From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 29 Jun 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 02:46:16 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Saturday, 29 Jun 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Twilight experiences with DOTU atlanta show lollapalooza 6/27-report Chris' Hair Sitting here like wet ashes... Chris & Siblings Ages? Re: lolla advice needed Screaming Life on ORANGE vinyl Music View 127/128 Re: Chris & Siblings Ages? ATN, June 28 =) Tickets for The Gorge, WA Re: lollapalooza 6/27-report Re: Chris & Siblings Ages? Re: Tickets for The Gorge, WA Re: =) BMF/SOMMS auction Re: Tickets for The Gorge, WA Re: lameness lameness never named is on charts Re: New Version Sux She's a Politician somms prices alanta tickets left? "its perfect" found on yahoo auction Re: auction Re: Chris & Siblings Ages? RE: My Showbox story!...What is Lolla? RE: Pretty Noose Video/Other Stuff Well Planned Pause RE: commercialism, part 2... Hammer of the Gods-what does it mean? Re: Hammer of the Gods-what does it mean? Fwd: auction Re: Hammer of the Gods-what does it mean? Auctions ------------------------------------------------------------ From: rockhds@giga.com (Anja Gonzalez G.) Subject: Twilight experiences with DOTU Hey there! I'm glad to know I'm not the only person in this world to have these experiences with the new Soundgarden album. I just can't wait to get my DOTU copy ( you are all so lucky!) to put my headphones on and travel into outer space with the music. Guess that's it for now, bye! Anja Hey Shroom, what are your experiences? ;) =A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9= =A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9= =A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9= =A9=A9=A9=A9=A9 =A9 = =A9 =A9 ALIVE IN THE SUPERUNKOWN=A9ALIVE IN THE SUPERUNKOWN=A9ALIVE IN THE= SUPERUNKOWN =A9 =A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9= =A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9= =A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9=A9= =A9=A9=A9=A9=A9 ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: atlanta show ...just dawned on me (can't sleep anyway) 9,000 seats is hardly a 'theatre'. 9,000 seats is an arena, if i'm not mistaken... - --caryn ------------------------------ From: BTimLake@aol.com Subject: lollapalooza 6/27-report I had a shitty time. It was a beautiful day. My best friend, my brother, his friend and I set out at 11:30 for Longview Lake after a stop at the grocery store for supplies. We listened to Alice in Chains on the way (I firmly believe that you should not listen to the music of the concert band directly before or after the concert, but should listen to related music or side projects. I'm not quite sure why) Anyway we got there and the whole setup is pretty cool. I'd never been to lolla before, so I can't really compare it. There's a little carnival set up (you have to pay for the rides), an airwalk tent with a halfpipe, tons of merchandise and food tents, eMpTyV's choose or lose (tm) trailer, and three stages. The main stage is a big thing. Biggest constructed stage I've seen since Pink Floyd (then again, I don't get to too many concerts). The second stage is a half-size version. The third stage is on the back of a flatbed trailer type thing. The order in the program for mainstage was: Psychotica, Shaolin Monks, Rancid, Screaming Trees, Ramones, special guests (the Cocteau Twins), SOUNDGARDEN, and Metallica. (I may have missed someone there, but for those artists, it's definitely the right order) The monks were moved to the second stage for some reason, though. We hung around the main stage for almost all of the day with breaks to get water and check out the airwalk demonstrations. Psychotica=kinda weird, but not bad. Rancid=lots of energy. during this, there was the expected amount of energy, lots of moshing. I also experience one of those '90s rites of passage for which I was long overdue: I got kicked in the head by the muddied boot of some crowdsurfer. But, I thought, "Hey it's Rancid; you play with fire, you might get burned." The Screaming Trees were very cool. Probably the most enjoyable act of the show for me. The Ramones were also cool, lots of energy, but I didn't know a lot of their stuff. Before and during the Cocteau Twins, everyone who had come for Soundgarden and Metallica started jockeying for position. My friend Ryan and I got spots just right of center about three people back. Getting them wasn't too hard. Maintaining them was. The Cocteau Twins didn't belong on this show. I thought they sounded interesting, but you spend an entire day building up a crowd's energy, then just before the climaxes, you give 'em dreamy music. I'm sure Shroom wants some of whatever the organizers are smoking. Anyway, after someone hit the lead singer (female) in the face with a glop of mud, the band left the stage. My friend and I were ashamed to be associated in any way with that crowd. So then, some pushing starts. Now, I'm something of a pit rookie. I've been in a few, but I was not expecting anything like this. In addition to the fact that the ground was slippery mud, everyone was pushing. Did I mention I had my little automatic camera? I was planning on taking pictures. Anyway Soundgarden comes on and My friend and I get squished. His sunglasses break. I nearly lose my glasses and don't even realize the band is on stage until about 10 seconds later. I nearly punctured the guy in front of me with my fork. He was cool, though. He asked if I could see okay. Since I couldn't get my arms down due to the lack of space, I held my fork up which the security guy eyed skeptically. Okay, this is the part where I'm gonna bitch. Little motherfuckers crowdsurfing pushing Metallica ass fans kicking just get the fuck out. Why do people always have to mosh and crowdsurf at the fucking concerts? Why can't they just move and enjoy the music. You would think they were there for the music, but apparantly not. I'm just so angry. I've been anticipating this concert for months. It's one of the few things that's kept me going and it was ruined by fucks who just don't care. We moved out of the front and towards the back after three songs. I hope I don't sound like I'm whining. Maybe I just wasn't prepared for it. But it still makes me angry as hell. I used to be all for a band having tons of fans and y'know the more the merrier. But I can't help thinking, "What if DOTU had been a commercial flop? What if all those bandwagoners hadn't been there? Wouldn't my concert have been more enjoyable? Anyway, I snapped a couple distant shots that probably won't come out and I got a pretty accurate setlist from one of the guys out in the control tower thing. I had to help him with some of the song titles, but here it is: Waiting for The Sun SWMGEC Let Me Drown Pretty Noose BIMH NTMF Ty Cobb FOBD Rusty Cage Spoonman Black Hole Sun (huge cheer from crowd: "Hey, we recognize this!") Outshined Rhinosaur BUTOW No encore, though I also know they played Never Named, but I'm not sure where. Okay, I'm sorry this was a really long post. I hope it's somewhat useful to people who are going to other lolla dates. I'm still glad I went. I mean, I was 10 feet away from Chris Cornell at one point. If anyone wants more details (I didn't really talk about the band. maybe tomorrow) just email me. - - Ben P.S. I never got a chance to yell for them to play Mind Riot. ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: Chris' Hair > om: melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net > Subject: Re: Commercial Sounds emitting from the Garden > > At 11:21 PM 6/18/96 -0400, j_crocke@unity.ncsu.edu wrote: > > but lets take a look at recent career moves: > > Yes, let's do just that. . . > > >- Chris's haircut... i know this has been talked about and into the dirt, > >but you just have to wonder.... > > Jeez, ya mean a guy can't cut his hair if he wants? he is getting kinda old. > Besides, Kim has enough hair for all 4 of 'em I found something interesting in an old magazine article that really illuminated the "haircut" situation for me: Rolling Stone July 9, 1992 "When I met Chris", says Thayil, "my first impression was that he was some guy who just got out of the navy or something. He had real short hair and was dressed real slick..." This kind of goes along with what I said in an earlier post. Maybe Chris felt comfortable enough with their success to go back to a hair cut he felt more comfortable with. Maybe, just maybe, the long hair was not "the real Chris". Oh my God! Kathie ------------------------------ From: Candy Haun Subject: Sitting here like wet ashes... Just now got the Thursday digest. My e-mail has been out of order for a couple of days. I've been browsing thru the new stuff on the home page and feeling lonely. Caryn, your pictures turned out great! Didn't you shoot those with a disposable camera? A friend of mine was half-jokingly trying to get me to call in sick and take him to the Kansas City Lolla. Well, that just wasn't possible, so I guess I'll settle for the reviews. Candy ------------------------------ From: Malvol7@aol.com Subject: Chris & Siblings Ages? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Chris say in all of the latest interviews that he was 32 years old (33 this July), and that he was the youngest of six children? I know that the person who posted the ages for Inflatable Soule said the ages were "approximate," but how can his sisters be younger than he is? I'm not trying to debate the point...just looking for the facts...thanks. ------------------------------ From: ansel@morgan.com Subject: Re: lolla advice needed Unless you stake out the front row against the barrier 8 hrs before SG take the stage, do not, I repeat, do not go down front. If you plan on seeing bands on the 2nd stage or go to the bathroom sometime that day, your going to have to strong-arm your way back to no farther than the 2nd row, no later than a band before SG come out. The reason I say 2nd row and not 3rd or 4th is that you'll need to use the person in the 1st row as an anchor or can stick your hands under their arms and hold on to the barrier yourself. If you are 3 or more rows back you have NO leverage. You go where the crowd shifts you. Do not resist the motion trying to hold your position - you will snap your bones. Don't fall when the wave hits, nobody will help you up. Now that you think your almost grounded way up front, here's a caveat. Do not duck when surfers come over your head. I once bent to let a surfer pass over the barrier into securities arms and got kicked in the head. My nose slammed down on the barrier, my collar bone was bruised and I drifted in-and-out of consciousness for 10 minutes. I won't be down front at Lollapalooza. I'll hang out with friends, check out all three stages, sun myself... and bring my binoculars. -Vikki ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ i need some advice. would i be better off down front. i would like to see the 2nd stage. would i be better off getting their early and staying down front or just hangin in the back without getting trampled? ------------------------------ From: "Mailman" Subject: Screaming Life on ORANGE vinyl The other day, I came across a copy of the Screaming Life EP on Orange vinyl (only 500 made). However, I did not buy it because it had a price tag for $110.00!!! I know it is very, very, very rare, but I just couldn't spend so much money on something I already had two copies of. I was wondering if anyone on the list owns a copy of the Orange vinyl Screaming Life EP, and how much did they get it for? - -Mailman ------------------------------ From: "Mailman" Subject: Music View 127/128 Hi again, it's Mailman. I have come across another thing that might be an important SG colletable. or it might just be something with Black Hole Sun on it. When searching the internet, I saw this CD from Music View(whatever that is) that said it had music and interviews with one of the bands being Soundgarden. I was wondering if someone could tell me what Music View is, and what song(s) by soundgarden are on it. - -Mailman ------------------------------ From: pepin@earthlink.net (Mark Pepin) Subject: Re: Chris & Siblings Ages? >Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Chris say in all of the >latest interviews that he was 32 years old (33 this July), and that he was >the youngest of six children? I know that the person who posted the ages for >Inflatable Soule said the ages were "approximate," but how can his sisters be >younger than he is? I'm not trying to debate the point...just looking for the >facts...thanks. If Chris wuz born in 1964(which he wuz) that would make him 31 goin on 32 but yes he is the youngest of 6 children. Or at least I read that. Hey he said correct him.Thank u drive thru! ------------------------------ Subject: ATN, June 28 From: seth An excerpt from today's Music News Of The World, about the first Lolla gig: "Particularly outstanding was Soundgarden's set. Apparently well warmed up from recent club and theater dates in Vancouver and Seattle, Soundgarden dove into their new album including a killer 'Pretty Noose.'" seth ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: =) >I'm sure Shroom wants some of whatever the >organizers are smoking. Sorry you had such a bad time at Lolla, Ben. I totally agree with you about the drunken Metallica fans. Have I ever mentioned that I don't like Metallica? ;) Not only does the music not agree with me... too many guys who spend most of their time wearing cowboy hats and wishing they were sitting on horses listen to them. Yee-fucking-haw. And I swear... if I witness even ONE person holding their hands up in devil horns and screaming "MeTALLiCA!!!!!!!!" before they actually hit the stage, I'm going to kill. I don't like the big outside shows, anyway. I think the only cool thing about them is that at least thirty million people offer to get you stoned... and that's before you even get out of the parking lot and into the place. Ummmm... the crowd surfing is usually pretty good, too. My apologies to anyone who's head I've kicked... that's why I wear my Chucks... softer than the old Doc's. Means less a chance of concussion. I'm so nice... ;) Since I'm on the topic... anyone else going to the July 25th show in Ferris, TX? E-mail me, kiddies.......... >Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Chris say >in all of the latest interviews that he was 32 years old (33 this July) AAUUUGGGHHHH!!! Why is everyone trying to age Chris so much?? (Damn you Dena, you started this.) He's going to be 32 on July 20th. Weird... I've been a fan of his since he was 25. Ummm... great. I'm feeling old again. >The other day, I came across a copy of the Screaming Life EP >on Orange vinyl (only 500 made).............. >I was wondering if anyone on the list owns a copy of the Orange >vinyl Screaming Life EP, and how much did they get it for? I paid $45 dollars for mine last year. For some reason I've been blessed with finding great SG stuff owned by really stupid people. I got SOMMS for $4 at a garage sale. Garage sales are great things people!!! You can get some groovy stuff at 'em. >Cable Guy note: >The song playing in Matt Broderick's friend's car is the Toadies >"Inattractive" & not any Soundgarden song as I heard somewhere >around here. But as Shroom noted: it sounds a little like >early Soundgarden. It's true... "Unattractive" hints at SG. Especially when Todd starts screaming. That whole soundtrack is great... Hmmm... my friend Droop asked me an interesting question the other day. "How many fucking times have you listened to the new album so far?" I tried to estimate, but I'll be damned if I can come up with a good enough guess. Almost non-stop since it was released? It's strange... so many events in my life have been framed with SG music. Heheheh... I have tons of home videos of my friends and I, and in every one of 'em, SG is playing in the background. You know what? I think I've probably heard BMF more times than any of the guys in the band have. Ok... I'm babbling now.... sorry 'bout that... Shroom Fact for the day: - - Chris licks his lips exactly 7 times during the 50 seconds he spends thanking people at the '94 MTV Video Music Awards. He's so cute when he stutters!! And have I mentioned yet today that he's got the most amazing sexy body? Heheheh... ------------------------------ From: Sherry Jennings Subject: Tickets for The Gorge, WA Does anyone know when the tickets for the two shows in WA will be going on sale? I'm planning a kayaking trip up that way around August 5-? and am hoping to see SG along the way. The anticipation is killing me. I heard that the Gorge sells out pretty quickly. Is that right? Please let me know if you have any info. Thanks, Sher (sherryj@maxey.dri.edu) ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: lollapalooza 6/27-report On Fri, 28 Jun 1996 BTimLake@aol.com wrote: > I had a shitty time. ah, ben, i'm *really, really* sorry. ;-( > We listened to Alice in Chains on the way (I firmly believe that you should > not listen to the music of the concert band directly before or after the > concert, but should listen to related music or side projects. I'm not quite > sure why) how weird... i feel exactly the same way. ;-) > Little motherfuckers crowdsurfing pushing Metallica ass fans kicking just get > the fuck out. Why do people always have to mosh and crowdsurf at the fucking > concerts? Why can't they just move and enjoy the music. You would think they > were there for the music, but apparantly not. > I'm just so angry. I've been anticipating this concert for months. It's one > of the few things that's kept me going and it was ruined by fucks who just > don't care. > We moved out of the front and towards the back after three songs. > I hope I don't sound like I'm whining. Maybe I just wasn't prepared for it. > But it still makes me angry as hell. > I used to be all for a band having tons of fans and y'know the more the > merrier. But I can't help thinking, "What if DOTU had been a commercial flop? > What if all those bandwagoners hadn't been there? Wouldn't my concert have > been more enjoyable? first of all, you need to separate a few things. you need to separate metallica fans from sg fans (and i say this as a metallica fan), and people who go to concerts to enjoy the music and assholes who go to a show just to fuck things up and prove how big their dick is. does that seem harsh? i don't think so. bonnie had some fucking ASSHOLE who couldn't get through front and center, couldn't get through chris, couldn't get through me, so instead, he goes for a tiny 5" petite girl who has JUST AS MUCH RIGHT TO BE DOWN FRONT AS ANYONE ELSE. if she can take the pushing and the heat she's entitled to be there. if that asshole was such a huge sg fan and wanted to be down front why the fuck didn't he get there at 3pm like i did????? anyway, the idiot went after her because she was a woman and because she was tiny. todd wrote me and told me about a friend of his who was down front and got a set list, and that his friend is not a big guy who was getting bullied and pushed around by some huge asshole who wanted his space at the barrier. the mosh pit in 1996 is an ANACHRONISM. the problem is bored mtv watching guys (and women) who think that it is "cool" and "rad" to "mosh". those assholes wouldn't know a *real* mosh pit if they walked straight through one. a real mosh pit is about enjoying the music and not about using it as an excuse to hit strangers and grope women you don't know. a real mosh pit is a community, in a real mosh pit you pick up anyone who has fallen down. i have been in pits for black flag and the dead kennedys and the clash and the fucking beastie boys back when they were a hardcore band. they were energetic and squishy and hot and you might get a few bruises, but they were NOTHING like trying to be down front at concerts lately. it is not about the music. and that has nothing to do with 'bandwagon jumpers'. at least a bandwagon jumper is vaguely interested in music. and i won't be going to lolla for sure after reading this. this is about what i thought it would be like. i just really feel sorry for ben. oh, i forgot to mention, there's a page set up about this moshing bullshit, created after someone died because of moshing at a smashing pumpkins show in ireland: http://www.muohio.edu/~carmance/moshing/ - --caryn ------------------------------ From: stella Subject: Re: Chris & Siblings Ages? At 09:54 AM 6/28/96 -0400, you wrote: >Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Chris say in all of the >latest interviews that he was 32 years old (33 this July), and that he was >the youngest of six children? I know that the person who posted the ages for >Inflatable Soule said the ages were "approximate," but how can his sisters be >younger than he is? I'm not trying to debate the point...just looking for the >facts...thanks. > > Chris is the youngest SON out of six kids. ==================================================================== stella / \ /\ | |_| / \ \ \ / /\ \ http://www.fix.net/~srogers _\ \tell /\ \ srogers@fix.net | | | / / \ \ \ / /__/ \__\ ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: Tickets for The Gorge, WA On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, Sherry Jennings wrote: > Does anyone know when the tickets for the two shows in WA will be going > on sale? I'm planning a kayaking trip up that way around August 5-? and > am hoping to see SG along the way. kathie emailed me this morning complaining that no one reads the list. i think she is right (aside from us serious lunatics [hi carolyn!! ;-)] the gorge show was announced the day the showbox tickets went on sale. Aaron posted a long diatrabe to the list about it i remember.... the tickets went on sale june 21. the gorge can sell out quickly depending on the artist. lolla has not sold out yet, last year it didn't sell out until day of show. the gorge show is july 30, not august as previously stated. go to the lolla page or call ticketmaster for more details. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: =) On Fri, 28 Jun 1996 ShRooMGrLz@aol.com wrote: > AAUUUGGGHHHH!!! Why is everyone trying to age Chris so much?? (Damn > you Dena, you started this.) He's going to be 32 on July 20th. Weird... I've > been a fan of his since he was 25. Ummm... great. I'm feeling old again. > right now> hey... forget about me! you'll have to deal with toni too! remember what she said about the bitch who thought she was the mother of one of the band members.... ;-) i mean, shroom -- am i OLD? really, really, really -- if this is old, then that's fine. i was watching patti smith on david letterman a few weeks back and all i could think was, 'man, i hope i am HALF that cool when i am her age!' she is even COOLER now then she was when she was young... and she's still dating men a LOT younger than she is.... okay, i'm rambling. just remember, sweetheart, chris cornell is my age. so if i'm old, he's old. ;-P so THERE. ;-) - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Marianne84@aol.com Subject: BMF/SOMMS auction Hey everybody! First - I guess I should introduce myself(Marianne)....this is my first post to the list. I've been on the list for about 6 months, but I usually just read what everyone else has to say. I never knew there were so many people as obsessed with SG as I am. Anyway I'm from Texas - not too far from Shroom. I had to get my 2 cents in about this aution thing - I just found SOMMS in a local CD shop for $8.99!!!!! This was of course the best purchase I''ve ever made. I've really only seriously been looking for it for about a year. I really would hesitate to pay the kind of money these guys are talking about - like other people have said before - it's just not that rare. Anyway just wanted to say hey & give my opinion...... Marianne ; ) ------------------------------ From: Sherry Jennings Subject: Re: Tickets for The Gorge, WA Caryn, Thanks for the update. I don't always have time to read all of the messages, so I appreciate your answer. I think I had gotten the date from the SG site, so I'm surprised that it has changed. If SG is going to be in WA on the 30th are they still going to be in San Jose on Aug. 4th. I know you probably have better things to do than answer my questions, but you seem to be the most helpful. The Bass ticket # only gives me the N. California and Nevada listings. (Pretty limited) Thanks for being so helpful. I promise to be more thorough in reading the messages. And, if you ever plan on visiting Tahoe, I'll be more than happy to let you in on all of the cool places to hang. That's what we fellow SG lunatics are for. Thanks again, Sherry On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, caryn rose wrote: > > > On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, Sherry Jennings wrote: > > > Does anyone know when the tickets for the two shows in WA will be going > > on sale? I'm planning a kayaking trip up that way around August 5-? and > > am hoping to see SG along the way. > > kathie emailed me this morning complaining that no one reads the list. i > think she is right (aside from us serious lunatics [hi carolyn!! ;-)] > > the gorge show was announced the day the showbox tickets went on sale. > Aaron posted a long diatrabe to the list about it i remember.... > > the tickets went on sale june 21. the gorge can sell out quickly > depending on the artist. lolla has not sold out yet, last year it didn't > sell out until day of show. > > the gorge show is july 30, not august as previously stated. > > go to the lolla page or call ticketmaster for more details. > > --caryn > ------------------------------ From: Lightning Boy Subject: Re: lameness At 09:46 PM 6/28/96 GMT, you wrote: >you guys are total lamers >get your own lives youve obviously borrowed the ones youve got now >and im sure that their rightful owners will want them back >soundgarden rules but they are not the center of the universe and >you all appear to be prime candidates for the obsessive compulsive >section of the betty ford clinic and matching sets of i-love-me jackets > >be very careful your site is under observation Notice this was sent anonymously? It figures! Anyway, whoever got SOMMS for $4 (sorry, I forgot!) you must have some STUPID people living near you! :) I wish people in my area would at least sell decent music, it's all oldies and other crap. Catch y'all later, .__ .__ .__ __ .__ __________ | | |__| ____ | |___/ |_ ____ |__| ____ ____ \______ \ ____ ___.__. | | | |/ ___\| | \ __\/ \| |/ \ / ___\ | | _// _ < | | | |_| / /_/ > | \ | | | \ | | \/ /_/ > | | ( <_> )___ | |____/__\___ /|___| /__| |___| /__|___| /\___ / |______ /\____// ____| /_____/ \/ \/ \//_____/ \/ \/ lightning@ag.net http://www.ag.net/~lightning/ ------------------------------ From: reply@remail.ecafe.org (ECafe Anonymous Remailer) Subject: lameness X-Notice: The contents of this message are neither approved or X-Notice: condoned by ecafe.org or our host Hypereality Systems. X-Notice: We bear no liability for misuse of this system. X-Warn: *** This message was remailed through an anonymous remailer *** X-Warn: *** Replying to it will not send your reply to the sender *** you guys are total lamers get your own lives youve obviously borrowed the ones youve got now and im sure that their rightful owners will want them back soundgarden rules but they are not the center of the universe and you all appear to be prime candidates for the obsessive compulsive section of the betty ford clinic and matching sets of i-love-me jackets be very careful your site is under observation ------------------------------ From: j_crocke@unity.ncsu.edu Subject: never named is on charts well.. not billboard, but it is at #2 here at the NCSU radio station for the this week. Just thought i would share the news. Kinda cool considering that other bands on the top 10 were Metallica, KMFDM, Slayer, Butthole Surfers, Sepultura, Rage Against the machine, Prong. The number one song was "floods" by Pantera. that is funny, huh? jeremy ------------------------------ From: scott78@ix.netcom.com (Violet Rae Yarroll) Subject: Re: New Version Sux I dont know if someone has mentioned this before has anyone noticed how much they are overplaying the new version a Pretty Noose. From what Iv seen they never gave the original version this much air play. The original is well more crafted artistically speaking than the in studio playing of the song. I dont know. Crazy ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: She's a Politician I found this in an old Reflex mag. Thought you all might be interested: Penned by Cornell, "She's a Politician" is based on an incident involving 'Garden guitar maniac Kim Thayil. While the band was on tour with Danzig, Thayil met a woman in a bar. As Cornell recalls, "It went from a discussion to a violent, bottle-throwing political argument." Can't you just picture Kim in this situation! Kathie ------------------------------ From: Chris Mansfield Subject: somms prices >Did I find my copy of Somms for really really cheap or something? It starts >at $30? American? God, that's expensive... i agree. a local record store recently had three copies for $80 each. i was in same store just last night and they have one left, and it is stickered $60. i asked the guy at the counter if they entertainied offers on stuff in the glass case. (i was going to offer them $30 for their copy.) "sorry. our prices are non-negotiable." "see ya!" and i walked out. >Oh yea,In the May issue of goldmine I saw BMF/SOMMS being auctioned, >starting Bid $40.00.the address of the auctioneer was from Seattle. after living here (seattle) for a few months it is my impression that most music stores here think their shit doesn't stink when it comes to prices for local music. if you want collectable seattle music stuff then seattle is the *last* place you should look, since they treat items like they are gold or something. christ one store over in bellevue had the first three pearl jam fan club singles for $75 each. they are worth more like $40, $25, and $20 for the '91, '92 and '93, respectively. and as far as i'm concerned the '95 single is worth $5 (what you pay for it) since there are well over 100,000 copies of it floating around, yet stores here get one and say it's "rare" and want $50 for it. there are probably more '95 fan club singles out there than there were of the 7" spin the black circle single that i see in stores all the time for $5. these stores do not get my money. i'd rather go to places that aren't out to financially rape people. :) Chris ------------------------------ From: HQXH39C@prodigy.com (MR SEAN M MCELENY) Subject: alanta tickets left? i havent checked my mail recently so i completely missed the news about the alants show but i would like to know if anyone here has bou8ght tickets recently and if any are left. i live in Fairfax Va and plan to drive there on the friday before it, Im also going to the Charlestown Wva show but i really would like to see them at their own show. sean ------------------------------ From: HQXH39C@prodigy.com (MR SEAN M MCELENY) Subject: "its perfect" i dont think this has been dicussed but can anyone besides me hear someone( it sounds like Matt to me) say " its perfect" at the begining of Switch Opens. he says it real quick before the intro. i noticed it on a tape i made from the vynil and i can hear it on the cd. Ive also listened to Bootcamp alot and in my opinion this is about the incident where Chris publicly trashed Micheal Jackson. the lyrics seem to be in his point of view about having to be perfect and pure when you're a celebrity and being politicaly correct. Like everyone has to be a perfect stalwart clone ( i borrowed that from a Bad Religion song) . I have a surround sound system and i tried to set it diofferent ways so maybe just the background mumblings could be heard but it didnt work because in all cases the guitar was with it. I also did that with some other songs and it can make cool effects , like in the song Superunknown the guitar( sounds like Chris's) is isolated and thats all you can hear. ayway i keep thinking i hear Micheal Jackson and 500 dollars being uttered in that opening mysterious voice. sean ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: found on yahoo "Unofficial Soundgarden - the unofficial site of an awesome band. Just made 100,000 hits! This is the place that all the other Soundgarden sites rip off (and you know who you are). " http://www.yahoo.com/Entertainment/Cool_Links/Surfers__Picks/Andy/ too true. ;-) ------------------------------ From: Neuromute@aol.com Subject: auction >you are most certainly entitled to ask whatever price you like for the >record, but considering that you told me that you got your copy of SOMMS >for $15, to "start the bidding" at $30 seems a tad on the profiteering >side when you are amongst fans. ummmm....so it's ok to charge a premium amongst people who hate Soundgarden? Good luck.... By the way, last time I checked, it was still a profiteering country...just ask Matt Cameron.... Peace...Brian - -- and I hope it's a sweet ride...... ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: auction On Fri, 28 Jun 1996 Neuromute@aol.com wrote: > ummmm....so it's ok to charge a premium amongst people who hate Soundgarden? > > Good luck.... > > By the way, last time I checked, it was still a profiteering country...just > ask Matt Cameron.... i don't give a fuck if matt cameron himself came on here and said he thought it was okay. if you want to take advantage of your fellow human beings, go right ahead. but i'm sure you'll be real grateful when you're dying for a ticket to see sg and your fellow sommsite charges you 300% or more over face value. i think it's low and sleazy and i'll have no part of it. i don't think it makes me stupid or gullible or less of a good businessperson. i don't think it was right. you do. but don't trash me for being an ethical human being. disgusted, - --caryn ------------------------------ From: stella Subject: Re: Chris & Siblings Ages? At 11:40 AM 6/28/96 -0500, you wrote: >If Chris wuz born in 1964(which he wuz) that would make him 31 goin on 32 >but yes he is the youngest of 6 children. Or at least I read that. Hey he >said correct him.Thank u drive thru! > > > > I'm only gonna say this one more time...chris is the youngest son not the youngest!! It's right in black and white in the Dec/Jan 1995 issue of RS. And I quote: "The youngest son in a large Catholic family ('I'm Bobby in the brady bunch,' he says)..." Yeah yeah yeah This is like the 3rd or 4th time I've said it but I swear its the last :) ==================================================================== stella / \ /\ | |_| / \ \ \ / /\ \ http://www.fix.net/~srogers _\ \tell /\ \ srogers@fix.net | | | / / \ \ \ / /__/ \__\ ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: RE: My Showbox story!...What is Lolla? Still way behind (170 to read and counting down), but I can't help = myself writing to you, after having read Caryn's, Bonnie's and Toni's = reviews of the concert. They were GREAT, girls! :-) As I wrote = Bonnie, just reading them made me feel like I was there. I could = identify with everything you wrote! Oooooh, the excitement. [catching my breath] I really hope those of you who go to the Lolla concerts give us similar = reviews. I would love to read any detail you can remember about them. = Even about the other bands - Metallica and You Am I in particular. = [please?] How many bands play at Lollapalooza anyway? How many stages play at = once? And how long does each concert go for? Anything like the = Australian "Big Day Out" concerts - where they have around 30 bands = playing for over 12 straight hours, outdoors, on three or four different = stages in fairly close proximity? Toni wrote: >>OK one last thing! Does it mean I am really too old to be doin this shit when someone standing next = to me watching me jump around, scream and sweat. Leans over and in complete sincerity asks me, "Are you the Mother of one of the guys in the band?" = If I hadn't been in such a good mood I would of slapped the bitch!! I = told her I'm old but not that old! And I didn't have sex at 12 or 13 and = give birth to Ben. GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!! =20 Gotta tell you Toni, I laughed out loud at this one. Can just picture = you!! :-) >>Sorry for the long post!=20 Don't be. Carolyn the Melting Fever Can I buy you some jewellery or something? Can I buy you a dress or = something? Would you go out with me or something? Would you sleep with = me or something? - - the one and only Violent Femmes ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: RE: Pretty Noose Video/Other Stuff Ang (ASDrum) wrote: >>>>.......Let's look at Pearl Jam, shall we? Chris Mansfield replied: >>yes, let's. >>>>I used to love this band. Now I'm just tired of Eddie's incessant = whining. >>*what* incessant whining are you referring to?........... >>.......here's the flaw in your argument -- you can pick any two shows, = one by each band, for this comparison, and sway it either way you like depending on which band you like more at the moment. >>>>So this diatribe is just meant to say, be thankful Soundgarden are = the way >they are. Ultimately, what matters is the music, and how they treat = their >fans. I, for one, am pretty happy on both accounts. >>and i am thankful pearl jam are the way they are, for a lot of the = same reasons. >>i just think the scenarios you've presented are an awfully narrow view = of the big picture... I'm with you on that one, Chris. A very well-presented argument about a = band I (and a damn lot of other people on this Somms list) love. Not to = say that I (and that same damn lot of other people on this Somms list!) = don't love Soundgarden just as much. All I can say is I'm jealous of BOTH Ang and Chris, for having been = lucky enough to see BOTH Soundgarden and Pearl Jam..............when = poor little me stuck down in Australia has seen neither! :-( Carolyn the Motor Fingers (with only 155 to go - yahoo!) I can take what you've been pushing......Soundgarden I just want to scream "hello"........Pearl Jam ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: Well Planned Pause Listening to DOTU now (gee it's great to have a CD-Rom - how did I ever = cope without one?), to one of my favourites, "Never Named". I would have to say that this song holds one of the most well-planned = pauses in history: "And I look like a man, and I feel=20 [pause] like an ant." I LOVE it!! :-) Also love the two little solos in this song. Cool Plus! The = instruments used on DOTU, and especially in "Never Named" sound = brilliant. Does anyone else like that song just as much as me? Or = maybe it's the punk lover coming out in me........... See ya, Carolyn the Mighty Fisherman Coloured lights appear on either side of where I stand; Time has come for ears to numb & eyeballs to expand......Sidewinder ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: RE: commercialism, part 2... Outshined wrote: >>Soundgarden exists for only one reason : to create music. and in my opinion they do it better than anyone else. and they've been doing it in many different and creative ways for years. any amount of concerts and commercials does not change the music. they did not go out and create a special song just for that stupid beer commercial. Anything that does not directly effect the music is irrelevant. >>again, my $0.02... (I don't have enough $$$ for this! :) comments? violent disagreements? post 'em. No arguments from me, Outshined! I agree with you 100%. Cheers, Carolyn the Massaging Fairy Screw that, forget about that - I don't wanna think about anything like that.....Therapy? ------------------------------ From: Heather Aston Subject: Hammer of the Gods-what does it mean? In April of 1994, spin had an article about SG titled "Hammer of the Gods." Today I was at the bookstore and saw a book with the same title, which, if I remember correctly, was about Led Zepplin. Then, in the most recent issue of the magazine "Paper", a writer made reference to "Oasis' tiresome Hammer of the Gods behavior." The phrase seems to imply rock star like behavior. But in the SG article, the writer didn't seem to feel SG were like that. So why that title? ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: Hammer of the Gods-what does it mean? On Sat, 29 Jun 1996, Heather Aston wrote: > In April of 1994, spin had an article about SG titled "Hammer of the Gods." > Today I was at the bookstore and saw a book with the same title, which, if > I remember correctly, was about Led Zepplin. Then, in the most recent issue > of the magazine "Paper", a writer made reference to "Oasis' tiresome Hammer > of the Gods behavior." The phrase seems to imply rock star like behavior. > But in the SG article, the writer didn't seem to feel SG were like that. So > why that title? i will try to offer my theory here (which is, of course, just my theory): the 'hammer of the gods' label bestowed upon led zep in the 60's was a compliment. the norse god thing, robert plant's blonde tresses, comparison of their sound to that of the norse god thor, etc etc etc. then that tell-all, in-the-edgewater-with-the-shark, jimmy-with-miss-pamela-and-the-whips book came out, using the same title. so henceforth, the association is that of the rockstar antics, and not the former positive association... - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Neuromute@aol.com Subject: Fwd: auction > ummmm....so it's ok to charge a premium amongst people who hate Soundgarden? > > Good luck.... > > By the way, last time I checked, it was still a profiteering country...just > ask Matt Cameron.... >'t give a fuck if matt cameron himself came on here and said he >thought it was okay. if you want to take advantage of your fellow human >beings, go right ahead. but i'm sure you'll be real grateful when you're >dying for a ticket to see sg and your fellow sommsite charges you 300% or >more over face value. i think it's low and sleazy and i'll have no part >of it. i don't think it makes me stupid or gullible or less of a good >businessperson. i don't think it was right. you do. but don't trash me >for being an ethical human being. >disgusted, >--caryn caryn...there was an intended element of irony in my statements...don't you think? It can be interpreted two ways...it wasn't in any way intended to be a direct slam on your opinion, really. My point was a bit sarcastic, but that's me....it slammed as much on Mr. Cameron as much as it sarcasticly treated your statements...so don't be so offended. I admire your outspokeness, yet you sometimes seem less than willing to tolerate it from others.... Friends...Brian - --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Re: auction Date: 96-06-29 01:06:37 EDT From: Neuromute To: clr@nwlink.com caryn...there was an intended element of irony in my statements...don't you think? It can be interpreted two ways...it wasn't in any way intended to be a direct slam on your opinion, really. My point was a bit sarcastic, but that's me....it slammed as much on Mr. Cameron as much as it sarcasticly treated your statements...so don't be so offended. I admire your outspokeness, yet you sometimes seem less than willing to tolerate it from others.... Friends...Brian ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: Re: Hammer of the Gods-what does it mean? At 12:31 AM 06/29/96 EDT, you wrote: >In April of 1994, spin had an article about SG titled "Hammer of the Gods." >Today I was at the bookstore and saw a book with the same title, which, if >I remember correctly, was about Led Zepplin. Then, in the most recent issue >of the magazine "Paper", a writer made reference to "Oasis' tiresome Hammer >of the Gods behavior." The phrase seems to imply rock star like behavior. >But in the SG article, the writer didn't seem to feel SG were like that. So >why that title? Immigrants Song: (Led Zeppelin - III 1970) I come from the land of the ice and snow from the midnight sun..where the hot springs blow.... The "Hammer of the Gods"...will drive our ships to new lands to find a home...sing and cry... Valhalla...I am coming... On we sweep...with thrashing oar... our only goal will be the western shore! so tonight you'd better stop and rebuild all your ruins for peace and trust will win the day despite of all your losin' The "hammer of the gods" term is from Norse Mythology. Steve ------------------------------ From: Heather Aston Subject: Auctions Blind Dog, I saw that you had a copy of SOMMS for sale for $100. This might be a stupid question but is $100 Australian equal to $100 American? ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 168] ****************************************