ;-) there is a HUGE difference between this dumbfoundedly STUPID question, and shroom's playful lusting. people fucking DIE from this disease. obviously the person who posed the question has never lost a friend or relative to the disease, or done any volunteer work with HIV+ people. or you wouldn't have even THOUGHT about the question. this isn't even girls' bathroom talk. can you say what you want on this list? by all means. so right now, i am going to say that i found that post to be the most idiotic, offensive, immature and disturbing post on this list since i've been here. imho, of course. i told seth last night that i wasn't going to respond. i wouldn't have said a word if shroom hadn't charged in here, guns a'blazing, defending flutter girl's 'right' to post that thought. you're right, shroom, she can post what she wants. but if she does, then i have the right to tell her how unbelievably offended i was by it. she makes the list look stupid, she makes women look stupid. i am not going to sit here and tell you aids horror stories. because obviously they would have no effect anyway. i won't tell you about the friends that i lost in the 80's, the companion of a college friend who i used to visit in the hospital weekly... whatever. to you it's a joke. i am just going to write this off that you had no idea what you were saying. fun is fun, but sex is not worth dying for. chris cornell or no chris cornell. i mean, what is he? a fucking god or something? he's just a person... a talented, attractive person... with a wicked sense of humor... but this is sad. it's sad that you don't have enough sense of yourself and your worth as a person that you would... oh nevermind. i'm not making any sense, and i'm sure i'm talking to a brick wall anyway. - --caryn praying for an august 9 lolla date so she can GO ;-) ------------------------------ From: SOMMS@aol.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: CHRIS/AIDS Wow Taylor, well said. I have a lot or respect for you, and of course, completely agree . Did you get a shirt too? ~Flutter Girl~ ------------------------------ From: SOMMS@aol.com Subject: Fwd: CHRIS/AIDS Sommosaurs, just thought this one was interesting. ~Flutter~ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - --------------------------------------------- << >GIRLS, if you could have sex with chris and >get aids in the process, would you??? HELL YEAH I WOULD HAVE SEX WITH HIM. I WOULD DO ANYTHING JUST TO MEET HIM >> - --------------------- Forwarded message: From: pepin@earthlink.net (Mark Pepin) To: SOMMS@aol.com Date: 96-07-09 12:52:12 EDT >GIRLS, if you could have sex with chris and >get aids in the process, would you??? HELL YEAH I WOULD HAVE SEX WITH HIM. I WOULD DO ANYTHING JUST TO MEET HIM. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: CHRIS/AIDS From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) >and so i'm thinking to myself, "hmm, i'm going to post this to the list >(SORRY seth)." so guys, *ahem* GIRLS, if you could have sex with chris and >get aids in the process, would you??? This is not funny!!! I know people who are faced with this type situation. Believe me they are not laughing. Do you have any idea what it would be like to really love someone and know that you risk getting or giving a "deadly" disease to them.. Do you have any idea what it would be like to love someone and want to have children with them, knowing you could pass a death sentences on them.. How do you know there are not people on this list that are HIV positives or have full blown Aids.. Yes, there are ways to take precautions, but the ugly truth is always there....you could pass the disease on.. The people I know who have or had Aids, usually have a great sense of humor. They make jokes to keep each others sprites up, to try and make their days (and their love ones days) filled with some type of normalcy. But the sadness is always there. I have kept my mouth shut on all the immature talk that has been written on this list... But I will not stand by and let sick humor like this go by. If you think it was just a joke, then I'm feel sorry for you. Death and Aids is not a joke!!!!! Jamie ------------------------------ From: ADDC Subject: Re: Motorvision On Tue, 9 Jul 1996, Chris Mansfield wrote: > >Yes you are right I could have searched the webpage for info on the two tapes. > >But I was more interested in hearing what someone, who had already owned > >the tape(s), thought about it. Having someone on the list's personal opinion is > >important. Maybe you need to reread my post and understand the context. I > >was not trying to demand an answer.."Someone help me here" doesn't sound > >too demanding to me. > > but "please give me a extensive detailed report on them" does. I am sorry that what I said came off like that. > i think caryn has a point, but as someone who knows her personally i know > she can also have a near-condescending way of getting her point across. vincent ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: unsubbing hey all, i'm going to be unsubbing from the list for a while. i'll still read the digests on the page, and hope to keep in touch with many of you. work is just getting crazy, and my email load is going insane. take care, gang-- - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Moonsta693@aol.com Subject: Re: In luv w/Chris My dear, I don't know if it would work with Chris, but It does work with other guys(I know, I tried) But I probably wouldn't do it to Chris, I wouldn't have the guts! ------------------------------ From: Chris Farley Subject: FW: sg shirts at lolla - ---------- From: Farley, Chris @ GOI Sent: Monday, July 08, 1996 12:46 PM To: 'Tonerkin' Subject: RE: sg shirts at lolla I think a snail-mail barrage is a great idea. I did not order a shirt(I = didn't send my money in time, thank God) but I think it sucks that this = guy scammed what sounds like a tidy sum of money from the list. I = everyone on the list, whether you ordered a shirt or not, would send one = letter a week. I think the mailbox would overflow. Might cause a = consciences adult to inquire where all of the mail is coming from and = then maybe something will happen. Shirts or money back( although I bet = there is no master list in existence to prove who paid). If someone has = his address they should post it. And maybe Seth could put something on = the web site start page like "Nothingman is a skunk!!!" Later Chris - ---------- From: Tonerkin[SMTP:tonerkin@usa.pipeline.com] Sent: Monday, July 08, 1996 9:35 AM To: BTimLake@aol.com Cc: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: sg shirts at lolla On Jul 08, 1996 06:55:53, 'BTimLake@aol.com' wrote:=20 =20 =20 >What have we decided about nothingman? Are we waiting =20 >for him to reappear? Have we written off that $10-$30 that a lot of us spent?=20 >Perhaps someone who lives near "Friendsville" could pay our man a visit = =20 =20 I just have a bad feeling that our money and sense of trust (here's to you Ray) is out the window!! I offered to help Nothingman with the = money collecting and sending out shirts but he was adament to do it on his = own!=20 Maybe there was a reason for that! I still would like to think that he didn't scam us out of our money!! He seemed to enjoy this list so much = is the paltry sum of money he got worth losing us and his clean = conscience???? I don't know what we can do short of sending out a *goon* squad and pounding his senseless! Since we all have his snail mail address we = could start a hate letter writing campaign!!! Flood his parents mailbox with venom!!! What Lolla was he going to?? Maybe you sommsters going to the same one can keep your eyes peeled for a guy and his friends in nice = cream color somms tees with a fork and posting with my good eye closed written = on the back and than borrow some of the Monk's weaponry for a good old fashion ass- whoppin!!! Oh Nothingman we hardly knew ya!!! Toni ------------------------------ From: Moonsta693@aol.com Subject: Re: MTV & Soundgarden at Lolla The Lolla rockumentary was Okay in showing the history, and I liked that. There was little of soundgarden, ya, but what they had to say(Chris and Kim) was preety true, and I think Lars did wrap it up all nicley at the end of the show, but all-in-all, I think MTV did a preety good job, for once. The original Preety Noose ------------------------------ From: SOMMS@aol.com Subject: Re: aids is NOT a f**king joke Oh Caryn, here we go again. First of all, I *was* serious, it wasn't a joke like you've come to believe. I wasn't taking a cheap shot at AIDS. I was talking to Shroom last night and she said, "I would do most anything for that man." And so I asked her, not to make fun of her lusting after him, but out of curiousity. Which is also the reason why I posted it to the list. *Out of curiousity*. I wanted to know whether there was some female out there who would actaully go *that* far and die for him. Luckily, there's only one person who would be that stupid, and she's the one you should direct your soapbox at, not me. I don't think anyone on the list thought that my post was amusing, it wasn't meant to be amusing. It was a very serious question, and the replies I received were serious likewise. So no, you're not an "uptight repressed bitch with no sense of humor." Yes Caryn, I know ppl die from this disease. And yes, I've seen ppl die from it, which is why I wondered if anyone thought Chris was *that* worth it. I certainly don't. And neither does Shroom. But Caryn, is it really necessary for you to tell me how it made the list and women in genreal look stupid? I think that's taking it a bit too far. The only person who made the list look stupid was whoever said they were willing to contract to AIDS virus for a shot at sharing a bed with Chris. Lastly, I apologize for ticking you off. Caryn, I am sorry that my post has so obvioulsy offended you and that my post hit upon such a touchy subject. I realize that regardless of the intent, it was not in good taste, and I should have kept it between myself and Shroom. I also extend my apology to the entire list, many of whom have probably been offended as well. And also to you Seth, I am sorry you have to put up with this kind of bullshit and I am sorry for stepping over the line on this one. ~Flutter Girl~ - --is anyone going to the July 21st Lolla??? ------------------------------ From: Jane Subject: Re: aids is NOT a f**king joke ok, i have to agree with Caryn on this one, i've seen my friend die of aids and it's not even something i wanna think about anymore. i agree that everyone should be allowed to voice their opinion on this matter and i don't condemn whoever posted this but i have to say that i don't think it's even a question that people should ask themselves. just my opinion. Justine "came to grind me into stone polishing the angled flesh and bone the smallest cut to drain my soul precious words of comfort swallowed whole oh no she said i tried for love and died for love but i'd kill for you i want i want wanted to.. you tore the makeup from my face with every acid word you ever know now every line and crack exposed exploited fully till each scar shone through... oh no she said i tried for love, i died for love but i'd kill for you." ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: aids is NOT a f**king joke >there is a HUGE difference between this dumbfoundedly >STUPID question, and shroom's playful lusting. people >fucking DIE from this disease. I can understand where you're coming from completely Caryn, having lost a very close friend to AIDS while still in high school. BUT, I'm still going to defend Flutter on this one, not just because she's a friend, but because I'm still interested in hearing the end result of the poll. Your point that Chris isn't a God was true (although many of us enjoy claiming that he is)... but yet I've heard MANY women also claim that they'd do ANYTHING to sleep with him. I think the AIDS aspect was the easiest way to test that statement. Yes, I may be "psycho and obsessed," but there are some people out there who are downright scary... and might actually answer "yes" to that question. It's just a personal curiousity to want to know the answer to this one. But I don't see how asking that question made the list OR women look stupid. Surely everyone can understand that each subscriber has his or her own personal agenda with the list? Wait... before you get mad and want to reach through my computer screen to shake the hell out of me, please read on... For anyone else wishing to flame, please know that I have to take part blame for the question being asked. Flutter had asked me it first, and then I encouraged her when she said she wanted to post the question to the list. Neither of us realized that anyone would take offense to the question, so therefore we saw no harm in posting it. She and I are truly sorry to cause any frustration and disgust among the listers. Please accept our apologies and assurances that we will seriously consider the effect of our future posts to the list. We weren't trying to make a joke, we were just curious as to the end result. It was in terrible taste, and again, we are TRULY sorry. Shroom "Well Shroomy, you really managed to put your foot in your mouth THIS time, didn't you!?!? I'm afraid I'll have to spank you..." ~ Chris Cornell (Words not necessarily said in that order...) <~~~ my disclaimer ------------------------------ From: Moonsta693@aol.com Subject: SG on the comp. I know for a fact that Matt is probably the only comp. freak out there in the band(It's a complement Matt)wll anyhow, I don't know if Chris does, but that would be preety damn cool. But, I don't know, maybe just to Shroom, so she'd calm down a little. Even though that is impossible. Ohh, yea, just incase. (hope ya don't mind I do this but)Chris, dear, Rachel loves ya(a friend of mine) the original Preety Nooes ------------------------------ From: Moonsta693@aol.com Subject: Re: chris cornell I know EXACTLY what you mean. I think the only thing that attrats me to Chris is the man inside. He's a human bein', yep, and he's exposed to the same things we all are. but who's to judge him for what he has done in the past, or what he does now. I think the thing that appeals to us from his lyrics, is how close they are to how we are feeling right at the moment. I could say that me and Chris have somethin' in common 'cause of that, and I think we can all say that. hey, when someone gets on my nerves, I say keep it off my wave, when I felt suicidal, I listened to (well now)Blow up the Outside world, and it did make me feel better that someone else feels that way, and that is exactly what Chris said. It's a common bond we all have, so sometimes you just have to look past his looks, and look into the man. The original Preety noose ------------------------------ From: HQXH39C@prodigy.com (MR SEAN M MCELENY) Subject: chris cornell heres what i know about him, his life that is , (BEAR WITH ME THERE IS A POINT) - -he used drugs for a couple years str8 when he was a teenager - - he then was a goraphobic(SPelling?) for a couple of more years after that, meaning he didnt talk to anyone.- - - he gets deppressed and lonely ( ever heard the song Seasons?) - - hes been married for six years? dated Susan for 6 years before that i think too. - - hes just a guy, everything hes attained (physically and mentally) has been from hard work. noone is perfect , inside or out. your body will grown and decay( heard that somewhre?) to have sex with someone and die from it is the most imature question. maybe your value of human life and yours in particular is different from mine. I read an article about how Patti Smith watched a close freind die slowly of AIDS and she was very upset when Kurt Cobain killed himself because her friend struggled to hold onto his life and he took his for granted. Maybe its just me but i always thought it was guys who asked theese types of questions about women and then females were disgusted at them. Who said he would even want to have sex with you? do you think he bases peoples attractivness on their physical features? he writes music, plays it, and is a pretty cool guy. thats all, he isnt working on THE CURE FOR AIDS or done anything massivaly important. I enjoy his music so much that I feel that I could have written it , the lyrics and melodies are almost a part of me. He CAN CHANGE HIS FUCKING MIND ABOUT ANYTHING HE WANTS TO , HES A HUMAN BEING < WE"RE ALL HYPOCRITES. whether he takes off a shirt or not is no fucking big deal. Im just 18 ( male) and some people tell me Im god looking, when i look in the mirror i dont really see it. when i leave my house , even though im 6 foot tall, i feel like im 3 feet high, im sure thats how Chris feels, like in the songNever Named. not that many people resond to my post so i asume not that many people read them but as long as i got theese thoughts out of my head then i feel better.sean ------------------------------ From: Chris Mackenzie Subject: Re: CHRIS/AIDS I don't even really think Fluttergirl's post is Soundgarden related anyways... I mean I could say something like "Hey guys, if Chris Cornell was a chick and didn't look a thing like CC and was a really hot chick, would you have sex with her?", does that make it Soundgarden related? Does that make sense? I think thats pretty much the length of SG relativity of Fluttergirl's message 'cause you could ask that question about anyone... - -- Chris Mackenzie - cmackenz@spots.ab.ca - The Unofficial Wellwater Conspiracy Homepage - http://www.spots.ab.ca/~cmackenz/ - "Wellwater tastes better than tap water any day!" - SWRJr. ------------------------------ Subject: 7/5 Lolla Barrie, Ontario From: nephend@usa.pipeline.com (nancy e phend) Just got home from Canada (I live in Michigan). I went through all my mail and didn't see any reviews on the 7/5 Lolla in Barrie, Ontario. I drove 5 hours to get there and think it was definately worth it. I am going to give a set list, but it is not in order and is by memory. They played alot more old stuff than I thought they would but I thought it was great. (In no particular order) Spoonman (opening song) Searching With My Good Eye Closed Outshined (Excellent) Rusty Cage (heavy moshing) Black Hole Sun (Chris by himself) Fell on Black Days Jesus Christ Pose (Excellent, my favorite) Burden in my Hand Pretty Noose (much better than on Saturday Night Live) Rhinosaur Ty Cobb (crowd went wild and almost crushed me & my husband) Drawing Flies (great) Kickstand (more heavy moshing) Mailman Unknown Song-I have no idea what it was, cover song maybe. They played for about and hour and 15 minutes, after the Ramones and before Metallica. The Mystery Guest was the Violent Femmes (yuk). They had alot of tshirts for sale. I bought 4 (Lolla Butterfly, Lolla w/a little weird guy on it, L. Grey Soundgarden with a strange drawing on front, a "baby doll" with Lolla & a cherry on the front) All were $30 Canadian except the "baby doll" was $25 Canadian. A Lolla hat was $30 Canadian. The sound was great, the weather was great and Soundgarden was better than ever. nephend ------------------------------ From: "stella" Subject: musicianship This guy was looking around my website and saw my little SG page and wrote me with this to say about them. He's so true! <----------------------quote---------------------------> Soundgarden is my favorite band as well. When I first bought Badmotorfinger, I thought it was just awful noise, and the singer was one that I couldn't really sing along too. This really frustrated me, but I kept listening to it. Eventually I discovered that this was the COOLEST SHIT I HAD EVER HEARD! I learned that a song's singalongability (?) doesn't count for jack, and I really learned to appreciate the POETRY and MUSICIANSHIP of it all. I like a lot of different types of music now. Anything with excellent musicianship really turns me on. Meat Puppets are a good example of this ( check out "Too High to Die"!) <---------------------end quote----------------------------> Visit the Stupid Poem Library! srogers@fix.net http://www.fix.net/~srogers "Not only is life a bitch, but its always having puppies" ------------------------------ From: memyself@ix.netcom.com (Matt Bowen) Subject: The Showbox I recently joined this list and I'm not sure if anyone gave a review of Soundgarden's Lollapalooza warm up show at The Showbox. I wasn't there, but my brother was (I'm not over 21). Sam Perkins, Randy Johnson, and Stone Gossard all attended the concert. My brother saw them in '92 and said that he like their show in '92 better, but their recent show was still good, but not as good as he thought it was going to be. He said that the sound at The Showbox sucked, you could hardly hear the vocals, and he said that Soundgarden didn't play their best songs, they didn't play "Slaves & Bulldozers" or "Loud Love" or any of the classics. I'm going to Lollapalooza and I wish I could speak to one of the members about their song selections before they come to the Gorge in Washington, does anyone know if that's possible? Matt ------------------------------ From: jonathan houser Subject: 1st post, NC Lolla greetings all i've been reading the list for about a month now and all the talk about Lolla has prompted me to write. i'll be in the charlotte(sp?) area around the 20th and being from philly, i have no clue where rockingham is located. i read that jeremy and rainyday were going but if anyone could give me any info, i would be very grateful. i saw sg at lolla in 92 and 2 other times since then and don't want to miss them now. jon houser@uscom.com ------------------------------ From: HOLMEST@198.81.231.2.dstm.com Subject: Re: chris cornell I think Sean has hit the nail on the head. Chris is just a pretty normal guy in a band. People ask if the band reads the list. Do you think the Crew would appreciate being treated like they are gods or something? It's the whole Eddie Vedder situation all over again. Humans have the tendency to immortalize and paint pretty pictures in their heads of what celebrities are like. I think the jaded images of a lot of the Seattle music icons also contribute to the public's fascination. A lot of this is spawned by successful marketing and by the artists themselves. I think it's important to remember that they are just people and if I ever met Soundgarden in a bar, I'd be like 'What's Up, wanna shoot some darts?' instead of 'Look!! It's Chris, Kim, Matt, and Ben!!! God this is a fiesty group!! You can get flamed in an instant around here! :) Later, Taylor ------------------------------ From: HOLMEST@198.81.231.2.dstm.com Subject: Re[4]: CHRIS/AIDS Flutter Girl wrote: Did you get a shirt too? No, I'm relatively new 2 the list so I must have missed that offer. I think I would have been wary, though. In the future, whenever someone make an offer like that be sure to split up the responsibilities and not fully trust one person to do everything. I think someone said that they offered to help collect the money and was refused. Also, there is a site on the net that is like a huge phone book. If you have the address you may be able to track down a phone number with some digging. If you guys/gals think it's worth it, I can find out the net address. Theres still a chance that nothingman is truly having PC problems, though. Later, Taylor ------------------------------ From: SOMMS@aol.com Subject: humble apologies Ok Guys, Yes, I realize that no one out there wants to hear from me again, but I owe every single one of you an apology, and you're going to get it. As you've already heard from Shroom, we ARE truly sorry, and believe me, if it hadn't been 3 in the morning, and I had actually *thought* about what I was posting, then it would have never made it to the list. This was not some sick joke that I was trying to pull, but out of a curiousity as to how serious people are when they get obsessive about celebrities. I am so sorry for those of you who feel that I have poked fun at such a serious disease, please know that that was not my intent at all. I understand your reaction completely, and would have reacted the same way had I been in your shoes. I hope you all are able to forgive me for making such a huge mistake. I assure you all that it will *never* happen again. Humbly, ~Flutter Girl~ ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: STuFF High kiddies... I was just on good old AOL (heheheh), and I noticed that there's going to be an online interview with Kyle Petty tomorrow night (7/10) at 9pm ET. I'm thinking of going to it, and asking him how he feels about the SG song "Kyle Petty, Son of Richard". I'll write and let y'all know if I get an answer... Shroom "I can't do the pinky thing!!" ~ Chris Cornell "You can have naked people on public access..." ~ Chris Cornell ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: Syracuse, NY Hey List! WARNING: This post doesn't include any tasteless offensive content. It was not written to invoke any flame wars. It is strictly an information search post. Please delete NOW! k.... Anyway...I've finally robbed 3 or 4 convenience stores and came up with enough dough to attend this Saturday's "Dollarpalooza" in Syracuse, NY! YES! Actually I just cashed a paycheck and found someone else to drive..anyway: My lime green gremlin is filled with your typical Lollapalooza survival gear. CD player, Tickets, Handcuffs, SPF45 Sunscreen, Food, and my Molson variety pack of beer. I'm unsure which brand is the official beer of Soundgarden, so I've loaded up on Molson Canadian, Brador, XXX, Ice, Light, Excel, Labatt's, Export, Golden etc. As some of you know...One of the best parts of Lolla is the party in the parking lot...So, In my Molson induced stupor... I'm finally going to fulfill one of my dreams. I'm going to crank the following tunes from the Pacer's Kraco stereo: Soundgarden - Big Dumb Sex (Remix) Revolting Cock's - Do Ya Think I'm Sexy Nine Inch Nails - Get Down Make Love Alice in Chains - We Die Young Tad - Jack Smashing Pumpkins - I am One Mudhoney - Overblown RATM - Killing in the name of... Jane's Addiction - Mountain Song Metallica - Last Caress/Green Hell and the finale: Soundgarden - Sub Pop Rock City (I'll be inserting the boot 7" versions lyrics about being on the road for too long ;-) I hope to scare the small children in the parking lot ;-) or maybe I'll play the Carpenter's Greatest Hits while taking hits from a 20 foot water bong...dunno. "we've only just begun........." So, I've got the tickets (soon), the directions to the venue...my side car of money...but I need a place to stay the night. I've gone online and I have the addresses of a swarm of hotels and motels in the Syracuse area...but I don't know where any of them are in relation to the Fairgrounds. Q: Does anybody know a decent motel close to the Fairgrounds, preferably on Rt. 690; that is relatively cheap for a standard room ($50-$75/night with a check in time of 1pm) ?????? I'm planning on seeing: Screaming Trees (front and center) Rancid (maybe?) Ramones (front) Soundgarden (front and stage right) Metallica (way back) on the mainstage and... You Am I on the second stage. Hopefully the boys in YAI will answer my screams of "Where can I get a copy of your double live CD!" Q: In relation to the times of the other bands...who else should I check out on the Second Stage? I've only heard of Girls Against Boys. I've never heard of the other bands. Every Lolla I've been to had an act that was the official "Rush to the Foodcourt" Artist. In Syracuse, the special guest is the Wu Tang Clan. I think they may be this year's winner. If you don't read a review from me by Monday morning...I'm in jail. Steve ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: 7/5 Lolla Barrie, Ontario (fwd) it turns out a friend of mine was at this show, and had some interesting but sad details to add about ben at the end of the set, so i'm forwarding it here with permission. yes, he's not a fanatic, so don't flame me or him for not knowing the songs inside out and backwards. he only wrote this because i begged him to. ;-) - --caryn ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 20:59:03 -0400 (EDT) To: caryn rose Subject: Re: 7/5 Lolla Barrie, Ontario (fwd) > > at least tellme what the 'unknown song' was and make me a hero on SOMMS ;-) > I don't know the song, but here's my review. Just for you :) I don't really know Soundgarden's songs well enough to recognize all of them. I know the hits and the one's I like. I had seen SG once before opening for Pearl Jam and Neil Young on Aug 18, 1993 in Toronto. I just caught the end of their set so i can't give much more info than Chris had very short hair ;> (that was 8/18/93) At Lolla we heard them start with Spoonman so we ran over and just caught the end of that song and the rest of the set. Only a few songs were unfamiliar but I have a mind like a seive when it comes to set lists. Although the one you forwardede sounded acurate. Chirs has an AWSOME voice. I was just amazed as he pretty much hit every note without cheating to much. For "Black Hole Sun" Chris was alone on stage and just arpeggiated chords as he sang it, really good :) During the whole set (and the sets of the other acts) people amused thgemselves by hurling water bottles at the stage (mostly empty). I don't know if this was pissing off the bass player or if there were specific people in the crowd who were getting to him, but he became more and more agitated through the show. Near the end he was way out on one of the catwalk things and he kicked in a few stage lights. They remained burned out throughout Metallica's set. At the end when the band was done and saying thanks and good night, he walked over to edge of the side of the stage and started yelling at someone in the crowd (not crew or security). He then hoisted a full bottle of water over his head and it looked like he was gonna whip it at the fan, but he thought better of it and instead threw the bottle to the stage at his feet so hard that it exploded in a huge splash of water. Then he stormed off hurling obscenities. He was really *pissed* off, but I don't know why. I have never heard the song Ty Cobb before, but when Chris announced it the crowd went crazy so I paid attention. Wow. It blew me away. ------------------------------ From: Neuromute@aol.com Subject: chris/aids Flutter girl wrote: >shroom and i were talking about chris (who else?). and for those of you >wondering, we *did* discuss the music a little. now aren't you all proud of >us?? good, i knew you would be. anyway, i asked her if she could *actually* >have sex with chris, and in the process, get AIDS, would she do it? and is it >worth it? >and so i'm thinking to myself, "hmm, i'm going to post this to the list >(SORRY seth)." so guys, *ahem* GIRLS, if you could have sex with chris and >get aids in the process, would you??? >this oughta be interesting, and reply to ME, not the list!!! Now I've heard it all....ridiculous.... I don't really have a problem with the "Chris' sexy body" stuff, and I adore Shroom...but the above is pubescent idiotic crap. No "fuck" is worth AIDS, anything other than a negative answer displays a shocking lack of intelligence (I hope I am correct in guessing your answer, Shroom) Brian I got an idea of something we can do with a gun.... ------------------------------ From: overfloater@thenexus.com Subject: lolla in pownal, vt Setlist: (not in order) Flower, Rusty Cage, Outshined, Jesus Christ Pose, Searching With My Good Eye Closed, Drawing Flies, Let Me Drown, Fell On Black Days, Mailman, Black Hole Sun, Spoonman, Pretty Noose, Rhinosaur, Ty Cobb, Burden In My Hand. Ok.. well, it was yer normal Lolla pretty much (we really enjoyed Ramones and Rancid) until the special guest part. We knew it was Wu-Tang Clan playing, and not being big Wu-Tang fans, we went to sit down over by the second stage so I could rest up :) for Soundgarden. We waited while who we THOUGHT was Wu-Tang Clan setting up. I stopped to tie my shoe around seven when all of a sudden I hear the so familiar riff of Spoonman. Everyone's like "uh.. erin.." and I go "I'M TYING MY SHOE!" And then I started RUNNING for the stage. A lot of other people were running, too, because no one else expected it either :) I got very close to the stage and I got absolutely wrecked.. fell down a couple times, once in the pit during JCP - the last song - and was helped up every time :) Chris played Black Hole Sun solo, of course, and a couple of those "woo girls" (hehe) sitting on their boyfriend's shoulders flashed Chris during BHS, of course, I was quite pissed about that.. I don't know why. There's a new poll: If you saw some girls flash Chris during his solo rendition of BHS, would you be pissed? =) I also got whammed in the head with someone's arm as they were crowdsurfing (my god, EVERYONE and their goddam mother was crowdsurfing) and I thought I had a concussion :) I got close enough to see what Chris's shirt said (btw: black jeans, orange shirt), which said "Clean & Serene" on the back, I kinda dig that :) I got in the pit for JCP, which was fun.. some of the other pits that formed during Lolla were total testosterone habitats :) These jocular, bare-chested guys shoving people around.. it kinda annoyed me :) Chris said that in both the years they've done Lolla, this one was the best: "It's beautiful up here." Guess he was rreferring to the mountains :) And he threw his water bottle at the end, and Matt threw his sticks (wouldn't I love to get my hands on one of those lil souvenirs:) Well, that's all I have to say.. I wanna go see it again, now :) And I won't bother telling you they sounded great, cause you already know that :) That freaked me out though when they started playing out of the blue :) ..overfloater ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: chris and the fork can anyone recommend a good picture, preferably on the web site, where there's a good shot of chris' fork? i've recently developed a strong desire for one of my own, and since there's a local guy who makes fork jewelry (tho there's nothing in his catalogue exactly similar), i thought i'd write him and see if i could get him to make me one. hell, if enough of you wanted to get one, i bet he'd be glad to do it... his stuff is *not* expensive at all, like $12 for a fork necklace at the most. anyway... if you can advise in private mail wehre to look for a good picture of the fork... let me know. if i get a positive answer from spoonman creations (yes that is the name, and they were around before sg was!), i'll post and let interested parties know... - --caryn ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 179] ****************************************