From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 21 Jun 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 22:08:37 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Friday, 21 Jun 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Re: burden in my hand Singles?? Re: Commercial Sounds emitting from the Garden selling out? wait a sec... lousy SG giveaway McWinner Re: selling out? wait a sec... Re: on mute.... I'm Going Tonight! well, i'm off Remember this . . . Help!!! Re: Commercial Sounds emitting from the Garden Overkill? Commercialism Re:SG at my door? Re: Chris the Scatman? Re: Commercial Sounds emitting from the Garden Re: selling out? wait a sec... some schtuff of my own... the sound garden SG shirts keep your hand on the gospel plow... I couldn't do it... Singles like the sky... Re: selling out? wait a sec... Copycats and SG Re: let your motor race... Re: SG at my door? Too many Americans? I'm not gonna get this assignment in on time... Monster Magnet SG at my door and in my heart. Copycats Thursday night report! Re: Thursday night report! Blow up the outside world!! some schtuff of my own... Another Pretty Noose vid? Re: Monster Magnet soundgarden shirts Re: Another Pretty Noose vid? Re: some schtuff of my own... a proposition (uh, not that kind) Re: soundgarden shirts Re: Wishing I was reaching for. . . Overfloating alone.... Re: SG at my door? report *tonight* Re: Underage Re: soundgarden shirts Re: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 20 Jun 1996 Heheheh... Re: Thursday night report! here's the review, kiddies! argh, how could i forget! Re: Thursday night report! hey... tshirts - last night Re: Caryn's review Speaking of two videos... SG @ the Showbox: The High Continues!! (quite rambling & lo ------------------------------------------------------------ From: jmend@interprov.interprov.com (Javier Mendoza) Subject: Re: burden in my hand >i know there's been some confusion about what the missing lyrics are in >"burden in my hand.." well i was just watching SNL and here's what the >closed caption decoder says: > >"follow me into the desert >as desperate as you are >the moon is glued to a picture of heaven >and all the little pigs have god" > >makes no sense to me =) and i know that they messed up with the pretty >noose video (the wooden snake this thing has got me on, etc) but the >pretty noose lyrics on SNL seemed to be right. so i dunno if thats >correct or what. Overfloater: which I get from Burden in my Hands is: "follow me into the desert as desperate as you are the moon is glued to a picture of heaven and all the little pics of god" or maybe "and all the little pictures of god" Hope ya tell me if you think that's correct. Se ya!! ''~`` ( o o ) +-------.oooO--(_)--Oooo.------+ | Javier Mendoza | |E-mail: jmend@interprov.com | +------------------------------+ Still waitin' for August 27th... ------------------------------ From: al639266@sun1.ur.mx (Robin Brookeneck) Subject: Singles?? >the next two singles to be taken from dotu are going to be burden and >blow up, I think I've miss something... I didn't know it... in my own opinion BUTOW... was a single since the first time I heard it.. > what song do you think >should, or will, be released as the fourth single? my money is on zero >chance or perhaps dusty. > Zero Chance...mmhh? that could be cool, but, another ballad? I mean, it is a awesome track, remember, after Black Hole Sun comes the variety of My Wave, Fell on Black Days and The day I tried to Live.... First Dusty then ZC (I'll bet), and Rhinosaur (maybe) or Tighter and Tighter comes after.. Robin Love IS LiKE SuiCide ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: Commercial Sounds emitting from the Garden On Thu, 20 Jun 1996, Heather Aston wrote: > I'm glad someone else brought this up. I had been thinking the same thing. > Several recents occurences lead me to think, that yes, SG have become > commercial. i don't know if i'd say 'commercial', i just think that maybe some of their priorities have changed. *shrug* > 1) The Molson's concert. They were offered $200,000 to do Woodstock, and > turned it down because of the commercial implications. That was unacceptable > but taking money from a beer company isn't? geez, i forgot about the woodstock thing! this makes the whole molson thing look slightly weird... doesn't it? i just keep going back to that interview... request maybe? where chris talked so proudly about how they are all on a budget and how he's middle class and comfortable with it (or maybe it was working class even)... i was thinking, that's great. here's someone with money and fame who hasn't let it take over their life. > 2) The "fashion layout" in Spin? If find it rather incredible that someone > like Ben who hates the way the press has latched on to "alternative" music, > and someone like Kim, one of the most cynical, skeptical people I know of, > would accept money from clothing stores to wear their clothes. (Please > forgive the run on sentence) i STILL think t his was a joke... or that it was just mentioning what the guys were wearing at the time. (yes, they might just wear clothes from the gap!) i can't believe that they'd participate in this seriously after Susan Silver's tirade in "hype!" about how she drew the line at letting her clients participate in 'grunge' fashion spreads. what gives?? > 3) The lawsuit. SG's management is suing to stop The Sound Garden, a record > store, from using "soundgarden" as their domain name. If the band had > copyrighted the name, I could see it. But they didn't. The record store > registered that domain name some time ago, as far as I know. That seems > like something one of those bands who are only concerned about how much > money they can make would do. For example, I wouldn't be surprised if > say, Aerosmith did that. They are a band without any talent, who are in > it for women and money. But to see SG doing something like that is > disappointing, to say the least. i'm going to disagree and say that i think they have some talent, but i view aerosmith like Rock [tm] -- it is unbelievably commercial, and i hated them in the 70's for that very reason. and no, i wouldn't be surprised if aerosmith sued, mostly because i'm sure they've trademarked the name too. in this case, i just think it's a matter of lawyers not understanding the internet and i'm not sure that the store is totally innocent here. (i know this is going back on what i originally said but i've heard some information since then that makes me think the store is not quite the victim they make themselves out to be.) i'd add to that the show tonight. i really, really, really think this is a publicity stunt -- one i'm quite happy to participate in. yes, obviously if it's a bar they can't let people under 21 in, but there is no shortage of excellent all-ages venues in seattle (e.g., dv8 or the moore theatre). oh well. time will tell. i'm just happy i don't have to go to lollapalooza... - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Outshined@aol.com Subject: selling out? wait a sec... why all the recent talk of 'Soundgarden' becoming synonymous with 'sellout'? This sudden thread actually kinda bothers me... not everyone's opinion, just the fact that it just popped up all at once... it seems that only a few weeks ago, when the excellent "Down on the Upside" album was released, I recall seeing many posts saying some things to the effect of, "wow, this album is way less 'commercial' than Superunknown", or "our old raw Soundgarden is back", or "this album will discourage many bandwagon jumpers..." but then, Soundgarden decided to play a show sponsored by Molson... it seems that no sooner did this event hit ATN's front page, than the word "sellout" begain flying around like a bat out of hell... well... if this is the worst gesture of commercialism that the band has comitted, than I say that all is pretty well in Soundgardenland. Hardly comparable to Spinal Tap producing a TV commercial to endorse IBM... to my knowledge (please correct me if I'm wrong here, I might be), Soundgarden did not set the asking price for playing the Molson show... from what I understand, Molson approached them and said, "private show. $250,000. you guys in?". Hell, any band would be crazy NOT to accept that kind of offer... plus, it's not like they got on the damn stage and started playing Bon Jovi and Def Leppard covers... they played SOUNDGARDEN music, the same stuff they'd been writing and playing their whole careers... in addition to this, at the show's conclusion, Chris Cornell thanked the wrong beer company for sponsoring the show... and as one list member pointed out a few days ago, this is NOT a good way to attract commercial endorsements... I still believe that, although the mainstream has warmed up to them, Soundgarden is still one of the least accessible bands (musically) in the spotlight today... my $0.02... comments welcome. Outshined ------------------------------ From: Eric Gardner Subject: lousy SG giveaway McWinner is Mayor McCheese. He can take the cd or trade for what is behind port #13...sorry, I had a bad flashback. Thanks to all who played. The next one won't be for a couple weeks, I am making a pilgrimage to my own holy land (Nfld:). Eric ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: selling out? wait a sec... On Thu, 20 Jun 1996 Outshined@aol.com wrote: > well... if this is the worst gesture of commercialism that the band > Hardly comparable to Spinal Tap producing a TV commercial to > endorse IBM... this is hardly a comparison! spinal tap are NOT a real rock band, they are a PARODY, they have always been a parody... which is why it was so ludicrous for ibm to use them... (about as ludicrous as ibm's banner at internet world: "when you think internet, think ibm" ya right.) no, they didn't set the price, but no one twisted their arm to take the money. they were made an offer and accepted it. by your reasoning, they should have done woodstock, about the same money and a hell of a lot more exposure -- far more beneficial to their careers than one secret beer concert was! i don't care about the concert as much as i do using sg music in commercials. sync rights? big deal! do they need that kind of money that badly? the discussion on this list had nothing to do with atn, but rather, the fact that jerm posted the information from atn. at lot of people on this list then followed up with some very intelligent discussion and questions. we are allowed to question this band -- they don't owe us anything except to be true to themselves -- we do not have to follow them like sheep. just because they're rock stars doesn't make them perfect. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: stella Subject: Re: on mute.... At 08:02 PM 6/20/96 +0800, you wrote: >fellow bleeders, > >hi.......nice to be back on the list...got a little problem you all can > help with (i bleedin' sure about this).....what can i use to play > the .au files that i got from seth's page......am dying to hear > them already.....gimme some softaware names...i'll look it up at > shareware.com............. > > ' is that a purple dino '.... > --- KIllYrBF (RVN) > > I use this thing called wplany.exe I don't like the Netscape player becuase it doesnt really let you save the .au file. Once you hear it it's gone. And wplany is really easy to use. All you have to do is associate it with the .au's ------------------------------ From: COCHRAN_BONNIE/SBCTC@ctc.ctc.edu Subject: I'm Going Tonight! Just got a ticket over the phone for $20. I was prepared (yes, lining a greedy person's pockets) to pay $125. Call me a fool or idiot, but it was a judgment call I had to make for myself. Luckily, the spirits were watching over me. I owe it ENTIRELY to this list. To show you the coolness of this list and the people you can meet on it, and to restore a little bit of faith in humankind, here's my little "good luck" story: I met Caryn on the list and we talk a lot (well, mostly me I guess). She met Andrea (former list member due to job change) on line for the SG tickets last Friday. Andrea said she probably had people to take, but they weren't dying to go. Caryn says, "I know someone." They exchange of numbers, days go by, lots of speculation and a whole lot of crap on my part dealing with the scalper creeps. I get a message today from Caryn to call Andrea. I call Andrea and, ta da, we make the arrangements to meet on line around 5:30. How cool is that? Totally, unfuckingbelieveable, but it is. I'M GOING!!! I will try to work with Caryn, and others if they want to, on the set list, etc. I have a feeling Caryn will be MUCH more qualified to do so. I'm not that great at those types of things. Loving life a lot more right now, Bonnie ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: well, i'm off i'm about to leave the office to go get on line. pray for me that it's not overrun with buttrockers already, pray that i get a place at the front (i don't care how rough it is, if im at the barrier and can hang on to something, i'll survive)... pray the camera gets a few shots... i promise to log on later tonight and give you the full scoop. hopefully one of our number will be sitting at a table so she can get a setlist because there's no way in hell i'll be able to... and if i see them afterwards i will say hi from all of you! - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Mayor McCheese Subject: Remember this . . . Good ole days . . . remember this little gem sent to seth. Well, I don't know if it's safe to say or not but couldn't this be an early track order . . . hmmmmmm. Some definite moves. Especially "Boot Camp", with it's hanging ending. But, my diehard associates, Ty Cobb doesn't really have a drawn-out ending either. It's interesting. Those of you how listen to an album all the way through should try this order to see if it brings anything out differently. -McCheese? - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 16:23:36 EST From: seth To: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: SOUNDGARDEN song titles Well, for what it's worth, I got this today... - ----- Forwarded message ----- Date: Thu, 14 Mar 1996 01:54:02 -0800 To: saperl@MIT.EDU HEY SETH, I SHOULD START OUT BY INTRODUCING MYSELF. MATT CAMERON FROM S.G. I HAVE BEEN REALLY HAPPY WITH YOUR SITE. THANKS FOR TAKING THE TIME AND ENERGY GETTING THE WORD OUT ABOUT MY BAND. BEING NEW TO COMPUTERS AND INTERNET, IT'S A BLAST LISTENING IN ON OUR AUDIENCE! THE TABLES ARE FINALLY TURNDED WERE THE PERFORMER IS BENG ENTERTAINED BY THE AUDIENCE. HERE'S SOME NEW ALBUM INFO: TITLES INCLUDE: PRETTY NOOSE BURDEN IN MY HAND ZERO CHANCE SWITCH OPENS RHINOSAUR BLOW UP THE OUTSIDE WORLD NEVER NAMED APPLEBITE NEVER THE MACHINE FOREVER TIGHTER AND TIGHTER BOOT CAMP AN UNKIND OVERFLOATER DUSTY NO ATTENTION TY COBB WE HOPE TO HAVE IT OUT BY MAY 21. SELF PRODUCED ETC. IT'S STRONG AS SHIT IN MY NON HUMBLE OPINION. CHECK IT OUT, HOPE YOU LIKE IT. PEACE. M.C. - ----- End Forwarded message ----- Maybe it's real, maybe it's not. I have no idea. The only thing that disturbs me is that I *can't* prove it's a fake. seth Mayor McCheese XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX "I'm so bad, I kick my own ass twice a day!" -Creeper from Dolemite ------------------------------ From: Mayor McCheese Subject: Help!!! Sorry about this, but I have no other choice, Someone else off this list got a clear vinyl ordered from Brydon Cheyney in Scotland. He (supposedly, and I don't have any reason to doubt it) sent it about 2 weeks ago or so. Did you get yours? I have yet to see mine in the mail box. Email me back if this is you (off list). SuperAnxious, Mayor McCheese ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: Re: Commercial Sounds emitting from the Garden > But still...arent some of you concerned over SG's increased commercialism? I really don't see their increased commercialism. Most of the reviews I've read of DOTU have been negative, so it hasn't been as well received my the media as you would expect a very commercial venture to be. I don't see the guys as being money-hungry, or fame-hungry either. This is their job and now they can finally do it full-time, which means they do it for money. For years they had to just play music part-time and work other jobs too. It really hasn't been that long for them since they were struggling. We need to be realistic. Some day they will have to stop and then what. Will Chris just go back to being a chef? They need to pretty much make what they'll need now when they can. But that doesn't make them greedy. I don't expect them to live in squalor just to "keep the faith". > Did CC's admission of being an alcoholic in the latest Spin bother anyone? Actually he called himself "a drunk". To me that isn't admitting being an alcoholic (more like being in denial actually), but yes it did bother me. It bothered me because it sounded like he was unhappy and drowning their sorrows in alcohol/drugs never seems very healthy for rock stars, or anyone for that matter. Chris strikes me as someone who could be pretty morose and drinking seems to suit him, but I truly hope he isn't as bad as he makes it sound. I don't think they've compromised their sound at all. The fact that they produced this record tells me they are playing exactly what they want, how they want. I know most of you don't agree with this, but DOTU is my favorite SG album. I would hope that would be the "natural progression of a rock band": that the fans will love each new venture even more than the others. No, I don't see our guys bowing to the corporate machine, except perhaps to moon it. Kathie ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: Overkill? Lee wrote: > Could it be we just aren't use to seeing SG in > the spotlight so much? We use to have to search for articles, they where > never on TV, never on the radio etc. But now they seem to be everywhere. > What can we say? Is it over acting publicity? Do they need the publicity? I > think they don't, it doesn't bring anything new to the music, which is > basically what it is about, not what clothes they wear in Spin. I personally > don't care. Would they have done this before superunknown? It's hard to say > cause they probably weren't asked to do it before they became widely known. Actually this has happened every time an album comes out since Badmotorfinger. I don't think it happened before LTL, but I didn't discover them until then so I don't know. I have very little in the way of magazine/newspaper coverage before 1991 when they started promoting BMF. But right before and right after BMF there was ALOT of coverage, both in magazines and on MTV. The same with SuperUnknown. Thats why every time an album comes out I think "This is the one that'll make them really big", but then you know what, eventually it dies down and they virtually disappear again. At least thats how its been in the past. Its almost like THEY decide to cool it or something. I've always seen it kind of like cold feet. But I've been typing some old articles for Seth and in one Kerrang (Dec. 7, 1991) it says: "It kind of varies, the buzz," sighs Chris, unfazed..."Sometimes there are moments when it seems like there's this sort of storm cloud of Soundgarden hype ready to burst and rain down on everyone, and then other times it seems like we're still lost, we're still in the background and not really necessarily accessible enough to any large amount of people to get excited about us". (So maybe its just the fickle press) And the intro to the article ends with "...1992 will surely be the year that Chris Cornell and Co make it enormous..." It didn't happen then, lets see if it happens now. I just want them to keep making music and keep touring. My biggest fear is that they'll get tired of having to play arenas and just stop touring. I can see them doing a "Beatles" and stop touring, but keep recording. I would really miss seeing them live. Anyway, the hype surrounding the release of a SG album is nothing new. Kathie ------------------------------ From: dao5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Commercialism Sommsters, This supposed new direction that sg is going is a little disturbing. However I really don't think that dotu was an attempt to get more fans, nor the same with superunk, why? Because neither album has rehashed versions of the last albums hit singles. 2 PN did initially get decent airplay on mtv, but I haven't seen it in 2 weeks. It's not even on the top ten singles charts. If a band is hyped enough it can get on the singles charts, but sg isn't being hyped all that much. 3 I don't see sg's contest on MTV the email was sent to members of the fan club. We have to realize that the average bastard conformist american isn't scrutinizing sg like we are so our perspective is a little off. I never heard Kurt Loder say anything about Ben Leaving the band, if it was Pearl Jam something would have been said. The snl thing, They like Jim Carey it gets A&M off they're back for not being all over the place promoting the album. I play dotu all the time at work, and none of the frat guys or sorrority girls (members of the bastions of comformity btw) start singing PN. I play radio head High and Dry and everyone who comes in sings along. Is radio head a part of the Main Stream? No is Sg not really? They are however shrewd business people, they own all they're songs, even gave one away to the sub pop single of the month club after they had signed with A&M on the Blind Dogs soundtrack it doesn't even say courtesy of A&M. So do you think that sg gets paid as much as there other acts hell no. If they want to make money let em' I can't stand all this crap about money being evil, and you have to be poor to be a good artist. If you were in the same situation you would do it too. As long as the music doesn't suffer and they are not on beach MTV thats fine with me. IF you see them endorsing Nike, and gatorade and appearing on every talk show on earth, and on friends worry. When the release BHS the album, worry untill then please shut up. What the hell kind of commercial band reinvents there sound every 2 years almost making themselves unrecognizable to anyone but there true fans. Think about this everyone who got ltl when it first came out considers themselves true fans. All 500,000 of you if a 1/3 of you buy a sg album when it first comes out. That will be enough 9 times out of ten to make the album number one. If all 500,000 told one friend about sg and that friend became a true fan and so one and so forth. They can be number one for weeks. Think of this Nana Mouskouri is niether mainstream or commercial yet she either is in the top ten or has a lot of the records for records sold. In other words you can sell alot of records and have a lot of fans and make money w/o selling out. It's about the music, who cares if they decide to appear on all the shows, if the music doesn't suffer please shut up and stop whining. ------------------------------ From: stephen napoles Subject: Re:SG at my door? In answer to question one: I would invite them in and then introduce them to my extensive Wham and Tommy Tutone collections and then I would practice with my accordian for them. question two: I would ask him if he'd rather have a case of Molson instead. - -S- ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: Chris the Scatman? All future b-sides by Soundgarden will feature Chris "scatting", according to the band during the live album premiere. Geoff On Thu, 20 Jun 1996, Heather Aston wrote: > Forgive my short memory. Someone mentioned the "Chris the Scatman" rumors > that had been discussed on this list. I don't seem to remember this, when > was it, and what was it about? > ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: Commercial Sounds emitting from the Garden 1) Woodstock was charging (overcharging) big dollars. The Molson thing was free. I think there is a difference. The band isn't going to give a shit about taking money from a beer company, when they will be playing for a bunch of people who bought some beer. Playing at a gig charging (wasn't it over a $100?) massive amounts of money is a different story altogether. That's my opinion. 2) I think that Spin fashion thing was a mistake. I could be wrong. Someone should email the fanclub to clear this one up 3) Hmmmm... Geoff ------------------------------ From: Gonzo Subject: Re: selling out? wait a sec... We the fan do not really know if they need money badly or if they are rolling in it.Consider this,A band,any bad on a major label only makes $1.00 for every CD sold for $16.00.If they move 500,000 units,then after the Label takes their cut and money is subtracted for the cost of freebies to radio stations and promos, plus other cuts that I can't remember,Divided 4 ways each member only gets $20,000 Now that $16.00 cd times 500,000= $8,000,000,that is a lot of expenses.I think a bigger band may make about $3.00 per unit.It is for this reason that a band must look to other avenues of revenue.Like Playing shows,merchandizing and publishing,i.e.mechanical royalties and sync royalties and performance royalties.And,in each of these other sources of income is someone who takes a cut i.e.with publishing royalties,there is a publishing company who may take 25% to 50% of your royalties depending on what kind of publishing deal you negotiate.I don't think the band has sold out or gone commercial as in doing it just to make money.A band can't ignore the business side of music.The day that happens to this band,I'll just know it in my heart.I won't need some magazine or VJ to tell me. Gonzo At 01:16 PM 6/20/96 -0700, you wrote: > >i don't care about the concert as much as i do using sg music in >commercials. sync rights? big deal! do they need that kind of money >that badly? > >--caryn > > ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: some schtuff of my own... On Thu, 20 Jun 1996, Hando wrote: first off hando, where did you hear that soundgarden were going to be here for the bdo next year? and secondly, are you still interested in taping me that sg promo video you got with dotu? > **** Does anybody know if there is a SG T-shirt with the DOTU > cover available ?? .... would pay all costs to anyone I was talking to a guy who works at a music store here in brisbane this morning, and he told me that soundgarden have changed distributors (brokum?) and are still to nominate a new carrier, for international sales at any rate. thus, he has no soundgarden shirts on his order forms. no old ones, and definitely no new ones. I remember someone (foreshocks?) saying that there is a new shirt that is similar to the cover of the pn single, so can someone confirm? if you have seen any new sg tshirts, then don't hesitate to post. interesting side notes: I'm listening to a promo of the new screaming trees record (dust), and it sounds pretty cool. the first single (all I know) just finished, and sounded like classic trees. also, vernon reid of that great band-in-the-sky living colour has just released a solo album, called mistaken identity. in the liner notes he thanks soundgarden (who thanked living colour in the booklet to ltl), and writes that "the day I tried to live kept me alive, man". good to see his taste in music is still exemplary :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Neuromute@aol.com Subject: the sound garden >3) The lawsuit. SG's management is suing to stop The Sound Garden, a record >store, from using "soundgarden" as their domain name. If the band had >copyrighted the name, I could see it. But they didn't. The record store >registered that domain name some time ago, as far as I know. That seems >like something one of those bands who are only concerned about how much >money they can make would do. For example, I wouldn't be surprised if >say, Aerosmith did that. They are a band without any talent, who are in >it for women and money. But to see SG doing something like that is >disappointing, to say the least. Of course they didnt copyright it, one cannot copyright a word, phrase or idea....but you can trademark "Soundgarden"...and I betcha that's the basis of the suit.... I think Soundgarden has every right to protect their trademark...awhile back I disagreed with Caryn regarding whether Soundgarden could act against Seth or this list for using the term "Soundgarden," (but she's been right about everything snce : ) ) since Seth and the List are not trying to make money of our activities here.. (ok, except maybe Nothingman...). The record store, as a commercial endevour, obviously is...hence, trademark violation. Soundgarden has every legal right to protect their name. Now, from a moral standpoint, the band should be a bit shamed, since they lifted the name from a piece of art in Seattle, but legally that guy is probably fucked because he did not trademark the name of his work.... LAteR....Brian the geek lawyer - -- nothin' but the best for the golden boy -- ------------------------------ From: erin@planet.eon.net Subject: SG shirts > I was talking to a guy who works at a music store here in brisbane >this morning, and he told me that soundgarden have changed distributors >(brokum?) and are still to nominate a new carrier, for international sales >at any rate. thus, he has no soundgarden shirts on his order forms. no >old ones, and definitely no new ones. I remember someone (foreshocks?) >saying that there is a new shirt that is similar to the cover of the pn >single, so can someone confirm? if you have seen any new sg tshirts, then >don't hesitate to post. If SG have changed their shirt company, they'll probably go with Backstage Pass (at least in Canada). I order all the rock shirts for the store I work at, and SG have been with the Giant/Brockum/Artimonde distributors. I'll let the list know as soon as I see any new SG shirts available. As for old SG shirts, they're really easy for me to order (there are about 15 designs to choose from in one of the catalogues I have) so that guy should be able to order ones from SU at least. Did all of that make any sense? No? Sorry, finals have totally fried my brain. Erin ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: keep your hand on the gospel plow... On Thu, 20 Jun 1996, onefellswoop wrote: > 2) I think that Spin fashion thing was a mistake. I could be wrong. > Someone should email the fanclub to clear this one up I'm sure this has been said before, but couldn't it just be a case of the magazine taking a photo of the band, asking what they are wearing and then using that as a caption? I can't imagine the band trying on and discarding various articles of clothing, prancing about in front of the camera at the behest of some cheesy photographer. and even if it was a "we will pay you to wear this" deal (and I really kind of hope it wasn't), it is a far sight from james iha and his recent trip down the runway for some ridiculous fashion show. btw hamburger boy (no, not you mayor), are you back in brazil yet? ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: I couldn't do it... On Thu, 20 Jun 1996 erin@planet.eon.net wrote: > Pass (at least in Canada). I order all the rock shirts for the store I work > at, and SG have been with the Giant/Brockum/Artimonde distributors. I'll > let the list know as soon as I see any new SG shirts available. As for old > SG shirts, they're really easy for me to order (there are about 15 designs > to choose from in one of the catalogues I have) so that guy should be able > to order ones from SU at least. actually, by talking to him and looking through his catalogues, it seems like the greatest proportion of shirts (not only soundgarden ones) become deleted material fairly quickly. he was saying that he could only get ones from the superunk era now, and probably not for long anyway. and now with the suppoused change of carriers.... too bad you don't work at my record store erin, but then again your access to shirts probably has something to do with your geographical position :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: ~Flutter Girl~ <76345.3722@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Singles just a reminder that singles will be on monday night on nbc at nine central i believe. for thse of you w/o the soundtrack--it's well worth the thirteen bucks. ~Flutter Girl~ ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: like the sky... just a quick question before I jump into my last assignment (does anyone know anything about durkheim? I know I sure don't): we know that the next two singles to be taken from dotu are going to be burden and blow up, but I would think that with a record of 16 songs, surely more than three singles are going to be released. what song do you think should, or will, be released as the fourth single? my money is on zero chance or perhaps dusty. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: stephen napoles Subject: Re: selling out? wait a sec... I would generally agree with that last comment. their sound is unique still dispite the deluge of copycat bands riding the alternative wave. To my knowledge the closest thing to a SG copycat band that I've heard has been 'Mental hippie blood,' a european band none the less. SG's unusual time sigs do weed out the less talented bands for sure but I still wonder with all the PJ and Nirvana copy cats out there. Their smart ass attitude also doesn't encourage commercial attention for sure. I would guess that Molson would have to be fuming over Chris' "inadvertant" slip (yeah, right). Stephen ------------------------------ From: stephen napoles Subject: Copycats and SG This just occurred to me, with all the financial and commercial success that SG have achieved, why Aren't there SG copycat bands running around like there are for PJ, Nirvana etc.? Any ideas.... ------------------------------ From: UnknMan@aol.com Subject: Re: let your motor race... blinddog (but posing as 'nothingdog') wrote: > as for the rest of your post ray, it seems to me that you are >arguing that the band made a conscious decision to *become* a metal act, >primarily by recording louder than love kim: 'do you know any winger stuff, man?'>. do you really believe that? >that the band would actually write songs and create an image that fitted >neatly into the company's category? I think soundgarden have more >integrity (and sense) than that. I think that for the year 1990 Soundgarden did try to pretend to be metalmen... yes. They toured with Danzig & Voivoid. They did what looked like metal videos - appeared on Headbanger's Ball (and continued to do so until Superunknown's release). I'd whole-heartedly agree that they had no other place to go in the music scene back then. Metal was big & that was the closest thing to what they did. Still Soundgarden doesn't really fit into a nice comfortable category which is why I really am proud of being a fan. They're rock... they're the closest band to Led Zeppelin that we have right now musically. But as I listen to LtL (which I did twice over the last 2 days or so) I can't help but get a totally different feel for the sound. It's a Soundgarden-sound but not what I feel on the other records. The lyrics don't stand up to the depth from anything from the last 3 records & aren't as consuming as Ultramega OK & 'some' of the Screaming Life stuff either (I'll ignore Fopp - with it's mere one original track.) I'd have to say that some lyrics are great (No Wrong No Right, Ugly Truth) but all in all I think that the Stone Temple Pilots have written even better lines. /c: Also the album pics... the band shot were Cornell is basically saying: "Axl Rose & I both steal clothes from our grandma's closet.", um... glam rock was a bad time. I'm not really trying to prove anything or make anyone think my way is right or that metal is bad or that Cornell stole silk blouses from Granny Cornell... I'm just voicing an opinion. Metal was a good platform for Soundgarden I believe. They caught alot of those aging early metalfiends that got tired of the crap some of those 1-dimensional 'artists' were doing & bought them into a realm of better music. (not my story, but I hear this story often) Even if the band came out & said 'we aren't metal' doesn't mean that at one time they made what sounded like metal. They weren't metal in personality (girls, drugs, hairspray make-up) but metal in sound... Metal's dead (and we get these offsprung bands like White Zombie, Pantera & Metallica ), so is punk (except for the pre-existing acts like Bad Relgion & the Ramones who continue to impress). They died & lead to what Soundgarden's been doing all along: metal riffing with hardcore intensity... even some 80's 'indie' intelligence & personality. Hm.. I sorta like the sound of that. ray ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: SG at my door? Sorry kiddies, but I just HAD to respond to this one... ;) >1. If SG showed up at your door, and whanted to stay for >the night, what would you do?would you let them in and >cook them dinner, or would you bother >them sooo much that they would want to leave? Ummm... I'd laugh, tell them that I'd sooner invite Axl Rose to spend the night, spit on Ben... and then slam the door in their faces. YAH RIGHT!!! Of COURSE I'd let them crash at my place. Cooking? Sorry... Shroomy doesn't do the domestic stuff. Although I DO microwave a mean burrito. Let's see... evening activities? Well... getting REALLY high with Matt, and then attacking Chris sounds like lotsa fun. Heheheh... a certain friend of mine would probably attack Matt, too. (Seth is probably just LOVING this...) >2. If Chris showed up at your door, alone, and says that he >doesn't love his wife anymore, and demanded sex from you, >what would you do? I think I'd give up just about anything that man could possibly want. Not that THAT'S a newsflash to you people. Ummm... what would I NOT give him? Three things come to mind. My computer (it's not just a notebook, it's got EVERYTHING in it), my car (I was shot protecting that piece of shit from carjackers last summer, no way will I ever part myself from it), and my black headband. I love my headband. It's a Shroom thing... don't ask. But sex? Yah, I think I MIGHT be persuaded into getting naked with Chris. Heheheh... might... that's funny! Shroom the lech Word for the day: Nymphomania... Morbid and uncontrollable sexual desire in a female. Shroom nightmare for the day: "Shroomy... I've decided to say 'Screw being a musician'... Nothingman and I are taking the shirt money, and running away together." ~ Chris Cornell (Words not necessarily said in that order...) <~~~ my disclaimer ------------------------------ From: Gemma Lewis Subject: Too many Americans? I don't think there are too many Americans,I'm English (hey laugh all you want). As someone said we don't have much to say.......yet. Except their new album is ACE! I hope they release another single. Oh yeah I cant believe people buy stuff of Soundgarden without actually knowing anything . SOUNDGARDEN ALICE IN CHAINS PEARL JAM NIRVANA HOLE SMASHING PUMPKINS ..............RULE! LUV Sickgirl ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: I'm not gonna get this assignment in on time... On Thu, 20 Jun 1996, stephen napoles wrote: > This just occurred to me, with all the financial and commercial success that > SG have achieved, why Aren't there SG copycat bands running around like > there are for PJ, Nirvana etc.? Any ideas.... this may sound like a very kiss-ass gesture, but I truly believe that the band is so unique that it would too difficult for another band to copy wholesale their sound, or to even play the same type of music. they do too many things and create too many different sounds (ty cobb, mind riot, jesus christ pose), and that would make it difficult for some other buttrockers with dollar signs in their eyes to copy soundgarden music. another possible reason is that you would have to find a pretty darn good group of musicians (who must also have no artistic integrity) who can both write fantastic songs and play their instruments with a fairly high level of skill all round to even vaguely compete with kim, matt, chris and ben. lastly, since chris pretty much is the focal point of the band, you must have a lead vocalist who can do the things he does. can you think of anyone? eddie vedder you may be able to recreate, but not chris. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: GeekGirl@aol.com Subject: Monster Magnet TO the best of my knowledge I remember a couple of years ago Monster Magnet was touring with Soundgarden.... does any one else remember this? 'I'm only faking when I get it right!" Chris Cornell Dena :)~ ------------------------------ From: ThNrthFace@aol.com Subject: SG at my door and in my heart. Hmmmmm, Well, if SG showed up at my door and wanted to stay the night. I would show them to their rooms, then offer them a Redhook, or multitudes of Redhooks. I would offer them all the Guinness I have, too. Then, I would discretely call everyone I know and brag my little heart out. Oh, I would also break out my bass and jam with them if they so desired. After they left, I would post every last detail about "My night with Soundgarden" here on this very list. I know some of you are dying to know the "boxers or briefs" question. Oh, it would be grand I tell you. Oh, and before they left, I would ask them to sign everything SG in my posession. Now, if Chris came to my door, demanding sex. That's a different story. I would promptly send him to someone who would appreciate it, like Shroom. (you can thank me when it happens, Shroom) Someone also asked how much would you pay to see SG at the Showbox. Umm, good question. I would probably pay about the same ammount as I did to see the Sonics, just to be fair to both parties. So, around the $350 mark would do it. And beer is cheaper at the Showbox too. :) Wish I could have gone, Aaron ------------------------------ From: ThNrthFace@aol.com Subject: Copycats Howdy, An idea on SG Copycats has spewed forth from my brain and through my fingers for you all to see. Silverchair (unoriginality at it's finest). These whinny assed little bastards have admitted that they try to copy Soundgarden's sound, among others. In an interview in the Rocket, they said just that. I can't seem to find that issue in my catalogues for any more reference, hmm, I wonder why? Just a thought, Aaron ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Thursday night report! quickly, before i die.... set list: waiting for the sun searching let me drown pretty noose never the machine ty cobb fell on black days 'drop out boogie' (anyone know what this is???) 4th of july spoonman black hole sun outshined rhinosaur never named blowup encores: bootcamp no attention chris was wearing what he wore on snl i was the first one on line (and the ONLY one on line until about 5pm) hopefully the pix will come out i got a drum stick chris got the set list it was GREAT -- not totally flawless, but still great. chris' voice showed none of the signs of the snl weakness -- everyone played well, ben especially seemed in a good mood that's all for now, i'm tired and wet and want to go sleep. i PROMISE to send the full report tomorrow xxoo - --caryn ------------------------------ From: al639266@sun1.ur.mx (Robin Brookeneck) Subject: Re: Thursday night report! >> set list: >> >> >> searching > >> outshined >> >> > Nothing before BMF and >then the only song from BMF was outshined!? This sucks! > >BK > > Searching with my Good Eye Closed is in BMF too... ------------------------------ From: Paul Mc Guigan <101540.3051@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Blow up the outside world!! Hows things guys?? I was sitting last night listening to soundgarden's new album (as you do!) and (feel free to disagree with me anyone) I think that Blow up the outside world sounds exactly like a Beatle's song, well the start does anyway. Its the vocals and the guitar that does it for me, thing is I don't know which one it sounds like...can anyone help me, it'll probably bug my arse for days if I don't find out!!!! Plus, is there any guitarists out there that've figured out any chords for the song yet? I be greatful if anyone could help..... Well, off to Ireland for a week so see ya soon... Squigs.. ------------------------------ From: overfloater@thenexus.com Subject: some schtuff of my own... S3>(brokum?) and are still to nominate a new carrier, for international sales S3>at any rate. thus, he has no soundgarden shirts on his order forms. no S3>old ones, and definitely no new ones. I remember someone (foreshocks?) S3>saying that there is a new shirt that is similar to the cover of the pn S3>single, so can someone confirm? if you have seen any new sg tshirts, then S3>don't hesitate to post. yep =) I saw one with the Pretty Noose-type lettering on the front breast in red that said SOUNDGARDEN (kinda looks like the font on the Beatles cd too. Same color) with the skate logo (y'know, that thinge that looks like an S and a G and a L7 and God knows what else) underneath it in gold, red and black, and on the back of the shirt like a picture of Soundgarden in black (on a white shirt btw) I bought it and it's a cool shirt but the back picture faded really quickly, I don't know if just my shirt is cheesed or every Soundgarden shirt that's like this does that, so watch out. I want a DOTU shirt dammit =) And people still call me Foreshocks? Heheh =) ------------------------------ From: chaneyk@stu.beloit.edu (Keidra Chaney) Subject: Another Pretty Noose vid? Did any of you check out MTV last night? I saw a different vid for pretty nosse and I was wondering if that was the European one that some of you were talking about, or perhaps an all new vid? Either way, I like this one much more than the previous one, even though this one nothing but performance footage....the other video just never rubbed me the right way....Any comments? Keidra ------------------------------ From: sfox@mailer.fsu.edu (Stephen Fox) Subject: Re: Monster Magnet >TO the best of my knowledge I remember a couple of years ago Monster Magnet >was touring with Soundgarden.... does any one else remember this? > >'I'm only faking when I get it right!" > Chris Cornell > >Dena :)~ > > I saw them together in Houston, TX in 1992. They played at the Unicorn (you can see posters for the show on Seth's page in the images section.) The line up for three of the shows on that tour (all in Texas) was SOUNDGARDEN, Pearl Jam, Monster Magnet, and Swervedriver. During the Monster Magnet set, Matt Cameron was standing in front of the sound board, watching the show. After gathering some courage, I walked over and started talking to him. We started talking about KISS because they had just played a club show in the area nights before, and he said that they had seen Peter Criss play a club a few nights earlier as well. We discussed a KISS reunion and laughed it off as impossible. What the hell did we know? Wow, that was quite a digression. You didn't ask for all that, did you? I'll leave you to your life now. Great Big Noise, Stephen R. Fox sfox@mailer.fsu.edu ------------------------------ From: "Limo Wreck" Subject: soundgarden shirts Most soundgarden shirts are licensed to Brockum. I think the quality of their shirts is less than average. They are made out of thin cotton, and are generally quite smaller than what the tag reads. And Blue Grape Merchandising (mostly metal bands) makes their shirts in almost the same fashion. I guess this is why I don't buy too many concert shirts. the best shirts i have gotten are the Pearl Jam "window pain" shirt and 2 Helmet shirts, "alien picture" and the "red sun/girl with a gun" shirt. - -- Jeremy Crocker, A.K.A unGod j_crocke@eos.ncsu.edu http://www4.ncsu.edu/eos/users/j/j_crocke/WWW/home.html "somewhere through a thousand blues a dragonfly descends with just a whisper. i'm lonelier than god, and all my wishes spin the fishes in the air and everyone a different shade of you" - "suicide machine", by Hum ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Another Pretty Noose vid? From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) >Did any of you check out MTV last night?..........Any comments? Comments, yes I saw the new video and it's ahhhh (trying to think of a nice words here) old hat, very psychedelic...... Okay, the shots of the band aren't bad... It's nice to look at them - eye candy is eye candy... But they don't even look like they are really playing, a few close up shots on Kim's hands doing a little guitar playing isn't to God awful - but over all they look flat and bored.. And we won't even go into the light show - flash backs to hootenanny days. I have always preferred the videos with just band shots to the so called concept type video, but in this case - pulling together a spare parts video just to put something out, is just cheap publicity.. Sorry Frank, but your name on the first "PN" was high praise, it is professional, well put together. But this second one, is just an infommercial.... All I could think was their record company didn't like the ratings so far for DOTU and wanted to push it in the faces of the MTV crowd... Jamie ------------------------------ From: erin@planet.eon.net Subject: Re: some schtuff of my own... >and it's a cool shirt but the back picture faded really quickly, I don't >know if just my shirt is cheesed or every Soundgarden shirt that's like >this does that, so watch out. I want a DOTU shirt dammit =) And people >still call me Foreshocks? Heheh =) Okay, I'm just going to be the silkscreener here.. If it faded quickly, then it's probably not cured properly. To prevent it all you have to do is find a silkscreening company and get them to run it through their dryer (NO, not like a dryer for drying clothes after you washed them, this is a dryer at like 400-500 degrees fahrenheit). If they won't do it, then you're basically screwed... :) Sorry. Erin. (oh yeah, you can't get it cured after it's already faded or washed, it has to be before it's worn or anything). ------------------------------ From: erin@planet.eon.net Subject: a proposition (uh, not that kind) Hi. Okay, for those of you (well, I did too) who missed the whole t-shirt thing with Nothingman, I know a silkscreening company here (in Canada) that would do the shirts. It's an established company so I can guarantee that they'll be ready as soon as possible and I won't "take the money and run". The cost would be approximately $10 plus shipping and handling (that's $10 Canadian so about $7.25 American plus S & S). The price is for a basic t-shirt plus the silkscreening. That's a quote for 20-30 shirts. It'll be less if more people buy. It can be the same design as before or a different one. It doesn't really matter. If you're interested, e-mail me privately. I'll even tell you the name of the company if you want to check up on them... Hey, if I was going to use it as a get-rich-quick scheme, I think I'd use something a little more expensive than $10... Erin. ------------------------------ From: erin@planet.eon.net Subject: Re: soundgarden shirts >Most soundgarden shirts are licensed to Brockum. I think the quality of their >shirts is less than average. They are made out of thin cotton, and are >generally quite smaller than what the tag reads. >And Blue Grape Merchandising (mostly metal bands) makes their shirts in almost >the same fashion. I guess this is why I don't buy too many concert shirts. It kind of depends on the brand of shirt they're using. Most of the shirts that I've bought have been really good because they're using a higher quality of shirt. My advice is to not buy white shirts though because for some reason the white shirts usually are really poorly made. Blue Grape Merchandising is owned by Backstage Pass which generally has good quality shirts. I guess it's just buyer beware... Erin. ------------------------------ From: HIGHTOWERN@Citadel.edu Subject: Re: Wishing I was reaching for. . . I would like to contribute to the praise of Matt Cameron and his three (or is it more?) arms. I believe that Matt is one of the most talented and versatile drummers to ever get on the set. Not many people could do what Matt does without being yelled at by the others. Those of you who have ever played in a band with a speed-freak drummer know what I'm talking about- the guy who changes time sigs. w/o really meaning to. What I like best about SG's sound is that it isn't dominated by one or two people. Everyone contributes to the band and it sounds great. Matt keeps the song going through Kim's crazy, supersonic, ear-splitting guitar riffs, Chris adds another 1000 dBs with his voice, and Ben does what Ben sees fit (isn't that the case with most bass players?) Those of you who want to hear more great drumming should check out The Aquarium Rescue Unit. The album they did with Col. Bruce Hampton is pretty good, but the one they did after that (In a Perfect World) kicks ass. Prepare to be amazed. That's all from this loyal and faithful SG fan. By the way, the first time I heard "Pretty Noose" I could have sworn that Chris said " Eat the 'shroom and kiss the snake." Did anyone else hear that or am I just doing too many drugs? ------------------------------ Subject: Overfloating alone.... From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) Okay better late than never - right.. I have been playing DOTU (amazing) to and from work and each time one of you talked about a song ending I would fast forward/backward to that cut and see if I agreed or not. Well today I decided "Overfloater" has the best ending for me.. Although I must agree with all the others members on their choices - damn hard on this record not to find good in every cut... But "Overfloater" has really got my vote as being the best on this record.. It starts out slow, moody, almost like being in a trance.. Then it move forward, building with each chores.. If you set your bass just right there are parts that you get Chris' voice and Matt's drums (my respect for Matt has double because of this song). Turn the volume up and the vibration flow through the car and into your soul.. Now I have a big mother of a Jeep and getting it to move to music is not an easy thing... The song builds and then slow just a bit, enough to catch your breath, then starts climbing again... Right up to the part "I'm on the wire over and higher.....I'm overfloating now...I'm overfloating alone" - Chris has reached up high to catch just the right edge of pain. And then the ending comes almost with a sigh, a release and you feel the rhythm of the drums and bass floating out of your body... There's life.......and then it's gone... The subject for this song just has to be life, not drugs or alcohol.. It's the life line on the hand of life itself.. You can put your headphones on, put the CD player on repeat, turn out the lights and "Overfloater" will make the empty heart hear the beat of other who have been there.. The feeling of being alone and forgotten will be shared with anyone who has loved and lost. Painful tears will not flow because "Nothing's gonna pinch this nerve of mine".. Mr. Cornell, thank you so very much for this song.... Jamie ------------------------------ From: GARIBAY V MARIANA L Subject: Re: SG at my door? Puedo delirar contemplandote, viendote brincar, solo predicar, que este planeta esta perdido y es mejor pasarsela dormido. Paco Huidobro. On Thu, 20 Jun 1996 Moonsta693@aol.com wrote: > I'm going to ask all of you(including shroom, even though I could predict > what her answer will be)the same question a friend of mine asked me. > > 2. If Chris showed up at your door, alone, and says that he doesn't love his > wife anymore, and demanded sex from you, what would you do? 'course you > don't want to know my answer :) > > > the original preety noose > Sorry Shroom, but I prefer to answer only this question. I would do the same thing that everybody would do (I think even men) I'd say YES!!!, of course. Anywhere (I'd feel a little embarrased because I live with my parents), anytime, anyhow. Thanks for asking. Mariana ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: report *tonight* hi all, i'm sorry to do this, but i'm at work, and have a shitload of work to do. i didn't anticipate that we'd wait behind the showbox until almost 1am for the band to walk out (we could SWEAR that only half an hour went by -- it's not like i was wearing my watch!) and i didn't think we'd get home at 1:30 am. i will post the full report later tonight. i'll be glad to field any specific questions if you have any.... - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Gonzo Subject: Re: Underage Someone was disappointed that they could not enter the contest to win tickets to see Soundgarden at some club in Seattle.That person said the reason was because you have to be 21+ to enter.That made me wonder why,so I made a speculation as to why that may be.I never said anything about all age shows. Abby stated the Showbox is an only a 21+ venue.So,I assume that is where soundgarden is playing.At the venue in Detroit called St. Andrews,they use to have all ages shows but drinking was limited to the balcony.To go upstairs ,one was required to show I.D.Last time I saw a show there It was done the way you described it. And I have been to shows where it is only 21+ to get in.So,you have been to 15-20 shows I have been to 200-300 shows. what is your point?Are you saying I am not allowed an opinion,I was merely speculating as to why the contest was limited to 21+ only to enter.My point is that there may be reason to believe the show is limited to those 21+ because alcohol will be served.If someone knows the reason why the contest is for those 21+ and that information was posted then there would be no point in speculating. Gonzo At 11:16 PM 6/20/96 -0400, you wrote: >Gonzo said: >> >>What is the legal drinking age in washington?If this venue is going to >servealcohol, >>then there is reason to believe that is why there is an age limit for the >>show. > >Um.... at all ages shows they often serve beer. They ask for an id & usually >then give you a stamp or an armband... at least that's according to the last >15-20 shows I've been to that were all ages: thus there is no point to your >statement. > > >ray (c: > > > > ------------------------------ From: Gonzo Subject: Re: soundgarden shirts that would explain why the white Ultramegaunknown T-shirt I purchased 4 years ago,It has The UMK symbol on the back,wore out so fast.The material is paper thin. Gonzo At 09:27 AM 6/21/96 -0600, you wrote: >>Most soundgarden shirts are licensed to Brockum. I think the quality of their >>shirts is less than average. They are made out of thin cotton, and are >>generally quite smaller than what the tag reads. >>And Blue Grape Merchandising (mostly metal bands) makes their shirts in almost >>the same fashion. I guess this is why I don't buy too many concert shirts. > >It kind of depends on the brand of shirt they're using. Most of the shirts >that I've bought have been really good because they're using a higher >quality of shirt. My advice is to not buy white shirts though because for >some reason the white shirts usually are really poorly made. >Blue Grape Merchandising is owned by Backstage Pass which generally has >good quality shirts. >I guess it's just buyer beware... > >Erin. > > > > ------------------------------ From: "R. Maney" Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 20 Jun 1996 holy fucking shit caryn!!! what did you think?? i dont want to post the songlist etc. cuz i bet you have already beaten me to it and i dont think everyone wants to read it twice....... my opinions: chris' voice WAS FUCKIN UNBELIEVABLE!! i was worried after SNL but he sounded incredible. he even pulled off pretty noose without a hitch. i was really nice to see ben when he wasnt pissed off. whenever i saw them outside of seattle he was telling the crowd to fuck off and "go to hell" he looked like he was having fun last night. maybe he's just mellowing out...but he still was doing all the crazy theatrics with his arms and shit, just pounding the bass so hard it was hard to believe he was even aware of what notes he was playing!!! i couldnt see matt too well, his beautiful zildijian ride cymbal was blocking my view of his face but i could see his arms and what he was playing. he blew me away as well. they are in top form!!!!!!!! you guys will like boot camp. they have an extended jam BEFORE the "song" actually starts, i was expecting them to extend it where it left off on the album but it ended the exact same way. rhinosaurs ending was cool, basically they just played the riff from the song over and over but increasing the octave with each repitition. more later todd ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Heheheh... CONGRATS TO BONNIE, CARYN, TONI AND WHOEVER ELSE ON GOING TO SEE THE GODS IN CONCERT LAST NIGHT!!! OK Caryn... where's the official report, already?!?! Set lists aren't enough, dammit!! We want to know EVERYTHING!! Details woman!! Give us details!! ;) >By the way, the first time I heard "Pretty Noose" I could have >sworn that Chris said " Eat the 'shroom and kiss the snake." >Did anyone else hear that or am I just doing too many drugs? HA!!! SEE?!?!?!? I TOLD you people that Chris was sending messages to me in his music!! And you all thought I was CRAZY!! "Eat the Shroom" Another of my friends told me that he heard that EXACT SAME THING the first time he heard PN on the radio!! I'm telling you... it's FATE!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!! "Eat the Shroom" Shroom "You know... when I listen to music, I think I'm cool." ~ my friend Bundy "Damn, but that Shroom girl is one sexy babe!!" ~ Chris Cornell "Hey Shroomy... let's get naked." ~ Chris Cornell (Words not necessarily said in that order...) <~~~ my disclaimer ------------------------------ From: "B. Kinser" Subject: Re: Thursday night report! On Fri, 21 Jun 1996, caryn rose wrote: > quickly, before i die.... > > set list: > > waiting for the sun > searching > let me drown > pretty noose > never the machine > ty cobb > fell on black days > 'drop out boogie' (anyone know what this is???) > 4th of july > spoonman > black hole sun > outshined > rhinosaur > never named > blowup > encores: > bootcamp > no attention > > chris was wearing what he wore on snl > > i was the first one on line (and the ONLY one on line until about 5pm) > > hopefully the pix will come out > > i got a drum stick > chris got the set list > > it was GREAT -- not totally flawless, but still great. chris' voice showed > none of the signs of the snl weakness -- everyone played well, ben > especially seemed in a good mood > > that's all for now, i'm tired and wet and want to go sleep. i PROMISE to > send the full report tomorrow > > xxoo > > --caryn > > This is the set? If this is how it's going to be on Lollapalooza, it looks like the old fans are getting the shaft! Nothing before BMF and then the only song from BMF was outshined!? This sucks! BK ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: here's the review, kiddies! like i'm getting any work done?! (well, now maybe I can... i feel=20 better. seth, i'll html this and put it on my page so any and/or all of=20 you can link to it with the pix next week...) - --------- Down on the (Very) Upside Soundgarden at the Showbox 6/20/96 It all seems like a dream now. I stood on the fire escape at the office this morning, coffee in hand, looking at the direction of the Showbox. A little more than 12 hours ago I was inside, front and center, pressed against the crash barrier and hanging on for dear life, sweat running down my entire body and singing along at the top of my lungs. Soundgarden stood less than 6 feet away. I'll never see them that close again=85. 3pm, 6/20 : I log off my computer, transfer the essentials to my pockets, and leave the office. The Showbox is about 3 blocks away. Surprisingly, I got a lot of work done. ;-) I'm anxious, I don't know what the line will b= e already, and I'm consoling myself that there can't be more than 20 people there already and that still means a good spot for me. Wrong. There was N= O ONE there=85 some stray alterna-youth wandering by, but no line. I politel= y ask the security guards where I should sit/stand if I wished to get on line and he pointed me to a spot in front of the doors and to the side. I sit down and wait, feeling like a total idiot. I'm sure those guys thought I was just pitiful, which irks me slightly, but I don't care. I consider going back to the office for an hour or so, but it's not like I'd accomplis= h anything, and if a line materialized in my absence I'd kick myself forever. So I sit, and wait. A vaguely familiar figure dashes across First Avenue and runs into the venue. Could it be? Nah. Too short, I think, but I'm still kicking mysel= f for not paying close enough attention. In the meantime, two guys have arrived in front of the Showbox with cardboard signs reading, "DROVE FROM PHOENIX, WILL DO ANYTHING FOR SOUNDGARDEN TICKETS". They aren't have a lot of luck, and of course the security/venue staff/band crew are mostly laughing sarcastically at them. Don't they get it?! If it wasn't for us, they would all be out of a job. I chat with them briefly and tell th em I overhead the crew saying that soundcheck would be at 7pm and that the back entrance to the Showbox is in the alley behind the building, if they wanted to try to catch the band going in. Two woo girls* show up and start trying to chat up security by telling them they're from Minneapolis. "Really? You drove out here just for the show?" "Well, no, we were here on vacation=85" They are really stupid, to the poi= nt that when the aforementioned CC lookalike walks out to grab a smoke, one of them walks right up to him and goes, "Can I shake your hand?" He shakes he= r hand. I'm not close enough to catch the whole conversation, but a few seconds later he takes off his sunglasses and says, "No, he's much taller." *snort* just from the cheekbones alone I knew it wasn't Chris. =20 I amuse myself by watching the unbelievably inept crew try to set up barricades. It's really not that difficult, guys! It's 4pm already, and *still* no line. Kinda incredible, if you ask me. I munch on my Power Bar and wait for Chris to arrive. Around 4:30, Toni shows up and we chat. In the meantime, someone on a killer touring bike pulls up in front of the Showbox and since we're talking I don't get a close enough look, but I coul= d have *sworn* it was Matt. Not like I would have bothered him anyway, but I wish I'd paid closer attention. =20 A few minutes later the security gives me the lame excuse that I'm blocking traffic to the clothes store next door. Well, where can I wait? He shrugs and points over to the side, so we move to where the line has been for ever= y other show I've been to at the Showbox. This would later prove to be a mistake. Chris showed up around 5, and a few minutes later Toni went to ge= t on the will-call line. Andrea and Bonnie showed up at the exact same time. I go run over to Pike Place Market to hit the bathroom and grab some readin= g material.. A little after 6, Mr. Security Guard comes over to our line and goes, "Everyone over here is will call, right?" Um, no, idiot, you told us to go over here. There's already a healthy line of ticketholders on the other side, and there is NO WAY in HELL I am getting at the end of it. I argue with the guys watching that line =96 they shrug. I go up to Mr. Inept Security Guard and go, you know I've been here since 3pm, you told us to go over here, this is NOT fair. By some miracle he tells the other guards to let us in the front. The people on the line grumble, and this is hardly gathering us good will, but I do NOT care. Lots of people milling about looking for tickets, lots of scalpers too. The line begins to wrap around the block. Someone walks by with two dogs on a leash and none of us paid attention until they walked back out =96 Bonnie leans over and pets the dog= s. We're whispering amongst ourselves as to whether or not they're Chris' when the owner walks by =96 none other than Ms. Susan Silver. Looking much thin= ner than she did in "Hype!". Dogs were cute. =20 Finally, finally, around 8pm they let us in. First, ID check. Then, metal detector. I've got the camera shoved down my jeans and I'm praying it doesn't set off the metal detector. Home free! Then, a body search. She looks at my biker wallet and says, "No chains". Fine, I say, ripping everything out of it and throwing it aside. She goes, you won't get this back. I'm like, um, do I have any other choice in the matter? Like I'm going to go to the car and get on the end of the line??! We're still the first ones in and I walk straight up the stairs, glance at the tshirts, and open the doors to the showroom. If they aren't ready for us, they'll tell us to leave. I walk straight for the front and the center. Andrea and Ton= i go for chairs, Bonnie decides to join us down front after some deliberation= . I make a quick run to the bathroom and then to buy shirts =96 Toni offers t= o hold them for us through the show. Okay=85 enough preface. Chris and Bonnie and I are right in front, slightl= y off to Ben's side. By the end of the show we were RIGHT in front of Chris. The stage is ready, someone comes on to announce them, the lights go off an= d I swear my heart just stopped. Beautiful blue light, Chris with his hair standing on end, Kim, Matt hiding behidn the drums, Ben right in front. We could partially see the set list before the show started but couldn't see what they were going to start with, and I hoped it wouldn't be something really raucous just to keep the crowd mellow for a bit. So they start, som= e lovely cymbal work by Matt, but I don't recognize the song! Or I do=85 because I'm singing it=85 wait! It's the Doors! Ohmigod, "Waiting For The Sun" =96 what a PERFECT song for them to do! A beautiful showcase for Chri= s' voice =96 I knew his voice had to be in shape or he would never have attemp= ted this! Ben was right at the front of the stage, his eyes slowing moving along everyone down front, checking out the crowd. I'm checking Chris out for Shroom =96 black engineer boots, black jeans, black buttondown shortsle= eve shirt, much like on snl, no belt, thin hoops in both ears. My god that man is gorgeous. (Sorry.) Next was "Searching With My Good Eye Closed" and I am just SOOOOOOO psyched= , I *adore* Chris' voice in this song, I love this song, I am just in heaven. The guys have loosened up, Ben is really, really in a good mood =96 I remem= ber thinking about recent list discussion where people have thought he was thinking about leaving the band =96 I don't think so. He was making faces, spinning around, having a GREAT time. I couldn't wait for the end of the song to hear Chris scream and did he scream! Total ecstasy! I just can't describe what that moment felt like=85=20 Next song was "Let Me Drown" =85 just hearing that guitar-bass-drum grindin= g in the intro =96 it was like a long lost friend. Oh this is great. I'm ev= en thinking I'm going to be able to remember the set list=85 the chorus was on= e huge singalong. "Pretty Noose" was wonderful and I had no doubts that Chris could hit those notes to night and he did. It and "Never The Machine" were kind of a blur= =85 until they went into "Ty Cobb". I think Chris took his guitar off for that one =85 or maybe for "NTMF"=85 not sure. But he REALLY got into it, out on= the edge of the stage, giving us all the finger, trying to get us to sing the chorus along with him. Serious audience eye contact=85 I know I caught his eye twice, don't expect me to tell you WHEN it was! (I know Ben saw me onc= e or twice too=85) "Fell On Black Days" was next and Chris was really into t= his one, closing his eyes and squeezing the words out. They fucked up towards the end and Chris cracked up, smirking at Kim. It was the best moment so far=85 I didn't recognize the next song at all, I mean, a total blank, it sounded familiar and I saw later it was a last-minute handwritten addition to the setlist. I was kinda grateful for a slow and unknown one right abou= t now so I could reposition myself and catch my breath. The crowd was okay, except for ONE guy who thought he owned the entire place and even made some comment to me later about not deserving to be down front if I didn't smile. Excuse me, asshole, I WAS smiling, if you took your elbow out of my ear I'd smile more, maybe=85 "4th of July" seemed to lose pace a little, but they picked it back up with "Spoonman". Lots of smiles from Ben, the occasional interchange between Chris and Kim. I'm trying to watch Matt play but it's hard, it's really hard, I have to remind myself. "Black Hole Sun" was next, just Chris on guitar =96 Matt broke one of his snares and he collapses on the floor behin= d the kit while his roadie (who is the CC lookalike from earlier today) replaces it. Chris is clearly bored, it's not working, he doesn't like doing it, it's my least favorite song too, and as soon as he got to the end and saw that Matt was back in action he just tore of the guitar and they careened into "Outshined", Chris slamming the mic stand to the floor and stamping his feet, probably th e most intense moment of the evening and my personal favorite. Huge singalong time in the crowd too. I loved "Rhinosaur" live, same with "Never Named", aw, hell, what am I saying, I loved all the new stuff live and would have KILLED to hear more! "Blow Up The Outside World" was great too. Who am I kidding??? They ran off stage but we knew they'd be back because we saw it on the set list earlier=85 with "Boot Camp"!!! which started with this long extended wicked-sounding jam session, I would KILL for a copy of this version, then they slid into the song and if you love this song, you are in for a TREAT live, I just wish I could have concentrated more and not been worried about fighting assholes off from every direction. And finally, "No Attention", I pull the camera out and start snapping away. I figured security would ignore me by now and they did! More screams, more Ben antics, Matt=85 damn that man is GOOD! Argh!! I could go a whole show just watching him! Song ends, they wave goodbye, very heartfelt, and they're off. There was some between songs patter, I have no idea when and where it occurred, he mumbled something about his brother being there and also something about the last time they played Seattle, at Memorial Stadium, and how it made him feel like he was at a high school football game=85 Maybe someone like Toni or Andrea who were further back can fill that stuff out. The third-best moment in the evening occurred as they were striking the equipment=85 I catch the drum roadie's eye and ask for a setlist. He shake= s his head. Damn, I think. Chris' guitar roadie comes out and gives a set list to someone else, and throws a pick out into the crowd=85 then a free-for-all ensues and I figure I'm not gonna get a damn thing and I'm tired of fighting already. All of a sudden, the drum roadie leaps off the drum riser with a stick in hand, across the stage, down into the security pit and hands it *straight* to me!!!! All I can think is that he remembere= d me from earlier that day, and I was the only girl down front fighting for something. Oh man. I think I thanked him but certainly not enough, I was more worried about getting out of the mob with the stick intact. I walked away with Bonnie =96 Chris was still at the barrier fighting for a setlist. and through sheer willpower and the ability to outwait anyone, got one. (Good thing too, because I never would have remembered all the songs in order=85 of course 5 minutes later I go to Toni and Andrea, "Hey, did eithe= r of you get the setlist?" Doh!) Went outside, smoked a cigarette, took a group SOMMS picture (sorry we missed you, Todd!) and basked in the total high we were all in. Chris and = I decided to try to wait to see if the band would walk out =96 Matt's bike wa= s still parked out back =96 but it didn't take long for me to get very cold (since I was totally drenched) and it was much later than we thought anyway= . Besides, I think everything that happened was quite enough already, thank you=85 though I was joking with Chris that I'd go up to Matt and say, 'Hey, Shroom says hi!" (Actually, I would have told him the list says hi, but never mind.) Chris came up with his own hilarious idea for a list shirt, but I'll let him post about that later=85. Oh, a woo girl, for those of you who don't know, are those stupid bimbos in bikini tops who get on top of their boyfriend's shoulders at concerts and yell "Woo!". Not enough? Want more details? Write me! ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: argh, how could i forget! two other important details: - --Chris 'baptising' us with his waterbottle (yes, he drank out of it first) - --Ben really nicely leaning over and handing his water bottle to bonnie (or the guy next to her)... it was *really* sweet!!! i'm sure i'll remember more stuff as the parts of my brain return... ;-) xxoo - --caryn ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: Thursday night report! On Fri, 21 Jun 1996, B. Kinser wrote: > This is the set? If this is how it's going to be on Lollapalooza, it > looks like the old fans are getting the shaft! Nothing before BMF and > then the only song from BMF was outshined!? This sucks! if the set you see is HALF as good as the one we saw last night, trust me, you will not walk away thinking that it sucks. they have a lot of albums now, you can't expect them to be playing old material from years ago that they might not have any interest in. bands grow and change, the kind of material they enjoy playing grows and changes too. btw, "JCP" was on the setlist but they crossed it out for some reason -- the only 'disappointment' i had. (and i say 'disappointment' in quotation marks because i would be foolish to be disappointed in last nights' show)... just my $.02. if you love this band, give them the benefit of the doubt... - --caryn ------------------------------ From: overfloater@thenexus.com Subject: hey... i just peeked on the korn mailing list and it seems theres a lil bit of discussion on DOTU :) a couple of people were commenting on how much the new album and then there was some less glorifying shit like "the new soundgarden album blows dead goats" and someone else mentioned how they worked at a used record store and the store bought back 9 copies of dotu in one day.. oh well... it just kinda unnerved me =) is there anyone besides the list and the beer companies that actually LIKE the album? it's even getting shitty reviews everywhere. overfloater... ..now i just wish mr. champagne would stop accusing me of listening to ace of base and abba. he is cute though. ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: tshirts - last night as promised, the full tshirt report: three shirts for sale: 1) White t with "soundgarden" in block orange/gold letters with ultramega "s" on front pocket (a little too far over to the side, actually) large black silhouette pic on back 2) black t with small silver silhouette on front pocket (again, too far over to the side) "pretty noose" cd single label in red on back, v. large 3) white shirt with just 'soundgarden' in the stick lettering from last tour on the front in black -- black collar, nothing on back all $20 (i got the black one) questions to the usual address ;-) - --caryn ------------------------------ From: stephen napoles Subject: Re: Caryn's review Thank you very much Caryn for your detailed and informative review. How I wish I could have been there with you guys. I would have loved to have seen SG do a set like that. I've never heard 4th of july live and SG doing waiting for the sun...I love it when they pull out classic songs and re-interpret them into a SG feel. Thanks again, - -S- ------------------------------ From: stella Subject: Speaking of two videos... Hi, Does anyone remember those 2 outshined videos? I just got those compilation videos from PJ Starr, and it has both of them on there. I never really saw the first one. But when I was watching it, it looked exactly the same as the MTV one but all it was missing was the sand and the guy in the giant hamster wheel. So my question is, was the first one a European thing? Or did they just think it was trash and did the whole thing over again? stella ------------------------------ From: COCHRAN_BONNIE/SBCTC@ctc.ctc.edu Subject: SG @ the Showbox: The High Continues!! (quite rambling & lo What an incredibly awesome night! I'll never be able to fully describe how cool it was. I met Caryn, her boyfriend Chris and Andrea on line at 5:30. Andrea and I showed up the same time as I was telling Caryn, "It's me, Bonnie." Too cool. Of course, Caryn was first in line to hold our places. The security guys running the shit out outside did not have it together. We were waiting in one line, for ticket holders, and the other was supposed to be for will call. Well, it ended up half and half so they switched lines, but at least they did let us take our rightful places in front. One highlight is Susan squished past us in line with the two Pomeranians (I fucking forgot their names too!). She does not look like any pictures I have seen of her, so at first wasn't really sure who she was. I definitely knew the dogs though. She was inside for a while and when she came out, they let the dogs pee on the building and I kneeled down and petted one dog. She was talking to someone and when they excused themselves to come back through I bent down and petted the other one. Caryn's Chris said, "That is Susan." I TOUCHED THE DOGS THAT CHRIS TOUCHES ALL THE TIME, AND PROBABLY SLEEPS WITH THEM! I was doing if for Shroom and then I realized that it was my hand and got all excited!! Whew!! Okay, so then they let us in about 8:00 p.m. and I am trying to decide: stand right up front and possibly die, or sit in a chair at a safe distance. I rushed to the bathroom and then tell Andrea I'm gonna go for the front for as long as I can. There's no way in hell I was gonna pass up that chance to be that close and possibly make it the whole show, no fucking way!!! So Chris, Caryn and I make our united front right there man! Oh yeah, Toni (tonerkins) was there. TOO cool! We hugged and were just hyped. I was shaking because I was really there, inside waiting for them to come on and looking at the mic stand and realizing I would be watching Chris sing so close, and the rest of the guys. Adrenaline! Toni opted for a table, but ended up being on the edge of the stairs that led to the table area. Just couldn't help herself! The first band came on at 9:00 or so, Devilhead. Not too impressive, but I would really have hated to be that band. Opening for Soundgarden in the Showbox. First show in Seattle for almost two years. 800 people capacity. Oh well, I was polite and I actually thought a couple songs were okay, maybe better if the lead singer didn't look like he had an attitude, "Fuck it, they don't give a shit anyway, so why should we try that hard." They did have another guy come on and sing and I thought he was pretty good and that jazzed up their enthusiasm some. I'd like to find out who he was. They set up for SG. Then off go the lights and the guy comes out and says something like, "Playing tonight in Seattle for the first time since August 1994, Soundgarden!" ( i was at that last show too) Massive surging. They were so good. We were just what, 10 feet away? I'm *real* bad with distance, so I don't really know, but it was SOO close, which I hadn't done at a SG concert before. I held my own at that barricade through their entire show and encore. Caryn went off on some guy trying to weasel in around me and then he was hanging over my head and using it as a rest. I punched his arm up in the air and the bouncer told him to quit it. Caryn is so cool, she just got down on him! The songs, the sound, the singing. Everything about last night was just incredible. I tried to remember what they played. You may have already gotten a post from Caryn on it. Because, after the show was over we were still right up there and Caryn and Chris were trying to get set lists and whatever they could. Caryn was asking one guy (looks like CC) for the list or whatever, while he's messing with Matt's drums, he picks up a drumstick and comes all the way over and hands it *specifically* to Caryn. That was awesome. It's got the SG name on it and is beat to shit. Oh yeah, and while they're playing, one guy who shoved his way in next to me is asking Ben if he can have a drink of his water. So Ben picks it up and walks to edge of stage and hands it to him!! So, of course, I gotta get me some just so I can say, "I drank out of Ben's water bottle." Which I did!!! I *think* Caryn and Chris did too. I believe the guy handed it back, but I can't be positive. Like I say, the whole experience was too awesome for words. Totally worth anything I went through. You should see my arms man. They are SO bruised and everyone at work is just amazed (shocked?) at me. Okay, so out of 50 people in my office, 6 know who they are, or have heard of them. Just two of us are fans, me being more fanatic of the two. Ted and me. Not many people who can really understand it. I went running down to Ted's office earlier to tell him, of course about the show, and that I had heard the Green Apple Quick Step and Inflatable Soule and someone else are playing the Capitol Theater here in Olympia tonight. IS are also playing tomorrow night at the Fenix in Pioneer Square. Andrea is going and last night I said I would too, but now with them playing tonight just three blocks from my office, I've got another goddamn choice to make! (oops, I digress) Shroom, you would have loved it. But you had five of us sommsters thinking about you, so you were there in spirit! I reached out to get as close as I could to Chris, god he's gorgeous! All in black and looking excellent. He even pulled up his shirt a few times and Caryn and I looked at each other, "Yeah!" We also had my husband take a picture of us. I look totally moshed and was soaking wet! Won't be my best photo, I know, but I couldn't have been much happier than that!! I can't wait to see the pics Caryn took. If they turn out, they will be really good ones, up close like that. I'm sure you've heard from Caryn, she's awesome man. I really like her and appreciate how she helped me through the extremely difficult days I had from Friday to yesterday on my ticket search. Her and Andrea. Yes, life can be oh so sweet!! Some more cool shit about the SG crew, or *whoever*. I'm not real sure who was responsible. Two guys had signs saying they had driven from Phoenix for the show and needed tickets. They were there when I got there and I gave them the numbers of one scalper, depending on how much they were willing to spend. Told 'em good luck, and hoped they'd find something. Saw them out front after the show, when Caryn, Andrea and I were having our, "After show cigarette." They had someone ask them if they really drove up from Phoenix, and they said yeah man, just finished our finals and headed straight here. They both were given FREE passes. Isn't that cool? It is still out there. I hadn't eaten all day. That could explain while I felt like I might pass out a couple times. I would NOT let myself be pulled off from the front, no way in hell. The security guy who was in front of me the whole night kept asking if I was okay and stuff. I'd either give him a big grin (LOVING it) or the okay or thumbs up sign. He better have been impressed! I'm short man, barely 5'2" and not skinny at 115, but still. And I held my fucking own (yes, with Caryn's help) against the surging, bashing crowd. God, when some songs started the whole floor just jumped up and down. Yeah, and Chris actually threw his water on us! It was cold and felt great and Chris threw it on me!! I tried to make eye contact with all of them and smile and shit. Ben was right there and Kim looked over a few times. And yes Chris too. I know I got more to say. They had a couple fumble things, but THEY WERE SO FUCKING GREAT! Ty Cobb Chris jumping around hitting his head a flipping the crowd off, Rhinosaur, everything. Like I said, Caryn's got the set list and will really be able to describe the music in more detail (and the evening in less profane and excitable terms). Okay, I got home at 3 a.m. this morning and was up at 5:30 a.m. I haven't done a whole hell of a lot here at work, but I'm here and was even a little early! Thanks for letting me share my joy. Bonnie ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 161] ****************************************