From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 28 May 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 02:16:01 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Tuesday, 28 May 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: The Unofficial Truly Home Page Re: SOMMS hybrid / Pretty Noose vinyl / 'Rockline' Re: SOMMS hybrid / Pretty Noose vinyl / 'Rockline' hype! M arketing T he V oid? newbie Re: M arketing T he V oid? rock that geetar... hmmmm... superskippedsongs rankings...week 1 Bandwagons Clever Clogs RE: PN and biblical stuff... Re: Don't be a dick... Just General Sorta Stuff Re: Don't be a dick... Re: Don't be a dick... STOP newbies etc. Re: Don't be a dick... who else will get mad at me? Re: rankings...week 1 DotU lyrics least fave songs blow up SOMMS hybrid / flaming Re: rankings...week 1 something in "boot camp" several DOTU ramblings... Into The Upside burn the candle deep inside... ...and out your mother whatsoever I've eaten... Re: ...and out your mother this & that... New URL RE: PN and biblical stuff... Kim on DEVO RE: PN and biblical stuff... harvest the gold... JCP video Re: rankings...week 1 Re: burn the candle deep inside... Re: Don't be a dick... Top 20 and AOL... Rankings-DOTU Asians in SG; Digipaks; Flower EP new metal crap Re: JCP video Re: new metal crap SOMMS Zero Chance ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Justin Akehurst Subject: The Unofficial Truly Home Page To anybody and everybody... If you are at all interested in what Hiro Yamamoto's up to, I encourage you to check out the Unofficial Truly Home Page at http://www.eburg.com/~akehurst/truly If you would like to chat about the band, there is a channel called #Truly on the undernet that is open to everyone interested. My nick is RulzC. I am also trying to get the channel registered, so I would like to get as many people as I can interested in making this channel a reality. - -Justin Akehurst RECOMMEND THE TRULY HOME PAGE admin, Unofficial Truly Home Page TO EVERYBODY. LETS GET THIS http://www.eburg.com/~akehurst/truly BAND RECOGNIZED! ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: SOMMS hybrid / Pretty Noose vinyl / 'Rockline' I noticed today that my copy also has the tiny print which reads" For Promo use only. Not for sale ...blah blah blah..." My discs do say "disc 1" and disc 2". I'm wondering if there are any that do not. Somebody mentioned a while back that he/she had a copy that was a radio station promo, and if I remember correctly it was somehow different. Anybody? Geoff ------------------------------ Subject: Re: SOMMS hybrid / Pretty Noose vinyl / 'Rockline' From: seth > I noticed today that my copy also has the tiny print which reads" For > Promo use only. Not for sale ...blah blah blah..." My discs do say "disc > 1" and disc 2". I'm wondering if there are any that do not. Somebody > mentioned a while back that he/she had a copy that was a radio station > promo, and if I remember correctly it was somehow different. Anybody? I had originally responded to Ray's post and agreed with him that his copy of BMF/SOMMS was a hybrid, but I take it back. After reading Geoff's response, I looked at mine and SOMMS does indeed have "For Promotional Use Only - Not For Sale" printed in it. I bought it new, so I imagine all copies must be like this... seth ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: hype! hi everyone, tonight i saw the seattle premiere (and the first *public* screening) of the documentary called "hype!"... some of you may have read about it, it got some press when it debuted at the sundance film festival cuz eddie showed up for the screening and played at the party with the fastbacks. anyway -- they showed it tonight as part of the seattle international film festival and i have to say that it was *GREAT*! finally, a movie about seattle that talked about the scene as it really is and all the great great bands that are here that most people never hear about -- the fastbacks, the young fresh fellows, seven year bitch, gashuffer, tad, screaming trees, etc. of course, the 'bigger' bands are mentioned (and the point of this post of course) -- kim and matt are interviewed quite frequently during the film, and there's some live footage from the 94 tour (not from seattle, however). kim and matt mostly talk about fame, and the price of fame, and getting big, and what it means, and how most of the bands just got together to play music because it was fun, and suddenly, they became "big". susan silver is also interviewed several times, articulate as usual, talking about how her office at one point refused to answer questions like "what is the grunge scene REALLY like?", and how the only thing that really disgusted her in the whole media hype was the "grunge goes vogue" fashion spreads. (i'd have to agree) the sg live footage shows a gorgeous chris, sweaty and bathed in blue light (that' was for you, shroomy). number was 'searching with my good eye closed'... *excellent* sound and for once the sound at a rock movie was actually LOUD enough! it was really one of the most intense parts of the film. jack endino was interviewed, talking about working with the band, recording "nothing to say" and how HEAVY they were and how he just couldn't believe how intense they sounded also, charles peterson (the sub pop photog) was interviewed a few times, showed some gorgeous early pix i hadn't seen of the band. finally, they also had *film footage* from the self-pollution radio broadcast, nice to see the inside of pj's studio, showed snippets of sg walking around, along with pj and krist novoselic... some very poignant, well-spoken interview footage of eddie as well... the bad news is, they have no distribution deal domestically, as the 'seattle scene' is considered 'old news'... which is too bad, because it has a wider, larger message as well. the good news is, there *will* be a soundtrack on sub pop... what will be on it exactly is still up in the area and contingent on what kind of distribution they (finally) get. if this movie plays in your area -- larger cities with rep houses, keep your eyes peeled! -- it is an absolute must-see for any sg fan for any local people, they are showing it again june 6 at midnight, but it may be sold out already -- we got on line *45* minutes before it started (and this is after buying tickets the second day they went on sale, about two weeks in advance!) and the line was already huge. this is the reason that i can't tell you if anyone interesting was there, because the best seats left by the time we got in were in the front row -- i forgot my glasses, so i couldn't sit further back... the last thing i'll mention is the absolute RUSH i got when they went into the sg footage -- i suddenly remembered how i felt seeing them for the first time two years ago. *sigh* which means i'll be at the gorge... 'night - --caryn ------------------------------ From: B Rogers Subject: M arketing T he V oid? OK, this is it. I've been quiet about this, but now I've got to speak out. Limo Wreck, you're exactly right. I can't stand all these people that are like "I was watching MTV for 8 hours straight and then I saw Soundgarden! Oh No! Are they becoming mainstream?" If you fucks are so against being mainstream, then why do watch MTV at all? The only time I watch MTV is to take aadvantage of them (ie when the bands I like come out with a new album and suddenly become "cool") If you see a Fugees video and think Fugees suck, why watch it and say "this video sucks" why not change the damn channel. I will undoubtedly be flamed till my dying day for this post. Oh, well. (Some of this was a personal attack at some of you members of the list, some of it was just bitching about what too many people I know do.) Thanks. B Rogers On Sun, 26 May 1996, Limo Wreck wrote: > ok.. something is starting to annoy and disturb me on this list. As often as > you people say you dislike eMpTyV, you could go on and on about "the real > world". Why is this.... have some of you found nothing better to do at night > than to watch "real world" re-runs? > And you actually remember if you have seen certain episode or not... gimme a > break. > > thats right all you sommites, i'm gettin a bit more vocal, and it feels good. > > "bow down before the one you serve, > your going to get what you deserve" > > -- > > Jeremy Crocker, A.K.A unGod > j_crocke@eos.ncsu.edu > http://www4.ncsu.edu/eos/users/j/j_crocke/WWW/home.html > > "somewhere through a thousand blues a dragonfly descends with just a whisper. > i'm lonelier than god, and all my wishes spin the fishes in the air > and everyone a different shade of you" > - "suicide machine", by Hum > ------------------------------ From: Stuart Davies Subject: newbie I also think the 'newbie' welcome was extremely rude I am from Britain and was fortunate enough to be from an area with several good record shops and in the BMF era managed to buy just about everything that in my eyes was worth having I am one of the British people to have somms or the singles club 7" but my point is most British people are no where near as lucky. When I visit a town I have not been to before I often check out the local record stores and to call the SG situation bleak is an understatement I am sure some of you can appreciate this but some of you are lucky too and probably completely missed this. In answer to the Motorvision question it is worth having but you should be able to get it for less than 10 quid I have seen it in HMV sales for 7.99 so hold out if you can and it is significantly more than a tenner. Assuming the Bangor in your email address is the one in North Wales the SG situation is dire the nearest place to find SG stuff is Manchester or Dublin! Stuart Davies ------------------------------ Subject: Re: M arketing T he V oid? From: tonerkin@usa.pipeline.com (Tonerkin) On May 27, 1996 08:18:51, 'B Rogers ' wrote: >I can't stand all these people >that are like "I was watching MTV for 8 hours straight and then I saw >Soundgarden! Oh No! Are they becoming mainstream?" Any one who would watch MTV for 8 hours must be brain dead!! ------------------------------ From: jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu (grote) Subject: rock that geetar... > This question is mainly directed to all the guitarists on the list, but if > you know the answer, feel free to respond.... > > I was playing around today, and I just happened to play something like this: > > - ------------------------------- > - --2---2---2---4b---4b---------- > - ------------------------------- > - ------------------------------- > - ------------------------------- > - ------------------------------- > b=3Dbend > > I'm pretty sure this is part of a SG song, but I'm not sure which one, BTW, > it's in standard tuning(the way I played it sounds right that way). i don't have any of my six-strings in front of me at the moment, but i do believe that could be something like thayil's little intro to one of the breaks in "my wave." i think it's about 2/3 into the song, right before ben goes beserk on a descending bass progression...i think i remember playing that in standard tuning on the b string with a bend similar to that... like this... (normally i don't work with TAB, but i'll make an exception... :) ) (b string) ---2-4b-4---2-2-2-4b-4--- ...could be wrong, like i said i'm just guessing (like always :) ) later... - -- ######################################################################## # GROTE!!!!! "I don't remember half the time # # If I'm hiding or I'm lost # # jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu But I'm on my way....." -Chris Cornell # ######################################################################## ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: hmmmm... Y'know what I was just wishing for peoples? Ok... besides Chris Cornell's sexy body. I wish I had a CD JUST of Chris' vocal tracks. That would be *rad*. I'm tired of straining to hear his voice over the music. Don't get me wrong... I do love the music. But my favorite intrument in the band is Chris' voice. So maybe someday (after I win the lottery, of course) I can buy copies of the dats of Chris' vocals. Would that be possible? Sorry, I'm music industry ignorant. So shoot me. I think Burden is one of the best songs on the album, 'cuz his vocals just shine through. Am I babbling yet? Yah, I 'spose so. Ok, I'll try to get some sleep before I post again. This insomnia crap is getting just a little out of hand. Shroom ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... *** Chris Cornell | |.| |.| |\./| "She drinkin' my JackDaniels |\./| and smokin' all my weed" .\ |\./| /. ~~Andy Wood, MLB \-.\ |\\.//| /.-/ \--./\ |\\.//| /\.--/ \--.| \ |\\.//| / |.--/ \---.|\ |\./| /|.---/ \--.|\ |\./| /|.--/ \ .\ |.| /. / _ -_- \ \\ // / -_- _ - -/_/_/- | | -\_\_\- - /_\ ------------------------------ From: jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu (grote) Subject: superskippedsongs > the only album I can't listen to all the way through w/o skipping > songs is "superunknown" I usually start it with "fell on" (i.e. i skip > the first 2 songs) and i usually skip "spoonman".... i just don't like > those songs. > > jerm i'll be the first to agree here...(even though it's not hip to agree with jc since he beat up a "newbie..." :) oh well, i can see both sides of that issue and i'll deal with that some other time) anyway, i was telling my girlfriend the same thing a few days ago. superunknown is regarded in many circles as one of the finest rock masterpieces of all time. i would definitely agree that it is a great album, but like jeremy said, there are definitely skippable tracks on it. oddly enough, i find myself doing the exact same thing...starting with "black days" and playing through until "spoonman," which i skip. after that, i play up to and skip "kickstand," then to "half," also skipped, and finish out the record. i don't always do this, mind you, because i have always been a firm believer in the fact that truly great albums are put together with a sense of continuity in mind...each song is placed in a certain position for a certain reason. the album that pops in my mind here is "dirt" by aic. that album (one of my all-time faves, btw) was considered to be a "drug record," documenting the trials, tribulations and successes of a user. (the band even stated this in numerous interviews) the original version of the album came out with songs in a particular order, but later versions were changed because it apparently was not the order that aic wanted. (i think "down in a whole" was moved, and maybe one other song) anyway, i also agree that dotu is a virtually unskippable album. i think "no attention" is the only track that i've found myself saying "eh...that's ok." the rest are masterpieces. (strangely enough, i understand that "no attention" was going to be on badmotorfinger...see following paragraph to see why i consider this strange...) as for other sg albums, i think badmotorfinger is still the king of unskippability (coming soon to a dictionary near you :) ). there isn't a track on that album that i can skip without later bursting into tears of guilt and rushing back to skip back to it. well, i'm getting weird, so i'm getting this mother gone... :) later... - -- ######################################################################## # GROTE!!!!! "I don't remember half the time # # If I'm hiding or I'm lost # # jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu But I'm on my way....." -Chris Cornell # ######################################################################## ------------------------------ From: jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu (grote) Subject: rankings...week 1 well, i've been listening to dotu for a full week now, so it's time for the inevitable comparison to other sg masterworks...here's my assessment... GROTE'S SG RANKINGS, STARDATE 1 WEEK A.D. (fter own on the upside) :) 1. Badmotorfinger 2. Down on the Upside 3. Superunknown 4. Louder than Love 5. Ultramega OK 6. Screaming Life/Fopp 3 & 4 are virtually interchangable...i had a lot of trouble making a decision there, but my utter hatred for ties forced me to bite the bullet and choose. i'm basing my rankings on the overall quality of the album and how all of the songs complement each other as well as how good each tune is individually. i honestly can't skip tracks on badmotor and dotu (not yet on this one, anyway), while i can pick out ones i can do without on the others. NOT MANY, mind you, but it is possible. keep in mind that being number six on a sg list still means that you are well ahead of any competitor from virtually all other bands on the face of the planet. (although sugar and morphine could definitely bump their way in there) :) comments??? (as if i have to ask) :) later... - -- ######################################################################## # GROTE!!!!! "I don't remember half the time # # If I'm hiding or I'm lost # # jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu But I'm on my way....." -Chris Cornell # ######################################################################## ------------------------------ From: Grant Asher Subject: Bandwagons Where has this obsession over "bandwagon" jumpers come from? Does it matter that someone got into sg relatively recently? Is there a certain cut-off point where a fan is classed as a "newbie bandwagon hopper". Where does it come? What's the criteria for being a "proper" fan? Must you have all the albums? Was there a certain date which you must have been a fan of sg by? It's really quite sad that you can think of yourselves as being so superior for the mere fact that you discovered sg earlier than someone else. I myself didn't start listening to sg until about 1993. AND, shock horror, I don't have ultramega ok!!!!!! Should I be publicly struck down as a non-believer? Why don't you all show a little tolerance. This sort of musical snobbery is hardly productive or interesting. This list was set up to discuss sg and their music, not to flame people out of some sense of superiority. Shouldn't you be happy that more people will get into sg as a result of their new album? Grant Asher ------------------------------ From: "J.Molton" Subject: Clever Clogs Hey Bleach, Thanks for pointing out that DOTU stands for Down on the Upside, I guess STFO stands for state the fucking obvious, oh yes and for your information GSYHIABOS also stands for go stick your head in a bucket of shit. Bye for now, Jon ------------------------------ From: Chris Farley Subject: RE: PN and biblical stuff... I can't think of a better example of a 'Pretty Noose' than Eve. A well packaged bad Idea.... - ---------- From: caryn rose[SMTP:clr@nwlink.com] Sent: Friday, May 24, 1996 11:39 AM To: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: PN and biblical stuff... "eat the fruit and kiss the snake goodnight" okay, my question is, who is he talking to/about? if we accept that this is a reference to the garden of eden, then we have a few choices. i'm going to assume that it's not adam, since the song is clearly about a woman. so, i wonder, is chris referring to eve... which kind of makes sense, i mean, christian theology for years tried to blame eve for the downfall of mankind as we know it... or is he talking about Lilith? Lilith was adam's first wife, myth says she was even created *before* adam, and that she refused to obey the Guy Upstairs (which is why he got rid of her and created eve). I'd like to think that that's who chris is referring to. though I think he'd like lilith a hell of a lot more than eve -- she's my personal patron goddess (lilith i mean) -- and much more fun, but also much more likely to fit the description of the woman referred to in 'PN'. am i the only looney to have thought about this? ;-> (no i do NOT want to be at work working at 3:30 pm on a 70+ degree clear sunny day in seattle the day before labor day weekend) - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Nate Crosswhite Subject: Re: Don't be a dick... Seeing the various reactions to the "flame the newbie" post, I can't help but think back a few weeks or so. The same people were arguing about "Chris laying in a field" thread. I paricularly remember some people getting pissed off because others were trying to impose a seniority, i.e. "I've been on the list longer." Now the same people who were pissed off about that, turn around and say they can't stand these "BHS newbies" who will fill the list with their useless babble. Figure it out: if this list is going to be free for all, it is going to be free for ALL. Nate ------------------------------ From: "Greg Dunbar" Subject: Just General Sorta Stuff Hi there. I've been reading all these reviews and everything and I'm sorta getting a bit jacked of all the negative things said about DOTU. I'm also tired of people comparing Soundgarden's songs to other bands like Zep, Sabbath, Floyd and even Pearl Jam. I mean, in the album Soundgarden sounds like Soundgarden, and whilst there are some parts that sound a bit similar to other bands (Rhino, Dusty, BUTOW), big deal? I think that poor old Kim has had enough of defending the band about sounding Zepplinish. As for that tosser Dave who rubbished DOTU, what a dickhead! Cornell's lyrics are as good as ever and Zero Chance, BUTOW and Overfloater are ever so skilful. And giving crap to Ultramega and LTL are hits way below the belt. I'm trying to avoid magazine reviews etc. now as they keep influxing negative vibes about the album which really aren't warranted. It is one of the most diverse and brilliant albums I have heard. I think that everyone should just stay off the reviews and get out of the album what we want, screw what other people think! Soundgarden rule! Has anybody got a grasp on what Burden In My Hand is about? It is such a great song because I'm getting different ideas about it with every listen. At times I think that he has killed his girlfriend 'I shot my love today would you cry for me', or is wanting to 'And kill everything you love', he feels helpless that he is obsessed with a girl and feels helpless that he wont have a chance with her 'Cause fear is strong and love's for everyone who isn't me', and other times sounds optimisic,'Oh no there she goes, Out in the sunshine the sun is mine'. I don't know if I am being a bit literal or what but it would be interesting to hear a few people's view about it. The song is just so cool (as they all are come to mention it). Bootcamp deserves so much discussion, it is such a thought provoking song and is depressing in the style only Chris can do. At the end of the song I think it sounds like that he is so sad that he can't continue the song, and if he did the song would lose it's whole effect. The ending gives you almost a feeling of loss and it actually hurts to listen to. End of my analysis anyhow. Hando, where's this video? Where abouts in Melbourne is it and are there any left, can you copy it blah blah blah etc. Please write so I might be able to get my fix. Also has anyone seen SOMMS in Australia? Can you get it? Where? Etc. Thanks dudes. Oh well, I'll be off now, I hope I didn't waste anyone's time with my thoughts. Adios!, Greg Dunbar - ------------------------------------------------------------- greg@lin.cbl.com.au ------------------------------ From: "Limo Wreck" Subject: Re: Don't be a dick... > many conversations going on, and believe it or not mr. dick(less) some of wow.. name calling on an redneck-elementary school level. Well... i'll just say yee haw to that. - -- Jeremy Crocker, A.K.A unGod j_crocke@eos.ncsu.edu http://www4.ncsu.edu/eos/users/j/j_crocke/WWW/home.html "somewhere through a thousand blues a dragonfly descends with just a whisper. i'm lonelier than god, and all my wishes spin the fishes in the air and everyone a different shade of you" - "suicide machine", by Hum ------------------------------ From: Chris Mansfield Subject: Re: Don't be a dick... "Limo Wreck" wrote: >ok.... they at least had Louder than Love and some singles. Just >remember, you don't go into a 400 hundred level college class w/o >taking the earlier classes. oh, i'm sorry. i didn't realize this entire list is on the 400 level just because you say it is. >ever go into a conversation blind and have people giving you the >get-lost-stare? this is an incredibly lousy analogy. the "newbie" didn't interrupt a single conversation between you and some other no-lifer who is probably doing their thesis on SG; they posted to a mailing list with 300+ members. there are many conversations going on, and believe it or not mr. dick(less) some of those 300 may not give a shit about anything you have to say and want to discuss something else. live with it. :) for some actual SG content: seth, glad to see you got the scans of my rusty cage 7" picture disc from jean. (well, it's not mine anymore 'cause i gave it to jean for being a really great friend when i left and moved to seattle but anyway...) was gonna scan my JCP 7" picture disc for you but i see someone else beat me to it. :) Chris, another "newbie" to somms who has found yet another person looking to be annoyed. :) ------------------------------ Subject: STOP From: Ben Timberlake Just stop it. Quit the flaming. If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all, or at least keep it off the list (thanks for that last part, thumper). I'm not gonna just sit here and read people flaming each other just because they need someone to be mad at. We're a community and we share a common interest. Let's focus on those aspects which make us alike, rather than those that make us different. If not, I'm gonna hunt each one of you flamers down and rip your freakin' throats out. (oh shit, that was sorta mean). I take it back. If you keep doing it, I'll hunt you down and give you a very stern talking-to. -- Ben (who wishes Nothingman would say something funny now so everyone would laugh and ease up some of that tension) Ben Timberlake "The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est, Northwestern University Pro patria mori." Medill School of Journalism -- Wilfred Owen btimlake@nwu.edu -30- *Check out my dorm's web page!* http://www.stuaff.nwu.edu/crc/ "They say if you look hard / You'll find your way back home Born without a friend / And bound to die alone." -- Chris Cornell, "Zero Chance" ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: newbies etc. okay, jerm, you said not to be ambiguous, so i'm not. i can understand your "frustration" i guess, but i don't know why you just didn't bother to write this person with the url of the web page and suggest they go there and learn? the old days of the net where there were strict rules about how to behave on lists etc is long gone and will never return. y es, it is still probably a good idea to read a few digests/posts before jumping right in (chances are your question will be answered if you do, but it's like that in *any* conversation)... but having said that, i didn't realize there was a test people have to take. i mean, by *your* standards, i'm not a real sg fan. i STILL don't understand why ownership of music makes you a bigger or better fan of a band. all it means is that you're richer. and as to jumping on and off... i dunno. i mean, music speaks to people in different ways at different times. i mean... i didn't get into led zep until i was 25. *shrug* - --caryn ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Don't be a dick... From: seth > >ever go into a conversation blind and have people giving you the > >get-lost-stare? > > this is an incredibly lousy analogy. the "newbie" didn't interrupt a single > conversation between you and some other no-lifer who is probably doing their > thesis on SG; they posted to a mailing list with 300+ members. there are > many conversations going on, and believe it or not mr. dick(less) some of > those 300 may not give a shit about anything you have to say and want to > discuss something else. i'd have to agree here. it is possible that list old-timers get tired of hearing the same questions from "newbies," but i think that it's important that everyone help each other out. if someone new asks for recommendations on which sg album to buy next, either answer the question seriously or keep quiet. if you give an honest answer, and the person goes out and buys something on your recommendation, there's a good chance he or she will come back and bring a new, unique perspective on the music to the list. there's no point in telling "newbies" to get lost, because this list is not intended to be an exclusive, if-you-didn't-see-sg-live-in-1986-you-don't-belong-here club. and chris, the list has 500+ members now. :) > for some actual SG content: seth, glad to see you got the scans of my rusty > cage 7" picture disc from jean. (well, it's not mine anymore 'cause i gave > it to jean for being a really great friend when i left and moved to seattle > but anyway...) was gonna scan my JCP 7" picture disc for you but i see > someone else beat me to it. yep, the scans are great. jean didn't want to part with the hunger strike 7" though. :) by the way, if anyone has cool sg stuff that you don't see on the unofficial web page and you could scan it and send me the files, that would be great. it's easier for sg collectors to know what it is they're hunting for when they have already seen a picture of it. seth ------------------------------ From: "Limo Wreck" Subject: who else will get mad at me? OK peoplez (well.. not all of you), Yeah.. I've come under fire of late for attackin a "newbie". I will try to explain myself a little w/o being too vague. When eMpTyV started playing "black hole sun".. it was cool. Soundgarden was getting some recognition... but then, it became the frat-boy-"Mr. Cool"-"that song is sooo cool" song of the year due to eMpTyV spitting it out every hour (and radio too). It pissed me off because they became known for playing that song. The song lost depth and meaning as far as I am concerned. Soundgarden has too much damn talent to be known for one song (especially that one). With all the over play that "black hole sun" received, Soundgarden was still not givin credit as a GREAT band with other GREAT albums, even though they did win a Grammy, Soundgarden thought it was a fluke. Do you know how many times people have told me that they want to get their first album.. "yeah, it's called 'badmotorfinger' i think...". That's what pisses me off. Even the corporate music industry ignores them for the most part (thank God). When I saw Soundgarden on the last tour, it was in Charlotte. That had to be the lamest crowd ever. I think the only song they recognized was "black hole sun".. but what could i do, all i had was my balcony seat while i watched people walk around on the floor, in and out... DURING THE CONCERT!! I guess that's what I'm trying to say.... By Soundgarden getting so famous, it saturated the music a little. This is all i'm going to say for now... if you have a question, email me privately.. and for God's sake, stop posting the messages to this list about the newbie gettin flamed by "someone".. here I am, send the complaints to ME. Course, we all know this will happen when they release "burden in my hand" Maybe they won't even do a video. Or it will be so awesome, that the eMpTyV drones won't like it. maybe i should start my own hate-mail-mailing list :) jerm - -- Jeremy Crocker, A.K.A unGod j_crocke@eos.ncsu.edu http://www4.ncsu.edu/eos/users/j/j_crocke/WWW/home.html "somewhere through a thousand blues a dragonfly descends with just a whisper. i'm lonelier than god, and all my wishes spin the fishes in the air and everyone a different shade of you" - "suicide machine", by Hum ------------------------------ From: "Limo Wreck" Subject: Re: rankings...week 1 > > GROTE'S SG RANKINGS, STARDATE 1 WEEK A.D. (fter own on the upside) :) > > 1. Badmotorfinger > 2. Down on the Upside > 3. Superunknown > 4. Louder than Love > 5. Ultramega OK > 6. Screaming Life/Fopp > okie... 1. Badmotorfinger 2. Down on the Upside 3. Louder than Love 4. Superunknown 5. Ultramega OK 6. Screaming Life / Fopp - -- Jeremy Crocker, A.K.A unGod j_crocke@eos.ncsu.edu http://www4.ncsu.edu/eos/users/j/j_crocke/WWW/home.html "somewhere through a thousand blues a dragonfly descends with just a whisper. i'm lonelier than god, and all my wishes spin the fishes in the air and everyone a different shade of you" - "suicide machine", by Hum ------------------------------ From: Karen.Hester@vuw.ac.nz Subject: DotU lyrics From: tonerkin@usa.pipeline.com (Tonerkin) wrote: > Actually I also have to skip Ty Cobb on occasion. Once > again Mr. Cornell has made it difficult for those of us with kids. Be just > great to have the 5 year old singin "hard headed fuck you all" at Sunday > dinner with Grandma!! Heh. I was just imagining something similar - the lyrics to No Attention really suit a child. Think of a young kid covering their ears and shaking their head back and forth, shrieking "I can't hear you I can't hear you I'LL PAY NO ATTENTION NO ATTENTION NO ATTENTION..." Yes, Mr Cornell will be responsible for a new burst of temper tantrums across the world. Let's sue him. On the subject of lyrics, are there more religious references in these songs than on previous albums? Anyone want to do a word count?! Off the top of my head there is the temptation of Eden and the attached Fall in at least 3 songs alone: Dirty Noose and Applebite... and Ben's An Unkind. The way Chris employs this imagery to illuminate other things rather than the pieces being *about* the Bible tales is great, though I personally would like him to explore some other mythologies. Imagine him as some warped nineteenth century side-burned preacher - "we are entering a time of the black days, the evil false warmth of Satan's black hole sun is pouring down upon us, watch for the vipers and poison snakes of the dark one and the liars who pose as Our Lord Jesus Christ...." kkkkkkkrn (down with vowels) ------------------------------ From: "R. Maney" Subject: least fave songs the reason i stared this thread was so that i could get positive feedback about the songs that i didnt like at the time, maybe so that people could point out things to helpme get into the songs that i didnt notice at first or may not notice until it was too late (thats for you jerm who may or may not have been sarcastic about calling it a "jewel of a thread") anyway, my pick was switch opens, which i now like a lot. im over the initial shock of the tone of the fist verse....and the cheesy "hey you patients wheres your surgeons" line, which i dont dislike anymore either. now i am in agreement with jerm...i dont have a least fave anymore. i also agree with jerm on superunknown, i kind of felt after a few weeks of listening to super that in the long run, it was going to be an album where i had to skip around. let me drown, and the day i tried to live (imho) are GREAT in spots but as a whole just seem to be missing something. they are so close to being (again imho) incredible but just miss. i dont get that feeling with anything on dotu. dont get me wrong though, i would NEVER skip day i tried to live. todd ------------------------------ From: "R. Maney" Subject: blow up i think that blow up the outside world refers to someone who wants to get rid of everything except him/herself and their partner. i got this impression based on what chris said on the seattle broadcast on kisw. i cant reconcile this with what the verses say but it does jive with the chorus. willing to change my mind... todd ------------------------------ From: UnknMan@aol.com Subject: SOMMS hybrid / flaming SOMMS (the actual record) talk: Geoff said: >I noticed today that my copy also has the tiny print which reads" For >Promo use only. Not for sale ...blah blah blah..." My discs do say "disc >1" and disc 2". I'm wondering if there are any that do not. Somebody >mentioned a while back that he/she had a copy that was a radio station >promo, and if I remember correctly it was somehow different. Anybody? shortly thereafter seth said: Shroom "Suck on my... " ~ Chris Cornell ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: something in "boot camp" J_>i was listening to "boot camp" through big-ass head phones and I noticed J_> something at the beginning... J_>about 30 or so seconds into it (at the first big cymbal crash), there is an J_>underlying dub. It sounds like the guy from the "big dumb sex" edit version J_>that says "be a nice person, take your vitamins...... go out and sleep with J_>whoever they want, kill your parents." I listened, and all I heard around thirty seconds was a screechy sound on the guitar. It kinda sounds like someone's saying something. Another neat sound I heard was in Ty Cobb at the end, where the guitar sounds like a train coming into the station (like the bells or something on a train, anyway). Nothingman -I'm the boy who defies all. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: several DOTU ramblings... OU>not to cut on the rest of the band, but OU>my favorite songs always seem to end up being the ones Chris has written, OU>though I think NTMF is one of the album's best... Me too. I always like Chris' songs, and they're always the ones that I listen to forever and ever and never get sick of. And even though Kim doesn't write many songs, I always like his, too. OU>>> What is the next single? I would have to say Burden in My Hand, just because they played that one on Saturday Night Live, and I also heard it on the radio the other day. Nothingman -I'm a psycholic motherfucker and I'm coming for you! ------------------------------ Subject: Into The Upside From: Ben Timberlake I picked up "Into The Upside" today, a promo with pretty noose, dusty, applebite (partially overdubbed by interiew), rhinosaur, burden in my hand, butow, ntmf, and an unkind. It also has parts of the interview with eleven for each song i listed, plus for the album title, tycobb, lollapalooza, the ramones, and "exquisite corpse." Any idea what that last one is? Duh, I guess I should listen and find out. Anyway, I just got around to learning how to make .au files on my computer, so I was wondering if it would be useful to record any of the interviews and send them to seth for web page posting. I don't know if there's anything on this one that's not on the pretty noose single. the total amount of interview time is about 16 minutes. -- Ben p.s. "exquisite corpse" is kim's metaphor for the creation of the album. Ben Timberlake "The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est, Northwestern University Pro patria mori." Medill School of Journalism -- Wilfred Owen btimlake@nwu.edu -30- *Check out my dorm's web page!* http://www.stuaff.nwu.edu/crc/ "They say if you look hard / You'll find your way back home Born without a friend / And bound to die alone." -- Chris Cornell, "Zero Chance" ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: burn the candle deep inside... On Mon, 27 May 1996, grote wrote: > album, but like jeremy said, there are definitely skippable tracks on > it. oddly enough, i find myself doing the exact same thing...starting > with "black days" and playing through until "spoonman," which i skip. in a lot of cases I agree with skipping (does that sound funny to the rest of you?), but I can't understand how you could skip let me drown and my wave. come on grote, fess up. you don't really skip those songs, do you? you are surely missing out two of the best songs soundgarden have recorded if you are willing to jump over them. the absolute wall of guitars in let me drown. chris' screaming vocals fighting matt's bass drum. the shifting rhythm of ben's bass in my wave. kim's backwards guitar melody. how could you?? I'm crying already :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: ...and out your mother On Mon, 27 May 1996, Greg Dunbar wrote: this somehow turned into a long post, so watch out :) > Has anybody got a grasp on what Burden In My Hand is about? It is > such a great song because I'm getting different ideas about it with > every listen. At times I think that he has killed his girlfriend 'I > shot my love today would you cry for me', or is wanting to 'And kill kim said in an article that was published here recently that burden in my hand was the 'hey joe for the 90s', so I think that's pretty close to the mark. whether he was joking or not (in normal sg fashion), I couldn't tell. it was in print, so you can't hear them sniggering :) speaking of kim, I have a friend who gave me a really bad review of dotu (not you seth, and not you gil). he said the reason he didn't like the record was because kim didn't write very much of the music. I didn't want to agree at first, but I was reading through most of the liner notes for their previous albums last night while staving off some ridiculous assignment, and its true; kim had very little to do with the creative process (outside the studio, at any rate) during dotu's formation. he could have been trying to focus only on what he was personally going to play on each track or something, I suppose. would the record have been better if kim had written more? I'm guessing that it would be. we know that he can write *great* music (new damage, hands all over, flower, incessant mace, etc), so where are all his songs? is he saving something for a solo album? I'm beginning to think that dotu doesn't really stand up to their last two albums, and it might be because kim seems to have clammed up. the two most innovative songs on the record (imho) are applebite (I know its not by kim) and ntmf, and I think the album deserved more of kim's input. while I'm on this ramble, I also find this album pretty different to superunk, bmf and ltl in that most of the songs are written in some kind of autonomous fashion; ie. someone writes the music, and then someone writes the lyrics. on earlier albums, you would have songs that were written by most or all of the *band*, jesus christ pose and limo wreck being excellent examples. but on dotu everything seems to be...unilateral or something, not a band process. you could argue that they just don't credit it all on the dotu liner, but they used to on all their other records, so why stop now? I think that the greatest of the band's strengths is their total *bandness* (or maybe their tonal-emotion), where they all write songs and they all play their asses off. most importantly, they do it *together*. dotu seems to me to be removed from that a little. just something I was thinking about :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: whatsoever I've eaten... On Mon, 27 May 1996, seth wrote: > I had originally responded to Ray's post and agreed with him that his > copy of BMF/SOMMS was a hybrid, but I take it back. After reading > Geoff's response, I looked at mine and SOMMS does indeed have "For > Promotional Use Only - Not For Sale" printed in it. I bought it new, > so I imagine all copies must be like this... yeah, I would think all copies of somms would be like that. this may be a horrible analogy, but here you can buy a bag of potato chips that has ten small and separate bags inside. on each of these is a warning: 'not for resale'. so badmotorfinger/somms is like a big ten-pack of chips :) I believe the producers do this so that the store can't sell them as seperate items, thus making huge profits on something that was supposed to be sold as a package. if you split up bmf/somms, you would have two cds to sell, or at least one cd and an ep. newest joke thread: 'if soundgarden were a potato chip, what flavour would they be?' btw, that is a joke. do not reply. it was definitely a joke. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Subject: Re: ...and out your mother From: Ben Timberlake > kim said in an article that was published here recently that >burden in my hand was the 'hey joe for the 90s', so I think that's pretty >close to the mark. whether he was joking or not (in normal sg fashion), I >couldn't tell. it was in print, so you can't hear them sniggering :) actually, on the .au files I just sent to seth, that very exchange takes place in the discussion of bimh. From the comments that follow that statement, I think it was tongie-in-cheek. But, if it's kim, he still may be very serious about something he says off the cuff. As far as My Wave, nothing screams freedom more than that guitar solo near the end. It's way to covered by the rythm part. My friend Ryan and I used to argue which was better: TDITTL or My Wave. I tried to convince him that My Wave was better because it's about individuality that succeeds, whereas TDITTL is about failure. I have come to learn to love both songs and now enjoy TDITTL even more than MW, if only for its greater aural attractiveness. The video also aided my appreciation for the song. On the other hand, the MW video isn't too good in my opinion (sorry Henry), except for the parts with the kids on the bikes. -- Ben Ben Timberlake "The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est, Northwestern University Pro patria mori." Medill School of Journalism -- Wilfred Owen btimlake@nwu.edu -30- *Check out my dorm's web page!* http://www.stuaff.nwu.edu/crc/ "They say if you look hard / You'll find your way back home Born without a friend / And bound to die alone." -- Chris Cornell, "Zero Chance" ------------------------------ From: Jentje Subject: this & that... Ok, was I the only one who watched the SG interview on Muchwest last Sunday (early Monday morning)? I know sime of you caught it, didn't Terry Davaid Mulligan say that this was the FIRST part of the interview. I'm pretty sure he did say that. Well, by my knowledge, if there is a first part, A SECOND PART SHOULD FOLLOW!!!! Or was it just that I blinked or something when it played last night? I didn't stay up till 4:30 am. just to see I Mother Earth. Did anyone else see it? Or didn't see as the case may be. Oooooh, I'm gonna be sending some mighty nasty letters to Muchwest...Could they be sued for false advertising or something? Hmmmmmm.... Been gone for a while, nice to know the that some new person got told off for no reason whatsoever (Message to whoever did that: You are soooo cool!!!YOU THINK!). Geez, I'm glad nobody did that to me when I first got on here, I mean dosn't a welcome like that just give you a warm feeling inside that just makes you want to never touch the computer again. If the newbie is still reading this stuff, I'd just like to say, yes there ARE normal (sort of) people here. Oh yeah, you know the CD of DOTU with the limited edition packaging, is it a good by??? if it is , I'll get it. Whaddaya know, harrass music stores long enough and they finaly get the hint that there is a SG stuff shortage in the area! I'm getting the vynil this week also. Do places still sell record-players? Or would I have to go to an antique store for that? :) TOODLES Jenn ------------------------------ From: Chris Farley Subject: New URL I've tried finding the page the other day and I keep getting a not found message. Is there a new URL for it? CHRIS ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: RE: PN and biblical stuff... i question why you think eve, the first woman, was a 'well packaged bad idea'. except for the fact that this is what chris "said" the song was 'about', therefore it can't possibly be open to ANY other interpretations. *sigh* At 01:52 PM 5/27/96 -0400, Chris Farley wrote: >I can't think of a better example of a 'Pretty Noose' than Eve. A well packaged bad Idea.... > >---------- >From: caryn rose[SMTP:clr@nwlink.com] >Sent: Friday, May 24, 1996 11:39 AM >To: somms@MIT.EDU >Subject: PN and biblical stuff... > > >"eat the fruit >and kiss the snake goodnight" > >okay, my question is, who is he talking to/about? >if we accept that this is a reference to the garden of eden, then we have >a few choices. i'm going to assume that it's not adam, since the song is >clearly about a woman. >so, i wonder, is chris referring to eve... which kind of makes sense, i >mean, christian theology for years tried to blame eve for the downfall of >mankind as we know it... >or is he talking about Lilith? >Lilith was adam's first wife, myth says she was even created *before* >adam, and that she refused to obey the Guy Upstairs (which is why he got >rid of her and created eve). >I'd like to think that that's who chris is referring to. though I think >he'd like lilith a hell of a lot more than eve -- she's my personal >patron goddess (lilith i mean) -- and much more fun, but also much more >likely to fit the description of the woman referred to in 'PN'. > >am i the only looney to have thought about this? > >;-> > >(no i do NOT want to be at work working at 3:30 pm on a 70+ degree clear >sunny day in seattle the day before labor day weekend) > >--caryn > > > > > ------------------------------ From: Chris Farley Subject: Kim on DEVO I found this at Henry Rollins page(www.two1361.com): This Infinite Zero reissue of "Oh, No! It's Devo" reminds music fans the = legacy and message of Devo is rich, deep and highly relevant to today's = world. These 11 original tracks and 6 bonus tracks, originally released = in 1982, provide the listener with over an hour of Devo's philosophy, = thematic unity and musical vision. Kim Thayil of Soundgarden, a Devo fan = since the first time he picked up a guitar, writes in the liner notes, = "Devo was aggressive, un-apologetic, witty, insightful and novel as a = band. However, they were not a novel act because they were consistently = courageous and creative in presenting their unique vision." Q:ARE WE NOT MEN? ------------------------------ From: Chris Farley Subject: RE: PN and biblical stuff... Yes it is because Chris said that, that makes me think EVE and the apple = are examples of a pretty noose. It is not the fact that she was the = first woman, the whole thing about 'Hey eat this juicy tasty piece of = fruit, you'll spend all eternity in Satan's fiery gates of hell, but boy = it sure does taste good!' - ---------- From: caryn rose[SMTP:clr@nwlink.com] Sent: Monday, May 27, 1996 10:20 PM To: Chris Farley Cc: 'SOMMS' Subject: RE: PN and biblical stuff... i question why you think eve, the first woman, was a 'well packaged bad = idea'. =20 except for the fact that this is what chris "said" the song was 'about', therefore it can't possibly be open to ANY other interpretations. *sigh* At 01:52 PM 5/27/96 -0400, Chris Farley wrote: >I can't think of a better example of a 'Pretty Noose' than Eve. A well packaged bad Idea.... > >---------- >From: caryn rose[SMTP:clr@nwlink.com] >Sent: Friday, May 24, 1996 11:39 AM >To: somms@MIT.EDU >Subject: PN and biblical stuff... > > >"eat the fruit >and kiss the snake goodnight" > >okay, my question is, who is he talking to/about? >if we accept that this is a reference to the garden of eden, then we = have=20 >a few choices. i'm going to assume that it's not adam, since the song = is=20 >clearly about a woman. >so, i wonder, is chris referring to eve... which kind of makes sense, i = >mean, christian theology for years tried to blame eve for the downfall = of=20 >mankind as we know it... >or is he talking about Lilith? >Lilith was adam's first wife, myth says she was even created *before*=20 >adam, and that she refused to obey the Guy Upstairs (which is why he = got=20 >rid of her and created eve). =20 >I'd like to think that that's who chris is referring to. though I = think=20 >he'd like lilith a hell of a lot more than eve -- she's my personal=20 >patron goddess (lilith i mean) -- and much more fun, but also much more = >likely to fit the description of the woman referred to in 'PN'. > >am i the only looney to have thought about this? > >;-> > >(no i do NOT want to be at work working at 3:30 pm on a 70+ degree = clear=20 >sunny day in seattle the day before labor day weekend) > >--caryn > > > > > ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: harvest the gold... On Mon, 27 May 1996 ShRooMGrLz@aol.com wrote: > Cornell's sexy body. I wish I had a CD JUST of Chris' vocal tracks. That > would be *rad*. I'm tired of straining to hear his voice over the music. > Don't get me wrong... I do love the music. But my favorite intrument in the if anyone is interested in hearing chris' vocals a little clearer, this may help. if you listen to limo wreck on just the left speaker (I think), then you get basically his voice, ben's bass and the drums. most of the instruments are muted a little, and chris' vocal track seems to be panned in that direction. just fiddle with the balance on your stereo and listen :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Subject: JCP video From: tonerkin@usa.pipeline.com (Tonerkin) >>oh yeah a while back i heard that the JCP video was 'banned' from eMpTyV. >>does anyone know why?? i've never actually seen it, but they did show a clip >>from it last sun on 120 mins. I know someone already answered the question about the JCP video and the images of a crucifixion that were too much for MTV to show 5 years ago. Tonight while I was remote running( waiting for a video to rewind) I saw Metallica's new video. Geez! want to talk about images of Christ and crucifixation!! They got the whole shootin match! Down to a woman at the foot of the cross pouring water on the crucified(complete with crown of thorns) man's feet. BTW he looks like neither Chris nor Kim. We got Adam and Eve thrown in there for good measure! I would think there will be some howling over this one! Makes JCP look tame!(which it really was to begin with) I only watched about 8 mintues of MTV so what few brain cells I have left are safe! Toni ------------------------------ From: Aleko Subject: Re: rankings...week 1 Ok first thing I can't believe how low people are putting Superunknown. It' s a great album and the only song i skip is Half (It is still longer then most albums so i excuse that), and even that is changing. Second I can't believe how high Ultramega OK is, Chris can't sing yet, wail loudly yes, sing no (check out how much better Beyond the Wheel is live now then on record). I think that Soundgarden has progressively got better as performers and writers with each album hence. 1 Superunkown It has so many of my Fav Soundgarden songs that it has to be first 2 DOTUS Still growing on me may be higher in a month or so 3 Badmotorfinger This is what metal should sound like. AND METAL IS GOOD!! 4 LTL Chris' singing anoys me sometimes in this one big improvement in quality 5 SL/FOPP More fun then Ultramega 6 Ultramega OK Have this on tape but i don't want to get the CD because it is not worth it. "Happiness is not for us to find but for us to search for" ------------------------------ From: Glenn Subject: Re: burn the candle deep inside... > in a lot of cases I agree > with skipping (does that > sound funny to the rest of > you?), but I can't understand how you could > skip let me drown and my > wave... I've never really been an admirer of "My Wave", but "Let Me Drown" definitely doesn't deserve to be skipped. :)> It contains one of the greatest moments on the album... where Chris sings "I feel the hurt surround me, please dissolve me, she's resolved to be...". He then, as many of you know, proceeds to scream as Kim launches into a guitar solo. Wow. Sends shivers up my spine every time I hear it. Say.. new thread?? Great moments in SG songs??? :)> Take it easy, Glenn ------------------------------ From: Glenn Subject: Re: Don't be a dick... > and chris, the list has > 500+ members now. :) Wow... Congratulations, all.. we broke 500. So.. who's hosting the "kegger" once we hit 600??? :)> Hahahahaha... Long live SOMMS, Glenn ------------------------------ From: Outshined@aol.com Subject: Top 20 and AOL... These are in chronological order, but that's about it... only thing that's prompting me to do this is that I've been playing all of SG's albums recently (I've been burning up my CD player with DOTU...), and these songs are the what I consider Soundgarden "classics"... - - Overfloater - - Burden In My Hand - - Tighter and Tighter - - Like Suicide - - 4th of July - - Mailman - - Fell on Black Days - - Let Me Drown - - Head Down - - Rusty Cage - - Slaves and Bulldozers - - Outshined - - Hands All Over - - Loud Love - - Gun - - Big Dumb Sex - - Beyond The Wheel - - Hand of God runners-up : - - Blow Up the Outside World - - Never the Machine Forever - - Ty Cobb - - Black Hole Sun (go ahead and flame :) - - Holy Water - - Room A Thousand Years Wide - - I Awake - - Flower - - Nothing To Say - - fuck it, just about everything else... also... since there are a decent number of AOL users that post to the list, and probably some there who haven't, is anyone with AOL (and I'm almost positive someone's brought this up before) interested in an online chat sometime...? What do you think? Is this a good idea? bad idea? stupid idea? both b and c? - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "If at first you don't succeed, try again. Then quit. There's no sense in being a damn fool about it." - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: sean@ramoth.unl.edu (Sean McCarthy) Subject: Rankings-DOTU Hey All- Ok, this is my selection, MIND YOU! that this is always subject to change, it just depends on my mood... 1-Louder Than Love-I picked it up in 1989, it made me burn every damn White Lion, WInger, Crue album I had. As a whole, it still rings out loud and powerful. Its a masterpiece, probably the best heavy metal album I have ever heard. 2-Superunknown-DOTU is gaining quickly. But songs like 'Like Suicide' and 'Mailman' get deep, deep inside my head. Sure I don't act on em, but its such a strong album lyrically. And 'Fresh Tendrils' has a great guitar riff not to mention lyrics like "Give me little bits of more than I can take" 3-DOTU-Its rising quickly. 'Ty Cobb' is becoming the 'Head Like a Hole' of my life's soundtrack. Just the sound of 'Switch Opens' made my chest feel heavy. Applebite will also be an underrated gem. 4-Badmotor-Sorry, I was a bit let down after LTL changed my life. It grew on to me though. 'Mind Riot' and 'Searching with my good eye' are still kick ass songs. Well, that's it, feel free to flambe or respond in kind. Laters "Black and white is always grey"-B. Mould Laters peace Sean ------------------------------ From: vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu (Vasant Ramamurthy) Subject: Asians in SG; Digipaks; Flower EP >I was talking to some East Asian customers and they >loved the fact that Soundgarden was once working with a Asian bassist (Hiro >of course) & that's one of the reasons that turned them onto the band. (This >goes for Smashing Pumpkins with James Iha.) Well, they still are, ya know, Kim _is_ the guitarist. He's Asian-Indian. Yeah, there's confusion about the proper terms for oriental/asian/indian, or whatever, but anyway, Kim would still rock anyway, no matter what race. What's up with these digipaks? Are they any more valuable or special than jewel boxes? I have a digipak, but I didn't even know what it was called, before reading about it here. Are they really that limited? How much should I pay for the Flower EP? Is it worth getting, just for "Toy Box"? I've seen a new version for $8, and a used version for $4. What do you guys think? Vasant ****************************************************************************** The Refuge of the Damned http://ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu/~vman/me.html Lots of music, photos, links, and more! vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu "I don't need your love to disconnect" - An Ode to No One -Smashing Pumpkins **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Subject: new metal crap From: seth has anyone else read chris nickson's 'soundgarden: new metal crown' and thought it was crap? i'm about halfway though it and i keep realizing that just about everything he says is word-for-word something i've read in a magazine article. he also too easily dismisses soundgarden's earlier efforts, describing as "apt" one journalist's reference to ultramega ok as 'ultramega so-so.' i take issue with the statement that the sst release was just 'so-so' -- i put it right behind badmotorfinger on my list (followed by superunknown, ltl, dotu, and scr/fopp, in that order). ah, whatever. just wondering if anyone else had read it and if so, what you thought of it. seth ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: JCP video >I know someone already answered the question about the JCP >video and the images of a crucifixion that were too much for >MTV to show 5 years ago. Yah, that was too much for MTV show... but why were they able to show that stupid Madonna video that had her making out with a preacher, and burning crosses and shit? See... this is yet another reason why MTV's studios should be blown up (preferably with all members of Hootie and Green Day inside. And oh... why don't we throw Guns N Roses in there too... for good measure?). Just a thought... Oh, and I still say that it doesn't look like Chris has any fuzzies (mustache & goatee) when he's hanging upside down in the video. ^v^v^v^v^v^v^ Shroom ^v^v^v^v^v^v^ ~ Yah... where the hell is Nothingman? Come out, come out, wherever you are!! Hmmm... you know what people? I'm starting to suspect something. Nothingman has such a weird schedule... he'll post alot for a few days, and then disappear for awhile. Nothingman... you're REALLY Chris Cornell, aren't you!! Admit it!! Heheheh... "Push push push till we get some motion..." ~ Chris Cornell (or should I say NOTHINGMAN!!!!) ------------------------------ Subject: Re: new metal crap From: Ben Timberlake >has anyone else read chris nickson's 'soundgarden: new metal crown' >and thought it was crap? i'm about halfway though it and i keep >realizing that just about everything he says is word-for-word >something i've read in a magazine article. he also too easily >dismisses soundgarden's earlier efforts, describing as "apt" one >journalist's reference to ultramega ok as 'ultramega so-so.' i take >issue with the statement that the sst release was just 'so-so' -- i >put it right behind badmotorfinger on my list (followed by >superunknown, ltl, dotu, and scr/fopp, in that order). ah, whatever. >just wondering if anyone else had read it and if so, what you thought >of it. Yeah, Chris Nickson falls into the trap of becoming what he thinks he writes about. "New Metal Crown" was obviously a chance to cash in quickly on a hot band. He wrote up an extended faq, had a nice package made and chuckled all the way to the bank. Too bad his work wallows in mediocrity. -- Ben Actually, there were one or two things in there I couldn't find out somewhere else, but certainly not worth the $ I paid for the book. Still, if it says "soundgarden" somewhere on it and it's under $20, I'm probably going to buy it. Ben Timberlake "The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est, Northwestern University Pro patria mori." Medill School of Journalism -- Wilfred Owen btimlake@nwu.edu -30- *Check out my dorm's web page!* http://www.stuaff.nwu.edu/crc/ "They say if you look hard / You'll find your way back home Born without a friend / And bound to die alone." -- Chris Cornell, "Zero Chance" ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: SOMMS UnknMan wrote: > > SOMMS Owners: > Thanks to everyone that commented on my alleged hybrid copy of Bmf/SOMMS all > though I'm now even more confused than ever (c: SOOOOO, everyone on the list > (well, everyone that cares to participate) that has SOMMS tell me if your > second disc has this printed on it under the track listing: 'For Promotional > Use Only - Not For Sale'... then some more stuff. Yep, mine says that too. Kathie ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: Zero Chance It struck me tonight that the song Zero Chance may be about Andy Wood. It was the verse:"I'm thinking of your highness and crying long upon the loss" "Highness" could be a reference to drugs and "the loss" is obvious. What do you think? Kathie ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 138] ****************************************