From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 18 Jun 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 17:34:39 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Tuesday, 18 Jun 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: the tour repertoire... Re:Drum solos Soundgarden on SNL Re: Drum solos people on this list have NO sense of humor... opinion vs. vicious rude flames SG at the Showbox! Re: Weird Thumbs???? re : Cable Guy re : Ty Cobb, endings... Pearl Jam Comic my own lousy SG contest (#3) Re: Weird Thumbs???? Re: Weird Thumbs???? One Man's Poison is Another Man's Food Re: Weird Thumbs???? interesting list stats Re: SatanOscillateMyMetallicSonatas raining icepicks on your steel shore... I built an elevator from his bones... wishing I was reaching for nothingman's wallet and not his mantle... Re: State of Origin #3, New South Wales beats Queensland!! Clean sweep 3-0 Sleeping with Soundarden assorted ramblings Re: stand up and everyone will see... stuff Re: the tour repertoire... Re: Drum solos Sonics or Soundgarden? A choice I had to make. & Re:Are You Serious? supermainstream & thursday... Sleeping with Soundarden Re: not hungover any more.... Duets PJ and depression it has come to my attention RE: not hungover any more.......but I just HAVE to say hi to my infuriating fri Re: best ending to a song New Texas Lolla Date (Finally!!) Re: More lolla info... Re: best ending to a song What about Ben??!! Re: New Texas Lolla Date (Finally!!) from today's ATN heh heh sg and beer... ATN Movin' on up.... It's wonderful Re: Movin' on up.... Re: New Texas Lolla Date (Finally!!) RE: interesting list stats RE: supermainstream & thursday... Re: best ending to a song The Band is perfect the way it is RE: endings...beginnings...Rusty Cage RE: and still a little more on You Am I ------------------------------------------------------------ From: al639266@sun1.ur.mx (Robin Brookeneck) Subject: the tour repertoire... Hi! Does anybody know about what songs do they perform on the concerts ? If they still play Hands all Over on the last tour or Searching with... Thanks... loVe IS LikE SuiciDe ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re:Drum solos On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, John Grieves wrote: > If that's the case, there's complexity in that simplicity, if you know what > I mean...Matt makes his general drumming interesting, let alone fills etc. yes, that's exactly my point. i don't want to compare him to a jazz drummer but that is partly it... they stood out because they fit so well, yet they were technically unbelievable -- just didn't show it off in the john bonham/keith moon style. on the other hand, yesterday i was thinking about how much i'd love to see sg do "communication breakdown" by led zeppelin, mostly because of seeing matt's drumwork (and getting to hear kim interpret that solo!!!). i know this isn't sg related, but yet another drummer whose work has recently impressed me greatly is jimmy chamberlain of the smashing pumpkins. i wasn't a big fan, but saw them in february and his drumming just blew me away. again, not huge displays of how many drums can i hit at once, just tasteful, creative work that fits the songs and integrates well with the rest of the arrangement. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Subject: Soundgarden on SNL Dear SOMMS, I am searching for a VHS copy of Soundgarden's performance on SNL last month. Any information that you can send my way regarding this would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Don Hedeker ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Drum solos From: seth > >He has to be one of the best finesse > >drummers in the rock field today. > > I wonder how many drummers could do what Matt does? Do you think he's > exclusive in his field or do you think other drummers, if they were so > inclined to play such rhythmically difficult music, could rise to the > occassion? I wouldn't think there would be too many who would have the > natural skill, but what do you think? If you want a true indication of just how amazing Matt's drumming really is, listen to a Soundgarden album and then listen to the Tone Dogs album. It's hard to believe one person is that flexible that he can handle such different types of music with apparent ease. Agreed, hats off to Matt... seth ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: people on this list have NO sense of humor... On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Carolyn Hanel wrote: > "Matt, what would YOU do if you found Chris Cornell lying unconscious in a field?" > > but maybe they're just the kind of questions Soundgarden folk love to answer. see... this is one of my problems. a friend of mine posted the above question... he is male... he gives me shit about my cc obsession... it was a JOKE fer chrissakes! all of you who take this so seriously... shroom takes it seriously... i take it seriously... how you could have thought that the above was anything BUT a joke... i just don't get. *shrug* ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: opinion vs. vicious rude flames On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Carolyn Hanel wrote: > >Amen! And more power to all of us for not being afraid to say what we > feel. > > And yet when Chris wrote what he did (a personal opinion of his), Caryn jumped down his throat!! It seems to be okay for a person to say one thing, and not for someone else to say another.......... i jumped down his throat when he was rude and obnoxious. there is a difference between your opinion (i don't like x band because...) and "calm down you stupid woman you need therapy". then again, i guess that was his opinion... so i am entitled to express my opinion in return. just because you don't agree with me doesn't make it me jumping down his throat. he was rude, and this would have DIED if you hadn't seen fit to throw it all in our faces again. just my opinion. ------------------------------ From: iawake@ix.netcom.com (Chris (SGardnGrl)) Subject: SG at the Showbox! Damn it! Damn it! Damn it!.....you people in Seattle get all the luck!!! I am so bummed out that I don't live there..........I WANT TO GO TO THAT SHOW SO BAD!!!!!! Along with all the other people on the list that didn't get tickets. Hey, does anyone know if Chris, Kim, Matt or Ben where in Chicago for the Sonics/Bulls game? I saw Eddie Vedder amoung others....just was curious. The Sonics came so close this year! At 5:00pm yesterday.. yes....horns were a honkin!!!!!!!Well, we will get them maybe next year!!!!! Hey Matt Cameron, if you are reading this, Christy (thats me!) wants to go to the Showbox show increadibly bad!, can ya spare a ticket?) SGardnGrl ------------------------------ From: Bleach Subject: Re: Weird Thumbs???? If its a Gmajor, you dont even use your thumb... :> --==Bleach.at.primenet.dot.com==-- --==Support Gibson, buy a Les Paul==-- (bleach@primenet.com) <-- for slow people On Sun, 9 Jun 1996, Jovica Popovic wrote: > On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Daniel Ladle wrote: > > > Actually, You don't in any way use your thumbs to play the guitar (unless > > you count picking and strumming) so double jointed thumbs shouldnt affect > > his playing in any way. > > Err... How do you play G chord? Having a flexible thumb can be very > useful for that one, and countless others played in similar manner. > > --- jpop@fly.cc.fer.hr --- Sit back and watch my divine spark flash... > -- jovica.popovic@fer.hr -- Disclaimer: I didn't do it, nobody saw me do > - Jovica Popovic - it, can't prove anything! > ------------------------------ From: Outshined@aol.com Subject: re : Cable Guy >> I just came back from seeing The Cable Guy. I won't comment on the movie, >> but a friend of Matthew Broderick's character was wearing an Soundgarden >> t-shirt! He said, "Man, ready to go to the show?" or something like that. >> A SG show? yeah, I caught that right away!! Nice touch... :) I was also wondering if they were gonna go see SG... right after you see him in the scene wearing the Superunknown shirt, he gets in his car and sits for a few seconds before pulling away... I was trying to figure out what song he was listening to on the radio... if it was SG, it sounded like No Attention... if they had the guy wearing the shirt, they could have at LEAST put SG on the soundtrack... :) also : Chicago Bulls. 87-13. 1996 Champs. Sorry Seattle... :) ------------------------------ From: Outshined@aol.com Subject: re : Ty Cobb, endings... >> I don't know who it was or what song they said, but someone was talking >> about the best ending to a SG song.. I like the ending to Ty Cobb, >> personally. What does everyone else think? Ty Cobb has a good ending... in fact I can't think of a better ending for that song... the nice shout caps it off perfectly... my fave ending is still the end of Rusty Cage... the vocals build for a couple seconds ("I'm gonna break my rusty cage...), then echo off (and run...) in a few short seconds you're dropped right into Outshined... nothing technically spectacular, just great vocal effects... ------------------------------ From: jammie Subject: Pearl Jam Comic I have that pearl jam comic book, but really it should be a soundgarden one, it's more like the story of soundgarden and sub pop than that of seattle, and it does have silver in it... well in case you ppl are interested in purchasing it, i know they were selling it in this catalog i got from "Concert Express" ... you can usually find their ads in music mags like hit parader or RIP or circus etc.. I don't have their # or address w/ me right now, but if anyone wants to e-mail me for it i'd be willing to look, i know i have it around here someplace, i think they were also selling complete soundgarden comic books too... jamjam ------------------------------ From: Eric Gardner Subject: my own lousy SG contest (#3) And you don't even have to tell me what your favorite cut is on DotU.:) (maybe an essay contest next time, eh?) This time it's a copy of the No Alternative cd. Only one SG track (Show Me), but well worth the price of admission.:) Here is the complete track list, grabbed directly from Mr. Russell's discography: Compilation: No Alternative (Arista, February 4, 1993) 1. Matthew Sweet - Superdeformed 2. Buffalo Tom - For All to See 3. Soul Asylum - Sexual Healing 4. Urge Overkill - Take a Walk 5. American Music Club - All Your Jeans Were Too Tight 6. Goo Goo Dolls - Bitch 7. Pavement - Unseen Power of the Picket Fence 8. Smashing Pumpkins - Glynis 9. Bob Mould - Can't Fight It 10. Sarah McLachlan - Hold On 11. Soundgarden - Show Me 12. Straitjacket Fits - Brittle 13. Barbara Manning - Joed Out 14. The Verlaines - Heavy 33 15. Uncle Tupelo - Effigy 16. Beastie Boys - It's the New Style 17. The Breeders - Iris 18. Patti Smith - Memorial Tribute 19. Nirvana - Verse, Chorus, Verse (hidden track-CD only). The usual rules and disclaimers apply. Drawing to be held sometime on the morning of 20 June (that's 20 June here on waste coast of the usa). Name picked at random, blah blah blah... The recipient needs to provide an address so I can mail it to them (I thought that was obvious...:) Eric (any newfies on this list? reply to me, not the list, please.) ------------------------------ From: Gonzo Subject: Re: Weird Thumbs???? Take the Bar E chord instead of using index finger to bar across all 6 strings, ||___|___|__|__|______ ||__I|___|__|__|______ ||___|M__|__|__|______ ||___|___|R_|__|_____ ||___|___|_P|__|_____ ||_T_|___|__|__|_____ Use thumb (T) to fret the Root of the chord,leaves all your fingers free to move around.this way one can perform hammer ons,pull offs,different voicings. I=index finger,M=middle,R=ring,P=pinky,T=thumb At 04:18 PM 6/17/96 -0700, you wrote: >If its a Gmajor, you dont even use your thumb... :> > > --==Bleach.at.primenet.dot.com==-- > --==Support Gibson, buy a Les Paul==-- >On Sun, 9 Jun 1996, Jovica Popovic wrote: > >> On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Daniel Ladle wrote: >> >> > Actually, You don't in any way use your thumbs to play the guitar (unless >> > you count picking and strumming) so double jointed thumbs shouldnt affect >> > his playing in any way. >> >> Err... How do you play G chord? Having a flexible thumb can be very >> useful for that one, and countless others played in similar manner. >> > ------------------------------ From: Bleach Subject: Re: Weird Thumbs???? ahh... I see, cool. I'll try it out. --==Bleach.at.primenet.dot.com==-- --==Support Gibson, buy a Les Paul==-- (bleach@primenet.com) <-- for slow people On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Gonzo wrote: > Take the Bar E chord > instead of using index finger to bar across all 6 strings, > ||___|___|__|__|______ > ||__I|___|__|__|______ > ||___|M__|__|__|______ > ||___|___|R_|__|_____ > ||___|___|_P|__|_____ > ||_T_|___|__|__|_____ > > Use thumb (T) to fret the Root of the chord,leaves all your fingers free to > move around.this way one can perform hammer ons,pull offs,different voicings. > I=index finger,M=middle,R=ring,P=pinky,T=thumb > At 04:18 PM 6/17/96 -0700, you wrote: > >If its a Gmajor, you dont even use your thumb... :> > > > > --==Bleach.at.primenet.dot.com==-- > > --==Support Gibson, buy a Les Paul==-- > > >On Sun, 9 Jun 1996, Jovica Popovic wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Daniel Ladle wrote: > >> > >> > Actually, You don't in any way use your thumbs to play the guitar (unless > >> > you count picking and strumming) so double jointed thumbs shouldnt affect > >> > his playing in any way. > >> > >> Err... How do you play G chord? Having a flexible thumb can be very > >> useful for that one, and countless others played in similar manner. > >> > > > ------------------------------ From: Heather Aston Subject: One Man's Poison is Another Man's Food When reading the list, I find it useful to keep this in mind: One man's poison is another man's food. There will rarely be a message sent to the list which everyone agrees with and thinks is worthwhile. What appeals to one person may not appeal to someone else. Therefore, none of us (except for Seth) can dictate what should be posted to the list. Keeping this in mind, characterizing someone's posts as "bandwith wasting crapola" or "utter crap" is rude, and wrong. Before you say something like this, ask yourself how you would feel were someone to say the same about a message you had sent. I don't want to sound bossy, or shrewish, but I'm confused about why this isn't clear yet. So many people have said basically the same thing-that we each have the right to contribute what we want to the list, provided it is SG related. If you don't like something, that is your right. But before you post calling something "shit", "crap" or anything in the same vein, think how you would feel to see the same comments in reference to what you'd written. I enjoy all of the posts to this list. I don't play guitar, so the ones about tabulatures are like Greek to me. I'm not in lust with Chris, so posts about his sexy body dont' speak to my heart. But I'm glad to see both kinds of posts just the same. They give me a picture of what various people on the list are like. And because we have so many different types of posts, not just ones on music, it shows us to be a very diverse group of people. I think that's good thing. Can you imagine how dull the list would be if we only talked about music? What would we do without Shroom's posts? Or Caryn's? Or Nothingman's? We would not be nearly as interesting as we are. ------------------------------ From: Gonzo Subject: Re: Weird Thumbs???? All right,Let me know what you think,This discussion about thumbs started because of something Kim Thayil said in the Guitar Player June96 article.He rest his double jointed thumb perpendicular to the fret board,right at the bottom of the neck,pointing toward the head stock.with his thumb planted like that,he can go much higher up on the neck. Ouch,that sounds like that would hurt. Gonzo At 05:19 PM 6/17/96 -0700, you wrote: >ahh... I see, cool. I'll try it out. > > --==Bleach.at.primenet.dot.com==-- > --==Support Gibson, buy a Les Paul==-- >(bleach@primenet.com) <-- for slow people > >On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Gonzo wrote: > >> Take the Bar E chord >> instead of using index finger to bar across all 6 strings, >> ||___|___|__|__|______ >> ||__I|___|__|__|______ >> ||___|M__|__|__|______ >> ||___|___|R_|__|_____ >> ||___|___|_P|__|_____ >> ||_T_|___|__|__|_____ >> >> Use thumb (T) to fret the Root of the chord,leaves all your fingers free to >> move around.this way one can perform hammer ons,pull offs,different voicings. >> I=index finger,M=middle,R=ring,P=pinky,T=thumb >> At 04:18 PM 6/17/96 -0700, you wrote: >> >If its a Gmajor, you dont even use your thumb... :> >> > >> > --==Bleach.at.primenet.dot.com==-- > ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: interesting list stats looking at 5 days of digests: 63 list members posted total. people who posted the most: 1) seth [i stopped counting] 2) thomas ozbirn [13 times] 3) blind dog [6] 4)gregg/carolyn (tie) [5] 5) oponfam [4] 6) urbano/greg bensimon/jerm [3] 90% of the posts dealt with sg's music 98% had sg content (the other two were the bulls/sonics [which is tangentially sg] and dthe others were discussions of other music] i really don't know how anyone could say that most of the posts are full of 'chris is so sexy' type posts. reading through the digests on the web site i was amazed again at the depth of the subjects we cover. just fyi. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Gonzo Subject: Re: SatanOscillateMyMetallicSonatas Hey Geoff,You can add me to the SOMMS list.I found a copy at the record collectors show 2 weeks ago.It only cost me $15.00.In addition, I picked up 12" double vinyl Superunknown On orange vinyl.Does anyone know if the blue colored vinyl is rarer then the orange?I spent about 4 hours at the show and found 12"Loud Love.has a picture of Kim etched on the B-side,12" Flower single,Outshined 7" picture disc,FOBD 7" picture disc,FOBD UK single #1,FOBD Australian single and FOBD European single #1. Gonzo ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: raining icepicks on your steel shore... On Sat, 15 Jun 1996 erin@planet.eon.net wrote: firstly, commiserations to the band. the sonics were playing well for a while there, but how are you going to beat the bulls at home? now if only dennis rodman could get michael and scottie to listen to his soundgarden tapes more often... :) > I don't know who it was or what song they said, but someone was talking > about the best ending to a SG song.. I like the ending to Ty Cobb, > personally. What does everyone else think? I'd have to go for mailman and tighter and tighter. mailman is exceptional, with chris screaming 'yes I'm riding you' until the mic almost overloads, and matt's drums having almost as much crunch as kim's guitar :) as for tighter, I've been waiting a long time to hear soundgarden do a real blues-type song, and they pull it off perfectly here. ben and matt are as tight as hell, and kim pulls off some fills that are as good as the solo proper . btw carolyn, I'm right here :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: I built an elevator from his bones... On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Chris Mackenzie wrote: > You Am I - Hi Fi Way CD - $4.99 CDN > Australian members shed some light? (They are an Australian band, I know Carolyn has mentioned them before...) > For those who don't know how/why this is SG related, You Am I opened for SG on the second half of the > Superunknown tour and will be playing Lollapalooza's second stage this summer during the first half of I know lee has already stood on the you am I soapbox already, but I'm just going to add a couple of thoughts. you am I are an australian band, who toured with soundgarden here early in 1994. the guys from soundgarden liked them so much that they asked you am I to support them on their upcoming tour of america. did anyone in the states see them? they were great as a support act here. so if you want to hear some well-written songs, a fairly good voice and some australian accents between songs, visit your nearest lollapalooza 2nd stage :) anyhow, they are now releasing a new cd called hourly daily, which is supposed to be a bit of a departure from their first album. I am going to have to buy it next monday (when I buy the new screaming trees cd _dust_). it would be going to far to say that if you like soundgarden you will like you am I (can you spell ghoul?), because the two are widely different. but they are a great band, and if you see any of their records you should check them out. returning to soundgaren content: look closely at the my wave video, and you will see matt wearing a black you am I tshirt (while crafting a magnificent roll, I might add) in a shot just before the beginning of kim's backwards guitar melody. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: wishing I was reaching for nothingman's wallet and not his mantle... On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, John Grieves wrote: > I wonder how many drummers could do what Matt does? Do you think he's > exclusive in his field or do you think other drummers, if they were so > inclined to play such rhythmically difficult music, could rise to the > occassion? I wouldn't think there would be too many who would have the for me, matt cameron makes soundgarden's music what it is. I know there will be a fair amount of people muttering 'but what about chris' voice, or kim's vocals, or ben's wayward spitting?', but without matt, soundgarden's music would be greatly different. if he and his three arms were not behind the kit, I'm sure that the songs chris, ben and kim write would be a lot less interesting, both in terms of rhythm and structure. for example, kim couldn't keep never the machine for his solo record, because he wouldn't have been able to find another drummer capable of playing it (not that kim would have written the drum track for that song, but can you imagine the warrant drummer deliberating over *that* one?) another example: if you listen to _spanaway_ by seaweed, matt comes on for just one song, and *entirely* changes the tone of the band; the vocals sound better, the guitars sound more alive, and the song itself outpaces any of the other rather standard stuff on the rest of the record. anyway, I seem to have strayed from the topic. drummers who could perhaps match it with the tone dog himself? a recent post named jimmy chamberlain, and I would have to agree. his fills are sometimes just as interesting as matt's, and I'm sure that if billy wrote rusty cage, jimmy could play it. also very worthy of mention are will calhoun of the now defunct living colour (a master of the skins) and sean kinney (kind of under-rated, but can handle his own share of timechanges). so I would have to say that while matt is a damn fine drummer, he isn't exclusive in his field. it's more a case of his drumming making soundgarden and their music a far more exclusive listen (for those of us with a greater attention span than your regular hootie listener). ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: ar303921@student.uq.edu.au (DEFsonic) Subject: Re: State of Origin #3, New South Wales beats Queensland!! Clean sweep 3-0 Cc: somms@MIT.EDU >Yes, fantastic!! Blues beat Maroons in the rugby league here in Australia! ummm no comment..... At least it was the best game of the series. >Okay, the only reason to bring this up is much the same as the second State >of Origin - Soundgarden's "Pretty Noose" was played on the television coming >back from an ad break after the first half was completed. Just a short >snippet, but more than enough! :) yeah they did that in the 2nd game too > >Bit too much time on my hand, methinks... NO we're both studing for exams and have no time fro e-mail, much less watching footy :) _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ SONIC E-mail ar303921@student.uq.edu.au Turn it UP and Play it LOUD!! Let the blood rush to your head!! CD I'm listening to this week: Been too busy, haven't checked into the CD listening department. 2 weeks and the cd of the week will be back :) ------------------------------ From: ASDrum@aol.com Subject: Sleeping with Soundarden To Overfloater: I don't think Kim really HATES industrial music. In fact I've read in a couple of different interviews that he actually LIKES Nine Inch Nails. On that Kiss tour thaang: I heard that Alice in Chains was officially slated to open the first four shows, and then assorted other bands (no one major) would take over opening duty. I'm am a major speed demon...hell I spend half my life in my car. Ty Cobb is definitely gonna be the death of me. I always have to check the speedometer when that one comes on, because the "demon" takes over. But a really GREAT song to jam to is Face Pollution. It just always reminds of cruising down I-95 in Miami, at about 80 mph, all the windows down, the sunroof open, and just kickin it. Aaaaahh. Favorite B-sides? Glad you asked. 1) Cold Bitch 2) Toy Box 3) Girl U Want 4) Kyle Petty, Son of Richard 5) Blind Dogs 6) Nowhere But You 7) Seasons 8) Beyond the Wheel (Live) 9) Heretic (from Pump up the Volume) 10) Like Suicide (acoustic) BTW, I know we've probably already gone over this. But the missing lyrics to Burden in My Hand...does it go: Follow me into the desert, as deperate as you are The moon is glued to a picture of heaven and *********** What's that last part? And finally, sleeping with Soundgarden. This may sound corny, but I fell asleep to Tighter and Tighter. Honestly! Picture, if you will (this is a true story) ME - are you picturing me? - OK. It was when Soundgarden was on Rockline the first time (right before DOTU came out). I had my calendar marked for this 'event' since I found out about it. I would be home for it at all costs. So that night, I have a tape in the tape deck, ready to go. I think the show started at 10:30. In the meantime, a thunderstorm....not just any thunderstorm, a SEVERE thunderstorm, rolls through the area and knocks the power out.....promptly at 10:29. NATRA-FUCKINGLY! To say that I was EXTREMELY PISSED is an understatement. Luckily, I find this piece of shit tape recorder in the garage, and it even had batteries! Whoa!!! Now we're dealing. So I have the tape recorder on the coffee table, all the windows open (it was very, very hot), and candles lit up all around the room. I'm laying on the couch, sweltering, but mellow, and oh so content. Towards the end of Rockline, they played Tighter and Tighter. I guess I was little TOO relaxed. Or shall we say, the SONG was too relaxing. And hypnotic. It was also the first time I had ever heard it. I passed out cold. Next thing I know, I look up and it's 4:00 AM. Still no power. So there you have it. And remember, a day without sunshine is like.........night! ~Soundgarden - a tear from an eye, dreaming........... ANG ------------------------------ From: rea47935@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu (Rick Agrait) Subject: assorted ramblings best ending to a song: i love the ending to holy water. especially how it picks up momentum and keeps getting faster and faster, then when you thing it's about to get even faster it just stops. while were on the topic of endings i noticed that two songs on dotu have similar endings to other songs. imo the ending of no attention reminds me of the ending of blind by korn. also i know a lot of ppl are gonna disagree on this one, but the ending of boot camp kinda reminds me of the ending of hurt by nine inch nails.boot camp: 'far away..far away from here..and ill be here for good...for good' and then feedback till the end. hurt: 'if i could start again a million miles away i would keep myself..i would find a way...' then feedback till the end. what do you ppl think? chris' sexy body and the like: i myself, while do not share their views on the topic, do find some of the posts to be comic relief, esp. some of shroom's sigs at the end of posts. lighten up ppl, im sure that the non-guitar playing ppl in the list like reading 20 posts about kim's thumb as much as the ppl bitching enjoy reading about chris's body (me i enjoy both). as one of the ppl who doesn't post that often and just kinda sits back and reads everybody's posts i find reading my mssgs everyday and finding ppl who are as equally obssesive with tiny SG details kinda comforting. as well, i find the list a great place to get my SG questions answered. i wish that everybody would just respect everybody's opinions and keep the bitching to a minimum. if youre having a shitty day and feel like you MUST flame someone who disagrees, please do it off the list, the only messages in the list that truly do annoy me are the insults and flames. applebite and end of dotu: whoever said that this is a great song to fall asleep to is totally correct. it seems like everytime i listen to DOTU whenever applebite comes on i kinda get sucked in and my brain stops working, the vibe on songs like tighter & tighter, switch opens, and overfloater keeps me like this until an unkind comes on and 'we see the vipers of distance' wakes me up and then boot camp has the same applebite effect. dont ask me where nvtmf and no attention go where im listening on headphones go..i always seem to forget them too on the headphones. - -hasswipee ------------------------------ From: Aleko Subject: Re: stand up and everyone will see... Listening to it right oops it finished the solo in Cold Bitch. This whole song is great, hard to tell what he is singing though. "Happiness is not for us to find but for us to search for" ------------------------------ From: jsharp@nwlink.com (fisto) Subject: stuff I got a Mind Funk CD sampler the other day free with a purchase of $5.oo or more and I have to say... it is really bad. Now i wasn't expecting much from Jason Everman's band, but it was worse than I thought. And Ben was a roadie for Nirvana (as has been established) and he was going to join them but it Mark Arm and all those influental people told them not to get a new guitarist after Everman. It would have been really weird anyway, because I wonder if they would have let him write any songs, and if he did how would they sound (i can't really picture it). And it also said that he was in a band with Chad Channing called Tick-Dolly-Row, and that one time he incited the audience at a concert to do the "worm" (where everybody gets on the floor and tries to roll around and knock other people down). ifisto!!-- "The fingers you have used to dial are too fat... if you would like to place an order for an oversized touchtone pad press your whole palm on the pad ... now"-from that show where the people are yello and they wear funny hats ------------------------------ From: Aleko Subject: Re: the tour repertoire... On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Robin Brookeneck wrote: > Hi! Does anybody know about what songs do they perform on the > concerts ? Mostly Soundgarden songs :) > If they still play Hands all Over on the last tour or Searching with... > > Thanks... > loVe IS LikE SuiciDe > > "Happiness is not for us to find but for us to search for" ------------------------------ From: stephen napoles Subject: Re: Drum solos Jackhammer, In response to your question as to whether or not drummers would rise to the occasion to play more diversified rhythmical music, I'm not sure. the reason I'm really not sure is because if you look at music as a whole, you see an awful lot of jazz drummers who are able to handle the syncopation and odd time signatures without raising a sweat. I was taught to play by listening to the more formal timings of rock and it is difficult for me to comprehend the varying time signatures of most jazz and many SG tunes. On the whole, I feel that playing your standard rock tune is much easier and from my experience I would say that most rock trained drummers could not easily make the switch. I know that I can't, I'm generally too used to listening for that regular pulsing down beat. It's also not as if I haven't tried. I'm sure that if I practised endlessly I could master the time shifts but I notice that a lot of times I start getting frustrated when listening to Matt and I begin to lose my ability to concentrate on the flow of the song. I have to agree with you on the ending of rusty cage, it is amazing. Especially his use of the crash cymbals. ON another note, I think that I would have to agree with Heather's opinion on the differences of opinions that are going around on the list. A little toleration and flexibility go a long way. Maybe you won't enjoy the posts from one person or another but I find that even the people's posts whom I do not enjoy as a whole, still contain gems from time to time. One thing that I am sick of seeing is flaming. If you feel you have to do that, be mature enough about it to keep it off the list and send it privately. - -Stephen ------------------------------ From: ThNrthFace@aol.com Subject: Sonics or Soundgarden? A choice I had to make. & Re:Are You Serious? Dateline Friday, June 14th, 1996. Okay, I go down to the Key Arena to see if I could scrounge up a ticket for the Sonics game later on that evening. After haggling over a price with some unscroupulous individual, I risked arrest and prosecution and purchased a ticket that was marked up well over 750%. So, after some more errands, I finally get home just in time to clean up, check my mail, and get my ass out the door. Well, I found out that tickets for Soungarden were going on sale in about 45 minutes, the exact amount of time it takes for me to get down town. Now, do I risk missing part or most of the game to get the Soungarden tickets, or just go to the game? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! A choice I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. After much turmoil, I ended up going to the game, and didn't go for the SG tickets. :( After what I spent on them, I had to go, I couldn't afford not to go. :( Flame me if you must, but be gentle. :::::holds head down in shame:::: Now, in regards to the ideal that posts not containing all or mostly musical content are not worthwhile. I say, "No, that's where you are wrong." There is nothing wrong with someone sharing their thoughts or comments about a common interest. There are many different people on this planet and on this list, and not all of them have the same viewpoints. Thank God! Life would be mind-nummingly boring if that were the case. If what you want is hordes of drones with no individuality, then find another planet, because the one we live on isn't that way. And, this list is a healthy way of expressing ones ideas, desires, and thoughts with others with similar intrests. What some would consider "drivel", others consider their real feelings and emotion. That's what makes us unique. We all have a common interest (SG, of course), but many different ideas and viewpoints. I do not think that Chris, Ben, Matt, or Kim would expect us to do otherwise. They know that their music reaches many different people from many different walks of life. And that music conveys different meanings to different people. That's the difference of owning a piece of plastic, and owning a piece of music. And two, from what I've seen, the "guys" are well adjusted enough to deal with the various aspects of superstardom. They know that women (and some men) will have fantasies about them. That's all a part of their life now. So Shroom, I say, "Go on, be your bad self. LUST AWAY!" ;) They know full well that Shroom has a right to convey her feelings much in the same way that they publicly share theirs. I'm more than sure they would rather have someone post to a mailing list than on their porch with a 30.06 demanding service. (Don't get any ideas, Shroom) I personally enjoy reading the posts that concern feelings rather than the time used in Rhinosaur for example. Once the time is established, what else is there to say? So, I guess what it all boils down to, is if you don't like a post, STOP READING, and delete it. Then it's gone, and you no longer have to worry about it. Later, Aaron ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: supermainstream & thursday... a very kind list member pointed out that sg HAVE covered 'communication breakdown' and that it is on the boot 'supermainstream'. if anyone here has it and could trade for a copy of it, pls email me privately. ....so if they've done it, they could theoretically perform it on thursday! (HINT HINT HINT HINT) i think i'm going to buy a sonics shirt and throw it onstage. i'm also going to buy a disposable camera and try to get away with a few pix. the tickets (which i will scan for seth) say specifically "NO CAMERAS/TAPES/VIDEO" but ya never know. even if i could get ONE it would be worth it. i'm trying to figure out how i'm going to write a set list ... can't depend on memory. (too old) - --caryn ------------------------------ From: overfloater@bbs.cowland.com Subject: Sleeping with Soundarden AS>To Overfloater: I don't think Kim really HATES industrial music. In fact AS>I've read in a couple of different interviews that he actually LIKES Nine AS>Inch Nails. Yah.... I coulda sworn I read or heard somewhere that he doesn't approve of using samples and keyboards and things.. guess I was mistaken.. oh well :) Or it coulda been like joking, cause Soundgrrden's never friggin serious:) You can never tell when they're joking :) (well, at least I can't.. but that's an intelligence problem with me..) :) _ __ | |/\ ___ _ _ __ ____ ___ ___ | /| . || | || || _ \| . || _| | \| /\| || || | | || /\| | |_|\/ \__/ \_/ |__||_| |_| \__/|_| overfloater@bbs.cowland.com VoteForKevinIn97!TheChampagneCampaign! ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: not hungover any more.... >Shroom, you missed the reason for my post. It was because Bonnie >had said that if Soundgarden could be interviewed only by people from >this Somms list, then they would not have to put up with any "silly" >questions. Can you believe that???? I knew the reason for your post, but I took it as a personal flame against myself and friends. You described the posts that I (and others) make as "utter crap" and "bullshit," as I recall. I love you, too!! ;) >Aha. No. A minority of people are posting a lot. Not 70% of the >list - just 70% of the postings. The people who used to post a lot >{Ross, Blind Dog, Moon, Jamesetta, Little Joe, Steven, Matthew >Souza, Vikki, Kate, where ARE all of you guys??} are now posting >very little, for they can't be bothered anymore. Hmmm... now let's try ONE more rational look at this subject. Say Soundgarden did agree to do an interview exclusively for our list... yes, I'm sure there would be quite a few "silly" questions... but if we "silly" people make up less than 70% of the list, then don't you think that there would be MORE than enough serious questions to make everyone happy? Besides... I've noticed that SG quite often gives "silly" answers to otherwise serious questions. They're total smart-asses, which is yet another reason why I love them so much. >And okay, so that's good for you. After all, before you joined the list >it was nothing, right? I remember you pointed that out to us once before. When, praytell, did I ever say THAT? Please, enlighten me on this one, Carolyn. I'm baffled. Show me where I wrote it, and I will humbly apologize for it. But honestly, I think you're mistaken. Why are you so pissed at me, anyway? What have I done to you? >Amen! And more power to all of us for not being afraid to say what we >feel. >>And yet when Chris wrote what he did (a personal opinion of his), >>Caryn jumped down his throat!! It seems to be okay for a person >>to say one thing, and not for someone else to say another.......... Chris can be a just a BIT insulting with his opinions on occasion, Carolyn. I'm sure even you are aware of that. And as I recall, he was the one who started in on her to begin with. What goes around, comes around... yes? >Yeah, you're right. And besides, I'm not hungover and feeling like shit >anymore. So just pretend I'm not here. Pretend you're not here??!!? Never!! I don't want to argue about all of this stuff, either. CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?!?! Umm... that bit of melodramatics is an example of why I was always elected to do behind the scenes stuff in high school drama class. Heheheh... (The extra one's for you, Carolyn...) Shroom the List Lech "Oh Shroomy, I love it when you nibble on my... " ~ Chris Cornell (Words not necessarily said in that order...) <~~~ my disclaimer ------------------------------ From: GeekGirl@aol.com Subject: Duets >From: oponfam@cnsnet.com >Subject: Duets >I know this is an old subject, but I've been thinking about it since >the thread started and finally came up with an idea. I was listening >to Hole yesterday and I think a Courtney Love/Chris Cornell duet would >be awesome. Of course I don't know how they would get along >personality-wise, but I think they'd sound great. >Kathie What the F**K are you thinking??????? Courtney and Chris!! excuse me while I YACK!!!!!! umm okay, I fell a little better! God if Courtney was the last person left on Earth to do a duet with, I'm sure Chris would'nt EVEN consider such a thing!!Chris and Soundgarden... and hey while I'm on a roll... most ( but not all ) of the bands/singers out there today are above her!!!! This woman has little if no talent at all!! Her voice gets on my nerves!!! I hate that woman!!! And I dont care if I dont even know her... I Don't want too!! I wouldnt even want to be in the same room with her...it's hard enough sharing the planet with her!!! ( okay that was a little extreme.. but you get the point!!) I just can't suppport a woman who had her husband killed, and besides I think of Kurt were still alive today I would still fell the same way about her!!IMHO she's a..________________________________________________________( fill in the blank) DISCLAIMER> I dont like Courtney because she has no talent and she thinks she does and because she thinks that her fame is really her own when it's not!! it's all a continuation of Kurt. I am NOT a huge Nirvana fan so don't get all these ideas!! but I am a fan and I think it's such a tragedy that she put an end to a life because of her greed and selfishness!!!!! Flame away if you must... I could really give a Rat's ass if you do!! you have the email address... WHITEOUT! Dena :)~ Hey how about Courtney and Green Day do a duet...or maybe Courtney and Rancid.... WOW!! where do I come up with these ideas? brilliant I tell you! just brilliant!!..............LAUGHS and LAUGHS!!! ------------------------------ From: GeekGirl@aol.com Subject: PJ and depression > I don't like PJ as much as dear ol' Chris, is that I feel Ed >always sings about victims and being defeated. I am so glad someone else made that point. there were so many times that I wanted to say to say" ED"... ya like I'm on a first name basis with the guy... "hey ed stop playing the victim" I mean ya shit happens to you in life... you either let it get you down amd let it ruin you or you deal with it and move on.....it seems to me that ED has to let go!!! anyhow...I also agree that PJ is depressing!! I cant stand to listen to them for any lenght of time or I'll get depressed...I would also much rather listen to "feel on black days" than "black" anyday!!! with an ounce of pain I weild a ton of rage Dena :)~ ------------------------------ From: GeekGirl@aol.com Subject: it has come to my attention It has come to my attention that my last post may envoke some flaming.. well I guess I brought it on myself, and quite honestly I dont really care. I do have this to say though...Kathie it was not an intentional flame against you..so I am sorry if you are going to take it the wrong way. with that in mind I will go...and watch the mail roll in.. Dena ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: RE: not hungover any more.......but I just HAVE to say hi to my infuriating friend who still loves me (??) >>>Carolyn the lately absent Music Freak is gonna speak out, so flame=20 >me if you dare....... Shroom: >Oooh... a dare!! I just LOVE dares!! Lead on, dear heart... Here I go............. :-) Shroom, you missed the reason for my post. It was because Bonnie had = said that if Soundgarden could be interviewed only by people from this = Somms list, then they would not have to put up with any "silly" = questions. Can you believe that???? Although, I guess that depends on = what she meant by "silly". I thought of "silly" as=20 "Chris, would you please tongue-kiss Dave Navaro (spelling?) for me? - I = just want to cream my pants over you" or "Matt, what would YOU do if you found Chris Cornell lying unconscious in = a field?" but maybe they're just the kind of questions Soundgarden folk love to = answer. [I give up] I KNOW I can use my delete key. And I do! :-) >>>Have a look back over the postings that have been made in the last=20 >two months. 70% of them are filled with "Chris is so sexy" "I want=20 >to see Chris tongue-kiss another guy"....... >let's take a rational look at this for a moment. If 70% of the = posts are CC sexy body oriented, then would it be wrong to assume that a good = majority of the list actually ENJOYS those posts? Well, damn me straight to hell... = I believe that COULD actually be a possibility!! =20 Aha. No. A minority of people are posting a lot. Not 70% of the list = - - just 70% of the postings. The people who used to post a lot {Ross, = Blind Dog, Moon, Jamesetta, Little Joe, Steven, Matthew Souza, Vikki, = Kate, where ARE all of you guys??} are now posting very little, for they = can't be bothered anymore. =20 And okay, so that's good for you. After all, before you joined the list = it was nothing, right? I remember you pointed that out to us once = before. >>>Chris Farley, more power to you for not being afraid to say you don't = like=20 >reading that kind of bullshit either. >Amen! And more power to all of us for not being afraid to say = what we feel.=20 And yet when Chris wrote what he did (a personal opinion of his), Caryn = jumped down his throat!! It seems to be okay for a person to say one = thing, and not for someone else to say another.......... > This is all quite silly, don't you think? Starting yet another = flame war... and with the embers of the last one still glowing. =20 Yeah, you're right. And besides, I'm not hungover and feeling like shit = anymore. So just pretend I'm not here. >- Still love ya, Carolyn!! ;) Cheers all, Carolyn the Maligned Frog Eat the fruit and kiss the snake goodnight.....Soundgarden ------------------------------ From: HIGHTOWERN@Citadel.edu Subject: Re: best ending to a song First off, I would liketo apologize to those of you who received a monstrosity of a message when I tried to reply to one of the comments. I wanted to say something about DOTU. I haven't heard the full CD yet, but from what I have heard, I can definitely say that DOTU is a return to SG's Louder Than Love and Ultramega OK style. The first time I heard "Pretty Noose" I was like "Wait a minute! Is this an old song tha I haven't heard?" The sound of the DOTU is definitely similar to their old albums. Interestingly enough, I heard SG being interviewed on the radio show Modern Rock Live about the new album (by the way, if you haven't listened to that radio show, do it. They have some pretty cool guests sometimes). One of the questions callers kept asking was how did the band compare this album with the older ones. The response was that they don't compare albums. Once an album is finished, they consider it done and over with. I found this answer kind of odd myself. I was thinking "Either these guys are bullshitting us or this was an unconscious thing. But the similarity is too close to be played off as mere coincidence." If any of you have heard DOTU but haven't heard the pre-BMF albums (Screaming Life and FOPP EPs, Louder Than Love, and Ultramega OK, and the SOMMS EP- correct me if I left out anything), then you have a good tast of it. I don't think a SG fan can appreciate BMF, Superunknown, and Down On The Upside without having heard the earlier albums. By the way, here is a question for you fans out there that I have had with a couple of people. Do you think that Badmotorfinger was the most improved album SG has done? To me, there is no bigger difference in style than the one that exists between Ultramega OK and BMF. Comments are welcome. Nick H. ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: New Texas Lolla Date (Finally!!) I was outside early this morning (technically late at night for me), pretending to be a jungle explorer with my hedge trimmers, and wondering where in the hell I was going to see Lolla this summer. Insomnia can be brutal, kiddies. Then, just as the sun was officially up, the newspaper arrived... and in it was an article that announced a new TX date!! (Pay attention, Erin!!) The newest date is going to be in a TINY town called Ferris (population 2200). The site is going to be at Old Fort Dallas, "a privately owned 105-acre dude ranch," on July 25th. This is THE ONLY Southwest date on the updated schedule as of yet. Tickets sale will be announced soon. Wow... and I was hoping the show would be closer to the coast... which would of course mean higher humidity, and an increased chance of seeing Chris half-naked once again. Damn it!! I swear... IT'S A CONSPIRACY!!! Heheheh... Shroomy... jungle explorer and terror of weeds you can't smoke... ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... *** Chris Cornell | |.| |.| |\./| "She drinkin' my JackDaniels |\./| and smokin' all my weed" .\ |\./| /. ~~Andy Wood, MLB \-.\ |\\.//| /.-/ \--./\ |\\.//| /\.--/ \--.| \ |\\.//| / |.--/ \---.|\ |\./| /|.---/ \--.|\ |\./| /|.--/ \ .\ |.| /. / _ -_- \ \\ // / -_- _ - -/_/_/- | | -\_\_\- - /_\ ------------------------------ From: sfox@mailer.fsu.edu (Stephen Fox) Subject: Re: More lolla info... >Hello again, and sorry of this was discussed here before (I've only been >glimpsing at subjects recently.) >1. A local radio station is holding a contest with a prize of seeing >Lolla (and SG) in San Francisco on July 28. I guess that means Laramie, >WY on that date is out. >2. An ad in a local (NE Ohio) freebie rag sez that the Violent Femmes >will be the Special Guest for the July 3 Columbus date (the one I'm going >to.) Although I was hoping they'd have the Cocteau Twins, Cheap Trick, or >even Waylon there, it'll be nice to see them again (IMHO.) What I'm >wondering is, has anyone seen announcements like that for other areas? > Carl >-Carl M Stone--NOT INSANE! IN '96--KSU parks it and locks it, NOT RESPONSIBLE- > Bear Whiz Beer: It's in the water! That's why it's yellow! > -- Firesign Theatre >http://nimitz.mcs.kent.edu/~cstone/ for Lolla.inf,FiresgnThtre,tapetrading,etc > > I was in Philadelphia this weekend, and WDRE was running two great contests. The first was a trip to Seattle to see a SOUNDGARDEN club show before they go on tour. The other was a "Correspondent's Package" where they send you to every Lollapalooza date as a behind the scenes reporter. I didn't win shit, but I sure tried. As a side note, the guest for the Jacksonville, FL show (if it actually happens) is supposed to be Rage Against the Machine. They've been cancelling 'palloza dates around the Southeast, so keep checking to make sure there is a show before you head to one. Great Big Noise, Stephen R. Fox sfox@mailer.fsu.edu ------------------------------ From: HIGHTOWERN@Citadel.edu Subject: Re: best ending to a song On the topic of endings to songs, does anyone else think that the ending to "Pretty Noose" and "Beyond the Wheel" are very similar? I love both of the song endings and recently thought about that. Speaking of "Beyond the Wheel", I would like to name that song for "Best Solo." I may not be the most technical solo ever played by Thayil, but it sure as hell is creative. ------------------------------ From: HIGHTOWERN@Citadel.edu Subject: What about Ben??!! I agree that Matt is one of the greatest drummers ever. His style is orgasmic for some of us. But when you give Matt credit, you have to admit that a good band with a good drummer can't exist without a comparable bass player. In my opinion, Soundgarden has one of the best rhythm sections I have heard. They definitely rank up there with Zeppelin in my book. Those of you who are interested in listening to some good drumming, check out The Aquarium Rescue Unit's "In A Perfect World" album. Good stuff. ------------------------------ From: Gonzo Subject: Re: New Texas Lolla Date (Finally!!) I checked the lolla page this mourning and it list two dates that may be of interest to you.New Orleans,LA at the Tad Gormley Stadium on July 23 and Tucson,AZ at the Pima county Fairgrounds on July 31. Gonzo At 10:33 AM 6/18/96 -0400, you wrote: > I was outside early this morning (technically late at night for me), >pretending to be a jungle explorer with my hedge trimmers, and wondering >where in the hell I was going to see Lolla this summer. Insomnia can be >brutal, kiddies. Then, just as the sun was officially up, the newspaper >arrived... and in it was an article that announced a new TX date!! (Pay >attention, Erin!!) The newest date is going to be in a TINY town called >Ferris (population 2200). The site is going to be at Old Fort Dallas, "a >privately owned 105-acre dude ranch," on July 25th. This is THE ONLY >Southwest date on the updated schedule as of yet. Tickets sale will be >announced soon. Wow... and I was hoping the show would be closer to the >coast... which would of course mean higher humidity, and an increased chance >of seeing Chris half-naked once again. Damn it!! I swear... IT'S A >CONSPIRACY!!! Heheheh... > > Shroomy... jungle explorer and terror of weeds you can't smoke... > > ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... *** Chris Cornell > | > |.| > |.| > |\./| "She drinkin' my JackDaniels > |\./| and smokin' all my weed" > .\ |\./| /. ~~Andy Wood, MLB > \-.\ |\\.//| /.-/ > \--./\ |\\.//| /\.--/ > \--.| \ |\\.//| / |.--/ > \---.|\ |\./| /|.---/ > \--.|\ |\./| /|.--/ > \ .\ |.| /. / > _ -_- \ \\ // / -_- _ > - -/_/_/- | | -\_\_\- - > /_\ > > > > ------------------------------ From: "Limo Wreck" Subject: from today's ATN Soundgarden Takes The Money & Runs For what the guys got paid by Molson, you can buy a lot of brew. This past Saturday, while the Beastie Boys, Smashing Pumpkins and others were playing for free to draw attention to the plight of the Tibetan people, Soundgarden were collecting a check for around $250,000 to play a club date for Molson. The surprised the 400 or so fans in attendance (around 200 contest winners were flown in from across Canada by the beer company; another 200 live in the Vancouver area) witnessed the group's first performance since the release of their excellent hit album, Down On The Upside. The group played the Town Pump Cabaret in Vancouver. Twelve more of these shows, each featuring what Molson calls "one of the biggest bands in the world," will take place this summer. Molson clearly wants the alternarock audience. Last year, you'll recall, they flew 100s of fans to Tutoyaktuk for performances by Hole, Metallica, Moist and Veruca Salt. According to ace reporter Sorelle Saidman, who was one of the few members of the media to attend the show, "the funniest moment came at the end of the night, when Soundgarden singer Chris Cornell inadvertently (I think) thanked Labatts, the rival beer company." Way to go. - -- Jeremy Crocker, A.K.A unGod j_crocke@eos.ncsu.edu http://www4.ncsu.edu/eos/users/j/j_crocke/WWW/home.html "somewhere through a thousand blues a dragonfly descends with just a whisper. i'm lonelier than god, and all my wishes spin the fishes in the air and everyone a different shade of you" - "suicide machine", by Hum ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: heh heh http://www.nwlink.com/~clr/temple.htm ...for those of you sick of the chris cornell posts, i've created a new venue for them. ;-) - --caryn ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: sg and beer... from a canadian friend... - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 14:17:39 -0500 (EST) To: caryn rose Speaking of the Soundgarden list, maybe a few of you members can enlighten me. Here in Canada, Molson is running a contest. Winners get a trip to a bar for a party with other winners then a band comes on. The band is "unknown" until they hit the stage (at least this is the idea) and then SUPRISE it's a big famous band! Well, the first band to do this intimate suprise thing was Soundgarden on June 15th. Now the commercials are hyping the contest and the beer company while Soundgarden's latest single is used as background music to the beer commercial. What I want to know is, how "secret" was this secret Soundgarden show? Where was it? Any reports? And how much was SG paid by the beer company for their appearance and the use of both their name and their song in a beer commercial? Just curious.... - --------- i'd also like to know how much $$ they are getting... i guess sponsorship is their business, but they talked so much in recent interviews about how they don't need more money and they have quite enough money -- so why do a sleazy sponsorship thing? i mean... one thing to play the show, but quite another to hear your music in a beer commercial. hearing 'search and destroy' as background for a nike commercial made my stomach turn, but i can hardly begrudge iggy pop the money. not to mention that the commercial is a hell of a lot cooler than any beer commercial could possibly be. other things that are annoying me: is anyone else getting bombarded from the fan club with press releases about the contest? i had gotten messages daily since friday. also, why the hell do the showbox? why not play the moore theatre -- an *excellent* venue, and where i really thought the show would be -- so you can accomodate fans that are under 21? there isn't a bad seat in the moore, there are *seats* for those who don't need to risk their lives in the pit, and there's space down front for a managable-sized mosh pit -- the best of all worlds, i would say. i saw the pumpkins there in february and it was just great. just some questions... - --caryn ------------------------------ From: "Audrey L. Hillyard" Subject: ATN FYI there is a blurb on the Vancouver show in Addicted to Noise today (June 18th). It's at http://www.addict.com/html/hifi/MNOTW/ . It's not terribly flattering, alluding to the fact that the concert was sponsored by a beer company, and that other bands were donating their time to the Tibetan cause. Does anyone know if the band was approached to participate in the Tibetan Freedom Concert? And what do you think about the band playing a club date for Molson? audrey ------------------------------ Subject: Movin' on up.... From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) >By the way, here is a question for you fans out there that I have had with a >couple of people. Do you think that Badmotorfinger was the most improved album >SG has done? To me, there is no bigger difference in style than the one that >exists between Ultramega OK and BMF. Comments are welcome. > >Nick H. By all means BMF was a big jump IMO (no more H left in me - but allot S).. I have never cared for UltraOK, don't even have it on CD. There is a quality and change to the sound that occurred between these two albums that's amazing.. You can see the progression from UltraOK into LTL, the band becomes tighter, Chris's voices becomes stronger and more controlled. Then with the step up to BMF (addition of Ben - thank you very much), things really start pulling together.. I was hoping DOTU would have one or two really different songs on them. I love the fact that DOTU is very raw rock'n'roll and not as commercial (yes Dark Man I still think this) as Superunknown.. But I wouldn't have minded a throw away cut based on something really different from them.. I would love to hear Chris do a real love song - yes, I enjoy a good love song, candle lit dinners, wild flowers, feather beds, and the taste of sweet wine taken from my lover's lips (got your attention on that one - right). How about Kim doing a good Muddy Waters type "Blues" number. Jamie Standing on her head, making faces, screaming - I'm here, I'm here.. I guess removing one clothes would work better - damn firewalls... ------------------------------ From: Moonsta693@aol.com Subject: It's wonderful I got a question for ya. Is anyone here as pissed as me that there is no way someone under 21 can't go to this show, even if they did get tix.? Was this only ment for their older fans? I guess they just didn't want to be bombarded with screaming teenage girls, but still? This also goes for the fans in NJ. Anyone knows if lolla has a date for NJ? If not, I hope that they boys go on tour in the fall! If anyone needs info on where to pick up a SNL tape, i'm just an E-mail away. Ohh yea, there are two mags. that you might be interested in readin'. If your also a fan of Metallica(there is a snazy pict. of the band and a pic. of Chris on the poster), there is the new Metal Edge out. Another one has pict. you could scan, and a fact sheet about soundgarden. It's the new Circus mag. Just info. you might be interested in. the original preety noose. ------------------------------ From: Moonsta693@aol.com Subject: Re: Movin' on up.... To me, there is a big change between all their albums. From the begining to now, there is a different soundgarden on all of them. I'll take it from the most recent, DOTU. Superunknown was dark and not very much "soundgarden like" But DOTU sounds more like Soundgarden in the BMF days. LTL was their debut to the world, and you can hear the change from that to BMF. There is just some big change that they take, that you really can't explain. ------------------------------ From: ADDC Subject: Re: New Texas Lolla Date (Finally!!) I was coming home from school today when I turned on the radio. They said that at 3:00 they were going to announce some huge concert news. I got home, checked my email, and I saw Shroom's post. About 5 minutes later, the announcer said what Shroom had told us: That Lollapalloza will be moving to that Old Fort Dallas place. Here is some more info. This place is 20 miles south of Downtown Dallas. Tickets will cost 38 bucks, with one dollar going to some charity. They go on sale at noon, this Saturday, I believe. Shroom do you anything more about this location? Anyway, it looks like I will definitely go now. This kind of thing seems to happen only a couple of times in a lifetime so I don't want to blow it. By the way.. A belated congrats to you ,Shroom for managing to get on Rockline. How cool was that? Vincent ------------------------------ From: "Thomas D. Ozbirn" Subject: RE: interesting list stats - ---------- From: caryn rose[SMTP:clr@nwlink.com] Sent: Monday, June 17, 1996 12:55 PM To: satanoscillatemymetallicsonatas Subject: interesting list stats looking at 5 days of digests: 63 list members posted total. people who posted the most: 1) seth [i stopped counting] 2) thomas ozbirn [13 times] 3) blind dog [6] 4)gregg/carolyn (tie) [5] 5) oponfam [4] 6) urbano/greg bensimon/jerm [3] 90% of the posts dealt with sg's music 98% had sg content (the other two were the bulls/sonics [which is tangentially sg] and dthe others were discussions of other music] i really don't know how anyone could say that most of the posts are full of 'chris is so sexy' type posts. reading through the digests on the web site i was amazed again at the depth of the subjects we cover. just fyi. - --caryn <*> wow cool, do i get a prize or something??? a joke ekoj ------------------------------ From: "Thomas D. Ozbirn" Subject: RE: supermainstream & thursday... - ---------- From: caryn rose[SMTP:clr@nwlink.com] Sent: Monday, June 17, 1996 5:19 PM To: the list for "approved" sg fans only Subject: supermainstream & thursday... a very kind list member pointed out that sg HAVE covered 'communication breakdown' and that it is on the boot 'supermainstream'. if anyone here = has it and could trade for a copy of it, pls email me privately. ....so if they've done it, they could theoretically perform it on = thursday! (HINT HINT HINT HINT) i think i'm going to buy a sonics shirt and throw it onstage. i'm also going to buy a disposable camera and try to get away with a few pix. the tickets (which i will scan for seth) say specifically "NO CAMERAS/TAPES/VIDEO" but ya never know. even if i could get ONE it = would be worth it. i'm trying to figure out how i'm going to write a set list ... can't = depend on memory. (too old) - --caryn <*> one problem with those, either it's too dark for the cameras = (colored lights don't seem to go well on them) or the evil people at the = developing places, they will intentionally mess up band photos for some = reason, if you get a good shot (this happened to my cousin) they can and = somtimes do blur the faces, trust me i've seen it and it is incredibly = obvious ps i do know a thing or three about photography=20 ------------------------------ From: stella Subject: Re: best ending to a song At 10:20 AM 6/18/96 -0400, you wrote: First off, I would liketo apologize to those of you who received a monstrosity >of a message when I tried to reply to one of the comments. I wanted to say >something about DOTU. I haven't heard the full CD yet, but from what I have >heard, I can definitely say that DOTU is a return to SG's Louder Than Love and >Ultramega OK style. The first time I heard "Pretty Noose" I was like "Wait a >minute! Is this an old song tha I haven't heard?" The sound of the DOTU is > Dotu like Louder than love? I don't see alot of similarities. Well besides Ty Cobb and Big Dumb Sex using the word Fuck repeatedly. Yeah and I guess PN sounds a little bit like something off LTL. But the other songs like Burden, Overfloater, and T&T...nothing like ltl. The weird feeling I get from DOTU...and I know people will laugh in my face when I say this...some songs (well actually only 2) kinda sound like country or something. I read in a review that Burden sounded like some sweet country song like "Sweet home alabama" and I went back and listened to burden in my headphones and yeah I can kinda hear it. Especially in the begining with the guitar. I duno. ANyways..and whenever I listen to TY COBB, i just want to put on a pair of clogs and some overalls and go chew on some hay. Yee Haw! Stella ------------------------------ From: stella Subject: The Band is perfect the way it is With all this talk about who makes the band what it is..Yeah Matt is an AWESOME drummer and Ben is incredible bassist. But what I want to say is SG is perfect just the way it is. Without Kim they would suck. Without Matt they would suck. Without Ben they would suck. Without Chris they would suck. Maybe suck is too strong of a word but they definetly wouldn't be as successful and incredible as they are together as one group. ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: RE: endings...beginnings...Rusty Cage Outshined wrote: >>my fave ending is still the end of Rusty Cage... the vocals build for = a couple seconds ("I'm gonna break my rusty cage...), then echo off (and = run...) in a few short seconds you're dropped right into Outshined... nothing technically spectacular, just great vocal effects... I agree whole-heartedly. Rusty Cage DOES have a cool ending. AND a = brilliant beginning. Great middle too!! :-) And I think I'll have to = go with the majority vote so far on Rusty Cage for a good song to speed = to. I guess all those things added up equals Rusty Cage is my favourite = Soundgarden song. Me again - this time all smiles, Carolyn the Motor Fuel-injector "Life was short, life was sweet" I was thinking as I hit the street - = Violent Femmes ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: RE: and still a little more on You Am I On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Chris Mackenzie wrote: >>>> You Am I - Hi Fi Way CD - $4.99 CDN Australian members shed some light? (They are an Australian band, I know Carolyn has mentioned them before...) For those who don't know how/why this is SG related, You Am I opened for SG on the second half of the Superunknown tour and will be playing Lollapalooza's second stage this summer during the first half of I'll support Lee and Blind Dog on this one - yes, You Am I are worth = seeing (although like Blind Dog said, they're not much like = Soundgarden). They've done well here. And as told already, when = Soundgarden toured Australia doing the 1994 Big Day Out concerts (about = 33 bands in total in the one day at the one venue over 12 hours - = similar to Lollapoolooza?) they were most impressed with You Am I. Tim = Jeffries (lead singer, You Am I) is interviewed in the Soundgarden = article I sent Seth for his web page - Juice June 1996. Blind Dog wrote: >>anyhow, they are now releasing a new cd called hourly daily,=20 which is supposed to be a bit of a departure from their first album. I = am=20 going to have to buy it next monday Please let me know what it's like, Justin. NEWSFLASH for Vikki, Ross, Matthew Souza: I have almost finished a = 90-minute tape full of Australian bands to send to you (finally) - I've = included a couple of You Am I songs on it. Over and Out now, Carolyn the Mining-engineer Finder (Jackhammer!) I'm on a cloud and I won't come down......Tumbleweed ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 158] ****************************************