From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 5 Jul 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 02:35:09 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Friday, 5 Jul 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: shroom and de niro Re: shroom and de niro more lolla talk... Burden In My Hand moshin' I moved! new quote of the week! soundgarden has nothing better to do with their time..... STuFF moshing...then and now.. What to do in Maine Re: When Is SG gonna go on tour? SG in the mailing list flower/spoonman ohio lolla report..FLOWER!! ------------------------------------------------------------ From: BTimLake@aol.com Subject: shroom and de niro >Don't get >me wrong... I love the guy to death (psycho comment). But he's also full of >shit (at least on this subject). Shroom, there's this movie that you probably ought to see. I've seen previews for it coming out later this summer and have heard a little about it. It stars robert de niro as a crazed fan after superstar wesley snipes. I'm not sure if it would be more of an educational or inspirational film for you ;) p.s. I'm pretty sure the actual infatuation in the movie has little to do with wesley's "sexy body." -- Ben Ben Timberlake "My friends are lying in the Northwestern University sun, I wish that I was them." Medill School of Journalism -- Summer '68, Pink Floyd btimlake@aol.com -30- *Check out _my_ web page!*-->http://pubweb.acns.nwu.edu/~bft718 "They say if you look hard / You'll find your way back home Born without a friend / And bound to die alone." -- Chris Cornell, "Zero Chance" ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: shroom and de niro Ben Timberlake wrote: >Shroom, there's this movie that you probably ought to see. >I'm not sure if it would be more of an educational or inspirational film >for you ;) Heheheh... someday you people are going to turn on your televisions and see me on Hard Copy. Or else Ricki Lake. "Live from prison... it's convicted stalker, Shroom girl!!" Naaaah... I'm too slick to get caught!! ;) :::Waving enthusiastically to everyone at Silver Mgmt::: Shroom "Hey!! You're that Shroom girl, aren't you?!?!? How'd you get in my room? SUSAN, HELP ME!!! Oh wait, I forgot... she's out of town on business!! What are you doing with those handcuffs, Shroom?!? What's with the whipped cream??!? Oh my God... CALL THE POLICE!!!!!!!" ~ Chris Cornell (Words not necessarily said in that order...) <~~~ my disclaimer ------------------------------ From: jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu (grote) Subject: more lolla talk... > >>the crowd sucks. it's the most testosterone pumped pack of=20 > hootie-lovin', "WOOO!"-screamin', flesh-barin', trash-throwin',=20 > death-moshin', bhs/spoonman-singin' dolts that i've ever seen in my = > life.=20 > (HEY CAROLYN...AM I IN THE RUNNING FOR QUOTE OF THE WEEK!?!?!? :) ) > > Oh most definitely, Grote my man!! :-) We are into a new week now, and = > of the 100-odd messages I've just read in the last hour or so that quote = > wins the prize........... (flexing) GRRRRROOOOOWWWLLLL!!! YEEEESS!!! I rule! I feel like moshin' somebody into a pulp! Where's the nearest Lollapalooza!?!?!?! :) > Btw, sorry the crowds have not been good for your Lolla concerts. Ben = > especially sounded so glum. he appeared to be having a good time until the end of the show when those stoopid pizza plates started flying...then ben resorted to spitting at the plates and the crowd, scowling and finally flipping off the crowd twice before leaving the stage at the end of the show...i just wanted to scream to that damn mosh pit "NOW LOOK! SEE WHAT YOU'VE DONE!!! YOU MADE BEN CRY!!! NOW I HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY! GO TO YOUR ROOMS!!!" :) > Come live in Australia! The crowd at the = > Big Day Out concert I was at in February was really cool. Everyone had = > a ball, some crowd-surfed, most didn't, no one was hurt, we all danced = > along and had big smiles on our faces..............what more could you = > want? sounds good to me...god, i wish shows were more like that here... > >>......to catch the end of ben folds five's set (A MUST=20 > SEE! these guys are fantastic...whodathunk? a baby grand piano at=20 > lollapalooza!?!?!?), and was running back and forth to catch you am i=20 > as well (also good...CAROLYN!!! haven't i heard you speak highly of=20 > these guys before???) > > No, you got me wrong there. I've heard two of their songs - don't mind = > them, but don't know that I could listen to a whole album of theirs. I = > do like the fact that there aren't five members in the band, and that = > they're rather unique having no guitarist......... sorry for being so unclear, carolyn, but if you look back in my preceding paragraph you'll see that i was TRYING to refer to you am i when i was asking if you spoke highly of "them." since you mentioned you am i later in this post, i'll assume that you do like them and i'll take that as an endorsement... :) btw, i thought you am i were great... > In Australia we couldn't take in water either - but food? umbrellas? = > backpacks? What do they think you guys are gonna do in there?! stab each other with umbrellas, sell food at a significant price-gouging profit and club everyone with heavy backpacks, of course! at least, that's what i would have done if i could have gotten that stuff in... >;-> > >>i've rambled far too long...let me know if you have any more=20 > lolla questions, anybody... > > Yeah, I do - remember I asked for how many bands play at Lolla? And how = > long does each concert go for? And how many stages there are playing at = > once? Can someone please tell me.............I'm curious! Seven on main stage, five on second stage and four on third stage (i think, but i'm pretty sure it varies). All three stages are going at once near the beginning/middle of the festival, then main stage is given the limelight during the end. on the main stage, each set got progressively longer as you moved up the bill...psychotica and screaming trees played at the beginning and they got 35-50 minutes, and by the time you got to the top two, sg was alloted just over an hour and metallica's set was about an hour and a half. the other stages had 45-minute sets, if i'm not mistaken. (oh yes...the ramones didn't use all of their time---no surprise to ramones fans who've grown to love their two-minute songs...they blitzed through 20 songs in just under 40 minutes!!!) > And has anyone managed to see Australian band You Am I yet? If so, give = > us a quick review please! like i said above...good band. very tight, mature, fun to listen to. > What about Metallica? Sorry I know a lot of = > you don't like them, but a lot of us do - and other than hearing about = > the poor behaviour of their fans I've not heard anything about how the = > band performed...... metallica is an extraordinarily talented band...i'm not a huge fan of their music, but as a musician and tune junkie i have to admit that they are extremely tight, powerful, and nobody does that kind of music better. they played a good set...LOUD! i've seen them in concert before, and they never fail to impress... > And Rancid - any good? (Ben mentioned he liked = > them). I've seen them before and was very impressed with their energy - = > go see them if you can. sorry, carolyn, but i absolutely despise rancid. they sounded terrible at lolla...tinny, unorchestrated noise and grunting. this is the second time i've seen them and they were even worse this time. eeech. > Carolyn the Mysterious & Foxy > I used to be happy, I used to be.....Violent Femmes that reminds me...the femmes are scheduled to be the special lolla guest at some of the shows this year...WAYLON JENNINGS was the guest at des moines, and while he played a respectable set, it was hardly fantastic stuff. i've seen the femmes before and there really is no describing or pigeonholing this band...they are absolutely fantastic and i love 'em. made me boogie 'til i fell over... :) later... - -- ######################################################################## # GROTE!!!!! "I don't remember half the time # # If I'm hiding or I'm lost # # jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu But I'm on my way....." -Chris Cornell # ######################################################################## ------------------------------ From: LeMoN JeLLo Subject: Burden In My Hand On Seth's page, there is sound clips with the band talking about the song Burden In My Hand---My computer wont load it and I would really like to know what the meaning of the song is or whatever Chris has to say about it. So if anyone has heard it, I would appreciate it if they could tell me about it. Thanks, LeMoN_JeLLo ------------------------------ From: jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu (grote) Subject: moshin' > caryn wrote: > moshing was the response of people who were immensely moved by the > music. it was an intense physical response. but like mark talked about > in his first post (and i'm sorry mark, like vikki, i also didn't > understand you were being sarcastic). i used to go in mosh pits for > bands like black flag and the dead kennedys and the ramones, and i never > saw anyone get hurt. > > a mosh pit used to be right about where they tend to form now: a few rows > back from the front. however, you NEVER fucked with the people who were > in the front rows. they earned that space and were entitled to it, and > shouldn't have to suffer because you like to bounce around. [not the case > now] > > there were very serious 'rules' then... (and still are at real punk shows > today).... if someone fell down you picked them up, if someone hit you > too hard you told them, you didn't just punch their lights out, and if it > was clear that someone was there to cause trouble, you didn't respond, > you stopped the pit and got security to get the guy out. > > you were aware of your neighbors at all times and tried to be considerate > of their right to enjoy the music in their own personal way. and i know > that sounds deadhead-like, which is contrary to punk in a way, it was > really like that. good points, caryn... the best example i can think of all this is a fugazi show i attended a couple of years ago... (background: fugazi is one of my favorite bands in the universe--punk/hardcore at it's finest, and more musical integrity than you will find anywhere in the music industry today. they have a gigantic cult following, yet remain on their frontman's "dischord" record label and only play shows in low-overhead venues like rollerrinks and dancehalls [in lincoln they played in a horse show arena with a $5 cover]...fugazi has been at it for several years, and before that, a few of the members were involved in other legendary hardcore outfits [minor threat, anyone???] bottom line...these people are indie legends, and are good at what they do.) ANYWAY...at the fugazi show i attended, the first thing their frontman (IAN!!!!) said was that the band was "very pleased to be with you tonight," and that everyone was to "be careful and have a good time." now there was an extremely mixed crowd...from 10 yrs old to 40+, and everyone was pretty well spread out because it was a big arena. during the first song, a pit breaks out towards the front and the inevitable pushing to the front begins. after the first song, ian grabs the mic, points to the pit-folks and says "did you people not listen to me? if you're going to do that, go way in the back. i don't want to see any pushing here, or someone is going to get chopped in half against this cheap stage. oh, and please don't ride on top of the crowd with your big boots. please don't bump people and kick people in the face. thank you." needless to say, that left a considerable impact. here's this guy who is considered superman in the hardcore/indie scene, telling people NOT to mosh!!! i heard kids grumbling that it was lame, but CARYN...you're absolutely right. that's the way it used to be. true "punk" shows were fun...there were always relatively small crowds and you knew that everyone in attendance was there because they loved the band...not because they were looking for a "mosh outlet." like soundgarden, fugazi is one of the most aggressive, in-your-face bands on the face of the planet; but they also happen to have incredible musical talents, and they want people to appreciate the music first and foremost. for what it's worth, fugazi played a fantastic set to a considerably tamed crowd...they only had to make one other reminder of "please, stop pushing" during the rest of the evening...i can't help but wonder what would happen if more bands today would take this attitude at their live shows...could the mtv myth of "mosh 4-ever!!!" be dispelled eventually? who knows...but i think it could be worth a try... matt? are you listening? :) later... - -- ######################################################################## # GROTE!!!!! "I don't remember half the time # # If I'm hiding or I'm lost # # jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu But I'm on my way....." -Chris Cornell # ######################################################################## ------------------------------ From: Jessblndi@aol.com Subject: I moved! Hi everyone! This is Jessica (Cornell), my address is no longer PJ9718. That was my dads address and he was getting mad recieving tons of mail for me. So my new address is JESSBLNDI. Anyways, I hope everyone has a fun Fourth of July cranking the Soundgarden albums the loudest they can. Hell, I'm going to set my fireworks up so they will say in the air "Chris is a God!", just kidding. Actually it might get some news coverage if I do that, only joking! Hey, I have a question. Does Chris really write back at the end of some peoples messages(especially shrooms)? Does the guys really read this stuff? I swear to god if Chris Cornell actually was to write back to me, anything, I would cream my panties! Sorry, that's probably a bit more info than you needed! We'll I'm going to go drink and party on this INDEPENDENCE DAY!!!! - -Jessica Cornell :) ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: new quote of the week! At 10:13 AM 7/4/96 -0500, grote wrote: >>he appeared to be having a good time until the end of the show when >those stoopid pizza plates started flying...then ben resorted to >spitting at the plates and the crowd, scowling and finally flipping >off the crowd twice before leaving the stage at the end of the >show...i just wanted to scream to that damn mosh pit "NOW LOOK! SEE >WHAT YOU'VE DONE!!! YOU MADE BEN CRY!!! NOW I HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY! GO TO >YOUR ROOMS!!!" :) LOL!!! ;-) i nominate the above for quote of the week. anyone second? and i think seth should start putting the good quotes somewhere on the web page. ;-) - --caryn ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: soundgarden has nothing better to do with their time..... At 02:07 PM 7/4/96 -0400, Jessblndi@aol.com wrote: >only joking! Hey, I have a question. Does Chris really write back at the >end of some peoples messages(especially shrooms)? Does the guys really read >this stuff? I swear to god if Chris Cornell actually was to write back to >me, anything, I would cream my panties! 1) this list has NOTHING to do with America Online. therefore, the AOL "police" can't do a fucking thing about it. 2) yes, chris writes back at the end of shroom's messages all the time. he also writes back on the ends of carolyn's, ben timberlake's, seth's (when he writes, which isn't often) and especially jerm's, but all those people take their messages out because they don't like to share with the rest of us. i think grote told me he gets mail from ben, but i'm not sure. and i know that matt writes to vikki and dena.... - --caryn ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: STuFF >Hey, I have a question. Does Chris really write back at the >end of some peoples messages(especially shrooms)? Ummm... yah!! See, me and Chris are buddies. We've VERY close. We always talk on the phone until the wee hours of the morning, and he's constantly saying all this great stuff to me, so I just HAVE to quote him in my posts. Can you blame me? ;) I'll tell Chris you asked about him... Heheheh... >Does the guys really read this stuff? Matt checks out the digests on the web page once in a while. Heheheh... he read enough of 'em to know that I'm deranged. Or MAYBE YOU TOLD HIM, huh Seth? ;) Just kidding. You know I love you, Sethmeister. ;) Shroom "Damn, but that Shroom girl is one sexy babe!!" ~ Chris Cornell (Words not necessarily said in that order...) <~~~ my disclaimer ------------------------------ From: sean@ramoth.unl.edu (Sean McCarthy) Subject: moshing...then and now.. Hey All- Sorry I haven't posted for a while...its just that except for general ravings about the new album, I haven't had a thing to say. I'm listening to the MINUTEMEN right now, "Double Nickels on the Dime", some of the best lyrics ever put onto disc. A couple songs got me thinking about how cool it would have been to see these guys live. Which takes us back to 1985-1990 period of music. Underground groups and fans were lauging at chirpies like myself who purchased the "Top Gun" soundtrack and were anxiously awaiting Bon Jovi's new album. Crowd sufing was crowd surfing. It was a collective effort to keep the person afloat. Kurt Cobain was a religious participator, and unfortunately had to quit when the underground became not so underground anymore. Unfortanately anymore, I don't see how moshing can be put into concerts. There's always going to be punk ass frat boys who go there just to kick the shit out of others. A good part may come when the 'others' gang up on frat punks and other drunk assholes and retaliate and kick the shit out of them :) Times change, and bands like Soundgarden/Pearl Jam even the Butthole Surfers must adapt to some extent. No longer can great groups like these assume that whomever is at their concerts are there to see a great band play. The only way this can change is with time. Someday, another form of music that will hopefully move college music back into the college circuit. I'm just hoping its a form of music that I totally hate :) God, it must have been a great time in 87-88, seeing Husker Du or the Replacements play at a club while the uninformed masses were waiting like lemmings for the next set of tickets to be given out for the Motley Crue concert :) Laters Peace Sean ------------------------------ From: BPQS05A@prodigy.com (CGOOD CAROLE L GOODMAN) Subject: What to do in Maine Alright my turn to bitch. I want to go to lolla but in order for that to happen I must go to Syracuse -- I live in Maine. I either must drive there w/a cracked wheel baring or pay $119 for the lollapalooza express, which is a bus the goes there w/the ticket price included. I am not going to risk my life in my car or fork over that much cash I busted my ass to earn for one day of pleasure. Why doesn't anyone come to Maine? We get horde and a Love and Rockets etc. concert sponsored by the Maine Democratic Society. Is it any wonder why this country is so damn liberal? Oh well, another day another dollar. SG must be put on the back burner for the mean time. I do have priorities. IVI ------------------------------ From: "Greg Dunbar" Subject: Re: When Is SG gonna go on tour? I think that Eli\Avi Sharon or The 'A' Man, was well entitled to pose his question on a Down On The Upside tour. Sure, they are playing at lollapalooza (or whatever), but Chris admitted that they wouldn't play at a lolla, and they were basically playing at a Metallica gig. From the sounds of it, the concerts where Soundgarden are playing independantly, the crowds are way better and everyone has a better time; so I think that a Soundgarden tour is different to them playing at Lollapalooza. Anyway, I'm just shitty that I'm in Australia and can't see Soundgarden yet. And to see them & Metallica playing at the same venue on the same day (you US people are sooo lucky.) BTW how the hell could you leave the place when Metallica hit the stage? You could at least watch from the back and not have to get creamed by some mad freak. I'm sorry that Metallica fans have got themselves such a bad name. Metallica themselves are cool guys and there's no way that they would be proud of the behaviour of some of their fans. - ------------------------------------------------------------- Loosely or tightly Everything Fits Even The Wrist On Your Arm - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ GD - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ From: LeMoN JeLLo Subject: SG in the mailing list Do the guys in SG really come and look on the mailing list or are you guys just joking around? By the way, Shroom, thanks for the picture---it was quite the highlight of my Independence Day. My great server wouldn't permit me to email you back. Bye bye, LeMMy ------------------------------ From: Sugarcoma Subject: flower/spoonman i'm feeling very special, i just got the flower and spoonman singles aren't you all so proud? anyway... i love cold bitch!!! anyway... back to my listening =) Justine "hold you close like we both died my ever pressing suicide my stupid fuck my blushing bride oh tear my heart out tear my heart out." ------------------------------ From: HQXH39C@prodigy.com (MR SEAN M MCELENY) Subject: ohio lolla report..FLOWER!! i just got back for my trip to Columbus to see Soundgarden for the first time at Buckeye lake in Ohio. I live near Dc in Virginia and i drove 8 hours yesterday to get there on 6 hours sleep running on caffine and ginsing. anyway to make a long story short i wernt alone but had a great time. I danced around during most of the Ramones set, they were suprisingly awesome, i heard they werent but i had a vball, chriss and ben were watching from the left side of the stage during their set and i was on the right and when i saw them i was jumping up and down yelling their names. so i got towards the calm section of ther pit after the ramnes were over( like someon on the list recomended) and it took awhile for sg to get on stage but when they did i and the entire crowd went crazy. the crowd grew fronm the size of it during the ramones and Chris waved and they went right into Spoonman. i was fairly close and this was such a rush , ive heard spoonman on bootlegs but it didnt sound half as good as in person. THen it was right into Searching with my good eye closed , towards the end chris said something alik"bore,bore as in pig , you guys are bore" i thought he was saying whore".they played Let Me Drown next and the crowd was still into it i was jumping up and down screaming the lyrics, it was so great. then chrios took off his guitar and i heard the opening notes of flower! they paused for a second but went right back into it and i was so fucking happy!total fucking godhead!, it was good version too and only me and maybe 10 other people who were jumping up and down knew it. then pretty noose and burden in my hand were met with applause and moshing and people singing the words, ty coob was the big drunk mosh fest in the pit but it was a good version. the crowd really cheered during fell on Black Days next , the crowd was good and it looked like Chris enjoyed it , Ben was being Ben at some parts yet pissed and annoyed at other , Kim looked annoyed and sarcastic during the entire set. then rusty cage and waiting for the sun. Chris played Black hole sun solo and people were crowd surfing, i didnt understand it. then outshined was really good and rhinosaur was okay , it wasnt as good as on the album but the solo was good. Drawing flies was cool and the played one of my favorite songs, No Attention , last , i told someone that i was going to go crazy if the played it and i did. i crowd surf for a half minute before i was dropped but i got right back up and danced some more.at the end kim walked acrossed the stage with his head back and a beer bottle in his mouth and of course the crowd cheered. the ramones rule and the screeaming trees st improved as it went on , the lead guitarist is so damn cool( is it GAry o connor?) . I'll try not to write so much for the next 2 lolla i attend this summer. seananannannanannannana ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 174] ****************************************