From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 27 Jun 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 02:54:13 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Thursday, 27 Jun 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Re: are we going to see some somms tshirts anytime soon? shirt order twist!! SG COMPILATION TAPES Songs I hated, then loved Northern CA, Lolla Bill + SG Selling out STuFF Re: Bill + SG Re: SG on TV Re: SG on TV AiTS Molsongate Re: STuFF re: STuFF Re: Molsongate Re: molsongate... aka SG selling out lucky day Re: SG COMPILATION TAPES i wash my hands of the whole affair... For my sanity Iowa on Friday Re: Shirts in Iowa! Re: STuFF Re: Molsongate my $0.02 In Concert FS: HIV Baby/Room 1000 years wide on purple (black, too) devilhead Re: i wash my hands of the whole affair... The future of the Unofficial Soundgarden Homepage [Fwd: Re: Soundgarden at the Showbox] forgive me if i'm wrong....... Soundgarden: The Book lolla questions... Re: forgive me if i'm wrong....... soundgarden and study.....???... ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Chris Mackenzie Subject: Re: are we going to see some somms tshirts anytime soon? Do many people out there have a bubble jet printer??? Canon makes t-shirt transfers. They say they only work with Canon printers but thats bull-shit. I have a HP printer and they work fine on it. Anyways... if you have a bubble jet printer you can make a t-shirt transfer with Canon's special thingy's and then iron it on to a plain white shirt. It may look kinda generic, but at least it would be a way to recognize/find people. Or theres always the cliche: "I'll be wearing a red plaid flannel shirt and really ugly green pants with pink polka dots and a hat that says 'I Love Donuts'...." Whichever works I guess... ------------------------------ From: LikeSuicide Subject: shirt order twist!! fellow bleeders, so i guess you people will be getting your somms shirts pretty soon, eyh.... can anyone be kind enough to get an extra shirt for me..... i'll have my sister (who works in the USA) to contact you and have the shirt paid (to you) then she'll just send it to me.....seeing as how hard it is to process foreign orders and such.... make it xl, pls... ' kick me to attention ' - KillYrBF (RVN) ------------------------------ From: Malvol7@aol.com Subject: SG COMPILATION TAPES I'm still getting e-mails asking for the address to order the SG Compilation videos (there are 2 available now...and the 3rd one is still in progress). Please make a note of this: PJSTARR@aol.com They're great compilations...you won't be disappointed! ------------------------------ From: Candy Haun Subject: Songs I hated, then loved Hi Toni, Vikki, Jamie, Flutter Girl, Bonnie, everyone! Thanks for making me feel welcome. > > I'm a "sensitive > > type" person and usually care what others think, but this "arena" has > > toughened me up some. I still care what my friends think though. I can relate to that. I'm sensitive, too and also shy (Oh, no! They might be mean to me!!) so I think this will be a good experience for me. > I can appreciate your "pain" of living in OK. I lived in Lawton for > almost three years. What a change from WA. It really made me > appreciate home when I moved back. Lost of trees, green grass, bodies > of water, brown - not red - dirt. And REAL mountains. They had Mount > John and it was a hill that you drove to the top with a parking lot. > But yikes, the tarantulas, that was an eye-opener! Wow, you escaped! I've never been to Lawton that I can remember, but I know where it is. Hope to visit WA someday--it looks beautiful in photos I've seen. Don't they have some really good bands there? One in particular, but I can't think of their name right now--something about noise and growing vegetables. > > ...and also that it is perfectly acceptable to be a sg fan and *not* like > > them! I sure do agree with that! In fact, I'd be really surprised if alot of SG fans did like IS considering the difference in their music. The one thing we can agree on is that we're SG fans. Beyond that, well...it's a good thing we don't agree on everything or there wouldn't be much to discuss. Come to think of it, I didn't like them much the first time I listened to their music, and I can say the same for SG, too. And I hated TOTD at first because it wasn't what I expected. Then I went on to play the cassette until it wore out. It's funny how the SG songs I liked the least initially (Drawing Flies, JCP, Face Pollution come to mind), often become my favorites. Obviously, one reason for this is because most of SG's music isn't exactly the most accessible stuff you've ever listened to, or maybe I'm just slow catching on. Well, enough of this inane babbling... Candy ------------------------------ From: DKAASC@tevm2.nsc.com Subject: Northern CA, Lolla FROM: Kazam Ali Personal Computer/Network Specialist National Semiconductor-Computer and Network Support SUBJECT: Northern CA, Lolla Hey all, One of the local radio stations up here (98.5 KOME or 92.3 KSJO, can't remember which)has been advertising that the Northern CA Lolla date is going to be Friday, Aug 2nd @ San Jose State Spartan Stadium. Tickets are supposedly going on sale this Wednesday, June 26th at 10:00 AM. Just thought people might wanna know. Kazam "The key to immortality is first living a life worth remembering." - Brandon Bruce Lee Feb. 1, 1965 - Mar. 31, 1993 \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ------------------------------ From: Cecilia Filiplic Subject: Bill + SG Erin wrote: I saw that show a year or two ago, and I remember being disappointed because they only talked to Kim. Does anybody know how Bill managed to snag SG for the show? Why didn't the other members get interviewed? Do I just not remember? Just wondering, Cecilia ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: Selling out I wonder if any of you people who are ripping Soundgarden for their "commercialism" have considered the fact that DOTU was self-produced? Now, I don't know much about the recording industry, but doesn't that mean that they made most of the decisions regarding content, etc.? Perhaps the older albums, (which I love dearly, but I think DOTU is better) which some of you think are superior to DOTU, may NOT have been our guys being true to themselves and their music, but DOTU, which they produced themselves, IS being true to themselves and their music? Maybe the sound on DOTU is what they always wanted and couldn't do because of other pressures. Maybe now that they can produce their own stuff they can finally do what they always wanted to do. Its possible that the albums you think are better are actually not what Soundgarden themselves would consider their best efforts. In fact, I think I remember reading that Chris in particular wasn't happy with the situation surrounding Ultramega OK, or maybe it was Screaming Life and FOPP, (does anyone else remember anything about this?) I should look it up, I'm sure I have it somewhere. Anyway, consider the fact that this album was self-produced. I don't have anything to say about the Molson thing because I think too much has been made of it, but I can't imagine SG "selling out" and I truly don't think they have. Of course I also think DOTU is the best work they've done, so maybe I just don't know music. All I know is I still love Soundgarden and find each and every album unique and special. Kathie ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: STuFF Guess what, kiddies? I've devised the PERFECT plan for kidnapping someone!! As far as I can see, it's flawless. Right down to the secret bomb shelter I'd keep the person at. NOT that I have any one person in mind, of course. ;) Y'know... if Chris (Cornell, HAHAHAHA Dena!!) mysteriously disappeared, I'll betcha that I'd get put on the list of suspects. Heheheh... Silver Mgmt is keeping tabs on me. What, me paranoid? Naaaaah... Anyway... yes, I'm *fully* babbling (sleep deprivation, my eternal excuse). Let's see... do I have ANYTHING constructive to say here? Ummm... well, there is something I've been meaning to say, but hadn't had time to post about. I'm happy that Mattster decided to write to us, but I found his letter to be just a bit patronizing. "I commend you all on your diligent fascination." Awwww... gee, thanks!! Us little people appreciate the hell out of it!! Most of you listers who "know" me are probably laughing right now, 'cuz I seldom ever share any feelings on the band/music... outside of stuff about Chris' sexy body. And maybe I AM being a tad over sensitive about all this. But the tone of Matt's letter just kinda irked me. And I suppose that all the "let's kiss ass now that we know for sure that the band is listening" posts made me feel a little embarrassed. Why? Hell if I know. It's probably just the drugs. Hmmmm... I might as well jump on the bandwagon and kiss ass, too. Maybe I'll get something out of it!! Like information... "HEY MATT!! Bend it over, and get ready, baby!! Here I go: You're an AMAZING drummer!! You totally blow that guy from Green Day away!! ;) That stuff you did on Hater was pretty cool, too. You should definitely do more side projects!! And that Puberty Love thing was AWESOME!! ROFL!! (Damn but I'm good at this brown nosing stuff... I should be in public relations.) Heheheh... say... since we're being all buddy-buddy like this... let me ask you something. Have you ever seen Chris nake......... ummmm.... nah, never mind." ;) Shroom the succubus (coming soon to a bedroom near you!!) ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... *** Chris Cornell | |.| |.| |\./| "She drinkin' my JackDaniels |\./| and smokin' all my weed" .\ |\./| /. ~~Andy Wood, MLB \-.\ |\\.//| /.-/ \--./\ |\\.//| /\.--/ \--.| \ |\\.//| / |.--/ \---.|\ |\./| /|.---/ \--.|\ |\./| /|.--/ \ .\ |.| /. / _ -_- \ \\ // / -_- _ - -/_/_/- | | -\_\_\- - /_\ ------------------------------ From: erin@planet.eon.net Subject: Re: Bill + SG >I saw that show a year or two ago, and I remember being disappointed >because they only talked to Kim. >Does anybody know how Bill managed to snag SG for the show? Why didn't >the other members get interviewed? >Do I just not remember? Matt was the main person who talked.. He was being pretty sarcastic. It was funny.. I don't remember seeing Ben but he may have been there.. I've actually seen two different versions. In one there are all the outtakes and Matt is talking at the end saying "Oh, you want me to act? You want to me to be an Ac-tor?" In the other, they edited out the whole last minute or so out outtakes.. I've also heard Spoonman playing over the closing credits of Bill Nye a couple of times.. I don't know how he got them, but since it films in Seattle, he probably just asked.. Erin. ------------------------------ From: sfox@mailer.fsu.edu (Stephen Fox) Subject: Re: SG on TV >This may have been talked about a long time ago, but did anyone else see SG >on Bill Nye the Science Guy (I have a little brother, ok?) on PBS? It was >on the show on sound. They showed them in the studio remixing Kickstand. >Anyway, I don't know if PBS counts as a network or not, but I was just >wondering because of this talk about SG on TV... > >Just more meaningless info from me. > >Erin. > > > > This was on a few years ago,during the first season, but the band did not make an appearance. They showed Bill Nye in the studio (Bad Animals-that's where the show's post-production is done) with Brendan O'Brien mixing SuperUnknown. They discussed how a mixing board was like a big stereo, but that you could turn up individual instruments, one at a time. They started with the drums, then the bass, and by the time everything was in the mix, "Kickstand" was playing. Check out their site: http://nyelabs.kcts.org/nyeverse/shows/e112.html. This is the page for that episode (I have it Bookmarked, ya know.) Also, if you look around, there is a version of the "Bill Nye the Science Guy" theme song done by Mudhoney. Well worth a listen: http://nyelabs.kcts.org/goodies/sounds.html Great Big Noise, Stephen R. Fox sfox@mailer.fsu.edu ------------------------------ From: erin@planet.eon.net Subject: Re: SG on TV >This was on a few years ago,during the first season, but the band did not >make an appearance. They showed Bill Nye in the studio (Bad Animals-that's So, those people I saw who looked exactly like Matt and Kim were just figments of my imagination? Hmmmmmm.. Erin. ------------------------------ From: Cornell Subject: AiTS Well, my dad, brother and I built a new computer for my mom's business, also to be kinda a family comp (she works at home). We finally got the 2 meg vid card working, CDROM, Win 95, the whole schmiel done today. Guess what the first thing i tried to run was: THAT'S RIGHT! ALIVE IN THE SUPERUNKNOWN!!! AND IT FUCKING ROCKS! I can't wait to get back into it. I feel bad for all of you who can't use it...like i couldn't for 6 months... Sorry...it's so fucking cool tho. GRegg "Don't come over here and piss on my gate. Save it, ___________ just keep it off my Wave" --My Wave, Soundgarden | | | Soul Sick | "Go avay or i vill taunt you a zecond time" anonymous |___________| French man. melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net ------------------------------ From: Heather Aston Subject: Molsongate I knew that SG had played the Moson concert a few weeks ago. But I've read on the newsgroup that one of SG's songs in a Molson commercial. I haven't seen this commerial, has anyone on here seen it? ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: STuFF On Wed, 26 Jun 1996 ShRooMGrLz@aol.com wrote: > post about. I'm happy that Mattster decided to write to us, but I found his > letter to be just a bit patronizing. "I commend you all on your diligent > fascination." Awwww... gee, thanks!! Us little people appreciate the hell > out of it!! Most of you listers who "know" me are probably laughing right > now, 'cuz I seldom ever share any feelings on the band/music... outside of > stuff about Chris' sexy body. And maybe I AM being a tad over sensitive > about all this. But the tone of Matt's letter just kinda irked me. And I > suppose that all the "let's kiss ass now that we know for sure that the band > is listening" posts made me feel a little embarrassed. Why? Hell if I know. hrmmmm... i have to say that i really kinda disagree. i thought that his post was actually very respectful, which surprised the fuck out of me (tho it shouldn't have). most bands when they reach the level that sg has really start to forget about their fans, or forget what it was like to be a fan, and speak to us in words of one syllable. as to the 'i commend you..' statement, i thought it was a nice, non-kiss ass, non-patronizing way to say 'i think it's cool that there are 500 of you who want to talk about my band EVERY DAY'. when the smashing pumpkins were in seattle and they did their 'meet billy and ask him questions event' one fan asked, 'how does it feel to be in a room with a bunch of people who are totally obsessed with you'. billy responded by saying, "one, i would ask 'why', two, i would say, 'don't you have anything better to do, three, i would say, 'thank you'." i thought that was a particularly touching yet not patronizing answer... and matt's mail kinda reminded me of that attitude... i also was kinda proud on how the list *did not* change its attitude since getting that mail from matt. there were one or two cute comments, but there wasn't a barrage of people drastically changing their behavior. christ, someone purportely from pearl jam's management showed up on the newsgroup and was *waaaaay* patronizing and insulting and the amount of people who kissed butt big time was just huge. *that* was embarassing. shroom, you've been too quiet lately! ;-) where ya been???? oh, i know seth doesn't want to do promo for the web site, but my pictures from the show last thursday are now up on the site.... ;-) - --caryn ------------------------------ From: erin@planet.eon.net Subject: re: STuFF >post about. I'm happy that Mattster decided to write to us, but I found his >letter to be just a bit patronizing. "I commend you all on your diligent >fascination." Awwww... gee, thanks!! Us little people appreciate the hell >out of it!! Most of you listers who "know" me are probably laughing right >now, 'cuz I seldom ever share any feelings on the band/music... outside of >stuff about Chris' sexy body. And maybe I AM being a tad over sensitive >about all this. But the tone of Matt's letter just kinda irked me. Yeah, it was a little bit patronizing.. I don't think it was intentional, though (I hope not anyway). I guess it's kind of hard to sit there and read about people totally idolizing you though.. It doesn't matter all that much to me whether or not it was patronizing though because I like SG's music regardless of what the people in SG are like (not that I'm making judgement on anyone's character, though). Did anyone else notice how the volume of mail dropped after Matt's letter or is it just my paranoid mind? Who knows? (well, I'm sure somebody does but I sure as hell don't). Erin. ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: Molsongate I've seen the commercial. I digitized ithe audio and sent it to Seth. He hasn't posted it on the page yet. For those without web access, or who are too lazy to download it, here is a transcription: Voice: What was the upside to being in a tiny little club in Vancouver on June 15th? Soundgarden. 500 people from across Canada discovered the Superunknown the minute Soundgarden hit the stage. Molson Canadian Rocks' Blind Date. Enter the Unknown. That's it. Just image of a club, actors dancing, mixing sound, and at the end, the line up in the club is shaped like a question mark. Geoff On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, Heather Aston wrote: > I knew that SG had played the Moson concert a few weeks ago. But I've > read on the newsgroup that one of SG's songs in a Molson commercial. I > haven't seen this commerial, has anyone on here seen it? > ------------------------------ From: vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu (Vasant Ramamurthy) Subject: Re: molsongate... aka SG selling out This recent talk of Soundgarden selling out sickens me. I really don't think Soundgarden has done anything to warrant this questioning of them. Sure, as fans, we're allowed to criticize them for anything, but I don't see what they have done to make us even bring up this topic. >songs like black hole sun and burden in my hand have come >under fire here for being a very-much watered down version of soundgarden, >circa 1991 and badmotorfinger. I personally don't like Black Hole Sun because I don't think it's a good song. But some list members don't like it because some "fake" types have latched on to it. Well, that isn't anybody's fault that the song has been misused, in a sense. And it sure as hell isn't Soundgarden's fault. > I agree that the music has changed to some degree. you would >certainly hear black hole sun, burden in my hand or pretty noose on the >radio or on a (it hurts me to say it) commercial before you heard get >on the snake or new damage. but is this a conscious move by the band >towards consumerism, or just the typical evolution of a band? I would go >for the latter. I can't see why people would be so down on their new >record. is melodicism such a bad thing? are songs like blow up the >outside world and like suicide bad songs because they sound nice? better >yet, are they bad *soundgarden* songs? the answer is (to me, anyway) no. Damn straight. No band stays the same from first album to last album. It's as simple as that. You can name any band you want; their debut album doesn't sound like their last or most recent album. Any band: Pearl Jam (compare Ten and Vitalogy), Nirvana (Bleach and In Utero), Led Zeppelin (I and In Through the Out Door; vast difference), Smashing Pumpkins (Gish and MCIS) and the list infinitely goes on. For argument's sake, I named my favorite bands. The same is with Soundgarden (Screaming Life/Fopp and DOTU). Bands undeniably change musically over time. Period. Many would say DOTU is the most commercial Soundgarden album. IMHO, it isn't. Superunknown is. Incredible as the album is, it also contains the most "radio-friendly" tunes. DOTU reminds me a lot of the good old days, back around 1987 and 1988, the Screaming Life/Fopp/Ultramega OK era. For example, you could substitute Applebite for 665/667 on UOK. And An Unkind would also nicely fit on that album. Never Named and Never the Machine Forever could be on SL/Fopp. Basically, the point is, after Superunknown, I believe Soundgarden has reverted to its dirtier (and better) past. Now, regarding selling out. I believe selling out means when a band changes its attitude, appearance, and music, in order to become more popular. Has Soungarden changed its attitude? No, they cared about the music then, and they care about it now. Have they changed their appearance? No, well Chris yes, but the rest haven't, and Kim has had that same bitchin' beard for god knows how long. Have they changed their music? No, like I said before, DOTU can be likened to the earlier stuff. Soundgarden has not done any of the above. They have not sold out. End of story. Vasant ****************************************************************************** THE REFUGE OF THE DAMNED - Check out lots o' music stuff here!! http://ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu/~vman/me.html vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu "When new damage comes, it's a new word for plague, a new world order, a new word for hate" - New Damage - Soundgarden ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: lucky day Hey, I just got a copy of AITS in the mail today. I examined the packaging for 10 minutes, but the only hint of the cd's origin was a reference to Seattle. I finally looked inside and a slip of paper read, "Congratulations! You are an iMusic winner! Enclosed is the Soundgarden CD Plus Sampler you won from IMusic". I'm trying to remmeber what contest this was. Wasn't that the one with the snowboard? It must have been. Oh well, I'm a winner. Anybody else win anything?? Geoff ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: SG COMPILATION TAPES On Wed, 26 Jun 1996 Malvol7@aol.com wrote: > I'm still getting e-mails asking for the address to order the SG Compilation > videos (there are 2 available now...and the 3rd one is still in progress). > Please make a note of this: > > PJSTARR@aol.com > They're great compilations...you won't be disappointed! wouldn't it be great if someone on this list organized a tape tree so that we all didn't have to patronize bootleggers? i mean... why should this person continue to make money off of sg's music? bootleggers are pond scum, they're as bad as ticket scalpers... i have practically zero sg to offer, or i'd do it. - --caryn ------------------------------ Subject: i wash my hands of the whole affair... From: seth i redid the fork image for the shirts again last night and made it available to nothingman, so it's out of my hands now. i will be organizing a list-wide lynch mob should he fail to come through this time. everyone's invited. seth ------------------------------ From: Moonsta693@aol.com Subject: For my sanity I have this friend of mine who has now converted to a big SG fan, and wanted to know if she could still order a shirt. I wasn't sure, so, if anyone could tell me if you can or can't, I'd be very happy! Toots! The original Preety Noose ------------------------------ From: Mayor McCheese Subject: Iowa on Friday Grote and others going to the Iowa Lolla: I decided since I won't have my list shirt, I'll probably be wearing a "Badmoterfinger" t-shirt. I will wear the "fork" on the outside of whatever I wear, and there is a good chance whoever you see with a fork is either me or Chris Cornell himself so . . . I don't bite so come on up and scream "HI!" as loud as you can in my ear. Mayor McCheese XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX *** Time to Play the McCheese "Name the Fav" Game *** Just Reply to me with the Song Title and Artist And I'll tell you your cool or something "It's on Amerika's tortured brow Mickey Mouse has grown up a cow . . ." ------------------------------ From: "B. Kinser" Subject: Re: Shirts in Iowa! I'll be there! I don't know what I'll be wearing but If you see a big motherfucker with a tatoo on his right calf (a chinese "k") then that's me. You can for sure find me at the second stage during RUBY. Brian ------------------------------ From: "Jean G. Bruns" Subject: Re: STuFF > oh, i know seth doesn't want to do promo for the web site, but my > pictures from the show last thursday are now up on the site.... ;-) > --caryn SWEET photos! nice setlist too ... thanks for sharing lucky people :) jean ------------------------------ From: erin@planet.eon.net Subject: Re: Molsongate >I knew that SG had played the Moson concert a few weeks ago. But I've >read on the newsgroup that one of SG's songs in a Molson commercial. I >haven't seen this commerial, has anyone on here seen it? Yeah.. Pretty Noose. It starts out "What was the upside to being in Vancouver on ________ (the date)? Soundgarden!" Or something like that. It's an ok commercial. Erin. ------------------------------ From: dwy2@po.CWRU.Edu (Dun W. Yu) Subject: my $0.02 Hey guys, wussup. I haven't been on the digest for a while. I've been basically reading the digest and chilling. However, I read some stuff that got me thinking. But before I start, I just want to extend some major props to the boys in SG. They have earned my respect continuously over the years, and it doesn't look like things are gonna change. Now on to the goods: To Jeremy: You are entirely correct. "Right Turn" is my favorite song on Sap because of Chris. When his low voice comes in, it totally bolsters Layne's high melody line. Add Mark's third voice and you have some serious scrotom shrivelling music going on. It's so cool, it kicked my boo-tay the first time I heard it, and it hasn't failed in doing so every time since. I must add that of the three singers, Chris gets the most props, if only for his really wide range of singing. If you listen to the end of the song, Chris just starts screaming "well, it's hard to believe..."man, it is soooo intense. To Caryn Rose & Chris Mansfield: I really appreciate the fact that SOMEONE is sticking up for Eddie. To whoever wrote that ranting tirade against PJ; you had some valid points, but it was still wrong to dis PJ. Eddie and co. tried to do something for the fans; ie., toppling Ticketmaster. Obviously, it was a flaming failure, but that isn't the point. At least they tried. Blaming the whole deal with the aborted tour on the band is just wrong. As for that whole "PJ selects crappy venues and security teams" thing; wrong. Eddie is a well documented supporter of stopping moshing. They've fired security teams before (in Australia) for being too rowdy with the kids, and Eddie's gone off on morons who mosh to songs like Daughter and Black. PJ couldn't really help their venues: how many places do you know that do not have exclusive contracts with Ticketmaster? Not a whole lot, are there? IMHO, PJ's not touring/releasing a new album cuz they're simply not ready to just yet. Hopefully, that will change. We all know why Kurt decided to blow himself away- he felt that his music's purity was being diluted/commercialized. He wrote In Utero to piss off the bandwagon jumpers, but it only made him more famous. Finally, he couldn't take performing and writing anymore. He felt he was just posing/acting it out for the kids. Basically, he crossed the line where he wrote and performed for everyone but himself. The realization of that and the accomponying guilt caused him to exit stage left, as it were. I think Eddie's in the same position--he just doesn't want to fake it anymore. Until he regains his sense of musical purity, I think PJ is gonna be out of commission. Perhaps that's why Billy Corgan wrote Bullet w/Butterfly wings; "but can you fake it for just one more show?" On the flip side, SG have handled their fame very well--another reason why they kick booty. All in all, they're one of the few bands that consistently improves as they get older. Now how many bands do that? Dun-Wei Yu ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: In Concert > From: overfloater@thenexus.com > Subject: soundgarden on network tv > > snl has been the first time soundgarden's performed on network tv.. but > i saw a show called In Concert on abc when superunknown came out and it > had a lil interview with kim and matt and it had a lil bit of live > footage.. it was ok i guess, nothign spectacular.. anyone else seen it? > I have that show (the In Concert) on tape. Actually I was pretty disappointed when I waited up to see that show. Definitely nothing spectacular. Kathie ------------------------------ From: John Bacus Subject: FS: HIV Baby/Room 1000 years wide on purple (black, too) I'm selling my extra copies of HIV Baby/Room 1000 years wide. I have both the black and grape vinyl versions. This is the promo single that Sub Pop sent out to single club members. MB on grape = $20 MB on black = $15 ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: devilhead *blink* how could i forget? the lead singer of devilhead is...brian wood (yes, as in andy) the guitar player is...kevin wood (yes, as in) couldn't fucking tell from their stage presence, though. *humpf* - --caryn ------------------------------ From: ADDC Subject: Re: i wash my hands of the whole affair... On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, seth wrote: > i redid the fork image for the shirts again last night and made it > available to nothingman, so it's out of my hands now. > > i will be organizing a list-wide lynch mob should he fail to come > through this time. everyone's invited. > > seth > This might come off as a dumb question but did anyone on here give Nothingman your money? I was just wondering. vincent - -hey i had to know- ------------------------------ Subject: The future of the Unofficial Soundgarden Homepage From: seth Our friend URB@NO has certainly outdone himself this time, diving headfirst into VRML and creating SOMMSLAND, which I predict will be the model for the future of the Unofficial SG Homepage as well as the type of thing you'll see on the vast majority of the Web. Due to the relative complexity of VRML (to HTML), it's going to be a long time, maybe even a year or more, before 3D worlds written in VRML become close to becoming standard, but it's never to early to start. So in the spirit of looking ahead, I'm pleased to announce the opening of URB@NO's creation at http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/vrml/ -- it's still very much in the construction phase, but definitely worth a look. You'll need VRML viewer software for this -- the best idea right now is to use Netscape 3.x with Live3D. Please check it out and send any suggestions you might have (and there are already plenty of things in the works) to me or to URB@NO (al703635@campus.ccm.itesm.mx). seth ------------------------------ From: Chris Mackenzie Subject: [Fwd: Re: Soundgarden at the Showbox] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------12944874144 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Found this on alt.music.soundgarden The imusic winner!!! - --------------12944874144 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Path: nr1van.istar!van.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!news.nstn.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!torn!newsfeed.internetmci.com!gatech!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!not-for-mail From: smlane@unity.ncsu.edu (Steve Lane\n\n\n\n\n) Newsgroups: alt.music.soundgarden,ncsu.soc Subject: Re: Soundgarden at the Showbox Followup-To: alt.music.soundgarden,ncsu.soc Date: 22 Jun 1996 07:01:39 GMT Organization: Inane Banter Lines: 194 Message-ID: <4qg5oj$o3p@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> References: <31CAB997.349F@ocean.washington.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc00du.unity.ncsu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Xref: nr1van.istar alt.music.soundgarden:6034 ncsu.soc:58 I won a trip to this concert courtesy of imusic, and here's my take. This is also my first post to this group. I'm woefully underknowledged on Soundgarden info compared to the rest of you, but I am a big fan, whatever that counts for (probably not much). It was probably the best show I've ever been to. Soundgarden can simply do anything they want to do right now, and that's speaking from a non-diehard perspective. I'm a bit disappointed in the material from DOTU compared with Superunknown, but I did like the "new" song they played... Darcy (vpatten@ocean.washington.edu) wrote: " We got there just as the opening band was to go on only to find a line " curving its way around the corner and well away from the doors. People " were actually *in line* for a general admission show. Amazing! Not amazing here in the Triangle. There were a couple of people offering body organs to go along with me, but my girlfriend won :). I agree that waiting in line (for a long time anyway) doesn't make much sense, as it was easy to muscle your way to the front at the show no matter when you arrived. Which I didn't do, as my GF is small and I didn't want her to be crushed. We settled on a spot dead - -center and about 10 people back and that turned out perfectly. " I took " about a half hour to make it to the door where we were metal detected (good " thing I left my gun at home) and pat searched. We got in line about 8:30 and it took about 20 mins for us. We came in just about when Devilface started. I had a bag of trinkets in my pocket that the dude wanted to check out but they were really cool about all that. " Devilhead opened (loosegroove band?). They were alright, but we weren't " quite interested in packing onto the floor just yet, I actually liked Devilhead quite a bit. The singer was quite a character. The rest of the players looked like rejects from Ratt, but the music was pretty good, especially the song where the Beck/Cobain wannabe sang. They were giving out free Devilhead single CDs after the show, and for some reason Erin & I each got one. I would buy their album if only out of curiosity :). " so we headed to the " bar for a beer and a shot of cuervo. We drank those pretty quickly and " decided it was time to jocky for position. No alcohol for the Lanes this night, tho it probably would've made the overly long Devilhead set (9 songs!) go more quickly. " We settled in in the middle left section of the floor, and about five " minutes later Soundgarden appeared on stage. They opened with a cover " of a doors tune, that for the life of me I can't think of the name. OK, ***THIS*** is what I'm extremely curious about. After the show I was swearing that the opener was Searching With My Good Eye Closed from BMF. But not sure, as I've only listened to BMF about 5 times (got it a month ago). BUT my GF swears the song was Waiting For The Sun by the Doors! So what's the DEAL? " The " sound was so big--seemed to fill the room perfectly. It was nice to " be in a place where my ears didn't have to settle for too much bass/too " much treble. The sound was perfect, but it probably wouldn't have been if it hadn't been set up for Cornell. Which means mainly that Cornell was never at the mercy of the low-fi setup. I got a little irked at Shepherd's bass feedback a few times, but that's a small complaint. " Squeezing through people unobtrusively takes a little doing, but if " you don't struggle and just kind flow on through, it's not too hard. You probably squeezed thru me then :). I don't care much for people who try to barrel their way into the crowd and put a hand on you and try to shove you out of the way. Luckily I'm big enough that I can give these people a shove back and put them on their ass on the floor :). If you want to move up in a crowd, the only way to do it is to be polite -- be willing to take some time to get up there and for heaven's sake DON'T SHOVE! And for ultra-heaven's sake DON'T SHOVE GIRLS!!! Unless you like getting kicked in the cojones... " I was able to get about ten feet from the stage--and there was actually " a little breathing room, so I hung for awhile, closed my eyes and " felt the crowd--felt the music. I really do kinda understand 'the pit' " mentality. It is incredible to flow with those around you. To feel their " energy. Pit stuff is cool. I moshed like a madman at a recent Rancid show. Couldn't do it at the ShowBox, and didn't really want to -- Soundgarden really isn't moshing music. And I had my GF to take care of. The key for moshers is to not bug people that don't want to mosh. Which sounds simple, but I suppose people get drunk and assume - -everyone- wants to mosh. Which is when they get a kick in the cojones. " Unfortunately a lot of times you end up feeling it a little " too forcefully. That's part of this kind of thing. How often do world-class artists play clubs with <1000 capacity ? We knew this and stayed 10 rows back. 'Twas a good decision. " The security guys did a really good job of keeping " things in line. Every time someone would try to crowd surf, they " would pull them down immediately and shine a flash light in their face. " One guy got kicked out really early on, and that probably did as much " for crowd control as anything else. Hee. We counted at least 11 people getting kicked out by security :), and that doesn't include the people at the front. Everyone got a good laugh at the two gays who couldn't get their joints lit getting led out -- those were the first. I'd never been to Seattle before, and I'm very impressed by the way the security acted. They bounced a lot of people, but as far as I could tell, they all -needed- to be bounced. " I stayed that close just long enough to work up a good sweat and experience " that part of the show. What songs were going on at that time ? " and it just made me really happy to " see so many people totally enjoying themselves. I thought the audience was rather mild. They certainly didn't know the DOTU songs; I don't know them that well, but there was virtually no reaction from the crowd when, say, Rhinosaur started. " Soundgarden stuck almost entirely to songs off of Superunknown and " the new album. I'm interesting in knowing the playlist. Here's what I've got: Searching With One Eye Closed / Waiting For The Sun (?) Let Me Drown Pretty Noose (below not in order) BMF: Outshined SU: Fell On Black Days, Black Hole Sun (solo by CC), Spoonman, 4th Of July. NO Mailman, My Wave, Superunknown, Day I Tried To Live, Head Down, Tendrils. But I'm a SU junkie :). " Chris did a solo of black hole sun that was just " incredible. I didn't care much for this one. CC seemed bored to me. I'd much prefer an acoustic or synthesized or (something funky) version myself. Maybe play Moby's version. " He seems as powerful as the first time I saw them open for Janes " Addiction--he just doesn't take his shirt off as much anymore. CC ruled the house in every aspect. He was thrilled and fully alive to be there, from the start to near the end. I noticed that the set was biased toward songs that CC wrote, but as a newbie I don't know what to make of that. " Their new material sounds so much more powerful live than recorded. " There's no mistaking it's not memorex. Oh Lordy this is damn straight. A lot of DOTU sounds flat, or at least makes you think "man I'd like to see Soundgarden really sink their teeth into this". And they did it at ShowBox. DOTU is full of great songs, but they're not particularly recorded well, and again, Soundgarden sounds flat on most of them. Not so live. I'd obviously love to find a boot of the ShowBox show :). " The peak was definitely the encore. Blah, I disagree. A massively long dull instrumental for an encore? No. I was hoping for My Wave / Mailman / Superunknown. My personal highlights right now are Let Me Drown, Ty Cobb, Spoonman, and Fell On Black Days. I thought the crowd got a little too wacky over Outshined. " I think everyone went home happy. " " I did. As did we. Would've loved to hear Mailman tho... - -- - -- Steve Lane --------------- - --------------12944874144-- ------------------------------ From: ANGELR711@aol.com Subject: forgive me if i'm wrong....... now, someone wrote that all of Chris's siblings names and ages...it was spproximate. sorry, can't remember who it was. well, anyways...i was under the impression that Cris was the youngest child out of 6....i have articles that say that. ow i'm really confused. i mean, i could be wrong, but that's highly doubtful. well, see ya!!---------Rima ------------------------------ From: vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu (Vasant Ramamurthy) Subject: Soundgarden: The Book Has anybody read the Soundgarden book by Chris Nickson? I just saw it today, and it looked pretty legit, with old and precios SG photos. Any comments on it? Should I buy it? Vasant ****************************************************************************** THE REFUGE OF THE DAMNED - Check out lots o' music stuff here!! http://ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu/~vman/me.html vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu "When new damage comes, it's a new word for plague, a new world order, a new word for hate" - New Damage - Soundgarden ------------------------------ From: jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu (grote) Subject: lolla questions... hey lolla veterans... let me know what the "rules and regulations" are for this year's lolla. basically, i want to know if we're not allowed to bring anything (water, etc.) into the show like it's been in the past. plus any other information you think would be useful.... des moines, here i come... later... - -- ######################################################################## # GROTE!!!!! "I don't remember half the time # # If I'm hiding or I'm lost # # jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu But I'm on my way....." -Chris Cornell # ######################################################################## ------------------------------ From: stella Subject: Re: forgive me if i'm wrong....... At 10:51 PM 6/26/96 -0400, you wrote: >now, someone wrote that all of Chris's siblings names and ages...it was >spproximate. sorry, can't remember who it was. well, anyways...i was under >the impression that Cris was the youngest child out of 6....i have articles >that say that. ow i'm really confused. i mean, i could be wrong, but that's >highly doubtful. well, see ya!!---------Rima > > > That's what I thought I read in Rollingstone. But I went back and looked at the article and it says "youngest SON..." and he also said "I'm bobby from the Brady Bunch" or something like that :) ==================================================================== stella / \ /\ | |_| / \ \ \ / /\ \ http://www.fix.net/~srogers _\ \tell /\ \ srogers@fix.net | | | / / \ \ \ / /__/ \__\ ------------------------------ From: egibsonka@ALPHA2.CURTIN.EDU.AU Subject: soundgarden and study.....???... Hello, Just thought that I would let you know that listening to Soundgarden before an exam is the best study you can do! It works for me! .....KG. ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 166] ****************************************