From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 3 Jul 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 02:10:41 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Wednesday, 3 Jul 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: knights of the soundtable Re: grote report: DES MOINES LOLLA Re: In luv w/Chris buckeye lake , Ohio Lolla, trading shows/bootlegs Inconsistencies Re: In Luv w/Chris Moshin slammin whatever Re: Chris & Siblings Ages? Re: Chris the hypocrite... Re: New PN Video Re: In luv w/Chris Re: In luv w/Chris Fresh Deadly Rarities Chris' 2 cents on Metallica... Re: In luv w/Chris Reviews, Toronto, etc... Sorry 'bout the mixup... BLOW THE OUTSIDE WORLD!!!!! What I forgot to say on moshing and Soundgarden Re: To plec' or not to plec' (That is the question)? Re: trading shows? Re: What I forgot to say on moshing and Soundgarden ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Patrick Thomas Subject: knights of the soundtable i shot my love today, won't you cry for me????? burden in my hand rules!!!!!!!! HARDHEADED F-K YOU ALL......... TY COBB IS THE SHIT. MORE TO COME. THE ITALIAN STALLION FEEL FREE TO MAIL MY OTHER KNIGHTS AT sjohnson@skipjack.bluecrab.org khadda@dmv.com cperry@dmv.com ------------------------------ From: "B. Kinser" Subject: Re: grote report: DES MOINES LOLLA Well, I'd thought I'd throw in some extra bits about the Des Moines Lollapalooza that the others missed. The main stage stuff was posted competently already so I'll skip it. First of all, be sure to check out the tent where some CD's are for sale. The had virtually EVERY cd Soundgarden has ever put out (including singles). Also, they had the limited edition BMF in the wood box. It was numbered 94 out of 200 or something like that. I don't remember the price. This booth is also where some of the bands are signing autographs. I got autographs from Psychotica and Ruby. If you aren't into Rancid, be sure to check out Ruby on the second stage. They put on a great show, and to see Lesley Rankine ragging on all the "Metal Boys" is hillarious. When you ge there, be sure to pick up a copy of the Lollapalooza magazine. It lists all the bands and the times that they start. Eat before you get there if possible. I had to pay $6.00 for a fucking taco. Even though it was big, the price was outragous. $2.00 to $3.00 for a 12 ounce bottle of water! In all, I must say that the vibe this year is considerably different. The presence of Metallica/Rancid/Ramones has changed the audience demographic into a more aggressive crowd. I frequently heard things like "I can't wait to get to the pit to kick some peoples asses." Oh well, I'll see Soundgarden when ever I can and I'll kep looking forward to a headlining tour in the fall/winter! BK ------------------------------ From: rea47935@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu (Rick Agrait) Subject: Re: In luv w/Chris shroom, are you sure this "new person" isnt just you with another AOL account?? the similarities are uncanny :) - -hasswipee >Hello, I just got AOL two days ago and I was in heaven to see all the great >stuff on Soundgarden. I've been listening to the band since 1989 and I have >most of their records including imports. Soundgarden has got to be the best >band ever to form (Mother Love Bone, too), they are a god sent. I am in >love with Chris Cornell I think he is a gift to earth. It is my life long >dream to meet him someday, along with the band. I waited in line for >Loolapalooza tickets for the LA show just so I could see Soundgarden. Lucky >me, I got the farthest section back in the corner. I'll be lucky if I can >distinguish which one is Chris on the stage. When I was in Seattle last >summer I was bright eyed the whole time hoping just by chance I would see >Chris, in which I would jump on him and give him the best liplock he's ever >recieved (sorry, little lady!). The day will come!!!!! > > > > >I love you, >Jessica > > > > ------------------------------ From: HQXH39C@prodigy.com (MR SEAN M MCELENY) Subject: buckeye lake , Ohio Lolla, hi, im going to the lolla at buckeye lake in ohio, is anyone else going? i live in fairfax Va and am going to drive there wednesday morning. anyway Ill see ya there if youre going. ------------------------------ From: HQXH39C@prodigy.com (MR SEAN M MCELENY) Subject: trading shows/bootlegs hi, i think i sent a lterr like this one to the list a few days ago but it was returened so Ill try again. I have Olso Norway 94' , Reading 95', Somwhere 92', Crown of Thorns , Black Hole Sun ( san jose 94') , Stolen prayers ( unreleased demos) and most of their b-sides. if anyone is interested in trading tapes please e-mail me. if anyone out there has a show or boot that i dont have but has all the ones i have then i would be willing to send you 2 maxell II 's per show. also if anyone wants a show from me but doesnt have anything to trade i will be willing to do the above mentioned trade. thanks sean ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: Inconsistencies In Monday's digest Shroom said: > Chris Cornell is SO full of shit. He doesn't want people focusing in on > his good looks, but yet he totally threw it in our faces up until a couple > years ago. Can we say hypocrite? How can he blame his shirtlessness on the > photographers and directors? Puh-leeeze. Like he couldn't have said "No, I > don't want to take my shirt off for this photo shoot."? Don't think so, > babe. I didn't even know the guy OWNED a shirt until Superunknown came out > (slight exaggeration). I don't see how he could possibly justify his blatant > "look at my sexy body" earlier attitude as something that was forced upon > him. I've really been doing alot of thinking about this kind of stuff, the changes between early SG behavior and current SG behavior and I've developed a theory. In earlier posts I've talked about how maybe now that they can afford it the things they are doing are the REAL Soundgarden. It follows, unfortunately, that if that is true then some of the earlier stuff must have been an act to some extent. Not that I hold that against them. Everyone in the business has to make SOME concessions in order to get their foot in the door. So maybe the shirtlessness WAS a deliberate marketing tool, whether Chris wants to admit it or not. My theory is that Soundgarden, not wanting to be taken advantage of by "the Business" decided to take advantage of IT. In reading old articles I discovered that while they were signed to SST A&M had fronted them money for demos. The demos A&M paid for ended up as Ultramega OK, and A&M was pretty pissed. Sounds like playing both ends against the middle to me. I also think that as much as they talk about being their own people that they have had to bend to other pressures, whether it be record companies or whatever. Just look at some of the frustrated lyrics Chris writes. We've talked about Drawing Flies, and on DOTU Boot Camp, and there are lots of other songs that seem to talk about being, or at least feeling, restricted artistically. These guys are really smart and I think they've done a great job getting where they are, but I doubt that they've been completely honest about some of their reasons for doing and/or saying some things. I don't know. Somehow it seems like there are some inconsistencies. Even Soundgarden isn't perfect and none of this makes me like them any less of course. I just hope some GLARING inconsistency doesn't turn up some time in the future. So far I still find them to be the most refreshing group of musicians in a pretty bogus business. Kathie PS: I'd love to hear what other people think about this stuff. ------------------------------ From: iawake@ix.netcom.com (Chris (SGardnGrl)) Subject: Re: In Luv w/Chris Hi there all ye fellow Sommsters... Haven't posted in a while, just reading and taking it all in, ya know. I stood in line this Saturday for Lolla tickets...was 5th person in line at a particular Tower Records and I can't f*#!ing believe that I got lawn seats! If you know that colonnade is noose bleed territory, then you know I'm further back than that. I am so pissed that this years Lolla is at "sucky" Irvine Meadows! But I don't know what I would have liked better..Irvine or Bakersfield..Yikes..talk about heat stroke! Anyway....I said no way! Screw these lawn tickets! I'm going to see my beloved Soundgarden up close!!!! So I picked up the phone and dialed a few local ticket "brokers" (scalpers with fancy names) and I got my husband and I, 6th row orchestra tickets smack dab in the center!!! Hallelujah!!!! (Chris Cornell here's looking at ya! errr, or your chest! LOL (forgive me, Caryn) I have my fingers crossed on that one Shroom!) And..I'm a pro at climbing over seats too>>> So Chris..you better call the police! Hehehehehe. Anyway, I paid up the butt severely for the tickets, although I told myself that I deserved it, because I was one of those many *unfortunate fans* that missed out on the Showbox show :( I'm still recupeorating from my depression on that one.....just ask my hubby. Jessica...join the club of many Chris Cornell admirers..he is quite the man..Oh sorry Dena.....Matts a doll too! But overall and most important, with all kidding aside....(not speaking for Shroom tho) We all enjoy and respect *ALL* the guys for all the great music they give us, and have given us, over the years. They *ALL* are quite the group of talented and hard working musicians...and the most crucial reason that we all are here...is the love of Soundgarden's music. Chris Cornell can't take all the credit just for being HOT looking....although Shroom might argue with me on that one! Huh Shroom? Oh..by the way Shroom, you still going to send me a copy of that Rockline show???? Jessica...email me about what show your going to go to, at Irvine, and maybe we can meet up!? (with no help from Nothingman...) Well. ....Sorry for the ass long post guys, but I just had to get the fingers back in shape! :) You never know who might need the skillfull touch of quick theraputic fingers... eeah Shroom...????? :) Christy (SGardnGrl) ------------------------------ From: Mark Miller Subject: Moshin slammin whatever I just trashed this really long tear jerking message I was going to post about all this moshing stuff. I willl get to the point. When alternative was still alternative everyone knew each other and it was a small fun crowd. When Jane's broke everything changed. People listened to the music but missed the message. The same thing with SG and all the bands today. It used to be fun and people would pick you up when you fell, not trample you when you fell. Now people are slammin and crowd riding when the band isnt even playing. I know I wouldnt have as much fun at a concert if I didnt come home sore but you have to look out for each other.. Maybe thigs are just too big now. Mark ------------------------------ From: Moonsta693@aol.com Subject: Re: Chris & Siblings Ages? Actually, Chris is going to be 32 this month, on the 20th. The original Preety noose ------------------------------ From: Moonsta693@aol.com Subject: Re: Chris the hypocrite... My dear shroom, I agree with you totally. chris is always complaining on how all these girls focus on his body, and how they are always falling head over heels for him, and he has the nerve to say that he doesn't know why they just don't focus on the music, rather than just how cute he is. Well, how do you expect anyone to stop if you keep doing that. If he didn't want to he didn't have to take his shirt off, but that's just what he wanted to do, just being a show-off. 'Course I wouldn't put my baby down like that, but it's just true. If he doesn't want all that attention over his body, boy, keep your shirt on! the original Preety noose ------------------------------ From: Moonsta693@aol.com Subject: Re: New PN Video Knowing the fact that the band doesn't like to perform in thier vids, how many people think Chris fucked up the lyrics in the begining of it? I mean just looking at them, you know they were faking it, but MTV plays that one more because thata's the kind of stuff they like to play. they like when bands lip-sync. It's just a plain music video, when I think the old one had a lot more to do with the song, actually painting a picture for you. Well, what do you expect from MTV. They any bands like SG, and they hate any thing new, yet they take in bands like the Dave Mathews Band. It's just sickening! "Hardheaded, Fuck you all!" C.C The original preety noose. ------------------------------ From: Moonsta693@aol.com Subject: Re: In luv w/Chris Well my dear, it seems as if you came to the right place, 'cause there are plenty of gals who think exactly like you do. Make yourself at home! Well, I'll tell u this, if you ever meet Chris in person, don't through yourself at him, just slowly come closer to him, and talk regular 'bout the band, and make sure its really slow, so he won't back away, then, slap one on him. It works, trust me!!!!! "Hardheaded, Fuck you all" C.C. the original Preety noose ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: In luv w/Chris On Tue, 2 Jul 1996 Moonsta693@aol.com wrote: > Well, I'll tell u this, if you ever meet Chris in person, don't through > yourself at him, just slowly come closer to him, and talk regular 'bout the > band, and make sure its really slow, so he won't back away, then, slap one on > him. It works, trust me!!!!! you know, as much as i think chris is extremely hot, i would never, never, ever do this... if it was a guy doing it to a girl, we would (hopefully) all be disturbed by this... and unlike shroom's "what would you do if you found chris lying unconsious in a field' post -- for which i got the humor, if no one else did -- this is not only serious, but bragging... and i'm seriously not impressed. it "works"? you're implying that you managed to shove your tongue down chris' throat? and what exactly did you gain by this? was he a willing participant? what's the point of doing this if he wasn't into it? i just don't get it.... - --caryn ------------------------------ From: marcm@grove.ufl.edu Subject: Fresh Deadly Rarities Hey everyone! I was at a used CD store today and they had a lot of Soundgarden live imports. The only one I recognized from the list was Fresh Deadly Rarities. How good are the songs? How good is the recording? Is $30 a good deal for the CD? That's all for now. Sorry to say that I won't be attending Lolla because I can't drive all the way to West Palm Beach on a Thursday. Marc ------------------------------ From: "Joseph E \"Gene\" Candelaria" Subject: Chris' 2 cents on Metallica... Howdy all, I found the following in the LA Tmes Online Calendar Section for Tuesday July 2. It's an article which discusses Lollapalooza and the "alternative" -vs- "mainstream" debate: "To me, the idea of Metallica headlining makes perfect sense," said Chris Cornell, lead singer of Soundgarden, and one of the most respected figures in alternative rock. For one thing, they are a great band, but they also bring in a lot of new people (to Lollapalooza) and you can turn on that audience to interesting new things they might otherwise never hear . . . like the Cocteau Twins." Moments later on stage, Cornell had fun with the Metallica controversy. At the end of his bands set, he stared out at the crowd and spoke sarcastically about how bummed everyone must be, having to look forward to Metallica closing the show. The crowd, most of which had been standing in the scorching sun for more than seven hours, let out a huge roar--both, it seemed, for Soundgarden's radiant set and for the pending arrival of Metallica... - -- Joseph E. "Gene" Candelaria http://www.inland.net/~sunishun My place in time is a big nada history. But, my place in time with you is shown symbolically. -----Mike Watt ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: In luv w/Chris High again, kiddies!! I'm just dropping a note to the list, 'cuz I've had like 5 people write and ask me if *I* sent the following post to the list. No... sorry peoples, not me!! My name is SHROOM, not Jessica. And why would I need an alias to post about Chris' sexy body? It's not as though I need one. Wake up... drink some coffee... pour it over your heads if need be. ;) But it IS always nice to have more Chris worshippers on the list. Right Seth? ;) Heheheh... Congrats on getting such great Lolla tickets, Christy!! Hopefully all those crazy Metallica fans (ummm... except for the wonderful Caryn, of course... she's not crazy... I think? Heheheh... J/K Love ya, Caryn!!) won't rip out chairs and start a mosh pit on top of you. "Call the police!!" Heheheh... just wait until Lolla gets to TX, babe. Somehow, someway... I'm going to make my presence known to them. I'm not sure just HOW yet... but I'll figure SOMETHING out. But yah, I've got to agree with you... the music comes first (try not to pass out, people). I loved the music before the man. Actually, for a brief while (a couple weeks), I thought that Jason Everman was just a little bit cuter than Chris. Then (for about a month) I thought that they might be brothers with different last names. OkOkOk... so shoot me. I was only 15 years old in '89. A girl is entitled to a FEW mistakes, right? Oh yah... one more thing. I FINALLY got that Snappy that I've been wanting for ages. A Snappy makes jpg files from video sources. So if there's any REALLY good SG footage that you people want pictures of... write me and let me know, and if I have the video/interview/concert on tape, I'll try to get a picture made of the certain scene. I've already sent a few pix to Seth, and I'll be doing that all summer... so keep checking out the page for new shots (which will probably be predominantly of Chris and his sexy body... what a shocker, huh?). I've also got a bunch of MLB stuff, so if you're interested in that, too... let me know. Shroom "Damn, but that Shroom girl is one sexy babe!!" ~ Chris Cornell (Words not necessarily said in that order...) <~~~ my disclaimer ******************************** Subj: In luv w/Chris Date: 96-07-01 18:10:16 EDT From: PJ9718@aol.com To: SOMMS@aol.com CC: SOMMS@MIT.EDU Hello, I just got AOL two days ago and I was in heaven to see all the great stuff on Soundgarden. I've been listening to the band since 1989 and I have most of their records including imports. Soundgarden has got to be the best band ever to form (Mother Love Bone, too), they are a god sent. I am in love with Chris Cornell I think he is a gift to earth. It is my life long dream to meet him someday, along with the band. I waited in line for Loolapalooza tickets for the LA show just so I could see Soundgarden. Lucky me, I got the farthest section back in the corner. I'll be lucky if I can distinguish which one is Chris on the stage. When I was in Seattle last summer I was bright eyed the whole time hoping just by chance I would see Chris, in which I would jump on him and give him the best liplock he's ever recieved (sorry, little lady!). The day will come!!!!! I love you, Jessica ------------------------------ From: cstone@Phoenix.kent.edu (HasNoName) Subject: Reviews, Toronto, etc... Hello all, Anyone out there who is going to or has gone to Lolla this year, are you interested in writing a review for my page? I've added a link to the page with the set lists and comments to my page, but some more information on the other bands besides SG would be nice, if possible. Good, bad, or indifferent, I don't care, if you feel like contributing it, I'll put it up. [Mental image of Navin R. Johnson finding his name in the phone book-"My name in print! That really makes somebody! Things are going to start happening to me now!"] Also, (and I know it's a bit late for this information, as I'm going to Columbus tommorow to see SG, et al, but thought I'd check) does anyone know who the "special guest" that plays between the Ramones and SG is for the July 5, Barrie Ontario date? The official page still remains mum on the subject. (The Lolla. publicity system runs like a well oiled machine with no moving parts.) I know that the Violent Femmes will be at the Columbus one tommorow, and the Tea Party will be at the Quebec date on the 7th, but the 5th is still TBA. (On a side tangent, has anyone ever seen TBA? I keep wanting to, but they always replace them with some other act. And I can never find a copy of their release, "Cassette Head Cleaner", anywhere. Oh well.) Carl/HasNoName - -Carl M Stone--NOT INSANE! IN '96--KSU parks it and locks it, NOT RESPONSIBLE- Not Responsible! Park and Lock it! -- Firesign Theatre http://nimitz.mcs.kent.edu/~cstone/ for Lolla.inf,FiresgnThtre,tapetrading,etc ------------------------------ From: "Eli\Avi Sharon" Subject: Sorry 'bout the mixup... I would like to say that I'm sorry that y'all got my message it's just that someone put me on that list, and I had no idea what all these mesasges were and who the hell is somms. Anyway, by coincidence I happen to be soundgarden fan so my only thoughts I would like to share with you nice people are that their new album KICKS ASSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!! It hasn't left my CD player for a month now. I also like the AIC album, which, by the way, have just released an awesome unplugged. If anyone gives about what I just shared, feel free to mail Peace... ------------------------------ From: "Eli\Avi Sharon" Subject: BLOW THE OUTSIDE WORLD!!!!! I say to all you Soundgarden lovers out there, to put "Down on the Up Side" in your damn stereo, turn the volume to the max and let you close neighbors and the rest of your neighbourhood to experience the power of the best sound in the world. I tell you all to B=FDLOW THE OUTSIDE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If any of you feel a rush listening to Seattle's Top band feel free to comment... =20 ------------------------------ From: Mark Miller Subject: What I forgot to say on moshing and Soundgarden One should not go into a war zone if one is not prepared to be injured. Step to the side, it is that simple! Everyone knows that there will be moshing so it is not an unexpected thing. Besides I would miss seeing Chris crowd ride to the back of the pit and back to the stage like he did at Lolla 92 in Barrie, Ont. Mark ------------------------------ From: melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net Subject: Re: To plec' or not to plec' (That is the question)? At 05:12 PM 6/27/96 +0100, Matthew Lawrence wrote: >> >> Dear all, >> for some reason, earlier on a question jumped into my head and >> I've been thinking about it ever since. So I thought I'd ask some people >> who might know. >> "Does anyone have any idea if Kim, Ben and Chris use plectrums or not"? >> If they do, do they all the time or just for certain songs? Which songs and >> why? > >The one time I saw them live, they were all using plectrums.. As far as i >could tell, anyway. > > Matt > > WHAT THE HELL ARE PLECTRUMS??? Gregg ____________________________________ | | HEAVY ROTATION-- | http://www.cybercomm.net/~melusk2 | "Down on the Upside" | melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net | --Soundgarden |____________________________________| "Another motherfucker down the drain" --C. Cornell ------------------------------ From: melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net Subject: Re: trading shows? At 07:41 PM 6/29/96 -0500, MR SEAN M MCELENY wrote: I got tapes!!! E-mail me! Gregg >is anyone interested in trading shows on the mailing list? i have >Oslo Norway 94', reading 95', crown of Thorns, and black hole sun( >san jose 94'). all trades are for copies on tape and if you have any >shows that i dont have and you have all the ones i have then i would >be willing to send you 2 blank maxell 2's for each show. >sean > > ____________________________________ | | HEAVY ROTATION-- | http://www.cybercomm.net/~melusk2 | "Down on the Upside" | melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net | --Soundgarden |____________________________________| "Another motherfucker down the drain" --C. Cornell ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: What I forgot to say on moshing and Soundgarden At 06:21 PM 7/2/96 -0700, you wrote: > One should not go into a war zone if one is not prepared to be >injured. Step to the side, it is that simple! Everyone knows that there >will be moshing so it is not an unexpected thing. there is a HUGE difference between moshing and what goes on now, which is people beating the shit out of each other because they think it is cool. Besides I would >miss >seeing Chris crowd ride to the back of the pit and back to the stage like >he did at Lolla 92 in Barrie, Ont. chris wouldn't dare do that today because [see above]. even eddie vedder, who used to venture into the crowd at every show as a point of principle, wouldn't dare do it again. being down front is not the exclusive right of stupid angry white males. what is going on now has NOTHING to do with the music... ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 172] ****************************************