From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Sunday, 23 Jun 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 15:45:52 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Sunday, 23 Jun 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Re: Mr. Cameron speaks Re: Mr. Cameron speaks DOTU-Just keeps getting better ya know....... hey.. Re: Drum solos my theory Pretty Noose Video/Other Stuff Re: Blow up the outside world!! Re: The Soundgarden mainstream issue ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Stella Rogers Subject: Re: Mr. Cameron speaks This is so cool. We have Matt and Frank Kozik reading our mailing list. Now if we could only get the other guys... I wonder if any of the other mailing lists have celebs reading it. Gosh we are so special :) stella ------------------------------ From: stephen napoles Subject: Re: Mr. Cameron speaks One of the best drummers on the planet and he cares about his fans! (sigh) - -S- ------------------------------ From: sean@ramoth.unl.edu (Sean McCarthy) Subject: DOTU-Just keeps getting better Hey All- I'm listening to DOTU....again. When I first purchased it, I knew it was going to be my soundtrack for the summer, but as I was on a total 'Superunknown' fixation for 8 weeks before DOTU was relased, I thought it was in ways, inferior to Superunknown. But DOTU is like all of the other SG releases. Every release has taken me weeks to truly get into. Frankly, there's just too much stuff in the songs to figure out on the first, second or even 8th listen. Alas, DOTU has vacated the top 10 charts, given way to the Hooties and the Bush's of the rock world. Funny thing though is that its kind of a relief. Sure I wouldn't mind if this band sells another 5 mill of this album. But I believe this album to be a true fans album. Off the Optic pick of the week-- Beck-say what you will, but his new one "Odelay" is one of the most ass kicking, funky albums I have heard in a while. Great listening in any state of mind, but better in some other states of mind :) Laters Peace Sean ------------------------------ From: ANGELR711@aol.com Subject: ya know....... hey! ya know what? i hear all of this stuff about how all the guys in SG are so great. don't get me wron.i LOVE them. but my question is...what about Susan??? i mean, it was with her that they are where they are today. ok well, without her too, they probably would've made it, but still. i don't know. it's just that i truly admire her..i mean, she's got a sucessful career, a loving husband (not to mention HOT HOT HOT) who is just as sucessful, and all of those adorable dogs!! I mean really..just think where they would be without someone to guide them..think about it!!!!--------Rima. ------------------------------ From: overfloater@thenexus.com Subject: hey.. anyone seen the new issue of Raygun? Soundgarden is on the cover (duh) otherwise I wouldnt be writing htis message :) ..overfloater ------------------------------ From: e9328995@student.uq.edu.au (John Grieves) Subject: Re: Drum solos At 00:58 18/06/96 -0400, stephen napoles wrote: >Jackhammer, >In response to your question as to whether or not drummers would rise to the >occasion to play more diversified rhythmical music, I'm not sure. the >reason I'm really not sure is because if you look at music as a whole, you >see an awful lot of jazz drummers who are able to handle the syncopation and >odd time signatures without raising a sweat. Absolutely, I hadn't even thought about jazz drummers. Some of the recordings I've heard of jazz have been brilliant. My favourite, Dave Brubeck, was a master of wicked time signatures. Before hearing Take Five, I wasn't even aware that there was a 5/4 time signature! So, thanks for pointing out what I had overlooked - there would be jazz drummers who would more than hold a flame to Matt Cameron's work. >I was taught to play by >listening to the more formal timings of rock and it is difficult for me to >comprehend the varying time signatures of most jazz and many SG tunes. Definitely - when you're used to the symmetry of 4/4, it can be difficult to adapt on rhythm instruments. I've been a part time drummer and found it difficult - but I find it much less difficult on my non-rhythm instrument, namely piano, where you can get away with not having to follow a strict time signature if you can just follow a beat or if your fingers just do the walking. >On >the whole, I feel that playing your standard rock tune is much easier and >from my experience I would say that most rock trained drummers could not >easily make the switch. That's exactly what I would think. >I'm sure that if I practised endlessly I could master the time >shifts but I notice that a lot of times I start getting frustrated when >listening to Matt and I begin to lose my ability to concentrate on the flow >of the song. The problem with Matt Cameron (there is a problem?) if you're trying to pick up the time signatures is that his work is very much like that saying you have to know the rules before you can break them. The problem is he knows the rules - his drumming, even in the non-standard time signatures, serves to obscure the beat. His addition of snare where snare normally isn't, his fill-ins, all serve to make it harder to pick up the beat - that's why I didn't have a hope in hell of picking up that Rusty Cage ends with a pattern of two bars 3/4, one bar 5/4, one bar 3/4, another bar 5/4! Ah well, enough of my ramblings - we all know how good he and the rest of the band are! Jackhammer. ------------------------------ From: overfloater@thenexus.com Subject: my theory i have a theory that in burden in my hand, chris is saying "all the little pigs have god".. aside from the closed captioning.. im listening to the snl version now, and it sounds like he's saying god.. i mean, if he was saying "gone" that way, then he would have an accent wouldn't he? like he was from boston or brooklyn.. and as far as i know, chris lives in seattle, and they dont have interesting accents there... i dunnno.,. just my opinion ------------------------------ From: ASDrum@aol.com Subject: Pretty Noose Video/Other Stuff 1) Just to clarify on the second Pretty Noose video: It is not directed by Frank Kozik. It was shot as part of an interview show send-off titled "Kaiser Kellar's Cellar". There's also a rather biting interview segment that goes with it. This "spoof" is based on "Look of the Week" - BBC 1967. To see just the video portion played on MTV is not getting the whole picture. In other words, it's a spoof, meant to look sort of cheesy, because its basis is an old English television show. It was filmed at KTZZ Studios in Seattle on 3/26/96 and was directed by Henry Shepherd. (QUESTION: IS Henry - director of My Wave - Ben's brother?) I still like it better, though. I don't think they look "flat and bored", well maybe Kim does a little. And Chris is not really paying attention, but he doesn't come off as bored, it's more like a hyper-active child thinking about all the things he's going to do next. Both Matt and Ben look like they're getting into it. I can't fathom why MTV is playing it though. Perhaps A&M thought the song DID need a boost. The band DOES look excellent in it, and after all, eye candy is eye candy. Who cares? The more Soundgarden I get to see, the better. 2) On Applebite: I like this song. A lot. It always reminds me of two movies that I've seen - the music is really similar. "Escape From New York" and "Nighthawks". 3) Overfloater asked: "Is there anyone besides the list and the beer companies that actually LIKE the new album?" Well, my local radio station, who NEVER used to play Soundgarden, until BHS, and now they play them all the time, LOVES the new album. You have to understand, they don't do that much raving over anybody, but every single day (I'm not exaggerating) they go on and on about how GREAT the new SG album is, how you HAVE to go out and buy it, how the group is SO talented, what a beautiful song Burden is, blah blah blah. This is two different DJ's at different times, and it helps that one of them is the program director. ALSO....I got my new issue of Entertainment Weekly in the mail today. In their "Cool Quotes" section, where celebrities give their thoughts on what's cool and uncool, Jim Carrey says >Cool "Right now Soundgarden is cool. I just love them. Their new album is soooo good. They just get better and better." >Uncool "Drive-thrus. Do they ever remember to put ketchup in?" So there you go. Guess it WAS true that he wanted them on SNL with him. 4) I was gonna go off about this commerciality thaang, but between Matt Cameron's recent post (cool!) and Adrian Alcock's (well said), well they pretty much covered it. Let's just remember, Soundgarden, just like any other band (except maybe the Stones ;-)), is not going to be around forever. They're doing this for a living. Unless we all plan to pitch in and help support them when they've retired, then leave them to make as much money as they can while they can. Let's look at Pearl Jam, shall we? I used to love this band. Now I'm just tired of Eddie's incessant whining. His recent Grammy stint was an embarassment - if that's how he felt, then he shouldn't have been there. Let's look at how Pearl Jam treats their fans. They played a show down in Miami last year, except the FANS, like me, didn't find out about it until it was too late. From out of nowhere, on a weekday at 5:00pm, the radio announced that Pearl Jam would be playing Bayfront (a sucky venue I might add-outdoors, terrible sound) and tickets went on sale IMMEDIATELY. If you weren't listening to the radio at that very moment, then you were shit out of luck. Like I was. Tickets sold out in minutes. (Supposedly, it was done this way to prevent scalping - but 'HELLO' you just shit all over your fans too. PLENTY of people were upset over this). Then the show. Security was a farce. It was one big mosh-pit (I knew people that went). So they care about their fans' safety. Plus, the band refused to go on stage until a sign from above the stage was removed, because of its "corporate" connotations. It was an AT&T/Bayfront sign - that's the name of the venue for crying-out-loud!!! So they made their "fans" wait over two hours while the sign was removed. So their fans needn't be concerned over them "selling out". And don't even get me started on this whole Ticketmaster thang. OK, so let's look at SOUNDGARDEN, shall we? I saw them at Sunrise Musical Theatre (a 4,000 seater, assigned seating, all seats are good, excellent acoustics). The on-sale was announced well before tickets actually went on sale. And I only paid $20. Hmmm, they used Ticketmaster.....what's up with that? And the show. The show was awesome. Security was tight, you had no one rushing the stage, no moshing allowed (per band's instructions), yet we all seemed to have a GREAT time. (Ooops. Guess I went off after all! Sometimes I just lose control) So this diatribe is just meant to say, be thankful Soundgarden are the way they are. Ultimately, what matters is the music, and how they treat their fans. I, for one, am pretty happy on both accounts. That's it. Ciao babies........... ANG ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: Blow up the outside world!! Actually, I don't skip any songs. I just play the album. I get in my car and play the tape from where it is. I go in the house, I play the CD. It sounds good to me any way you play it. Geoff ------------------------------ From: Chris Mansfield Subject: Re: The Soundgarden mainstream issue >I had to pipe in when I read here that certain people feel that SG has >somehow sold out and become mainstream. I have to disagree. Let's look >at Superunknown for a minute. Other than Spoonman or Black Hole Sun, >have any of you heard any other tracks from this album on the radio or on Mtv? most definitely. :) before i moved to the west coast i used to listen to 105.7 the point out of st. louis and i heard "the day i tried to live" and "my wave" lots of times. but yes, they also played "spoonman" and "black hole sun" a lot... :) Chris ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 163] ****************************************