From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 29 May 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 01:24:34 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Wednesday, 29 May 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Re: new metal crap Re: Bandwagons Re: new metal crap Album Rankings & New Metal Crown Crown of Thorns bootleg Re: Digipaks Re: Zero Chance new metal crap Re: JCP video The Promotional Use Only Scam Re: least fav songs Re: Bandwagons, define Re: JCP video Re: new metal crap Re: Digipaks Re: The Promotional Use Only Scam Re: JCP video Re: Don't be a dick... skippin' like it ain't no thang... Re: JCP video Re: STOP glenn's brainchild thread... Re: The Promotional Use Only Scam Re: rankings...week 1 Asians in SG; Digipaks; Flower EP Re: burn the candle deep inside... Re: Don't be a dick... Re: JCP video Re: Bandwagons GNR...DIE! Checkmate..watch machine die Comments Raygun magazine Great moments in SG songs What Down on the Upside means Web page great moments in music bandwagon Re: Bandwagons why i don't like it release order Re: release order led zep and.... USA Today DOTU Article namecalling and arrogance rockline Re: Web page Re: GNR...DIE! Re: Digipaks why, a&m, why? Baltimore Greatest Moments Re: why, a&m, why? The Unsung Writer Re: why, a&m, why? Re: glenn's brainchild thread... Re: What's missing I got the love to hate... soundgarden experience coming out of skewl:) Re: new metal crap please take me back to my toy box... stand up and everyone will see... still I feel I'm sinking... Flower EP red vinyl? first it steals your mind... digipacks; and the album list thing Early Wreck-ords Re: rankings...week 1 Sg rockline pt 2 delete if you don't want my album rankings Re: Great moments in SG songs what flavor.....? ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Robin Brookeneck Subject: Re: new metal crap At 12:39 AM 28/05/96 EDT, you wrote: > >journalist's reference to ultramega ok as 'ultramega so-so.' i take >seth > > ULTRAMEGA SO-SO ????? This is stupid... Robin ------------------------------ From: Bleach Subject: Re: Bandwagons I have to fully agree. Many of you "readers" have so much crap to say about what is better about yourselves and why you are cooler than the other guy. This is about music, not popularity. Who gives a fuck about owning all of their stuff. You buy what you like, not everything that is out by SG (regardless of your tastes). I have SuperUnknown, and DOTU. That is it... No ultramega or anything else. I like the two albums, so i bought them. Big deal. Wake up, and grow up. Bleach - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 27 May 1996, Grant Asher wrote: > Where has this obsession over "bandwagon" jumpers come from? > Does it matter that someone got into sg relatively recently? Is there a > certain cut-off point where a fan is classed as a "newbie bandwagon > hopper". Where does it come? What's the criteria for being a "proper" > fan? Must you have all the albums? Was there a certain date which > you must have been a fan of sg by? > > It's really quite sad that you can think of yourselves as being so > superior for the mere fact that you discovered sg earlier than someone > else. I myself didn't start listening to sg until about 1993. AND, shock > horror, I don't have ultramega ok!!!!!! Should I be publicly struck down > as a non-believer? > > Why don't you all show a little tolerance. This sort of musical > snobbery is hardly productive or interesting. This list was set up to > discuss sg and their music, not to flame people out of some sense of > superiority. Shouldn't you be happy that more people will get into sg as > a result of their new album? > > Grant Asher > ------------------------------ From: Eric Gardner Subject: Re: new metal crap This book reminds me of one of those books that comes out about 2 weeks after some major crime. Hastily produced with questionable intentions. The picture of Kim w/o his beard was interesting, though.:) eric On Tue, 28 May 1996, seth wrote: > has anyone else read chris nickson's 'soundgarden: new metal crown' > and thought it was crap? i'm about halfway though ... ------------------------------ From: mmholliday@attmail.com (Michael M Holliday) Subject: Album Rankings & New Metal Crown Another $.02 on the SG album ranking thread: 1. Superunknown - I think this is the least-skippable album they've put out. I think the arrangement of songs, and the sound is the tightest they've been. This is an all-time classic! 2. Badmotorfinger & Down on the Upside - Both of these are fantastic albums. I like BMF because it has more of a hard edge to it, DOTU because there is a wider variety of music. 4. Louder Than Love - A bit on the heavier side, but SG hasn't been better than on Hands All Over (except for Outshined). 5. Screaming Life/FOPP - As someone mentioned "more fun than Ultramega OK". I definitely agree. 6. Ultramega OK - There are some great moments on this record, but I think overall that SG hasn't totally jelled yet. I'll probably draw fire for this, but I think they sound raw and immature at this point. With regards to New Metal Crown, I read it just before I joined the list last year. To be honest, I'd been listening to SG for a few years, but wasn't reading any articles about them (we all know how worthless reviewers are!), and didn't have MTV, so all I knew was the music. At that time, I thought the book was pretty good. After being on the list for a while, I realized that the book wasn't so hot after all. Now, I think that Nickson just pulled together some readily-available information, and slapped the book together. I think it is an okay introduction to the band for someone not familiar with them, but should be read with a big grain of salt. Javdoctor ------------------------------ From: Eric Gardner Subject: Crown of Thorns bootleg This is pretty trivial, but... On Slaves and Bulldozers, about 6:16 into the track Chris starts singing some of the words to Alive, but when he gets to "while you were waiting home alone at age 13" the next line is "I eat more chicken than a/any man ever seen", which is the Doors, I believe. It sounds like an edit of two different shows to me, anybody have any info? eric ------------------------------ From: Greg Bensimon Subject: Re: Digipaks On Mon, 27 May 1996, Vasant Ramamurthy wrote: > What's up with these digipaks? Are they any more valuable or special than > jewel boxes? I have a digipak, but I didn't even know what it was called, > before reading about it here. Are they really that limited? Yeah, what exactly is so special about the digipak? I got DOTU in a digipak, and personally would have preferred a jewel case. My CDs tend to take a lot of abuse in my truck, and I'm worried that the digipak won't hold up. My guess is that they save the record company $0.05. Greg ------------------------------ From: Greg Bensimon Subject: Re: Zero Chance Excellent observation. I said earlier that I thought the song had a very "Temple of the Dog" sound to it. Is it possible that the idea for the song may have been born out of that project and left unfinished/on the shelf for several years? Greg On Tue, 28 May 1996 oponfam@cnsnet.com wrote: > It struck me tonight that the song Zero Chance may be about Andy Wood. > It was the verse:"I'm thinking of your highness and crying long upon > the loss" > "Highness" could be a reference to drugs and "the loss" is obvious. > What do you think? > Kathie > ------------------------------ From: champagne.supernova@thenexus.com Subject: new metal crap SA>has anyone else read chris nickson's 'soundgarden: new metal crown' SA>and thought it was crap? i'm about halfway though it and i keep SA>realizing that just about everything he says is word-for-word SA>something i've read in a magazine article. he also too easily SA>dismisses soundgarden's earlier efforts, describing as "apt" one SA>journalist's reference to ultramega ok as 'ultramega so-so.' i take SA>issue with the statement that the sst release was just 'so-so' -- i SA>put it right behind badmotorfinger on my list (followed by SA>superunknown, ltl, dotu, and scr/fopp, in that order). ah, whatever. SA>just wondering if anyone else had read it and if so, what you thought SA>of it. i've only read two band biographies in my entire life, the nirvana one and the soundgarden one. i thought the soundgarden one was ok but it really bothered me that almost everything i saw in there i'd seen in some magazine at some point. let's get michael azerrad (or however its spelled) to write a soundgarden biography. - -Champagne. ------------------------------ From: "Limo Wreck" Subject: Re: JCP video > See... this is yet another reason why MTV's > studios should be blown up. And oh... why don't we throw Guns N Roses in there >too... for good measure?). Just a thought... uh oh Shroomy... tryin to piss Perlman off now? hehehe Seth... we'll never forgive ya :) - -- Jeremy Crocker, A.K.A unGod j_crocke@eos.ncsu.edu http://www4.ncsu.edu/eos/users/j/j_crocke/WWW/home.html "somewhere through a thousand blues a dragonfly descends with just a whisper. i'm lonelier than god, and all my wishes spin the fishes in the air and everyone a different shade of you" - "suicide machine", by Hum ------------------------------ From: mansruin@sirius.com (Man's Ruin Inc.) Subject: The Promotional Use Only Scam ....Money makes the world go round... So there are 100,000 copies of "promotional" somms discs out there.Mine has the "fine print" on it as well.There is a reason...a promotional record is listed on company books as being an "officially" no profit item.This means a:The band gets no money,b: Uncle Sam gets no money c:Whoever owns the copyright to the covered songs gets the minimum amount of royalty for use.In the old days these "promotional" records where known as "cut-outs"...they would have a slashed corner(everyone probably has a few oldies like this)...and be sold by the truckload via the back door.So,in effect A&M figured out the cheapest way to sell and profit from a "strange" record that they probably considered too wacky to sell as a "Soundgarden" item,while actually reaping a huge 'grey-market' profit.Also...some recording contracts actually bill the bands profit for the production of promotional items...so there is a good chance that the SOMMS disc was actually paid for by SG themselves.And man,100,000 cd's costs a lot of money...at current prices for manufacture and handling probably about $125,000. Frank Kozik ------------------------------ From: ar303921@student.uq.edu.au (DEFsonic) Subject: Re: least fav songs Hey ya, >the only album I can't listen to all the way through w/o skipping songs is >"superunknown" I usually start it with "fell on" (i.e. i skip the first 2 >songs) and i usually skip "spoonman".... i just don't like those songs. I agree about skipping on Superunk, not the same songs as you, but if there was an album where I don't like EVERY song that much it's Superunk. Every other album gets the full treatment if I skip I feel guilty, but Superunk, I don't mind that much. Could be cause I heard it so offten on the radio or something I don't know. It's never FULLY grabed me like other SG albums, funny considering how it was ment to be THEIR BEST album. I also notice alot of ppl didn't put Louder then Love up high in their listening lists, funny too :) I love it probably more then Superunknown. oh well rambling seeya Lee _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ SONIC E-mail ar303921@student.uq.edu.au Turn it UP and Play it LOUD!! Let the blood rush to your head!! CD I'm listening to this week: "Down on the Upside" by Soundgarden ------------------------------ From: ar303921@student.uq.edu.au (DEFsonic) Subject: Re: Bandwagons, define >Where has this obsession over "bandwagon" jumpers come from? >Does it matter that someone got into sg relatively recently? Is there a >certain cut-off point where a fan is classed as a "newbie bandwagon >hopper". Where does it come? What's the criteria for being a "proper" >fan? Must you have all the albums? Was there a certain date which >you must have been a fan of sg by? Yeah it's a sad state, and annoying. I think a major problem is the definition of a bandwagon jumper. I mean who cares WHEN you heard the band, how early on, what song etc. Sure the ppl in early can just nod there heads and go I told you they where good. But In my opinion and bandwagon jumper is someone who hear's a single, let's say BHS (the orignal overplayed SG song) Doesn't like it, but then it's played over and over, they go hey this is cool. Soundgarden are such a good group, BHS is soooo good. They buy the single. AND THAT'S IT!!! Then while the song is still in heavy rotation they say how much they love SG, but as soon as BHS has left the radio/video shows, the forget all about SG and pick up the next overplayed song/band. never take time to listen to albums, check out earlier stuff and these types of things. These ppl annoy me sooo much, especuially when they come out and say how much they love a band, when they have like one single or something, and don't bother looking for more stuff to listen too. That in my opinion is the bandwagon jumper. I think we have all met one. Not someone who hears the newest song on the radio (even if overplayed) likes it buys the single/album, says 'hey this is a cool group' and goes out and buys the earlier albums or goes looking for earlier/new/info etc from the band. these ppl should be encoraged, and helped into the light :) End of my rave on this subject. seeya Lee _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ SONIC E-mail ar303921@student.uq.edu.au Turn it UP and Play it LOUD!! Let the blood rush to your head!! CD I'm listening to this week: "Down on the Upside" by Soundgarden ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: JCP video >See... this is yet another reason why MTV's studios should be >blown up. And oh... why don't we throw Guns N Roses in >there too... for good measure?). Just a thought... >>uh oh Shroomy... tryin to piss Perlman off now? hehehe Nah, Jerm. If I really wanted to irk Seth, I'd just start talking about Chris' sexy body some more!! Seriously though... Guns N Roses has never been one of my favorite bands. And when they covered "Big Dumb Sex" on "The Spaghetti Incident"... well, I think that's when I started wishing death upon them. Yah, I know... I've already had my little tangent about SG letting them cover the song. But it still makes me want to unswallow everytime I think of it. Axl Rose trying to do Chris' vocals. Was there ANYONE who actually liked GNR's version of the song? If so, please stand up so I can beat you senseless. Seth? Heheheh.... Shroomy "God hates you. He told me." ~ Slow Roosevelt ------------------------------ From: ar303921@student.uq.edu.au (DEFsonic) Subject: Re: new metal crap Hey ya, >i've only read two band biographies in my entire life, the nirvana one >and the soundgarden one. i thought the soundgarden one was ok but it >really bothered me that almost everything i saw in there i'd seen in >some magazine at some point. let's get michael azerrad (or however its >spelled) to write a soundgarden biography. Good point, Bio's are mostly crap unless they are written by someone decent (makes sense don't it) Another writter who I think do a great job is Alec Foege Good writter who really researches his subjects, who are all bands. If he has written something about a band you like, have no doubt it will be informative. Ummm that's about it, Seeya Lee _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ SONIC E-mail ar303921@student.uq.edu.au Turn it UP and Play it LOUD!! Let the blood rush to your head!! CD I'm listening to this week: "Down on the Upside" by Soundgarden ------------------------------ From: ar303921@student.uq.edu.au (DEFsonic) Subject: Re: Digipaks > > >On Mon, 27 May 1996, Vasant Ramamurthy wrote: >Yeah, what exactly is so special about the digipak? I got DOTU in a >digipak, and personally would have preferred a jewel case. My CDs tend >to take a lot of abuse in my truck, and I'm worried that the digipak >won't hold up. My guess is that they save the record company $0.05. Actually I would belive that the digipack would be more expensive, those plastic jewel cases are mass produced so about 2cents each or something. Digipacks would have to have been ordered, designed and extra printing and production. As for what is special, I thought they were ment to be limited edtion, this does not seem to be the case. I bought mine in digi tho cause it was different to a normal jewel case. Just something new to have in the collection, even if it's not that different :) it's still a coolish cover. Now Vinyl covers they had/have some cool stuff :) seeya Lee _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ SONIC E-mail ar303921@student.uq.edu.au Turn it UP and Play it LOUD!! Let the blood rush to your head!! CD I'm listening to this week: "Down on the Upside" by Soundgarden ------------------------------ From: ar303921@student.uq.edu.au (DEFsonic) Subject: Re: The Promotional Use Only Scam >....Money makes the world go round... > >So there are 100,000 copies of "promotional" somms discs out there.Mine has the >"fine print" on it as well.There is a reason...a promotional record is listed >on company books as being an "officially" no profit item.This means a:The band >gets no money,b: Uncle Sam gets no money c:Whoever owns the copyright to >the covered songs gets the minimum amount of royalty for use.In the old Well, it's what I have always expected, now at least the truth is out. I think what is a bigger scam tho is, when record companies release an album then 6 months later release a 2nd bonus limited CD only sold with the album, usally live tracks and the like. Much like BMF/SOMMS. When it comes out FIRST with the album and all the fans snatch it up, that's much better. instead of milking the profits for every cent. Just damn annoying buying an album twice. Didn't know the band may have to pay for the cd production, that seems a bit steep!! anyway seeya Lee _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ SONIC E-mail ar303921@student.uq.edu.au Turn it UP and Play it LOUD!! Let the blood rush to your head!! CD I'm listening to this week: "Down on the Upside" by Soundgarden ------------------------------ From: ansel@morgan.com Subject: Re: JCP video The JCP video was never actually banned from MTV, according to CC. Apparently, the network felt SG were not buzz-enuff to warrant 5+ minutes of airtime. -Vikki ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: Don't be a dick... GS>Don't be a dick is right. I think the "ripping" of the "newbie" in question GS>totally unjustified. Unfortunately, it happens too often on this list. I think it's kinda weird that no one has ever critisized me. I joined the list, posted like hell, and even said I never even heard of Soundgarden until just before Superunknown, but yet I never got one of these messages...I feel deprived. Just remember, it's too late now, I have all the albums, and don't even like Black Hole Sun much. ;) GS>Yeah, there's a FAQ. But, like many others here, ON THE LIST, I didn't read GS>damn thing until 2 months after joining SOMMS. I don't look at the page much, because I don't have much time. Besides, maybe these people can't get to the web. I know I couldn't until the beginning of this year. Nothingman -Got Mad? ------------------------------ From: jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu (grote) Subject: skippin' like it ain't no thang... > On Mon, 27 May 1996, grote wrote: > > > album, but like jeremy said, there are definitely skippable tracks on > > it. oddly enough, i find myself doing the exact same thing...starting > > with "black days" and playing through until "spoonman," which i skip. > > in a lot of cases I agree with skipping (does that sound funny to > the rest of you?), huh huh huh...yeah... blind dog skips...what a geek. :) > but I can't understand how you could skip let me drown > and my wave. come on grote, fess up. you don't really skip those songs, > do you? you are surely missing out two of the best songs soundgarden > have recorded if you are willing to jump over them. the absolute wall of > guitars in let me drown. chris' screaming vocals fighting matt's bass > drum. the shifting rhythm of ben's bass in my wave. kim's backwards > guitar melody. how could you?? I'm crying already :) ok, ok...let me explain. i assure you that i have given every single track on superunknown more listens than almost any song on any other album in my collection. superunknown is a GREAT record. I probably agree most with glenn (as i will profess later) in that i skip the first two tracks more because i don't really like my wave. it just doesn't appeal to me musically...yeah, it's got an interesting stutterstep rhythm but the music just doesn't do anything for me. there isn't the interesting layering of multi-rhythm guitar parts that i love about other sg tunes...just two parts one octave apart. sorry. :) let me drown is a great song, but not great enough to keep me from getting to my beloved black days...:) the overall rhythm of the verses strikes me as a bit boring, although i'll admit that the breaks in the song are nothing short of brilliant...there's about four separate songs going on in the last 1/2 of let me drown, which is what makes it interesting to me, so i guess i'd be less apt to skip the track if i could get right to that good schtuff. again, sorry. :) i have fessed. and it was good. now quit yer bawlin', you big blind baby dog. :) later... - -- ######################################################################## # GROTE!!!!! "I don't remember half the time # # If I'm hiding or I'm lost # # jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu But I'm on my way....." -Chris Cornell # ######################################################################## ------------------------------ From: Nate Crosswhite Subject: Re: JCP video At 10:40 AM 5/28/96 -0400, ShRooMGrLz@aol.com wrote: >And when they covered "Big Dumb Sex" on "The Spaghetti Incident"... >well, I think that's when I started wishing death upon them. Yah, I know... >I've already had my little tangent about SG letting them cover the song. But >it still makes me want to unswallow everytime I think of it. Axl Rose trying >to do Chris' vocals. Was there ANYONE who actually liked GNR's >version of the song? If so, please stand up so I can beat you senseless. It is entirely possible that GNR was the band that Chris had in mind when he wrote Big Dumb Sex, and Axl just didn't get it. He just sounds like he means it too much when he sings "I'm gonna fuck you". Nate ------------------------------ From: "Mercyhurst Prep Library" Subject: Re: STOP On 27 May 96 at 15:08, Ben Timberlake wrote: > Just stop it. Quit the flaming. If you can't say something nice, don't > say anything at all, or at least keep it off the list (thanks for that > last part, thumper). > I'm not gonna just sit here and read people flaming each other just > because they need someone to be mad at. We're a community and we share a > common interest. Here, here! You've got my vote! I said this not so long ago! Good heavens, dear fellow listers, some of us just came back from a loing weekend (merry memorial day to you all) and download 152 messages and find out some sort of shit hit the fan while we were gone! Whta Ben says is what we all must keep in mind--we are a COMMUNITY, and we share a common interest. That's why we're all here, isn't it? > Let's focus on those aspects which make us alike, rather than those that > make us different. If not, I'm gonna hunt each one of you flamers down > and rip your freakin' throats out. (oh shit, that was sorta mean). I take > it back. If you keep doing it, I'll hunt you down and give you a very > stern talking-to. All this back biting is crap I thought I left behind when I burned out on the YES scene, tho in being philosophical about the whole thing, I suppose when people are involved, no matter what the band, you're going to run into old timers who flame away in impatience at the newcomers. Peoples, like Frank said, we're ALL new to something at somepoint. This list should be a place where new Sg fans can turn to for info and answers to questions! I'd also like to add a little something, and if it sturs up flames, so be it....in reading over all this stuff that went on over the weekend, and also I thinbk something came up last week....someone on the list said that you're only a true Sg fan if you run out and buy every single thing that there is--every release, every b-side, ever rip-off CD boot, etc. I don't agree. In myself I see a pattern where, at first, I do feel I have to buy everything....but as the collection grows, I come to my senses and I get picky about what i buy or trade for. Why, to be a true fan, does someone HAVE to own it all? Where is that written? To pull that thread back into the original thought of this post--New fans or fans w/ small collections should be able to come to this list and ask "what shgould I buy next? What's worth spending money on?" Anyone agree, disagree or care to add to it? btw, I personally own bmf, su, and dotu and a few cd singles. I prefer to collect magazine articles, actual photos and live video. In short, mia cara, we each have preferences...to each his own. That's what makes us individuals...but a common interest pulls us all together! ti amo! deb ------------------------------ From: jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu (grote) Subject: glenn's brainchild thread... > definitely doesn't deserve to be skipped. :)> It contains one of the > greatest moments on the album... where Chris sings "I feel the hurt > surround me, please dissolve me, she's resolved to be...". He then, > as many of you know, proceeds to scream as Kim launches into a guitar > solo. Wow. Sends shivers up my spine every time I hear it. point taken, glenn my friend. (see my "skippin'" post for further justification.) :) > Say.. new thread?? Great moments in SG songs??? :)> glenn, you are a gentleman and a scholar and a grandmasta thread starter... i'll take the first applebite... wow, where do i begin...i don't have my cd player in front of me so i can't give actual playing times on my favorites, but i'll give it a shot... - - the chorus of "beyond the wheel"...consider the upside of my head officially whupped. :) - - the quiet break about 2/3 into "ugly truth" with kim's dark chording and chris' quiet vocals, leading up to "anyway-ee-yah-ee-yay..." - - the entire intro to "loud love" right up to the drum entry...dark as all get-out... - - the "dueling guitars" intro to "rusty cage"...how could you not include this?!?!? also the first melody break of "slaves and bulldozers" when ben locks in the bass groove and kim kicks in with the guitar anti-harmony up in the unholy levels of the register... wow - - the instrumental break about halfway into "jesus christ pose" beginning with chris' "jeeezuz christ pose" when the guitars go into a two-chord "wakka wakka DUH DUH" rhythm, and the following progression right up to the bar after "bury you rich" (i think that's what it says) - - of course, the quiet break in "searching..." beginning with "stop you're trying to bruise my mind" all the way up to my eternal sig quote..."see below" :) - - the lead guitar breaks in "black days," "4th of july," "superunknown" and "like suicide..." orgasmic. what else can i say??? if there's one thing i'll say about superunknown, it's that kim was at his absolute finest from a soloing standpoint. unbelievable. - - the intro of "fresh tendrils..." so simple it hurts, but damn, it's too catchy to ignore - - the chorus of "burden in my hand..." chris' catchiest work to date. - - kim's harmonic wanking in the last 1/3 of "never the machine forever..." billy corgan, take note...this is how it's done... - - there's a number of moments in "tighter and tighter" and "overfloater" that just floor me, but i'm not familiar enough with the songs yet to point them out...but for me the "i wanna make it right" and "sleep tight for me" vocal lines are mesmerizing. there's also a break in "blow up..." that's completely different from the rest of the song that i just love (sorry...again, i can't remember exactly where it is) - - oh yeah...i always find myself hopping around the room during the instrumental break about 3/4 (i think) into "show me" where ben goes into a little funky bass progression and the guitars kick in with a little wanky part...cool schtuff. well, i've taken up my share of bandwidth so i'm gone... later... - -- ######################################################################## # GROTE!!!!! "I don't remember half the time # # If I'm hiding or I'm lost # # jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu But I'm on my way....." -Chris Cornell # ######################################################################## ------------------------------ From: Mayor McCheese Subject: Re: The Promotional Use Only Scam On Tue, 28 May 1996, Man's Ruin Inc. wrote: > was actually paid for by SG themselves.And man,100,000 cd's costs a lot of > money...at current prices for manufacture and handling probably about > $125,000. Thank you SG for footing the bill . . . it was worth it. However, nothing but shame to A&M for being money grubbers. It made me buy BMF three times. > > Frank Kozik And a hoorah to Frank for being the first celebrity on the list (that we know about). I suggest the "lurkers" (if any) come out. Mayor McCheese XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX "I'm so bad, I kick my own ass twice a day!" -Creeper from Dolemite ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: rankings...week 1 AL>Ok first thing I can't believe how low people are putting Superunknown. I'll agree with this. I think Superunknown was one of the best albums ever. But I would have to say that Badmotorfinger and Louder than Love might take over Superunknown's spot on my list, if I made one. I can't decide, so shoot me. AL>Second I can't believe how high Ultramega OK is, Chris can't sing yet, AL>wail loudly yes, sing no (check out how much better Beyond the Wheel is AL>live now then on record). I think they have got better by leaps and bounds, but I still like Ultramega OK. I mean, it's still better than any Green Day. But I love All Your Lies, Mood For Trouble, and Smokestack Lightning (even though it's not theirs, it still kicks ass) as well as a few others that I can't remember right now because my tape player exploded and I haven't listened to it forever. I don't think I would've appreciated Ultramega OK as much as I do now that I can't listen to it. AL>I think that Soundgarden has progressively got better as performers and AL>writers with each album hence. I think they have also. But you wouldn't see them writing the songs from Ultramega OK now. I would love to see them re-record those older songs, and still put as much energy into them. Nothingman -Soundgarden would have to be Sour Cream and Bar-B-Q potato chips. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Asians in SG; Digipaks; Flower EP VM>Well, they still are, ya know, Kim _is_ the guitarist. He's Asian-Indian. VM>Yeah, there's confusion about the proper terms for oriental/asian/indian, VM>or whatever, but anyway, Kim would still rock anyway, no matter what race. Shouldn't you add gorilla or something...I mean, he HAD to get that beard from somewhere. :) VM>What's up with these digipaks? Are they any more valuable or special than VM>jewel boxes? I have a digipak, but I didn't even know what it was called, VM>before reading about it here. Are they really that limited? I haven't seen a regular CD yet. Just digipacks. And of course mine had the little tooth thingies that hold the CD in place all broken off when I opened it. Dammit my luck sucks hell. VM>How much should I pay for the Flower EP? Is it worth getting, just for "Toy VM>Box"? I've seen a new version for $8, and a used version for $4. What do VM>you guys think? I keep thinking that some day I'll get around to buying that, but it hasn't happened yet. I really do like Toybox, though, and I guess it would sound better on CD than on a dubbed tape. But I'm poor, and stupid, but I won't get in to that just yet. Nothingman -I brake for sweet corn. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: burn the candle deep inside... GS>I've never really been an admirer of "My Wave", but "Let Me Drown" GS>doesn't deserve to be skipped. :)> I LOVE Let Me Drown. When I'm happy, it just rocks, and when I'm depressed, it still works as a great depressing song. GS>It contains one of the greatest moments GS>the album... where Chris sings "I feel the hurt surround me, please dissolve GS>she's resolved to be...". But I always thought (and still sing), "I feel the hurt surround me, please dissolve me, cheese is good too." Hey, Cheese Is Good is the ultimate answer to everything, why wouldn't Chris use it. I mean, he usually isn't THAT deep, but I wouldn't put it past him. :) GS>He then, as many of you know, proceeds to scream GS>Kim launches into a guitar solo. Wow. Sends shivers up my spine every GS>time I hear it. And Matt has like 3 arms in this song. He's doing all that cool drum shit, but all the while he's riding that cymbal. I'd like to see that one armed bastard from Def Lepard do that. GS>Say.. new thread?? Great moments in SG songs??? :)> How about great moments in Glenn Miller songs? I have a recording of Volga Boatmen, where the lead trumpet cracks a note like hell. It made me feel much better about screwing the shit outta my solo in marching band. Nothingman -Ok...Soundgarden can't be potato chips, they'd have to be Iced Tea. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: Don't be a dick... GS>> and chris, the list has > 500+ members now. :) GS>Wow... Congratulations, all.. we broke 500. GS>So.. who's hosting the "kegger" once we hit 600??? :)> Hahahahaha... Maybe someone should call Kim. I'll do keg stands with him. Nothingman -And if Kim passes out first, we all get to shave his beard! ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: JCP video SH>>I know someone already answered the question about the JCP SH>>video and the images of a crucifixion that were too much for SH>>MTV to show 5 years ago. SH> Yah, that was too much for MTV show... but why were they able to show SH>that stupid Madonna video that had her making out with a preacher, and SH>burning crosses and shit? And then there's that new George Micheal video. Fastlove or something like that. And they wouldn't show that little scene where the lady's dead in Pretty Noose. Mr. Frank, you should be kickin' some ass for this one. SH> Oh, and I still say that it doesn't look like Chris has any fuzzies SH>(mustache & goatee) when he's hanging upside down in the video. He's got fuzzies, dammit! I know it! I SAW them. SH>~ Yah... where the hell is Nothingman? Come out, come out, wherever you SH>are!! Hmmm... you know what people? I'm starting to suspect something. SH> Nothingman has such a weird schedule... he'll post alot for a few days, and SH>then disappear for awhile. Nothingman... you're REALLY Chris Cornell, aren' SH>you!! Admit it!! Heheheh... Yeah, I was busy recording an acoustic Birth Ritual for a Tribute to Hootie and the Inhale Vigourously-fish. SH>"Push push push till we get some motion..." ~ Chris Cornell (or should I say SH>NOTHINGMAN!!!!) Kick kick kick till he starts spittin' up blood, and then kick some more! Nothingcornellman The Internet Version of Gun... -I've got an idea of something we can do with a keyboard. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: Bandwagons BL>I have to fully agree. Many of you "readers" have so much crap to say BL>about what is better about yourselves and why you are cooler than the BL>other guy. I'm cooler than everybody. BL>This is about music, not popularity. And I'm so damn popular that nobody likes me. They just feel insecure around me. BL>Who gives a fuck about BL>owning all of their stuff. You buy what you like, not everything that is BL>out by SG (regardless of your tastes). Of course, I bought Soundgarden's first album, because Black Hole Sun's guitar is just SO heavy, and I can't listen to Green Day and NIN around my musically gifted friends. And I can only listen to Hootie and the Blowfish when I'm locked in my room by myself, or my NIN friends will kill me. BL>Big deal. Wake up, and grow up. I grew up once, and it sucked, so I regressed. It's much better this way. In fact, waking up sucks, too. Nothingman -But my balls itch. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: GNR...DIE! SH> Seriously though... Guns N Roses has never been one of my favorite SH>bands. And when they covered "Big Dumb Sex" on "The Spaghetti SH>Incident"... SH>well, I think that's when I started wishing death upon them. Yah, I know... SH>I've already had my little tangent about SG letting them cover the song. Bu SH>it still makes me want to unswallow everytime I think of it. Axl Rose tryin SH>to do Chris' vocals. I don't think Axl was trying to sound like Chris, because he already said that Chris had a way superior voice, but he probably started admiring Soundgarden when they toured together, even if he doesn't admit it. So it's kinda just his tribute to Soundgarden. SH>Was there ANYONE who actually liked GNR's version of the song? I heard it before I heard Soundgarden's version. In fact, this is what made me go out and buy Louder Than Love. I must say that Chris blows Axl away on that song, but Kim just inches past Slash. I still think Slash is a kick ass guitarist. SH>If so, please stand up so I can beat you senseless. Beat me! BEAT ME! I've been bad, I deserve it! Nothingman -Rearrange the letters in Axl Rose....Oral Sex. ------------------------------ From: ADDC Subject: Checkmate..watch machine die I bought Down On The Upside the Tuesday that it came out. I remember walking away from the Best Buy where I bought it, not really aware of what was going on because it was so early in the morning. As I entered my truck, I looked at DOTU. I had the new Soundgarden album. I HAD THE NEW SOUNDGARDEN ALBUM. I then let out a holler which half the parking lot saw. Well, I love Down On The Upside. Like Superunknown, I needed to listen to DOTU a couple of times to "get" it. I haven't checked out the last 4 or 5 songs yet but hearing the other tracks on the album, I am very impressed. This album simply rocks me. On their last album, most of the songs were dark and heavy. Kickstand and a couple of others were the only songs that had this great Rock and Roll aspect to it. You can take your pick on DOTU however. Has any song kicked as much ass as Ty Cobb? Has SG ever played this song live? Man, if they did, that crowd must have been blown away. Right now, it is hard to pick the best song on DOTU. A song that has really got me hooked is No Attention. I love this song to death. The first half of the song is awesome but what gets me is when they slow it down. It is simply the best. Whenever I hear Applebite I think of Stanley Kubrick. It's weird I know. That song puts me in the mood of his movie A Clockwork Orange. I can't explain it. I also picture Chris, Kim, Matt, and Ben sitting in the chairs in an empty school auditorium when I listen to Applebite. Rhinosaur is great. I disagree with posters who feel that this one of the weaker tracks on DOTU. It is one of the best. Also, another sound that I want to comment on is Never Named. When I listened to this song, I was too lazy to look in the lyric book to see what exactly Chris was saying on that song. You know that line.."I'm just a baby who looks like a boy"..? I thought Chris was singing.."Miss America looks like a boy". It does sound like it! That's all I have for now. - -Vincent ------------------------------ From: dao5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Comments Sommites, Haven't been able to get to a computer for a few days so here are my comments on previous posts. First off I have to agree with whoever said that seattle is really laid back, (I live in vancouver when I am not at school) but I just think that they are more racist towards hispanic people then blacks and asians. People just think they can be openly racist towards thease people and get away with it. The sad part is the usually do, needless to say being in my U.S. history class juniour year in high school often made me sick. The diversity at sg shows isn't great however as opposed to Metallica shows I have gone too where everyone is looking at me funny, at a sg show everyone just seems glad to meet someone who loves sg, and isn't saying "when are they going to play bhs" I love sg shows just something about screaming btw at the top of your lungs wuith thousands of other people. Hmm... my copy of somms says promotional copy not for sale too. Hmm.... Boot camp is a fucking incredible (pardon mon francais) it's such a powerful song and the ending just augments that. Btw at the beginning of tdittl if you listen through head phones you can hear chris breathing and I assume what is his guitar pick tapping on the top string of his guitar. My sg album rankings: 1) Superunknown (imho the greatest musical masterpiece they have ever written Limo wreck c'mon a rock song in 15/8 I can still can't comprehend how matt doesn't screw up playing that) 2) Dotu I think because it's new but overfloater and boot camp and zero chance just have a effect on me. 3) Bmf 4) Louder than love 5) Ultramega Ok 6) Screaming Life/ Fopp Just checked the MTV home page pn has yet to be added to the heavy rotation so don't worry about the teeny bopper onslaught just yet. Besides I was one of those bhs bandwagon jumpers. Bhs peaked my intrest, fourth of july made me stay. Clown ------------------------------ From: ADDC Subject: Raygun magazine To everyone out there, please be sure to pick up the new Raygun magazine. It has a great Soundgarden cover with all four of the boys on a couch looking right at you. There is also a two page article in there which is one of the most interesting things I have read in a long time. The comments that Chris makes about the whole Seattle scene then and now are fascinating to say the least. Check it out. Raygun magazine. Thank you. Now back to our show. - -Vincent ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: Great moments in SG songs > Say.. new thread?? Great moments in SG songs??? :)> > > Take it easy, > Glenn In Slaves & Bulldozers, when Chris wails "So bleed your heart out" I can feel it from my head down to my toes. I also love the guitar riff in Dusty. Kathie ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: What Down on the Upside means I know we've about talked this subject to death, but every time I hear the phrase in Dusty I try to figure out how to put my idea into words and I'm having a hard time. It definitely is a positive phrase. I think its supposed to be like the flipside of the phrase "its been an uphill climb", like the long hard climb is over and they're "down on the upside". "Over the hump" so to speak. Anyway, I love this song. If this makes sense to anyone let me know. Also, does anyone have any idea what Overfloater is about? I love the song, but don't have a clue what he's trying to say. Kathie ------------------------------ From: Grant Asher Subject: Web page Just a suggestion, but how about we get a photo gallery on seth's (or someone else's for that matter) of everyone on somms. We could al just send scanned photos in. I do feel that it gets a bit detached sometimes if you have a conversation with someone via email and you don't even know what they look like. Oh, BTW, would the new person whose post caused so much controversy please post again just to let us all know that you don't hate all of us. Grant Asher ------------------------------ From: "Limo Wreck" Subject: great moments in music my fav moments in Soundgarden music: - -the "jesus is my friend" chorus in 'slaves and bulldozers' on the motorvision video. Or just the whole damn song... i'd rather listen to that anyday before i listen to the studio version. - -"i awake" on the Louder than Live video. Chris just seems kinda depressed so he puts lots of emotion into this song. - -"full on reprise".. lots of soul, emotions coming out in the music. - - Kim's solo in "like suicide"... i just love it. Seems to punctuate the feelings that Chris is expressing. - - "she's a politician" and "she like's surprises"... i just love these songs. Punk rythm with changing time signatures, heavy guitars. thats all for now.. :) - -- Jeremy Crocker, A.K.A unGod j_crocke@eos.ncsu.edu http://www4.ncsu.edu/eos/users/j/j_crocke/WWW/home.html "somewhere through a thousand blues a dragonfly descends with just a whisper. i'm lonelier than god, and all my wishes spin the fishes in the air and everyone a different shade of you" - "suicide machine", by Hum ------------------------------ From: don Subject: bandwagon I AGREE I HAVE NOT SENT ANY COMMENT'S BUT I SURE GET ALOT OF JUNK AND VERY LITTLE THAT IS REALLY ABOUT SG. THEY ARE A GOOD BAND BUT NOT THE GREATEST BAND EVER !!!!!!!!! JUST MY .02 CENTS AND MAY NOT BE WORTH THAT MUCH!!! :-)) C-YA ------------------------------ From: Bleach Subject: Re: Bandwagons ahahha.... nice reply... :> - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- bleach bleach@primenet.com On 28 May 1996 rc@gcc.cc.md.us wrote: > BL>I have to fully agree. Many of you "readers" have so much crap to say > BL>about what is better about yourselves and why you are cooler than the > BL>other guy. > > I'm cooler than everybody. > > BL>This is about music, not popularity. > > And I'm so damn popular that nobody likes me. They just feel insecure > around me. > > BL>Who gives a fuck about > BL>owning all of their stuff. You buy what you like, not everything that is > BL>out by SG (regardless of your tastes). > > Of course, I bought Soundgarden's first album, because Black Hole Sun's > guitar is just SO heavy, and I can't listen to Green Day and NIN around > my musically gifted friends. And I can only listen to Hootie and the > Blowfish when I'm locked in my room by myself, or my NIN friends will > kill me. > > BL>Big deal. Wake up, and grow up. > > I grew up once, and it sucked, so I regressed. It's much better this > way. In fact, waking up sucks, too. > > > Nothingman > > -But my balls itch. > ------------------------------ From: "Limo Wreck" Subject: why i don't like it ok... i've taken some heat for not liking Superunknown that much. I shall explain my reasoning... :) "Let me drown" and "my wave" sound like everday rock songs to me. Yes, I know they may have the "piss off" attitude... but they sound too shiny. The first day i listened too those songs, i just thought they were too "poppish" (thanks shroomy). Those songs didn't seem like they fit anything else Soundgarden had played up to that point. It sure as hell didn't seem like a natural progression from "badmotorfinger". I've always liked the more riff based (i like metal ok?) Soundgarden songs. They seem to have more power with them and aggresiveness with them. Obviously my fav songs on "superunknown" are "Limowreck", "4th of July", "day i tried".. and my fav song is prolly "head down" (there's a shocker). done for now, jerm - -- Jeremy Crocker, A.K.A unGod j_crocke@eos.ncsu.edu http://www4.ncsu.edu/eos/users/j/j_crocke/WWW/home.html "somewhere through a thousand blues a dragonfly descends with just a whisper. i'm lonelier than god, and all my wishes spin the fishes in the air and everyone a different shade of you" - "suicide machine", by Hum ------------------------------ From: "Limo Wreck" Subject: release order Am i the only one to notice this...? It seems that Soundgarden always releases their more "radio-friendly" songs... agreed, "pretty noose" isn't too radio friendly, but it is compared to some of the other songs on the album. And if "burden" is the second release, its all over. On Superunknown, they released "spoonman", "black hole sun" and "my wave" and "fell on".. they all seem like songs that could be potential releases... btw, "the day i tried" was released as well, but radio couldn't resist playing "black hole sun" instead, so that was the next video release. The darker songs, "mailman", "limowreck", and "4th" are all better imho, but i don't think they have much potential to be releases either. Badmotorfinger is another example. the first release was "jcp".. but it was shot down pretty soon, so they released "outshined" (i think this is the right order).. again, another song for the masses. Next, was "rusty cage".. not exactly a radio song, but yet a catchy tune. My favs on that album were "slaves", "searching" and "room 1000 years wide" just giving you people something to think about :) jerm - -- Jeremy Crocker, A.K.A unGod j_crocke@eos.ncsu.edu http://www4.ncsu.edu/eos/users/j/j_crocke/WWW/home.html "somewhere through a thousand blues a dragonfly descends with just a whisper. i'm lonelier than god, and all my wishes spin the fishes in the air and everyone a different shade of you" - "suicide machine", by Hum ------------------------------ From: Nate Crosswhite Subject: Re: release order At 04:36 PM 5/28/96 -0400, you wrote: >Am i the only one to notice this...? > >It seems that Soundgarden always releases their more "radio-friendly" songs... >agreed, "pretty noose" isn't too radio friendly, but it is compared to some of >the other songs on the album. And if "burden" is the second release, its all >over. Maybe I don't understand what you are getting at, but it seems to me that the purpose of releasing songs (as singles, which is what I assume you are reffering to) is to get them played on the radio. Therefore, choosing the songs most likely to get played is a prudent course of action. Or am I missing the point of your post? Nate ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: led zep and.... well, the uncool, newbie sg fan here... face it: the new album *does* have decided led zep influences. it also has decided influences from EVERYONE from the dead boys to the stooges to the ramones to johnny cash. in other words, it's a rock and roll album. all rock and roll is derivative... it all derives from one chuck berry chord it's what you do with it and how *you* the musician/band interpret that and mix the influences which makes things interesting which is why DOTU, as much as it has the above-influences, sounds nothing more like a sg record. because they interpret and mix and slosh and mush their influences together like no one else. caryn, who has soundgarden, patti smith, ani defranco and david bowie on the same home page (along with pearl jam, of course, which REALLY makes me lame) ------------------------------ Subject: USA Today DOTU Article From: nephend@usa.pipeline.com (nancy e phend) Don't know if anyone is interested but here is the review from the USA Today newspaper on Down On The Upside: "SOUNDGARDEN GETS 'DOWN' TO POWERFUL BASICS Soundgarden, credited with expanding heavy metal's bound- aries, returns to brash and basic hard rock on its fifth album, Down On The Upside (*** out of four), out today. By dispensing with special effects, Upside downplays the uproar of Superunknown, 1994's innovative dazzler. The Seattle band's shift to gritty, gut-instinct rock is a perfect appetizer for summer's hard-rock feast, led by Lollapalooza's four-headed monster or rock: Metallica, Soundgarden, Rancid and the Ramones. Less fanciful and experimental than Superunknown, Upside compensates with sucker-punch immediacy and sonic v'erit'e that strips the music to its garage-level essence. For a band that's pushed the genre's envelope, the retreat is a letdown alleviated only by musical muscle, especially the ferocious wail of Chris Cornell. Fueled by his trademark depression and fury, the 16 songs pulsate with pessimism, tone and tempo shifting abruptly from darkly introspective to darkly explosive. Suicidal tendencies temper the rhythmic turbulence on Tighter and Tighter ("Everything is black," Cornell intones) and Blow Up The Outside World, a primal rock purge. In Zero Chance, Cornell declares he's "bound to die alone." And Pretty Noose finds him dwelling on bonds that imprison rather than liberate the heart. Aside from sundry flourishes -- piano and Moog snythesizer on the creepy Applebite, mandloin on Ty Cobb and trance-inducing guitar on Switch Opens -- Down on the Upside sticks to the basics, with the downbeat aimed squarely upside your head." Music Review by Edna Gundersen I've read worse reviews but I've also read better. I also have an article from US Magazine that's even longer and more critical than this, if anyone is interested I would be happy to post it, just let me know (I've got to get a scanner!) nephend ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: namecalling and arrogance i'm going to do this publicly... since jerm insists on continuing it publicly.. you know, jerm, when you wrote to me off list and asked me about some seattle bands who were going to be appearing in your area, did i flame you for not knowing who they were? did i tell you you were an idiot for not knowing who the fastbacks were, even though they have been around for about 15 years? no, i wrote back and told you taht they ROCK and that you should go see them. because i don't think you were uncool or an idiot for not knowing, and i was really thrilled to hopefully be able to turn you onto a band you knew nothing about. (sound familiar) re: bandwagon jumping not that most of you care, but i run a mailing list for the artist patti smith. (NOT patty smythe from scandal, but patti smith, the punk/poet from the 70's). anyway, i have been a patti fan from like day ONE and i even titled my homepage after one of her songs and i have been waiting what feels like FOREVER for her to come back to music after leaving it in 1979. anyway, so i had this little mailing list, and suddenly she's like EVERYONE's idol, and i have 16 year old clueless r.e.m. fans joining the list who only know about her because michael stipe says she was his idol, etc. and what do i think about it? i think it is GREAT. i think that it ROCKS that a tremendous artist, one of the most influential artists in the history of rock and roll, who was way before her time, is FINALLY getting recognition. and i feel the same way about getting new sg fans. yeah, there are always idiots who like a band because they are cool to like or go see a show because it's the big show in town. but there is nothing that can be done about it... i dont' think someone is going to join a mailing list unless they realy, really, really dig the music and want to learn more about it. *shrug* - --caryn ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: rockline did anyone tape this? if so, please email me -- i'd like to trade for it or otherwise get a copy thanks - --caryn ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Web page From: seth > Just a suggestion, but how about we get a photo gallery on seth's (or > someone else's for that matter) of everyone on somms. We could al > just send scanned photos in. I do feel that it gets a bit detached > sometimes if you have a conversation with someone via email and you > don't even know what they look like. Good idea! I'll put it at http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/list/ and call it the Member Directory. Let's see if we can't get 100 people by the end of the day. seth ------------------------------ From: Glenn Subject: Re: GNR...DIE! > I don't think Axl was > trying to sound like Chris > because he already said > that Chris had a way > superior voice, but he > probably started admiring > Soundgarden when they > toured together, even if > he doesn't admit it. Well, just out of general interest... Axl may or may not admit it, but Slash has. I read an article around the time "The Spaghetti Incident" was released, in which Slash said that G N'R was just jamming on "Buick Makane" and it just transformed into the ending of "Big Dumb Sex". Slash says they decided to keep the ending because, and I quote, "We love Soundgarden". I respect Slash as a musician (and yes, sorry Kim, HE is my favourite guitarist), so I completely believe that he's a Soundgarden fan. In fact, I'm sure that if you were to ask one of the boys in SG, they'll tell you that he hung out with them backstage... Slash just seems to be cool that way. :)> Take it easy, Glenn ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: Digipaks I believe there were only 60 000 digipacks made, so they are limited edition. Isn't that correct? Someone? Geoff ------------------------------ Subject: why, a&m, why? From: seth Anyone looked at the A&M website recently? Perhaps "No Attention" was written about Soundgarden's label? This is what the site says: "Soundgarden have just finished recording there follow-up to 1994's multi-platinium release "Superunknown". The upcoming self-produced LP was recorded at Studio Litho and bad animals in Seattle. Stand by for for a more gritty sounding album. "We want noise on this album" states guitarist Kim Thayil. The as-yet-untitled album will be released May 21" It's the same fucking thing that's been there for months. Do you get the feeling they just don't care? Soundgarden's increasing use of the Net as a marketing and communication tool is somewhat undermined by the label's lack of support... seth ------------------------------ From: dao5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Baltimore Sommites, Question, is anyone on the list live in the baltimore area? I am curious because I am going to be there this weekend and am wondering are they any good stores to pick up sg boots, and other sg rarities. Like the pn 45 Clown ------------------------------ From: Stella Rogers Subject: Greatest Moments Some greatest moments, on DotU anyways, for me would be: 1. On "Tighter & Tighter" where chris sings, "A sucking holy wind/will take me from this bed tonight..." I don't really know why I like that so much but I just LOVE it. 2. I also like the intro to PN, with the guitar and cymbal...at least thats what I think those are. And yeah there are lots more great moments on this album and their other albums but right now I can't really think of them off the top of my head. Speaking of all these "censored" vidoes, with images of crucifixition and dead people, what about that Tom Petty video with Kim Basinger. I forget the name of it but you know what one, where he's dancing with Kim and she's suppose to be dead. I remember that video was definetly on heavy rotation when it first came out. That's got some weird necro-theme to it, but they didnt ban it. But they edit the dead chick on the PN video? I bet if the dead devil lady would have been some big star like Sharon Stone or something they would have had no problem with the scene. srogers http://www.fix.net/~srogers ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: why, a&m, why? >It's the same fucking thing that's been there for months. Do you get >the feeling they just don't care? Soundgarden's increasing use of the >Net as a marketing and communication tool is somewhat undermined by >the label's lack of support... Did you ever think, Seth, that they don't need a decent web page, because there's already one being operated? C'mon... why would they waste their time and money trying to compete with the unofficial page? You've already done all their work for them!! Just a thought... Shroom ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... *** Chris Cornell | |.| |.| |\./| "She drinkin' my JackDaniels |\./| and smokin' all my weed" .\ |\./| /. ~~Andy Wood, MLB \-.\ |\\.//| /.-/ \--./\ |\\.//| /\.--/ \--.| \ |\\.//| / |.--/ \---.|\ |\./| /|.---/ \--.|\ |\./| /|.--/ \ .\ |.| /. / _ -_- \ \\ // / -_- _ - -/_/_/- | | -\_\_\- - /_\ ------------------------------ From: DEAN CAMERON Subject: The Unsung Writer Everybody seems to be talking about how Chris Cornell is the "writer" in = SG and how his stuff is always the coolest. It's not that I want to argue that Chris isn't talented he is a legend, = but credit where credit is due. 'An Unkind' is one of my favourite songs on DOTU and Ben Shepherd has = shown that he too can churn out not only a good song but a fucking = awesome chorus! Three cheers for Ben huh... How about it ------------------------------ From: rea47935@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu (Raul Agrait) Subject: Re: why, a&m, why? Seth and everybody else: why dont you go to the A&M comments site at: http://www.amrecords.com/mail1.html and tell them how you feel. I told them to devote space and to have current info on SG. I dont want to sound clicheish (sp? is that a word???) but maybe if a lot of us did this they would stop paying no attention and update the site. whatever. - -Hasswipee - who has too much time on his hands and bitches to anybody about SG >Anyone looked at the A&M website recently? Perhaps "No Attention" was >written about Soundgarden's label? This is what the site says: > >"Soundgarden have just finished recording there follow-up to 1994's >multi-platinium release "Superunknown". The upcoming self-produced LP >was recorded at Studio Litho and bad animals in Seattle. Stand by for >for a more gritty sounding album. "We want noise on this album" states >guitarist Kim Thayil. The as-yet-untitled album will be released May >21" > >It's the same fucking thing that's been there for months. Do you get >the feeling they just don't care? Soundgarden's increasing use of the >Net as a marketing and communication tool is somewhat undermined by >the label's lack of support... > >seth > > Hasswipee's Home Page http://pegasus.cc.ucf.edu/~rea49625/ ------------------------------ Subject: Re: glenn's brainchild thread... From: tonerkin@usa.pipeline.com (Tonerkin) To: jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu (grote) Subject: Re: glenn's brainchild thread... From: tonerkin@usa.pipeline.com(Tonerkin) X-PipeUser: tonerkin X-PipeHub: usa.pipeline.com X-PipeGCOS: (Tonerkin) X-Mailer: Pipeline USA v3.4.0 >Say.. new thread?? Great moments in SG songs??? :)> - - That pause, Chris says "fuck off" and than they go into the really fast part of Gun. - - Let me second for the dueling guitars in Rusty Cage _ The first lines of Mailman; "Hello don't you know me... very scary - - The beginning of Burden in my Hand sticks in my head frequently - - I also vote Ben's madolin playing on Ty Cobb! Also to answer Kathie about Zero Chance being a reference to Andrew Wood. Just last night as I sat and read the lyrics again for the umpteenth time drug use came to my mind . I was just dying to sit down and get high (just kidding) "I'm thinking of your highness and crying long upon the loss" maybe Chris has a thing for Princess Diana and feels so bad for her toubles with Prince Charles!! :-) Toni ------------------------------ From: melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net Subject: Re: What's missing At 12:18 PM 5/25/96 -0400, Limo Wreck wrote: >>I've been into sg since the release of Black Hole Sun a couple of years ago >and >so far my collection consists of: > >ok..... before i make any comments on this person.... lets look at his >collection.. > >> Louder than Love >> Bad Motor Finger (is that one word??) > >IS THAT ONE WORD?!?!?! ... oh boy... > >> Superunknown >> DOTU (best yet, probably) >> BHS single >> Fell on Black Days single feat Kyle Petty >> Fell on Black Days single feat Girl U Want >> Basketball Diaries album (Blind Dogs) >> Pretty Noose single feat snakebite etc > >isn't that APPLEBITE... > >> I would be eternally grateful if anyone could point out what I'm >>missing and how I can get my hands on this stuff. > >Last time I checked, they were called record stores... I don't know what you >call 'em. Oh yeah.. take some time and read up on Soundgarden... they have a >great website at http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/ run by the one and only >Perlman. Obviously, you have already found it cuz you subscribed to this list. > >>I've also got my eye on >>the sg Motorvision video, is it worth buying ( silly Question I know ), >>and are there any other videos available in the u.k.? > >like I said before.. READ UP... then post. > >jerm, the official newbie-moron welcomer.... WHAT THE FUCK? Goddammit, I think it's cool that someone actually got into SG as a result of BHS. And you have to go around ripping them because they don't know every single FUCKING THING about SG...that's goddamn lame. Remember, there once was a time when you knew jack shit about SG, too. To the person who originally posted the 1st message: Welcome. Yes BMF is one word. Have a good one. Gregg ____________________________________ | | HEAVY ROTATION-- | http://www.cybercomm.net/~melusk2 | "Down on the Upside" | melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net | --Soundgarden |____________________________________| "Another motherfucker down the drain" --C. Cornell ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: I got the love to hate... On Mon, 27 May 1996, Sean McCarthy wrote: > 4-Badmotor-Sorry, I was a bit let down after LTL changed my > life. It grew on to me though. 'Mind Riot' and 'Searching > with my good eye' are still kick ass songs. this sure is a low ranking for badmotorfinger, sean. you should listen to it a little more or something :) for me, this is the most unskippable soundgarden album by far. from start to finish it kicks my ass. when I first heard it, I didn't really like much of the second side, but once I listened to it a couple more times (and my music tastes moved away from buttrock), the sheer heaviness and rhythm hit me. and it is now songs that aren't 'soundgarden classics' that I love. stuff like holy water, new damage and room a 1000 years wide floor me every time I put it on. play it a couple more times, and let it grow a little more :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: champagne.supernova@thenexus.com Subject: soundgarden experience coming out of skewl:) today i was walking out to my car, excited about the prospect of listening to down on the upside on the way home and also thinking about the ever lovely band teacher, mr. champagne (who has a brother who's really into soundgarden, dammit kev why didn't you tell me about him before?) when i thought i heard some familiar music, perhaps coming from a house or car or something. i hear dah nah nah, ROWR, dah nah nah, ROWR, dah nah nah ROWR, and im thinking to myself, hey that sounds like my wave, who the hell in lansingburgh listens to soundgarden though besides me? and it was VERY faint and VERY hard to tell that it was my wave and i was amazed that i could hear it/tell it was sg:) then i heard the telltale chorus, that bassline, dah nah nah nah nah nah nah, and i'm pacing the parking lot listening to it, probly looked like a moron, but i could care less:) we were getting our marching band picture taken on saturday and i guess we all looked really pissed off (and who could blame us, just coming out of a parade, we all still had those stinky uniforms on and we just wanted to go home) and mr. champagne sez, "come on, look happy, this isn't soundgarden." hehe:) well, that was pretty dumb and all, so im sorry, and if you want to flood my mailbox with stupid stories about soundgarden and your band teacher feel free, - -Champagne. ------------------------------ From: jsharp@nwlink.com (fisto) Subject: Re: new metal crap >has anyone else read chris nickson's 'soundgarden: new metal crown' >and thought it was crap? i'm about halfway though it and i keep >realizing that just about everything he says is word-for-word >something i've read in a magazine article. he also too easily >dismisses soundgarden's earlier efforts, describing as "apt" one >journalist's reference to ultramega ok as 'ultramega so-so.' i take >issue with the statement that the sst release was just 'so-so' -- i >put it right behind badmotorfinger on my list (followed by >superunknown, ltl, dotu, and scr/fopp, in that order). ah, whatever. >just wondering if anyone else had read it and if so, what you thought >of it. > >seth On the KISW interview on the night of the Rockline thing, the interviewer asked if they ever thought of putting out a book about themselves or anything, and Chris says "Yeah we're working on one right now, it's called New Metal Crown. We basically got a bunch of articles about us and put in the interesting things" (or something like that, this is as well as I can recall) really sarcastically. I don't think the interviewer guy got it at all, because he says something like "Yeah, title is important" and went on to change the subject. Basically, for a short summary of this message, the members of the band don't like the book either. I would put a line there, but my return (enter) button doesn't work, in case you were wondering "why doesn't that stupid guy use his return (enter) button more? from now on I am deleting his posts. what a dork." fisto!! "Mrs. Hoover, I glued my head to my shoulder" Quoth the family Simpson ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: please take me back to my toy box... On Mon, 27 May 1996, Vasant Ramamurthy wrote: > How much should I pay for the Flower EP? Is it worth getting, just for "Toy > Box"? I've seen a new version for $8, and a used version for $4. What do > you guys think? sounds like a good deal to me. flower is great, and head injury aint bad. as for the bside toy box, I really like that song. to me, its better than head injury, and probably better than a lot of the stuff off ultramega (and as good as a lot of sp bsides). its kind of haunting, and chris sings some pretty interesting lyrics. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: stand up and everyone will see... On Tue, 28 May 1996, Greg Bensimon wrote: > Excellent observation. I said earlier that I thought the song had a very > "Temple of the Dog" sound to it. Is it possible that the idea for the > song may have been born out of that project and left unfinished/on the > shelf for several years? its hard to say whether zero chance would be a song from that era (are sg old enough to have different eras?) matt's approach to the drums on that track are a little different to most of dotu, but he's a good drummer, so I can't hold that against him :) during a radio interview chris and ben did here in 1994, chris said that the band (or he does, at any rate) likes to record songs in capsules, where each record represents what the band sounded like at that particular time. so that sounds like they don't leave songs lying around too much. but on a bootleg I have (possibly crown of thorns) he says during a break between songs that 'we're gonna play old, old songs all night' and then they proceed to play face pollution, from their most recent album bmf. so who would ever know? btw, the lines 'all the sky went silent, cracked like glass and slowly tumbled to the ground' remind me of the lyrics to black by pearl jam. anyone else see that? ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Outshined@aol.com Subject: still I feel I'm sinking... bl>> but I can't understand how you could skip let me drown bl>> and my wave. come on grote, fess up. you don't really skip those songs, bl>> do you? you are surely missing out two of the best songs soundgarden bl>> have recorded if you are willing to jump over them. the absolute wall of bl>> guitars in let me drown. chris' screaming vocals fighting matt's bass bl>> drum. the shifting rhythm of ben's bass in my wave. kim's backwards bl>> guitar melody. how could you?? I'm crying already :) I'm with the dog on this one... skipping Let Me Drown????? ?? ?? ? Blasphemy!! :) I think it's one of their most powerful songs, and the best opening track to any of their albums (even better than Noose, but Rusty Cage is a DAMN close second..... well... maybe... ... ...damn. I'll stop thinking about it before I reconsider... :) ------------------------------ From: Outshined@aol.com Subject: Flower EP >> How much should I pay for the Flower EP? Is it worth getting, just for "Toy >> Box"? I've seen a new version for $8, and a used version for $4. What do >> you guys think? Depends on how badly you feel the need to own every CD Soundgarden puts out... :) if you like UltraMega OK then you'll definately like Toy Box... I got mine for $6, so $8 isn't a terrible price... if the used one is in good shape, then I'd recommend it... KVN ------------------------------ From: Gardena@aol.com Subject: red vinyl? did I read that post right? out of the 400 or so people there was only 3 people who own copies of the PN single on red vinyl? Myself,seth and Ray...this just cant be right! I know I have seen others on the list saying they "just picked up" the single..and then listing thier #'s!!! oh well I guess it's not important to that many people! HUH! bye, Dena There gonna tell you where to walk when to smile and just what to say They say have your own fun Make your own mind and don't make no waves and I'll pay no attention ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: first it steals your mind... On Tue, 28 May 1996, Limo Wreck wrote: > "Let me drown" and "my wave" sound like everday rock songs to me. Yes, I know > they may have the "piss off" attitude... but they sound too shiny. The first > Those songs didn't seem like they fit anything else Soundgarden had played up > to that point. It sure as hell didn't seem like a natural progression from > "badmotorfinger". chris said in an article with rip (?) that he felt let me drown was the link between the guitar wall of bmf and the variety of superunk. I can see why you would say my wave is different, but let me drown is more like bmf than about a third of superunk itself (imho). btw, does anyone hear chris singing 'head high like a song you like' at the end of head down? ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: jsharp@nwlink.com (fisto) Subject: digipacks; and the album list thing First of all, I thought they made digipacks so they would be more durable. I have about 12 million broken jewel cases (way to go, club hands) and I thought, good I won't break this one. But then; danger strikes. As soon as I am about to listen to the CD, I drop it on the floor (about 2 feet down) and the CD flies out of the d-pack (abbreviations make you seem like you know what your talking about) and on to the floor. I put it in and its fine but I broke the d-pack. The part that holds the CD (that little circle). So I don't believe that their made for durability anymore. My favorite records- 1)---Superunknown- probably because I haven't played it as much as every other one because I only have it on tape- oh yeah, i think it has some good songs on it-------------------2)Badmotorfinger--- because it is a really good album____3)Down on the Upside- this is probably a tie with Badmotorfinger because I haven't listened to it too much yet, next week it'll be there---______4)Ultramega OK---- I like this album side one is the best I listen to it when shoveling rotten hay_____5) Louder than love ------ I don't really like the lyrics all that well, but I like Gun a lot I didn't rate Screaming Life because I don't have Fopp and I haven't listened to it in really long time (my machine is dead) f i sto!! "And now for my favorite part of the show... what's that say? Talk to the audience time? Oh no, this is always death. " Simpson family thus hath been quothed ------------------------------ From: melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net Subject: Early Wreck-ords Okay, this is just a question I thought of, and it's kinda rhetorical. I just thought I'd share it with you guys, just cause yer so special. Do you think that with the popularity of SG's last 3 albums (DoTu, SuperUnknown, BMF) that SST and Sub Pop have seen a serious swell in album sales for early SG albums (due to listeners turned onto SG buy the aforementioned albums)? Okay, it's kinda long winded. Sorry. Gregg ____________________________________ | | HEAVY ROTATION-- | http://www.cybercomm.net/~melusk2 | "Down on the Upside" | melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net | --Soundgarden |____________________________________| "Another motherfucker down the drain" --C. Cornell ------------------------------ From: melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net Subject: Re: rankings...week 1 Okay, my turn to rank the albums: 1)Superunknown (yeah, I know it's a "bandwagon" album, but it fucking kicks ass! One of the 5 best rock albums of all time!) 2)Down on the Upside 3)Badmotorfinger 4)Louder than Love 5)Screaming Life/Fopp (2 EPs=1 album?) 6)Ultramega OK Gregg ____________________________________ | | HEAVY ROTATION-- | http://www.cybercomm.net/~melusk2 | "Down on the Upside" | melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net | --Soundgarden |____________________________________| "Another motherfucker down the drain" --C. Cornell ------------------------------ From: "Thomas James Dinzeo" Subject: Sg Hello all, I saw Soundgarden at Lollapalooza ( I think it was '92, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), although I had heard their music before and was a fan, I didn't really get into them until that show. During the performance Chris and the band performed Body Count's "Cop Killer". After the song Chris took Polaroids of the entire audience flicking off the police who where standing outside the fence watching. Harriet Island (Minneapolis) filled with the sound of people yelling and applauding. Chris then took a Polaroid of the audience giving him the bird (What great self-esteem). I have yet to see another band move or connect with an audience like that. Oh well, that's my sg memory. Did anyone else see Lollapalooza that year? Was that something they did every show, or just ours? I'll always remember that show. Until later, Paul aka MOGW ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: rockline pt 2 oops... what i was really looking for was the rockline from last night with mike mc cready & jerry cantrell. and i've gotten an offer for it (i hope) but if you have it and can help me, write! - --caryn ------------------------------ Subject: delete if you don't want my album rankings From: Ben Timberlake 1. Badmotorfinger: two words - Mind Riot 2. Down On The Upside: Novel, Diverse, most mature album yet 3. Superunknown: Very nice production. Can't escape songs like TDITTL and Like Suicide (and Half, still one of my favs) 4. Louder Than Love: Still a great album. A couple rough spots 5. UltramegaOK: Also a great album. My friend said "what an awful song" after Incessant Mace. I really like the way screams/chokes "mace" . . . well incessantly to finish off the album. -- Ben Ben Timberlake "The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est, Northwestern University Pro patria mori." Medill School of Journalism -- Wilfred Owen btimlake@nwu.edu -30- *Check out my dorm's web page!* http://www.stuaff.nwu.edu/crc/ "They say if you look hard / You'll find your way back home Born without a friend / And bound to die alone." -- Chris Cornell, "Zero Chance" ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Great moments in SG songs From: Ben Timberlake >> Say.. new thread?? Great moments in SG songs??? :)> >> >> Take it easy, >> Glenn 3. Matt's tumbling drums just before the chorus on "SWMGEC" 2. That guitar riff on Zero Chance 1. second time chris yells "Pouring Down Wind" in mind riot. Have you ever heard such emotion, such control at this level? -- Ben Ben Timberlake "The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est, Northwestern University Pro patria mori." Medill School of Journalism -- Wilfred Owen btimlake@nwu.edu -30- *Check out my dorm's web page!* http://www.stuaff.nwu.edu/crc/ "They say if you look hard / You'll find your way back home Born without a friend / And bound to die alone." -- Chris Cornell, "Zero Chance" ------------------------------ From: Gardena@aol.com Subject: what flavor.....? 'if soundgarden were a potato chip, what flavour would they be?' I think the joke should have read( for shroom's enjoyment) "If Chris( Cornell, haha shrrom) was a potato chip, what flavor would he be? btw, that is a joke. do not reply. it was definitely a joke. on to other topics! I was just scanning the channels and I came across the new metalica vid...on ya you know who! you guessed it mtv. I only cought the end of the video and here's all my thoughts on it 1. did Chris start a trend when he cut off his hair? it just seems like everyone who had long hair has gone short.( all of Metalica! just to name a few) 2.If this video can get airplay why can't JCP??? and lastly, 3. it just seems to me that the video could double for Pretty Noose. all the imagery regarding Eve,Adam ( if you think that Pn is about Eve and all) just my mindless gibberish that I needed to share with all ( what 500!) of you! whiteout! Dena :)~ ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 139] ****************************************