From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 25 Jun 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 01:07:59 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Tuesday, 25 Jun 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu ***listadmin note: No, there was no digest yesterday; sorry about that. I'm back from vacation, so digests should be arriving regularly from now on. -seth Today's Topics: HATER Re: HATER commercialism, part 2... Mainstream and Bass Player Mainstream and Bass Player up all night at dave's... you gonna miss me when I'm gone... Re: Pretty Noose Video/Other Stuff machine has no heart to give... Born in the USA Woah!! Headphones DO make a difference the molson show: fun or fraud? imo, the point is.... Re: Pretty Noose Video and other stuff SG/IS Lyrics Re: Help!(For Mayor McCheese) Silvery thoughts Re: SG at my door and in my heart. Re: SG/IS Lyrics Outshined lyrics... Re:Missing lyrics for BIMH) I'm feeling like I'm sober... Spoonman in Singles a little late and hardly original Misc. are we going to see some somms tshirts anytime soon? Re: Outshined lyrics... Shirts in Iowa! Re: Mainstream and Bass Player Re: you gonna miss me when I'm gone... molsongate... I'm looking winnipeg... SOUNDGARDEN Re: I'm looking winnipeg... IRC & servers ------------------------------------------------------------ From: aburney@maildrop.srv.ualberta.ca Subject: HATER Just wondering if hater will be coming out with an album and does Cameron & Sheppard tour or just release hater albums? ------------------------------ From: Chris Mackenzie Subject: Re: HATER Hater is supposed to be releasing a 7" on Super Electro Records this year... I think there have been rumors of another album as well. ------------------------------ From: Outshined@aol.com Subject: commercialism, part 2... >> this is hardly a comparison! spinal tap are NOT a real rock band, they >> are a PARODY, they have always been a parody... which is why it was so >> ludicrous for ibm to use them... (about as ludicrous as ibm's banner at >> internet world: "when you think internet, think ibm" ya right.) hmmm... I think it's a valid comparison... just because SG and Tap are two very different bands is not the point... since when are non-serious bands exempt from 'selling-out'? >> by your reasoning, they should have done woodstock, about the >> same money and a hell of a lot more exposure -- far more beneficial >> to their careers than one secret beer concert was! perhaps they didn't feel comfortable with Woodstock's atmosphere... there's a big difference between playing a secret beer show and playing a huge, ultra-mega commercial show like Woodstock with who-knows- how-many other popular bands... only the four members of Soundgarden can determine what is and what isn't beneficial to their careers... >> at lot of people on this list then followed up with some very intelligent >> discussion and questions. very true. I think it's an important issue to look at... but when I wrote my post my feelings were (and still are) that judgements were being passed a little too quickly. >> we are allowed to question this band -- >> they don't owe us anything except to be true to themselves >> we do not have to follow them like sheep. we are allowed to question the band and their motives, even though they owe us nothing? Nothing, period. how can we judge whether or not someone is being true to themselves??? Soundgarden has always been about making their own music, without regard for what anyone thinks... even if a song appears in thousands of different commercials, it still doesn't change the ONLY thing that really matters... the music. If you like it, fine... but there's no reason to jump ship just because you disagree with the band's personal decisions... if you think that SG music being played in a commercial cheapens the music... turn off the commercial!! besides, SG *did* play a show for the advertising company, it's not like they indiscriminately auctioned off the song to the highest tv bidder... go reread Mr. Cameron's letter... they can do whatever the hell they want with their band (and music)... because they are the *authors*! We are not. We are fans. We do not own the music. Soundgarden exists for only one reason : to create music. and in my opinion they do it better than anyone else. and they've been doing it in many different and creative ways for years. any amount of concerts and commercials does not change the music. they did not go out and create a special song just for that stupid beer commercial. Anything that does not directly effect the music is irrelevant. again, my $0.02... (I don't have enough $$$ for this! :) comments? violent disagreements? post 'em. Outshined ------------------------------ From: Paul Thompson Subject: Mainstream and Bass Player About the mainstream issue- Well, it could be. But just because they're on the radio moreso doesn't mean they're not original. I haven't heard any decent new Pearl Jam since Ten, so who knows? On the radio issue however, not only did I hear 'Black Hole Sun', 'The Day I Tried To Live' and "Spoonman', but I heard 'Fell On Black Days' a lot, probably most of all. Also- DOTU was reviewed in this months (August '96) Bass Player. Both Ben and the groups performance were rated 'A'. It mentions that Ben played the intro of 'Never In The Machine Forever' on his bass with a pick. I was under the impression that was Chris playing mandolin. Can someone clear this one up? ------------------------------ From: overfloater@thenexus.com Subject: Mainstream and Bass Player BE>Also- DOTU was reviewed in this months (August '96) Bass Player. Both BE>Ben and the groups performance were rated 'A'. It mentions that Ben BE>played the intro of 'Never In The Machine Forever' on his bass with a BE>pick. I was under the impression that was Chris playing mandolin. Can BE>someone clear this one up? Well, I play bass (taught by the MAN Kevin Champagne himself, along with Mike Campese) :), and it sounds to me like a bass. :) ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: up all night at dave's... On Fri, 21 Jun 1996, Jamesetta Simpson wrote: > But "Overfloater" has really got my vote as being the best on this record.. > The subject for this song just has to be life, not drugs or alcohol.. It's the > life line on the hand of life itself.. You can put I agree that chris is singing about life in overfloater, but I still think that the song has to do with some sort of vice and how it affects you. at least that is what the lyrics say to me. stuff like 'hold the potion up', 'on and connected', '...climb the walls, feel medicine heal the lines of age' and of course the chorus - 'I'm overfloating now'. I'm sure that it probably isn't about that at all, but that's my interpretation. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: you gonna miss me when I'm gone... On Fri, 21 Jun 1996, stella wrote: > Does anyone remember those 2 outshined videos? I just got those compilation > videos from PJ Starr, and it has both of them on there. I never really saw > the first one. But when I was watching it, it looked exactly the same as the > MTV one but all it was missing was the sand and the guy in the giant hamster > wheel. So my question is, was the first one a European thing? Or did they > just think it was trash and did the whole thing over again? I read an interview in which chris said that they wanted the guy who did the metallia _unforgiven_ video to work on the outshined clip, but he was busy doing the metallica one. so they settled for something the hamsterman version. after it was released, they ended up seeing the one that the producer had worked out, and it was amazing. but then again, you are right that the second one (with that yellow wash) wasn't very different, so who would know? maybe the second version is the canadian version? ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Chris Mansfield Subject: Re: Pretty Noose Video/Other Stuff >4) I was gonna go off about this commerciality thaang, but between Matt >Cameron's recent post (cool!) and Adrian Alcock's (well said), well they >pretty much covered it. Let's just remember, Soundgarden, just like any >other band (except maybe the Stones ;-)), is not going to be around forever. >They're doing this for a living. Unless we all plan to pitch in and help >support them when they've retired, then leave them to make as much money >as they can while they can. Let's look at Pearl Jam, shall we? yes, let's. >I used to love this band. Now I'm just tired of Eddie's incessant whining. *what* incessant whining are you referring to? and i'd like documented sources of whining please. with regards to pearl jam if *anyone* is whining it is a) journalists, b) deejays, c) fans who don't give a shit about non-consistent and therefore unfair ticketmaster service charges. i've read tons of interviews with the man and eddie has done *very* little, if any, whining on anything. what he *has* done is speak out on some issues that he feels need addressing. if some fans or even non-fans make a big deal about it and the news media can't stop writing about it who is to blame? eddie? i don't think so. the man rarely does interviews these days, very few in the last three years. >His recent Grammy stint was an embarassment - if that's how he felt, then he >shouldn't have been there. that is a matter of opinion. and in that situation eddie and the rest of pearl jam were in a no-win situation, and here's why: a) they show up, accept the award and give their thank yous. purists and indie artists scream "sell-out!" in interviews and amongst themselves, which will inevitably be picked up by the news media. b) they show up and refuse the award (politely or otherwise). they are written off as ungrateful, rude, and spoiled. c) they don't show up at all, and are treated the same way as in part b. d) they do exactly what they did, which is say what each of them wanted to say and be true to themselves. eddie uses the opportunity to express his feelings on awards for art and pitting them against each other in a competition, and is consistent with statements he has made in past interviews. people still write them/him off as ungrateful, rude, and spoiled. now... what would *you* do? >Let's look at how Pearl Jam treats their fans. They played a show down in >Miami last year, no they did not. that was in march of '94, but anyway... >except the FANS, like me, didn't find out about it until it was too late. From >out of nowhere, on a weekday at 5:00pm, the radio announced that Pearl Jam >would be playing Bayfront (a sucky venue I might add-outdoors, terrible sound) >and tickets went on sale IMMEDIATELY. If you weren't listening to the radio at >that very moment, then you were shit out of luck. Like I was. Tickets sold out >in minutes. (Supposedly, it was done this way to prevent scalping - but 'HELLO' >you just shit all over your fans too. PLENTY of people were upset over this). and yet soundgarden does almost exactly the same thing just last week and you have conveniently failed to mention that haven't you? the *only* thing that was different for soundgarden in the above equation is that the sound in the showbox is pretty good. >Then the show. Security was a farce. It was one big mosh-pit (I knew people >that went). i went to the SG show at the showbox the other night and my complaints to security about the assholes around me went completely unanswered. and someone please correct me if i'm wrong but isn't the *venue* in charge of security? i know the band has their own but the promoter is in on this as well i believe... > So they care about their fans' safety. Plus, the band refused to go >on stage until a sign from above the stage was removed, because of its "corporate" >connotations. It was an AT&T/Bayfront sign - that's the name of the venue >for crying-out-loud!!! So they made their "fans" wait over two hours while the >sign was removed. So their fans needn't be concerned over them "selling >out". And don't even get me started on this whole Ticketmaster thang. you have a point. i've been told that the name of the venue is "bayfront amphitheatre" and the AT&T sign was an advertisement, so i'd like to find out what happened on this myself. >OK, so let's look at SOUNDGARDEN, shall we? yes, let's. >I saw them at Sunrise Musical Theatre (a 4,000 seater, assigned seating, >all seats are good, excellent acoustics). The on-sale was announced well >before tickets actually went on sale. And I only paid $20. Hmmm, they used >Ticketmaster.....what's up with that? And the show. The show was awesome. here's the flaw in your argument -- you can pick any two shows, one by each band, for this comparison, and sway it either way you like depending on which band you like more at the moment. case in point: i saw pearl jam in milwaukee last summer at marcus amphitheater, an absolutely *wonderful* venue with great sound. capacity 24,000 but almost all of it was reserved seating. the on-sale was announced well before tickets actually went on sale. and i only paid $20. hmmm, they didn't use ticketmaster, but the service charge was about the same. what's up with that? and the show. the show was awesome, so much so that it is still number one on my concerts attended list, even after seeing soundgarden at the showbox a few nights ago. i fail to see your point. >Security was tight, you had no one rushing the stage, no moshing allowed (per >band's instructions), yet we all seemed to have a GREAT time. same PJ show discussed above -- security was tight, but wasn't really even needed because there was *no* moshing or crowd surfing, just 24,000 fans singing and dancing, and we all had a GREAT time. >So this diatribe is just meant to say, be thankful Soundgarden are the way >they are. Ultimately, what matters is the music, and how they treat their >fans. I, for one, am pretty happy on both accounts. and i am thankful pearl jam are the way they are, for a lot of the same reasons. i just think the scenarios you've presented are an awfully narrow view of the big picture... :) Chris ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: machine has no heart to give... On Sat, 22 Jun 1996, seth wrote: > Kim Thayil, music and commentary, featured on Rock & The > Environment; July 1st-31st > I wonder if Kim wrote special solo music for this...?? well if he did, I hope it is more along the lines of never the machine forever or something like that, rather than something dreamy like jerry garcia's finger. maybe he will he sing? at any rate, it looks like its set over the course of a month, so will it only be broadcast as little pieces between songs (difficult to listen to or tape, in other words)? ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: Born in the USA Hey list! Let's look at this whole issue rationally. Whatever we say...the boys have every right to sell their music to whomever they choose. Those of you on the corporate conformist ladder should remember that there is another group of people who don't like to be told what to do. Who feel self empowerment is a strength. That music is an artform that should not be sold to corporations whose only existence is to make more money without any regard for how they do it (Honduran Sweatshops anyone?). Whose only interest is to control you. What better way than to manipulate a target percentage of your audience than to take their music from them and make it the companies. Heck, the Beatles song "Revolution" is about Nike Shoes. Isn't It? Who remembers Ronald Reagan standing at the podium in Iowa, flags waving...brass band getting ready to play...when what comes out of the speakers...Bruce Springsteen's "Born in the USA". Or Hillary and Tipper dancing across the stage to Fleetwood Mac's "Don't Stop". Music sells PEOPLE! It heals and it hurts...and it makes you want to spend your money on Burgers and Beer. It's as American as Baseball, Hotdog's, Apple Pie and Chevrolet! That's why they want it. It's not a crime for someone to sell you a product. But companies use it to make YOU comfortable about buying brand X everytime regardless of it's quality. The corporation must survive so the few in power can stay there and support those below them. If the middle class majority isn't satisfied, those in power fall. THIS ISNT ABOUT THE WORKERS, but the 5% who control 90% of the wealth. These 5%'ers will do anything to keep themselves alive. We're powerless to stop them. Money buys truth. And if you're happy where you're at...this notes for you. When a band such as SG who prided themselves with anti-commercialism suddenly become commercial. It makes you wonder what side they're on. Which has been answered. Who's lucky enough on this list to be a 5%'er? Anyone? To those independent thinkers...there is a group of people that need to follow. There is NOTHING wrong with either side... The whole world can't have the same type of people...each group exists for the other. If you're siding with the 5%, I hope you make it to the top...though I hear it's pretty lonely. While those of us siding with the rest...It's lonely for us...because money buys perception. At 05:57 PM 06/23/96 -0400, you wrote: >hmmm... I think it's a valid comparison... just because SG and Tap are >two very different bands is not the point... since when are non-serious >bands exempt from 'selling-out'? When the whole shtick of the non-serious band is 'selling out'. The fact that *spinal tap* (do you know who they are?) can get anything at all is hilarious!! and this is a huge swindle by them to whatever company gave them money. They won on their own terms. Think of Spinal Tap as Robin Hood. >perhaps they didn't feel comfortable with Woodstock's atmosphere... maybe woodstock wasn't paying enough money. Maybe they management was bothered that they wouldn't get any points on post-show revenue. Maybe they we rent comfortable not controlling the bands product after the show? We'll never know because they would never admit to it. >there's a big difference between playing a secret beer show and playing >a huge, ultra-mega commercial show like Woodstock with who-knows- >how-many other popular bands... *The problem with the whole Molson thing:* They *didnt* play to their fans. The beer company shipped 200 winners to Vancouver to see a "big name band" in a small venue. They then found 200 Vancouver-ites to fill the place. These people had NO idea who was playing until SG walked onto the stage. There could of been 400 Ann Murray, Alanis or Coney Hatch fans! All there in the name of Molson only! Hey, if they can swindle a quarter million dollars out of a beer company and play a set to people appreciating the music...more power to them! Labatt's pockets are pretty deep. But they didnt... And that's why people werent happy about this whole ordeal. The indie angle is the music and image of the band were cheapened by the incident... *a place for this question from yesterday* > They're doing this for a living. Unless we all plan to pitch in and help >support them when they've retired, actually when the record companies come up with some new format (again) in a couple years...we'll have to run out and upgrade those rotten sounding CD's and albums. Which means *most* people on this list will be contributing to their happiness for a long time. Maybe we need to put our blinders on and go back to being uninformed fans. The internet has opened up a wealth of information that has bothered everyone from government to the drummers of rock n roll bands. >only the four members of Soundgarden can determine what is and >what isn't beneficial to their careers... They have the rope (the pretty noose, eh). They can do anything they want. It's entirely there perogative. We don't mean anything to them except numbers. I didnt believe that till Friday, but Matt's response says it all. >>> at lot of people on this list then followed up with some very intelligent >>> discussion and questions. > >very true. I think it's an important issue to look at... but when I wrote >my post my feelings were (and still are) that judgements were being >passed a little too quickly. true >>> we are allowed to question this band -- >>> they don't owe us anything except to be true to themselves >>> we do not have to follow them like sheep. > >we are allowed to question the band and their motives, even >though they owe us nothing? Nothing, period. Yes, we are allowed to question EVERYONE! This is (in my case) the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! We've stepped on every third world country (sorry) to get where we are today. We can say anything we want until we get someone pissed off enough to shoot us, sue us or throw us in jail. how can we judge >whether or not someone is being true to themselves??? In the end...you have to live with your actions whichever side of the grass you're gonna fall on. If you like it, fine... but there's no reason to jump ship >just because you disagree with the band's personal decisions... I don't think anyone who's a fan on this list would jump ship. Even if chris "shot his love today". Though the impending media blowup would make it another OJ story. Speaking from experience...OJ isnt welcome in Buffalo anymore. >if you think that SG music being played in a commercial >cheapens the music... turn off the commercial!! Ain't gonna happen silly boy/girl. This world is built on people trying to sell you their product. You'll have to put blinders and earphones on. You can't ignore the buses, billboards, background music and television and.... >besides, SG *did* play a show for the advertising company, >it's not like they indiscriminately auctioned off the song to >the highest tv bidder... but they didnt play to their fans. >go reread Mr. Cameron's letter... they can do whatever the hell >they want with their band (and music)... because they are the >*authors*! We are not. We are fans. We do not own the music. nope, but we can question them. It's our right! It's their right not to listen. And they won't. I just hope they're consistent with their actions. >Soundgarden exists for only one reason : to create music. And to keep the record company in business. And to keep the Recording Studios in business. And to keep the Engineers, Roadies, etc. in business. And to keep the record stores in business. And to keep the distributors in business. And to keep the CD/Tape/Vinyl Makers in business. And to keep the t-shirt vendors/makers in business. And to keep the Ticketcompanies in business. And to keep everyone involved in business. The decisions create a chain reaction. and >in my opinion they do it better than anyone else. yup, we agree about the music. and they've >been doing it in many different and creative ways for years. yup. >any amount of concerts and commercials does not change the >music. wrong, it does. The music won't belong to them anymore...it becomes the companies. whether they admit it or not. they did not go out and create a special song just for that >stupid beer commercial. Anything that does not directly effect the >music is irrelevant. but it does. If someone was an admitted child molesting rapist; would you read their brilliant children's stories (powder)? It would make you feel differently about the story, wouldnt it? Well these guys are anti-commercialist doing commercials. And they won't defend themselves to the mass media because it will be suicide to their careers. They want this whole ordeal swept under the rug and the money deposited in their account. Which is what's gonna happen. I'm done discussing this. I still like the band and will continue to like them. But these questions needed to be answered. Matt answered them. I'm not bitter or even disappointed; I just wanted to know what they were thinking. The band has moved onto carrying about the bottom line. They are a corporation now. Deal with it. Steve ------------------------------ From: sean@ramoth.unl.edu (Sean McCarthy) Subject: Woah!! Headphones DO make a difference Hey All- Ok you bastadas!! I've just bought a good set of headphones. The real kind of headphones, the ones that practically cover the left and right side of you head. First CD I put in, DOTU, of course to test the theory that this is a headphones album. My response-Hell yah! Just like Bjork's 'Post' or PJ Havey, Harvey, I meant(I'm sort of drunk and all on brew). And this one...I can actually feel where Chris, Kim, Ben and Matt 's signature sounds are. Some songs that I thought were weak are made up more than tenfold when the sound is right up in my ears. Ahhh yes, another state of mind and another medium to listen to Down on the Upside. I'm determined to figure out this album before this summer is over, I swear!! Laters! Peace Sean ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: the molson show: fun or fraud? On Sun, 23 Jun 1996, Steven Russell Jr. wrote: > And to keep the record company in business. And to keep the Recording > Studios in business. And to keep the Engineers, Roadies, etc. in business. > the t-shirt vendors/makers in business. And to keep the Ticketcompanies in > business. And to keep everyone involved in business. The decisions create perhaps now soundgarden have become a tad more commercialist than when they started way back when, playing their small shows and signing to (then) small labels. but I'm fairly certain that back then the only motivation for their music was their *love* of the music. do you really think that has changed so much steve? that they now create music in order to keep shirt vendors and ticket companies in business? I might be naive, but I'm pretty certain that the band has higher motives than that (and lets face it, since when have they ever been interested in the rest of the music-food chain, besides themselves and the fans, anyway?). > but it does. If someone was an admitted child molesting rapist; would you > read their brilliant children's stories (powder)? It would make you feel > differently about the story, wouldnt it? Well these guys are > anti-commercialist doing commercials. And they won't defend themselves to does this mean (and I'm not saying its a fair analogy) that you are going to listen to their music differently from now on? personally, I don't think that slaves and bulldozers or new damage are suddenly going to change tone into something far more insincere. I didn't ever imagine that soundgarden were ever going to get caught up in that whole indie cred thing, but it seems to have hit a real nerve here. is it really going to change every lister's approaches to listening to and feelings towards soundgarden music? one gig for a beer company? surely you can get past that? their music is still as honest and real as it ever was, in my book. ps. matt *did* defend the band. what do you really want? an apology? ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: imo, the point is.... the boys can of course do whatever they want. but just because matt says what he did doesn't mean that we have to shut up - -- he was just making his point. we are absolutely entitled to disagree with them or feel differently about them, and it is our own individual choice. no right or wrong, just individual choice. but i think that as long as they have fans that care about the band and the music to argue as passionately as i've seen on this list, that they will *never* be in trouble. ;-) (and to whoever said this earlier, pearl jam haven't made a decent album since 'ten'??! i could never see them play any song from that album ever again and die a happy woman. thank god they've progressed beyond that or i'd have been bored silly by now) - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Stephen Frantz Subject: Re: Pretty Noose Video and other stuff Hey,. I totally agree about what you said about Soundgarden respecting their fans. Don't get me wrong, I dig Pearl Jam, but they are really treating their fans like crap. This whole thing about them not wanting to be commercial, get over it Pearl Jam! It's really looking as if the Jammers don't really want to realease a new album, their new album keeps getting delayed and delayed. Soundgarden on the over hand know where their best interests are, in their fans! Steve. 'Shame, Shame, throw yourself away'. ------------------------------ From: Candy Haun Subject: SG/IS Lyrics I've been reading the list for several months now and I've finally gotten up the nerve to post. (This is my first post to anyone, anywhere, ever, so please be kind.) I've been a SG addict since LTL and so far, this addiction shows no signs of letting up. Since I don't personally know anyone whose enthusiasm for SG is as totally out of proportion as mine, the list gives me my daily fix (besides listening to the music, of course). (If this has already been discussed, forgive me.) For those of you who are IS fans, the last song on So Sad is obviously about the Cornell family, and the little boy he talks about has to be Chris. I think it's interesting that Peter writes such personal lyrics, while Chris seems to intentionally avoid any personal revelations. I know brothers are not necessarily alike, but you can't help comparing. Has anyone else noticed this? Also, I really enjoyed the concert reviews. I've never seen SG live. As far as I know, they've never been to this God-forsaken state (can't say I blame them), so I was pretty disappointed when they cancelled the Okla. City Lolla. Well, at least I can live vicariously thru those lucky enough to be there. Better get back to work now. PS You can add me to the list of SOMMS owners. Candy ------------------------------ From: mansruin@sirius.com (Man's Ruin Inc.) Subject: Re: Help!(For Mayor McCheese) I got a clear Vinyl DOTU from Brydon Cheney last week.He's a great guy.If yours is late remember he's way up at the Northern tip of Scotland. Frank Kozik ------------------------------ Subject: Silvery thoughts From: tonerkin@usa.pipeline.com (Tonerkin) On Jun 22, 1996 23:23:49, 'ANGELR711@aol.com' wrote: >i hear all of this stuff about how all the guys in SG are >so great. don't get me wron.i LOVE them. but my question is...what about >Susan??? I am in complete agreement with you on Susan. She is an intellegent,attrative,has her shit together type woman who has also found someone to love and live with. (And work with too. That can't be easy!!) I think she is very instrumental in their sucess. She has been there to guide them, protect them, mother them a little and the fuzzy ratdogs are most likely there to annoy them!! Toni ------------------------------ From: Moonsta693@aol.com Subject: Re: SG at my door and in my heart. ohhh, i know the answer to the boxer of briefs question, but only for 2 guys. BOXERS! guess which 2. One of the guys is____________!!!!! The original Preety Noose ------------------------------ From: Moonsta693@aol.com Subject: Re: SG/IS Lyrics He's bro is in a band? I know with that many brothers and sisters, that he couldn't be the only one with the musical talent? ohh yea, do you have one of thier CD's? I'd like it sooooo much if you would copy it for me. Just e-mail me or somethin', and we'll talk! Welcome to the superunknown, new SG freak, the wreck is goin' down from here! the original preety noose ------------------------------ From: e9328995@student.uq.edu.au (John Grieves) Subject: Outshined lyrics... Sorry if this has been discussed long ago guys...I have a wonderful short term memory, that's why I can cram study so well... I was listening to Badmotorfinger with my sister the other night, and Outshined cranked up...it came to the second verse, and the usual part: Someone let the dogs out They'll show you where the truth is The grass is always greener Where the dogs are ??!?!?!? It's this last word that's bugging me - the lyrics book for Badmotorfinger states that Chris Cornell is singing "Where the dogs are SHEDDING". My sister agrees that it sounds like SHEDDING. The homepage lyrics list agrees that the word is SHEDDING [where did this come from? Lyrics book I assume...] I had always thought that Chris Cornell was saying "Where the dogs are SHITTING", and as my backup, that's precisely what it says in the official guitar tablature for Badmotorfinger. I've come across a few cases before where the guitar tablature is more faithful to the artist than the lyrics sheet, and I personally hear the word Shitting more than Shedding... To me it makes more sense in the context of the lyrics as well...isn't the grass going to be greener where dogs are shitting rather than where they are shedding? You don't put dog hair on a garden! Any thoughts? Someone want to adjudicate? Or are my ears clogged with too much wax? Quite possible!! :> Jackhammer PS: And I'm just about out of here - South Africa here I come for a three week visit. I'll miss you guys while I'm away...only have to get these four exams out of the road now!! :> Will look forward to seeing you all at the end of July... ------------------------------ From: Cynthia Siragusa Subject: Re:Missing lyrics for BIMH) "Follow me into the desert as desperate as you are. The moon is glued to a picture of heaven and all the little pigs have God." Peace - Cyn ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: I'm feeling like I'm sober... On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, John Grieves wrote: > The grass is always greener > Where the dogs are ??!?!?!? > > To me it makes more sense in the context of the lyrics as well...isn't the > grass going to be greener where dogs are shitting rather than where they are > shedding? You don't put dog hair on a garden! I don't think you could take the lyrics to outshined (or any soundgarden lyrics for that matter) too literally, john. I'd probably go for shedding, since it is a bit more ambiguous and, dare I say, mystical; which would be in keeping with most of the lyrics from badmotorfinger. shitting would make more sense, but we know about chris' lyrical interest with dogs and all things doggy, so who would ever know what he puts on his garden? :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Chris Farley Subject: Spoonman in Singles I found this question to be appropriate being Singles is on TV tonight = and all. I've seen some movies in theater or on cable and then rented them on = tape and the background music(soundtrack) has been different in each = version. When I saw singles in the movies I don't remember if they = played the demo of spoonman in the scene where they're stapling the = CITIZEN DICK flyer to the telephone pole. They did when it was on cable = but that was after SU was released and they might have altered the = soundtrack based on it's popularity. Anyone have any answers? Chris ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: a little late and hardly original http://imusic.com/cgi-bin/comments/soundgarden/comments.cgi jeez louise. didn't seth put this up the *SAME DAY* the album came out? on the other hand, i guess not everyone runs out and buys it the day of release, and the idea is to get the people who see them on lolla and then go buy it? or maybe i'm giving them too much credit? i mean, the show was last week and they still haven't taken down the contest banner.... - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Chris Mackenzie Subject: Misc. To anyone who cares... Metallica did the second Molson's Blind Date in Toronto, I think that was last night. There was a clip of them playing Creeping Death at this particular show on Much Music. Also, NBC is going to show Singles sometime this week (not sure when). So get your VCR's ready. The movie has a clip of SG playing Birth Ritual live as well as a cameo of Chris Cornell (which was shown in the commercial). Hope that helps.... - - Chris ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: are we going to see some somms tshirts anytime soon? just a quick note to nothingman: are we going to wearing our somms tshirts in the near future? please respond, because a lot of your fellow listers are anxious to have them. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Cynthia Siragusa Subject: Re: Outshined lyrics... AGREE! Dogs shedding wouldn;t make the grass greener but.. I thought it was "shitting" too fropm the first time I heard it. On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, John Grieves wrote: > Sorry if this has been discussed long ago guys...I have a wonderful short > term memory, that's why I can cram study so well... > > I was listening to Badmotorfinger with my sister the other night, and > Outshined cranked up...it came to the second verse, and the usual part: > > Someone let the dogs out > They'll show you where the truth is > The grass is always greener > Where the dogs are ??!?!?!? > > It's this last word that's bugging me - the lyrics book for Badmotorfinger > states that Chris Cornell is singing "Where the dogs are SHEDDING". My > sister agrees that it sounds like SHEDDING. The homepage lyrics list agrees > that the word is SHEDDING [where did this come from? Lyrics book I assume...] > > I had always thought that Chris Cornell was saying "Where the dogs are > SHITTING", and as my backup, that's precisely what it says in the official > guitar tablature for Badmotorfinger. I've come across a few cases before > where the guitar tablature is more faithful to the artist than the lyrics > sheet, and I personally hear the word Shitting more than Shedding... > > To me it makes more sense in the context of the lyrics as well...isn't the > grass going to be greener where dogs are shitting rather than where they are > shedding? You don't put dog hair on a garden! > > Any thoughts? Someone want to adjudicate? Or are my ears clogged with too > much wax? Quite possible!! :> > > Jackhammer > > PS: And I'm just about out of here - South Africa here I come for a three > week visit. I'll miss you guys while I'm away...only have to get these four > exams out of the road now!! :> > > Will look forward to seeing you all at the end of July... > > ------------------------------ From: Mayor McCheese Subject: Shirts in Iowa! Hey, Since I really doubt I'll have my SOMMS shirt by this thursday, anyone going to the Des Moines Lollapalooza can find Mayor McCheese by looking for the nifty fork that nothingman made for me. Anyone who is going (in Iowa), send me some e-mailo! Mayor McCheese XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX *** Time to Play the McCheese "Name the Fav" Game *** Just Reply to me with the Song Title and Artist And I'll tell you your cool or something "It's on Amerika's tortured brow Mickey Mouse has grown up a cow . . ." ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: Mainstream and Bass Player You must be confusing Ty Cobb and Never the Machine Forever. Chris (and Ben?) is/are playing the mandolin at the beginning of Ty Cobb. The intro to NTMF is obviously bass. Geoff On Sun, 23 Jun 1996, Paul Thompson wrote: > Also- DOTU was reviewed in this months (August '96) Bass Player. Both > Ben and the groups performance were rated 'A'. It mentions that Ben > played the intro of 'Never In The Machine Forever' on his bass with a > pick. I was under the impression that was Chris playing mandolin. Can > someone clear this one up? > ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: you gonna miss me when I'm gone... Years ago, a different video for Outshined was released here, and the VJ claimed it was released in Canada only. It did not have the Jesus-guy in the wheel. Geoff ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: molsongate... just a couple more words on the whole soundgarden-selling-out thing (which has mostly centred on their perceived move towards wholesale prettiness and, more recently, their forays into the capitalist state of mind). I know a lot of people argue that soundgarden are becoming somewhat 'softer' in recent times, or have at least moved so far away from their original sound to almost have become a different band. seems to me that the same people posit that the band may even write particular songs to improve their sales, gain more airtime or put more butts in seats (ie. cash in quick). songs like black hole sun and burden in my hand have come under fire here for being a very-much watered down version of soundgarden, circa 1991 and badmotorfinger. I know seth doesn't really like their new one. I know steve isn't sure about their sincerity, since the beer show (steve, don't you think if they wanted to cash in, those storied remixes would have been released by now?). since last year guys have been posting (jeremy?) about how black hole sun was one for the masses. but even if you do not like the respective songs or albums, you have to ask yourself this: 'even though I don't like their 'new' direction, are they still playing for themselves?" I would argue that they are. the honesty is there in songs like no attention. the experimentation and creativity is there in never the machine. I'm sure that if they wrote, recorded and released this album with the thought of big, green dollar signs over their heads and hearts, then they wouldn't have included tracks like applebite or ty cobb. the band cast aside all producers to make a record that *they* wanted to make. if that wasn't the case, I'm sure they could have gotten someone in who could get them a nice radio sound which would fit nicely in everyone's wallets. I agree that the music has changed to some degree. you would certainly hear black hole sun, burden in my hand or pretty noose on the radio or on a (it hurts me to say it) commercial before you heard get on the snake or new damage. but is this a conscious move by the band towards consumerism, or just the typical evolution of a band? I would go for the latter. I can't see why people would be so down on their new record. is melodicism such a bad thing? are songs like blow up the outside world and like suicide bad songs because they sound nice? better yet, are they bad *soundgarden* songs? the answer is (to me, anyway) no. of course, the power of records such as ultramega ok are a sight to behold, but I feel that as the band gets older (and perhaps wiser), they understand that control, and knowing when to unleash that power (which I'm sure they still have), makes it that much more intense. I would much rather see an album like superunknown, with its different moods and depths than a record of 15 beyond the wheels. there are plenty of bands who just try and smash out ten huge riffs while hopefully bludgeoning you into the ground, and then market that as an album. if you want that, then I'm not sure that soundgarden was ever going to be that. they have too many faces, too many people writing songs and too much creativity to do that. having said that, in my view, soundgarden have become a better band over time, even though I still regard badmotorfinger and superunknown as their best records and perhaps their defining moments till this point. but their song-writing prowess and musicianship has increased to a point where there are few acts around who could challenge both their creativity and their artistic integrity. the band doesn't write hits, they write *songs*. they don't play chart-toppers, they play *music*. you can certainly question whether you still like their music, but I don't think you can downplay their integrity. as for the molson advertisment itself, was it really such a stab in the back to the fans who (like me) admire their non-commercialism? I never saw or heard the ad, so I could be way off base here, but was pn used as a jingle for the beer in question, or was it just a snippet informing people just who was playing? I'd like to think it was the second one. tell me if I'm wrong. I also don't think that the comparison between the tibet show and the molson show is fair. we all know that the band is not lacking in the political-philosophical department, illustrated by their involvment with alternative nrg, the surfrider benefit, no alternative, born to choose and the home alive projects. so why think that chris is suddenly going to become the new calvin klein supermodel? lastly, the question of whether the band owes us, as fans, anything has come up a couple of times. my thoughts are that yes, they do owe us something. we put the damn money in their pockets after all, so they have to at least appreciate that. I don't think, however, that they owe us so much that they should never change, that they should always stay the same and keep on reproducing our individual conceptions of what soundgarden is. if they can't grow, and their music is static, then why listen to them? that would become boring real fast. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: I'm looking winnipeg... On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, onefellswoop wrote: > Years ago, a different video for Outshined was released here, and the VJ > claimed it was released in Canada only. It did not have the Jesus-guy in > the wheel. but did it have a lot of plastic sheets hanging from the ceiling, quite a few splotches of black on the walls and a very yellow wash throughout the whole clip? that's the one I have on tape. chris runs around and pushes against the plastic a lot, reminiscent of the 'we die young' clip by alice in chains. it wasn't really an improvement on the normal version, but that one wasn't too crash hot anyway. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: BobaF33@aol.com Subject: SOUNDGARDEN Hey all you fans! I am new on the internet and would like to get some mail about things that i am interested in. not just AOL help. If you could drop me an E-mail i would be glad to read and respond. Read, respond, read, respond on into the infinite future. FYI my favorite song on the new albulm (Down on the upside) is Ty Cobb. Thanx for your time. (P.S. if you didn't know the name of the new albulm you shouldn't be reading this.) ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: I'm looking winnipeg... Yeah, that's the one with the poly and electrical cable hanging all over. I think he's wearing black combat shorts. Geoff On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, blind dog wrote: > On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, onefellswoop wrote: > > > Years ago, a different video for Outshined was released here, and the VJ > > claimed it was released in Canada only. It did not have the Jesus-guy in > > the wheel. > > but did it have a lot of plastic sheets hanging from the ceiling, > quite a few splotches of black on the walls and a very yellow wash > throughout the whole clip? that's the one I have on tape. chris runs > around and pushes against the plastic a lot, reminiscent of the 'we die > young' clip by alice in chains. it wasn't really an improvement on the > normal version, but that one wasn't too crash hot anyway. > > ----------------------------------- > a thousand doors, a thousand lies > rooms a thousand years wide > ----------------------------------- > > ------------------------------ From: cynsir@village.ios.com Subject: IRC & servers Yes, this is SG related 'cause I wanna meet y'all in #somms. I NEED YOUR HELP, PLEASE! I haven't been able to get a damned server to IRC with for 2 days, and whenever I do it takes forever or is sheer luck. I would be ever so grateful if anyone could email me (privately, of course to keep the list neater - the volume of this mail crashed my mail drop box), some server addresses I could use. Thanks! Cyn ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 164] ****************************************