From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 22 Jun 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 20:01:02 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Saturday, 22 Jun 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Spin "Fashion Spread" Re: a proposition (uh, not that kind) Pretty Noose Video The Soundgarden mainstream issue Re: SG @ the Showbox: The High Continues!! (quite rambling & lo Re: hey... Re: here's the review, kiddies! Re: Speaking of two videos... Re: like the sky... Lolla NY Re: Blow up the outside world!! commercialism and SG...my .02 worth........and other things Re: Blow up the outside world!! My Showbox story! Mr. Cameron speaks upcoming at iMusic Re: Mr. Cameron speaks imusic concert review Thanks Gonzo ------------------------------------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: Spin "Fashion Spread" Heather, you said in Thurs,. Digest that the following was a concern of yours: > ) The "fashion layout" in Spin? If find it rather incredible that someone > like Ben who hates the way the press has latched on to "alternative" music, > and someone like Kim, one of the most cynical, skeptical people I know of, > would accept money from clothing stores to wear their clothes. (Please > forgive the run on sentence) I really can't believe people are still taking this seriously. Look at the guys - look at the clothes. It was a joke! (At least that's how I see it). Kathie ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: a proposition (uh, not that kind) On Fri, 21 Jun 1996 erin@planet.eon.net wrote: > Hi. > > Okay, for those of you (well, I did too) who missed the whole t-shirt thing > with Nothingman, I know a silkscreening company here (in Canada) that would > do the shirts. It's an established company so I can guarantee that they'll > be ready as soon as possible and I won't "take the money and run". okay, i know seth is on vacation, and supposedly nothingman is having email problems (but somehow got mail to seth). imo, i don't want to send more money to someone else to get a shirt made. i don't know how many of us sent nothingman money, but i think we need to take a vote as a group and say either 1) we hear something specific from him as to when we're going to get the shirts, 2) we each get our money back, or 3) we get the damn shirts. for those of you who paid by postal money order, fyi, if you go to the post office and report that you didn't receive the goods, it becomes a matter of federal law and the Postmaster investigates it. I used to run a fanzine and I got a letter from the Postmaster for a transaction that cost less than *$6*. I'm not trying to say Nothingman took our $$ and ran, but in any event I think he is violating the trust of us on the list and we're entitled to some answers, soon. I think we need to accept that we're not going to have shirts in time for Lolla and just find other ways to meet. Do we really want to start this whole process again before we find out what happened to the first one? - --caryn having trouble getting any work done today... *yawn* ------------------------------ From: ADDC Subject: Pretty Noose Video I saw the second version of this video last night. I had the mute button on and I looked up and saw Ben playing away. I got excited, thinking it was the Burden in My Hand video but then I heard "I got the world today..." It is pretty cool, and it is also directed by Frank Kozik. So when can we expect to see their new video for Burden in My Hand? Mr. Kozik, will you be involved? Vincent ------------------------------ From: ADDC Subject: The Soundgarden mainstream issue I had to pipe in when I read here that certain people feel that SG has somehow sold out and become mainstream. I have to disagree. Let's look at Superunknown for a minute. Other than Spoonman or Black Hole Sun, have any of you heard any other tracks from this album on the radio or on Mtv? Down here in Dallas, the stations would not even consider playing anything else from Superunknown (Although Q102 did play SG a little more now that I stop and think about it). In the 120 minutes interview, Cornell said that after Black Hole Sun had calmed down a bit on the radio airwaves, there was a period where they got little or no radio airplay and where MTV really didn't show them as much. I mean, some people probably forgot that The Day I Tried To Live was made into a video because Mtv hardly showed it. Chris also says that at that time (due to this limited exposure) most of the fans at their shows were diehard fans of the albums and not teeny boppers. Does this sound like a band who has become mainstream? I dont't believe so. It sounds to me like a band who was playing its colelctive asses off for its loyal fans. Look, Soundgarden is a famous band. Don't get me wrong. But do not ever say that they are mainstream and corporate. When you guys say that shit, it hurts me as a fan bigtime. vincent - -youaretwentytwoshroom?- ------------------------------ Subject: Re: SG @ the Showbox: The High Continues!! (quite rambling & lo From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) > Thanks for letting me share my joy. > > Bonnie And "Thank You" for share it with us.. Enjoyed reading each and every word. It's a post like this that make this list great. Jamie ------------------------------ Subject: Re: hey... From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) > is there anyone > besides the list and the beer companies that actually LIKE the album? > it's even getting shitty reviews everywhere. > > overfloater... Just got this months Rolling Stone, DOTU did not make their top ten list, or the Alternative one. It did make number two on the Billboard's list. So someone much be buying.. Damn if I care, they are number one on my list... Jamie ------------------------------ Subject: Re: here's the review, kiddies! From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) > Not enough? Want more details? Write me! Thanks Caryn, great story... I am so envious of all of you... But at lease your posting gives us a feel for the event... I can wait for all the stories from Lolla96.. Jamie ------------------------------ From: Lightning Boy Subject: Re: Speaking of two videos... At 02:05 PM 6/21/96 -0700, you wrote: >Hi, > >Does anyone remember those 2 outshined videos? I just got those compilation >videos from PJ Starr, and it has both of them on there. I never really saw >the first one. But when I was watching it, it looked exactly the same as the >MTV one but all it was missing was the sand and the guy in the giant hamster >wheel. So my question is, was the first one a European thing? Or did they >just think it was trash and did the whole thing over again? > >stella Could you (or anyone else for that matter...) tell em how to contact this person for a copy of this compilation tape? Thanks a lot! .__ .__ .__ __ .__ __________ | | |__| ____ | |___/ |_ ____ |__| ____ ____ \______ \ ____ ___.__. | | | |/ ___\| | \ __\/ \| |/ \ / ___\ | | _// _ < | | | |_| / /_/ > | \ | | | \ | | \/ /_/ > | | ( <_> )___ | |____/__\___ /|___| /__| |___| /__|___| /\___ / |______ /\____// ____| /_____/ \/ \/ \//_____/ \/ \/ lightning@ag.net http://www.ag.net/~lightning/ ------------------------------ From: Gonzo Subject: Re: like the sky... I will put my money on Dusty as being the next single.It is an uplifting song and is a radio friendly tune.my second choice is Tighter and tighter. Gonzo At 01:04 PM 6/21/96 +1000, you wrote: > > just a quick question before I jump into my last assignment (does >anyone know anything about durkheim? I know I sure don't): we know that >the next two singles to be taken from dotu are going to be burden and >blow up, but I would think that with a record of 16 songs, surely more >than three singles are going to be released. what song do you think >should, or will, be released as the fourth single? my money is on zero >chance or perhaps dusty. > > ----------------------------------- > a thousand doors, a thousand lies > rooms a thousand years wide > ----------------------------------- > > > ------------------------------ From: stephen napoles Subject: Lolla NY Is anyone on this list going to either of the two NYC dates? - -S- ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: Blow up the outside world!! Someone mentioned that they were trying to figure out what Beatles song, BUTOW sounds like. I have to say, from the first time I heard it, I thought BUTOW sounded like that "new" Beatles/John Lennon song Free As A Bird. Anyone else draw that connection? Geoff ------------------------------ From: GeekGirl@aol.com Subject: commercialism and SG...my .02 worth........and other things Hey SOMMsters I was reading Steve's SG song advertisments...and well I was inspired to add some of my own....my personal fav is the new bay watch theme!!HEHEHE.... Overfloater---a song advertising new plungers JCP---JC Penny (Pose) Big Dumb Sex---a national add campaigning promoting no sex until marriage don't LET ME DROWN--- the new baywatch theme As with the whole commercial thing goes here is my .02 cents worth.. I don't really care what SG decides to endorse or promote...( they do need money as we all do!) I think that the band has proven themselves to be a band that doesnt just do ANy cause or any anything for money!! Ya they could have done woodstock but they didnt!! So they did the thing for Molsen.....maybe they also considered it a warm up show.. and since they needed the pratice why not get paid while doing it!! I guess what I'm trying to say is this.... as long as SG contiues to rock my world with new material and still contiue to tour I dont really care what they do..THey have'nt let us down before.And I don't think they will! Anyhow since I am such a writer and all ( Ya right...ya gotta love those run on sentences!!....did I ever tell you that English is my worst subject!)... thanks for listening to me ramble!! ** Thanks Caryn and Bonnie for the update on the show... we were all there with you in spirit!! bye all... "sleep tight for me I'm gone"! Dena :~) ------------------------------ From: UnknMan@aol.com Subject: Re: Blow up the outside world!! Geoff, >I have to say, from the first time I heard it, I >thought BUTOW sounded like that "new" Beatles/John Lennon song Free As A >Bird. Anyone else draw that connection? That was my first assumption as well. It's even written in my listening notes (I made them to see what my first feelings were & to see how they changed.) A guy I work with also made this same comment after I said it sounded "Lennon-esque." So, yes (c: cd skip watch: I'm starting to skip Applebite (which I like but I listen to DOTU so much that it starts to unnerve me) & Switch Opens (which I tend to like lyrically but I'm just not too wild with how it sounds - nor have I ever honestly.) Well, it's late & my hair's burnt (long story) so... ray ------------------------------ Subject: My Showbox story! From: tonerkin@usa.pipeline.com (Tonerkin) To: somms@mit.edu Subject: One more Seattle story! From: tonerkin@usa.pipeline.com(Tonerkin) X-PipeUser: tonerkin X-PipeHub: usa.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Tonerkin) X-Mailer: Pipeline USA v3.4.0 Hey Guys, Have you ever woke up in your bed and thought "have these past days been a dream or did I really pick up and go to Seattle and see Soundgarden???"Yes, I did! And I have the kindness of Susan Silver Management to thank! (and Rita too!) Glory me straight to Heaven , children :-) I SAW SOUNDGARDEN up close and personnel (not as close as the brave ladies,Caryn and Bonnie) but close enough to have a perfect view and the sound was fantastic!!!! You got the line details all ready. Susan and the poms!! (BTW how does she keep from having dog hair all over her black clothes?) On my end I also saw Chris's Mom go in. (I saw a picture of her in Deb's zine and I'm pretty sure it was her!) The guys in front of me said "You must know someone!" And she turned and said "You betcha!" There was a dark- haired lady with her- Jean Silver maybe????? Anyway, I made some concessions to my advanced age and the fact I had spent the last two days walking up and down those friggin hills in Seattle(I never knew if was so hilly! straight up to my hotel!) And opted for a table! I met two women in line (I had to stand in a different line that Caryn, Bonnie, Chris and Andrea) so these two women from Seattle adopted me. We got a corner table. Designated safe cool off zone for the stage warriors in case they got pulled out of the front. Also tee shirt storage! I kept the sommsters tees for them. Once a Mom always a Mom! Anyway we sat and had drinks for the first band, I got a second wind so when Soundgarden came on. I couldn't stay back there so I got to the top of the stairs which was a little to the left of center. I was happy as a pig in shit! The sight lines were great!!! And the sound from where I stood was fantastic. Kim on more than one occasion ran a riff by that sent a chill down my spine!!(oh! maybe that was someone spilling beer down my back?) Ben was really active and I agree he seemed in fine spirits. I watched Kim alot. I just wanted to see that head thing he does like those nodding dogs in the back window of cars. And he did it a couple of times.(I didn't notice any weird thumb action thought!) Chris's voice was in excellent shape!!!! No straining at all, on key just GREAT!! Yes, he looked good too!!! I thought the same thing caryn about his shirt being the same one from SNL!! Couldn't see Matt too well same problem as Todd, Cymbals in the way. Just some random thoughts: Chris did a version of BHS alone on guitar. I could of swore they did it the regular way and than Chris' version later?? Am I nuts did I hear that? Outshined was really good( I was suprised to hear it!) Of the new stuff the ones that stand out were of course Ty Cobb, Burden in my hand. I liked No attention too! Isn't it strange Todd says they made a longer intro into bootcamp. I thought they had a jam after it! It was really a great show, good place to see a band! Sound was excellent and loud but not too loud!!! Am I a lucky dog or what???? I spent my daughter's first year college tuition flying out there and a hotel! But what the hell! Life is short ! First your born than you die and I might not of seen Soundgarden in between! OK one last thing! Does it mean I am really too old to be doin this shit when someone standing next to me watching me jump around, scream and sweat. Leans over and in complete sincerity asks me, "Are you the Mother of one of the guys in the band?" If I hadn't been in such a good mood I would of slapped the bitch!! I told her I'm old but not that old! And I didn't have sex at 12 or 13 and give birth to Ben. GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!! Sorry for the long post! But this is my first time telling people my SG story!! I'm sure it will be repeated many times in the next few days!! I am sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo happy!!! Toni ------------------------------ Subject: Mr. Cameron speaks From: seth I believe this is for you guys... :) seth - ------- Forwarded Message Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 22:36:28 -0700 From: Matthew Cameron Subject: HELLO TO ALL YE SOMMS FAITHFUL Yes I do in fact check in on your beloved mailing list and listen in on what 's on your minds. I am happy to see that some of you do really get our band. It is not easy to like us and the true fans are the ones who stick to it. I commend you all on your diligent fascination. Anyway I wanted to clear up a couple thangs: one is that we will not be touring with Kiss. That would be too depressing. We apologize to those that were trying to get through to us the last on line chat, but we were not comfortable with the setup and frankly some of the questions were goofy. Hopefully we can set up a better chat situation for you all next time. Also the debate which pitted us against the free tibet concert was ludicrous. We have been been involved with many charities locally and globally. We have the right to take any paying gig we damn well please.Also, we were not invited to the party. Too icky and butt rock I suppose. The requests for drum solos are fully appreciated, and I have considered trying to bring it back some how, but after one minute of solo, it all starts to sound like Inna Godda Da Vida. Well it's off to the most hated lollapalooza of all time! Whoooooo! Can't wait to get it going. See you all later and keep listening. Matt Cameron. - ------- End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------ Subject: upcoming at iMusic From: seth The iMusic news indicates the following: Kim Thayil, music and commentary, featured on Rock & The Environment; July 1st-31st I wonder if Kim wrote special solo music for this...?? seth ------------------------------ From: Chris Mackenzie Subject: Re: Mr. Cameron speaks I know what Mr. Cameron means about his soloing sounding like Inna Gadda Da Vida - the first time I watched Louder Than Live, I thought he was playing it, and it turned out to be the intro for Big Bottom... Anyone else notice this??? ------------------------------ From: rea47935@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu (Rick Agrait) Subject: imusic concert review Found this at imusic's site (http://imusic.com/news/06219601.htm) IMO Caryn's, Bonnie's and Toni's were way better..but here tis: FRIDAY, June 21, 1996 SOUNDGARDEN SEATTLE SHOWCASE - by Bob Scheu Small Room, Big Happy Crowd Seattle's Soundgarden triumphed last night in their hometown. The Showbox, a newly revived showcase in downtown Seattle hosted a performance by Soundgarden before they take to the road for Lollapalooza. The Showbox is not a tiny club -- it can take a decent sized crowd -- but it was filled to the rafters last night as the die-hard (and lucky few) fans mixed in up with the stars in their sky. Much of the music in Soundgarden's 90 minute set was from the new album, Down on the Upside and was met with enthusiasm, but not much recognition. Pretty Noose the first single from the album recieved the noisiest welcome, but it was Ty Cobb, the punk driven "hard headed fuck you all," that really hit the mark. From earlier albums a solo version by Chris Cornell of Fell on Black Days was compelling and personal, while Outshined did just that, outstripping the new material in punch and delivery. Dipping back even further, the show opened with a rousing version of classic Doors chestnut, Waiting for the Sun. A little later in the set Cornell announced, "You're not going to recognize this one," and proceeded to totally nail a tune from the early days of Captain Beefheart (this writer's patron saint). For that alone Soundgarden deserves a spot in rock heaven, if not for leaving the capacity crowd literally screaming for sheer joy standing in the steaming debris of The Showbox. (c) 1996 imusic, inc. - all rights reserved. ------------------------------ From: dao5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Thanks Gonzo Gonzo, Thanks for your little financial breakdown, the only thing I want to add is that bands usaully get between 1.50 and 2.00 bucks an album. But your right though after paying the company back for promotion, making the album and such. Each band member gets about 20 -25,000 dollars per 500,000 units. Plus since sg wasn't all that huge when they first signed, and the fact that they own there own songs, and the fact that if you add the combined sales of ltl thorugh dotu it doesn't equal one Janet Jackson album, or hooties and there ilk. The are definitely on the low end of the band pay scale. Think about it if they got about 200,000 grand apiece for superunk, and didn't tour all that much they did not get alot of money. For all the bhs success, Chris said they didn't want to be one of those bands who get out and exploit success with a lot of touring. Besides even if they did get paid for the clothes thing in spin, it probably wasn't that much. I used to be a model myself (IF I HEAR ONE PRETTY BOY COMMENT i WILL BECOME CLOWN WITH HAND HELD TACTICAL NUCELAR WEAPON AND FIND YOU) anyway typical pay for magazine shoot of that stature is $150 bucks and hour for a 4-12 hour shoot. For and interview like that they mabye got 1000 total mabye more for one photo. It's not a lot when you think theres 4 people in the band. The molson think is not even in the same league as woodstock, because your exploiting the fans by having them pay $100 plus to see you. It was free for the fans and hey you can't tell me you would have taken the money. Plus thanking the wrong beer company really hurts the bands endorsement opportunities. Think about this, every pro athlete with endorsements wears something for that company whenever they are in the public eye. Thanking the wrong beer company really hurts you. Besides it wasn't on MTV the friends worshipping ilk don't know, so who cares. It isn't a big deal. ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 162] ****************************************