From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 19 Jun 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 18:28:26 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Wednesday, 19 Jun 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Stupid posts rantings.. Too many Americans... skinmastaz... Re: Too many Americans... Flex Your Head sg on film... Wellwater Conspiracy Homepage Re: Too many Americans... Re: sg on film... somms@mit.edu font Commercial Sounds emitting from the Garden rantings.. Fresh Deadly Tendrils Re: clear vinyl/TOTD ATTN. COLLECTORS goobledygook Re: Commercial Sounds emitting from the Garden Dotu or something Commercial Sounds emitting from the Garden Re: Commercial Sounds emitting from the Garden tiny baby cries... Re: Commercial Sounds emitting from the Garden heart it takes could be mine... Re: clear vinyl Re: Commercial Sounds emitting from the Garden Re: Soundgarden on SNL it could happen.... Re: tiny baby cries... LONG POST! RE: Are you SERIOUS?? This list represents people who wouldn't ask silly questi RE: opinion vs. vicious rude flames Discourse.... CA LOLLA DATES?? Blah... Re:best ending to a song Re: Commercial Sounds emitting from the Garden m,mf,dotu/ltl Re: Commercial Sounds emitting from the Garden newboy Some shtuff and nonsense.... pj *depressing*? What the hell? "Circle of Power" Lyrics Are there 2 Pretty Noose Videos? RE: The Band is perfect the way it is Re: Soundgarden on SNL Re: Blah... RE: rantings.. Re: Are there 2 Pretty Noose Videos? RE: Some shtuff and nonsense.... At what price SG??? Re:best ending to a song Re: PJ and depression Re: PJ and depression ------------------------------------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: Stupid posts > looking at 5 days of digests: > > 63 list members posted total. > > people who posted the most: > 1) seth [i stopped counting] > 2) thomas ozbirn [13 times] > 3) blind dog [6] > 4)gregg/carolyn (tie) [5] > 5) oponfam [4] > 6) urbano/greg bensimon/jerm [3] > > 90% of the posts dealt with sg's music > 98% had sg content > (the other two were the bulls/sonics [which is tangentially sg] and dthe > others were discussions of other music] > > i really don't know how anyone could say that most of the posts are full > of 'chris is so sexy' type posts. reading through the digests on the web > site i was amazed again at the depth of the subjects we cover. > > just fyi. > > - --caryn I'm really glad you took the time to do this Caryn because when I first read Carolyns post I was like "huh?" There have been hardly any non-SG material or sexy Chris posts in ages. Carolyn, were you at the AOL chat? Now there was some talk that would curl your toes. But here? Not that I've seen. Kathie ------------------------------ From: erin@planet.eon.net Subject: rantings.. A few weeks ago I was wearing my SG shirt and this group of guys walked by and said "Who the hell listens to SOUNDGARDEN anymore?" I say we go kill them all... :) Another thing.. I'm getting pretty damn sick of selling SG stuff to people who know NOTHING about them. Awhile ago, I sold a SG shirt to this guy and he asked me why the tricycle on the front had only 2 wheels. I said it was to show a kickstand. He had NO idea what the significance of kickstand was. I mean, on the back of the shirt, it actually says "Come stand me up". Could it be any more obvious? Why would you waste $25 (canadian) on a shirt if you weren't even a real fan? (obviously SG are no longer trendy judging by those jerks in my 1st paragraph) Oh yeah, I'm also sick of 12 year old girls (sorry to any 12 year olds on the list, but I'm sure you aren't like this) seeing a poster of SG when Chris had long hair, squealing, and then saying how SG lost all talent when Chris cut his hair.. Yeah, Chris' vocal chords are really located in his hair, I bet.. Uh-huh... Well, those are all of my rants for now.. I'll undoubtedly have more after working next (I hate customers.. Great employee, aren't I?) Must go study for finals now (yay.) Erin ------------------------------ From: Paul Mc Guigan <101540.3051@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Too many Americans... I'm just sitting here reading all you guys messages and one thing has struck me (right in the you know whats!!).....almost everybody on this mailing list is American. Incase your wondering I live in glasgow in Scotland and so far have not noticed any fellow Scottish Soundgarden fans. What the fuck is happening to the world, I thought that us fellow Scots would appreciate this sort of good music!! I just thought I'd let you yanks know that you've probably missed the BEST ever Soundgarden concert in the history of the planet. The concert in question was on the 11/4/94 in the Glasgow Barrowlands. It was fucking unreal, halfway during the show the guys just stopped playing, sat their asses on the stage, pulled out a couple of six packs, invited about 5 guys from the crowd up on the stage to join them then just sat and chatted with the guys for about 10 minutes....... It was unreal, that just goes to show you what a down to earth bunch of guys they are. I'm going to be a little controversial here but what the hell, firstly I think that the new album is fucking great but do any of you guys think that the band has made their sound a little more "friendly" on this album just to appeal to a wider audience??? If I deserve a kick up the jacksi for that comment feel free to write me and deliver one. Squigs.. ------------------------------ From: jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu (grote) Subject: skinmastaz... hey all... on the subject of drumming, it's been my opinion for the last few years that the best drummers on the rock scene today are: 1. Matt (no surprise) 2. Tim Alexander (Primus) 3. Neal Peart (Rush) like 'em or not, the guy's got skills... after that it drops off a bit... 4. The guy from Helmet whose name completely escapes me...very underrated with INCREDIBLE chops... 5. Will Calhoun (Living Colour) yeah, they broke up, but still... 6. Malcolm Travis (Sugar) check him out... sorry, but i just can't cast a vote for chamberlin (pumpkins). the guy plays way too many boring rolls during his fills and his cymbal work is a bit much at times...less percussive and more tinny...oh well... later... - -- ######################################################################## # GROTE!!!!! "I don't remember half the time # # If I'm hiding or I'm lost # # jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu But I'm on my way....." -Chris Cornell # ######################################################################## ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: Too many Americans... actually, i'd have to disagree. this is the most internationally diverse mailing list i've ever been on... especially the australians! (hi carolyn sweetie! ). no, seriously, it's great... mexico, australia, england & scotland, spain, portugal... i'm sure there are others on here (a quick search of the sub list by domain could do it [SETH!]), i'm sure they're jsut quiet... - --caryn ------------------------------ From: ansel@morgan.com Subject: Flex Your Head I hope nobody posted this already. It's a great commentary, even if you don't agree with the author. It's true, the latest wave of articles are more informed and thoughtful than we've seen in the past. Enjoy. -Vikki ------------------------------------------------------------ FLEX YOUR HEAD by Ann Powers Village Voice, June 18, 1996 I carry in my mental scrapbook two snapshots of Chris Cornell, one for my eyes and one for my ears. The visual image is a Sub Pop publicity photo, circa 1986; Soundgarden's singer wades waist-deep in a Lake Washington lily pond with his bandmates. His long hair flows; on his bare chest are painted flowers, two childlike blossoms, his nipples the pistils. The sonic memoir is from 'Temple of the Dog's' "Hunger Strike," a single from the one-off album Cornell recorded with members of his band and Pearl Jam in tribute to his late roommate and fellow Seattle rock star, Andy Wood. The chorus of that song is the simple phrase, "I'm going hungry"; Eddie Vedder emotes around it, mumbling, moaning, getting all sincere. It turns boring, then suddenly Cornell erupts. He wails, pushing the words out through his open vocal cords, his wide mouth forming them just enough to be understood. Vedder has no chance against this sudden storm. The grief of the song, its good intentions, drop away as Cornell's fury and strength win out. Cornell has always been Seattle rock's most natural athlete, his band the easiest to hear as basic muscle rock. It's even true of their name -- organic as dirt yet nodding to craft (it's the name of a metal sculpture that makes music when struck). No matter how often they made fun of heavy metal (and themselves) in titles like "Big Dumb Sex" and 'Badmotorfinger,' in the music itself Soundgarden pursued one goal during 10 years of playing: to thoroughly know rock as a physical phenomenon, the sum total of the effort and skill a few people put into the basic tasks of riffing, drumming, howling. Words were not the point. Style was not the point. They knew their value was a naked one: pure, structured noise. It was a simple approach, although the music often took complicated turns -- odd time signatures, Kim Thayil's wackily experimental guitar solos, the chemical fires that could overwhelm when they mixed hardcore and metal compounds. At first they flailed. Cornell knew he had this big, dumb, untrained dog of a voice, and he often just let it run and piss its territory marks. His hyperactivity, combined with the band's unguided desire to "experiment" (i.e., fuck around in eight-minute stretches), made grunge acolytes suspect Soundgarden of sharing more than jokes with Spinal Tap. But drummer Matt Cameron found a suitable running partner in bassist Ben Shepherd in 1990, and the band cemented a workout routine: alternating between sprints and long-distance marathons, each member concentrated on keeping pace, with Cornell and Thayil trading places in the lead and the rhythm section biting their asses. By the time they went major label in 1988, Soundgarden's sound was as Cybex-primed as Madonna's inner thigh. As physically gorgeous as it could be, with its clean, hard line no longer muddied by punk slack or grunge fuzz, Soundgarden's rock stayed hard to love. Alternative music is not virtuosity-friendly: its democratic impulses make skill seem like a dangerous privilege, the rich boy's reward for spending too many hours rehearsing riffs in his bedroom, and the emphasis it places on outsiderness presents vulnerability as realness, both in the personalities of its makers and in the music they make. The automatically assumed vulnerability of women has allowed today's female alt-rock stars to have a lot of fun being aggressive and still seem cool; men have had to find other ways, whether they're Gavin Rossdale modeling a Kurt-like pout, Lou Barlow playing the nerd, Live's Ed Kowalzyck getting religion, or Everclear's Art Alexakis bending under the weight of his life experience. The Seattle bands that messed up the music-biz hegemony in the first place have struggled to maintain a foothold in this new order. After all, they were just a bunch of dudes who would have been skiing had they not decided to destroy rock and roll. They've all tackled the problem in different ways. Mudhoney got trashier; the Screaming Trees explored their Romantic side; Pearl Jam found a savior in the preternaturally confused Vedder. But Soundgarden, having worked so hard to become wicked powerful, didn't want to give that up. Besides, what was privilege to them? One of the only mixed-race bands in their hometown, with a leader who dropped out of school at age 14 to support his mother, they couldn't possibly have seen themselves as naturally favored by the gods. Still, they must have noticed something missing from their well-built formula, because what they asked for from producer Michael Bienhorn (who'd made a mark with Soul Asylum's 'Grave Dancer's Union') on 1994's 'Superunknown' was a little meaning. And they got it, with Cornell pushing his brain instead of his brawn for a change. Cornell has always been a frustrating sex symbol; girls think he's a hunk, but he rarely writes songs to them or even about them, and he makes bad fantasy fodder, since he happily married his manager, Susan Silver, at age 25. (They'd been a couple since the band's inception; risking the scorn of Gene Simmons, he recently told 'Spin', "The only close relationship I've ever had with a woman is with Susan.") What soft element might serve him remained a puzzle until 'Superunknown'. But that album answered the question with a winner -- depression. The well-worn affliction colored the lyrics of "Black Hole Sun" and "Fell on Black Day," both more enduring hits than "Spoonman," which relied on the old bash-'em-insensible formula. These songs gave the kids the dominant music their bodies craved, along with the emotional narrative their minds preferred. They assured Soundgarden the arena-rock status they'd worked for; the new blend also created an artistically rich tension. With the band as clean and taut as a powerhouse gets, foregrounding Cornell's paralyzing blues created an alluring paradox: weakness in strength, strength in weakness. 'Down on the Upside' is the band's self-produced follow-up to 'Superunknown,' and it shows that tension getting them a little lost. On some songs, they run free like in the old days, but now they prefer their chaos in a tight little package -- specifically, a blend of hardcore and speed metal with some bluegrass precision thrown in for a lark. Cuts like "Ty Cobb" and "Never Named" are simply joyful -- with the gloom lifted, those muscles shine in the sunlight. Similarly, "No Attention" takes the band's long-standing Zep fixation into overdrive, with chord-heavy riffs smashing down in a melodic ground offensive. Shepherd wrote the music on "Ty Cobb" and "Never Named," and throughout the album he provides the hooks. Thayil and Cameron favor spaciness, sometimes indulging in a disturbing amount of Pink Floyd-ism. But mostly it's Cornell who's still trying to gauge the band's potential for greatness, having less fun than the others but possibly aiming for a higher purpose. Now that he's at the center of a band that some think defines the moment's mainstream rock, Cornell can't help but think about priorities. It all goes back to serving that basic imperative: how can the sound he and his mates make realize the possibilities inherent in its materials -- the metal and wood of the electric guitar and the pulled skin of the drum, and most of all Cornell's body itself, which houses a voice that continues to surprise him? And what does it mean when the feelings you have don't feed the desire for dominance, which the music encourages, but instead lead you toward an exploration of the ways in which you are powerless? These are the questions Cornell continues to raise, in songs like "Pretty Noose," "Burden in My hand," and "Blow Up the Outside World" -- scheduled to be 'Down on the Upsides' first three singles. Such questions may seem narcissistic. but with more and more alternative bands playing by the numbers, Soundgarden's quest for a very human perfection could be the best bet for rebuilding the musculature of rock. ------------------------------ From: jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu (grote) Subject: sg on film... as a free-lance photographer and photo lab-rat, let me advise the people discussing taking pix at lolla to save your money and just enjoy the show. as the second to last band, sg will likely be playing in less than direct sunlight with altered stage lighting, to boot. disposable camera have no tonal range, a fixed f-stop, a very slow shutter speed and no flash option...what this means is that any significant motion in your frame of view is going to blur unless it's illuminated by direct sunlight, a massive amount of artificial stage light or an equally massive dose of flash from under 25 feet. If you've ever shot a concert before, you know what it takes...if direct flash isn't used, then film either has to be push-processed (overdeveloping the film to make up for underexposed lighting conditions) or the camera needs to be mounted with a slow shutter speed to create a blur effect. You can get cool shots of drummers this way, because their heads often stay fairly still while their arms flail away...a shutter speed of 1/30 or 1/15 of a second really makes this look sweet... ANYWAY...what i'm saying is that i wouldn't hold your breath about getting good sg shots...but what the heck, if you've got money to blow and you think you can find a spot where you can get the band standing fairly still and YOU can hold perfectly still without being moshed on for about two full seconds...more power to ya! i hope you get a shot and prove me wrong...i'm just speaking from experience. oh...and to whoever was talking about photo labs "intentionally blurring" concert photos....sorry, don't think so. if a finished 3" to 5" print is blurred, it's because the negative was blurred and the camera's shutter speed is too slow. a photo lab can't blur negatives...the emulsion on the film is already set when the exposure is made. all a photo lab could do would be to under/overdevelop the negatives, which would affect brightness and shading...not sharp focus. the color-printing process is done automatically at photo mats, and those machines can't blur photos unless they get jammed or stuck...even then you wouldn't have just blurred faces. your whole frame would be color-smeared and you could ask for a new print. if you look at the negatives, though, 99% of the time that's where the blurring is going to be, and that's no fault of the photo lab. there IS a reason disposable cameras (and almost any camera under $100) can't take action/low light/tricky exposure shots. You have no exposure options, you just point and shoot and hope. (i've got two camera set-ups worth a combined $1,100 or so...and that's used equipment prices...good photos don't come cheap, unfortunately) sorry for the rambling...if i could tote my Canon into lollo, you'd better believe i'd be shootin' like a madman... :) later... ######################################################################## # GROTE!!!!! "I don't remember half the time # # If I'm hiding or I'm lost # # jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu But I'm on my way....." -Chris Cornell # ######################################################################## ------------------------------ From: Chris Mackenzie Subject: Wellwater Conspiracy Homepage I have been working on a Wellwater Conspiracy page for quite a while now. I think its finally at a point where I can show it to the rest of the world. Check it out at: http://www.spots.ab.ca/~cmackenz/ I would love to hear some comments... Please e-mail me once you've seen it. Thanx. - - Chris Mackenzie ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Too many Americans... From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) > I'm just sitting here reading all you guys messages and one thing has > struck me (right in the you know whats!!).....almost everybody on > this mailing list is American. Then how come everyone I correspond with are from Australia, Corsica, England (Hey Wonder Wall), Canada (Oh, Sweet Canada - Mmmmm) and Chicago. Wait, Chicago is in the States right (kidding Toni, but with all that Kielbasa up there one tends to forget).. Naaa, I think our list is International....the Americans are just more vocal. And not to break the rules, SG related..... Ahhhh, I would like to see Matt do a drum solo like I've seen Bonzo do, only drum solo I've ever enjoyed.. Sorry Seth, crazy day.... Jamie ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: sg on film... you *CAN* get not bad pictures from disposable cameras -- i've done it! go to my home page and look at the photos from pearl jam in san francisco. those were done with a $12 waterproof disposable camera. some were cropped for interest, but the basic integrity remains. i also agree that commercial printing houses are unlikely to screw up a concert p hoto -- why the hell would they?? i mean, you could just take the negative and get it reprinted elsewhere. it makes no sense. i use disposable cameras because after many, many years as a commercial freelancer (for rolling stone and spin, among others), i am not carting any of my equipment into a mosh pit for it to get fucked up. i don't have to earn a living from it, if i get one picture as a remembrance i'm happy, if the camera gets smashed or confiscated, i'm only out the $12 for the camera and not crying because my real camera is broken. additionally, they are easy as pie to sneak in stuffed down your jeans *and* they won't set off a metal detector, should the venue be using one. again, yes, it's a gamble, and no, they are not going to take life-magazine quality photos. but i wouldn't trade my san francisco pictures for anything. and if i can get the camera in and get one or two stealth pix of thursday's show, i'll be absolutely delighted (and so will the rest of you!!!) i realize the limitations. i'm not trying to take an action photo with them. i'mjust trying to capture a moment, and that these cameras can do. (the pix are at http://www.nwlink.com/~clr/pj.html if you're interested) - --caryn ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: somms@mit.edu font hey there, does anyone else on the list know what the 'list logo' font is and where on the net i might be able to snag it? seth couldn't ftp it remotely, and i'm really wanting to make some quick shirts before thursday. (hell, if they come out good, nothingman may be sending me the $$... if we can track him down, that is...) thanks!!! - --caryn ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: Commercial Sounds emitting from the Garden Hey List! Well, you've read the Addicted to Noise article. Did the boys do the right thing? Would you play a show for a large corporation ONLY for the money? Would their next step be to play Vegas? Imagine CC in a tacky white jumpsuit singing "God Bless America" and performing karate moves. <::shiver::> You have to figure that they 'would'? play the Tibet thing if they were available and believed in the cause. I think ATN only used that angle to create a little controversy and because of the their close tie in to the whole tibet-thing. But still...arent some of you concerned over SG's increased commercialism? Or is it none of our business? They have every right to make as much money as humanly possible...but as one of you said. They dont like to do 'things' like what they just did...yet we keep reading about them doing it. Obviously we dont know the entire story so everything is pure speculation on our part....but still. Alignments with Microsoft, Molson and whatever clothesline they were wearing in the Spin spread. Anyone nervous about the direction of the band? Will we be seeing... Louder than MAXELL XLII-S UltramegaTDK GOODEY'S Jesus Christ Pose Hand of BILLY GRAHAM Beyond the GOODYEAR Wheel Into the GAP (Sealth) etc. Did those rumors about Ben leaving the band last year have just a hint of truth to them? He seems to be the most 'indie' of the group. Did CC's admission of being an alcoholic in the latest Spin bother anyone? I don't understand how Management could leak something personal like this out. As much as I hated Gold Mountain Management for the Cobain fiasco...Personal information about a band member should be irrelevant to the masses. Why would they tell us this? You can ostrich my questions if you like. I'm just curious as to what everyone thinks. I have a feeling that most of you don't care. That these questions are uncomfortable. But they are fair. I only care about the band's music (and after reading this post again; the bands image also)...but did they compromise their sound to become more mainstream? Are they using their 'cred' to Malcolm McLaren (ex-manager of the Sex Pistols) us? Is this the natural progression of a rock n roll band? I don't know. Whoever is steering the ship...take a look at your map. Steve ------------------------------ From: overfloater@thenexus.com Subject: rantings.. nodlots... :( at least soundgarden aren't the trend anymore, cause that's just annoying. i mean, it's trendy to be anti-trend nowadays, and no one but the people who don't CARE about trends realize it. i mean, why worry about what everyone else is doing? it's so dumb.. and as for the jocks who ask "who the hell listens to soundgarden anymore.." DUH! if someones wearing a soundgarden shirt, they must listen to soundgarden, no? everything's replaced by hardcore nowadays, but im just really fed up with the whole thing and i stay in my room and listen to soundgarden and kyuss and truly and things:) ------------------------------ From: Outshined@aol.com Subject: Fresh Deadly Tendrils GeekGirl@aol.com writes : >> I just can't suppport a woman who had her husband killed, >> and besides I think of Kurt were still alive today I would still >> fell the same way about her!!IMHO she's a..____________( >> fill in the blank) I'm right there with ya on this one... all one really has to do is look at her band name to learn enough about her... as far as Kurt... well, I guess that if I was married to 'delicious' Courtney Love, I'd probably go out and smoke the ol' Smith and Wesson, too... Outshined btw, anyone seen caryn's "temple" website? pretty funny... :) ------------------------------ From: cynsir@village.ios.com Subject: Re: clear vinyl/TOTD ONLY 1500 as an IMPORT of DOTU, or so I hear!! I haven't seen any. Anybody know how much $? BTW, I just picked up TOTD, and IMHO, Chris's lyrics and voice are brilliant (very moody, almost morose-I can hear his tears sometimes) and Matt C. is on it too (one of the most gifted drummers, in any genre & era, period), but SG is a better demonstration of his talent. And as much as I dig PJ, I dig Ben's powerful, intricate bass lines and Kim's perfectly compliment at guitar (Tony Iommi-ish with better musicianship and smarter lyrics) many times more. GOD I LOVE SOUNDGARDEN!!! Love, Kisses, and Sodomy, I mean, SOUNDGARDEN! (Chris. I could ruin you for all other women!) CYN (say "Sin") ------------------------------ From: cynsir@village.ios.com Subject: ATTN. COLLECTORS Have you seen this page? http://imusic.com/soundgarden/soundcellar/index.html Well I just saw the Promo CD of that set of interviews and almost bought it. Is it worth anything? Worth buying anyway? Suggestions welcomed. Peace, Cyn ------------------------------ From: stephen napoles Subject: goobledygook Commercial success is definintely a double edged sword. On one side, what rock band is there that formed not to become successful and popular? It is human nature to want to be recognised for what you are doing and art tends to be one of the extreme forms of this. So when a band becomes popular, it discovers the positve and negative sides of this, and as a band grows its fans must learn to accept the changes that come with increased popularity. Greater numbers of fans mean more opinions, backgrounds, ideals and so on. Therefore, more of a chance that some of those will conflict with your own. As for SG, I'm not worried much about their commercial success. I feel that the band is made up of four strong seperate personalities who are not going to break under the weight of corporate pressure. So what if they played a show for Molson. Hey a couple hundred people got really lucky and got to see a great band in an intimate setting. The members of the band are certainly capable of deciding for themselves what they wish to market and vice versa. The way I look at it, if they're pushing it, they want to push it. That certainly doesn't have to dictate whether I want any part of what they're selling. The one thing I do know, is that I'll take their musical side any day and it doesn't matter to me (or anyone else on this list) who is or who isn't listening to them. I don't give a flaming fuck if a horde of jock schlocks are listening to SG one way or another. If they like it, cool, I'm glad. If not, oh well, don't know what they're missing. enough of that, I've noticed a lot of great posts lately, the activity on the list has really picked up over the past few days as well as the diversity. I've been really looking forward to checking out the list lately. Stephen ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: Commercial Sounds emitting from the Garden At 08:41 PM 6/18/96 -0400, Steven Russell Jr. wrote: >Hey List! > >Well, you've read the Addicted to Noise article. Did the boys do the right >thing? Would you play a show for a large corporation ONLY for the money? >Would their next step be to play Vegas? Imagine CC in a tacky white >jumpsuit singing "God Bless America" and performing karate moves. <::shiver::> first of all, great post, excellent questions. i don't know... i wouldn't have cared if they played the concert, except that the thought of 'pretty noose' being used in beer commercials all over canada makes me ill. and i don't know why they would do it, except for the money, and i just read in a zillion interviews how they don't want/need any more money. the whole thing is brilliantly scripted thus far... >You have to figure that they 'would'? play the Tibet thing if they were >available and believed in the cause. I think ATN only used that angle to >create a little controversy and because of the their close tie in to the >whole tibet-thing. i don't think that non-participation in the free tibet show equals sg endorsing china's policy in that country. they may not have been asked. they may not have wanted to play in that lineup. there are about a zillion bands who didn't play that show... did they sell out by not doing so? i don't think so. >Did CC's admission of being an alcoholic in the latest Spin bother anyone? >I don't understand how Management could leak something personal like this >out. As much as I hated Gold Mountain Management for the Cobain >fiasco...Personal information about a band member should be irrelevant to >the masses. Why would they tell us this? i didn't take it as a tabloid confession myself. i mean, he also admitted to doing 160mph in the details article. and yes, personal info is irrelevant, but it SELLS. >..but >did they compromise their sound to become more mainstream? Are they using >their 'cred' to Malcolm McLaren (ex-manager of the Sex Pistols) us? Is this >the natural progression of a rock n roll band? I don't know. imo that's a bit dramatic... and i hardly think this album is 'commercial' by any means. and they have a LONG way to go before they come close to malcolm mc laren. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: stephen napoles Subject: Dotu or something On this subject of DOTU being like other albums, yeah, I've posted something on this before but I'd like to say that I do see similarities between this and LTL, especially in the start of Tighter and Tighter and Boot Camp as well as PN. Also, I've never known what to say about BMF, it's so different from SG's other albums. It's the most metally album they've done in my opinion, Chris really tears through the whole album and the mellow side of the album is almost non-existant with the exception of Room a thousand...., and Somewhere. It's a great album and when I was recently asked what my fav 5 albums of all time were for a survey, I listed BMF as well as Superunknown. BMF is also the album that really got me into SG, I wish that I had taken Ultra or Louder more seriously when I first heard them, just so I could have been knocked out of my socks when I first heard BMF. Not that I wasn't totally impressed when I first heard JCP. Wish I coulda been at the Scotland show. One question, didn't the crowd go nuts when they stopped playing? I've seen lynchings occur for less. Stephen ------------------------------ From: erin@planet.eon.net Subject: Commercial Sounds emitting from the Garden >Would you play a show for a large corporation ONLY for the money? I highly doubt that they would have done it just for the money. In my local paper there was a small article about it and Chris said that it was like returning to their roots by playing to a really small crowd. Maybe they did it because they thought it was fun. >Would their next step be to play Vegas? Only crappy bands have to go that far (unless they WANT to). >But still...arent some of you concerned over SG's increased commercialism? It's not necessarily the band that is making themselves more commercial. I mean, once the media gets ahold of a band, they dig right in and refuse to let go. Eddie Vedder refuses (almost always) to give interviews to the press yet PJ is always listed as one of the most infuential bands on the planet in magazines. It's not as if SG are out there begging people to listen to them. If they were interested in being everybody's favourite, do you think they would give such smart-ass answers to questions? Obviously they're not interested in what people think of them personally, just professionally. (I don't mean that they're totally oblvious to their fans, though). I think that success is a nice bonus, but they're not about to sell out just to make a lot of money. In the same article I read about Chris saying it was a return to their roots, it also said that he thanked the wrong beer company. Is that a move designed to attract corporate endorcements? I don't think so. >I only care about the band's music I don't think their music has anything to do with what they wear or what beer they drink. Their music stands alone. What they do outside of the studio has no bearing on it. I mean, it would be really nice for only certain people to know and like SG (those who are "worthy" or whatever) but it is impossible. Fortunately, those who hear about them off of a beer commercial will hardly be fans for the long run. >did they compromise their sound to become more mainstream? Mainstream today is Hootie and the Blowfish. Once SG starts to sound like Hootie, you can be worried. I know I will be. Don't consider this message flaming or anything. It isn't. It's just my thoughts. Erin. ------------------------------ From: j_crocke@unity.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: Commercial Sounds emitting from the Garden i also began to think about this when i read the ATN thingy... It does bother me a bit.... IMHO, "superunknown" was a commercial album compared to the other albums. I think it is more in a commercial direction than "down on the upside".... but lets take a look at recent career moves: - - Chris's haircut... i know this has been talked about and into the dirt, but you just have to wonder.... - - Playing large auditoriums and coliseums (did they sell out the venues?.. when i saw them, it was a less than enthusuastic crowd) - - releasing "radio friendly" songs.. i know it has to be done, but they seem to overdue it lately, especially since the next will be "burden in my hand" - - can anyone say "lallapalooza"? - - that beer concert in vancouver. Oh yeah, they got paid about $250,000. - - is the Showbox concert in Seattle a publicity stunt? - - those rumors about ben... well, i'm kinda like ben in how he thinks about the media and their involvement of music. I say they were true. - - all the on-line interviews. Although they were fun, was it another publicity stunt? - - oh yeah, Hiro quit about 7 years ago. I've heard to go back to school, family reasons... but only Hiro knows. oh yeah, he didn't like "big dumb sex" either... - - Saturday night live.. say what you want, i thought it was an average performance as far as enthusiasm, and Chris voice was straining. (ok matt, you may be pissed, but read on). This argument is starting to develop like the one metallica fans have. I agree to a point. There comes a point where people have to make money, but to do it while keeping your integrity is another trick no one has figured out yet. So... i guess the only thing we can hope for is for some OLD SONGS TO BE PLAYED AT LOLLA (get that Matt?)... all for now. jeremy ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: tiny baby cries... On Tue, 18 Jun 1996 HIGHTOWERN@Citadel.edu wrote: > By the way, here is a question for you fans out there that I have had with a > couple of people. Do you think that Badmotorfinger was the most improved album > SG has done? To me, there is no bigger difference in style than the one that I'd have to go for the period between ultramega ok and louder than love. I know a lot of people disagree with me, but ultramega sounds kinda sloppy in places. everything was all over the place; matt's drums didn't sound very good, chris' voice jumped around and the production was a tad raw for my liking (am I the only one who can't get anything out of the ultramega lyrics?). it's amazing to me the difference in sound they achieved on ltl. their energy - which certainly wasn't lacking on ultramega - was far more focused, and can make for a better listen (whether the songs are better is debatable). overall, there is a huge difference between songs like nazi driver and head injury, when compared to hands all over and loud love. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: Commercial Sounds emitting from the Garden I've got 2 questions. If you were an alcoholic, wouldn't you do a gig for a beer company? Who reads that shit on ATN anyway? Geoff ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: heart it takes could be mine... On Tue, 18 Jun 1996 cynsir@village.ios.com wrote: > You have to figure that they 'would'? play the Tibet thing if they were > available and believed in the cause. I think ATN only used that angle to I'm not sure that atn could really be taken seriously if they were to try and play soundgarden as money-grubbing bastards, in it for the red carpets and cigars. what of the seattle show where they are donating the proceeds to three different organisations? or their inclusion on benefit cds such as born to choose, no alternative and alternative nrg (that sounds kind of funny, in retrospect)? > But still...arent some of you concerned over SG's increased commercialism? > Or is it none of our business? They have every right to make as much money as a couple of other listers before me have argued, I don't think soundgarden are in it for the money or the fame. if they have become more commercial (only a little) its because the world around them has changed, and not because the band has compromised. you get people saying chris wrote black hole sun to get more airplay, which is a bunch of baloney. the band writes and performs the music they want to, and their image (at least to me) is not in the least contrived. concern over commercialism? as long as they continue to play soundgarden music, then they can do as many surprise beer shows as they want. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: UnknMan@aol.com Subject: Re: clear vinyl Steven, >Are you going to be able to get the clear vinyl? Or do you have too many >customers for the amount you can get? This is a problem as of right now. I can only get 4 DOtU clear vinyl lps with a total of 7 requests. I'm waiting on releasing info until I get all of the lps confirmed as shipped but I should be able to get 3 more without much problem. Otherwise as I get them I'll notify the people that requested a copy in order of when I received the message. The price is will probably be right at $19. $17.68 is my cost on the album & shipping will be $1.50 or so. I haven't had time to check on the exact price of shipping & cost of packaging. So if anyone listed below DOES NOT want a record contact me asap. Also if anyone else wants one I should be able to get some more soon so SPEAK UP! Thank you all. srussell@epix.net - Steven DKAASC@tevm2.nsc.com - Kazam pubah@grove.ufl.edu - Jason jgg@pilot.msu.edu - Gonzo tdo@datasync.com - kevin beavis@io.com - Eric UnknMan@aol.com - ray (me) surviving, ray ------------------------------ From: Mayor McCheese Subject: Re: Commercial Sounds emitting from the Garden On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Steven Russell Jr. wrote: > Hey List! > > Well, you've read the Addicted to Noise article. Did the boys do the right > thing? Would you play a show for a large corporation ONLY for the money? First of all, soundgarden is a band. Bands need to make money. BUT, Soundgarden isn't really hurting for money either. They are the only one's that know why they did it. Somehow, "free beer" could entice Kim (or Chris now :^| (happy or sad?)). I thought that "Never the Machine Forever" was about corporations. Maybe it's about banks . . . And what the hell difference does it make how much money you have when the coffers are full and you only give yourself 1,000 a month to live on. Shit, I thought they did that to keep it real, now it makes em look like scrooges. > You have to figure that they 'would'? play the Tibet thing if they were > available and believed in the cause. I think ATN only used that angle to > create a little controversy and because of the their close tie in to the > whole tibet-thing. Nothing like good ole controversy stirrin' . . . but there wouldn't be a controversy if they didn't have a point. > But still...arent some of you concerned over SG's increased commercialism? Yep, beer . . . microsoft . . . getting too close to a "Rolling Stone" > Or is it none of our business? Yep, but still concerned. They don't answer to me, but I am concerned about the whole deal. As much as they spout about the media and shit being bad, they go and do shit like this Molson thing and admit to being alcoholics and expect not to be bothered by the media? No wonder Chris is depressed . . . such a balancing act. I'm starting to believe that Chris wants to be famous (on his own terms). Everyone knows America's favorite artists are the reluctant. > They have every right to make as much money > as humanly possible...but as one of you said. They dont like to do 'things' > like what they just did...yet we keep reading about them doing it. So, in other words, they say they don't do this stuff, but they do. What a good Online question to ask: "Why are you so anti-commercial and media, but still find time to play the media darling". I wonder what the answer would be. Shroom, they already don't like you, YOU ask it . . . (maybe they will call the cops) > Did those rumors about Ben leaving the band last year have just a hint of > truth to them? He seems to be the most 'indie' of the group. Rumors don't just start from thin air (not including "Chris the Scatman rumors" someone started here as a joke). I think Ben is disturbed by the success, and maybe even some of these strange bedfellows the band has taken in lately. > Did CC's admission of being an alcoholic in the latest Spin bother anyone? > I don't understand how Management could leak something personal like this > out. As much as I hated Gold Mountain Management for the Cobain > fiasco...Personal information about a band member should be irrelevant to > the masses. Why would they tell us this? I haven't seen the article, I wonder if sarcasim was the basis for this statement (I hope). Soundgarden jokes alot . . . but this isn't funny, it's disturbing. Alcoholic implies he's lost control. Shit, he admitted to being an addict to Joe Public. I just hope he doesn't complain if the media shit's on him for this one. God, I hope he's kidding. > Whoever is steering the ship...take a look at your map. > No shit. Mayor McCheese XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Soundgarden's next e.p.: "Digging our Own Grave" Featuring: Cold Pitcher (sung to "Cold Bitch") as featured in Molson ads. Food (sung to "Fopp") as featured in McDonalds TV ads Gum (sung to "Gun") Wriggley's Double Mint Wonder ------------------------------ From: Chris Mansfield Subject: Re: Soundgarden on SNL >I am searching for a VHS copy of Soundgarden's performance on SNL last >month. Any information that you can send my way regarding this would >be greatly appreciated! For the benefit of those who missed it (and for those who can't get enough of chris' long fingers :P ) NBC is re-running the Soundgarden SNL this Saturday night (June 22), so here's a second chance to catch it on vidtape. :) :) Chris ------------------------------ From: GeekGirl@aol.com Subject: it could happen.... >I got a question for ya. Is anyone here as pissed as me that there is no way someone under 21 can't go to this show, even if they did get tix.? Was this only ment for their older fans? I guess they just didn't want to be bombarded with screaming teenage girls, but still?> ~~~~~~NEWS FLASH~~~~~~ Shroom is over 21.. and I would still consider her to be a screaming female! maybe they had the show be 21 and over so that they could share all that FREE beer that they are getting form molson... hey it could happen!! laughs and laughs!! Dena :)~ ------------------------------ From: UnknMan@aol.com Subject: Re: tiny baby cries... LONG POST! Suzie said: >The newest date is going to be in a TINY town called Ferris (population 2200). An annoying sidenote: The town's high school mascot is the Wheel. Yes folks, the Ferris Wheels /c: I'm pretty sure this is true... me & my father always joked about this as we drove through it anyway... blind dog said: > I'd have to go for the period between ultramega ok and louder than >love. I know a lot of people disagree with me, but ultramega sounds kinda >sloppy in places. everything was all over the place; matt's drums didn't >sound very good, chris' voice jumped around and the production was a tad >raw for my liking (am I the only one who can't get anything out of the >ultramega lyrics?). it's amazing to me the difference in sound they >achieved on ltl. their energy - which certainly wasn't lacking on >ultramega - was far more focused, and can make for a better listen >(whether the songs are better is debatable). overall, there is a huge >difference between songs like nazi driver and head injury, when compared >to hands all over and loud love. Hm... my view is this: Louder Than Love is WORSE than Ultramega OK. I got Ultra just a bit before LtL was released & I was majorly excited to hear LtL. Needless to say I was grossly disappointed. They lost the energy & style from the previous eps / lps. Yes, production was there but I'd rather listen to demos recorded in a linoleum factory over well-produced 'bad' songs. I almost think that A&M said: "OK, boys y'all did a great job on the last record. Congrads on the Grammy nomination. Now, see Guns & Roses & all these cock-rockers? See the money they make? You too can do it! Just right a shitty record that the metalheads will rock out to & _viola_! ULTRAMEGA CASH!" They did this (despite a few good songs) & also got picked up by cock-rockers all across the globe. In my opinion: bad songs but executed very well. All those hair kiddies loved "Big Dumb Sex." (I think this is one of the band's best riffs.) They really indentified with it. (Yes, it WAS a joke but these morons couldn't tell the difference.) I sorta got pissed off during that period of my life with the band. I refused to see them live or buy any of their singles & what have you. But... something in their head said, "Fuck the record company" & they broke out of the mold that A&M tried to force them into. They did an honest to general-religious-figure amazing rock record in Badmotorfinger in early 1991 with some little lp called Temple Of The Dog using Cornell & Cameron stuck in just a few months before that. This was the greatest improvement I've ever seen a band do. Notice how many songs Cornell wrote during this 6 month (approximately) period & how diverse they were. I'm guessing that the majority of Bmf & TOtD & the Singles-era stuff was penned during this time. And then they recorded a slew of fun covers they played a bit of homage to some bands that they greatly respected (well, I dunno if they respect Fancy) (c: It's spottily documented that A&M WAS in fact trying to promote Soundgarden as a metal band during 1990. Look back at it now & it is quite apparent. It still was noticeable during some of Bmf but when 1994 rolled around all changed. Then though Superunknown was a more commerical record it seemed as the only natural progression. Bmf was song after song of heavy rockers (exclude Mind Riot here), at times dirgy & dragging (but in a good sense of course) but honestly it seemed a bit 1-dimesional. It still had an 'arena rock' feel to it. Yes, they did start playing even bigger venues so the big rock seemed ok but it still didn't seem to feel much like a band that did Ultramega OK. Superunknown was broad... really broad. It had ballads: FoBD, Like Suicide - Punk: Kickstand - experimention: Head Down, Half, BHS - 'classic' feeling Soundgarden that seemed to actually take good points from LtL & Ultramega: TDITtL, Limo Wreck, & most of the reminder of the album. We all were blessed with the lastest record. It has everything that I had hoped Soundgarden could be since I got Ultramega OK plus some stellar surprises . It scares little kids as Beyond The Wheel, Gun & S&B did (Kim's NtMF). It makes even old people want to jostle about with teen-pride (most of the record). It soothes as they as a band never have (Tighter & Tighter, Applebite, Boot Camp.) They make you cry. (well, me at least... on Burden, Zero Chance & BUtOW.) All in all... Soundgarden booted all sense of a PRODUCER & did THEIR record. No record company begging them to do Black Hole Sun the album; no producer making their instrument techs seem like engineering genuises; no pressure. They finally got to do a high quality Soundgarden record as SOUNDGARDEN would do it. (Has anyone heard what Terry Date's been doing lately? I wonder... ) If the band is ever termed 'commerical' now it's the fault of four people: Shepherd, Thayil, Cornell & Cameron. THEY did the record. Moreover they did a record just how they wanted. That's what I'm happy about. They didn't plan to make a pop record even if a song or two IS considered pop. I don't think it's pop... I don't think it's not pop. It's the music that a group of diverse musicians composed because they wanted to. If people like it & if people buy it, yet it's all self-contained who's to say it's geared towards commericalism? Um... I just read everything I just wrote & I've noticed that I'm quite long-winded (c: I also noticed that this looks sorta like a magazine article (c: So it's long but I'm glad I said it. It's not a flame at anyone, it's just my general overview of the band since they've started producing full-length records. It's a progression... & it's way Soundgarden is my favorite band. I'm picky & I don't like everything (especially LtL) but generally no band has made as many great songs / recordings in the span termed as 'modern rock' in my opinion. No band makes me as happy they do. This is way I'm here... Oh, I've also decided to listen to LtL more so maybe it will grow on me & I'll be able to appreciate the song writing more... maybe half as much as I appreciate the musicianship. But what shall I say about all of this? I'll say: If you love LtL, more power to you. If you think I'm a babbling idiot, more power (& you're probably right as well). Like what you like. Don't make anything change your judgement. If it's uncool, be uncool. If it's trendy, be trendy. You can always be trendy yet be different. But you can be like everyone else & still remain special. Whoa... I'm turning into the pre-school purple love-everything phallic-symbol known as Barney. If you don't know Barney.... thank your religious figure. I think they did the Molson beer thing for the money & free beer. Has anyone heard about this? Seen any of those commericals (a la the Metallica / Hole gig last year) incessantly on television? I haven't... I'm done bothering everyone now! exhausted, ray next week: my thesis on the neurotransmitters in the parasympathetic nervous system & the various drugs that are used to inhibit / force their uses! STAY TUNED! ------------------------------ From: Chris Farley Subject: RE: Are you SERIOUS?? This list represents people who wouldn't ask silly questions?? BLAH Thank you. I'm glad finally one person gets it! Chris - ---------- From: Carolyn Hanel[SMTP:carolynh@dove.net.au] Sent: Sunday, June 16, 1996 11:55 AM To: 'somms@mit.edu' Subject: Are you SERIOUS?? This list represents people who wouldn't = ask silly questions?? BLAH=20 Okay, I've had enough. I'm hungover as hell, feel like shit, have been = trying to get through old Somms postings, and I can finally take it no = more. Carolyn the lately absent Music Freak is gonna speak out, so = flame me if you dare............. Bonnie wrote: >>Since Matt's been checking out the list, wouldn't it be great if they would do a chat, or picked a time to be on the list with us? That way, they wouldn't have to deal with silly questions. They could converse with fans who know more about them and their music than the average brain dead on the on-line mediums, etc. (NOT including those of you who participated or tried to.) Plus, they would be in total control of what they said and doing the typing themselves. Sigh, I guess it could be a dream, just like SG playing a concert just for us list members. Never give up hope! If you're reading Matt...what do you think? We are SERIOUS fans. Bonnie, you may be a serious fan. In fact, most of us might be. But to = suggest that if Soundgarden were to talk with the list they would not = have to deal with silly questions.....ARE YOU SERIOUS?? Have a look = back over the postings that have been made in the last two months. 70% = of them are filled with "Chris is so sexy" "I want to see Chris = tongue-kiss another guy".......UTTER CRAP!! Typical teeny-bopper = groupie worship-the-musicians-not-appreciate-the-music type of talk. = EXACTLY the kind of talk the guys from Soundgarden (so they've said in = interviews) don't give a fig about! Chris Farley, more power to you for not being afraid to say you don't = like reading that kind of bullshit either. [sigh] Starting to feel that there aren't many left on this list who appreciate = the music for the music itself............ Carolyn the Mean Fucker Steal the warm wind, tired friend; times are gone for honest men - = Soundgarden ------------------------------ From: Chris Farley Subject: RE: opinion vs. vicious rude flames Well, I must respond. I think I was quite civilized and don't ever = remember using the 3rd grade gutter language like you did. I also never = even slightly suggested anything to do with you being a woman. I also = did not say that you need therapy, I asked if you had had therapy. The = next time you red a post perhaps you should READ the post. Not an opinion, FACT! Chris - ---------- From: caryn rose[SMTP:clr@nwlink.com] Sent: Monday, June 17, 1996 11:42 AM To: Carolyn Hanel Cc: 'somms@mit.edu' Subject: opinion vs. vicious rude flames On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Carolyn Hanel wrote: i jumped down his throat when he was rude and obnoxious. there is a=20 difference between your opinion (i don't like x band because...) and=20 "calm down you stupid woman you need therapy". ------------------------------ From: Warren Dyson Subject: Discourse.... Listen UP! This post is directed at all you people out there who keep filling my (and everyone elses) mail box with arguments. PLEASE STOP, cuz you're doing my head in. I joined this list because I love the music of four musicians who are collectively known as SOUNDGARDEN.... I did not join the list to hear fellow fans mailing bad vibes to each other every f***ing day. You can't blame anyone in particular for starting these flame wars, and in the future can I suggest that if you're REALLY that deeply offended by some ones post, couldn't you just trash the message and forget about it ? That's all I have to say, so now you can KISS & MAKE UP :) Okay, here come the actual Soundgarden content in the form of a new thread :- Q. If you could have chosen the play list for DOTU, would you change it ? And if so, what would it be ? Well, here's my choice.... rhinosaur burden in my hand never named applebite tighter & tighter dusty ty cobb an unkind zero chance no attention pretty noose blow up the outside world never the machine forever overfloater switch opens boot camp That's all, thanks for listening to me :) +============================================================================+ | | | WaRreN DySOn - _____ .__ .__ | | / \ ____ ____________|__|____ | |_ | | Guitar / \ / \_/ __ \/ ___/ ___/| |\__ \| \ | | / Y \ ____\___ \___ \| |/ __ | T \ | | \____|__ /\__ /____ /___ /|__|___ |__| / | | \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ | | | | & Computer Programmer - warren@anchor.co.uk | | | | "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to | | anyone, but they've always worked for me." | | -- Hunter S. Thompson | | | +============================================================================+ ------------------------------ From: Stella Rogers Subject: CA LOLLA DATES?? I finally get into some money and I might as well buy some tickets to lolla. So does anyone know if there are any confirmed dates in CALIFORNIA? I know there was suppose to be on in Bakersfield is that on still on? And I heard there was one in San Fran. That would be awesome cuz i only live like 3 hrs from sf. Anyways..if anyone could tell me that would be reeaally spiffy. Laters. stellar ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Blah... Feel my pain, kiddies. No sleep yet again last night... and now I've got a damned fever. Double blah. Insomnia and a cold... that's all I need. Yes, I'm whining. Deal with it. >Shroom is over 21.. and I would still consider her to >be a screaming female! As the officially obsessed Shroom (age 22... which makes me 9 years, 7 months, and 13 days younger than Chris)... yes, I can say that I would definitely be screaming, or at least trying to. But with the way my throat feels, I'd either be croaking... or else my voice would sound like our Mattster's when he performed "Puberty Love" for Attack of the Killer Tomatoes (which is a TERRIBLE TERRIBLE movie that no one should ever be forced to watch). Speaking of... for anyone who's seen it, was that a picture of Matt on the cover of the album "Donny Desmond's Puberty Love?" It was in the scene where the main guy was picking up a stack of albums that had fallen on the floor. It was of some blonde kid. Anyone... anyone...? >Hm... my view is this: Louder Than Love is WORSE >than Ultramega OK. I've got to agree with you, Ray. LTL is a good album... but Ultramega has that raw and primal feel to it which I prefer. Ultramega always makes me want to run outside and scream at the top of my lungs (along with Chris). It's definitely a "fuck you, world... I'm not going to do anything I don't wanna" album. LTL, on the other hand, makes me wonder what the hell they were trying to do with it. Don't get me wrong... I DO like LTL (c'mon... it's SOUNDGARDEN)... but I always get this uneasy feeling when I listen to it that the band didn't quite accomplish what they were shooting for. It's like they were trying to make an album (under pressure) FOR the record company. Some songs just don't jibe with me... such as "Power Trip." And yes, "Hands All Over" has always seemed like a kiss-ass song to me. It's like they were trying to say "we're cool, we're environmentally conscious, and we'll write a rock song to prove it!!" Blah... of course, I'm sick and exhausted... so if I'm rambling... fuck it. Honestly though... I don't see how someone could prefer LTL over Ultramega. Ultramega was SOUNDGARDEN. LTL was like SG trying to be ROCK STARS. Heheheh... I'm going to get flamed for this, yes? Oh well. Oh yah, have I mentioned yet today that I worship Chris' sexy body? The image stuck in my head at this moment is from the video for "Loud Love." Anyone else notice that whoever made that video managed to get at least THREE good crotch shots of Chris? Heheheh... gotta love that duct tape. Shroom girl Obsessed with Chris Cornell and his sexy body... "Hey Shroom... let's get naked." ~ Chris Cornell (Words not necessarily said in that order...) <~~~ my disclaimer "I want to eat you all!!" ~ Pinky (& the Brain) ------------------------------ From: Paul Mc Guigan <101540.3051@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re:best ending to a song I think I'm inclined to agree that Ty Cobb has the best song ending. I think its the scream at the end that does it for me. Previously though my fav ending had to be to Outshined with the heavy guitar doubled with the heavy drums.....great ending.... I'm in an agreeing mood today so I also have to go with the flow with the opinion that BMF is the most improved Soundgarden album. LTL is a great album but I think had some flawed tunes on it, BMF though is a great rock album and I'm still torn between DOTU and BMF to which is my favourite. By the way, what is the general conscensus about the best Soundgarden song?? Personally I would have to go with Tighter and Tighter. That song just blows me away, its like a song taken straight from BMF with the guitar sound and screaming solo in it.....fucking great song... What does everybody think????? Squigs.. ------------------------------ From: ar303921@student.uq.edu.au (DEFsonic) Subject: Re: Commercial Sounds emitting from the Garden I think I'll reply to this one, cause I happen to agree with it somewhat. >Well, you've read the Addicted to Noise article. Did the boys do the right >thing? Would you play a show for a large corporation ONLY for the money? I don't mind them playing this sort of gig, it didn't charge the fans and I think that is a major point. If the fans have to start forking out for $100 tickets and the like, then it gets to a real problem. As for doing promo work for the beer company...hell the probably actually do drink the beer :) >But still...arent some of you concerned over SG's increased commercialism? >Or is it none of our business? They have every right to make as much money >as humanly possible...but as one of you said. They dont like to do 'things' >like what they just did...yet we keep reading about them doing it. >Obviously we dont know the entire story so everything is pure speculation on >our part....but still. Alignments with Microsoft, Molson and whatever >clothesline they were wearing in the Spin spread. Anyone nervous about the >direction of the band? As for this I have to agree. Could it be we just aren't use to seeing SG in the spotlight so much? We use to have to search for articles, they where never on TV, never on the radio etc. But now they seem to be everywhere. What can we say? Is it over acting publicity? Do they need the publicity? I think they don't, it doesn't bring anything new to the music, which is basically what it is about, not what clothes they wear in Spin. I personally don't care. Would they have done this before superunknown? It's hard to say cause they probably weren't asked to do it before they became widely known. Hell I'll still love the music and probably always will, but it doesn't mean I have to like what the band does for publicity or who they align themselves with. >You can ostrich my questions if you like. I'm just curious as to what >everyone thinks. I have a feeling that most of you don't care. That these >questions are uncomfortable. But they are fair. I only care about the >band's music (and after reading this post again; the bands image also)...but >did they compromise their sound to become more mainstream? Are they using >their 'cred' to Malcolm McLaren (ex-manager of the Sex Pistols) us? Is this >the natural progression of a rock n roll band? I don't know. A natural progression...is there a progression a band will follow? You can't tell. To tell the truth the band are doing more 'commercal' things, getting in mags on TV all that type of thing. Yes, they didn't do it before, maybe that's why I have trouble adjusting, I am use to SG hiding out, not seeing them etc etc. As for compromising their sound...I don't think so, if only I hear chris wail and scream again on the next album :) >Whoever is steering the ship...take a look at your map. :) I like that one. seeya Lee _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ SONIC E-mail ar303921@student.uq.edu.au Turn it UP and Play it LOUD!! Let the blood rush to your head!! CD I'm listening to this week: Been too busy, haven't checked into the CD listening department. 2 weeks and the cd of the week will be back :) ------------------------------ From: Enrique Olavarria Subject: m,mf,dotu/ltl im a big fan of matt's drumming too. there are two other drummers that i admire (not as much as i admire matt cameron though). they are the rush drummer (cant remember his name) and jerry gaskill, from king's x ("faith hope love by king's" album, track 9: "talk to you") to jsharp: i dont know why you didnt like mind funk, i think theyre a great band, ive been a fan since their 1991 debut album. but anyway, i dont think jason everman has much to do with how good they are (or were? havent heard anything from them in a while), they were making great music long before everman joined them. i must agree with stella. i find very few similarities between DOTU and LTL. theres nothing in LTL like blow up the outside world, burden in my hand, an unkind, etc. and theres nothing in DOTU like ugly truth, power trip, hands all over, gun, i awake, etc. enrique. >Dotu like Louder than love? I don't see alot of similarities. Well besides >Ty Cobb and Big Dumb Sex using the word Fuck repeatedly. Yeah and I guess PN >sounds a little bit like something off LTL. But the other songs like Burden, >Overfloater, and T&T...nothing like ltl. ------------------------------ From: John Doe Subject: Re: Commercial Sounds emitting from the Garden Would you work at a fast food chain ONLY for the money? Of course! It is their job, and they need to make money. But, say, if the circumstances were that they really did not want to do the show, really didn't NEED the money, then I don't think it would have been a good decision. Thanks. B Rogers (A full-pledged and proud member of the alternative bandwagon) > On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Steven Russell Jr. wrote: > > > Hey List! > > > > Well, you've read the Addicted to Noise article. Did the boys do the right > > thing? Would you play a show for a large corporation ONLY for the money? > > First of all, soundgarden is a band. Bands need to make money. > BUT, Soundgarden isn't really hurting for money either. They are the > only one's that know why they did it. Somehow, "free beer" could entice > Kim (or Chris now :^| (happy or sad?)). I thought that "Never the > Machine Forever" was about corporations. Maybe it's about banks . . . > And what the hell difference does it make how much money you have when > the coffers are full and you only give yourself 1,000 a month to live > on. Shit, I thought they did that to keep it real, now it makes em look > like scrooges. > > > > You have to figure that they 'would'? play the Tibet thing if they were > > available and believed in the cause. I think ATN only used that angle to > > create a little controversy and because of the their close tie in to the > > whole tibet-thing. > > Nothing like good ole controversy stirrin' . . . but there > wouldn't be a controversy if they didn't have a point. > > > But still...arent some of you concerned over SG's increased commercialism? > > Yep, beer . . . microsoft . . . getting too close to a "Rolling Stone" > > > Or is it none of our business? > > Yep, but still concerned. They don't answer to me, but I am > concerned about the whole deal. As much as they spout about the media > and shit being bad, they go and do shit like this Molson thing and admit > to being alcoholics and expect not to be bothered by the media? No > wonder Chris is depressed . . . such a balancing act. I'm starting to > believe that Chris wants to be famous (on his own terms). Everyone > knows America's favorite artists are the reluctant. > > > They have every right to make as much money > > as humanly possible...but as one of you said. They dont like to do 'things' > > like what they just did...yet we keep reading about them doing it. > > So, in other words, they say they don't do this stuff, but they > do. What a good Online question to ask: "Why are you so > anti-commercial and media, but still find time to play the media > darling". I wonder what the answer would be. Shroom, they already don't > like you, YOU ask it . . . (maybe they will call the cops) > > > Did those rumors about Ben leaving the band last year have just a hint of > > truth to them? He seems to be the most 'indie' of the group. > > Rumors don't just start from thin air (not including "Chris the > Scatman rumors" someone started here as a joke). I think Ben is > disturbed by the success, and maybe even some of these strange bedfellows > the band has taken in lately. > > > Did CC's admission of being an alcoholic in the latest Spin bother anyone? > > I don't understand how Management could leak something personal like this > > out. As much as I hated Gold Mountain Management for the Cobain > > fiasco...Personal information about a band member should be irrelevant to > > the masses. Why would they tell us this? > > I haven't seen the article, I wonder if sarcasim was the basis > for this statement (I hope). Soundgarden jokes alot . . . but this isn't > funny, it's disturbing. Alcoholic implies he's lost control. Shit, he > admitted to being an addict to Joe Public. I just hope he doesn't > complain if the media shit's on him for this one. God, I hope he's kidding. > > > Whoever is steering the ship...take a look at your map. > > > No shit. > > Mayor McCheese > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX > Soundgarden's next e.p.: "Digging our Own Grave" > > Featuring: Cold Pitcher (sung to "Cold Bitch") as featured in Molson ads. > Food (sung to "Fopp") as featured in McDonalds TV ads > Gum (sung to "Gun") Wriggley's Double Mint Wonder > > > ------------------------------ From: Dave Chartier Subject: newboy hello all you soundgerdies. I'm new to this list-brand new-and I've been reading over your emails that I found this morning, and I've noticed that you're all a little hostile. So, be nice to me. I'm not saying I'm the most pain ridden person around, but I'm having a hard time right now and I'm hoping I can make some friends, instead of losing all of mine, and not making more enemies. I hope that's ok with everyone. Now, to answer some questions that I feel I'm butted into, here goes: 1: Paul, although I'm new to Soundgarden as well as this list(and I'm sorry if that offends any of you major Soundgarden fans who have been with them since they bagen, but consider it this way:everyone has to start somewhere) Paul, right now, since I didn't like Superunknown that much;I'm trying to get OUT of the super-depressed kill everyone mood, I think Blow Up the Outside World rocks. Why? Cause that's how I feel sometimes. I just get so sick of stupid people and stupid friends and stupid parents that that's how I feel. Plus I love the ending when they're just chanting "blow up the outside" like they sound half drunk or something. ( Although I think drinking is stupid, as well as drugs and smoking. Call me a loser if you want.) Plus, Never Named is a fav too cause I TOTALLY feel like that: "I'm just a baby that looks like a boy." "I look like a man, and feel, like an -cool sounding pause- ant." So, that's just my humble opinion. 2:Greg: I saw half of AIC unplugged. I got it on tape from a friend, but I haven't had time to watch it. SInce it's summer, I got a whole bunch of projects that I wanna do -since I can work on whatever I want, like getting some sketches done, reading some books,( Anyone read Douglas Adams?) and spending time with friends that won't SCREW me over. ( I didn't want to use naughty language there, so I put screw in CAPITALS to enunciate the meaning, cause I coulda used lots of caughty words, but I hate the Govornment and I'd like to hold onto me RIGHT of free speech. Anyone else hear that? The RIGHT of free speech?) SO, I'll watch the rest of it, but what I saw RULED. I agree, AIC is one radical outfit. I loved how they opened the show. Each guy came out when their part was opening. That was cool.......... 3: ANd guys, try to stay nice. I get to watch enough fights among the stupid immature people here than to have to see people with seemingly a lot of intelligence ( I say "seemingly" cause I don't know you very well yet. Not cause I think any of you are stupid or immature. I have judged no one and I don't intend to) fight amongst themselves like wolves when they can maturely discuss topics like people should. Remember, we're not animals. Animals are great, but we aren't them, and we shouldn't act like them. When people start doing that, they get an identity crisis and they gotta go through therapy to find out who they truely are and....well it's a big ugly mess. And for the two people who are fighting about therapy ( I'm sorry I for got the names) if I can be so rude to but in and add my worthless 2 cents: therapy doesn't work. I know. My parents thought it'd be cute to send me.... shrinks don't understand us. They think they get a map of our minds but we are too different than them. It's almost like we exist in a different reality than them. I mean, I really do appreciate their valliant attempts to help our batterred generation, but they can't. Only we can. And we'd better start moving. Don't get me wrong, I really like US, but there's just some things that I think we gotta fix. Ok, nuff of my babbling that I bet none of you understand nor want to hear. Goodbye, and remember: please be nice. Oh, Greg, what's the address of that AIC list? I'd really like to know that.......... "I'm just a baby who looks like a boy" - -I'll have my own quote next time; any fellow songwriters out there? - -Dave ------------------------------ From: redfive@ozonline.com.au (Hando) Subject: Some shtuff and nonsense.... Yo Yo sommsters, DAMN!! - my noisy neighbours have just woken me from a rather deep sleep... oh well, might as well drop a line to the list with some shtuff..... **** Further to reports of SG's imminent appearance in Oz in the coming months, it looks as if they'll be playing The Big Day Out shows in Jan of '97 ( a great way to go out - apparently these will be the last Big Day Outs ever ). Crossing fingers for some solo shows, most likely with You Am I...... **** DOTU reached No.3 on Oz mainstream album charts, currently sitting at No.6 this week. Pretty Noose reached No.4 on Oz alternative singles charts, currently No. 8 this week....and the big one.... DOTU reached No.1 on Oz Alternative album charts!!! Currently No.2 this week..... **** Just adding some clarity to the You Am I discussion, They're a Sydney - based 3 piece fronted by guitarist / vocalist Tim Rogers. They released a few EP's from 1991 onwards before their first album Can't Get Started, which was produced by Lee Ranaldo of Sonic Youth, who also produced one of their earlier EP's ( Name dropping alert! - I saw Tim and Lee chatting at the Annandale Hotel in Sydney on December 30th last year ). The new album " Hourly, Daily " has spawned a single, " Soldiers " and will be released in Oz next week, through RA Records, a susidiary of RooArt Records ( which, incidentally, has just been bought out by Shock Music Australia, the record company I used to work for .... hmmm... will have to hit them for a promo copy.... ) So, all you Lollapaloozers (heh,heh) go and check them out!! **** GET AWAY!! " Spoonman " has just come on the radio as I type this!!! **** Speaking of Lolla, what a bonus it would be if they included Soundgarden's set as a part of the planned cybercast!! **** I got a letter from Shroom today!! WAAAAAAY KOOL!!!! ( Hando sits quietly in awe for a few seconds, then recovers.... ) Hmmmm.... wonder if I should mention that I downloaded Shroom's picture from the member's list and are using it as Windows wallpaper????? Thanx again, Shroom - really made my day!!!! **** Does anybody know if there is a SG T-shirt with the DOTU cover available ?? .... would pay all costs to anyone who would ship me one over to Oz ...... Speaking of T-shirts, it looks as if the joke about Nothingman running away with the somms T-shirt money might be a reality!! If he does come through with the goods, let me know if anyone gets a spare ( ol' Doofus me forgot to send some money off in time .... hey, maybe I'm not a doofus after all!!...) **** Excuse my ignorance, but what IRC server do I have to connect to to get on the somms chat channel?? Be great to talk to some of you sommsters ..... Well, there you have it. Gettin' kinda cold typing this in underwear and a Therapy? T-shirt....now there's a possible thread for conversation .... what do sommsters usually wear when posting stuff to the list???... ( you're suffering from sleep deprivation, Hando, GET TO BED!! ) G'night, my big global family !!!! Hando redfive@ozonline.com.au ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: pj *depressing*? i must say that i just don't understand where any of you think pj is depressing... i think it is some of the most energetic, empowering music that i have ever heard in my LIFE. i mean, even 'indifference' -- if you look at the words, what does it say? he's saying, 'how much difference does it make' while also saying that "i will scream my lungs out until it fills this room". he's saying, yeah, there may not be a point, it may not make a difference, but i will NOT let it defeat me! it's just amazing! while sg makes me feel amazing, pearl jam has quite literally saved my life. i'm sure many of you feel the opposite way, and it's one thing to say that pj doesn't speak to you, but to write all the music off as 'depressing' is a gross generalization and doing the band a huge disservice. i will be happy to continue to discuss this *OFF LIST*. after all, no sg content here. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Steve Koca Subject: What the hell? I turned on my TV today, my first day of summer, and Jenny McCarthy says next up is Pretty Noose from Soundgarden. It's off their new album DOTU. I get really hyped up since I've only seen the video twice. But then, it was a different video. At the beginning some guy said something and then the guys were in a room playing. Anyone know why this is? Confused, Twinkie The Kid aka Steve Koca - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Make a move and take the fifth cause ya can't take the first" -Rage Against The Machine - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The hand of god has got a ring about the size of Texas" -Soundgarden - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu (Vasant Ramamurthy) Subject: "Circle of Power" Lyrics I was wondering about the lyrics for "Circle of Power". The lyrics on the web site are pretty damn good, but there's a couple of lines I think are different. I don't think we'll ever get the right lyrics, unless we track down Hiro [Hmm, there's an idea :-)]. Everything after the ">" is straight from the web site lyrics, and everything without the ">" is my interpretation. >The day will finally come in _____ >Cause we have conquered a kingdom >And a place of rage >Covered with assholes They've earned all their keep >Well here we live >To see their fear and their trembling words Of apology Put it for every name on the list That's etched for every accomplished deed >Ol' big bad ass circle of power's comin' to getcha! I said so >Not necessarily dumb, but just uh...beautiful...beautiful... >Well it's the circle of power >And it's all >It's all the same >Ah the circle, spinning the circle of power >And it's under different names >Oh the circle of power >It's all the same >The circle of power Do you think we'll ever fully resolve the lyrics to this great song? :-) Vasant ****************************************************************************** THE REFUGE OF THE DAMNED-Check out lots o' music stuff here!! http://ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu/~vman/me.html vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu "I don't feel like feeling, feeling like you"-Face Pollution-Soundgarden ------------------------------ From: vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu (Vasant Ramamurthy) Subject: Are there 2 Pretty Noose Videos? What the hell?! I was watching MTV today around 11:50 am, Central, and some guy in a black shirt comes on saying Soundgarden was next. I didn't even realize this was part of the video for "Pretty Noose". Then, I heard the familiar opening chords and I hit the Record button so damn fast. So what's the story, are there 2 different videos? You know, I think we've talked about this before, but I probably didn't pay attention, stupid me. Someone help! Vasant ****************************************************************************** THE REFUGE OF THE DAMNED-Check out lots o' music stuff here!! http://ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu/~vman/me.html vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu "I don't feel like feeling, feeling like you"-Face Pollution-Soundgarden ------------------------------ From: "Thomas D. Ozbirn" Subject: RE: The Band is perfect the way it is - ---------- From: stella[SMTP:srogers@fix.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 1996 9:43 AM To: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: The Band is perfect the way it is With all this talk about who makes the band what it is..Yeah Matt is an AWESOME drummer and Ben is incredible bassist. But what I want to say is SG is perfect just the way it is. Without Kim they would suck. Without Matt they would suck. Without Ben they would suck. Without Chris they would suck. Maybe suck is too strong of a word but they definetly wouldn't be as successful and incredible as they are together as one group. <*> just wondering what your opinion is of some of the original lineups... ------------------------------ From: vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu (Vasant Ramamurthy) Subject: Re: Soundgarden on SNL >Dear SOMMS, >I am searching for a VHS copy of Soundgarden's performance on SNL last >month. Any information that you can send my way regarding this would >be greatly appreciated! >Thanks, >Don Hedeker That show is going to be rerun this Saturday, June 22. Vasant ****************************************************************************** THE REFUGE OF THE DAMNED-Check out lots o' music stuff here!! http://ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu/~vman/me.html vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu "I don't feel like feeling, feeling like you"-Face Pollution-Soundgarden ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: Blah... the divine shroom said... > >Hm... my view is this: Louder Than Love is WORSE > >than Ultramega OK. > > were trying to do with it. Don't get me wrong... I DO like LTL (c'mon... > it's SOUNDGARDEN)... but I always get this uneasy feeling when I listen to it > that the band didn't quite accomplish what they were shooting for. It's like > they were trying to make an album (under pressure) FOR the record company. > prefer LTL over Ultramega. Ultramega was SOUNDGARDEN. LTL was like SG > trying to be ROCK STARS. Heheheh... I'm going to get flamed for this, yes? > Oh well. actually, i agree. i was living in the middle east in the late 80's/early 90's and used to get stuff on tape from friends, which is how i found out about sg in the first place. i had a tape of 'screaming life' which i played until it wore out, and around that time BMF came out and i managed to scrounge a copy. i also borrowed a copy of LTL and i just HATED it and promptly forgot about it (except for 'big dumb sex' which is still a riot!). anyway, i had so totally blocked it from my brain until a few months ago when i was doing some 'catch up' record shopping and put LTL in the cd player at the store to make sure i didnt have it... and then i remembered! 'ive heard this album! i fucking HATED it!' but ya know, whatever. it's what they had to say at the moment, they didn't like it, and they had the courage to go and do what they wanted next time around.... *snuffle* should i mention that i came down with a raging cold last night and that i feel like SHIT????!!! i can't exactly call in sick and then just go to the show tomorrow.. so i'm at work feeling miserable. i'm going to bed early tonight, that's for sure... oh! someone asked, forget who, whether or not this show on thursday wsa a publicity stunt. and i have to say i think it IS in some way -- only because all those press releases we got from the fan club made sure to mention, in best press-release fashion, about how they were 'giving something back to the fans'. if you're REALLY giving something back to the fans, then just give it, don't grandstand about it. when pearl jam did the fan club shows, they just DID IT. they mailed out tickets to people and said, 'see ya!' i wonder if their decision to play the showbox had something to do with the beer thing. i mean, i know it's a stretch, but... and yes, dena, i am pissed too. i'm pissed for my friend andy, who is the BIGGEST sg fan i have ever known, who is only 20 and therefore couldn't go. he's never seen them, he'll never have this chance again. i really am going to work now... - --caryn ------------------------------ From: "Thomas D. Ozbirn" Subject: RE: rantings.. - ---------- From: overfloater@thenexus.com[SMTP:overfloater@thenexus.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 1996 7:51 PM To: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: rantings.. nodlots... :( at least soundgarden aren't the trend anymore, cause that's just annoying. i mean, it's trendy to be anti-trend nowadays, and no one but the people who don't CARE about trends realize it. i mean, why worry about what everyone else is doing? it's so dumb.. and as for the jocks who ask "who the hell listens to soundgarden anymore.." DUH! if someones wearing a soundgarden shirt, they must listen to soundgarden, no? everything's replaced by hardcore nowadays, but im just really fed up with the whole thing and i stay in my room and listen to soundgarden and kyuss and truly and things:) <*> i know people who wear band shirts cause they think they're cool and = don't really care the band, that gets to me. i've really become = disillusioned with the whole thing, it's just marketing. i only = understand getting a shirt at a show or something, just for memories, = you know? -kevin ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: Are there 2 Pretty Noose Videos? i remember someone saying that there was a european version and that there were no plans to release it here. perhaps one of the euro sommsters can tell us what their version of the video looks like? then you could compare... or maybe frank kozik will emerge and enlighten us (please)? ;-) - --caryn ------------------------------ From: "Thomas D. Ozbirn" Subject: RE: Some shtuff and nonsense.... - ---------- From: Hando[SMTP:redfive@ozonline.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 1996 11:14 AM To: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: Some shtuff and nonsense.... Well, there you have it. Gettin' kinda cold typing this in underwear and a Therapy? T-shirt....now there's a possible thread for conversation = .... what do sommsters usually wear when posting stuff to the list???... ( you're suffering from sleep deprivation, Hando, GET TO BED!! ) G'night, my big global family !!!! Hando redfive@ozonline.com.au =20 <*> just a pair of jeans, smoking a cigarette. unclean, need a shower = but it's storming outside and i got really freaked while i was playing = my guitar, my arm started tingling and they say that's when it will = strike (only if i'm lucky) -kevin ------------------------------ From: COCHRAN_BONNIE/SBCTC@ctc.ctc.edu Subject: At what price SG??? I don't know what kind of activity has happened on the list regarding the show this Thursday. But, here's some more. If it's been asked, my apologies ahead of time. First, would anyone out there who has a ticket be willing to sell it? I can' imagine too many reasons for giving one up, but it does happen. If so, please e-mail me and let's talk! Second, let's say any one of you has the chance to buy a ticket for this show. It's right there in front of you. Logistics don't matter (you don't have to figure any other expense in, like travel, etc.) How much would YOU be willing to pay for one ticket? Just an interesting question, with the earlier talk about what expense to see SG at Lolla. I'm faced with this particular dilemma. I just wanted some perspective on this from other list members. If you want me to know your answers before I lay down my money (if I really get the chance), please e-mail me directly. I get the digest and by the time it comes out, it'll probably be too late. Thanks! Bonnie ------------------------------ From: Lightning Boy Subject: Re:best ending to a song At 09:14 AM 6/19/96 EDT, you wrote: >By the way, what is the general conscensus about the best Soundgarden song?? >Personally I would have to go with Tighter and Tighter. That song just blows me >away, its like a song taken straight from BMF with the guitar sound and >screaming solo in it.....fucking great song... What does everybody think????? > > Squigs.. Tighter and Tighter is my favorite song on DOTU, although I still like FOBD and Outshined better! Just my $0.02... On another note, I just joined the list, so I don't know if this has been hashed out before, but why is there a cross next to 4th Of July on the back of Superunknown? .__ .__ .__ __ .__ __________ | | |__| ____ | |___/ |_ ____ |__| ____ ____ \______ \ ____ ___.__. | | | |/ ___\| | \ __\/ \| |/ \ / ___\ | | _// _ < | | | |_| / /_/ > | \ | | | \ | | \/ /_/ > | | ( <_> )___ | |____/__\___ /|___| /__| |___| /__|___| /\___ / |______ /\____// ____| /_____/ \/ \/ \//_____/ \/ \/ lightning@ag.net http://www.ag.net/~lightning/ ------------------------------ From: "Greg Dunbar" Subject: Re: PJ and depression Yeah good call Dena. Pearl Jam are real depressing and destructive, but I don't know how anyone can actually like 'em at all. Eddie's vocals just suck, and to be honest I haven't got Temple Of The Dog yet because I hate Pearl Jam so much. Can anyone give me some advice on whether to get Temple Of The Dog: Is it more Pearl Jam or more Soundgarden? (I think I read that Chris wrote all of the songs, does this shine through on the record?) I've only heard Hunger Strike, I think it's OK but nowhere near as good as any one Soundgarden song. Also is Hater worth the $30? Who sings and are any of those guys from Monster Magnet still in the band now? On Australian bands, ie. You Am I, I can't say I like them that much but is after all up to personal discretion. As for the ARIA awards, I think that they suck, people like Tina Arena, John Farnham and co. really stink. Has anyone heard of The Mark Of Cain by the way? I've got the Ill At Ease album and I think that it is a very good piece of work. Also have to agree with the Geekgirl about Courtney, she reeks! Have any of you guys seen AIC unplugged? I know this should be saved for the Angry Chair mailing list but I haven't subscribed yet and I'm way excited about the whole thing. AIC are an awesome outfit. Here's something strange. My friend who I converted into a Soundgarden fan doesn't really like Down On The Upside. He is really picky about the whole thing and absoloutely hates Ty Cobb, likes the words to Zero Chance but says it is too much like Zeppelin, and that Dusty is too Zepplinish. He seems to hate any kind of plagorism, however slight, but is a huge Cathedral fan who are total rip offs of his fav. band Black Sabbath. He also can't stand Big Dumb Sex and So What by Metallica. He is one weird dude. Rock Hard There, Greg Dunbar - ------------------------------------------------------------- greg@lin.cbl.com.au - --------------------------------------------------- SOUNDGARDEN ALICE IN CHAINS METALLICA SEPULTURA WHITE ZOMBIE PRIMUS TOOL - --------------------------------------------------- The above mentioned bands rule! ------------------------------ From: Gonzo Subject: Re: PJ and depression It is more Chris Cornell then Eddie Vedder,Except for Hunger Strike,where Ed Sings 1 of the verses,Chris sings all of the songs and Ed I think sings Backup vocals on some.Chris wrote all the lyrics.I am not sure about who wrote the Music.It is definitely more soundgarden sounding,even though Mike McCready and Jeff Ament play Guitar and Bass respectively on the album. I do not remember the names of all the tracks,but Wooden Jesus and Call me a Dog are spectacular.Say Hello to Heaven is a great eulogy to Andrew Wood. Chris 's vocals on 4 walls is deep and throaty.Reach Down,Pushing Back,or whatever it is called,Rock heavy ,they Jam out these. Just get it,You can't go wrong on this one. Gonzo At 08:54 PM 6/19/96 +0000, you wrote: >because I hate Pearl Jam so much. Can anyone give me some advice on >whether to get Temple Of The Dog: Is it more Pearl Jam or more >Soundgarden? (I think I read that Chris wrote all of the songs, does >this shine through on the record?) I've only heard Hunger Strike, I >think it's OK but nowhere near as good as any one Soundgarden song. >Also is Hater worth the $30? Who sings and are any of those guys from >Monster Magnet still in the band now? > ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 159] ****************************************