From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 4 Jul 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Thu, 04 Jul 1996 02:29:07 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Thursday, 4 Jul 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 3 Jul 1996 Re: Inconsistencies Fresh Deadly Rarities Commercialism in the Garden BEWARE: Chris sexy body post!! Mark and moshing. Re: Inconsistencies Re: PN videos Re: Commercialism in the Garden Wow, no more moshing stuff from me! Re: Wow, no more moshing stuff from me! Re: Wow, no more moshing stuff from me! When Is SG gonna go on tour? Moshing stuff Lollapolusa bleh... Re: When Is SG gonna go on tour? Re: What I forgot to say on moshing and Soundgarden Re: What I forgot to say on moshing and Soundgarden lolla at irvine 8/4 help Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 2 Jul 1996 indianapolis Acoustic Burden in my hand??? Re: BLOW UP THE OUTSIDE WORLD Shroom, you've got a new friend! Video stuff..... ??? Hello, I'm a newcomer.... (Fwd) Re: Inconsistencies Re: When Is SG gonna go on tour? LATEST LOLLA DATES! (read this!) Re: Inconsistencies RE: serious lunatics M.O.M. compilation RE: lolla crowd advice...quotes of the week...ben folds five WAHOO!!! ------------------------------------------------------------ From: JASNL@aol.com Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 3 Jul 1996 Hello... Damn, I hope this works, 'cuz I'm new to this AOL thing... I'd like to reply to 'Shroom (if that is your real name) -- I agree that Chris is being a bit hypocritical with the shirt off thing, etc. If you're a rock 'n' roller, people of the opposite (and sometime same) sex will love you no matter what because it's partially hero worship and admiration and emotion and all those things...so no matter what he does it won't matter because he's evoking emotion and passion in us all through the music. So there's nothing he can do to stop us from being obsessed. Putting his shirt on will not make a bit o' difference. BTW, did you catch the part in the "Louder Than Live" video where CC is practically DOING the bass player?!!! Please check it out for your own good. (I hope this doesn't get censored by the AOL police.) Bye bye now. ------------------------------ From: Greg Bensimon Subject: Re: Inconsistencies It seems to me that this may just be a matter of getting a little older and a little more mature. I'm sure that most people (especially those in the 20-30 year old range) can think of a few things they did five years ago that they would never do now, for whatever reason. Why should Chris be any different? I don't think it's necessarily about hypocracy or what's not real. I think it more likely that he's always "been true" to himself. It's just his outlook that's changed. My $0.02 Greg In Monday's digest Shroom said: > Chris Cornell is SO full of shit. He doesn't want people focusing in on > his good looks, but yet he totally threw it in our faces up until a couple > years ago. Can we say hypocrite? [snip] On Tue, 2 Jul 1996 oponfam@cnsnet.com wrote: > I've really been doing alot of thinking about this kind of stuff, the > changes between early SG behavior and current SG behavior and I've > developed a theory. In earlier posts I've talked about how maybe now > that they can afford it the things they are doing are the REAL > Soundgarden. It follows, unfortunately, that if that is true then some > of the earlier stuff must have been an act to some extent. [snip] ------------------------------ From: DKAASC@tevm2.nsc.com Subject: Fresh Deadly Rarities FROM: Kazam Ali Personal Computer/Network Specialist National Semiconductor-Computer and Network Support SUBJECT: Fresh Deadly Rarities Marc wrote: >Hey everyone! I was at a used CD store today and they had a lot of >Soundgarden live imports. The only one I recognized from the list was >Fresh Deadly Rarities. How good are the songs? How good is the recording? >Is $30 a good deal for the CD? That's all for now. Sorry to say that I >won't be attending Lolla because I can't drive all the way to West Palm >Beach on a Thursday. >Marc YES, YES, YES!! $30 is a bit more expensive than what I paid for it, but the covers and b-sides are priceless. It's a worthwhile addition to any collection. The recordings are direct studio recordings, so the sound quality is excellent. Run to the store RIGHT NOW and BUY IT!! Kazam "The key to immortality is first living a life worth remembering." - Brandon Bruce Lee Feb. 1, 1965 - Mar. 31, 1993 \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ------------------------------ From: HIGHTOWERN@Citadel.edu Subject: Commercialism in the Garden I know that this issue has been beaten into the ground already but I want to say a few things about it myself. If playing in a small venue for a small crowd (despite the Molson endorsement) equates to going commercial, then maybe Chris and the guys have sold out. Speaking as a musician myself, I can tell you that there is something about playing in small clubs and such to a small crowd that makes playing more exciting and more of a challenge. But then again, when starting out small places are pretty much all that you get to play in. Getting the chance to play in larger venues where you have room to run around without worrying about knocking the guitar player in the crowd or backpeddling into the drummer and his set is pretty cool. The minute I get the chance to play a venue like that I will jump on it. It isn't a thirst for commercial success. It is simply a want for variety. Some bands start off playing arenas and stadiums w/o having to go through that small club stage. And some are destined to play small clubs for their whole career. SG has the talent and power to say "You know, we haven't played in a small clubin a while. You want to try it for the next show?" and actually be able to do it. While I am at it, I want to comment quickly on the issue about Chris' shirtless thing. I don't think that he was necessarily up on stage running around shirtless for the attention of the female fans. Shit, everyone who walks around half-naked in public hopes that they attract some sort of attention, right? If turning chicks on left and right was his business, he could have been elsewhere collecting money while on stage, right? The fact of the matter is that sometimes when you are screaming your head off and putting everything that you have into your performance you tend to sweat immensely. The natural thing to do is discard clothing that you don't necessarily need. So what's wrong with that? Just because Chris undresses on stage one minute (uh, because he is hot maybe?) and says that he doesn't like being made into a sex symbol the next doesn't make him, as Shroom said, full of shit. ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: BEWARE: Chris sexy body post!! Ok... if you have absolutely no interest in Chris' sexy body... just go ahead and DELETE this post before you read any further. It may offend some sensibilities... ;) SORRY SETH!!! Heheheh... this is one I don't think you'd want to post to the page. ATTENTION SG PERVERTS: I have FINALLY gotten a good picture of Chris with CLINGY shorts. (God bless the makers of video snapshot devices.) If you are in lust with Chris, then this is a picture that you MUST have!! Did I mention that his shorts are VERY CLINGY? E-mail me, and I'll send it to you. This is a VERY GOOD PICTURE!!!! I was quite impressed with... ummm... the RESULTS. Heheheh... Shroom the Chris pervert (obsessed and proud) "Why no, I don't stuff my shorts, Shroomy... wanna see?" ~ Chris Cornell (Words not necessarily said in that order...) <~~~ my disclaimer ------------------------------ From: ansel@morgan.com Subject: Mark and moshing. Mark, and anyone who will, with a straight face, refer to a musical event as a war zone...please explain this mentality to me. I'm not just bitching, I'm totally serious. Do you really believe bone crushing is the way it should be? Have you thought about what you posted, or do you blindly follow the testosterone masses? Are you saying slamming people until they bleed, break (can we say quadriplegic) or die is justifiable. So if I'm not a 175 pound brute, I can't see my favorite band up close? How old are you Mark? And have you ever witnessed a serious concert injury? Maybe you have and just don't give a shit, right? You disgust me. -Vikki ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Author: Mark Miller at nylanr01 One should not go into a war zone if one is not prepared to be injured. Step to the side, it is that simple! Everyone knows that there will be moshing so it is not an unexpected thing. ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: Inconsistencies It's not that I have a problem with Chris wanting to change his look (), it's the fact that he's trying to blame his past shirtlessness (is that a word?) on photographers and directors. It's like he wants people to believe that he was MADE to go around shirtless constantly, and we all know that's not true. He showed off his sexy body, got many of us females all hot for him... and now he's trying to play the "sex god martyr" role. I'm just saying that the least he could do is be truthful, and admit that he wasn't forced to go around half-naked all the time. He did it with a free will, and he shouldn't be blaming it on other people. In my book, that makes him a hypocrite. A very talented and yummy hypocrite. Shroom "Oh Shroomy, I love it when you nibble on my... " ~ Chris Cornell (Words not necessarily said in that order...) <~~~ my disclaimer - --------------------------- Greg wrote: It seems to me that this may just be a matter of getting a little older and a little more mature. I'm sure that most people (especially those in the 20-30 year old range) can think of a few things they did five years ago that they would never do now, for whatever reason. Why should Chris be any different? I don't think it's necessarily about hypocracy or what's not real. I think it more likely that he's always "been true" to himself. It's just his outlook that's changed. My $0.02 ------------------------------ From: mansruin@sirius.com (Man's Ruin Inc.) Subject: Re: PN videos Well,I did some nosing around,and the deal with the new video is that A&M and MTV assume the audience to be dullards,hence they only really want to play performance videos.The band itself requested a non-performance video,to which I happily complied....but hey,life goes on.I am more than satisfied with the one I did,and that's what really counts. Frank Kozik ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: Commercialism in the Garden >The fact of the matter is that sometimes when you are screaming >your head off and putting everything that you have into your >performance you tend to sweat immensely. The natural thing to do >is discard clothing that you don't necessarily need. So what's wrong >with that? Just because Chris undresses on stage one minute (uh, >because he is hot maybe?) and says that he doesn't like being made >into a sex symbol the next doesn't make him, as Shroom said, full >of shit. I'm not referring to him onstage. I can completely understand (and appreciate) him taking his shirt off while he's, ummm.... performing. (Heheheh...) What I'm talking about is when he's at PHOTO and VIDEO shoots. What about then? He's saying that he doesn't want to be a sex symbol... but if that's true, then why were the majority of photos of him (during his pre-Superunknown days) shirtless and sexy as hell? He's trying to say now that the photographers made him do it. Yah right, buddy. You can tell them "no" NOW, but not back then? Uh-uh... don't think so. HYPOCRITE. Don't get me wrong... I love the guy to death (psycho comment). But he's also full of shit (at least on this subject). Shroomy ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... *** Chris Cornell | |.| |.| |\./| "She drinkin' my JackDaniels |\./| and smokin' all my weed" .\ |\./| /. ~~Andy Wood, MLB \-.\ |\\.//| /.-/ \--./\ |\\.//| /\.--/ \--.| \ |\\.//| / |.--/ \---.|\ |\./| /|.---/ \--.|\ |\./| /|.--/ \ .\ |.| /. / _ -_- \ \\ // / -_- _ - -/_/_/- | | -\_\_\- - /_\ ------------------------------ From: Mark Miller Subject: Wow, no more moshing stuff from me! Apaarently my posts were misunderstood. I do not think it is right to kill people at concerts. I DO NOT thin k a music event (or a country for that matter) should be a war zone. I myself have been seriously injured at concerts to the point of coughing up blood. I think some people missed my first post. I think if everyone looked out for each other like when I first started going to shows in the mid eighties things would be fine. If someone fell down you picked them up. Unfortunately people seem to miss the message of the music they are listening to while they are killing each other. The strong (physical, mental, money) will always give the shaft to the weak and that is what I think is happening. I hope this clears thing up. Peace, Mark Hard headed...? ------------------------------ From: Sugarcoma Subject: Re: Wow, no more moshing stuff from me! At 10:07 03/07/96 -0700, you wrote: > Apaarently my posts were misunderstood. I do not think it is >right to kill people at concerts. I DO NOT thin k a music event (or a >country for that matter) should be a war zone. I myself have been >seriously injured at concerts to the point of coughing up blood. I >think some people missed my first post. I think if everyone >looked out for each other like when I first started going to shows in the >mid eighties things would be fine. If someone fell down you picked them >up. that's true. i was at a show once with a fairly sized pit and me and my friends were right at the front/center [wow!] and i was happily dancin away when i hear this nasty kinda groan from beside me and see my friend [who is not very big] crumpled on the ground with four people like standing on him.[where they had been for like 10 minutes] i did my best to get over there as fast as possible but it was reall packed and i couldn't move. he was ok tho coz some big guy helped him up and kinda looked out for him for the rest of the show. he was bruised but ok. we went up to guy and thanked him afterwards but it's really scary to see people just more concerned with hearing the music than helping people have a good time. i think what Mark was tryin to say was that he wished it could be like it was a few years ago when people DID care. anyway, i have no idea if this post made any sense and i'm too lazy to go back and read it. Justine "hold you close like we both died my ever pressing suicide my stupid fuck my blushing bride oh tear my heart out tear my heart out." ------------------------------ From: ansel@morgan.com Subject: Re: Wow, no more moshing stuff from me! What I'm annoyed with is the "the weak will always get the shaft from the strong" shrugging-off of this bullshit. I didn't realize the war zone thing was meant sarcastically. I'm sorry. I hope you got yourself one of those 3 o'clock in the morning advertising, ambulance chasing sleaze lawyers and sued the crap out of the venue security, the promoter, and even the band for your coughing up blood incident.-Vikki ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ I myself have been seriously injured at concerts to the point of coughing up blood. The strong (physical, mental, money) will always give the shaft to the weak and that is what I think is happening. Peace, Mark ------------------------------ From: "Eli\Avi Sharon" Subject: When Is SG gonna go on tour? Could anyone please tell me when they are gonna go on "Down on the Up side" tour? I want to hear them play infront of me not inside my CD player! If anyone has any information concerning these certain individuals and their damn tour he or she should immediatly contact the local authorities and me. Thank You for your cooporation in advance, The 'A' man ------------------------------ From: GARIBAY V MARIANA L Subject: Moshing stuff Hi guys. I've been reading all this messages about moshing at lolla, and I'm kind of scared now. If I go, I'll be very worried, specially because I wear glasses. At all the concerts I've gone, I've been right in the front at least for one song, and I like to "mosh"(?) a lot, here it's called slam, and everybody jumps, hit each other, crowdsurf, etc. But we're still very nice (guessing for your mails) and when somebody fells someone pick him out. I've lost my glasses several times (and they're made of glass, not plastic) and people has helped me out always. Several times some boys have "protected" me by making a "circle" around me. Well I hope you understood my point. And if you want to come to Mexico to a concert you can be sure that your life won't be in danger =). Bye now. Mariana. Puedo delirar contemplandote, viendote brincar, solo predicar, que este planeta esta perdido y es mejor pasarsela dormido. Paco Huidobro. ------------------------------ From: adam21@ptd.net (Adam) Subject: Lollapolusa Hey bros I have currently been searching for lollapalooza dates and I did find some. It doesn't seem that they are scheduling one in PA. This is bogus! I make it a point to attend lollapalooza every year and this year they are not eve coming and of course chris is going to be jammin. ....Figures If anybody knows why this is so drop me a note I'll still attend this memorial if it's in brazil but I'm just a little curious Immense SOUNDGARDEN Fan Adam adam21@ptd.net ------------------------------ From: overfloater@thenexus.com Subject: bleh... i dunno about all this moshing stuff.. i mean, when i go to a show, (course i haven't seen a band live in over a year) i like to get into the pit, but not for the purpose of beating the shit out of people - i like to mosh cause say soundgarden for example, the music drives me crazy and sometimes i like to freak out and i can't do it in my living room for the sake of the downstairs neighbors, so i try to do it at a show - don't get me wrong, i mean, i'm against this beating the shit out of people at shows - but that's ALL it should be is dancing to the music cause you like the band, not because you have to be macho and beat the shit out of people or you're a horny bastard that wants to grab some girl's boobs in the pit. in short, i agree with all of you. and the shoving and whatnot that goes around during concerts - regardless of the pit - annoys the hell out of me. the shoving match that ensued during jesus christ pose when i saw soundgarden in rochester had me on the floor - i didn't expect it and i got knocked down. but some guy was really, really nice to help me get up and to help stop all the shoving so i could get up in the first place :) if that guys on the mailing list, thanks a lot, i won't forget it :) but in december of that same year i was at a nine inch nails show and i got knocked down again, only this time i got literally stepped on when i was on the floor, no one helped me up here. at some shows, people look out for one another, and at others, it's a free for all. i dunno if this display of assholery just happens at certain shows (and there's gonna be a lot of that macho display at any given lollapalooza, unfortunately), or if it's this new craze, to beat the shit out of people at concerts.. hopefully the crowds at sg shows when they do their own tour won't be made up of assholes. lolla 93 was the first concert i ever went to, and from that, i expect to get bruised, etc. at shows.. sigh.. i just hope i don't get hurt on tuesday :( ..overfloater btw: did i tell you that at that sg show i saw, i was hyperventilating and i went to get a drink out of the water fountain cause i absolutely thought i was gonna die, and it was packed, and i stumbled on my way out of there and i bumped into some lady on accident and the bitch punched me? real nice. REAL nice. one hell of a community. ------------------------------ From: "B. Kinser" Subject: Re: When Is SG gonna go on tour? On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, EliAvi Sharon wrote: > Could anyone please tell me when they are gonna go on "Down on the Up > side" tour? I want to hear them play infront of me not inside my CD player! > If anyone has any information concerning these certain individuals and their > damn tour he or she should immediatly contact the local authorities and me. > > Thank You for your cooporation in advance, > > The 'A' man > > > > Uh, they've been on tour for almost a week now. It's called Lollapalooza. try http://www.lollapalooza.com BK ------------------------------ From: ADDC Subject: Re: What I forgot to say on moshing and Soundgarden On Tue, 2 Jul 1996, caryn rose wrote: > there is a HUGE difference between moshing and what goes on now, which is > people beating the shit out of each other because they think it is cool. What is this difference? > Besides I would > >miss > >seeing Chris crowd ride to the back of the pit and back to the stage like > >he did at Lolla 92 in Barrie, Ont. > > chris wouldn't dare do that today because [see above]. even eddie vedder, > who used to venture into the crowd at every show as a point of principle, > wouldn't dare do it again. > > being down front is not the exclusive right of stupid angry white males. > what is going on now has NOTHING to do with the music... vincent ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: What I forgot to say on moshing and Soundgarden On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, ADDC wrote: > > > On Tue, 2 Jul 1996, caryn rose wrote: > > > there is a HUGE difference between moshing and what goes on now, which is > > people beating the shit out of each other because they think it is cool. > > What is this difference? moshing was the response of people who were immensely moved by the music. it was an intense physical response. but like mark talked about in his first post (and i'm sorry mark, like vikki, i also didn't understand you were being sarcastic). i used to go in mosh pits for bands like black flag and the dead kennedys and the ramones, and i never saw anyone get hurt. a mosh pit used to be right about where they tend to form now: a few rows back from the front. however, you NEVER fucked with the people who were in the front rows. they earned that space and were entitled to it, and shouldn't have to suffer because you like to bounce around. [not the case now] there were very serious 'rules' then... (and still are at real punk shows today).... if someone fell down you picked them up, if someone hit you too hard you told them, you didn't just punch their lights out, and if it was clear that someone was there to cause trouble, you didn't respond, you stopped the pit and got security to get the guy out. you were aware of your neighbors at all times and tried to be considerate of their right to enjoy the music in their own personal way. and i know that sounds deadhead-like, which is contrary to punk in a way, it was really like that. i think vikki and mark and others have talked about this better than i have... and i'm at work and in pain so i'll stop typing now... - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Dan Murphy Subject: lolla at irvine 8/4 want to know if there will be any other sommsters there at the show in irvine on the 4th....let me know, and we can arrange some kind of tailgate jammyjam... danno danno@wood.net ------------------------------ From: Sugarcoma Subject: help ok, can anyone confirm for me the Vancouver date for Lolla? i think it's Aug. 9th but i'm not completely sure. also is anyone else going to this show? if you are please tell me!! Justine who would love to take advantage of Lolla to meet a Sommster "hold you close like we both died my ever pressing suicide my stupid fuck my blushing bride oh tear my heart out tear my heart out." ------------------------------ From: Jentje Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 2 Jul 1996 Hey Dena!! I just got the interview tape in the mail last week, i haven't listened to it all yet...but so far I loved it!!!! Oh yeah, thanx for the cool card too... > >From: GeekGirl@aol.com >Subject: SOMMS > >Hey all.... > >I'm sure this is not the best time to announce seeing how this is causing a >little bit of a stir....but here it goes: > >I found 2 copies of SOMMS the other day while out and about and it seemed to >me that this CD is hard for others to find.... so being nice I bought them! ( >ya know help out my fellow list members ) they were however 16.00 bucks > each ( belive me I amnot makeing a profit on it.... I am selling them for >jexactly what I paid for them...!!!) If anyone is interested please let me >know....I will ship them to ya.. at no extra charge...( even out of the >us...!) also if anyone wants to trade me for it that's cool too... I am >looking for "stolen prayers" or "coverin" >let me know it you are interested!!! > > >OVER AND OUT!! >Dena :)~ If there's still, one, could you maybe consider me as a potential buyer? i am at a rare point at the moment where I am actualy financialy stable enough to afford that! So puh-lease, could you let me know if you've already sold it? *ahem~>this message was posted on an appropriate day, my b-day!!* (sorry just had to add that!) ;) Toodles! Jenn ------------------------------ From: "Dan \"Pop-tart\" Hearsch" Subject: indianapolis didn't anyone else go to the indy paolooza? sg did flower and a cover of the doors' waiting for the sun. it was pretty sweet. ------------------------------ From: "Timothy J. Smith" Subject: Acoustic Burden in my hand??? I was flipping around the dial on my car radio and I came across Q107, a Toronto, Canada station. They were play a new version of a Soundgarden song. So, i stayed on the station and on came Burnden in my hand, with an acoustic guitar in the background. The drums and bass were still there, but there were acoustic guitars. Does anybody know if the Burden in my hand single disc will have this on it?? Tim Smith ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com ( NIKI FREER) Subject: Re: BLOW UP THE OUTSIDE WORLD I can definately say that there is a sure rush that I get from Soundgarden, one that just seems to take my breath away at times. Try listening to "Tighter & Tighter" up mega loud too, great great feelings come from that one to me. endless, nameless ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com ( NIKI FREER) Subject: Shroom, you've got a new friend! SHroom, I must say, I more than agree with vigorus shakings of my head of yr feelings about Chris Cornell. As Caryn said in her review of the Showbox event (lucky, lucky you caryn!!) "My God that man is gorgeous!" endless, nameless ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com ( NIKI FREER) Subject: Video stuff..... ??? Fellow SOMMERs: I read one post about someone having a video copy of just about everything Soundgarden has to offer on video. Um, whoever that was, E- mail me cause I want a copy! :) endless, nameless ------------------------------ From: endless_nameless@prodigy.com ( NIKI FREER) Subject: Hello, I'm a newcomer.... Hello SOMMS Soundgarden list: You might not recognize me because i am new. Okay, i go by "endless, nameless" and i love Soundgarden to death, and often find myself lusting heavily after Chris (Shroom, wink wink!) Okay, well, that's me, i hope you guys like me! :) endless, nameless ------------------------------ Subject: (Fwd) Re: Inconsistencies From: tonerkin@usa.pipeline.com (Tonerkin) To: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: Inconsistencies From: tonerkin@usa.pipeline.com(Tonerkin) X-PipeUser: tonerkin X-PipeHub: usa.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Tonerkin) X-Mailer: Pipeline USA v3.4.0 On Jul 03, 1996 11:36:07, 'ShRooMGrLz@aol.com' wrote: >I'm just >saying that the least he could do is be truthful, and admit that he wasn't >forced to go around half-naked all the time. He did it with a free will, and >he shouldn't be blaming it on other people. In my book, that makes him a >hypocrite. I think any one of us has something we did in our past that in a year or two down the line we were embrassed by or unhappy with. Just imagine that goofy hairstyle you thought looked great or life choice you made being out there publicly documented for everyone to see. I think initially Chris being shirtless was a necessity on stage due to the heat! And than the buzz started a little at a time about him being *hot* and than it became a lead singer kind of thing. Photographers ask him to take off is shirt and he obliged. Maybe he was never comfortable with it but it seemed like a good thing to do in order to help his band. No it didn't improve their musicianship but it sold magazines and videos! So now he doesn't have to take his shirt off to *sell* his band. and he is more comfortable not doing it unless it's on stage and it's hot!! Maybe Chris is slightly embrassed by doing it when he was younger. I think calling him a hypocrite is a bit much. If he bashed some other up and coming band for flaunting a lead singer sexy body or something like that I think the word would be more appropriate. I think being human is more like it. A human being who prehaps did something he is not all that proud of! Shroom, I want to know what Mr. Cornell did to get you so PO'd??? Did the Police come to your door last week??? Did he turn down your invitation to a birthday slumber party at your house?? toni BTW: to all my fellow Americans: Happy 4th of July!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: When Is SG gonna go on tour? At 03:04 PM 7/3/96 -0500, B. Kinser wrote: > > >On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, EliAvi Sharon wrote: > >> Could anyone please tell me when they are gonna go on "Down on the Up >> side" tour? I want to hear them play infront of me not inside my CD player! >> If anyone has any information concerning these certain individuals and their >> damn tour he or she should immediatly contact the local authorities and me. >Uh, they've been on tour for almost a week now. >It's called Lollapalooza. >try http://www.lollapalooza.com to be fair to Avi here, he *is* in Israel, and probably has absolutely no idea that they're on tour here (remember, it is the other side of the world, and after living there for six years, you're lucky if you can find out what's going on in London, forget the states).... he probably doesn't have web access, and probably doesn't understand what this mailing list is or how one works... i could be wrong, but again, i know none of my friends there have a clue what this 'internet thing' is just yet.... just keep in mind not everyone throughout the world has the same excellent access to info and music that we do... - --caryn ------------------------------ From: caryn rose (by way of caryn rose ) Subject: LATEST LOLLA DATES! (read this!) sorry to do this to the people who have been paying attention all along, but there have been enough requests for this info lately that i'm going to do this once and for all. ;-) this is from the Pollstar site (since i hate the lolla site) -- don't write to me, or the list, if you have any questions about specific dates! go to the lolla site or pollstar or call your local radio station and ask *them*. =20 everyone else, you are now officially allowed to pummel the shit out of anyone who asks yet AGAIN for lolla info. ;-) (i'm kidding, i'm kidding!) - --caryn Concert Information for Lollapalooza '96 Date City State Venue 06/30/96 Pecatonica IL Winnebago Co. Fairgrd. 07/02/96 Noblesville IN Deer Creek Field 07/03/96 Hebron OH Buckeye Lake 07/05/96 Barrie ONT Molson Park 07/07/96 Quebec City QUE Hippodrome 07/09/96 Pownal VT Green Mtn. Fairgrnd. 07/10/96 New York NY Downings Stadium 07/11/96 New York NY Downings Stadium 07/13/96 Syracuse NY State Fairgrounds 07/16/96 Charles Town WV Charles Town Raceway 07/18/96 W. Palm Beach FL So. Florida Fairgrounds 07/20/96 Rockingham NC Rockingham Dragway 07/21/96 Newport TN Forks Of The River 07/23/96 New Orleans LA Tad Gormley Stadium 07/25/96 Ferris TX Old Fort Dallas 07/27/96 Chandler AZ Compton Terrace 07/30/96 George WA Gorge 07/31/96 George WA Gorge 08/02/96 San Jose CA Spartan Stadium 08/03/96 Irvine CA Irvine Meadows Amph. [Search] the Web for more information on Lollapalooza '96 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- [Home ][About ][E-Mail ][Help ] All contents Copyright =A9 1995,1996 Promoters On-Line Listings, Inc. All Rights Reserved. We welcome your suggestions and comments! You can send them to webmaster@pollstar.com. If you have a concert tour schedule update, email update@pollstar.com. For information about hard copy subscriptions and our other services, email info@pollstar.com. ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: Inconsistencies I'm still calling Chris a hypocrite because he does NOT want to be considered a sex symbol (or so he says)... but yet he encouraged it by complying with the requests for pictures and video of his sexy body. I'm sure he was FULLY aware of what was going to happen when he flaunted his body... but he looks down on the women he was trying to impress in the first place. I'm not pissed off at Chris... I'm just tired of hearing the "Chris doesn't want you women lusting after him" spiel. Ok, maybe he doesn't... but dammit, did he have to get us all worked up like that... and then denounce us? ;) Heheheh... actually, I wish he'd keep going around half-naked... and he could look down on us all he wants!! Can NO ONE see what I'm trying to say here? I'm trying to justify my lust... and blame it on Chris!! That way, ten years from now when I'm Chris' age, and seeing a therapist... I can avoid the "it's my parents fault!!" whine. I'm SO understood. ;) Heheheh... Shroom "Just lay down on the couch, and let me play doctor... er, umm... I meant therapist for you, Shroomy." ~ Chris Cornell (Words not necessarily said in that order...) <~~~ my disclaimer ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: RE: serious lunatics >>kathie emailed me this morning complaining that no one reads the list. i think she is right (aside from us serious lunatics [hi carolyn!! ;-)] Are you laughin' at me, Caryn??!! :-P I must be a lunatic for I'm still catching up on old emails, Carolyn. ------------------------------ From: melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net Subject: M.O.M. compilation Okay peoples, I guess I was the Only one who bought the "Music for Our Mother Ocean" CD, so here's the breakdown: Contrary to what SURFER mag wrote, and what I reported to all of you, the version of "My Wave" on the album is NOT a previously unreleased live version, but just the studio cut. How sucky. Anyway, the rest of the album does have it's ups and downs. There are some good covers ("California Sun" by the Ramones), and then there are BAD covers (PJ's "Gremmie Out of Control"). One excellent cover is Pennywise's rendition of "Surfing USA". I have to admit I groaned when I first heard of it, but when I got a listen it turned out to be great. However, an absolutely HORRIBLE rendition of "Surfing Bird" by silverchair follows, which made me fumble for my CD remote to skip it. The real Gems of the album: Helmet's rendition of the Bjork song "Army of Me", "My Wave" (for those 2 people who don't have superunknown), and Sublime's "Bad Fish". The Reverend Horton Heat's song "I can't Surf" didn't exactly accomodate my taste when I first heard it, but kept listening only because they toured w/SG (ok, call me biased). It's really cool, tho. I say if you can afford the $12, buy the album. It's for a good cause. but if you have better things in mind, save it. Gregg ____________________________________ | | HEAVY ROTATION-- | http://www.cybercomm.net/~melusk2 | "Down on the Upside" | melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net | --Soundgarden |____________________________________| "Another motherfucker down the drain" --C. Cornell ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: RE: lolla crowd advice...quotes of the week...ben folds five Grote wrote: (hey it rhymes! :-) ) >>well, jeremy, let me speak as one who was present at the des moines=20 lollapalooza not more than fifteen hours ago... you lucky bugger.......... >>the crowd sucks. it's the most testosterone pumped pack of=20 hootie-lovin', "WOOO!"-screamin', flesh-barin', trash-throwin',=20 death-moshin', bhs/spoonman-singin' dolts that i've ever seen in my = life.=20 (HEY CAROLYN...AM I IN THE RUNNING FOR QUOTE OF THE WEEK!?!?!? :) ) Oh most definitely, Grote my man!! :-) We are into a new week now, and = of the 100-odd messages I've just read in the last hour or so that quote = wins the prize........... Btw, sorry the crowds have not been good for your Lolla concerts. Ben = especially sounded so glum. Come live in Australia! The crowd at the = Big Day Out concert I was at in February was really cool. Everyone had = a ball, some crowd-surfed, most didn't, no one was hurt, we all danced = along and had big smiles on our faces..............what more could you = want? >>......to catch the end of ben folds five's set (A MUST=20 SEE! these guys are fantastic...whodathunk? a baby grand piano at=20 lollapalooza!?!?!?), and was running back and forth to catch you am i=20 as well (also good...CAROLYN!!! haven't i heard you speak highly of=20 these guys before???) No, you got me wrong there. I've heard two of their songs - don't mind = them, but don't know that I could listen to a whole album of theirs. I = do like the fact that there aren't five members in the band, and that = they're rather unique having no guitarist......... >>so there's my advice, for what it's worth...bring a blanket or=20 something to sit on during slow sets. water, food, backpacks,=20 umbrellas, cameras and recorders are not allowed inside... In Australia we couldn't take in water either - but food? umbrellas? = backpacks? What do they think you guys are gonna do in there?! >>i've rambled far too long...let me know if you have any more=20 lolla questions, anybody... Yeah, I do - remember I asked for how many bands play at Lolla? And how = long does each concert go for? And how many stages there are playing at = once? Can someone please tell me.............I'm curious! And has anyone managed to see Australian band You Am I yet? If so, give = us a quick review please! What about Metallica? Sorry I know a lot of = you don't like them, but a lot of us do - and other than hearing about = the poor behaviour of their fans I've not heard anything about how the = band performed...... And Rancid - any good? (Ben mentioned he liked = them). I've seen them before and was very impressed with their energy - = go see them if you can. Carolyn the Mysterious & Foxy I used to be happy, I used to be.....Violent Femmes ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: WAHOO!!! Just had to share my joy with all of you............... Not only did today start with hearing Spoonman on the radio, and my = personal life is getting back in order after a traumatic ordeal, but = tonight I have finally cleared my mailbox of incoming Somms letters!! Yeehah. Carolyn the Mollycoddled Fish is back in town - and Bonnie, I'll write = soon. What good....is suicide? Die young is far too boring these = days......Helmet ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 173] ****************************************