From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Sunday, 26 May 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 05:30:21 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Sunday, 26 May 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Re: more web stuff Re: AAAUUGGGHHH!!! Bad review!! Re: AAAUUGGGHHH!!! Bad review!! frank kozik ATN interview What's missing Re: DOTU digipak DOTU promo video ..... interesting shtuff... Re: AAAUUGGGHHH!!! Bad review!! Re: PN and biblical stuff... Re: What's missing working on a beautiful saturday afternoon :-( AAAUUGGGHHH!!! Bad review!! Tighter and Tighter DOTU he he heh..... "blow up" analysis YEAH!!!!! Critics who should die, ethnicity Boot Camp SG Bandwagon Re: PN and biblical stuff... Chart position Rhinosaur... several DOTU ramblings... Re: on the subject of lolla... MORE web schtuff Finally a good review! some more stuff :) Re: some more stuff :) Re: Anyone Listenin something in "boot camp" some Truly stuff Re: Finally a good review! ------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: more web stuff From: seth > the MTV interview with Cornell on politics: > > http://chooseorlose.com/chooseorlose/soundgint.html i think i also added this to the unofficial sg page a while ago, but i don't remember... someone posted it to the list. > a cool Soundgarden picture at the Ploygram site (CD+ schtuff) > > http://www.polygram.com/polygram/inrb1195/soundgarden_alive.html with 2 sound clips and a video clip (which i borrowed, of course), too. > this person also has some sound clips. I don't know if they are on the > list or not, so pardon my ignorance :) > > http://144.118.223.155/garden.html i actually just emailed the fucker who runs this site today to thank him for taking credit for stuff he borrowed from our unofficial page. if you take a look, you'll see what i mean. he even copied the lyrics pages *directly*. are jeremy and i the only ones who sit around and seek out soundgarden sites? seth ------------------------------ From: ThNrthFace@aol.com Subject: Re: AAAUUGGGHHH!!! Bad review!! It is evident to me that Dave here is having an emotional breakdown himself and he can't accept reality. I have one suggestion for Dave, "Pull your head out of your ass, get a grip, find professional help, and banish yourself to oldies music, 'cause everybody's always happy in oldies music." Well, maybe 4 suggestions there. "After years of making mediocre records that were at once tinny AND muddy, Soundgarden (on 1994's Superunknown and the just-released Down on the Upside) finally jelled as a unit in the studio." What in the hell is this boy talking about? Mediocre? Soundgarden has always been one step ahead of the pack. I think it is clear that Little Dave here has been lagging behind in mediocracy himself, and wouldn't know what good music is if it bit him on his tight ass. Even SG's earliest work is far from tiny. But how could you say that Badmotorfinger is tiny? TINY? FAR FROM IT! Maybe we should just all send Davie a little note telling him where he can shove his article and offer suggestions for a more suitable line of work. Up his ass and migratory worker come to my mind. I think I should stop now, I'm getting really pissed and am having homicidal tendencies. Trying to stay sane, Aaron ThNrthFace@aol.com P.S. I agree, stupid people should not breed. I say we castrate Dave and send the band his tiny and muddy jewels after we stomp all over them!!! ------------------------------ Subject: Re: AAAUUGGGHHH!!! Bad review!! From: "Matthew Lawrence" Since everyone else has had a say on this, I think it's time for mine.. Quite frankly I'm sick to death of reviewers who have a problem with Soundgarden being miserable.. The first review I ever read had something in it about "Earth to Hard Rock music: There's more to life than being loud and serious" that really fucked me off. Typical for a british magazine, they seem to want every band to be chirpy and happy all the time like fucking Blur.. He's obviously got a problem with Chris' lyrics that stops him seeing how truly great they are, even if they can be depressing. Take Boot Camp (again) depressing lyrics, but absolutely beautiful at the same time "Like babies on display or angels in a cage". And where did he get that thing about fame? I'm guessing he found it implicit in Never Named, which is another song with really excellent lyrics.. Maybe this guy could do with reading the lyric sheet again and trying to see past his first impressions.. Another thing.. Where the fuck does Dusty fit in with his opinions? The SG song with the most positive lyrics and he writes the album off as too negative.. Well DUH! As for tinny, I could maybe take his point for Screaming Life/FOPP and possibly even Ultramega, but certainly not ANY of the others.. WHat does tinniness say about a band? Does it say they lack talent or lack money? *scratch chin* hmmm... Tricky. There are a lot of points he made which were pretty fair, but it wasn't fair to criticise the lyrics just because they weren't in a style the reviewer appreciated, when it comes down to it, the lyrics are well written and well delivered and that is what counts, at least it does to me. Take Pulp for example, they write good lyrics but I don't personally like them. If I was going to review a Pulp album I would feel it as my duty to say that the lyrics were good and try to remain objective towards them. Maybe that's why I'm a philosophy student instead of a journalist, but it seems to make sense to me.. Matt ------------------------------ From: rea47935@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu (Raul Agrait) Subject: frank kozik ATN interview i dont know if you guys know about this, but while looking through past issues of ATN this morning i found a interview with frank kozik, if you guys already know about this sorry. the address is: http://www.addict.com/ATN/issues/1.01/Cover_Story/ - -Hasswipee Hasswipee's Home Page http://pegasus.cc.ucf.edu/~rea49625/ ------------------------------ From: "J.Molton" Subject: What's missing Hi people, I've been reading your sg comments for about a week now and it's obvious you people know what your talking about.I've heard a lot of songs mentioned that I've never even heard of, some of which have even made it into peoples top ten all time sg songs.I've been into sg since the release of Black Hole Sun a couple of years ago and so far my collection consists of: Louder than Love Bad Motor Finger (is that one word??) Superunknown DOTU (best yet, probably) BHS single Fell on Black Days single feat Kyle Petty Fell on Black Days single feat Girl U Want Basketball Diaries album (Blind Dogs) Pretty Noose single feat snakebite etc I would be eternally grateful if anyone could point out what I'm missing and how I can get my hands on this stuff.I've also got my eye on the sg Motorvision video, is it worth buying ( silly Question I know ), and are there any other videos available in the u.k.? Jon- who very nearly seen sg live in Liverpool once but the damn tour was cancelled. ps-thanks for the birthday wishes pps-Warren Dyson-did you ever get my E-mail or did I fuck it up,( sorry I was half pissed when I wrote it ) ------------------------------ Subject: Re: DOTU digipak From: tonerkin@usa.pipeline.com (Tonerkin) On May 25, 1996 01:51:04, 'onefellswoop ' wrote: >I haven't even seen a digipack. I have the jewel case. I would have >bought the digipack if I'd seen it. >Geoff When I bought my CD all they had was digipacks. Not a jewel case in sight! I also have a question. Has anyone heard the interview that is on the CD single of Pretty Noose? Is it something I can't live without??? I had to make a choice between that and a bootleg from 1989. I went with the boot. Toni ------------------------------ From: redfive@ozonline.com.au (Hando) Subject: DOTU promo video ..... interesting shtuff... Hey Ho, well, here goes my first entry to the digest. To begin, TOP O' THE MORNIN' TO YOU ALL!! After having ` Pretty Noose ' ringing in my head for the last week, I found an offer at a Melbourne record store this morning I couldn't refuse - A free Soundgarden Video with the purchase of DOTU. Upon further inspection, I found that the video was in fact a promo - only, plain labelled video compilation from Polygram Australia of SD's recent videos. It contains videos of: Pretty Noose ( the "concept" version ) ( you folks in the US seen this video yet?...Surely!!) Black Hole Sun My Wave Spoonman Jesus Christ Pose Pretty Noose ( the " performance " version - just the guys miming the song ) The videos in this order are all repeated three times on the tape. So, has anyone anywhere seen this video or is it just Australia only?? Still, I feel it's good value. The video to Pretty Noose is quite good, nothing mind - bendingly brilliant. What's with Chris's hedgehog hair??!! Without saying what's already been said, I'm giving DOTU my thumbs up. I'm currently listening to it in full for the first time as I type this, so I won't get into an in - depth analysis of each song yet. Favourites so far are Pretty Noose ( understatedly awesome!! ), Dusty and Never the Machine forever. This week Australia's supposed " youth radio network " Triple J is featuring DOTU. Anyway groovemeisters, have a good one!! HANDO redfive@ozonline.com.au ------------------------------ From: melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net Subject: Re: AAAUUGGGHHH!!! Bad review!! At 03:15 PM 5/24/96 -0400, ShRooMGrLz@aol.com wrote: Okay, this guy is obviously a dumb fuck. (Dave Ferman, i mean). Maybe it's just me, but I don't see too many wise-cracking, fun-loving millionaires who "hate life". Like Cornell said "People see stuff that's lyrically challenging, and they just write it off as depressing". I think this guy just sees the surface. How depressing can a song about a fictional animal be ("Rhinosaur")? It talks about the animals predatorial habits...i found it interesting. "Boot Camp" is a kind of peaceful song that makes you think. So what if "Blow Up the Outside World" is kind of a pissy song? This guy probably cheered Kurt Cobain on when he wrote "I hate Myself and I want to die". What a fucking idiot. Gregg >------------------------------------------------------ >Soundgarden: Down on the Upside >Great sound, lousy lyrics. >By: Dave Ferman > > After years of making mediocre records that were at once tinny AND >muddy, Soundgarden (on 1994's Superunknown and the just-released Down on the >Upside) finally jelled as a unit in the studio. The result is that now they >have a sound (Chris Cornell's powerful bellow atop buzzing, crisply crashing >guitars and a rumbling bass-and-drums bottom) that is unique, instantly >identifiable and reminiscent of the sort of earthy, no-frills, >psychelelic-tinged metal of early Led Zeppelin. > And working in tandem with this sound are the lyrics, which are most >often by Cornell and always have a pessimistic, angry, confrontational tone. > It's within the combination of this sound and viewpoint that the band >becomes what thousands of disaffected but cynical kids want: Nihilism that >comes across at the arena level. And in doing so, Soundgarden just may have >finally transformed itself intot the perfect '90s hard-rock band. > Musically, the 16-track, 65-minute Down is a near-total triumph: The >artfully layered guitars and hard but lean crunch of songs such as Ty Cobb >(perhaps the first punk song with mandolins), Rhinosaur and the >six-minute-plus Tighter & Tighter (with obvious nods to Zeppelin songs such >as Out on the Tiles, Dazed and Confused and Tangerine) have an easy command >of a wide range of dynamics extremely rare in modern hard rock. > But then, of course, there's the message behind it all, and that's >where Down stumbles. Badly. Cornell wrote they lyrics to all but one of the >songs here and, as on past CD's, his shortcomings are quickly evident: He's >both vague and grouchy. > Again and again, these songs boil down to a guy who professes to hate >not only stardom but life in general: Pretty Noose, Zero Chance, Blow up the >Outside World, Never Named and many others display a one-note unfriendliness >and disgust with the world in general that, over more than an hour, grows >extremely tiresome. And when he's not raging that he'd like to either cut >himself off from or, literally, blow-up the outside world, he's asking (as on >Never Named and Burden in my Hand) for our pity. > As a result, despite a number of very good songs (among them Noose, >Tighter and Dusty) Down can't help but feel long-winded. Soundgarden is a >great-sounding band, no question, but at their core they too often offer just >a gray, static weariness of spirit. > >Rating: Two and a half stars on a scale of five. >------------------------------------------------------- > Chris... asking for our pity? HA!!! This guy obviously doesn't know >what in the hell he's talking about!! Chris... grouchy and vague? Well, >ok... maybe a little. But I think truthful and ambiguous are better words to >define him. Chris literally wanting to blow up the world? What kind of >drugs is this guy on? Nihilism at an arena level?? Someone hand me my gun. > Comments anyone? > > Shroom > >"Stupid people should not breed!!!!!" ~Skatenigs > > ____________________________________ | | HEAVY ROTATION-- | http://www.cybercomm.net/~melusk2 | "Down on the Upside" | melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net | --Soundgarden |____________________________________| "Another motherfucker down the drain" --C. Cornell ------------------------------ From: melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net Subject: Re: PN and biblical stuff... At 03:39 PM 5/24/96 -0700, caryn rose wrote: > >"eat the fruit >and kiss the snake goodnight" > >okay, my question is, who is he talking to/about? >if we accept that this is a reference to the garden of eden, then we have >a few choices. i'm going to assume that it's not adam, since the song is >clearly about a woman. Alright, since this song (Pretty Noose) is about "an attractively packaged bad idea", this most likely is a reference to the Garden of Eden. The snake made it seem like eating the fruit was a great idea when he conned Eve into eating it. However, the consequences of eating the fruit were bad. Therefore it was "an attractively packaged bad idea" Thank you goodnight Gregg ____________________________________ | | HEAVY ROTATION-- | http://www.cybercomm.net/~melusk2 | "Down on the Upside" | melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net | --Soundgarden |____________________________________| "Another motherfucker down the drain" --C. Cornell ------------------------------ From: "Limo Wreck" Subject: Re: What's missing >I've been into sg since the release of Black Hole Sun a couple of years ago and >so far my collection consists of: ok..... before i make any comments on this person.... lets look at his collection.. > Louder than Love > Bad Motor Finger (is that one word??) IS THAT ONE WORD?!?!?! ... oh boy... > Superunknown > DOTU (best yet, probably) > BHS single > Fell on Black Days single feat Kyle Petty > Fell on Black Days single feat Girl U Want > Basketball Diaries album (Blind Dogs) > Pretty Noose single feat snakebite etc isn't that APPLEBITE... > I would be eternally grateful if anyone could point out what I'm >missing and how I can get my hands on this stuff. Last time I checked, they were called record stores... I don't know what you call 'em. Oh yeah.. take some time and read up on Soundgarden... they have a great website at http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/ run by the one and only Perlman. Obviously, you have already found it cuz you subscribed to this list. >I've also got my eye on >the sg Motorvision video, is it worth buying ( silly Question I know ), >and are there any other videos available in the u.k.? like I said before.. READ UP... then post. jerm, the official newbie-moron welcomer.... P.S. Seth... you know i wouldn't be able to resist this :) - -- Jeremy Crocker, A.K.A unGod j_crocke@eos.ncsu.edu http://www4.ncsu.edu/eos/users/j/j_crocke/WWW/home.html "somewhere through a thousand blues a dragonfly descends with just a whisper. i'm lonelier than god, and all my wishes spin the fishes in the air and everyone a different shade of you" - "suicide machine", by Hum ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: working on a beautiful saturday afternoon :-( Hey List! a couple rec. co. weasel questions and a comment: 1. Has anyone seen the issue of Billboard that would have figures for vinyl sales of DoTU. Did they chart? I know PJam charted with one of their vinyl totals. 2. If the vinyl numbers have been released...when will the sales for the CD and tapes be released? IF SG debuts at #1 (very likely), will the official web page (or official mailing list) have some sort of "Thank You" to the fans? Let's see how classy they are ;-) (lurkers...get to work! :-) 3. Can anyone else from Australia verify the Polygram video promo? Is there really 18 videos? (3 of each?) comment: It has come to my attention that the 'alleged' radio only promo that I immediately labeled as a bootleg may actually be a real release. It also may already be bootlegged! So be careful when you spend your dough. Make sure you see the A&M seal of approval. I'll post any updates on the validity of this item in the discog's. "Is it a crisis? or a boring change?", Steve - - srussell@epix.net - - http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~swr (now listed in Yahoo!) - - SG Web Alliance - - "I'm looking California...and feeling Chautauqua" ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: AAAUUGGGHHH!!! Bad review!! SH> But then, of course, there's the message behind it all, and that's SH>where Down stumbles. Badly. Cornell wrote they lyrics to all but one of th SH>songs here and, as on past CD's, his shortcomings are quickly evident: He's SH>both vague and grouchy. Isn't John Lennon considered one of the best lyricists of all time? Aren't his lyrics vague and grouchy? Not that Hold my Hand shit, but the later stuff. SH> As a result, despite a number of very good songs (among them Noose, SH>Tighter and Dusty) Down can't help but feel long-winded. Those are three of my favorite songs on the album...gee, now I know they're long winded. I didn't realize that. SH>but at their core they too often offer just SH>a gray, static weariness of spirit. I wonder what he said about Nine Inch Nails. Nothingman -The Hand of God's got a ring about the size of Texas. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Tighter and Tighter MA>That new song "Tighter and Tighter" from the new record is incredible! I would have to agree. The solo on Tighter & Tighter is kinda like the one on Rhinosaur, just not quite as fast (I think, unless I'm getting something confused again). Nothingman -Hi. I'm Ty Cobb. Fuck you. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: DOTU CH>Also, has anyone else been utterly embarrassed when driving your CH>automovehicle (a Mr. Champagnerism) singing along to DOTU with your CH>windows down at the top of your lungs and having the whole population CH>look at you like you have lobsters crawling out of your ears or am I the CH>only one? :) I sing to DOTU at the top of my lungs with my windows down, but I'm never listening to DOTU. Mainly because my tape player caught on fire and ceased to work, so I have the radio on, which never has ANYTHING from DOTU, but yet, I'm singing Burden in my Hand, or Pretty Noose, or another favorite at the top of my lungs, to everything BUT Soundgarden. Oh well. Nothingman -I'm a half-ass monkey boy. ------------------------------ From: Foxymophandlemama <76345.3722@CompuServe.COM> Subject: he he heh..... hi darlings, finals are *finally* over (hooray for me!!!!!!) and so, you'll probably be hearing from me a lot more...... ooooohhhhhhh i just love DOTU, got the vinyl, got the CD, and got the tape....... anybody like zero chance and applebite as much as me?? oh, i've been wonderin': does anyone know exactly how many copies of vinyl were pressed? i heard from someone 2000, true? ok, i've tried and failed many, many times to obtain a copy of SOMMS, and the Jap import of Superunknown. so if anybody, anywhere can help me get these, the gods will greatly bless you. my boyfriend's birthday is coming up in june and i promised myself i would have some cool SG import or something for him, so PLEASE help if you can...... that's it for now, see ya... - -moppy ------------------------------ From: "Limo Wreck" Subject: "blow up" analysis "blow up the outside world" feels like a love song to me. Dunno.. it just gives me that feeling like i'm missing someone. Even the lyrics are a bit lonely... "i've givin' everything i need I'd give you everything I own I'd give in if it could at least be ours alone I've given everything i could" then.... the writer, being sick of the relationship, or pissed off at something that the other person has done to hurt them, thinks he should just blow up the world... "to blow it to hell and gone burrow down in and blow up the outside world" just my analysis... jerm - -- Jeremy Crocker, A.K.A unGod j_crocke@eos.ncsu.edu http://www4.ncsu.edu/eos/users/j/j_crocke/WWW/home.html "somewhere through a thousand blues a dragonfly descends with just a whisper. i'm lonelier than god, and all my wishes spin the fishes in the air and everyone a different shade of you" - "suicide machine", by Hum ------------------------------ From: sean@ramoth.unl.edu (Sean McCarthy) Subject: YEAH!!!!! Hey All.. Yes! Yes! Yes! Friggin eh... For 3 weeks, I have to live with my mom while an apartment opens up, nontheless, it sucks rocks. Especially when I have DOTU in the palm of my hand. Its screaming "Play me LOUD" So...I finally have the chance, right now! Family is gone to a family reunion in some backward town in Iowa. Place to myself(I had to work today, couldn't go, bummers) Now, I have a brew in my hand and totally blaring DOTU, it rocks so hard! I love it just because I know this CD will grow on me with repeat listens. I raved to a co-worker about it, he picked it up and totally dug it. He had no idea why so many critics said it was just a 'good' album. Some bands are great doing what they do best, straightforeward rock. No one got on the Replacements ass for doing straightforeward pop, don't see the difference with these boys. Well, gotta get a rum and coke and keep the buzzz going. Laters Peace ! ------------------------------ From: dao5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Critics who should die, ethnicity Sommites, Shroom don't get yourself all in a huff over that reviewer, it's obvious he doesn't know what the hell he is talking about. He's probably one of those kids who sat in english class in high school and said "huh I don't get it" whenever the class would analyze something. Hmm... I forgot your handle but yes they are other african american members of the list. It's kind of interesting that I have always found that sg fans are the most diverse in terms of ethnicity and musical tastes. That why I like sg concerts the pacific northwest is just a tad on the racist side, and sg concerts always have a diverse group of people at them. Just as well since I have a diverse heritage, Nigerian, English, Scottish, over 3/4 nigerian though. Anyway I have go watch baseball now, btw it's really a big deal that Eddie Vedder went to rodmans bday party. (Not that I'm a vedder fan) but Randy Johnson got to hang out in the studio for the recording of superunk. (Lucky Fuck) Also Kim Thayil has been spotted at Mariners games sitting with Jay Buhners wife, it was funny how the announcer spotted her and not him. If it was vedder or courtney love they would have her in the booth. C-ya Clown -My ancestors are at war with each other, kind of gives new meaning to genetic warfare huh? ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: Boot Camp In the Friday Digest R. Maney wrote: > the lyrics are not too complex obviously but this is a hindrance actually > in its decipherability, too many interpretations!! however, it seems > clear to me that whoever is speaking wants OUT but they are stuck where > they are. now, are they stuck, or have they just decided to stay by there > own choice? i like the play on words "there must be something good > faraway but im here for good" i guess what i meant to say was does "for > good" mean forever as it does when we say it in everyday usage or is he > saying for the good of himself? I see Boot Camp as kind of a follow-up to the feeling of being stifled creatively in Drawing Flies, except now the subject is talking about how he has to "behave" in public: I must obey the rules, I must be tame and cool It reminds me of the feeling the band must have when they are being interviewed. "In clusters of the mice" could be the public, "The smoke is in our eyes" could be about the way other artists' views of themselves get clouded by their popularity, as in getting too full of themselves. Soundgarden, thank God, has never done that, but it must be tempting at times. "Like babies on display Like angels in a cage" I think carries on the interview or "public display" image. I can't figure out either whether he really wants out or if he would just prefer the situation to change so it doesn't feel so suffocating. I also like what you said, Matt, about how the ending carries over the restraint the whole song is about. Thats pretty brilliant songwriting if you ask me. ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: SG Bandwagon > Not os long ago there were those who were in a bunch thinking aobut new > fans jumping on the Sg bandwagon. From my p.o.v. after lsitening to > DOTU, we aren't going to have to worry about that. This is a pure Sg > album. Pure Sg which may only appeal to those already into Sg. Does > anyone else have any reactions to the album in THAT aspect? How do you > think it's going to appeal to a non-Sg person? I had a similar thought, Deb. I wondered how people who jumped on after SuperUnknown would like it (no offense to those on the list of course because you seem to clearly like Soundgarden in all their glory). ------------------------------ Subject: Re: PN and biblical stuff... From: Ben Timberlake >Alright, since this song (Pretty Noose) is about "an attractively packaged >bad idea", this most likely is a reference to the Garden of Eden. The snake >made it seem like eating the fruit was a great idea when he conned Eve into >eating it. However, the consequences of eating the fruit were bad. >Therefore it was "an attractively packaged bad idea" >Thank you goodnight Hmm, I would somewhat agree with that. When you catch biblical and literary references in songs and other literature, they ususally aren't about that thing. Rather, the Garden of Eden reference is used to highlight, or point to what Chris is singing about. It takes an event that is recognized as being common knowledge and uses it to illustrate the idea. The apple was a pretty noose. The song talks about a new term and uses a famous example to explain itself. I think I may have said the same thing ten different ways there, so I hope one of them made sense. -- Ben Ben Timberlake "The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est, Northwestern University Pro patria mori." Medill School of Journalism -- Wilfred Owen btimlake@nwu.edu -30- *Check out my dorm's web page!* http://www.stuaff.nwu.edu/crc/ "They say if you look hard / You'll find your way back home Born without a friend / And bound to die alone." -- Chris Cornell, "Zero Chance" ------------------------------ Subject: Chart position From: Ben Timberlake I haven't seen a new issue of Rolling Stone or Billboard yet with the album positions. But, for what it's worth, at Blockbuster Music, DOTU is #4 on the wall of "Top Twenty." I don't know on what they base their information, but it's only $11.98 if someone hasn't bought it yet. And if you haven't yet bought it, FOR GOD'S SAKE WHY NOT?? You should sell your relatives to get this album. Okay, maybe not, but at least sell yourself and sell everything you love (quick! reference to what song?). -- Ben Ben Timberlake "The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est, Northwestern University Pro patria mori." Medill School of Journalism -- Wilfred Owen btimlake@nwu.edu -30- *Check out my dorm's web page!* http://www.stuaff.nwu.edu/crc/ "They say if you look hard / You'll find your way back home Born without a friend / And bound to die alone." -- Chris Cornell, "Zero Chance" ------------------------------ From: Outshined@aol.com Subject: Rhinosaur... >> I didn't have DOTU yet, and there's a song which name I really love, >> this message is to those who already listen to that song. I've been >> listen commentaries about it, like "it is a good track",or people who >> said that is the worst song of the record. I'd like to know the >> opinion of each one of you. I dunno... personally, "Rhinosaur" is one of my favorites on the album... I really like the lyrics, plus the riff is really catchy (anyone else think that it kinda sounds like "Smokestack Lightning"?)... As for the solo, Kim turns out a real wah-wah fest after the time change... sounds really raw and it's fun to listen to... there's another solo towards the end of the song which sounds better... Definately NOT the worst on the record. ------------------------------ From: Outshined@aol.com Subject: several DOTU ramblings... I'm responding to a couple different threads in the same post, so bear with me... >> My take on the third verse: >> So follow me into the desert >> As desperate as you are >> The moon is glued to a picture of the heavens >> And all the little pigs have gone >> Nate Good call... this is exactly what I think he's saying... wonder what's up with the liner notes? >> ANyone agree that the album cover looks a bit like the superunknown cover? >> Maybe its from the same photo shoot. yep... not that that's a bad thing... I think the cover is cool, though I like Superunknown's artwork way more that DOTU's... >> I think this album has more solos then before, but that is great because >> Kim (i assume he plays most of the solos) is playing great, I'm suprised that >> Kim only contributed to one song, and Chris is still the main song writer. I nothiced this too, and I think it's great! The solos in "Tighter and Tighter" and "Never The Machine Forever" sound awesome... Even though Ben wrote the lyrics for one song, and the music for about three, Chris still wrote the lyrics for thirteen of the songs... not to cut on the rest of the band, but my favorite songs always seem to end up being the ones Chris has written, though I think NTMF is one of the album's best... >> One more thing Blow up the Outside World is the best. What is the next >> single? Any B-sides that are not album songs. I don't know if I have a favorite song on the album yet... but BUtOW is definately great... I'm curious to hear the songs that didn't make the album (if they exist... the early track list had some songs called "Christi", "Bleed Together", "Karaoke"...) wonder what became of them...? ------------------------------ From: Foxymophandlemama <76345.3722@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: on the subject of lolla... you're not the only one pissed. my mom said she'd go, as long as i pay for her ticket. i can't afford 40 bucks or whatever the hell it is for both of us, plus food, plus tshirts, plus a hotel room, gas, and drinks during the show (considering how hot it will be). c'mon, who can afford this? i don't even have a job :-( might have to kiss this one goodbye........ moppy ------------------------------ From: "Limo Wreck" Subject: MORE web schtuff I found some guitar tabs for Hater.... http://harmony-central.mit.edu/Guitar/OLGA/all/hater.html ________________________________________________________________________________ bunch of Soundgarden stuff at http://harmony-central.mit.edu/Guitar/OLGA/all/soundgarden.html ________________________________________________________________________________ a Truly bad review... :) http://www.iuma.com/Strobe/issues/102/REC.html ________________________________________________________________________________ oh yeah.. a TRULY HOMEPAGE... :) http://www.eburg.com/~akehurst/truly/index.html ________________________________________________________________________________ an eMpTyV review of "down on.." at .. (oh yeah, Seth.. steal the pictures too) http://mtv.com/music/bio/biodata/soundgarden.html ________________________________________________________________________________ and this little tidbit about Superunknown... http://www.webb.com/concrete/snd.html ________________________________________________________________________________ uh... can anyone slap this guy enough? http://www.nwlink.com/~leroy/soundgarden/soundgarden.html ________________________________________________________________________________ here's something thats pretty funny :) http://mars.utm.edu/~jasrtipp/box/box5/b5p5.html ________________________________________________________________________________ here's a small Soundgarden page.. don't know if its linked from the Perlman's page.. so pardon my ignorance. I can't be perfect all the time, but 90% is good. http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~avif/Soundgarden/superunknown.html ________________________________________________________________________________ ok.. for all you people that live in the Netherlands.. i found this.. hehehehe http://www.bnc.nl/sirene/html/46246001.html ________________________________________________________________________________ - -- Jeremy Crocker, A.K.A unGod j_crocke@eos.ncsu.edu http://www4.ncsu.edu/eos/users/j/j_crocke/WWW/home.html "somewhere through a thousand blues a dragonfly descends with just a whisper. i'm lonelier than god, and all my wishes spin the fishes in the air and everyone a different shade of you" - "suicide machine", by Hum ------------------------------ From: Stella Rogers Subject: Finally a good review! I was lurking around MTV on AOL. They had a review of DotU. It was a good review to say the least. But it mostly compared them to the Beatles. Anyways I copied it for all you non-aolers out there. So read on... - -------------------- "SOUNDGARDEN - Down On The Upside (A&M) With their last record, "SUPERUNKNOWN," Soundgarden pretty much cemented their rightful place at the center of rock and metal's '90s fusion. They made the move from Seattle "grunge" to mainstream heavy rotation (did anyone not have "Black Hole Sun" looping through their brain in the summer of '94?) without losing their recognizable brawny, dynamic sound. In an era of music laced with self-loathing and fears/accusations of "selling out," Soundgarden is refreshingly unafraid to play arena-size rock (they'll remind other Lollapalloozers how it's done this summer). The band's new album, "DOWN ON THE UPSIDE," their fifth, isn't a radical departure or milestone, but rather a journey farther into the familiar Soundgarden territory; with its masterful, epic feel, the album is also a throwback to the hard-rock heyday of '70s bands like Led Zeppelin and, yes, Pink Floyd. The first song, "Pretty Noose," is already flooding radio airwaves, and with good reason. It's a study in the band's signature heaviosity and staircase chord progressions. Unlike some of his self-effacing peers, Chris Cornell sees no need to bury his vocals deep in the mix, so his strained voice adds edge. The basic formula may seem simple, but the result is actually quite sophisticated. It'll be hard for anyone to resist indulging in a little head-banging to this tune and to the one that follows, "Rhinosaur," which is fully informed by Led Zep with a good dose of Aerosmith's coarseness. It's Kim Thayil's bombastic lead guitar riffs and Matt Cameron's piledriving drumming that count the most on this record; the lyrics are simple sketches of different emotions, as in the punkish hootenanny of "Ty Cobb," with a refrain that can't be printed here, or, on "Pretty Noose," "Let your motor race/Pick it up/And get this mother gone." One of the most intriguing aspects about this band is that they sound eerily like the Beatles at their darkest--but thirty years later, with the addition of crunching metal chords. Don't forget that Soundgarden recorded a hoarse, heavy cover of "Come Together"; check "Tighter & Tighter" on this record for echoes of that song's moody, buzzing bass and guitar. The reverb, melodic ferocity and chanted underwater ending of "Blow Up the Outside World" is another similar visitation. Take it as a mark of Soundgarden's musical depth and complexity, and also of their aspirations; you can count on this band not to self-destruct. As Cornell sings in "Blow Up the Outside World," "No matter how hard I fall nothing can break me at all." - -- Jessica Lustig" - ------------------------------------------- =) srogers ------------------------------ From: "Limo Wreck" Subject: some more stuff :) an article about the woman we all know and love.. Susan Silver :) http://www.indieweb.com/rockrgrl/5/silver.html ________________________________________________________________________________ and for all you drummers out there... Matt's setup :) http://www.zildjian.com/html/mcameron.htm ________________________________________________________________________________ here's a small picture of the boys... **warning: a picture of Hootie and the Fishblow is on the same page** http://www.pro-am.com/ngi/joe.htm ________________________________________________________________________________ ok... done for now :) jerm, the assistant (do i get paid for this Seth?) - -- Jeremy Crocker, A.K.A unGod j_crocke@eos.ncsu.edu http://www4.ncsu.edu/eos/users/j/j_crocke/WWW/home.html "somewhere through a thousand blues a dragonfly descends with just a whisper. i'm lonelier than god, and all my wishes spin the fishes in the air and everyone a different shade of you" - "suicide machine", by Hum ------------------------------ From: "Limo Wreck" Subject: Re: some more stuff :) > > > jerm, the assistant (do i get paid for this Seth?) > > sure, i'll give you 10% of everythiug i make from the sg page! hell, > i'll give you 95% of everything i make! > > generous as always, > seth wow... i can feel the royalties being cashed already.. i bet in a few months, i'll be able to afford a soda :) jerm, the sarcastic motherfucker (no.. not mine, yours) - -- Jeremy Crocker, A.K.A unGod j_crocke@eos.ncsu.edu http://www4.ncsu.edu/eos/users/j/j_crocke/WWW/home.html "somewhere through a thousand blues a dragonfly descends with just a whisper. i'm lonelier than god, and all my wishes spin the fishes in the air and everyone a different shade of you" - "suicide machine", by Hum ------------------------------ From: Adrian Alcock Subject: Re: Anyone Listenin As an addendum to Aleko's post... A best of album without Loud Love? I reckon Birth Ritual would also find a spot there too. And it should be a double CD best of extravaganza sorta deal. Oh well.... Back to the stereo. ------------------------------ From: "Limo Wreck" Subject: something in "boot camp" i was listening to "boot camp" through big-ass head phones and I noticed something at the beginning... about 30 or so seconds into it (at the first big cymbal crash), there is an underlying dub. It sounds like the guy from the "big dumb sex" edit version that says "be a nice person, take your vitamins...... go out and sleep with whoever they want, kill your parents." BUT, I could't make out to much because the dub wasn't recorded loud at all. So... i think he's saying something like "children should obey their parents.... stay in school".... or something along those lines. Some more info sommites? jerm, the bored one - -- Jeremy Crocker, A.K.A unGod j_crocke@eos.ncsu.edu http://www4.ncsu.edu/eos/users/j/j_crocke/WWW/home.html "somewhere through a thousand blues a dragonfly descends with just a whisper. i'm lonelier than god, and all my wishes spin the fishes in the air and everyone a different shade of you" - "suicide machine", by Hum ------------------------------ From: "Limo Wreck" Subject: some Truly stuff Steve (and the rest of you), I found this Truly discography.... don't know if you do that or even need this, but here it is anyway :) http://pwp.usa.pipeline.com/~negative_creep/truly.html jerm - -- Jeremy Crocker, A.K.A unGod j_crocke@eos.ncsu.edu http://www4.ncsu.edu/eos/users/j/j_crocke/WWW/home.html "somewhere through a thousand blues a dragonfly descends with just a whisper. i'm lonelier than god, and all my wishes spin the fishes in the air and everyone a different shade of you" - "suicide machine", by Hum ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: Finally a good review! >I was lurking around MTV on AOL. They had a review of DotU. It was a good >review to say the least. Forgive my drunken ramblings... but OF COURSE MTV is going to have a good review of Soundgarden. MTV is the original kiss-ass. When have they EVER said a bad word against ANYBODY except maybe VH-1? Heheheh... They even like HOOTIE!!!! Ummm... sorry... I hate MTV... THEY SHOT THE WRONG KENNEDY!!! Just sharing... Shroom "I'm so wasted... Take me home." ~ Gren ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 136] ****************************************