From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 5 Jun 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 04:08:29 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Wednesday, 5 Jun 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Re: who (the hell wrote this) weekly review... Re: Metallica...and, well that's it RE: DOTU reviews and STuFF Re: SG fans Vs. the world Old vs. New Reviews and ariticles RE: who (the hell wrote this) weekly review... RE: Everclear RE: DOTU reviews and STuFF RE: SUBSCRIBE RE: go bulls... RE: Oink Oink Down on the Upswine! go SONICS! Song off DOTU -> Live heheh Metallica and other ramblings sometimes it pays to watch mtv.. Articles Metallica...and, well that's it A gentle reminder Re: Metallica...and, well that's it ty cobb vs. big dumb sex old vs. new Interview with Chris in Metallica mag RE: DOTU reviews and STuFF assorted ramblings... Re: A gentle reminder Re: A gentle reminder Well-written magazine review of DOTU (fairly long article....sorry) RE: What is this, What is that???? RE: go bulls... SOMMS playlist Re: SOMMS playlist RE: DOTU reviews and STuFF Re: SOMMS playlist / various junk Arbitrary Lyrics Whitesnake ...SG Comparisons??? ------------------------------------------------------------ From: e9328995@student.uq.edu.au (John Grieves) Subject: Re: who (the hell wrote this) weekly review... Blind Dog wrote: >On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, John Grieves wrote: >>From Who Weekly: >> Down on the Upside is basically a weaker twin brother to 1994's sprawling >> Superunknown. There are brooding riff-fests to the left and lurching howlers >> to the right, with Chris Cornell yowling such lines as "eat the fruit and >> kiss the snake goodnight" and "standing with my enemies hung on my horns". >> Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this sound like regular metal? > > I imagine this is their best attempt at panning dotu. I'd have to agree with you, Blind Dog - in fact, your sentiments on the whole article mirrored mine... >chris cornell howling? I'm sure that which ever genius it was >who decided to write that prefers the more classy sounds of michael >bolton and other such hair/cabaret acts. It's crazy, because usually I agree with Who Weekly reviews a lot more than I did with this review - this whole review (IMHO) was substandard compared to many of their others, and I suspect the reviewer was caught short in his depth with the material... >does who weekly have an email address jackhammer? Yes! Letters to the editor are to be addressed to: Who.Letters@time.com.au Writers are asked to include their full name, address and telephone number... Jackhammer. ------------------------------ From: Robin Brookeneck Subject: Re: Metallica...and, well that's it At 05:08 PM 4/06/96 -0500, MR. TY COBB wrote: >Want to know why they cut their hair and are wearing makeup? Because they >wanted to know who their real fans were. Someone who decides that >Metallica sucks now because they cut their hair obviously was not that >much of a real fan. >B Rogers > > > > My GOD what an answer!!!!!!!!! Definitely, you're right, I'm tired to heard terrible commentaries about their new album, I'm not a Mettalica fan, but if I was, I'll follow my band to the end... ROBIN LoVE Is LIke SUicIDe ------------------------------ Subject: RE: DOTU reviews and STuFF From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) >...........Their latest album "Load" is great as good as DOTU. ........ >and pray for forgiveness from the gods of music for badmouthing Metallica. > > Hear, hear! I also don't mind the old Metallica - and I'm in awe of "Load". Like Soundgarden, they've not been afraid to change their style of music slightly. Here in Australia on radio Triple J they played Soundgarden's DOTU all last week (as their feature album, they play 4-5 different songs from the album every day - yes, including ones such as "Ty Cobb") and this week the feature album is Metallica's "Load". Both are good! {But DOTU is far better, imho}. Has anyone else found the new Metallica video - beyond words... So much that when I watch the video I forget to listen to the words.. Seems Rock'n'Roll is either talking about creation (Adam/Eve/snakes/cross) or they are in a bathroom.. Artistically I find the new Metallica video mesmerizing.....maybe someday I'll listen to the words... I have always enjoyed Metallica videos - their strange and mind bending.. This new one made me think allot about Soundgarden, which is even more strange. And just think a few years back good old MTV wouldn't even play JCP because of the cross and imagery... Also it should be noted that the radio ad for Lolla 96' in the Washington, DC area is putting Soundgarden before Metallica and several times they don't even mention Metallica.. Jamie BTW: I sure wish rock stars would stop cutting off their hair... :-( ------------------------------ Subject: Re: SG fans Vs. the world From: "Matthew Lawrence" > > > Hey All- > > First off, I know there's some albums that are strictly for > only die hard fans of a certain group. Good example of > this may be "Some old Bullshit" from the Beastie Boys. > Some albums like these are so mediocre(sp?) that only > die hard fans should only take interest. > > Other albums seem to be gems waiting to be discovered with > repeat listenings. Its looking like 'Down on the Upside' is > one of these. Why is it only SOundgarden fans can only seriously > dig this album? Why is it only Soundgarden fans can appreciate > the depthness of 'Down on the Upside'? I refuse to believe that > we're a bunch of mindless capitalistic lemmings that will swarm > to buy anything a band puts out(granted some do exist in the > Soundgarden relm :) ). Well, when I first heard it, I thought I was going to have to post to the list saying how bad I thought it was. But it grew on me and I didn't have to. I was totally prepared to hate this album before I heard it, I made an effort to remain objective and I still think it's a good album. The way I see it, if I wasn't a Soundgarden fan, expecting more of the same from the new album, I would've liked it more, IMHO. It was because it was so different from their other stuff that it took a while to sink in. On the other hand.. Of course SG fans like it more, after the initial shock of the change of direction, it's still SG underneath. Does that mean we're sheep? Nope, it just means that we all have a similar taste in music. If we were sheep we'd be bowing to the reviewers who think it sucks and swearing off Soundgarden forever. > > I'm just waiting for the year in review issues for all of these > magazines to come out. By that time, 'Down on the Upside' will > sink in further to their consciousness. Right now, the album is > still too new for me. I need to have it in my tape deck constantly > for a couple of weeks. Soundgarden is in their right relm though. > Maybe this album will be only appreciated by the fan base, if that's > the truth, I say let the truth speak for itself :) Well said. Matt ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: Old vs. New > Is it just me, or does the song Ty Cobb remind you more of the stuff on > Screaming Life/Fopp or Louder Than Love than the stuff on su or bmf? I > guess it sounds more like their days with Hiro than the other stuff I've > heard with Ben. > Erin I don't know if it has anything to do with Hiro or Ben, but something about DOTU as a whole reminded me of their old stuff. I think Caryn mentioned the same thing. I can't put my finger on it. The lyrics are certainly more introspective than SU, but I'm not sure exactly what gives it the feel of the older material. Maybe the harder edge to this stuff? Anybody else have an opinion about this? Kathie ------------------------------ Subject: Reviews and ariticles From: tonerkin@usa.pipeline.com (Tonerkin) On Jun 04, 1996 20:29:36, 'Carolyn Hanel ' wrote: >I've sent the following review to Seth for his web page, along with = >another article on Soundgarden Silver Management could probably fire the person who gathers all the media info/ press releases on Soundgarden for her. All Ms Silver needs to do is check out Seth's Web page. I think we have crackerjack article/review gatherers and typers on our Somms list. Maybe we could all split the salary of the person she lets goes!!! Toni ------------------------------ From: "Thomas D. Ozbirn" Subject: RE: who (the hell wrote this) weekly review... - ---------- From: blind dog[SMTP:s325961@student.uq.edu.au] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 1996 8:54 AM To: The Garden Subject: who (the hell wrote this) weekly review... On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, John Grieves wrote: > I was flicking through the latest Australian edition of Who Weekly as I > usually do, back to front. First thing that struck me was the Hitlist > Down on the Upside is basically a weaker twin brother to 1994's sprawling > Superunknown. There are brooding riff-fests to the left and lurching howlers > to the right, with Chris Cornell yowling such lines as "eat the fruit and > kiss the snake goodnight" and "standing with my enemies hung on my horns". > Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this sound like regular metal? I imagine this is their best attempt at panning dotu. I myself would have been very suspicious of any article related to soundgarden contained within the trashy pages of who weekly (a tabloid with colour photos). chris cornell howling? I'm sure that which ever genius it was who decided to write that prefers the more classy sounds of michael bolton and other such hair/cabaret acts. if he/she had read further than track 2 in the liner, they would have realised that there are actually more (and better/not out of context) lyrics on the album. > Meanwhile there's the one where they sound just like Pearl Jam ("Zero > Chance") and another ("Blow Up the Outside World") that shamelessly repeats > the psychedelics of their own previous hit,"Black Hole Sun". > like a nervy garage band than pompous metalheads. This 'Garden needs some > weeding. and this reviewer needs his/her head examined. zero chance sounds like pearl jam? I'd like to see jack irons try and drum with the same subtlety (eleven toes equals boring drumming). and comparing blow up to bhs is laughable at best. bhs was probably the only single the reviewer bought, and along with his/her pearl jam albums, the comparison was obvious. does who weekly have an email address jackhammer? onto more pleasant matters (but not sg related), you would be doing yourself a favour if you go out and buy 1. _dust_, the new screaming trees album; and 2. the alice in chains _unplugged_ cd. I've heard great things about both albums (admittedly, from the respective homepages), but sweet oblivion by the trees was fantastic, and the unplugged performance by aic is supposed to be one of the best ever (sweet relief after that (imho) last dodgy effort). ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- <*> so the new screaming trees is out?!?!?! ------------------------------ From: "Thomas D. Ozbirn" Subject: RE: Everclear - ---------- From: DeeDee.Bradshaw[SMTP:dbradsh@usa.pipeline.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 1996 12:49 AM To: Thomas D. Ozbirn Subject: RE: Everclear - --no need to get mean i was just replying to someones post...wont happen again.... DeeDee.Bradshaw <*> I'm sorry i was trying to reply to the initial poster, no hard feelings?? ------------------------------ From: "Thomas D. Ozbirn" Subject: RE: DOTU reviews and STuFF - ---------- From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com[SMTP:ShRooMGrLz@aol.com] Sent: Monday, June 03, 1996 7:00 AM To: SOMMS@MIT.EDU Subject: DOTU reviews and STuFF From the ATN review (I think): And what the hell is up with that new video? Did they start taking make-up lessons from Dave Navarro, or what? Idiots. And there's one guy in it (don't ask me names, I'm NOTNOTNOT a Metallica = fan) who looks like he's trying to be a Chris Cornell/Dave Navarro mix. Can't = say I really blame him, though. <*> My guess is you're talking aboput kirk hammet, i read a recent = article on metallica and at first i thought it was about urge overkill = cause he looked exactly the same as that blackie guy... but i can see = what you're getting at... i think the whole deal with hair is incredibly = superficial, there is no standard or 11th commandmemnt saying thou shalt = have long hair to rock... oh well i'll shut up now... ------------------------------ From: "Thomas D. Ozbirn" Subject: RE: SUBSCRIBE - ---------- From: Rick Agrait[SMTP:rea49625@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 1996 8:51 AM To: Thomas D. Ozbirn Subject: RE: SUBSCRIBE ><*> shut up or I will tie you up, pull your teeth, make you drink = gasoline, in short watch the uncensored broken video and quiver you have the broken video too?? boy that is some sick stuff. i still = find it hard to watch it in one sitting without my stomach turning. good music = though. i thought the happiness in slavery video was bad..but the broken movie = just takes the cake. - -hasswipee <*> my friend and i had just watched that and i let him see my SG = mailing list and we kind of got out of control with it.. we've been = debating whether or not the video taped part was real or not, it would = be kind of hard to do that much with a dummy but the thought that they = actually killed someone is kind of sick... maybe it was some video taped = session from some serial killer.... this guy told me the part in the van = was from new orleans so who knows?? ------------------------------ From: "Thomas D. Ozbirn" Subject: RE: go bulls... - ---------- From: Carolyn Hanel[SMTP:carolynh@dove.net.au] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 1996 3:50 PM To: 'somms@mit.edu' Subject: RE: go bulls... ....... Carolyn the Mushroom Filler ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I've had enough of reinventing memories - Therapy? <*> do you like therapy? you're about the only person i've met who even knows who they are.... hats off to the insane is great ------------------------------ From: "Thomas D. Ozbirn" Subject: RE: - ---------- From: Cameron Straatsma[SMTP:tool@netzone.com] Sent: Sunday, June 02, 1996 3:47 PM To: tdo@datasync.com I know what you're talking about. I have a Crybaby 535. They sound a = lot better than the original one. They had a wider range and you can boost = the signal to get a more dramatic effect. If you don't already have an = original Crybaby don't get one, get the 535. I'm not sure what songs it's on, it = just sounds like a regular wah pedal but it has a really good sound. Hope that helps answer your question. Later, Cameron <*> appreciate the reply, but i've already bought an original, it died = on me though so it's in the process of being sent back to me.... it's = been gone 4 too long and I've been thinking of just getting my money = back and buying the 535 ------------------------------ From: mansruin@sirius.com (Man's Ruin Inc.) Subject: Oink Oink > > >Hello Sommsters.. >Figure I'd take a break from hitting the ol' crack pipe and whipping my >female groupies to respond to the Entertainment Weekly thing.I must >apologize for liking to look at women.They are right,I'm a degenerate >pig and ought to be destroyed. After all, I'm sure that their magazine >sports pictures of Courtney Cox and >Demi Moore because of their *amazing* acting abilities, so I must bow down >to their superiority.If I am ever allowed out of my cage to make another >video I'll make sure it's just chock full of cute little talking pigs. >Frank "The Exploiter" Kozik > >PS...who the fuck is Whitesnake? ------------------------------ Subject: Down on the Upswine! From: tonerkin@usa.pipeline.com (Tonerkin) On Jun 04, 1996 10:36:10, 'mansruin@sirius.com (Man's Ruin Inc.)' wrote: >.If I am ever allowed out of my cage to make another >>video I'll make sure it's just chock full of cute little talking pigs. Maybe Chris could accommadate you and change the title of "overfloater" to "overeater". The talking pigs would fit right in. Than Jenny Craig will want to use the song and video clips for a commercial. Hell, the pigs could give weight lose testimonies. I'm smellin money here, Frank :-) Toni ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: go SONICS! *ahem* hey toni, take you up on that bet. ;> 1) tad ..have NOT broken up. playing later this summer here. 2) everclear suck. were good live once, now they're lazy and make green day look tight by comparison 3) reviewers i just don't get why you all get so upset when someone writes a bad review? i mean, it's their opinion, it's what they get paid for, you don't agree, big deal! ;) on the other hand, it's one thing when they say 'i don't like this and this is me' and when they are totally talking out of their butt. but to get upset because of the **ENTERTAIMENT WEEKLY** review?! c'mon now! what did you EXPECT??? and while i don't want to appear ungrateful to those transcribing the reviews, it makes the digests really HUGE. couldn't you just send them to seth, and then offer to email them to anyone who doesn't have web access? is it necessary to post them to the list in their entirety? just a thought... SONICS 96! IN TO WIN! ;-P (tho there is no way, really, no way... just being loyal ;) ) - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Greg Fox Subject: Song off DOTU -> Live I would love to hear Ty Cobb live. To me this is like Big Dumb Sex, except a newer more current version. This is my favorite song off the album for now because it most appropriately describes my mood for the past month. Greg ------------------------------ From: champagne.supernova@thenexus.com Subject: heheh i just got a tv with closed captioning and i was pleased to see pretty noose come on:) its weird cause it says "i count the moon today" at the beginning, i know thats been discussed before, but it also says "the wooden snake this thing has got me on" hehe wooden snake.. ifind that kinda funny:) ------------------------------ From: Gail Subject: Metallica and other ramblings Okay, people the Metallica release is out today, I want to know what you people think. I haven't decided whether or not I'm going to buy it yet, because I heard the single on the radio and nearly cried. It was chessy, for Metallica anyway. When Metallica (Enter Sandman) came out I thought, okay they want to be paid, they are tired of being the big fish in the small stream, they'll return to their normal, innovative, hard hitting selves with the next album. Yet, I don't think this has happened. I was listening to the radio this morning and one the DJ's said she'd heard it and loved it. When asked if they were bad to their hard hitting selves, she said, "THEY"VE MATURED". WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT MEAN? Does it mean that they are now trying to appeal to the greater, more mature audiences now or have they lost their hard hitting edge. Now, I hear that RS gave them 3 1/2 stars, I can't wait to see what written about the release. They've cut their hair and are wearing makeup on the cover of RS ragazine. What the hell is going on? Will this happen to SG? I don't want to think about it anymore. Anyone who listens to the new Metallica, drop me a line, will ya. Now onto my other nerve racking adventures. I may not be able to see Lolla this year. I'm just fighting mad. If all indications are correct, the tour won't hit southern cal until Aug 2nd, a day that I have to have my ass on a bus from NYC to Virgina Beach, VA. I promised and paid for this stupid Crabfest shit last year and now I'm stuck. I thought about going to the one up in Washington, but I'll still be in NYC visiting family on those dates. Damn me!!! My only hope is the show in Bryan, TX. I only know one person in Texas, and he lives in Dallas. I haven't figured out where the hell Bryan is, but I'm praying it's within driving distance of Dallas. All in all, I'm looking a very expensive summer. I have to now and find a second job. gail ********************************************************************** "I love it! I love it! I love it! I love it!" Blueberry Johnson - The State ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: champagne.supernova@thenexus.com Subject: sometimes it pays to watch mtv.. im still watching it:) and kurt scroder just said that something about the surfrider foundation, and how there is a record benefiting it coming out this summer with new tracks by pearl jam and SOUNDGARDEN and some other bands.. dammit.. it better not be a song i've heard before.. but i will settle for christi on cd:) also, at the end of the pretty noose video where chris screams "YEAH!" the closed captioning said "NO!" hehe i thought that was a lil retarded:) ------------------------------ Subject: Articles From: seth Just a couple of things about articles... 1. If you want to post articles to the list instead of just sending them to me for the Web page, that's something you'll have to decide based on how other people feel about it. Personally, it makes no difference to me, since I have to compile the digest every night anyway, and a few extra pages won't kill me. If, as Caryn said, people feel the digest is too large because of the articles, maybe you could consider just sending them to me and I'll put them on the Web page. Either way is fine with me -- I always take the articles that are posted to the list and add them to the page anyway. 2. I redid the Articles section of the Web page so that the articles are listed in *reverse* chronological order. I imagine most of the new articles I'll be adding will be from 1996, so it makes a bit more sense to have those towards the top of the page. On a related note, if anyone has articles from 1991 or earlier (like the issue of The Rocket that marked Soundgarden's first ever appearance on the cover of a publication) and would be willing to type them up or photocopy and send them to me, *please* do. Early Soundgarden is as important as current Soundgarden, and I'd like to get more early stuff for the page. seth ------------------------------ From: "Ty Cobb (B Rogers)" Subject: Metallica...and, well that's it Want to know why they cut their hair and are wearing makeup? Because they wanted to know who their real fans were. Someone who decides that Metallica sucks now because they cut their hair obviously was not that much of a real fan. As for the new album, it has reached and exceeded my expectations before the 3rd listening! A must get. Awards to...King Nothing, Aint My Bitch. Honorable mention: Cure, Hero Of The Day, The Outlaw Torn. Get It! Thanks. B Rogers On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Gail wrote: > > Okay, people the Metallica release is out today, I want to know what you > people think. I haven't decided whether or not I'm going to buy it yet, > because I heard the single on the radio and nearly cried. It was chessy, > for Metallica anyway. When Metallica (Enter Sandman) came out I thought, > okay they want to be paid, they are tired of being the big fish in the > small stream, they'll return to their normal, innovative, hard hitting > selves with the next album. Yet, I don't think this has happened. I was > listening to the radio this morning and one the DJ's said she'd heard it > and loved it. When asked if they were bad to their hard hitting selves, > she said, "THEY"VE MATURED". WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT MEAN? Does it mean > that they are now trying to appeal to the greater, more mature audiences > now or have they lost their hard hitting edge. Now, I hear that RS gave > them 3 1/2 stars, I can't wait to see what written about the release. > They've cut their hair and are wearing makeup on the cover of RS > ragazine. What the hell is going on? > > Will this happen to SG? I don't want to think about it anymore. > Anyone who listens to the new Metallica, drop me a line, will ya. > > Now onto my other nerve racking adventures. I may not be able to see > Lolla this year. I'm just fighting mad. If all indications are correct, > the tour won't hit southern cal until Aug 2nd, a day that I have to have > my ass on a bus from NYC to Virgina Beach, VA. I promised and paid for > this stupid Crabfest shit last year and now I'm stuck. I thought about > going to the one up in Washington, but I'll still be in NYC visiting > family on those dates. Damn me!!! My only hope is the show in Bryan, TX. I > only know one person in Texas, and he lives in Dallas. I haven't figured > out where the hell Bryan is, but I'm praying it's within driving distance > of Dallas. All in all, I'm looking a very expensive summer. I have to > now and find a second job. > > gail > ********************************************************************** > "I love it! > I love it! I love it! I love it!" Blueberry Johnson - The State > ********************************************************************** > > > > ------------------------------ Subject: A gentle reminder From: seth THUMBS UP: Soundgarden, Hater, Temple Of The Dog, Tone Dogs, Pigeonhed, Truly, Wellwater Conspiracy, Center For Disease Control Boys, Dark Load, M.A.C.C., Skin Yard, and any other band that has a current or previous member of Soundgarden in it, full-time or guest appearance. THUMBS DOWN: Posts that contain zero content dealing in some way with the above bands or this mailing list, i.e., those pertaining only to Metallica, Oasis, Everclear, Screaming Trees, or whatever. I know everyone has musical interests besides Soundgarden (I certainly do), and I know there are lots and lots of good artists out there, but let's try to keep this list for Soundgarden-related discussion. If anyone wonders why I'm so crazy about keeping off-topic posts away from the list, read alt.music.soundgarden -- it's filled with garbage. Wondering where the hell my SOMMS t-shirts are, seth ------------------------------ From: Gail Subject: Re: Metallica...and, well that's it On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Ty Cobb (B Rogers) wrote: > Want to know why they cut their hair and are wearing makeup? Because they > wanted to know who their real fans were. Someone who decides that > Metallica sucks now because they cut their hair obviously was not that > much of a real fan. As for the new album, it has reached and exceeded my > expectations before the 3rd listening! A must get. Awards to...King > Nothing, Aint My Bitch. Honorable mention: Cure, Hero Of The Day, The > Outlaw Torn. Get It! > Thanks. > > B Rogers Now, just get a grip on yourself B!!!! I didn't say a damn thing about them sucking, because the cut their fucking hair!!!! That's the least of my concern. I wanted to know if anyone had brought and listen to the new album. I wanted to know what the fuck was meant by them "Maturing" as the DJ said this morning. No, I haven't been to every one of their concerts and I don't worship at the Metallica Temple of Metal Music, but I really loved their stuff before Metallica and I even got into Metallica after I realized that all musician need to recognized for their work, yet I always hoped they'd go back to their more innovative, hard hitting, driving style. I am under the impression that they have not. Does that mean they suck...HELL NO!! But that does mean that I won't be rushing out to buy their newest. I am a true fan of their music before Metallica, that style of metal suits me more than what my roommate has come to call Metallica-lite. Now that you've got me started...I get so damn tired of this whole real/true fan shit!! I have too diverse a musically taste to be any one band's true fan. I realize that there are people who will go along with whichever bands are hot at the moment and take precious music (releases), concert tickets, and other collectibles away from fans who absolutely worship these artists. Yet, so call true fans are no better than anyone else. I guess I'm a true fan of no artists because their is far too much music on this planet for me to focus my attention on any one artists. As for Metallica, I'll go by the record store and give it a listen. ------------------------------ From: erin@planet.eon.net Subject: ty cobb vs. big dumb sex >I would love to hear Ty Cobb live. To me this is like Big Dumb Sex, except >a newer more current version. This is my favorite song off the album for >now because it most appropriately describes my mood for the past month. Yeah, it kind of reminded me of BDS too.. (for reasons other than the repeated use of the word fuck in both songs).. I really like both of the songs. When I first got Louder than Love, BDS was the first song that really grabbed my attention.. Erin ------------------------------ From: erin@planet.eon.net Subject: old vs. new >well, it's hard to say... I love UltraMega OK, so it was well worth it... >but it sounds quite different from Superunknown and Down on the Upside... >UMOK is probably their heaviest album, not easy to get into (though it does >have one of my three fav. SG songs on it, "Beyond The Wheel... it's a brutal >noise-fest...) I already have Louder Than Love so I guess I may go and get Ultramega.. Unfortunately, the cheapest I've ever seen it was $20 (canadian) at a used record store.. CDs are too damn expensive.. Thanks for the info. Erin ------------------------------ From: "Terri Sanchez" Subject: Interview with Chris in Metallica mag FYI. This could be old news, but I saw a magazine at Hastings, I can't remember the name, but it is devoted exclusively to Metallica but there is an interview with Chris in it regarding DOTU and Lolla with a picture of the whole band. :-) Terri L. Sanchez Student Job Placement Services Albuquerque Technical-Vocational Institute (505) 224-3060 tsanchez@tvi.cc.nm.us ------------------------------ From: Adrian Alcock Subject: RE: DOTU reviews and STuFF As Aleko said.... Kirk Hammett is a gun. Another legend from the Satriani stables. Whats more, he's been carrying that look since the first Metallica album "Kill Em All" c. 1983. Maybe CC is copying him? (Heh heh...had to say it just to get a response.) BTW that Rage episode was totally kool. Hetfield and Newstead played heaps of wicked tunes, including a whole bunch of AIC such as "Grind" & "No Excuses" which my dipshit father promptly taped over on the following day. Also lost was a copy of "Pretty Noose". So if anybody in Terra Australis has these videos and dubbing facilities, what are my chances of s-mailing a blank tape to them and getting a copy? Oh well, back to studying I guess. Be well. - You gotta hold on to your time til you break through these - times of trouble ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: assorted ramblings... to ben, if you want soundgarden to play mind riot, I would just try screaming it at them. that seems to be the accepted way of doing things, and holding up a sign could get your ass booted by some guy in the row behind you :) anyhow, I think you have a good chance of hearing mind riot at any sg show. doesn't chris generally play it solo before the chorus most times? to mr kozik, now that you have established yourself as a chauvenist pig, maybe you could move onto other topical areas? if the band asks you, burden in my hand offers some good opportunities, like having chris harpooning some scantily-clad go-go whales. sounds like something entertainment weekly would go for. as for the 'older' sound of soundgarden being rekindled on dotu, I'm not so sure. seems to me that dotu is a lot more melodic than anything on their first two records, and production-wise (apologies to jack endino) it's much slicker. even the punkier dotu songs (ty cobb, never named and an unkind) are far more cleaner than anything from ultramega ok. I think dotu sounds more like 'new' soundgarden than 'old' soundgarden. btw, has anyone tried playing anything off dotu? I know from a drum standpoint never the machine is probably the toughest to play, but what about on guitar? are there any real tricky songs? finally, the presidents (not to mention that ben lookalike lyle lovett) are playing letterman sometime next week. is there any way we can petition them to play 'naked and famous', and have kim on stage to play his lead break? I know its a dream, but it's a good one don't you think :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Mayor McCheese Subject: Re: A gentle reminder On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, seth wrote: > THUMBS UP: > M.A.C.C., Skin Yard, and any other band that has a current or previous > member of Soundgarden in it, full-time or guest appearance. > > THUMBS DOWN: > Posts that contain zero content dealing in some way with the above > bands or this mailing list, i.e., those pertaining only to Metallica, > Oasis, Everclear, Screaming Trees, or whatever. > Ummmmmmmm, Seth, Chris has sang, co-produced and played the flute with Screaming Trees, I surely hope they count . . . > > Wondering where the hell my SOMMS t-shirts are, > > seth > Yeah, did nothingman skip town? 50+ shirts at about 11 a piece, hmmmmmmm . . . Your Anal Friend, Mayor McCheese XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX "I'm so bad, I kick my own ass twice a day!" -Creeper from Dolemite ------------------------------ Subject: Re: A gentle reminder From: seth > > THUMBS DOWN: > > Posts that contain zero content dealing in some way with the above > > bands or this mailing list, i.e., those pertaining only to Metallica, > > Oasis, Everclear, Screaming Trees, or whatever. > > > > Ummmmmmmm, Seth, Chris has sang, co-produced and played the flute with > Screaming Trees, I surely hope they count . . . My mistake. Okay, Screaming Trees are thumbs up, as long as you talk about Chris' involvement. :) seth ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: Well-written magazine review of DOTU (fairly long article....sorry) Howdy all, I've sent the following review to Seth for his web page, along with = another article on Soundgarden (interview with Kim Thayil), both from = Australian music mag called JUICE. Tonight I decided I may as well = email the review at least to the list to add to the few others that have = been posted lately, for I'm sure that some of you out there don't have = access to the www and might appreciate a good read. But please forgive = me for any typing errors - I can't get the spell checker to work on this = new email package I'm using! Anyway, THIS article (unlike some of the others that have been posted) = is well-written imho, because even though the writer points out why some = people might not like Soundgarden, it is quite obvious that he himself = is a fan of the band, and that he actually knows what he's talking = about. With statements such as "...proving that Chris Cornell's voice = is still exceptional amongst a field of pretenders", and "Soundgarden = stands alone as a great band, without the aid of dark rock = contemporaries or the junkie mystique tht enveloped greater Seattle at = the city's height", you just gotta respect this guy. And he gives DOTU = 4 stars out of 5, which is a very good rating by his standards. So happy reading! :-) {btw - I bought Metallica's new "Load" CD yesterday, and I like it, I = like it! I'm jealous of all you Americans who can go and not only see = Soundgarden at Lolla, but Metallica as well} Cheers Carolyn the Mutilating Fork ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I just wanna feel some sunshine.........Everclear ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Reprinted without permission from JUICE - June 1996 "SOUND(GARDEN) AS EVER" By Simon Wooldridge SOUNDGARDEN - Down On The Upside **** Soundgarden has a reputation for being the metal band that it's okay for = alternakids to like, with plenty of the band's detractors asserting that = their early success had everything to do with location, location, = location and little to do with subtlety, taste or ideas. And for all = those who resented the full-blown, Sabbath-inspired power of their = watershet Badmotorfinger album, there's little to dsprove these theories = on Down On The Upside. Your appreciation of the album will be governed = by whether you think Soundgarden make metal with only a vague twist on = the skulls and death imagery, or whether they hit the psychedelic = heights to which they aspire. Be they cosmic or comic, Soundgarden have certainly mellowed and = improved since they defined 90s metal riffing with the folding = turnarounds of "Outshined:, the frenetic, tense pace of "Rusty Cage" and = "Jesus Christ Pose," and rock-out reworkings like "Drawing Flies". = Superunknown was an entirely different album, poised and polished where = once all was awash with reverb and the messy trademarks of metallic = over-production. After working with sizemeister producer Terry Date on = Badmotorfinger, they moved onto Michael Beinhorn for Superunknown. And = while he removed the ludicrous emphasis on mass and space, he retained = the perfection ideal. Here, on Down On The Upside, the band have = produced themselves (with help from engineer Adam Kaspar), and while = they maintain that they've aimed for a live feel as much as possible, = the sound is still closest to Superunknown, albeit with fewer overdubs = and an unerring musicianship guiding the grooves. Vocalist and primary songwriter Chris Cornell continues his trademark = lyrical bent, mixing the mystical and violent with a balls-out bravado = that typifies American hard rock. The opening couplet exemplifies this, = part darkly esoteric, part menacing, park Yankee "yeah!" - "I caught the = moon today/Pick it up and throw it away/All right!" he sings before = moving in for the hook: "Pretty noose is pretty hate/And I don't like = where you got me hanging from." Keeping the stargasing grounded in some = sense of urban reality is something Cornell struggles with, and manages = for the most part. His tales of mythical and mystical proportions are = brought home by lines that speak with the vocabulary of a street urchin, = the violence intellectualised but still blunt. He's combining the = pile-driving attack of metal with some sense of lyrical ingenuity, and = however Gothic and graniose in outlook the lyrics are, there's something = in the ambiguous verses for everyone who can suspend disbelief enough to = listen. And despite the fact that gambits like boosting the intensity = of a song by upping the vocal melody as the song progresses (low melody = first verse, higher in the second) are now old hat, Cornell has made the = trick such a personal trademark that he's forgiven the predictability. Like their metallic antecedents, Soundgarden have gone multi-platinum = and made a mint on a ballad ("Black Hole Sun" from Superunknown helped = them to their current success), but for all their immediacy they're far = from Top 40. "Blow Up The Outside World" may be everything that "Black = Hole Sun" was before it (proving that Chris Cornell's voice is still = exceptional amongst a field of pretenders), but amidst the pop songs = that catch the ear there are strange takes, like drummer matt Cameron's = "Applebite" (full of eerie keyboards and indecipherable distorted = vocals, it's so slow and dub-heavy it's near trip hop, and only just a = failed experiment). Likewise "Never The Machine Forever," whose title = gives an indication of the song's bamboozling chop/change structure and = complex set of turnarounds. Like "Zero Chance," "Never The Machine = Forever" creates the atmosphere of a dark Beatles ballad - the latter = including a finicky, complex guitar line that moves into the = tongue-twister modes usually reserved for virtuoso wankers and "world" = musicians. Soundgarden - the line-up is completed by guitarist Kim = Thayil, who takes songwriting credit on "Never The Machine Forever," and = bassist Ben Sherpherd, who wrote "An Unkind" and added music to "Zero = Chance," "Dusty," "Ty Cobb," and "Never Named" - know just how to stop = on the rock side of technical exploration, a sense of understanding that = allows them to excel but which also forces them at times to come close = to pop music's precedent, as they move through clich=E9s and perfect pop = progressions. "Never Named" is top punk rock, with its loose feel and opening lines: = "I had a dog/He was a mix/He loved me like a God/But I was just a = kid/And I look like a man/But I feel like an ant." "Dusty" is an = exceptional song which sounds like nothing Soundgarden has done before, = a monotonal pop tune that demonstrates the changes the band has made - = where once there was crass distortion there's now tone-perfect = overdrive, weighed out by a classic tension/resolution passage and an = outro that's almost roots rock. "Pretty Noose" matches Superunknown's = "The Day I Tried To Live" for intensity and catchiness. "Ty Cobb" has a = false start incorporating mandolin, mandola, piano and percussion which = drops suddenly into a full-speed punk rocker, with its perfect pop = reading of the tough rock chorus ("Hard headed fuck you all!" Cornell = sings over double-time backing, his voice sweet and weighed out by = harmonies). And while side two flounders at times, over 65 minutes and = 16 songs there's enough variety on Down On The Upside to satisfy any = fan. As critics try to pin Soundgarden down with the over-used "grunge is = dead" clause, these Seattle survivors have long since proved themselves = an autonomous outfit that hasn't felt the need to bow to peer pressure. = Soundgarden stands alone as a great band, without the aid of dark rock = contemporaries or the junkie mystique tht enveloped greater Seattle at = the city's height. Between the foursome there's the mix of true grit = and musicianship necessary to create a genuine rock package. Ten years = into their recording career, Soundgarden are still hitting their = gargantuan stride. {END ARTICLE} ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: RE: What is this, What is that???? On 04 June 1996 10:36 AM, Russell Alan Fowler wrote: >>On the topic of whether or not SG has "sold out"...selling out is actually a stereotype in and of itself. Let's not forget that alternative of yesterday has become the mainstream of today.... So, if you ask me "Has SG sold out?", my only reply is "No, we have..." rusty (cage) I like your reply to the question above, Russell. What a nice and refreshing posting that was to read! :-) Carolyn the Madly-trying-to-catch-up-on-somms-postings-before Falling-way-behind ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I have found some kind of temporary sanity in this......Tool ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: RE: go bulls... On 04 June 1996 7:04 PM, Blind Dog wrote: >> what material from dotu does everyone think will translate well=20 to a live situation? ...................what do you=20 all think? what would you like to hear? Hmmmm, what would _ I _ like to hear?? Other than every song = Soundgarden has ever played? (guess that would be one helluva live = concert). I would LOVE to see/hear a live version of "Ty Cobb" and = "Never Named" - I'm sure the crowd would go wild at those fast punkish = tunes! And my favourite, "Burden In My Hand". And "Dusty" - yes, = definitely that. And "Overfloater" would be a cool one to finish off = the night - leaving us all to go floating our way home.............. Carolyn the Mushroom Filler ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I've had enough of reinventing memories - Therapy? ------------------------------ From: Neuromute@aol.com Subject: SOMMS playlist hey all... could some lucky soul who actually owns the SOMMS disc tell me what songs are on it so I will know exactly what I'm missing? Thanks Later......Brian - -- Kick, kick, kick till the laws are broken Kick, kick, kick until the boots are worn... ------------------------------ Subject: Re: SOMMS playlist From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) > hey all... > > could some lucky soul who actually owns the SOMMS disc tell me what songs are > on it so I will know exactly what I'm missing? 1) Into the Void (Sealth) 2) Girl U Want 3) Stray Cat Blues 4) She's A Politician 5) Slaves & Bulldozers (live) Jamie ------------------------------ From: Carolyn Hanel Subject: RE: DOTU reviews and STuFF On 05 June 1996 1:38 AM, Aleko wrote to Shroom: >>......you have have crossed the line by criticising Metallica. = Blasphemer!!! ..........Their latest album "Load" is great as good as DOTU. ........ and pray for forgiveness from the gods of music for badmouthing = Metallica. Hear, hear! I also don't mind the old Metallica - and I'm in awe of = "Load". Like Soundgarden, they've not been afraid to change their style = of music slightly. Here in Australia on radio Triple J they played = Soundgarden's DOTU all last week (as their feature album, they play 4-5 = different songs from the album every day - yes, including ones such as = "Ty Cobb") and this week the feature album is Metallica's "Load". Both = are good! {But DOTU is far better, imho}. >>PS Don't take this too seriously. BTW the sexiest people in rock are = Nitocris hey Carolyn:) Yeah, right, Alex. ;-) >>Currently playing on the CD: Down on the Upside LOAD - Metallica .. Ditto for me, but add to that Butthole Surfers' "Independent Worm = Saloon". What a cool album that is! :-) Ooroo, Carolyn the Mailbox Filler ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'm feeling that I'm sober even though I'm drinking....Soundgarden ------------------------------ From: UnknMan@aol.com Subject: Re: SOMMS playlist / various junk >could some lucky soul who actually owns the SOMMS disc tell me what songs are >on it so I will know exactly what I'm missing? 1. Into The Void (Sealth) - Sabbath music with lyrics from a Chief Sealth letter 2. Girl U Want - Devo cover 3. Stray Cat Blues - Rolling Stones cover 4. She's A Politician - band original 5. Slaves & Bulldozers (live) - original tune from Bmf... recorded live somewhere in the US Today at work I told every person that purchased the new Metallica record that they could get a better record for a buck cheaper & I pointed to 'DOTU'... a few bought both which was cool. But I've still only sold about 40 Soundgarden records in 2 weeks. I sold more that 40 'Load's in one day /c: unSoundgarden material (so freaking shoot me): The new Metallica isn't as good as um... the new Soundgarden (ok.. it DOES have Sg-related info.) I heard it & will NOT be buying it. Instead I'll save my money & buy food. To the Everclear query (NOT SOUNDGARDEN RELATED): Saw them Sunday at a Fest in New Orleans... they pretty much sounded like crap live... I again will not be purchasing this album. (To flame it's UnknMan@aol.com). Soundgarden conspiracy related: I was stocking the new Metallica import singles & an early demo title for the new Metallica single was "F.O.B.D" before it had lyrics (it's funny.. Jame's scats!) (c: Hm... Fell On Black Days.. FOBD.. weird. slightly Soundgarden related: Back to that festival I attended last Sunday.. between sets they played 'popular' rock music... I was happy to hear "My Wave" but just about ralphed on my date when this gawd-awful dance beat kicked in & the guitar was played with yielding a dance mix /c: of "My Wave." Luckily it's my least favorite on Superunknown. They did the same with AiC's "Man In The Box" & PJ's "Evenflow". It was fun though... I helped catch the lead singer of Goldfinger (dunno his name) as he stage dived. They put on a great show! Sorry for babbling. DOTU song I want to hear live: "Never The Machine Forever" to see if they have it in them & "An Unkind" because I want to see if Chris can do the pinky thing (c; I'm also still waiting to hear "Toy Box" &/or "Fresh Deadly Roses" live. If it ever happened I'd probably cry. I love each of you as if you were my own children. (c; hardheaded, ray ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: Arbitrary Lyrics Shroom wrote: > Nothing more than arbitrary words that sound good together? When did > Chris 'admit' that?!? I'm sorry, but this 'news' (if it's true) has come as > a disappointment to me. Somehow it seems to belittle all the emotion I feel > has been put into the lyrics. Can someone please tell me which songs are > just words thrown together? I'd like to know if I'm over-analyzing this > stuff. Or perhaps the paranoia is back? Hmmm... I've heard Chris say this several times, but I'm sorry, I don't believe him. I think Chris says alot of things maybe to protect himself and his privacy or whatever. There is too much emotion and imagery in his songs to just be words strung together. I remember seeing a similar quote several years ago and thinking "yeah, right, tell me another one". I could be dead wrong, but most of his songs seem painfully personal and emotional and introspective. And yes, in a way I think it does belittle the feelings we have about what the lyrics mean (and I know he does think people over-analyze his songs, but what does he expect) and I really wish he'd quit saying that, but I guess he can say whatever he wants about his own songs. Maybe he would feel too exposed if he admitted the lyrics meant something to him. Anyway, I feel pretty darn certain that the majority of Chris Cornell songs are more than just words to him. And if I'm wrong I hope I never find out for sure. Kathie ------------------------------ From: Russell Alan Fowler Subject: Whitesnake ...SG Comparisons??? Give me a fucking break...Whitesnake started out as a real band, that is before they fired John Sykes and became a bunch of Bon Jovi fucking posers...Whitesnake, regardless of the number one singles will never compare to SG: exceptional musicians who don't give a shit about makeup or hair spray!! rusty (cage) ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 146] ****************************************