From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 31 May 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 02:20:19 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Friday, 31 May 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Do you read that GUITAR MAGAZINE? Re: Puck on the Real World; Chris Cornell Re: delete if you don't want my album rankings Re: Oasis are cool Re: Pretty Noose/Ugly Single? Happy or sad?/Meaning of Art Newbies vs. old fucks STuFFiN Re: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 30 May 1996 Re: Loudest Love Re: Screaming Trees/Soundgarden Sub Pop Re: Pretty Noose/Ugly Single? Re: why i don't like it Re: Pretty Noose/Ugly Single? [Fwd: Re: Bandwagons] digipak thingy another bandwagon - great! Defn of a _real_ SG Fan today's ATN Re: glenn's brainchild thread... sg in atn Great Moments in SG argh.. SG on aol... Re: SG on aol... way down beneath the undertow... (oops! that's tool!) Re: Loudest Love louder than love... pretty noose and bootleg stuff Re: Digipaks and Jewel Cases . . . Cop Killer at Lolla '92 SuperUnknown outranks DOTU? ------------------------------------------------------------ From: al639266@sun1.ur.mx Subject: Do you read that GUITAR MAGAZINE? Does anybody saw a magazine(I don't remember the name of it), with Kim's interview and awesome pics, it has a very extensive interview and a special of LOLLA (with photos, of course, of all the LOLLAPALOOZA tours)... OH and I love that SG logo in replace of SWEET N' LOW.... Isn't it cute ... ROBIN LOve IS likE suICIDe ------------------------------ From: David_H._Steinhage@nrunner.mil.wi.us Subject: Re: Puck on the Real World; Chris Cornell >I know what he meant by this....Puck was saying that he could tell if >people are assholes, and if they are he would tell them to their face that >they are assholes. So he is saying that Pedro is a dork and stuff and >then he says to the chick...I dont care, If Chris Cornell was an asshole, >I would say it to his face...Meaning, that chris is probably the coolest >guy in the world, but if he was an asshole in real life, he would tell him >off, he wouldn't kiss his ass like everyone else. Thank You for clearing that up!! Puck is oficially cool again!!! :) Dave ------------------------------ From: David_H._Steinhage@nrunner.mil.wi.us Subject: Re: delete if you don't want my album rankings I won't delete....your list is exactly what mine would look like....I just love BMF, no doubt about it. Dave ------------------------------ From: David_H._Steinhage@nrunner.mil.wi.us Subject: Re: Oasis are cool Oasis better than Soungarden? I don't mind Oasis, but SG's riffs are WAY more complex! There is no comparison! I can't believe you had the nerve to post that in this particular list... Dave ------------------------------ From: David_H._Steinhage@nrunner.mil.wi.us Subject: Re: Pretty Noose/Ugly Single? Keidra Chaney,chaneyk@stu.beloit.edu,Internet writes: >If this thread has already been done before please stop me, but do >any of you out there think that PN might nothave been the best choice for a >first single, at least in terms of enticing people to buy DOTU? I've talked >to a few people I know that are "casual listeners" of Soundgarden. Quite a >few of the have complained that PN is too "ugly and confusing"(actual >quote) of a song to be a first single and I've talked to a couple of people >who are now turned off from buying DOTU because of the song. I've argued to >them that people expecting to hear "Black Hole Sun:The Album" will >be suprised by DOTU, but anyone familiar with Soundgarden's past work >wouldn't be too thrown off by PN. I think it's a great song, but perhaps >my friends have a point. Maybe a more "radio friendly" song like "Burden in >My Hand" or even " Blow up the outside World" would have been a better >choice for a first single. Any Comments? It all depends on what type of fans the band was trying to attract...Had they used Never the Machine Forever as a single, they would have picked up more people partial to metal, or Ty Cobb too...Had they used Blow Up on the Outside World, they would have attracted more of the weak alternative people. Pretty Noose is kinda hard to decipher if you look at it in those terms. (Possibly a firewall against bandwagoneers?) Maybe Burden would have been a better choice. I'm not quite sure of their motives, but at least I'm pleased :)... Dave ------------------------------ From: Jeremy Ulrey Subject: Happy or sad?/Meaning of Art I don't personally understand why everyone (particularyly Americans) feel like they have to be so damn chipper all the time. Not that I'm bitterly depressed myself, but there are a LOT of problems in the world worth addressing, and "happy" people in general tend to feel that the best way to deal with these problems is to ignore them or pretend that they don't exist. If anyone can provide any significant episodes where ignoring a problem is the best way to solve it, I'd love to hear them. In my experience no problem ever gets taken care of until it's addressed. That's the trouble Joe Public gets himself into when he attempts to speak of "Art". He assumes that if someone is going to bitch about something they need to provide the solution as well as the problem. This is unfair as well as ludicrous. No problem of any social significance can be solved by one man- the fact that it takes a mass of people to create that problem in the first place should indicate to any rational mind that it must take a similar mass of people to solve it. However, it only takes one person to get the ball rolling. Art has a more subtle way of changing society that does politics: whereas you can see the immediate effects of opening a homeless shelter the effects a song can have over several generations is not so obvious. Someone who has just read Crime and Punishment may not rush out to law school and study to become a prosecutor of murderous scum, but they might absorb the moral lessons the book has to offer and incorporate its ideals into their lifelong philosophy of human nature. Often times artists, whether humble or just bad, will pass off their work as nothing more than a personal document of what they were feeling at the time. Such works that fit this description are a dime a dozen, but only a handful of them can actually be coined art. Much alternative music is written in a rather pretentious fashion by people with no depth as a human being, who pass off obscure lyrics and drug-laden fantasies as important documents of the human condition. Few of them actually pull it off, although they manage to fool a great many shallow souls who also want to feel important. I suppose the question here is whether or not Chris Cornell's lyrics fit into this category. Despite the fact that some of his songs are too obscure to properly determine the meaning of, others such as "The Ugly Truth" are both obvious and elegantly stated. In the cases where the lyrics are philosophically wanting, the instrumentation of the song usually more than make up for it. Which brings us back to the question of whether it's "healthy" to need to feel happy all the time. There are people such as the following: >yeah, not wrong the guy has no idea what he is talking about :) >grouchy...well I think we deserve to all be, I mean what does he want? >The >world does fairly suck most of the time, sometimes it's easier to just >be >grouchy :) I know I relate to Chris's lyrics more then I do to some >happy >pop Oasis or [insert other happy no thought lyrical band here] type of >thing. Maybe it's not good to yell at the world in that way, but what >the >hell, it doesn't listen to much we do anyway. [I am happy most of the >time >too :) just don't like things that happen i the world] >I think truthful is a good description, you can see the truth in alot of >what Chris is saying, once you work out what he is depicting. This person seems to feel that it's OK to be pissed as long as you apologize for it. Grouchy is a word that pops up a lot among followers of this school of thought (and one easy way to tell if someone is mortally terrified of offending another human being's sensibilities is the use of the precious :) symbol. Is it so much to ask that one make a serious point without declaring themselves a hopeless imbecile at the same time?) No matter how much truth there is in what you might say they don't want hear it if you can't present it in a pleasant tone. Which can't be done- try describing the slaughter of women and children in a sing-song voice. People like this are willing to doctor the facts and ignore the subtext to an infinite degree all in order to avoid being disturbed. The OK bombing really threw a lot of people off their guard, but those same people could care less that similar atrocities happen all over the world on a daily basis. We need "grouchy" people to remind us of what's real in this world of idealized fantasies. ------------------------------ From: Jeremy Ulrey Subject: Newbies vs. old fucks One poster had this to say: "Don't be a dick is right. I think the "ripping" of the "newbie" in question WAS totally unjustified. Unfortunately, it happens too often on this list. I hopped on board the Soundgarden bus (so to speak) back when Badmotorfinger was released. I hadn't heard "Rusty Cage". I'd heard "Outshined" and didn't care for it (which I still don't...). A friend, however, had recommended the album to me, so I bought it. Please, slap me on the wrists, someone. I was bad. I jumped on the bandwagon. Eeek. {dripping with sarcasm} Yes, I also became a certified HOOKED SG fan with the release of Superunknown, simply because of the sheer power of the material on it. I went looking for more material, found it, and I now own Louder Than Love. I'd own more, but I'm poor. :) NOW, my point (I did have one) is this: this newcomer is me, a few years ago. I looked for more Soundgarden stuff, and I found it. This is exactly what this guy was doing, before he was needlessly beaten to a pulp by a rude, thoughtless post." - --------------------------------------------------- I don't recall reading either post but the situation is all too familiar to me. I have to agree that the bashing of someone's ignorance on a public forum only serves the needs of the self-righteous, but I also think there is an equal amount of good-willed filler being bandied about, and a lot of this flaming might stem from anger at having to read so much of it. At least 90% of what's posted on the internet everyday is utter garbage. Unless you happen to be one of those mindless sheep who just can't like a song unless you know someone else out there does also, it doesn't mean anything to anyone to post "that song's cool" or "I really like that band." Who cares? Opinions have absolutely zero value unless they offer some insight that has previously been unexplored. Anything else is either a regurgitation of existing ideas or biased propaganda. No offense to the newbie in question, as I'm unfamiliar with what he/she actually posted, but I've seen on countless occasions a new list member right in just to say "hey! I'm new here! I don't really have anything relevant to say but it makes me feel important to see my words distributed worldwide, mindless drivel though it may be." That's putting it rather harshly, of course, but if you're going to fill up other people's mailboxes with notices that you'll be away for the summer and won't be receiving any mail, make sure you're someone they're going to miss. An easy guideline is to ask yourself, do you constantly add significant insight to most of the important threads that pop up? Or even more importantly, do you honestly think that no meaningful discussion will pop up without you around to further it? This applies to few if any people so why do I see it so much? And this trite bullshit about what a bad day you've had: save it for the Humanities newsgroup, most of us have our own meaningless problems in our own meaningless existence and the only thing we're interested in filling our free time with are those activities which might be, you guessed it, meaningful. The tone of this rant might seem similar to those angry flame letters that are always being posted and subsequently spat on, but I doubt even the most kindred soul would dispute the vast amount of junk mail they receive over the internet each and every day. And though it may seem mean and cruel natured to jump on someone who's heart was undoubtedly in the right place, sometimes it takes an asshole to get the job done. ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: STuFFiN I was thinking this fine morning (ouch) about the suggestion that Gardena (my partner in crime) made. She said all of us AOLers should meet online for a chat. That would be great!! We've tried this once before... but even the thought of Erin teaching us how to Lambada (ooh... the forbidden dance) didn't bring in the people. But this time we've got a sure draw. How'z about we all hang out and chat AFTER the Soundgarden online interview, June 10th? We'll surely have tons to talk about then!! Well... if you people are interested... then we can meet in either the Rockline chat room or a private room. I suggest a private room (not just because I'm a pervert and I feel more comfortable in them)... but the Rockline chat room is probably going to be kinda full... and as you may or may not know... AOL rooms only hold 23 people. So... if everyone who is going to be at the interview would kindly e-mail me and let me know you'll be online then, I'll try to get everyone rounded up after the interview. Is this making any sense? It's almost 5:30am, and I haven't slept yet. Do you feel my pain? Heheheh... Shroom... the most obsessed Chris Cornell fan on the planet. (and damned proud!!) ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... *** Chris Cornell | |.| |.| |\./| "She drinkin' my JackDaniels |\./| and smokin' all my weed" .\ |\./| /. ~~Andy Wood, MLB \-.\ |\\.//| /.-/ \--./\ |\\.//| /\.--/ \--.| \ |\\.//| / |.--/ \---.|\ |\./| /|.---/ \--.|\ |\./| /|.--/ \ .\ |.| /. / _ -_- \ \\ // / -_- _ - -/_/_/- | | -\_\_\- - /_\ ------------------------------ From: "Michael D. Dziok" Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 30 May 1996 Does anybody out there know what the song "FOPP" is all about? ------------------------------ From: sfox@mailer.fsu.edu (Stephen Fox) Subject: Re: Loudest Love Any takers as to DANZIG's importance? Did they >tour with them? I can't remember. > > Later, > Mayor McCheese >XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX >"I'm so bad, I kick my own ass twice a day!" -Creeper from Dolemite > > > > After the Tour with Faith No More and Voivod in '90, SOUNDGARDEN went back on the road playing on a bill between Warrior Soul and Danzig. I had tickets to see this in Atlanta, but got a flat tire on the was and missed it. I've seen them plenty since, thank god. Great Big Noise, Stephen R. Fox sfox@mailer.fsu.edu ------------------------------ From: sfox@mailer.fsu.edu (Stephen Fox) Subject: Re: Screaming Trees/Soundgarden > >Upon learning of Soundgarden's involvement with the band Screaming Trees and >how they apparently love them, I decided to go ahead and buy the Tree's cd >"Sweet Oblivion". I haven't had a chance to really listen to it yet >because I find myself listening to Down On The Upside almost every second >of the day. Can someone point to me a great Screaming Trees web site and >could someone give me any info on the band please? Thanks. > >At this local CD store, they are selling Ultramega Ok and Louder than >Love for 8 bucks. I do not own either of these albums but I am debating >whether or not I should get them. >-Vincent > > If you are looking for personal opinions, which I'll gladly give, I'd look into "Buzz Factory" by the Screaming Trees. Chris Cornell sang on two songs and helped produce "Uncle Anesthesia" which was their major label debut. They also have a new one on the way called "Dust." As far as which SOUNDGARDEN to buy, "Louder than Love" make any room you're listening in seem darker by the end, and "Ultramega OK" will send blood pulsing through your veins until the relaxation point of "One Minute of Silence." Let us know what you decide. Great Big Noise, Stephen R. Fox sfox@mailer.fsu.edu ------------------------------ From: sfox@mailer.fsu.edu (Stephen Fox) Subject: Sub Pop Does anybody know any of the details around Bruce Pavitt's departure from Sub Pop? I heard that there is a report in the Villiag Voice about his resignation. Please get back to me if you know anything. Great Big Noise, Stephen R. Fox sfox@mailer.fsu.edu ------------------------------ From: Bleach Subject: Re: Pretty Noose/Ugly Single? I thought that it was one of the best songs on the album... but who knows. I thought it was a great choice for a single. If not that, maybe Rhinosaur or Burden in my Hand... they sound like something that you would hear on the radio. Just my thoughts. --==Bleach.at.primenet.com==-- --==Support Gibson, buy a Les Paul==-- (bleach@primenet.com) <-- for slow people On Wed, 29 May 1996, Keidra Chaney wrote: > If this thread has already been done before please stop me, but do > any of you out there think that PN might nothave been the best choice for a > first single, at least in terms of enticing people to buy DOTU? I've talked > to a few people I know that are "casual listeners" of Soundgarden. Quite a > few of the have complained that PN is too "ugly and confusing"(actual > quote) of a song to be a first single and I've talked to a couple of people > who are now turned off from buying DOTU because of the song. I've argued to > them that people expecting to hear "Black Hole Sun:The Album" will > be suprised by DOTU, but anyone familiar with Soundgarden's past work > wouldn't be too thrown off by PN. I think it's a great song, but perhaps > my friends have a point. Maybe a more "radio friendly" song like "Burden in > My Hand" or even " Blow up the outside World" would have been a better > choice for a first single. Any Comments? > ------------------------------ From: "B. Kinser" Subject: Re: why i don't like it On Tue, 28 May 1996, Limo Wreck wrote: > ok... i've taken some heat for not liking Superunknown that much. I shall > explain my reasoning... :) > > "Let me drown" and "my wave" sound like everday rock songs to me. Yes, I know > they may have the "piss off" attitude... but they sound too shiny. The first > day i listened too those songs, i just thought they were too "poppish" (thanks > shroomy). > > Those songs didn't seem like they fit anything else Soundgarden had played up > to that point. It sure as hell didn't seem like a natural progression from > "badmotorfinger". > > I've always liked the more riff based (i like metal ok?) Soundgarden songs. > They seem to have more power with them and aggresiveness with them. Obviously > my fav songs on "superunknown" are "Limowreck", "4th of July", "day i tried".. > and my fav song is prolly "head down" (there's a shocker). > > done for now, > jerm > > -- > > Jeremy Crocker, A.K.A unGod > j_crocke@eos.ncsu.edu > http://www4.ncsu.edu/eos/users/j/j_crocke/WWW/home.html > > "somewhere through a thousand blues a dragonfly descends with just a whisper. > i'm lonelier than god, and all my wishes spin the fishes in the air > and everyone a different shade of you" > - "suicide machine", by Hum > Hey, you're not the only one! I am not a big fan of Superunknown. I lean more to the songs that are more epic and tend to "swirl" around my head. Songs like Hands All Over, Loud Love, Slaves and Bulldozers and Searching With My Good Eye Closed. And also, on my first couple of listens to DOTU there aren't any songs like these on it. It seems to me that DOTU sounds more like Temple of the Dog more than a real Soundgarden album. There are more "ballady" type songs on it and I like it when they aren't afraid to rock. But don't get me wrong, I love each and every album SG have made, just some more than the others. BK ------------------------------ From: Chris Mansfield Subject: Re: Pretty Noose/Ugly Single? chaneyk@stu.beloit.edu (Keidra Chaney) wrote (in thurs. digest): >Maybe a more "radio friendly" song like "Burden in My Hand" or even >"Blow up the outside World" would have been a better choice for a first >single. Any Comments? apparently 107.7 the end here in seattle thought the same thing. a few days after DOTU was released on vinyl they were playing "blow up the outside world" along with "pretty noose." :) :) Chris ------------------------------ From: don Subject: [Fwd: Re: Bandwagons] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------45D73E4C2765 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit COOL TO KNOW I'M NOT ALONE!!!!!! NOW TO INFORMATION THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTING TO SOMEONE I JUST FOUND OUT THAT THE 7-26 DATE FOR LOLLA IN OKLA, CITY HAS BEEN CANCELLED AND MAY OR MAY NOT BE MOVED TO ANOTHER SITE . TALK WAS MAYBE ELPASO TX MAYBE!!!!! IF I FIND OUT I WILL POST I HAVE A NUMBER OF A GUY IN COLORADO THAT WAS NOT IN SO I COULD TALK TO HIM HE WILL BE BACK NEXT WEEK. GOT TO GO C-YA SMILE AN HAVE A NICE DAY :-)))))) - --------------45D73E4C2765 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline To: Ddd From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Date: 28 May 96 13:49:32 -0600 Subject: Re: Bandwagons Message-ID: X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 BL>I have to fully agree. Many of you "readers" have so much crap to say BL>about what is better about yourselves and why you are cooler than the BL>other guy. I'm cooler than everybody. BL>This is about music, not popularity. And I'm so damn popular that nobody likes me. They just feel insecure around me. BL>Who gives a fuck about BL>owning all of their stuff. You buy what you like, not everything that is BL>out by SG (regardless of your tastes). Of course, I bought Soundgarden's first album, because Black Hole Sun's guitar is just SO heavy, and I can't listen to Green Day and NIN around my musically gifted friends. And I can only listen to Hootie and the Blowfish when I'm locked in my room by myself, or my NIN friends will kill me. BL>Big deal. Wake up, and grow up. I grew up once, and it sucked, so I regressed. It's much better this way. In fact, waking up sucks, too. Nothingman -But my balls itch. - --------------45D73E4C2765-- ------------------------------ From: cs95ajs@brunel.ac.uk Subject: digipak thingy I want to know what's going on with this digipak thing! I've been to about a dozen stores, some only have 'jewel' cases (like the one that I bought), some only have digipaks and some have a mixture of the two and all at about the same price! I think someone said that the digipak version was limited to 60,000 - if so then it is probably worth buying one because of it's rarity (somms is 100,000 and how many people have that I ask you?) Anyway - enough of that! Just to jump on the bandwagon :) here are my fav. albums; 1) Superunknown - I got into sg because of this album and it remains my fav. despite close competition. 2) DOTU - is by far the most accessible sg album I have and may well rise to 1 after a little while 3) BMF - simply a brilliant album with amazing songs but new damage and face polution are not up to the standard of outshined, somewhere and searching (list goes on...) 4) LTL - I have never fully got into this album although I recognise that there are some excellent songs - esp ll 5) UMOK - I don't really like this album, to me it sounds a bit too much like experimental rock. Someone wrote that they felt that the band sounded like they were still maturing and learning their trade and I would have to agree with them. Andy ps. thanks to the people who wrote and thanked me for typing up that article - it made it worth doing (I got wrist ache doing it though - typing the article I mean! :) ------------------------------ From: cs95ajs@brunel.ac.uk Subject: another bandwagon - great! OK - I'm in a mailing mood! best moments in sg songs; - - the intro to searching w/ my good eye closed - unbelievable! - - that amazing sliding riff in tdittl which just confounds me - - the whole of mind riot - - the intro to the guitar solo in rhinosaur (the solo itself sucks though) - - the way the chorus seems to break out of the verse on blow up the outside world (I know what I'm going on about) and just about all the ones that everyone else has already mentioned! Andy. Thats three posts in a week - I musnt overdo it! ------------------------------ From: Greg Fox Subject: Defn of a _real_ SG Fan YOU!!!! I have been reading my digest every day, and I am getting sick and tired of people arguing over the definition of a Soundgarden fan. Basically anyone who has any interest in them whatsoever can be considered a fan. Everyone who thought (or thinks) that Superunknown is their first album right up to and including all those that collect every t-shirt and piece of vinyl they can get their hands on. If you like one song, or all their songs, it doesn't matter, you are a fan. If you are going to see them at Lolla at any cost, good for you. If you think it's ridiculous to spend that kind of money just to drive for hours, and end up getting squished in a crowd, well then good for you too. Basically if you are reading this, you show some sort of interest in SG as a band, and in my opinion that makes you a real Soundgarden fan. Comments? Email me. Greg ------------------------------ From: j_crocke@unity.ncsu.edu Subject: today's ATN Soundgarden Debut At #2 On Billboard's Top 200 Less than a month 'til they hit road with Lolla'96. The new Soundgarden album, Down On The Upside, debuted at #2 on the Billboard Top 200 today, with sales of 176,000 copies during its first week of release. It was edged out by the Fugees' red-hot The Score, which sold 180,000 copies during the same period. The album is expected to continue to sell at a solid pace all summer long, as the group plays to 100s of thousands of fans during Lollapalooza '96. The first video off the album, "Pretty Noose," directed by Frank Kozik, is currently receiving serious airplay on MTV. oh yeah, Seth.. "borrow" the picture they have of the band :) jeremy ------------------------------ Subject: Re: glenn's brainchild thread... From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) GS>> Say.. new thread?? Great moments in SG songs??? :)> Grote>> Glenn, you are a gentleman and a scholar and a grandmasta thread starter... i'll take the first applebite... My greatest moment with a SG song is and will always be - the single word "Damn" from Loud Love.. Why, because it is done with raw emotion, with it Chris gives us more of the poetry of love then all the works of romantic writers past, present, and future. GS>> Wow. Sends shivers up my spine every time I hear it. Damn, so do you Dark Man. Jamie ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: sg in atn >The new Soundgarden album, Down On The > Upside, debuted at #2 on the Billboard Top 200 today, > with sales of 176,000 copies during its first week of release. >It was edged out by the Fugees' red-hot The Score, which sold 180,000 copies during the same >period. The album is expected to continue to sell at a solid pace all summer long, as the group plays >to 100s of thousands of fans during Lollapalooza '96. The first video off the album, "Pretty Noose," >directed by Frank Kozik, is currently receiving serious airplay on MTV. however, good for them. i don't watch mtv enough to know, but i guess they're playing it a lot. on a side note, lolla ticket sales are *very* slow -- in toronto so slow that there's talk of them *dropping* the ticket price! (doesn't help that there's a competing festival around the same time). wonder if it'll happen here. and to the person who chastised me earlier, i KNOW it's not happening in yakima -- moved to the gorge. check out the lolla page if you need tour dates. did anyone see chris on the cover of the new rolling stone? i'm going to read it now... i'm stuck at home, sick... ;( ------------------------------ From: Glenn Subject: Great Moments in SG I'm happy to see that many people have responded to the "Great Moments" thread, which I had only half-assed suggested we begin. :)> But I appreciate the response, nonetheless. So, to be only fair, here are my personal favourite moments in SG songs, particularly ones I haven't heard mentioned yet. Bear with me, 'cause there are a ton: 1) the main riff of "Flower", and Chris's vocals, which are just plain neat; 2) the slow build-up to the main riff of "Hands All Over", and Chris screaming "Don't touch me!" as the song begins in earnest; 3) the riff in "Gun", which moves from a slow, vaguely interesting pattern to an infectiously fast cresendo; 4) the intro of "Rusty Cage", and the slow, off the wall break in the middle of the song; 5) the slow break in "Slaves & Bulldozers", just after the solo, when Chris sings in his amazing lower register; 6) those damn drums in "Jesus Christ Pose" :)> ; 7) the "See and Say" intro of "Searching..."; 8) the enormously heavy feel of "Room...", and the nutty tones of "Drawing Flies"; 9) the "I feel the hurt surround me..." section of "Let Me Drown"; 10) the dead stop during "Mailman", during the last chorus, followed by odd harmonic noises and a monster pick slide, as Chris screams "I'm ridin' you" at the top of his lungs; 11) "Head Down", an unsung hero; 12) "Limo Wreck" and "4th of July", arguably two of the strongest songs the band has ever composed; 13) the intensity of "Like Suicide", and the barely-contained intensity of its remarkable acoustic counterpart; 14) Kim's solo in the video version of "Fell on Black Days"; 15) the far from run-of-the-mill guitars of "Pretty Noose", and Matt's wacky drumming; 16) the "heavier" section of "Zero Chance", when, during the second verse, Chris asks us "Why doesn't anyone believe in lonliness?"; 17) "Blow Up the Outside World", as the listener is shoved headfirst, grinning all the way, into the chorus; 18) "Applebite". Spooky stuff; 19) and, last but not least, "Tighter & Tighter"... "and I hope it's a sweet ride..". A sweet ride, indeed; what a song. Well.. thanks for reading that. :)> Take care, Glenn ------------------------------ From: overfloater@bbs.cowland.com Subject: argh.. I knew about Soundgarden being on the cover of the new RIP (keep forgetting to post about that, btw did you all know that Soundgarden's on the cover of the new RIP?) but I didn't know that Chris was on the cover of Rolling Stone. Dammit, I have NO money.:( Isn't that the bitch kitty.. Anyway, if someone wants to tell me how the Rolling Stone review was I'll tell ya about the RIP review.. well, I'll tell you about the RIP review anyway as soon as I dig the magazine back out.. but everyone who has the new Rolling Stone, I envy you:) Oh yah, btw (heheh I just realised that that could stand for both By The Way and Beyond The Wheel) I saw the SNL that Soundgarden was on today. I saw it when it first broadcasted on a lil cheesy TV on a bus coming home from Virginia but it wasn't all that great watching it on a lil one-inch black and white tv, and it was nice to hear it in stereo, and Chris sounded like he hadn't warmed up, I guess. :( Oh well. Burden In My Hand was funky though. - -Champagne. ------------------------------ From: Stella Rogers Subject: SG on aol... Ok, I was like reading this old old old issue of Rolling Stone, (dec 95 to be exact) and there was this interview of CC in there. And one of the questions made me think, is SG subscribed to AOL? Wouldnt that be trippy..anyways here's why I thought that... Q: There was a rumor recently posted on AOL in the Soundgarden folder that claimed you and Susan were having a baby. True? A: No, there's no child on the way. There was also a debate on there about which SG songs I supposedly wrote while on heroin. The big argument was not so much about whether I had ever done heroin, it was an argumen about what songs just HAD to have been written on heroin. Another funny one was someone talkin gin the PJ folder saying that I was married to PJ's manager, Kelly Curtis. And there is actually substancial truth to the rumor that Kelly Curtis and I are expecting a child.[Kelly Curtis is a man.] So how does he know about all this AOL board chat? Theres probably some dude that tells him all that stuff. Oh well. See..wouldnt it bee trippy (for all you people on aol anyways) if anyone from SG was really actually on aol? Ok now that I've dragged on and wasted your time I'll be off now. :) srogers http://www.fix.net/~srogers ------------------------------ Subject: Re: SG on aol... From: seth > Ok, I was like reading this old old old issue of Rolling Stone, (dec 95 to > be exact) and there was this interview of CC in there. And one of the > questions made me think, is SG subscribed to AOL? Wouldnt that be > trippy..anyways here's why I thought that... Actually, that's from the 1994 year-end double issue of Rolling Stone (12/??/94-1/12/95) -- I actually just added it to the Web page today (thanks to Hasswipee). Good stuff. > So how does he know about all this AOL board chat? Theres probably some dude > that tells him all that stuff. Oh well. See..wouldnt it bee trippy (for all > you people on aol anyways) if anyone from SG was really actually on aol? Well, until very recently, the Soundgarden Fan Club had an AOL account (sgkots@aol.com), so it's likely that they checked up on the Soundgarden folder from time to time -- makes sense for the Fan Club to stay on top of what people are saying about the band. seth ------------------------------ From: bald dog Subject: way down beneath the undertow... (oops! that's tool!) On Wed, 29 May 1996, ADDC wrote: > At this local CD store, they are selling Ultramega Ok and Louder than > Love for 8 bucks. I do not own either of these albums but I am debating > whether or not I should get them. I listened to Louder than Love at a > friend's house after purchasing Superunknown and I remember feeling > disappointed. I have never listened to Ultramega Ok so I really dont't its really a bit of a toss-up if you were disappointed by louder than love. I personally don't mind either ltl or ultramega, but there are a lot of people who don't like ultramega because it is pretty different to anything they have recorded since ltl. if you have access to the www, then perhaps you could listen to some audio files on seth's page. but at $8 a pop, you probably couldn't make a mistake in buying either record. personal opinion: louder than love is better. songs like gun and get on the snake rock, and everyone seems to like hands all over. ultramega has some ok material too (incessant mace and beyond the wheel), but their energy is sort of diminished by the mix. you may like both of them, but if you are partial to superunk, then you'll probably like ltl more than ultramega. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Chris Mansfield Subject: Re: Loudest Love onefellswoop wrote: >I remember when they were touring for Loud Love, they toured with Faith >No More and Voivod. And I think they toured with Danzig after that. >It's such a long time ago! Anyway, Kim is ALWAYS wearing a Danzig t-shirt. for the longest time every time i saw a picture of kim or saw him on tv he was wearing a corrosion of conformity shirt. i was beginning to wonder just how minimal his wardrobe really was... :) Chris ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: louder than love... On Thu, 30 May 1996, Stephen Fox wrote: > SOUNDGARDEN to buy, "Louder than Love" make any room you're listening in > seem darker by the end, and "Ultramega OK" will send blood pulsing through does anyone think that since badmotorfinger, the music soundgarden writes and plays has become increasingly darker? I know that sounds kind of obvious to most of us listers, but I was thinking that while louder than love may have a lot of dark song lyrics/topics, the overall feel of the record does not (imho) approach athe darkness, anger or misery of bmf, superunk or dotu (at a stretch). gun, hands all over and ugly truth might be pretty bleak songs, but they don't seem to have the intense drive of mailman or new damage. are they able to sound angrier and more depressed because they learnt how to focus their energy, or is it because their lyrics and music are more...evolved by the time bmf came out? any thoughts? btw to brisbane sommsers, rocking horse is selling truly's ep, with heart and lungs and a couple of other tracks contained, for only $5. I listened to it yesterday, but it was kinda lame. good in parts, but overall it didn't hit me. you'll find it (lee, you bought the album didn't you?) in the 'rocking horse big sale' bin. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Subject: pretty noose and bootleg stuff From: dbradsh@usa.pipeline.com (DeeDee.Bradshaw) ok I am probably about to get majorly flamed for this comment...but here goes anyway...in regards to whether or not "pretty noose" was the best choice for a single...well what better use for that song than to appeal to the masses...it is the cleanest song i have ever heard SG do...totally lacks the raw edge that i love in SG and quite frankly i was disappointed in them when i heard the song...it sounds like they intentionally produced a song the would appeal to the radio listening world... so then, if there is anyone out there that isnt cussing me at this moment, i have a question/favor...if anyone out there has a good copy of "fluttergirl" from poncier or from stolen prayers i would be forever grateful if you would contact me about making me a copy of it...same goes for the TOTD bootleg demo of "black cat" also known as "bullshit" ...i have them both, but they are of questionable quality... thanks... DeeDee Bradshaw-Autry ------------------------------ From: Outshined@aol.com Subject: Re: Digipaks and Jewel Cases . . . >> Did anyone do what I did? >> I took the CD and the Book out of the digipak, put the digipak up as a >> nifty picture, then put the CD in a regular case with the book and used >> my out artwork for the cd case. My roommates think I've become anal >> about Soundgarden . . . >> Mayor McCheese >> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX >> XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX >> "I'm so bad, I kick my own ass twice a day!" -Creeper from Dolemite I was tempted to do this... DOTU is the only digipak i have, so it was kinda annoying having only one case that was different... but for some reason I really like the digipak, so I kept it... one CD I did chance was the new Alice In Chains... it came in that flourescent yellow jewel case, so I swapped it into a standard clear case... that neon glow got annoying real quick!! :) ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: Cop Killer at Lolla '92 "Thomas James Dinzeo" wrote: > > Hello all, > > I saw Soundgarden at Lollapalooza ( I think it was '92, feel free to > correct me if I'm wrong), although I had heard their music before and was a > fan, I didn't really get into them until that show. During the performance > Chris and the band performed Body Count's "Cop Killer". After the song > Chris took Polaroids of the entire audience flicking off the police who > where standing outside the fence watching. Harriet Island (Minneapolis) > filled with the sound of people yelling and applauding. Chris then took a > Polaroid of the audience giving him the bird (What great self-esteem). I > have yet to see another band move or connect with an audience like that. > Oh well, that's my sg memory. Did anyone else see Lollapalooza that year? > Was that something they did every show, or just ours? I'll always remember > that show. I was at Lolla '92 too at The World in Tinley Park, Illinois and SG did Cop Killer, which I thought was so cool, but unfortunately it seemed lost on the crowd that was too busy trampling the lawn into a muddy mosh pit. I don't remember Chris taking any pictures though. Kathie ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: SuperUnknown outranks DOTU? I'm pretty surprised (I don't suppose I should be, though) that so many people think SuperUnknown is a better album than DOTU (or any other SG album for that matter). I'll probably get flamed from here to hell and back for this, but I think DOTU buries SuperUnknown, which I've never much cared for. I mean, I like Mailman, SuperUnknown, and My Wave, but I do alot of skipping when I listen to this one. I agree with whoever said it, its the only one I do alot of skipping on. I also agree that its probably because of the songs being played to death to some extent, but for the most part I just don't care for much of the album. DOTU on the other hand flows together perfectly. I won't go into gushing mode since I did that the first time I listened to it, but this I think is a real masterpiece. For some reason it sounds more like Soundgarden to me than SuperUnknown does. Of course I'm one of those notorious old-timers who has loved the band forever, so what do I know. Does anyone know yet if SG will be doing a solo tour after Lolla? Kathie ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 141] ****************************************