From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 8 Jul 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 01:29:19 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Monday, 8 Jul 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: new pn vid Chris Interview new promo? interpretations of Burden... Re: PN Video/Canada Day Bash voting for SG Lollapalooza Questions-CDs & Shirts RE: down on the webside...quotes Re: Soundgarden Digest, Sunday, 7 Jul 1996 Frequently Used Lyrics birthday cards for Chris Re: birthday cards for Chris record fairs RULE!!! Extra Lyrics . . . answers / questions / comments / dirty laundry / window cleaner Boot Camp opening // Hand Of God / Voice Of God Is Gov't Re: Lollapalooza Questions-CDs & Shirts answers / questions / comments / dirty laundry / w ------------------------------------------------------------ From: jammie Subject: new pn vid i know everyone's already said everything possible bout the PN videos, but i gotta say i love the new one... It's so cool to see Alain from Eleven on the video and then see the band. When i see a video I like to see the band and not just a buncha moving pictures that confuse the hell out of me with some devil chick dancong in the background. I'm sure the director made a goos effort, but i just really prefer the new vid...just thought i'd cher :) -jammie ;) "Words and Music..Communication.." ------------------------------ From: ANGELR711@aol.com Subject: Chris Interview hey, i was wondering if anyone who has the magazine Jack Hammer could possibly send it to me cuz i don't have that in my area. i'll pay so don't worry, but i \f anyone could be so kind as to do me a favor.....Just mail me privately. thanx. : ) also, the song Chrisi. did they ever put that ona B-side or what?? ------Rima ------------------------------ From: Outshined@aol.com Subject: new promo? >> - - For a limited time in Canada, with the purchase of your McDonald's >> "Happy Meal"...receive a limited edition Soundgarden Cup for only 39 >> cents! Each cup features the members of Soundgarden in various Rock >> Star poses. Collect all four! wow, cool!! can I bring one of these cups to any Lollapalooza or Blind Date concerts and have it filled with free beer?!? I mean, I don't actually care about the music or anything, just the beer, because Soundgarden obviously intended their new album to be a beer commercial soundtrack, and nothing more. yep... I'm a changed fan cuz of that "commercial"... dripping with sarcasm, Outshined ------------------------------ From: Outshined@aol.com Subject: interpretations of Burden... Burden seems to be about a ruined relationship... a guy that's totally in love with a woman who ends up driving him crazy (i.e. cheats on him, won't have a relationship with him, whatever)... take the lines, "there she goes, out in the sunshine, the sun is mine, the sun is mine..." I thought this meant that he had everything he wants (even the sunshine she walks in), except for this girl he loves, so he just sits and watches her, because she isn't connected to him in any way... the next parts, "I left her in the sand, just a burden in my hand", "I shot my love today, would you cry for me", etc. can be taken (I think) in two different ways... a. the situation drives him so crazy that he kills her, which means that all the song's lyrics are taken literally (like he really shot her and/or left her in the desert) b. he gets over her... the lines "I shot my love today..." and "I left her in the sand..." don't have to be taken literally, it could mean that he just buried his fellings for her... "shot my love" could just mean that he mentally pictures her as gone... since there's no way for him to ever get her, he figures she might as well be dead... as for lines like, "follow me into the desert..." well, deserts aren't known for having a lot of life in them, they're pretty much desolate... maybe that's what he feels like inside... other line interpretations... "...cut your mouth and drown in alcohol" : some people drink when they're depressed, so... "...and bow your head, I need a liitle sympathy" : he can't figure out why she doesn't love him, wants to know the answer... "kill your health and kill yourself and kill everything you love" : since he can't be happy, he thinks that no one else should be, either... "...if you live you can fall to pieces and suffer with my ghost" : I think this means he's wishing everyone else's relationships will fail, and his ghost will haunt them when it happens... the ghost would be saying, "see, you ended up just like me, hahahaha, you suck, etc." "just an anchor on my heart, just a tumor in my head..." : something that torments him every day that he can't get rid of... so that's my take on Burden... yeah, it's a little long and probably way overanalyzes it, but it's one of my favorite songs... my $0.53, Outshined ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: PN Video/Canada Day Bash Yeah there was one on MuchMusic today. I just watched it. It was actually pretty pathetic. It would have been cool if a decent VJ had interviewed them. Geoff On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, stella wrote: > Hey there was a Lolla Past Present and Future thing on MTV tonight. > Anyone see it? It has some interviews with Chris and Kim. But it was > mostly about Perry Ferril > > Anyways, is this what you're talkinga bout? The Lolla special? Or is > there another one that's gonna be on? > stella > > > > > > PN was at number 7 this week, if I am not on drugs. And there is a Lolla > > special this sunday at high noon central. > > Geoff > > > > > > Visit the Stupid Poem Library! > srogers@fix.net > http://www.fix.net/~srogers > "Not only is life a bitch, but its always having puppies" > ------------------------------ Subject: voting for SG From: seth "Pretty Noose" is on the Internet Charts. You can vote at http://www.xs4all.nl/~jojo seth ------------------------------ From: ssssp@ix.netcom.com (S. Mohanty) Subject: Lollapalooza Questions-CDs & Shirts I'm going to the Lolla in Charlestown, West VA on the 16th and heard hat that under one of the tents they're selling almost every SG CD ever released including the singles. Did anyone see any BMF CD singles like Rusty Cage, Jesus Christ Pose, or Outshined? Or were there only singles from Superunknown available there? I have all the superunknown singles and most of the BMF b-sides on cassette, but I just want to get my hands on the BMF ones for collecting purposes. Someone also said something about the ltd. edition BMF wooden box was there. If anyone knows the price, please let me know. It probably couldn't be less than $85.00 (that's how much CD Europe listing says!) Another question about Lolla that I have is about the t-shirts. The official web site they showed pictures of the festival tour shirts and man do they look really shitty! The designs range from butterflies to hearts and that ringmaster mascot guy. Do they sell any seperate SG tour T-shirts there and much did they cost? Thanks and everyone on the list who's going to Charlestown on the 16th...see ya there!! - -Siva ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: RE: down on the webside...quotes Seth wrote: >>if the people have spoken, i shall answer. >>carolyn, are you still maintainer of the list of quotes? if so, kindly send it along and i will add them to the page asap. Ages and ages ago I did do a long posting to the list of some quotes I = had kept that I thought were funny/interesting/thought-provoking, yes. = I'll dig it up and send it along to you within the next few days, if I = can. And I do keep many postings - will go through them again and send you = what I think is worthwhile. BUT..............this will only be done after I recover from my = hangover, and catch up on some badly-needed sleep, after what has been a = massive weekend for me! :-) Keep smiling all, Carolyn the Maintainer of Funny quotes I'm thinking and I'm thinking until there's nothin' I ain't thunk, Breathing in the stink until finally I stunk.........Violent Femmes ------------------------------ From: ANGELR711@aol.com Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Sunday, 7 Jul 1996 In a message dated 96-07-07 02:15:22 EDT, you write: > Re: Fresh Tendril > new additions well, it also seems that they many references to cages, as well as celestial shit, like the sun, the moon, the sky..that sort of thing...: ) ------------------------------ From: LeMoN JeLLo Subject: Frequently Used Lyrics You guys forgot black and dogs. They use those a lot in their songs too. Seth--I have lots of SG articles from Hit Parader, 2 from Rolling Stone, and one with Kim and Chris in Guitar World. They are mostly from 1994-1995. If you want them for the page, just tell me which ones and I'll type them up for you. Bye Bye, lemonjello ------------------------------ From: j_crocke@unity.ncsu.edu Subject: birthday cards for Chris ok, i'm going to the July 20th lolla date in Rockingham, NC. That day is Chris's birthday, so if you people want to mail me a bunch of birthday cards, i'll TRY to get them to him that day. I think this would be a very cool thing to do for his birthday. and be creative. Shroom, this sounds like something you could go for, "i got an idea, of something we could do with a [gun]". so, i guess i'll go ahead and post my address as well. Please, no packages, just cards. oh yeah, if you do send a card, print your name and email address in it, and sign it of course! jeremy crocker [address deleted. -seth] jerm ------------------------------ Subject: Re: birthday cards for Chris From: seth > ok, i'm going to the July 20th lolla date in Rockingham, NC. That day is > Chris's birthday, so if you people want to mail me a bunch of birthday > cards, i'll TRY to get them to him that day. I think this would be a very > cool thing to do for his birthday. we'll also be celebrating chris' birthday on the unofficial website... i'll probably have the necessary pages together and available on july 19th (by my calendar here in massachusetts). seth ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: record fairs RULE!!! well friends, i just had the most AWESOME morning at the record fair! despite having to get up at 8:30 am on a SUNDAY... and my chronic insomnia making it so that i didn't get to sleep until well after 3am... it was well worth my time. at first glance around the room i saw nothing, the same old tired dealers with the same old tired stuff. but then a few things started to catch my eye... like the guy with the Mother Love Bone poster displayed behind his table. he wsa selling posters. i waited semi-patiently for this woman (who ended up buying a Brad poster and some weird public enemy poster) to finish looking, and then i started to look. and hit what i consider the motherlode of the day: an AWESOME original poster for SG at the vogue in 1991! 'back when about 7 people would go to see them', said the guy selling the poster. ;-) it's got that weird multi-armed indian goddess (durga, i think) that's on the 93 winter tour shirts... (yes seth i will take it to work this week and scan it... you DEFINITELY don't have this one unless matt gave it to you himself!) got some other cool silkscreen stuff... afghan whigs and henry rollins. then i went down a few tables and saw a guy with some other sg stuff... rusty cage cd single...and then It caught my eye. i never would have even paid attention to it if i hadn't found out yesterday what it looked like.... yes, ladies and gentlemen... i now own the "Louder than Live" CD!!!! original packaging... all for only $25!!! that and two neil young double albums for $5 rounded out my day.... oh, also got the rolling stone with sg on the cover (i wasn't even here at the time i don't think)... chris grabbed that one yesterday out from under me at the other record store (grrr ;-) ). [interesting anecdote: when i got home and was admiring the magazine cover, i took a look at the label and saw a name that was kinda-sorta familiar with... pulled out a cd to double check... it originally belonged to the guitarist for 7 year bitch! weird or what?!] then we took some friends up to magnusson park to see the soundgarden sculpture and get some sun and play some frisbee... all the while discussing alternate SOMMS shirts {we're going to draw these and put them up somewhere if for no other reason than serious comic value}... anyway, so we get to the gate to the NOAA property where the sculpture is, chris shows them the map, and andy goes, "so what is this sculpture REALLY called?" (silence, while we wait for the penny to drop) "um, the soundgarden, andy?" "oh... i thought it was called the magnusson park windchimes or something like that" "well, then the name of the band would be 'the magnusson park wind chime band', now wouldn't it???!" [alternate shirt design: picture of the sg sculpture on front, with "the magnusson park wind chime band' on the front, somms@mit.edu on the back] anyway... just thought i'd share. ;-) xxoo - --caryn ------------------------------ From: The Guitarist-2001 Subject: Extra Lyrics . . . I was noticing that in some cases not all the lyrics to the songs on DOTU are in the booklet-thingy . . . this is probably a long-dead topic, but since they're not on the page either, I thought I'd see . . . does anyone know the 3rd verse of Burden in My Hand? Or what that little background voice is saying at the beginning of Boot Camp? hmmm . . . The Guitarist-2001 "I've been deaf Now I want noise" - Loud Love, Soundgarden, Louder Than Love ------------------------------ From: UnknMan@aol.com Subject: answers / questions / comments / dirty laundry / window cleaner caryn: I _think_ that the correct title for that sculpture that the band was named after in Magnusson Park is 'The Sound Garden' & not 'The Soundgarden' but then again... I've never been to Magnusson Park, or Seattle, or Washington state or anywhere in the Northwest US for the matter. Chris (I think you mentioned this): Was that copy of Bmf on 'gold' vinyl or more of a yellow? I had a yellow (more yellow than gold) pressing back a few years ago but it was over-played & ended up getting a hole one day after several playings of Room A 1000 Years Wide right in the opening bars when Cornell lets out his yell. This also wiped-out a good deal of Outshined (a bubble formed on side a). Anyway... do I have a point? General question: For those with the RaTYW / HIV Baby Sub Pop single: I know that Room is an alternate version but is HIV Baby different than the cut on Born To Choose? I've always been really annoyed by the version on the compilation & I'm wondering if hunting down the 7" (or is it a 45?) will be worth it. Well.. I love RaTYW so a different studio version of that song would be worth it (c: Oh, & something that was mentioned once that was never answered but I still wonder about: HIV Baby from Born To Choose says that Hiro played bass, yet Ben wrote it. I see it possible that Hiro joined the band to do the bass line for this track but sorta odd. Does anyone out there know this minor mystery? Sorry to bother everyone on what seemed to be a SLOW week message-wise. I guess ya'll were vacationing, watching / firing fireworks (US folks), eating greasy food (again those nutty US kids), attending record fairs (caryn & Chris), dancing all over various Lollapalooza venues (thanks to all the 'field reporters'), studying linear notes (Mayor), staring at pictures of Soundgarden band members (several people & this number seems to be growing daily now), collecting amusing quotes (Carolyn), translating SOMMS digests / messages (all the non-speaking listers), watching Independence Day (it set a new weekday premiere record in the US... also a good movie - an emotional film believe it or not), working / studying (me), analyzing Burden down to the punctuation (Outshined (c: ), and maintaining the finest rock band related mailing list & website that I've laid eyes on (mr. seth). btw: The Texas Rangers have been in first for the entire season basically so far (baseball... neat sport for all those that don't know much about it)... with half a season left we can only pray that they stay in first and fend off the evil Mariners of Seattle and their goofy Moose on the push scooter. (c: hot headed all the time, ray (c: ------------------------------ From: UnknMan@aol.com Subject: Boot Camp opening // Hand Of God / Voice Of God Is Gov't >Or what that little background >voice is saying at the beginning of Boot Camp? hmmm . . . Ah... this reminds me... One night when I was lying in bed trying to fall asleep I flipped on the disc player & played Boot Camp & I heard some of what the background speech was. Where someone heard Michael Jackson I heard words like inflation, decrease taxes, 500 dollars (which someone mentioned) and other economic related jargon. This has made me think this song has a much deeper meaning than peering back at our childhoods or searching for Utopia... this may have political connotations since the monologue seems to (at least that's what I'm hearing). The weird this is that I can't really hear much more of what the speaker is saying anymore... I got lucky once (c: I wonder if Soundgarden stole the idea of Hand Of God from Bad Religion & their song Voice Of God Is Government (from their first full-length lp How Could Hell Be Any Worse) in which Graffin preaches much as the HoG monologue. Um... if anyone has this record (which I believe was re-released on lp / cassette / cd a few years back from Epitaph) give me your thoughts. damned to be free, ray (c: ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: Lollapalooza Questions-CDs & Shirts At 02:18 PM 7/7/96 -0700, S. Mohanty wrote: >I'm going to the Lolla in Charlestown, West VA on the 16th and heard >hat that under one of the tents they're selling almost every SG CD ever >released including the singles. Did anyone see any BMF CD singles like >Rusty Cage, Jesus Christ Pose, or Outshined? oh god... i saw all of those today at the record fair... prices $4 to $9... and rejected them all (except rusty cage because i like the [hot] photo of chris on the cover {HI SHROOMIE!!!} and just a thought... do you REALLY want to be carrying cd's around with you all day at lolla... into a mosh pit even?? >hearts and that ringmaster mascot guy. Do they sell any seperate SG >tour T-shirts there and much did they cost? fyi, the shirts they sold at the showbox were $20. i'd be curious to hear what the lolla markup was... there were two shirts, black one and a white one... grote? ben? anyone? - --caryn ------------------------------ From: overfloater@thenexus.com Subject: answers / questions / comments / dirty laundry / w UN>General question: UN>For those with the RaTYW / HIV Baby Sub Pop single: UN>I know that Room is an alternate version but is HIV Baby different than the UN>cut on Born To Choose? I've always been really annoyed by the version on th UN>compilation & I'm wondering if hunting down the 7" (or is it a 45?) will be UN>worth it. Well.. I love RaTYW so a different studio version of that song UN>would be worth it (c: it sounds the same as the one on born to choose to me.. and room a thousand years wide on the single kinda reminds me of the way the birth ritual demo sounds.. i dunno.. maybe i just crazy :) UN>Oh, & something that was mentioned once that was never answered but I still UN>wonder about: UN>HIV Baby from Born To Choose says that Hiro played bass, yet Ben wrote it. UN>see it possible that Hiro joined the band to do the bass line for this track UN>but sorta odd. Does anyone out there know this minor mystery? i figure it was a typo.. UN>Sorry to bother everyone on what seemed to be a SLOW week message-wise. I yer not bothering me, im bored as hell :) ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 177] ****************************************