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                       grote report: DES MOINES LOLLA
                              RE: it' s perfect
                                   Bye bye
                                Earth Affair
                            lolla crowd advice...
                     Re: grote report: DES MOINES LOLLA
                              the lolla reports
                     Re: grote report: DES MOINES LOLLA
                                lollapoloser
                                 LoLLa STuFF
                    ultramega OK on vynil and Lolla dates
                               trading shows?
                Re: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 29 Jun 1996
                   kim on cover of new "guitar player" mag
                             Re: Killer Tomatos
                               Killer Tomatos

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From: jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu (grote)
Subject: grote report: DES MOINES LOLLA

hey all...

it is currently 3:30 a.m. on Saturday the 29th...and i just returned 
from lolla in des moines. i am dirty and grungy and tired, but since 
i'm also a dedicated somms member i will give a brief report before 
hosing myself off and collapsing (more details will come later...trust
me, i'm a journalist...i got 'em...my little pen and pad were going at
lightspeed while trying to avoid the flying metallica dickheads that 
mr. timberlake spoke of in his post---let me just ditto everything he 
said about this issue because it was exactly the same in des 
moines...)

anyway, the set: (almost identical to kc)
spoonman (not bad)
searching... (better)
drown me (very tight...ben goes beserk on the bridge)
pretty noose (top-notch vox...i noticed on this song that kim's guitar
     		  was miked a little flat...oh well)
burden (lovely...most of the crowd didn't know it which allowed me to
     		hop around idiotically with little resistance :)   )
never the machine... (so-so...this song is so intricate that it's 
     			nearly impossible to duplicate live...it just
     			didn't come across with the same power, imho)
ty cobb (WOW...high voltage. i almost died. i lost my pen, paper and 
     	water bottle in the crowd mayhem--the former two were 
        recovered, fortunately. it was good to see the band and the
        crowd really grooving on this tune. my pathetic mud-covered
 	twisted pen and paper made my list nearly illegible, but i
        managed)
fell on black days (very heavy, tight, nicely done. the crowd knew
     			this one so i had to deal with some bouncing
     			dolts, but oh well...i like this song as well)
rusty cage (pretty good)
waiting for the sun (i loved watching elder audience members' faces
     			light up when they realized what the song
     			was...a good performance by sg on this one)
black hole sun (chris solo w/ geetar...powerful, moving, and most
     		importantly...a DIFFERENT take on this radio-killed
     		tune...a performance groupies and die-hard fans alike
     		could appreciate)
outshined (sure, everybody knew it, but the band performed it 
     	  crisply and with sheer power)
rhinosaur (a little sloppy...i'm not a big fan of this song and the 
     	  live performance didn't do much to change my mind)
never named (see "rhinosaur" above...a fair-to-middlin' performance of
     	     a fair-to-middlin' song)
blow up the outside (a moving finale, but i don't think anyone fucking
     		    realized it...at the beginning of the song, some
     		    numbskulls started throwing around cardboard pizza
     		    plates...soon the entire crowd is doing it and
     	            paying no attention to the band...i think ben gave
     		    the best possible summation of the travesty by
     		    spitting at every pizza plate that came near him
   		    and flipping off the crowd twice upon completion 
     		    of the set...he seemed to be a happy man until
     		    that crap happened...damn shame...)

anyway, a good set overall...chris had some humorous crowd banter 
("you people up front here are looking really...um...ugly."
and, after finding a big yellow book that someone had tossed on stage:
"someone's throwing religious bullshit up here. i don't care what you 
do, but i don't wanna read about it...hmm...looks like something about
sinners who aren't getting enough to eat.")

well, as long as i'm giving details i may as well keep going...

chris went guitar-less on never the machine, ty cobb, outshined, 
rhinosaur and never named to concentrate on hopping around and 
screaming.

for the fashion police...kim was wearing traditional black jeans and 
black t-shirt, ben sporting black jeans and a white dress shirt, matt 
a blue t-shirt and goofy blue baseball hat, and chris in the standard 
snl/showbox black jeans and shirt. (shirt hanging open for first five 
songs, then he tossed it aside and went shirtless for the remainder of
the set, much to the delight of female fans in my vicinity.)

that's all i feel like relaying to you now...oh yeah...the ramones 
were great, screaming trees were freakin' fantastic (i may have to 
agree with ben t. that this was the finest set of the festival...they 
were REALLY in top form), metallica was metallica, psychotica and 
rancid both sucked. this is the second time i've been forced to sit 
through a rancid set and i think they are truly a terrible band. oh 
well...i've also got a set list for the ramones and partial for the 
trees if anyone's interested...

later...i've got more detailed musical notes about each sg tune that 
i'll try to share later...

bye...
      			
- -- 
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From: Candy Haun <casuhaun@genesis.odvte.state.ok.us>
Subject: RE: it' s perfect

> i dont think this has been dicussed but can anyone besides me hear
> someone( it sounds like Matt to me) say " its perfect" at the
> begining of Switch Opens. he says it real quick before the intro

Yeah, I've heard that, too. 
 
> ayway i keep thinking i hear Micheal Jackson and 500 dollars being
> uttered in that opening mysterious voice.

The voice sounds to me like some kind of news report or something.  I 
have tried and tried, but I can't make it out either. I makes me crazy 
when bands do that...put things in their music that are just impossible 
to decipher.

.>  Ive also listened to Bootcamp alot and in my opinion this is about
> the incident where Chris publicly trashed Micheal Jackson. the lyrics
> seem to be in his point of view about having to be perfect and pure
> when you're a celebrity and  being politicaly correct.

Interesting theory.  Now I'm going to have to go listen to "Boot Camp" 
with that interpretation in mind. I don't know about the Michael Jackson 
part, but I agree with you that he's saying that he feels expected to be 
a "perfect stalwart clone".  He' not alone.  It's not just celebrities 
that feel societal pressure to conform.

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Subject: Bye bye
From: "Matthew Lawrence" <mattlaw@cogs.susx.ac.uk>

Goodbye, everyone, I've gone home for the summer and won't be back on the
list until October. It was really great reading all your posts over the last
year and I'll look forward to resubscribing in October.... BYE!!

    Matt

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From: ADDC <varkey@utdallas.edu>
Subject: Earth Affair


Is a fellow named Sean McEleny part of this list?

In a guitar magazine I ran across an ad for concert videos. They are offering
a couple of Soundgarden tapes. The first is called "Soundgarden: Motorvision
(Live in 1992) and it is $25. The second is called "Soundgarden: A Night To
Rememeber (Live '94) and this is $30. Does anyone on here have either of 
these concerts? If you do, please give me a extensive detailed report on 
them. 

What is on somms?

Vincent

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From: jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu (grote)
Subject: lolla crowd advice...

> From: "Limo Wreck" <j_crocke@eos.ncsu.edu>
> Subject: lolla advice needed
> 
> ok, i need some advice. I have never been to a lolla show in the first
> place.
> 
> I really want to see Soundgarden, the Ramones and Metallica. BUT,
> would i be better off getting down front with all the mosh monsters
> and crowd-killer/surfers. AND, i would also like to see Sponge and
> Melvins on the 2nd stage. So, would i be better off getting their
> early and staying down front or just hangin in the back merrily
> dancing around without getting trampled?

well, jeremy, let me speak as one who was present at the des moines 
lollapalooza not more than fifteen hours ago...

the crowd sucks. it's the most testosterone pumped pack of 
hootie-lovin', "WOOO!"-screamin', flesh-barin', trash-throwin', 
death-moshin', bhs/spoonman-singin' dolts that i've ever seen in my life. 
(HEY CAROLYN...AM I IN THE RUNNING FOR QUOTE OF THE WEEK!?!?!?   :)   )

i wanted to get optimum viewing position for my three target acts of 
the day: screaming trees, soundgarden and the ramones. keep in mind 
that stupid little mosh-circles break out everywhere in the crowd, which is
shoulder-to-shoulder for the width of the stage and 100-150 feet back,
so it's impossible to guarantee a good viewpoint anywhere, BUT...

i found that the best place to be was about 30 feet back, off to the 
left or right corner of the stage. i was standing in front of kim for 
most of the sg set, and pushed up front once but decided it just 
wasn't worth it...the people up there were not sg fans (for the most 
part...i'm sure there were some true-blues in there somewhere, 
probably trampled underfoot by the dimwit moshing lollapalookas...). 
anyway, from the spot where i was at, i could push up 10 feet or so 
and get in the thick of things, or drop back 10-15 feet and have a 
little more crowd tranquility to desperately try to scribble notes 
and songs on my sad little dusty piece of paper in my pocket. not an 
ideal situation, but i had a pretty good view of the band from where i
was at and could pretty much control my destiny as far as where i 
wanted to move. (except during ty cobb...then all hell broke loose, i 
lost my water bottle, my pen went flying into the air and i was 
plowing through people to get it back...which i did. the water bottle 
was not so lucky. RIP. (sniff)  >;->   )

we were a lot closer for the trees and ramones, and we didn't have any
problems whatsoever during those sets. i could stand 15 feet in front 
of johnny r., hop around like an imbecile and stop to write the songs 
down on my set list whenever i felt like it. (btw...prepare to be 
completely blown away by the trees...they put on an absolutely 
STUNNING show. lanegan was mesmerizing, martin pounded like a man 
possessed, and the gorgeouly rotund connor brothers were in top form, 
bouncing and rolling around while breaking out killer hooks...they had
an extra guitarist too, which really helped round out the sound, 
imho.)

it takes you a little while to move from stage to stage because of the
people, but it's not too bad overall. i bolted to second stage after 
the ramones finished to catch the end of ben folds five's set (A MUST 
SEE! these guys are fantastic...whodathunk? a baby grand piano at 
lollapalooza!?!?!?), and was running back and forth to catch you am i 
as well (also good...CAROLYN!!! haven't i heard you speak highly of 
these guys before???)

so there's my advice, for what it's worth...bring a blanket or 
something to sit on during slow sets. water, food, backpacks, 
umbrellas, cameras and recorders are not allowed inside...buy a $2 
bottle of water when you first get there, then just refill it in one 
of the bathroom sinks (if available) for the rest of the day. you CAN 
bring in binoculars, if you are so inclined. (i don't know, that's 
just what the sign said.) t-shirts are $23, food is damn expensive ($7
for a frozen pizza) and boy oh boy, is everything really "alternative".
(eeech. it's amazing how people will buy into anything that spoon-fed 
to them through mass-marketing. but i digress...)

i've rambled far too long...let me know if you have any more 
lolla questions, anybody...
- -- 
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#        GROTE!!!!!	"I don't remember half the time                #
#                          If I'm hiding or I'm lost                   #
# jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu     But I'm on my way....." -Chris Cornell   #
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From: caryn rose <clr@nwlink.com>
Subject: Re: grote report: DES MOINES LOLLA


thanks again for another great lolla report.  

i'm just glad that seth is (hopefully) putting all of these on the page 
so that when a certain someone gets home from lolla he can read what 
kinds of SHIT we had to put up with.  i just hope we all get through the 
summer without someone *really* getting hurt.  i'm just angry, really 
really angry, this is exactly what i knew it would be like, and i have to 
pass up seeing the ramones and devo and the melvins and sg again because 
of beavis and butthead wannabe metallica fans [disclaimer: not all 
metallica fans are b&b wannabes, i mean there's a healthy segment of 
metallica fans that are...] 

i mean, jeez guys, you wanna work with metallica, play a show or two, 
release a fucking single or something... ;-)  why subject us to this?

oh, and i think ben folds five sucks, but that's just me. ;-)

thanks again for the detailed and thoughtful reports....

- --caryn

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From: "Limo Wreck" <j_crocke@eos.ncsu.edu>
Subject: the lolla reports

all of the lolla posts to the lists are being used for my tour page. check it
out at

http://undertow.rh.ncsu.edu/Sound/soundhome.html

follow the links under the LOLLAPALOOZA link for setlists. Comments are linked
from those pages respectively.


- -- 

Jeremy Crocker,   A.K.A   unGod
j_crocke@eos.ncsu.edu
http://www4.ncsu.edu/eos/users/j/j_crocke/WWW/home.html

"So I take what is mine,and hold what is mine,
 suffocate what is mine, and bury what's mine.
         Soon the water will come
         and claim what is mine.
         I must leave it behind,
       and climb to a new place now."   -"Flood", TOOL

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Subject: Re: grote report: DES MOINES LOLLA 
From: seth <saperl@MIT.EDU>


> i'm just glad that seth is (hopefully) putting all of these on the page 
> so that when a certain someone gets home from lolla he can read what 
> kinds of SHIT we had to put up with.

well, they'll all be in the somms archive, but they won't be in the
lolla section unless people submit them separately. so people, please
do submit your reviews if you attend lolla...

enough shameless plugging,
seth

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From: Shannon Roberts <SHANNON@newschool.edu>
Subject:  lollapoloser

I haven't seen a great show since  I moved to NYC from Seattle 3 years
ago. I must have been lucky and spoiled in WA, or the scene in NYC
consists of posers .  I'm living in the past for a minute or two
today--Anybody out there go to the SG show at the Capital Theater in
Olympia Sept  '91? Great show...I have video some where.  

There is not a chance in hell I'd go to the lolla show at Randall's
Island, even if Chris had grown his hair back ! (or I had grown mine
back!!!) Too commercial, too corporate, transportation nightmares,
and my Docs need to be resoled! Maybe I'll sit at a park and listen
to the sounds of my fleeting misspent youth waft over the East River.


whoa---gotta come back to '96, got work to do.

later -
shannon


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From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com
Subject: LoLLa STuFF

> for the fashion police...kim was wearing traditional black 
>jeans and black t-shirt, ben sporting black jeans and a 
>white dress shirt, matt a blue t-shirt and goofy blue baseball 
>hat, and chris in the standard snl/showbox black jeans and 
>shirt. (shirt hanging open for first five songs, then he tossed 
>it aside and went shirtless for the remainder of
>the set, much to the delight of female fans in my vicinity.) 

     Oh YES!!!  There is a GOD!!!  Thank you, Grote!!  You've single-handedly
restored my excitement for Lolla!!   Chris half-naked!!!  BLISS!!!!
  <boogying around the room in joy>

     Ummm... you people want advice for Lolla?  Stay away from the front of
the crowd when the band hits the stage, unless you've got a firm hold on the
barricade (which is nearly impossible).  If you ARE up front, you'll probably
end up at the back of the crowd anyway, from people trying to get closer...
or else at the bottom of the mosh pit.  I've always found that the best time
to get closer to the stage is about half way through their set, while their
playing a slower and lesser-known song.  The original excitement will have
died down, and people aren't as pushy.  That's always been my best bet for
getting close.  (Hey Seth, did I ever mention the time that I got to touch
Chris' sexy body while up front at a SG concert?  Yeppers!!  Remind me to
tell you that story sometime... I know you're SO interested in hearing it!!!
 ;) Heheheh...)  Anyway... just be careful people.  Especially watch out for
the guys who have totally serious, pissed off expressions on their faces.
 They're not there for the music... they're there to try and beat the crap
out of each other and everyone else in the vicinity.  I've been pretty lucky,
myself.  I think the worst thing to happen to me in a pit is a busted lip,
and that was at a Pantera concert a few years back.  Am I babbling?  Sorry.
 Heheheh... I'M GOING TO SEE CHRIS HALF-NAKED IN A FEW WEEKS!!!!  Life is SO
good sometimes!!
                              <kisskiss>
                                            Shroom

"Hey Shroomy, wanna see what the luggage compartment under our tour bus looks
like?  I'll give you the.... guided tour."  ~ Chris Cornell
(Words not necessarily said in that order...)  <~~~ my disclaimer


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From: HQXH39C@prodigy.com (MR SEAN M MCELENY)
Subject: ultramega OK on vynil and Lolla dates

ok, today at a store called Orpheus or something like that in 
Georgtown( D.C) i bought a copy of Ultramega Ok for 8 bucks. It is 
brand new( still in the shrink wrap) but i think its probally a 
reissue. anyway i dont care because really like the music. There are 
a few diferences between this and the cd release, the back has great 
pictures of all of them  playing with their names besides them. side 
B has a rose in red ink on yellow paper and engraved on side A is" a 
religous man might think we're evil...." and on the other side: " a 
rational ma might think we're religous".

lemme get this str8, July 20th at rockingham NC is an official date? 
does and anyone have tickets to that show? i am planning on going to 
that one and Charlestown in WVA. all this changing of the dates is 
pissing me off.
sean

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From: HQXH39C@prodigy.com (MR SEAN M MCELENY)
Subject: trading shows?

is anyone interested in trading shows on the mailing list? i have 
Oslo Norway 94', reading 95', crown of Thorns, and black hole sun( 
san jose 94'). all trades are for copies on tape and if you have any 
shows that i dont have and you have all the ones i have  then i would 
be willing to send you 2 blank maxell 2's for each show.
sean

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From: ANGELR711@aol.com
Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 29 Jun 1996

SOMONE HELP ME!!!!!!!!!
i am in desperate need of "KAISER KELLAR'S CELLAR"
if anyone has it up for sale, or can help me obtain it, please mail me
privately. thanx for all your help! : )     -Rima



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From: Chris Mansfield <mansfiel@nwlink.com>
Subject: kim on cover of new "guitar player" mag

new issue of "guitar player" magazine (july) has an interview with kim that
gets into the technical side of playing, for all you sommsters who like to
try to figure out how to play SG tunes.  :)  has a couple of good pictures too.

:)  Chris


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From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com
Subject: Re: Killer Tomatos

>I was at the video store today and I was gonna rent Attack just 
>for the hell of it...but they didnt have it. Has anyone seen it? Now 
>is Matt in the movie or is that song he sings just in the background 
>like part of the soundtrack?

     This movie sucks, Stella.  It's pathetic.  No, Matt's not in it (and I
spent WAY too much time looking for his face in the crowds on it).  The only
thing that I KINDA wonder about is when they show the cover to the album
"Donny Desmond's Puberty Love."  There's a picture of a blonde kid on the
cover, and it really doesn't look like Matt, but then again, what the hell do
I know?  It's Chris that I'm obsessed with.  Dena (Geek Girl) made a few wavs
of "Puberty Love."  If anyone wants to hear the song, but doesn't want to sit
through this BORING movie, e-mail her... I'm sure she'll send the wav to you
(whatta gal... I'm sure she's gonna love me for nominating her for it).  I'm
just nice like that...
                              <kisskiss>
                                                Shroom

 ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... ***  Chris Cornell
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From: stella <srogers@fix.net>
Subject: Killer Tomatos

I was at the video store today and I was gonna rent Attack just for the hell
of it...but they didnt have it. Has anyone seen it? Now is Matt in the movie
or is that song he sings just in the background like part of the soundtrack?

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