From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 17 Jun 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 18:06:18 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Monday, 17 Jun 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: DOTU...LTL Re: DOTU...LTL Fashion Statement? Re: DOTU...LTL best ending to a song best ending to a song .... Pearl Jam comic book? Re:Are you SERIOUS?? Re: Fresh Deadly Roses, etc sleeping to SG bicker, bicker, bicker...with some SG content thrown in Lollapalooza speeding to SG Soundgarden FS Re: half fanclub Re: half fanclub ben stuff digests, contests, official site Are you SERIOUS?? This list represents people who wouldn't ask silly questions? ARRRGGGHHH!!! Suprise Soundgarden Show Sold Out! Re: half fanclub Re: best ending to a song The Cable Guy You Am I Re: The Cable Guy Re: Pearl Jam comic book? reprise RE: half fanclub RE: stand up and everyone will see... RE: .... RE: Are you SERIOUS?? approved list content Re: stand up and everyone will see... Re: Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 14 Jun 1996 i'm an idiot Speeding to SG Re: Are you SERIOUS?? (Oh baby, am I ever...) Re:Drum solos Re: You Am I Re: stand up and everyone will see... Vasant, and uh, stuff.... hello? Blind Date Re: digests, contests, official site Re:Drum solos State of Origin #3, New South Wales beats Queensland!! Clean sweep 3-0 ------------------------------------------------------------ From: stephen napoles Subject: DOTU...LTL Some of the material on DOTU reminds me somewhat of SG's Louder stage. For instance, the first time I heard Tighter and Tighter, my ears perked up because I thought that the CD had suddenly switched to LTL. It sounds a lot to me like some of the Hiro written music on that album, like I Awake or No Wrong No Right. My favorite last song on a SG album has always been Full On. Boot Camp reminds me of that song, especially the beginning, perhaps because they're both brilliant songs. Anyone else notice any similar tunes? - -S- ------------------------------ From: "Limo Wreck" Subject: Re: DOTU...LTL On Jun 15, 3:16pm, stephen napoles wrote: > Subject: DOTU...LTL > > Some of the material on DOTU reminds me somewhat of SG's Louder stage. For > instance, the first time I heard Tighter and Tighter, my ears perked up > because I thought that the CD had suddenly switched to LTL. It sounds a lot > to me like some of the Hiro written music on that album, like I Awake or No > Wrong No Right. My favorite last song on a SG album has always been Full > On. Boot Camp reminds me of that song, especially the beginning, perhaps > because they're both brilliant songs. Anyone else notice any similar tunes? > a lot of the slow, softer, dirty songs off of DotU remind me of "ultramega OK"... especially the wild, no direction solos and chris's perfectly timed screeches... jerm - -- Jeremy Crocker, A.K.A unGod j_crocke@eos.ncsu.edu http://www4.ncsu.edu/eos/users/j/j_crocke/WWW/home.html "somewhere through a thousand blues a dragonfly descends with just a whisper. i'm lonelier than god, and all my wishes spin the fishes in the air and everyone a different shade of you" - "suicide machine", by Hum ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: Fashion Statement? In Friday's digest Caryn wrote: > i' ve been wondering about the spin fashion spread... and i wonder if it > wasn't just what the guys were wearing at the time? I have to agree with you Caryn. When I saw the picture the first thing I thought was that they were poking fun at the pretentiousness of that kind of thing. At least thats what I hope. Kathie P.S. It almost 11pm CT and I haven't gotten Saturday's digest yet. I know Seth is on vacation: hope nothing got screwed up. If anyone else is on the digest and gets this message, could you email me so if I still haven't gotten it I can email Seth. Thanks. ------------------------------ From: erin@planet.eon.net Subject: Re: DOTU...LTL >Some of the material on DOTU reminds me somewhat of SG's Louder stage. For >instance, the first time I heard Tighter and Tighter, my ears perked up >because I thought that the CD had suddenly switched to LTL. It sounds a lot >to me like some of the Hiro written music on that album, like I Awake or No >Wrong No Right. My favorite last song on a SG album has always been Full >On. Boot Camp reminds me of that song, especially the beginning, perhaps >because they're both brilliant songs. Anyone else notice any similar tunes? Yeah.. That's exactly what I thought the 1st time I heard DOTU, actually.. Erin ------------------------------ From: erin@planet.eon.net Subject: best ending to a song I don't know who it was or what song they said, but someone was talking about the best ending to a SG song.. I like the ending to Ty Cobb, personally. What does everyone else think? Erin ------------------------------ From: overfloater@thenexus.com Subject: best ending to a song ER>I don't know who it was or what song they said, but someone was talking ER>about the best ending to a SG song.. I like the ending to Ty Cobb, ER>personally. What does everyone else think? ER>Erin i like slaves and bulldozers cause chris is screaming his head off and hten he goes "YEAH!" in this weird voice a few times..:) ------------------------------ From: overfloater@thenexus.com Subject: .... I guess I should have read this Spin interview more closely before:) I just noticed this: "the industrial crackle of "Never The Machine Forever" reflects Thayil's appreciation for Nine Inch Nails....." I thought Kim HATED industrial music.. using keyboards and effects and other samplers to get sounds... Did anyone else hear this? ------------------------------ From: Heather Aston Subject: Pearl Jam comic book? Someone mentioned a Pearl Jam comic book (has a story about Susan Silver, so it is SG related) Where would I get it? ------------------------------ From: stephen napoles Subject: Re:Are you SERIOUS?? If you look at it from the other point of view though, although there is present the type of praise which you and quite possibly the members of SG would find repulsive, you do as well, find a lot of the sincere and musical appreciation of the band. You would need to look no further than the current topics of b-sides, guitar technique, including the emotional and techincal merits of Kim's work on DOTU, as well as a discussion of the element of the 'love song' in SG's music. Where else would one be able to go to get this far into the depth of the music of the band. How many average fans of SG even are aware of the presense of the weatlh of b-sides that exist. Would Joe Q. Listener on rockline know that SG has never written an actual sloppy love song like so many other rockbands, especially considering the fact that A&M originally tried to push SG with all the hair metal trendy acts? I'm not the type to flame anyone so I hope that you can just look at the list in more than one aspect. Besides, like it or not, there is a lot of sincerity in Shroom's posts as well, and like it or not, there is a sexual as well as a musical aspect to any musical act that ever existed. I don't think that this would be a sincere list if that wasn't expressed as well and you could be sure that every member in SG is aware of that, love it or hate it. - -Stephen ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Fresh Deadly Roses, etc From: "Matthew Lawrence" > That's it.... > does anyone else think the interlude/break thingie in never named is > reminiscient of Sub Pop Rock City (the beginning and talking parts)? Just > wondering > YES!!!!! I knew I heard that before, OF COURSE. I have to go and listen to Sub Pop Rock City now, so I can see if they are actually the same or just similar. Matt ------------------------------ Subject: sleeping to SG From: "Matthew Lawrence" I often sleep to SG, but maybe I can only do that because my stereo is too quiet. There's something about distorted guitars that sort of sends me off to sleep.. Nirvana is absolutely the best to fall asleep to, in my opinion. Matt ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: bicker, bicker, bicker...with some SG content thrown in Hey Listers! some general comments: Bickering Listers: (with PPP connections) 2 words, MAIL FILTERING. If you have some dough ($89.95), the best email program (IMHO) is Eudora Pro 2.2 The filter system for email is very simple and powerful. You can send specific users comments right to your trash file! Or you can send those pesky unsubscribe emails into the crapper! I haven't read some people comments (guess who) in months...It's been bliss :-) Those of you with no cash...you can download a GREAT EMAIL PROGRAM - Pegasus Mail. I don't remember the URL, but it's listed in Yahoo. It contains the same filter capacities as Eudora. Isn't censorship great?!! Bickering Listers: (w/o a PPP connection) If you cant FILTER these unwanted ideas via mechanical means...you'll need lots of tolerance and a thick skin. Good Luck. I guess you could say that the filter tool is similar to a drug that masks (todays) reality. Interesting concept. The Tabloid Culture that rose from the 80's is widely accepted in todays society. I think it will always exist because cheap sensationalism is just so damn appealing. We'll have to learn to deal with it because it's not going to go away..... Soundgarden Stuff: Favorite B-sides: (in no order) Beyond The Wheel (Live) - Not only is it a great version, but I was at the show! Kyle Petty, Son of Richard - Great title, Great song. I Don't Care About You - I don't... On the topic of speeding (driving) to SG...When I head to my summer home (LOL :-), I travel South on Rt. 62 (Bailey Ave) in Buffalo. I find that Badmotorfinger is the absolute perfect album to listen to. The songs form a soundtrack to the existing Buffalo scenery. "Rusty Cage" is perfect as I race to get out of the high crime section of town. "Room a Thousand Years Wide" starts just as I start driving by the burned out and deserted warehouse district of South Buffalo...very Mad Max'ish. To make it a perfect scenario, Buffalo would have to build some tunnels when I get to "Jesus Christ Pose". I always thought of the opening wall of noise as the beginning tunnel ride to hell. As sort of the 90's response to the Byrd's above air anthem "Eight Miles High". The Byrd's drug induced flower power ditty may have wanted to take you to heaven, but SG's JCP takes you to hell...neat. Steve ------------------------------ From: pip@algonet.se (Anders Hallqvist) Subject: Lollapalooza Hi there somm's freak's! I've just read in a Swedish paper that there's a new Swedish band called FIRESIDE that will tour with Soundgarden on Lollapalooza. I just wanted to tell you guy's CHECK THEM OUT they are great! i'll promise you won't be disapointed. well that's all for me, Bye, @ndy ------------------------------ From: erin@planet.eon.net Subject: speeding to SG I love this.. All these people telling where they love to speed (yeah, I know, I did it too). I guess we just have to hope that there are no cops on this list, then.. Or if there are, we have to hope that they'll let fellow SG freaks off the hook. Erin ------------------------------ From: iawake@ix.netcom.com (Chris (SGardnGrl)) Subject: Soundgarden FS Hey, I just thought that I would let you guys know first, that I have a couple doubles of SG stuff that I want to sell...I found them and picked them up just in case anyone wants them they are: Soundgarden 7" SUB POP from: Collectors Singles Club, "Room A Thousand Years Wide/ H.I.V. Baby A collectors must! $15.00 Soundgarden (Promo CD Gatefold) My Wave $5.00 ------------------------------ From: cynsir@village.ios.com Subject: Re: half fanclub and didn't Ben also play in NIRVANA circa 1988? ------------------------------ Subject: Re: half fanclub From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) > and didn't Ben also play in NIRVANA circa 1988? I'm not 100% sure, but I believe Ben was a back up and roadie for Nirvana, but he never got to play with them... Ben was in the Seattle band March of Crimes with Stone Gossard.. BTW - Wasn't Matt in a band called Skin Yard with one of the members of Pearl Jam?? Jamie ------------------------------ From: "Limo Wreck" Subject: ben stuff On Jun 16, 2:21pm, Jamesetta Simpson wrote: > Subject: Re: half fanclub > > and didn't Ben also play in NIRVANA circa 1988? > > > I'm not 100% sure, but I believe Ben was a back up and roadie for Nirvana, > but he never got to play with them... Ben was in the Seattle band March of > Crimes with Stone Gossard.. true.. i have heard that Ben never played a not with nirvana. as far as March of Crimes goes, i think stone was asked to join, but opted not too. > > BTW - Wasn't Matt in a band called Skin Yard with one of the members of > Pearl Jam?? Matt was in Skin Yard, but i don't believe anyone from that band ended up in Pearl Jam - -- Jeremy Crocker, A.K.A unGod j_crocke@eos.ncsu.edu http://www4.ncsu.edu/eos/users/j/j_crocke/WWW/home.html "somewhere through a thousand blues a dragonfly descends with just a whisper. i'm lonelier than god, and all my wishes spin the fishes in the air and everyone a different shade of you" - "suicide machine", by Hum ------------------------------ Subject: digests, contests, official site From: seth hello all, just checking in from new york, hope everyone's doing well. as those of you on the digest list have probably figured out by now, the digests will arrive whenever i get a chance to log in. hopefully, they will arrive somewhat regularly for the next week, but if you don't get one, it probably just means i haven't done it, not that you've been unsubscribed. congrats to those who won tickets for the seattle show. i don't even have web access with anything except lynx here, so i can't check out the contest or, for that matter, any part of the official site. needless to say, i'm eager to see the changes they made. i imagine many of you entered the "name the official site" contest a couple of months back -- but it seems that they've decided to call it just "soundgarden" (as mr. mackenzie pointed out, i believe). i'd be interested to hear what people suggested -- i know there were entries like "kim thayil's beard" and "big dumb site." i got email that says there's an exclusive audio interview on the official site now. is this true? anyone want to transcribe it? adios. seth ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: Are you SERIOUS?? This list represents people who wouldn't ask silly questions?? BLAH Okay, I've had enough. I'm hungover as hell, feel like shit, have been = trying to get through old Somms postings, and I can finally take it no = more. Carolyn the lately absent Music Freak is gonna speak out, so = flame me if you dare............. Bonnie wrote: >>Since Matt's been checking out the list, wouldn't it be great if they would do a chat, or picked a time to be on the list with us? That way, they wouldn't have to deal with silly questions. They could converse with fans who know more about them and their music than the average brain dead on the on-line mediums, etc. (NOT including those of you who participated or tried to.) Plus, they would be in total control of what they said and doing the typing themselves. Sigh, I guess it could be a dream, just like SG playing a concert just for us list members. Never give up hope! If you're reading Matt...what do you think? We are SERIOUS fans. Bonnie, you may be a serious fan. In fact, most of us might be. But to = suggest that if Soundgarden were to talk with the list they would not = have to deal with silly questions.....ARE YOU SERIOUS?? Have a look = back over the postings that have been made in the last two months. 70% = of them are filled with "Chris is so sexy" "I want to see Chris = tongue-kiss another guy".......UTTER CRAP!! Typical teeny-bopper = groupie worship-the-musicians-not-appreciate-the-music type of talk. = EXACTLY the kind of talk the guys from Soundgarden (so they've said in = interviews) don't give a fig about! Chris Farley, more power to you for not being afraid to say you don't = like reading that kind of bullshit either. [sigh] Starting to feel that there aren't many left on this list who appreciate = the music for the music itself............ Carolyn the Mean Fucker Steal the warm wind, tired friend; times are gone for honest men - = Soundgarden ------------------------------ From: Bryan Blumklotz Subject: ARRRGGGHHH!!! Suprise Soundgarden Show Sold Out! To All>>> I get this really niffty e-mail yesterday... it states: >SOUNDGARDEN >SEATTLE BENEFIT SHOW > >BEFORE SOUNDGARDEN LEAVES FOR THIS SUMMER'S LOLLAPALOOZA TOUR THEY ARE >PLAYING ONE VERY SPECIAL SHOW FOR SEATTLE. > >PROFITS FROM THIS EVENT WILL BE DONATED TO SEVERAL LOCAL SEATTLE CHARITIES >JAM PAC / WMIC, PEDIATRIC AIDS AND SHARE WHEEL. The show is June 20, 1996 in Seattle and it will only admit about 800 people... Problem was the e-mail hit my box about 3 hours before tickets went on sale Friday (and I was at work, grrrrrr!). I said fine... maybe I still have a chance tomarrow... . NOPE! Garth Brooks fans overload the lines for tickets and all I get is "The Circut Is Busy, Please Call Again Later". By the time I could get through it had sold out... . Well I dream about winning the free tickets off this site: ( http://imusic.com ). The are going to fly whoever wins to the show. Damn, damn, damn... I could have been there... I only live 3 hours away in Portland, Oregon... DAMN, DAMN, DAMN!!!!!! Saracen AKA Bryan ------------------------------ From: overfloater@thenexus.com Subject: Re: half fanclub JS>> and didn't Ben also play in NIRVANA circa 1988? JS>I'm not 100% sure, but I believe Ben was a back up and roadie for Nirvana, JS>but he never got to play with them... Ben was in the Seattle band March of JS>Crimes with Stone Gossard.. JS>BTW - Wasn't Matt in a band called Skin Yard with one of the members of JS>Pearl Jam?? yep but i dont think anyone from pearl jam was in skin yard. the singer of gruntruck however was in that band. ------------------------------ From: e9328995@student.uq.edu.au (John Grieves) Subject: Re: best ending to a song At 22:08 15/06/96 -0500, overfloater@thenexus.com wrote: >ER>I don't know who it was or what song they said, but someone was talking >ER>about the best ending to a SG song.. I like the ending to Ty Cobb, >ER>personally. What does everyone else think? Best ending to any Soundgarden song for mine is that of Black Hole Sun...the chorus reverts to the 6/4 section of the song, Kim's guitar doing whaling bends, before one single bar of the familiar riff from the guitar solo, and the final chords. It's the final chords that do it for me...the original guitar sound (the simple G5 chord) fading out to be replaced by the sound of discordant echoes and feedback, the feeling that the song doesn't want to be resolved so simply, capping off a wonderful song... Okay, so I'm biased...it's one of my favourites! Jackhammer. ------------------------------ From: jonesee@hargray.com (Kelly Jones) Subject: The Cable Guy Hey. I just came back from seeing The Cable Guy. I won't comment on the movie, but a friend of Matthew Broderick's character was wearing an Soundgarden t-shirt! He said, "Man, ready to go to the show?" or something like that. A SG show? I just thought that was funny and couldn't share w/ anyone who cared because I was w/ my parents. bye Kelly ------------------------------ From: Chris Mackenzie Subject: You Am I I was checking out the delete bin at a local record store and stumbled across a (two) pretty cool find(s). You Am I - Hi Fi Way CD - $4.99 CDN You Am I - Sound As Ever CD - $4.99 CDN I thought it looked to be a pretty good deal so I picked 'em up. Right now I'm listening to "Hi Fi Way" and it is a pretty cool album, reminicent of Hater/Matthew Sweet, a little bit Soungardenish in places... I have yet to hear "Sound as Ever", but there's a big sticker on it that says "ARIA AWARD WINNER", could the Australian members shed some light? (They are an Australian band, I know Carolyn has mentioned them before...) For those who don't know how/why this is SG related, You Am I opened for SG on the second half of the Superunknown tour and will be playing Lollapalooza's second stage this summer during the first half of the tour. Check 'em out! - - Chris Mackenzie ------------------------------ From: jonesee@hargray.com (Kelly Jones) Subject: Re: The Cable Guy >JO>Hey. >JO>I just came back from seeing The Cable Guy. I won't comment on the movie, >JO>but a friend of Matthew Broderick's character was wearing an Soundgarden >JO>t-shirt! He said, "Man, ready to go to the show?" or something like that. >JO>A SG show? >JO> I just thought that was funny and couldn't share w/ anyone who cared >JO>because I was w/ my parents. >JO>bye >JO>Kelly > >really? cool, wich shirt? It's black w/ the Superunknown cover-image on the front. All you can see of it is the middle of the image and "oundga" or something above it. so it's not that obvious, but cool to fans that know. ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: Pearl Jam comic book? At 01:42 AM 6/16/96 EDT, Heather Aston wrote: >Someone mentioned a Pearl Jam comic book (has a story about Susan Silver, so >it is SG related) Where would I get it? that was me... it's *REALLY* old... there was only one issue, and is a 'collectors item' -- i bought mine at a record show, but i have to say that i hadn't seen it before or since. try goldmine or other record shows/collector stores in your area or in nyc. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: rea47935@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu (Rick Agrait) Subject: reprise I always wondered about this..and it probably has a really stupid answer that I haven't realized. But how come there's a (Reprise) after Full On? On my breeders 'last splash' CD it has something similar song #5 is roi and song #15 is roi (reprise). anyone know the meaning of this? - -hasswipee p.s. if you want to flame me, do if off the list. ------------------------------ From: "Thomas D. Ozbirn" Subject: RE: half fanclub - ---------- From: cynsir@village.ios.com[SMTP:cynsir@village.ios.com] Sent: Sunday, June 16, 1996 12:24 PM To: Limo Wreck Cc: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: Re: half fanclub and didn't Ben also play in NIRVANA circa 1988? <*> he was a roadie for awhile but was never officially in the band, but supposedly they thought about after jason (everman??) ------------------------------ From: "Thomas D. Ozbirn" Subject: RE: stand up and everyone will see... - ---------- From: John Grieves[SMTP:e9328995@student.uq.edu.au] Sent: Friday, June 14, 1996 12:34 PM To: The Garden Subject: Re: stand up and everyone will see... My number one solo would be Black Hole Sun, for it's addition to the feel of the song...I feel it really clutters the song, adds to the intensity and emotion - the solo seems to pass with a flurry, but to look at the supporting guitar tab, you know that Kim is an amazing guitarist! Jackhammer. <*> yeah he has that zappa type thing where it's so far from conventional playing it makes my fingers get confused ------------------------------ From: "Thomas D. Ozbirn" Subject: RE: .... - ---------- From: overfloater@thenexus.com[SMTP:overfloater@thenexus.com] Sent: Saturday, June 15, 1996 11:15 PM To: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: .... I guess I should have read this Spin interview more closely before:) I just noticed this: "the industrial crackle of "Never The Machine Forever" reflects Thayil's appreciation for Nine Inch Nails....." I thought Kim HATED industrial music.. using keyboards and effects and other samplers to get sounds... Did anyone else hear this? <*> where in the world did they get off calling that "industrial" ??? i = thought the generic meaning behind it meant it had to have samples and = repeated shit, never just has a band playing ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: RE: Are you SERIOUS?? Stephen Napoles responded to a posting of mine: >>......you do as well, find a lot of the sincere and musical appreciation of the band. You would need to look no further than the current topics of b-sides, guitar technique, including the emotional and techincal merits of Kim's work on DOTU, as well as a discussion of the element of the 'love song' in SG's music. Where else would one be able = to go to get this far into the depth of the music of the band. Stephen, it is because of those sort of interesting posts you mentioned = above that I like this list still. Yes, I agree, our mailing list DOES = have postings that are not of the (as I wrote in my original post), = "typical teeny-bopper groupie = worship-the-musicians-not-appreciate-the-music type of talk". However, I did say that about 70% of our posts ARE filled with stuff = like that. My point was, how can someone say Soundgarden would be = guaranteed not to be asked silly questions from our mailing list, when = so many (not all - like Stephen pointed out there have been some really = good threads of late) of our postings are pure drivel?? Me again, Carolyn the Murky Filth I can't get any lower; still I feel I'm sinking - Soundgarden ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: approved list content Following extensive audio review and evaluation of the latest release from the band, once can clearly detect various and sundry references that evoke ancient and/or biblical themes. Additionally, many of Mr. Thayil's solos are reminiscent of pre-Georgian monastic choir sonatas documented from the time of St. Columbine. Neither of these instances are unintentional, as these musical and lyrical passages were foreshadowed in much of the group's early compositions. did you enjoy that? (did you even understand it?) you don't like the posts, don't read them. but **NO ONE** on this list has the right to judge anyone's love of this band and this music. i happened to be lucky enough on friday to have heard about the tickets and to have been in a financial and professional position that allowed me to run out of my office, grab $50 out of the cash machine and run to ticketmaster. all that makes me is LUCKY. *not* a "better fan". lucky i'm 21 and can get in the venue, lucky i live in seattle, lucky i have a job that pays me enough that i didn't have to choose between the tickets and milk for my kids, lucky that i have a position that allows me to say 'going now'. the guy on the other side of town who couldn't afford the $$ and couldn't leave his job without risking being fired -- he's not less of a soundgarden fan than i am. i'm just really fucking lucky and i thanked the goddess the whole way home and will probably keep thanking her until the show is over. my legs shook from the minute i got off the bus near ticketmaster and i didn't breathe normally until i got on the line. i **cried** when i got those tickets in my hand. quite literally shed tears in public. i didn't cry because i'm going to be able to see chris cornell with his shirt off, fer chrissakes. i cried because music is the one thing that keeps me alive each day and i view soundgarden (and the other bands that make up my core being) as one of the many blessings that i have. i challenge anyone here to look me in the eye and tell me that i'm not a real fan, or i'm a superficial fan, or that i don't love the band for the 'right reasons' (whatever the fuck those may be -- i'd like to see your rule book, please?) i'm not a better fan than anybody here, i'm not a lesser fan than anybody here. we are all soundgarden fans. let us try to respect the ways that each of us choose to express that and be thankful that we have a common forum in which to do so. i got on line on friday behind a fellow somms-ter and it was just amazing to be able to spend that agonizing waiting time talking a mile a minute with someone i hadn't met or spoken to or even exchanged email with until that moment -- our common bond being the band and the mailing list. so thank you to seth for providing the forum, and thanks to the many of you who participate in this community in the true spirit of sharing the music. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: stand up and everyone will see... At 03:34 AM 6/15/96 +1000, John Grieves wrote: >>what do you fellow sommsters >>feel kim's best solo is? > >THAT is such a difficult question!! Problem is that Kim's guitar solos are >so cohesive and deceptively simple [snip] when i first saw this one come through, my first thought was that the problem with kim's guitar solos is that they are so much part of the song that they almost do not stand out as solos. unless you are a musician who is going to listen to the songs specifically for that, they don't stand out as Big Rock Solos. which is the whole point, i think, no? ;-> guitar solos, drum solos -- all anachronisms. but i'd love to see matt take one just for the hell of it. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 14 Jun 1996 hi todd, we got tickets too, as did andrea p. (who was on the list but had to unsub for the weekend). what time are you getting on line? i work right around the corner and can luckily get out whenever i want. my boyfriend gets off around 3:30 so he was going to get on line right around then... i'm thinking that 4 is early enough, but who knows. on the other hand, the showbox is so small that even if we're at the backof the room we'd still be closer than we'd be at lolla... i'm also thinking about making makeshift SOMMS tshirts -- i asked seth to send me the font for the 'logo' and thought maybe we could just go to kinko's and get shirts made. it'd be cool i think... lemme know if you're interested. anyway, if you want to coordinate the line thing, or want a shirt, or want to meet up, whatever, let me know! - --caryn ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: i'm an idiot (/me waves to chorus of people going, 'we KNOW that already, caryn') sorry about that i did NOT see somms in the return address field ;-( oh well ------------------------------ From: Adrian Alcock Subject: Speeding to SG To all you speed freaks... SUCKED IN!!!! :) I guess I must be lucky. The times that I have gone driving (in friends' cars of course) I've always seemed to catch traffic just before the speed traps. However. Just this Saturday night gone, I did manage to get a beat up Ford Laser out to about 120 in a 60 (kmh) zone just by listening to Ty Cobb. I find though, that the all time best speeding song must be the extended remix of Jesus Built My Hotrod by Ministry. But if you really want to scare your friends, get out onto a tight twisty dirt road, throw in some Vivaldi and take a friend for a spin. I like "Spring". There's just something about listening to a bit of string symph whilst heading sideways towards a collection of trees at about 80... Another neat trick is to get your parents to notice your collection of Hayduke books then see you reading "The Terrorists Handbook" whilst listening to Blow Up The Outside World." They ask all these kool questions like "are you feeling okay?" and "Where did we go wrong?" Hmmmm. Oh well. Got 2 exams this week so I should stop stalling and actually get some study done. Be well. Oh and just one more thing. (Not SG) What does Andy Wood sing near the end of Gentle Groove? It sounds like something about jellybabies or something. Whats more, it's been bothering me for like 2 years now, so any ideas? L8rs - Wanna show you something like the joy inside my heart - Seems I been living in the Temple of the Dog. ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: Are you SERIOUS?? (Oh baby, am I ever...) >Carolyn the lately absent Music Freak is gonna speak out, so flame >me if you dare....... Oooh... a dare!! I just LOVE dares!! Lead on, dear heart... >Have a look back over the postings that have been made in the last >two months. 70% of them are filled with "Chris is so sexy" "I want >to see Chris tongue-kiss another guy".......UTTER CRAP!! Typical >teeny-bopper groupie worship-the-musicians-not-appreciate-the-music >type of talk. Hmmm... seems like SOMEONE forgot how to use their delete button. As I recall, we had settled this issue a few months back. I guess not all of us learn the first time around. Utter crap? So nice of you to say so... but let's take a rational look at this for a moment. If 70% of the posts are CC sexy body oriented, then would it be wrong to assume that a good majority of the list actually ENJOYS those posts? Well, damn me straight to hell... I believe that COULD actually be a possibility!! Teeny-bopper groupie worship-the-musicians-not-appreciate-the-music type of talk? That's funny! Actually, I get a big kick out of the whole "how dare you think about Chris' nipples and not the guitar chords while he's running around shirtless!!" attitude. Carolyn, darlin'... I would have thought that everyone would have been aware of this by now, but I'll say it again... all of us have different reasons for being on this list. You enjoy discussing the music; I enjoy discussing the music (a little), and other interesting stuff (such as CC's sexy body). As to the whole music side, I get bored with everyone overanalyzing the lyrics... and as I'm not musically gifted, I can't really follow the technical aspects of the list. So there you go... two different people... two different opinions... and two different types of posts. Keeps things interesting for all involved, wouldn't you say? >EXACTLY the kind of talk the guys from Soundgarden (so they've said >in interviews) don't give a fig about! I'm sure I could dig out a few interviews in which Chris states that he doesn't really care for people overanalyzing his lyrics, too. Now that doesn't seem to be stopping anyone from doing it. So why should I (or anyone else) stop discussing the sexual and other interesting aspects of Soundgarden, just because the guys don't like it? We shouldn't. And I most certainly won't stop. (Notice please, that the posts have not been overly graphic.) Yes, I respect Chris' opinions... but unless the man (or his wife) contacts ME personally and says "Shroom, quit talking about my sexy body!!", then I'm going to keep on as I always have. Again... might I stress the utter convenience of the DELETE button? Such a handy device... >Chris Farley, more power to you for not being afraid to say you don't like >reading that kind of bullshit either. Amen! And more power to all of us for not being afraid to say what we feel. In fact, at this particular moment, I personally feel like saying, "That new cover of Spin magazine is HOT!! Dare I say that it is possibly THE greatest picture of the band ever taken? Wet dream material if I've ever seen it. And, (can you believe it?!?) Chris even has his shirt on!! How grand!! Kudos to the photographer on doing such a groovy job!!" Oh my, I feel SO much better now... >Starting to feel that there aren't many left on this list who appreciate >the music for the music itself............ Hmmm... can you please explain what "appreciating the music for the music" means? If I announced that I find the song Boot Camp intensely erotic, would that constitute appreciation of the music? If that's what you're seeking, then I'm sure I could accommodate you with a detailed explanation of my feelings on it... practically note for note. Discussion of the music... isn't that what 'everyone' wants? ;) This is all quite silly, don't you think? Starting yet another flame war... and with the embers of the last one still glowing. Well kiddies, I'm here to defend myself and my beliefs... so anyone else who wishes to comment, please feel free to do so. Free speech, and all that. The ever incorrigible Shroom girl - - Still love ya, Carolyn!! ;) "Hey Shroom... Dave and I will be waiting for you in the hot tub. Hurry, or we'll be forced to start without you..." ~ Chris Cornell (Words not necessarily said in that order...) <~~~ my disclaimer ------------------------------ From: stephen napoles Subject: Re:Drum solos In response to Caryn's thoughts on Kim and Matt's solos, I can see her point about Kim being that I do not play guitar. However, on the other hand, when she mentioned that Matt should roll off a solo or two, I feel he often does, his fills are so technically amazing. He has to be one of the best finesse drummers in the rock field today. I've been playing the skins for about 5 years and I still shudder when I listen to SG after Ultramega. Matt is so innovative, he always knows the right cymbal to use or substitute for an ordinary snare hit. I've heard musicians in the past say that SG tends to be simple but my response is always that they should listen to Matt. So I guess that Kim's solos also stand out if you are familiar with the guitar, the same way Matt's playing is an opus to me because I'm familiar with the drums. Some of my favorite songs from a drumming perspective: Ugly truth Rusty cage Mind Riot (I'm positive he grows a third and fourth arm during the chorus) JCP TDITTL Let me drown Show Me (It's brilliant how he waits till the end of the fourth note to hit his snare) Spoonman Pretty noose Burden in my hand to name a few.....Stephen ------------------------------ From: ar303921@student.uq.edu.au (DEFsonic) Subject: Re: You Am I Hey ya, Great to hear you picked up You am I!! They are very good :) >have yet to hear "Sound as Ever", but there's a big sticker on it that says >"ARIA AWARD WINNER", could the Australian members shed some light? (They are an >Australian band, I know Carolyn has mentioned them before...) ARIA stands for Australian Record Industry Awards. I think You am I won best alternative band for sound as ever. They had the best accpetance speech for that award tho :) Walked up and basically said 'What the fuck is alternative, we didn't know we played that, seeya' :) was cool. Seeing as all the old winners didn't win that year and a whole stack of new talent that was in the 'alternative' section came up and won everything. >For those who don't know how/why this is SG related, You Am I opened for SG on >the second half of the Superunknown tour and will be playing Lollapalooza's >second stage this summer during the first half of the >tour. Check 'em out! > Yeah, make sure everyone going to Lolla checks out You Am I on the 2nd stage, they are an awesome band live, really go off. Plus you won't get too many other chances to see them I wouldn't think. The USA being a big tour for Aust bands and they don't go that offten. Side note: Seth do you have a scan of the posters with Soundgarden/You am I? I got one around somewhere have to send it. _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ SONIC E-mail ar303921@student.uq.edu.au Turn it UP and Play it LOUD!! Let the blood rush to your head!! CD I'm listening to this week: Been too busy, haven't checked into the CD listening department. 2 weeks and the cd of the week will be back :) ------------------------------ Subject: Re: stand up and everyone will see... From: "Matthew Lawrence" > when i first saw this one come through, my first thought was that the > problem with kim's guitar solos is that they are so much part of the song > that they almost do not stand out as solos. unless you are a musician who > is going to listen to the songs specifically for that, they don't stand out > as Big Rock Solos. which is the whole point, i think, no? ;-> On Superunknown that is very much the case.. But the DOTU and BMF solos stand out a lot more.. > > guitar solos, drum solos -- all anachronisms. but i'd love to see matt take > one just for the hell of it. I heard him play a solo at the end of Head Down.. :) It was pretty bloody cool :) Matt ------------------------------ From: ~Flutter Girl~ <76345.3722@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Vasant, and uh, stuff.... Sommsters, I, like Shroom, have gotten slightly behind in my mail (I *am* going to write you Kathie ). So, to all who are wondering where the hell I went, I'm here, trying to catch up. Ok, Vasant wrote a very well done post about the Soundgarden/Smashing Pumpkins issue. I had a similar experience with Pearl Jam, don't get me wrong, I really like Pearl Jam, but I could never put my finger on why I just didn't get totally into them. Until yesterday. My stupid boyfriend got home from vacation on Saturday and I went over to his house to see him and he had bought The Garden Grows, Fell On Black Days compass (?) pack w/ Girl U Want and Motorcycle Loop on it, and Supermotorfinger--that limited edition box set with redoen artwork and She Likes Surprises. Anyway, I was flipping out and getting all excited a/b them and was wondering why he wasn't too-- these are really cool things and he wasn't happy about them. I asked him what the hell was wrong, and he's all, "Well, Soundgarden's ok, but Pearl Jam's my favorite band. I got these just to have them." My mouth dropped. First, he knows how much I love SG, and that I would have killed to have this kind of stuff. And he just bought them for his collection. Secondly, he could have spent his money on PJ stuff for himself and gotten the other stuff for someone who would die to have it and I could have just paid him back. But noooo, he had to piss me off instead by holding them just outside of my grip. Am I being stupid about this??? Doesn't it piss you guys off when you see ppl who don't like the band half as much as you get cool stuff for the sole purpose of showing it off? Anyway, the reason (one of them) that I don't like PJ as much as dear ol' Chris, is that I feel Ed always sings about victims and being defeated. I for one, don't *feel* like a victim. I have bad days sure, but so does everyone else. When I have a bad day, I would rather be cheered by songs like FOBD and BUTOW that correctly harbor those feelings rather than wallowing is hopeless apathy with Indifference. Make sense? PJ just depresses me too much, and Ed's games with the media are very annoying. I'd really like to hear that new CD, instead of waiting for years until he decides he's ready. Anyway, I'll shut up now, I've got things to do. See you guys. And thanks for understanding. Luv, ~Flutter Girl~ ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: hello? Anyone out there? I haven't gotten any SOMMS mail all morning. Seth, did you get mad and unsubscribe me from the list without saying anything? ;) It's probably just AOL's stupid mail service again. Feel my pain, kiddies... Shroomy ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... *** Chris Cornell | |.| |.| |\./| "She drinkin' my JackDaniels |\./| and smokin' all my weed" .\ |\./| /. ~~Andy Wood, MLB \-.\ |\\.//| /.-/ \--./\ |\\.//| /\.--/ \--.| \ |\\.//| / |.--/ \---.|\ |\./| /|.---/ \--.|\ |\./| /|.--/ \ .\ |.| /. / _ -_- \ \\ // / -_- _ - -/_/_/- | | -\_\_\- - /_\ ------------------------------ From: Greg Fox Subject: Blind Date I am not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but I heard this past weekend that SG played Molsons Blind Date in Vancouver! I was wondering if they would. Soundgarden just seems like the tyoe of band that would be involved in that sort of thing. I wish I had even entered the contest. Greg ------------------------------ From: Eric Gardner Subject: Re: digests, contests, official site > > i got email that says there's an exclusive audio interview on the > official site now. is this true? anyone want to transcribe it? > These are just the comments from the Into the Upside cd, I believe. If you count the chatter over the beginning of Applebite, I think there is about 13 minutes worth of commentary, versus the 8 or so minutes worth of the same interview that is on a couple of the PN singles. (don't have either of 'em with me, so someone correct me if I am wrong) Eric ------------------------------ From: e9328995@student.uq.edu.au (John Grieves) Subject: Re:Drum solos At 01:28 17/06/96 -0400, stephen napoles wrote: >However, on the other hand, when >she mentioned that Matt should roll off a solo or two, I feel he often does, >his fills are so technically amazing. That's a good call - but I think his general playing is amazing. The way Matt can cope with changes in time signatures boggles the mind - end of Rusty Cage is an example. I now have the beat figured out, but there's no way I would pick it from Matt's drumming, because he's able to take that beat and syncopate/anticipate so well, it just boggles the mind... >He has to be one of the best finesse >drummers in the rock field today. I wonder how many drummers could do what Matt does? Do you think he's exclusive in his field or do you think other drummers, if they were so inclined to play such rhythmically difficult music, could rise to the occassion? I wouldn't think there would be too many who would have the natural skill, but what do you think? >I've heard musicians in the past say that SG tends to >be simple but my response is always that they should listen to Matt. If that's the case, there's complexity in that simplicity, if you know what I mean...Matt makes his general drumming interesting, let alone fills etc. Hats off to Matt... Jackhammer. ------------------------------ From: e9328995@student.uq.edu.au (John Grieves) Subject: State of Origin #3, New South Wales beats Queensland!! Clean sweep 3-0 Yes, fantastic!! Blues beat Maroons in the rugby league here in Australia! Okay, the only reason to bring this up is much the same as the second State of Origin - Soundgarden's "Pretty Noose" was played on the television coming back from an ad break after the first half was completed. Just a short snippet, but more than enough! Bit too much time on my hand, methinks... Jackhammer. ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 157] ****************************************