From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 20 Jun 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 15:08:14 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Thursday, 20 Jun 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Re: UMUK and LTL Re: Re:best ending to a song Re: best ending to a song Re: Re:best ending to a song nervous nervous nervous sg played surprise club show last saturday Matt the Great Kozik directs second version of Pretty Noose? Re: Ltl...UMOK let your motor race... burden in my hand and I don't like what you've got me hanging from... where does the pope go for a holiday? Seattle area Lolla announcement. Re: burden in my hand Depressing PJ Flaming In Soundgarden's defense...... Best drummers cont... Commercial Sounds emitting from the Garden Chris the Scatman? haha..Burden's lyric Re: Flex Your Head Re depressing PJ CA lollapalooza dates Re: Redfive Hi Dave & Commerciality Re: haha..Burden's lyric Re: PJ and depression Re: Some shtuff and nonsense.... Re: haha..Burden's lyric pj/sg depression Underage Encore.. on mute.... Re: on mute.... Re: burden in my hand Different Pretty Noose Videos Re: At what price SG??? Re: haha..Burden's lyric RE:Underage Re: CA lollapalooza dates Re: Hi Dave & Commerciality STuFF (Listen to the sleep deprived Shroom babble...) Re: Chris the Scatman? SG at my door? RE:Underage Re: SG at my door? Re: SG at my door? sg tshirts online Re: Re: PJ and depression LTL And Other Albums ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Gonzo Subject: Re: UMUK and LTL UltraMegaUnknown had songs that were more riff based,and the songs were not developed enough.The writers did not spent enough time to make the parts stronger. With Louder then Love,the band moved to a more cohesive writing style. Kim especially,expanded his repetoire of technique.I look a this album as the harmonics,feedback,percusive album.On many of the songs you can hear all types of harmonics being used as ideas.I can think of the names of all the tracks. Some are Gun,Uncovered, and No Wrong ,No Right,Loud Love. Gonzo At 01:22 PM 6/19/96 +1000, you wrote: >On Tue, 18 Jun 1996 HIGHTOWERN@Citadel.edu wrote: > >> By the way, here is a question for you fans out there that I have had with a >> couple of people. Do you think that Badmotorfinger was the most improved album >> SG has done? To me, there is no bigger difference in style than the one that > > I'd have to go for the period between ultramega ok and louder than >love. I know a lot of people disagree with me, but ultramega sounds kinda >sloppy in places. everything was all over the place; matt's drums didn't >sound very good, chris' voice jumped around and the production was a tad >raw for my liking (am I the only one who can't get anything out of the >ultramega lyrics?). it's amazing to me the difference in sound they >achieved on ltl. their energy - which certainly wasn't lacking on >ultramega - was far more focused, and can make for a better listen >(whether the songs are better is debatable). overall, there is a huge >difference between songs like nazi driver and head injury, when compared >to hands all over and loud love. > > ----------------------------------- > a thousand doors, a thousand lies > rooms a thousand years wide > ----------------------------------- > > > ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Re:best ending to a song From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) > On another note, I just joined the list, so I don't know if this has been > hashed out before, but why is there a cross next to 4th Of July on the back > of Superunknown? I do believe if you look on the last page of the insert book, you will see in the second column, the cross depicts: Mixed by Michael Reinhorn at Electric Lady, NY.. Jamie I may not always be right, but I'm never wrong. ------------------------------ From: UnknMan@aol.com Subject: Re: best ending to a song In a message dated 96-06-19 16:14:53 EDT, you write: >On another note, I just joined the list, so I don't know if this has been >hashed out before, but why is there a cross next to 4th Of July on the back >of Superunknown? This denotes that the track was mixed by Mike Beinhorn @ Electric Lady in NY as opposed to mixed by Brendan O'Brien @ Bad Animals as the reminder of the album was. Also the * is by She Likes Surprises on the non-US / Canadian release because of a similar reason. Check the last page of the linear notes for full details. ray ------------------------------ From: Lightning Boy Subject: Re: Re:best ending to a song At 06:15 PM 6/19/96 -0400, you wrote: >> On another note, I just joined the list, so I don't know if this has been >> hashed out before, but why is there a cross next to 4th Of July on the >back >> of Superunknown? > > >I do believe if you look on the last page of the insert book, you will see >in the second column, the cross depicts: Mixed by Michael Reinhorn at >Electric Lady, NY.. > >Jamie >I may not always be right, but I'm never wrong. You're not wrong on this one either! Thanks a bunch! I normally study the liner notes on all my CD's but this one slipped by me. Thanks Again! .__ .__ .__ __ .__ __________ | | |__| ____ | |___/ |_ ____ |__| ____ ____ \______ \ ____ ___.__. | | | |/ ___\| | \ __\/ \| |/ \ / ___\ | | _// _ < | | | |_| / /_/ > | \ | | | \ | | \/ /_/ > | | ( <_> )___ | |____/__\___ /|___| /__| |___| /__|___| /\___ / |______ /\____// ____| /_____/ \/ \/ \//_____/ \/ \/ lightning@ag.net Keeper of the "New Complete AIC Lyrics Songbook" (Now in version 2.0!) http://www.ag.net/~lightning/aicsongs.txt ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: nervous nervous nervous at this time tomorrow i'll be on line for the show. *gak* it's a wonder i'm getting anything done i hate to see what tomorrow will be like (i know, i know, you all s hould have such problems.) if anyone on here who is going and hasn't contated me yet, i'm a redhead and i'll be wearing a black and tan tiedyed ramones shirt. hopefully, at the front of the line.... i hope 4pm is early enough *sigh* - --caryn ------------------------------ From: ssssp@ix.netcom.com (S. Mohanty) Subject: sg played surprise club show last saturday Did anyone from the list or knows anyone who went to a club last Saturday to see SG show and play a surprise set. According to Addicted To Noise, they were payed by Molson to play the show in front of 400 people. I wonder what the setlist was. They better play Slaves & Bulldozers at Lollapalooza! Thanks, - -Siva ------------------------------ From: dao5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Matt the Great Sommites, I have one small comment on Matt's Drumming Prowess. Just listen to say hello to heaven. At first glance (in an audio sense) it sounds like a really simple 4/4 arrangement, to the tune of snare on the 1, 2, (snare) 3, 4( Bass Pedal) Basically like the drummer is tapping out 4ths on the High Hat, and on the 2 he hits the snare (I think thats what it's called, I never took lessons just play by ear) and on the 4 he hits the bass pedal. However if you listen really close you will find that Matt is subtly changing the pattern within that aforementioned structure yes he is indeed playing how I just said, but he is also doing several other things with the extra appendages I know he has but he hides somewhere. Thereby giving the song a very intricate structure that fits and almost hides in the arrangement. I hope that sounded right, I never took drumming lessons, I just listen very close and try to imitate what I am hearing. Btw can anyone on the list play the drums to Cold Bitch? Clown ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: Kozik directs second version of Pretty Noose? Hey List! The Wednesday Night TV Blues continues... After the New HOOTIE! video (or was it some cheap R&B thing..dunno) I just saw a SECOND VERSION of "Pretty Noose". The credits say it was directed by Frank Kozik. Is this a typo? Is this the European Version? Is this a NEW version? For a reference to this new video..check out Ben. He is playing a Hofner (sp) bass. The same kind that Paul McCartney played. ;-) Maybe that's where the Beatles sound comes from ;-) Anyone, Anyone...Kozik, Kozik? Steve ------------------------------ From: stephen napoles Subject: Re: Ltl...UMOK Wow, I didn't know there were so many LtL dislikers out there. I know several people who are big SG fans who name LtL as their favorite album! Just to get on the record, I like LtL a lot. I think it's better than Ultra because I know I skip many more songs on Ultra than I do on Louder. I'd like to end this post with a question...In switch opens, the last chorus' lyrics are incorrect on the lyric booklet. It's in the last chorus, the third line. Can anyone figure out what Chris is saying? - -S- ------------------------------ From: nothingdog Subject: let your motor race... On Wed, 19 Jun 1996 UnknMan@aol.com wrote: > almost think that A&M said: "OK, boys y'all did a great job on the last > these cock-rockers? See the money they make? You too can do it! Just right > something in their head said, "Fuck the record company" & they broke out of > the mold that A&M tried to force them into. They did an honest to > It's spottily documented that A&M WAS in fact trying to promote Soundgarden > as a metal band during 1990. Look back at it now & it is quite apparent. It I agree that a&m may have been trying to promote soundgarden as a metal act in the early 90s, but I think it was more a case of the recording company understanding that there are no 'soundgarden' categories in either the record stores or the during the music award nights. we all agree (hopefully) that soundgarden are something more than just plain ol' rock and have a fairly singular sound, so what else could they do? 'alternative' music was yet to become the 'next big thing', and so trying to market the band would have been a difficult task. as for the rest of your post ray, it seems to me that you are arguing that the band made a conscious decision to *become* a metal act, primarily by recording louder than love . do you really believe that? that the band would actually write songs and create an image that fitted neatly into the company's category? I think soundgarden have more integrity (and sense) than that. > All in all... Soundgarden booted all sense of a PRODUCER & did THEIR record. > No record company begging them to do Black Hole Sun the album; no producer > They finally got to do a high quality Soundgarden record as SOUNDGARDEN > would do it. (Has anyone heard what Terry Date's been doing lately? I I agree (in some respects) that dotu is better for not having an outside producer meddling around in the booth. but don't dump on terry date for the sounds on louder than love (which was also co-produced by the band themselves and, importantly, jack endino). it was the pairing of date and soundgarden which produced the list-renowned badmotorfinger :) as for date himself, I think he produces albums for white zombie and pantera, but I'm not sure. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: overfloater@thenexus.com Subject: burden in my hand i know there's been some confusion about what the missing lyrics are in "burden in my hand.." well i was just watching SNL and here's what the closed caption decoder says: "follow me into the desert as desperate as you are the moon is glued to a picture of heaven and all the little pigs have god" makes no sense to me =) and i know that they messed up with the pretty noose video (the wooden snake this thing has got me on, etc) but the pretty noose lyrics on SNL seemed to be right. so i dunno if thats correct or what. ------------------------------ From: nothingdog Subject: and I don't like what you've got me hanging from... just a couple of minor things. first off, for all the listers who feel that soundgarden have, at some time in their career, sold-out musically (ie. showing their buttrock butts to the music world at large): chris cornell on selling out - "music driven by money deserves to fail". kim thayil on same - "obviously we're not gonna come out with all the metal cliches that have been put on the radio for the past eight years. if we were going to patronise the audience that likes that stuff, we might as well be another bon jovi or cinderella...we did this not for the usual rewards -- girls on our shoulders. we just like writing songs and playing". I think the last line of the missing burden lyrics is 'and all the little pigs have gone', but that is just my ears and not an autoprompt. too bad they didn't do overfloater on snl, so we could get the missing verse to it also :) still on overfloater - does anyone really think that chris is singing 'wanna make it right' in the bridge of overfloater? I've listened to it dozens of times, and I'm almost positive that he is singing 'won't make it right'. I could be way off base though, because that would change the entire tone of the song. lastly, a journalist in a newspaper here in australia said in an article on soundgarden that in the movie dead man walking, sean penn modelled himself after chris' wolfboy/goatee look. has anyone else heard this, because I'm wondering if she just made it up to fill space. sounds kinda dumb to me. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: where does the pope go for a holiday? On Wed, 19 Jun 1996, Steve Koca wrote: > says next up is Pretty Noose from Soundgarden. It's off their new album > DOTU. I get really hyped up since I've only seen the video twice. But > then, it was a different video. At the beginning some guy said something > and then the guys were in a room playing. Anyone know why this is? I'm not sure if this is also what you were talking about steve, but the one where they are playing in the room is the european version or the promo version or something of that ilk. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: ThNrthFace@aol.com Subject: Seattle area Lolla announcement. Yes, fellow Sommsters, it's finally official. Lollapalooza will be making a stop at the Gorge *ugh* on the 30th of July. The show starts at 2 in the afternoon. Tickets go on sale Saturday at 9:30am and are $41.50 plus the all too wonderful service charge. I have several problems with this. (1) I absolutely HATE the Gorge. It's so coorporate now, not to mention a pain in the ass. It takes about 4 hours to get there, it's as hot as hell (maybe hotter), and it takes FOREVER to get out of the parking lot and home again. A case in point, last year, I went to Live there, and I didn't get home until 5 in the morning. (2) It's on a Tuesday at 2:00pm. What were they thinking? Who in the fuck decided this? In reality, those who have jobs will have to miss 2 days of work. That is unless you go to work without sleeping. Not to mention that it starts just when the tempurature should be rising into the 90's. I say that the W. Washington concert goer should demand a larger venue that is suited to hold the large capacity crowds that these type of festivals draw on the west side of the mountains. Sorry for going off there. Was that considered a worthwhile post? ;) Aaron ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: burden in my hand At 09:34 PM 6/19/96 -0500, overfloater@thenexus.com wrote: >i know there's been some confusion about what the missing lyrics are in >"burden in my hand.." well i was just watching SNL and here's what the >closed caption decoder says: > >"follow me into the desert >as desperate as you are >the moon is glued to a picture of heaven >and all the little pigs have god" > >makes no sense to me =) a friend of mine watched the grammys with her cc on (that's closed caption, NOT chris cornell ;-) ) and when pj were on they REALLY had a problem with both dave abbrusezze's name as well as alice in chains... don't remember what the translation was. my point being, jsut because it's in close caption doesn't mean it's right... - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Adrian Alcock Subject: Depressing PJ This is a couple of days late, but I was too pissed at sleeping through the easiest exam of my life yesterday to read mail. OK. With regards to EV beeing totally depressing and how he should get over it etc... The thing that I really dig about Vedder's lyrical style is the fact that no matter how you're feeling, he seems always to have written a song that encapsulates exactly what you are experiencing. Whether you've cut loose from a violent relationship (Rearviewmirror), or confronted with some brown nosing shitsucker (Satan's Bed) or just feeling a little bittersweet about the one you love (Indifference). It just seems that CC can't really do that for me. Also, although I respect Cornell's singing ability _FAR_ more than Vedder's (even just for the range alone) I believe Ed is way easier to listen to due to CC kinda blowing yer skull out. Either way, the two of them still kick ass. Is why "Hunger Strike" is such a fat song. Instrumentally speaking, there is nothing special about it, but those vocals... - Every time I think I've won, I hear your voice inside - Questioning me QUEENSRYCHE ------------------------------ From: Adrian Alcock Subject: Flaming One of the beauties of the as yet uncensored medium upon which we all converse is the priveledge of concise, frank discussion. Can't get much more frank and concise than "eat shit" or "shut the f___ up." It can be quite entertaining to watch at times, especially when one party is totally nailed by another. So if it's SG related, who cares? If you have a problem with flaming or ppl not being nice to each other, check out BBS Olohof (olohof.et.tudelft.nl 2993). Those guys are so politically correct and downright NICE that it makes me want to vomit. While you're there, scope for a guy called Thrasha... Just my 1.68 Yen - I wasted my time, til time wasted me SAVATAGE ------------------------------ From: ASDrum@aol.com Subject: In Soundgarden's defense...... OK, let's start with the easy part. To Steve Koca: I believe the second version of the Pretty Noose video you mentioned seeing on MTV comes from a short film shot by the band as an A&M promo - " Kaiser Kellar's Cellar". I haven't seen it aired on MTV, but it sounds like it's one and the same. The promo version has Chris in a white t-shirt and black jacket, they're playing in what appears to be a television studio, and it's introduced by a bald guy with a German accent? If it's the one, I can't believe they're playing it on MTV!! I must admit I like this version better (sorry Frank). There's a funny part - don't know if it's intentional - where Chris screws up the lip-synching in the first verse. As far as Louder Than Love goes........true it's not THAT great of an album, but it's not really the band's fault. From 'New Metal Crown' -