From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 24 May 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 02:28:49 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Friday, 24 May 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: RHINOSAUR Re: Shirts. . . boot camp DOTU Re: like babies on display... The A&M Demo Sessions My Summation Re: Pretty Tunings... ATTENTION!!! CHECK THIS OUT!!! NOW GOD DAMN IT!!!! Re: a sucking holy wind... HERE COME DA JUDGE!!! Re: a sucking holy wind... Re: Pretty Tunings... Re: DOTU RHINOSAUR mercurial Re: lolla and mgmt... Bootie Camp Re: Pretty Tunings... Inf. Soule news and DOTU Re: Dusty Lyric typos and stuff Ultramega demo boot My publishable review The real story behind Nadatosay-->Summation Screaming Trees from today's atn Exchange Rates the skulls beneath my feet... Re: RHINOSAUR Re: the skulls beneath my feet... with a swarm of motorflys... matt 'seaweed' cameron... New album opinions Photo, Kim's playing ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Robin Brookeneck Subject: RHINOSAUR I didn't have DOTU yet, and there's a song which name I really love, this message is to those who already listen to that song. I've been listen commentaries about it, like "it is a good track",or people who said that is the worst song of the record. I'd like to know the opinion of each one of you. Thanks ROBIN. LOve is lIKe suICIDe *********************************************** Universidad Regiomontana Division de ciencias Economicas Administrativas http://www.ur.mx/ *********************************************** ------------------------------ From: ar303921@student.uq.edu.au (Lee Christensen) Subject: Re: Shirts. . . >Hey Rc, > > I think it would be funny to send a list T-Shirt to Silver >Management for the band. Maybe Frank could help (sorry Frank), but I >think it would be funny to see a band member as a "Sommite". Cool idea :) would be great, especially if they did actually wear it :) But then again management would probably get it and go 'what the fuck is this' and sue us for umm using the fork :) :) it would let em know we are still here i guess and maybe prod SG into joining / checking out / writing to the list one time. seeya Lee ------------------------------ From: lance123@primenet.com (Bob Benton) Subject: The Saturday night live show was pretty good but what was up with the telecaster. Only Bruce Springsteen should play that. ------------------------------ From: "R. Maney" Subject: boot camp ok, with all the great feedback already coming in about the meaning of never the machine...i feel the time is right to throw in boot camp, my thoughts.. first of all, after someone on the list (i forget who) mentioned that the abrupt ending made sense "all of a sudden" i listened to it again at night, with headphones and the lights out and felt the same way. the song moves me, its has latched on and will not let go, i think it has some strange power... the lyrics are not too complex obviously but this is a hindrance actually in its decipherability, too many interpretations!! however, it seems clear to me that whoever is speaking wants OUT but they are stuck where they are. now, are they stuck, or have they just decided to stay by there own choice? i like the play on words "there must be something good faraway but im here for good" i guess what i meant to say was does "for good" mean forever as it does when we say it in everyday usage or is he saying for the good of himself? about the title, boot camp is a part of ones military career where discipline and domination are at their peak, seems to fit in with the lyrics. the ending, i agreed with most of the posts at first that it could have gone on forever but now i think the truncation makes sense. BUT I CANT EXPLAIN IT, jesus this is tough... any thoughts...? ------------------------------ From: Warren Dyson Subject: DOTU YEEESS!!! I'm now (finaly) the proud owner of DOTU..... I'm sooo HaPPy!!! But seriously, I got it on Tuesday afternoon, took it home and gave it a quick listen... I have to admit, at first I thought 'Aaaarghh, the bloke from NME was right!!!', *BUT* last night I listened to the whole thing in my car whilst driving to see my girlfriend :) .... THIS IS THE BEST SOUNDGARDEN ALBUM EVER. NO EXCEPTIONS. Help!!! I can't get those tunes out of my head!!!!! Current flavours are :- 1. Blow up the outside world. 2. Never the machine forever (Damn, this is HEAVY :>) 3. Dusty 4. Applebite. (A wonderfull interlude, esp. if you're caned at the time) 5. Burden in my hand By the way, is there any way to get a SOMMS shirt if you live in the UK ? I really hope they decide to tour the UK properly this time, 'cos I don't think they realise what a strong fan-base they've got here.... That's it for now, Cheerio, ----- God Am P.S. Did anyone else get a little yellow Soundgarden badge with DOTU ??? +============================================================================+ | | | WaRreN DySOn - _____ .__ .__ | | / \ ____ ____________|__|____ | |_ | | Guitar / \ / \_/ __ \/ ___/ ___/| |\__ \| \ | | / Y \ ____\___ \___ \| |/ __ | T \ | | \____|__ /\__ /____ /___ /|__|___ |__| / | | \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ | | | | & Software Engineer - warren@anchor.co.uk | | | | "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to | | anyone, but they've always worked for me." | | -- Hunter S. Thompson | | | +============================================================================+ ------------------------------ Subject: Re: like babies on display... From: "Matthew Lawrence" > > On Wed, 22 May 1996, Michael M Holliday wrote: > > > Is it just me, or does anyone else get affected when they listen to Boot Camp? > > I don't know if it's the lyrics or the way the song ends kind of abruptly, but > > each time I listen to it, it really hits me. I kind of feel like Chris sets > > up a mood, but there's no resolution. Not that we'd expect any 'happily ever- > > good point michael. boot camp certainly is a cool song. and it > does leave you without resolution, like how mailman can trap you. also, > on most of the albums I've heard (not just soundgarden's) it seems like > they all end with a big epic sort of song with big guitars and plenty of > atmosphere (ie like suicide or new damage). when I first heard bootcamp > (which is in my mind no longer a buttrock title) I thought 'oh cool, all > this talking in the background and whispery guitars, this is going to be a > *huge* song'. and the vocals were getting more insistent, and the drums > were growing larger by the second, increasing my anxiousness. and then > suddenly, it ends. all that for nothing :) I was thinking along the same lines.. It seems like the whole song is about being restrained, just when you're expecting the big power-chord fest and screaming and stuff, it finishes.. It's a lot like Blow up the Outside World without the chorus, if you know what I mean. It's brooding in the same way, but not aggressively so.. It's actually quite un-soundgarden in my opinion, you'd expect broodiness to transform into rage as per The Day I Tried to Live, Blow Up the Outside World et al. Somehow, though, this time it fits that there wasn't a big screaming chorus, there's something about this song that doesn't need to be shouted about. In fact, I actually think that a big chorus would ruin the song in some respects. Matt ------------------------------ From: champagne.supernova@thenexus.com Subject: The A&M Demo Sessions RC>SR>------------------------------------------ RC>SR>The A&M Demo Sessions RC>SR>4. Summation RC>I saw this song on some Seattle demo CD thingy. Someone told me it's RC>just some other song that we all know that I can't remember right now, RC>with a different title. I think I saw someplace that Nothing To Say used to be called This Is My Summation, so that MIGHT be it. Champagne. ------------------------------ Subject: My Summation From: Brydon Cheyney CS95 'My Summation' I've seen this somewhere before... ... was it a working title for 'Nothing To Say'? Any Help? Some of you know. Cheers Brydon ------------------------------ From: Nate Crosswhite Subject: Re: Pretty Tunings... At 12:52 AM 5/23/96 EDT, you wrote: >JG>The correct tuning for Burden is C G C G G E.Low to high. >JG>My mistake,I hope you won't flame to much for this. >JG>Sleep deprived Gonzo. > >I noticed that the low C and low G strings are the same as Pretty >Noose. Maybe that's the tuning they used for Pretty Noose. I played For you guitar players on the list, a question: When I drop the tuning of the lower strings (e.g. E->D->C or A->G) they get a little too loose, and I get some buzzing. For an acoustic guitar (or electric, for that mater) will changing the weight of the strings help this? What do you recommend? Nate ------------------------------ Subject: ATTENTION!!! CHECK THIS OUT!!! NOW GOD DAMN IT!!!! From: Brydon Cheyney CS95 Woooaah, fellow SOMMites, I think I've hit big here. If I'm right in thinking that the CLEAR Vinyl is European, only to be sold in Independent Stores, and is limited to only 1500, I can make your American day! It was only this afternoon... I strolled out to Missing Records Second hand store, browsed, picked up LTL on CD (at last, dirsctly to LL!) and Jane's Addiction's first, decided to check out the first-hand store for, by chance a copy of the Clear Vinyl... ... they Didn't have 1 copy... ... hell, they didn't have 2... THEY HAD 15!!! 15!!! 15!!! I kid you not! 15 copies of the LIMITED EDITION GATEFOLD CLEAR VINYL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So I'm willing to trade a copy for a copy of SOMMS, Loudest Love, Louder Than Live (especially) or Fresh Deadly Rarities... ... else... I'll offer to buy it for anyone else who wants a copy. It's priced 9.99, which is near as damned $15. Add whatever the postage cost would be and well, it's yours. I'll need the money yesterday, as many of you know I'm going home around the 5th June, so the money will have to come in soon. But I really would prefer to trade as I REALLY WANT the above items! Let me know what you think people, SOON!!!!!!!!!!!!! Once I have an idea of how many people are interested I'll work something out. Cheers, BC ------------------------------ From: Gonzo Subject: Re: a sucking holy wind... At 01:27 PM 5/23/96 +1000, Blind Dog wrote: >> > also, did anyone else note that they left out the third verse >lyrics to burden on the liner notes to dotu? the ones that go 'the moon is >glued to a picture of heaven and...' or something similar. a typo or on >purpose? Yeah,I noticed that, last night , while I was attempting to figure out the guitar part to burden.what's up with that?Has anyone figured out what Chris is singing on that third verse? ------------------------------ From: jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu (grote) Subject: HERE COME DA JUDGE!!! > As far as I know, no one here is trying to make money off the web page or > mailing list...hence, no trademeark violation... > > just setting the record semi-straight without out charging by the hour... > > Later......Brian thanks, brian...you summed up in a nutshell what i was planning on posting this morning since i didn't have time yesterday after i saw this whole legal thread. i just finished a 3-month research project for a communications law class...my topic was copyright and trademark restrictions on the internet, and under the current regulatory system that the internet operates under, you're absolutely right. domain names have traditionally been registered on a strictly first-come first-serve basis, by a company called (i think) network solutions, inc. this is apparently changing, however (and may have changed already...there are a lot of mainframe responsibility shifts going on right now that many people aren't aware of). for more info on all of this, there's a fantastic book called "cyberspace and the law"...i can't remember who wrote it right now...that functioned as my bible during the course of my project. HIGHLY recommended to any internet user... a few of the legal cases that i came across in my research project were quite unique, and it will be interesting to see how issues like this are handled in the future. one case involved kaplan (the collegiate test publishers) and another company that operated as a direct competitor. apparently the competitor registered their domain site as "kaplan.com" just to mess with the kaplan folks. kaplan sued and won, because (as brian pointed out with the sg case) the key to having a case is that the sale of goods and services is involved and directly affected by the violation...otherwise no trademark issue. anyway, thanks for the free legal perspective, brian...i'll be getting in touch with you in the near future regarding a certain event that happened to me in france last week. (kidding :) but tell me...wouldn't a restaurant in the u.s. be in quite a bit of trouble if they served a customer a bowl of chocolate mousse complete with three shards of broken glass???? i'm no matlock, but...) :) later... - -- ######################################################################## # GROTE!!!!! "I don't remember half the time # # If I'm hiding or I'm lost # # jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu But I'm on my way....." -Chris Cornell # ######################################################################## ------------------------------ From: Nate Crosswhite Subject: Re: a sucking holy wind... >> also, did anyone else note that they left out the third verse >>lyrics to burden on the liner notes to dotu? the ones that go 'the moon is >>glued to a picture of heaven and...' or something similar. a typo or on >>purpose? >Yeah,I noticed that, last night , while I was attempting to figure out the >guitar part to burden.what's up with that?Has anyone figured out what >Chris is singing on that third verse? > My take on the third verse: So follow me into the desert As desperate as you are The moon is glued to a picture of the heavens And all the little pigs have gone Nate ------------------------------ From: Gonzo Subject: Re: Pretty Tunings... At 10:08 AM 5/23/96 -0400, you wrote: >At 12:52 AM 5/23/96 EDT, you wrote: >>JG>The correct tuning for Burden is C G C G G E.Low to high. >>I noticed that the low C and low G strings are the same as Pretty >>Noose. Maybe that's the tuning they used for Pretty Noose. I played > >For you guitar players on the list, a question: When I drop the tuning >of the lower strings (e.g. E->D->C or A->G) they get a little too loose, >and I get some buzzing. For an acoustic guitar (or electric, for that >mater) will changing the weight of the strings help this? What do you >recommend? > >Nate Yes,going to a lower gage string will alleviate the buzzing to a certain degree. But the problem may also be caused by the action of the neck.Meaning ,the height of the string from the fret board.Warning ,changing the gauge of guitar strings will affect intonation.low action,string very closed to the frets,tends to cause buzzing,especially if your the neck is warped.consult a guitar tech. for assistance. What gauge strings are you using on your guitar?If you like to experiment, and the guitar bridge is adjustable.Raise the height of the bridge and that should eliminate string buzz. Gonzo ------------------------------ From: Gonzo Subject: Re: DOTU At 10:05 AM 5/23/96 +0100, you wrote: >By the way, is there any way to get a SOMMS shirt if you live in the UK ? I believe may 20,96 was the last day money was being accepted for Somms tees Is that right Nothingman? >I really hope they decide to tour the UK properly this time, 'cos I don't > ----- God Am > >P.S. Did anyone else get a little yellow Soundgarden badge with DOTU ??? You are talking about the DOTU cd, that comes with a metal Soundgarden Badge and A laminated back stage pass.Is that a limited edition package? I had my Friend at the music store pre-order one for me.He told it's not available yet,but he did pre-order one for me. Gonzo >+============================================================================+ >| | >| WaRreN DySOn - _____ .__ .__ | >| / \ ____ ____________|__|____ | |_ | >| Guitar / \ / \_/ __ \/ ___/ ___/| |\__ \| \ | >| / Y \ ____\___ \___ \| |/ __ | T \ | >| \____|__ /\__ /____ /___ /|__|___ |__| / | >| \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ | >| | >| & Software Engineer - warren@anchor.co.uk | >| | >| "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to | >| anyone, but they've always worked for me." | >| -- Hunter S. Thompson | >| | >+============================================================================+ > > > ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: RHINOSAUR AL>I didn't have DOTU yet, and there's a song which name I really love, this AL>message is to those who already listen to that song. I've been listen AL>commentaries about it, like "it is a good track",or people who said that is AL>the worst song of the record. I'd like to know the opinion of each one of yo I didn't like it at first, but it's growing on me very fast. Nothingman -That riff just latches on and won't let go. ------------------------------ From: rea49625@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu (Rebecca Agrait) Subject: mercurial >Oh yeah, didn't Shakespeare use the word Mercurial in one of his plays? >I think it meant hot-tempered. I'm sure it was referring to a persons >personality in some respect. In Romeo and Juliet one of the main characters was named Mercutio. A comic and bawdy character, not really hot-headed..well sort of. He was Romeo's cousin, the one who got killed. Maybe that's what you were reffering to Geoff. I dont really know what that would have to do with NTMF though. Hasswipee's Home Page http://pegasus.cc.ucf.edu/~rea49625/ ------------------------------ From: Chris Mansfield Subject: Re: lolla and mgmt... >They said the reason they decided to do Lolla is because they liked the >other bands on the bill, and they wanted to see them, and tour with >them, because they are friends as well as fans. It's not like they can >go to concerts like we can to see their favorite bands. and why not?... i've been to several shows in the last two months and members of R.E.M. were spotted at two of them and Mike McCready is *everywhere*. if they're worried about a mob scene they really shouldn't be. club owners around here let famous people in through the side door and provide places for them to watch the show from a vantage point where fans can't pester them. hell, at the iggy pop show mccready was standing by the soundboard and i didn't see anyone bothering him. if SG doesn't get out of the house that's their own fault... >So instead of going to their concerts, they tour with them, which would be >going to their concerts in a weird twisted everyday kinda thing. ...although i concede that this is the smarter thing to do if you're in a position to make it happen. ;) :) :) Chris ------------------------------ From: "Kyle Petty, Son of Richard" Subject: Bootie Camp I tottaly agree that Bootcamp kicks real BOOTIE! (pun intended). I'd have to say that musically, BC really leaves you hanging but lyrically(sp?) the song makes much sense. Have y'all noticed how he says: "There must be something good, far away from here." And right after it's building up he says something like: "And I'll begin to leave" (don't quote me on this). And at the real end he says: "For good" So I guess it's the lyrics that make sense here 'cause he wants to leave so he leaves and doesn't give a **** for the song...OK I'll shut up and lay off the crack...sorry! Peace! \/ Andrew Northcutt http://www.ee.fit.edu/users/northcut/ Add a: "TABS/" to see my SG tabs ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Pretty Tunings... From: "Matthew Lawrence" > > At 12:52 AM 5/23/96 EDT, you wrote: > >JG>The correct tuning for Burden is C G C G G E.Low to high. > >JG>My mistake,I hope you won't flame to much for this. > >JG>Sleep deprived Gonzo. > > > >I noticed that the low C and low G strings are the same as Pretty > >Noose. Maybe that's the tuning they used for Pretty Noose. I played > > For you guitar players on the list, a question: When I drop the tuning > of the lower strings (e.g. E->D->C or A->G) they get a little too loose, > and I get some buzzing. For an acoustic guitar (or electric, for that > mater) will changing the weight of the strings help this? What do you > recommend? > I don't have those troubles, even if I tune down to B on the E string.. Then again, I can't tune my guitar to EEBBBB because the G string always breaks, so it may be my strings that are different.. But I think it's more a case of action, not all guitars have adjustable action, but I'd imagine that if you did adjust your action even a little, it might help. Matt ------------------------------ From: Gail >From: mmholliday@attmail.com (Michael M Holliday) >Subject: Boot Camp >Hey everybody, >Is it just me, or does anyone else get affected when they listen to >Boot Camp? I don't know if it's the lyrics or the way the song ends >kind of abruptly, but each time I listen to it, it really hits me. I >kind of feel like Chris sets up a mood, but there's no resolution. >Not that we'd expect any 'happily ever- after' endings from >Soundgarden, but I don't know, it's kind of interesting. Anyway, >whatever effect Chris was going for on that one, I think he got it. >Javdoctor I know what ya' mean!! I've got a love/hate thing going on with that song right now. I love it, lyrics and music. You are certainly right about the mood Chris sets for it. It's almost perfect, except for the end. I hate it. I feel almost sick when I know it's coming. I believe that last word to the song is, "ALONE". Yeh, so that's what I'm left with!!! Come on, Chris. The song needs to be at least another 2 minutes longer. I'm always tempted to stop the album after AN UNKIND, but I get sucked in by BC's intro and end up riding it out, until it dumps me off. Geee, Thanks, Chris! Gail ********************************************************************** "I love it! I love it! I love it! I love it!" Blueberry Johnson - The State ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: "Mercyhurst Prep Library" Subject: Inf. Soule news and DOTU Wow, hello fellow listers! I'm counting the days until I have to leave the list--June 7 is it, unfortunately. I've been listening to DOTU and reading everyone's comments, and also remembering some things that were said before the album came out. This is pure opinion,so comment if you want or ignore, no prob. Not os long ago there were those who were in a bunch thinking aobut new fans jumping on the Sg bandwagon. From my p.o.v. after lsitening to DOTU, we aren't going to have to worry about that. This is a pure Sg album. Pure Sg which may only appeal to those already into Sg. Does anyone else have any reactions to the album in THAT aspect? How do you think it's going to appeal to a non-Sg person? There's been a few listers talking about Inflatable Soule, that Seattle band w/ 3 Cornells in it. The new CD Golden Boy is out but the band is not going to sell thru the Blotch Music site anymore--Peter says it's just too expensive for them to do that. What he suggests is that you simply write to them--$10 will cover a CD and postage. The addie is: Inflatable Soule P. O. Box 61132 Seattle WA 98121 You can email them if you want at soulefc@aol.com, but if it's for a CD, just write! Also, they are sold out of the So Sad CD and do need to order more, but Peter had no date in mind for that to happen! Just wanted to keep people posted! happy dotu day! deb /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Mercyhurst Preparatory School Keeping you connected in 1995! /\/\/\/\/\(C)1995TMK/\/\/\/\/\/\ ------------------------------ From: Stella Rogers Subject: Re: Dusty >...remember a few days ago when I said something about some lyrics >being printed wrong on the record? Well, I was raeding the CD thingy >today, and I noticed what I thought was the same mistake. In Burden in >My Hand (I think) he says, "I have everything" but in the lyrics it >says "I have love and hate." > > Nothingman > > -Uh-oh. I musta turned gay...I'm getting anal. > > I don't think its burden, its on Ty Cobb. I noticed the same thing. It sounds like CC is singing I got everything on the part that goes "i got the glass/i got the steel/i got everything." but then the lyrics says "i got the love to hate" srogers ------------------------------ From: Stella Rogers Subject: Lyric typos and stuff At 11:06 AM 5/23/96 -0400, you wrote: >At 01:27 PM 5/23/96 +1000, Blind Dog wrote: >>> >> also, did anyone else note that they left out the third verse >>lyrics to burden on the liner notes to dotu? the ones that go 'the moon is >>glued to a picture of heaven and...' or something similar. a typo or on >>purpose? >Yeah,I noticed that, last night , while I was attempting to figure out the >guitar part to burden.what's up with that?Has anyone figured out what >Chris is singing on that third verse? > > I think he's said what blind dog wrote "the moon is glued.." but after that I can really decipher it. Sounds like "and all the little ______??" Anyways also has anyone noticed how on the vinly liner notes, the mistake on Pretty noose where it says "Eat the fruit/kiss the fruit/and kiss the snake goodnight". Oh wait, that wasn't the vinyl that was the cd single. Err.. Never mind. Oh well, for those of you people on AOL, my friend did a cool thing with his profile. Look up the profile of MachineDie. It is a fake acct so I'm not really sure of how long it will last there. BUt if its still there check it out anyways, its really cool. :) srogers ------------------------------ From: UnknMan@aol.com Subject: Ultramega demo boot Steve typed/wrote/said/whatever: >>1. He Didn't 7. All Your Lies >>2. Beyond The Wheel 8. Spare Yourself >>3. Uncovered 9. No Shame >>4. Summation 10. Heretic >>5. Power Trip 11. Nazi Driver >>6. 665>667 >> >>Notes: Believed to have been recorded during the time of Ultramega OK. All >>of the songs are demo versions. Notice the 3 unreleased tracks! I'd say more like 2 unreleased. I'd bet that 'Summation' is 'Nothing To Say' from the Seattle Scruffs & Supermainstream boots (listed as 'This Is My Summation') but this does sound like a *great* boot to have! Where did you find this info Steve? ray ------------------------------ Subject: My publishable review From: Ben Timberlake I know, I know. "Ben, you've already posted your DOTU review." Well, this is the final product of my review for the Daily Northwestern's Arts and Entertainment magazine. It won't be this long in the paper since I got about 4 column inches worth of space, so you're the only ones who get to see the long version. (ooh what an honor ;) Soundgarden's "Down On The Upside," released Tuesday, May 21, is a guaranteed classic. The 16-song, 66-minute album grabs you by the neck with "Pretty Noose" (already being overplayed on radio) and doesn't let go until it chops off with "Boot Camp." Soundgarden showcases its influences on "Upside," but takes them to a new level. It's hard to imagine a hard-rock album with echoes of the Beatles and Pink Floyd. But guess what? You don't have to imagine anymore. "Blow Up The Outside World"'s echoing lyrics "Someone tried to tell me something/ Don't let the world bring you down" hint at later Beatles in mood, sound and meaning. As on the Seattle band's four previous albums, singer Chris Cornell does the most music writing and virtually all lyric writing. But on this album, bassist Ben Shepherd has stepped forward to provide the music for some of the album's best tracks including "Zero Chance," "Dusty" and "Switch Opens." Drummer Matt Cameron and guitarist Kim Thayil also lend a writing hand with "Rhinosaur," for which Cameron wrote the music and "Never The Machine Forever," for which Thayil wrote both music and lyrics. The self-produced album, a first for Soundgarden, was rumored to be a dirtier, more noisy sound than the multi-platinum Superunknown. But apart from studio sound and less mixing, which give the album a more live sound, "Down On The Upside" is as smooth as butter. Cornell lays down more tracks than the Pennsylvania Railroad for his trademark silky vocal effect. "Zero Chance" captures the acoustic, ballad beauty of Led Zeppelin's "Over The Hills And Far Away" and fashions a song just as good, if not better. Somehow, the album still manages to hit hard on tunes like "Ty Cobb," "No Attention" and "An Unkind." The band has been pigeonholed as Heavy Metal, Butt Rock, a Led Zeppelin knock-off, and too mainstream. "Down On The Upside" kicks those labels off with a steel toe and proves Soundgarden has defined its own genre. -- Ben I hope none of this sounds plagiarized from stuff on the list. If it does, I sincerely apologize and may my soul burn in the mercurial mind fire. But, like a band, I've got influences, too. Ben Timberlake "The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est, Northwestern University Pro patria mori." Medill School of Journalism -- Wilfred Owen btimlake@nwu.edu -30- *Check out my dorm's web page!* http://www.stuaff.nwu.edu/crc/ "They say if you look hard / You'll find your way back home Born without a friend / And bound to die alone." -- Chris Cornell, "Zero Chance" ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: The real story behind Nadatosay-->Summation At 05:09 PM 05/23/96 -0400, you three wrote: >I'd say more like 2 unreleased. I'd bet that 'Summation' is 'Nothing To Say' >from the Seattle Scruffs & Supermainstream boots (listed as 'This Is My >Summation') but this does sound like a *great* boot to have! >I think I saw someplace that Nothing To Say used to be called This Is My >Summation, so that MIGHT be it. >... was it a working title for 'Nothing To Say'? You're all wrong. :-) I know all about the typo on the Seattle Scruffs boot. I'm the one that marked it up! The title, "This is my summation" is some fucking idiot bootlegger's idea of getting people to spend their money on his boot by tricking uninformed people into thinking it's a new song. As far as my information goes...it was NEVER a working title for the song. The version of "Nothing to Say" on Seattle Scruffs is a demo version though. This song is also on the _Supermainstream_ bootleg paired with "Beyond the Wheel" as Ultramega OK Demo's. Which may or maynot be the actual case. I'll find out. The 3 unreleased songs on the A&M Demo's are just that...unreleased. The song "Summation" is NOT "Nothing to Say".... Hmph :-) Steve - - srussell@epix.net - - http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~swr (now listed in Yahoo!) - - SG Web Alliance - - "I'm looking California...and feeling Chautauqua" ------------------------------ From: mansruin@sirius.com (Man's Ruin Inc.) Subject: Screaming Trees The Screaming Trees will be playing Lollapalooza.As an *extra bonus goody* legendary KYUSS guitar player Josh Homme will play rythm guitar with them.For any of you in the Greater Chicagoland area,they will play a non-lollapalooza show at The Metro sat June 22.The Metro is a great place to see shows,it holds about 800 people.It's address is 3730 North Clark Ave. Who knows-maybe the Trees and SG will buddy up and......... Frank Kozik ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: from today's atn i've been all over the LATImes website and cannot find this story! "raw power"... you would figure they were iggy fans i did have idle fantasies at the iggy show here that i'd run in to one of the guys... though how i would have crushed up against the barrier would have been an interesting concept... only saw mike mc cready, though... 'raw power will give me what i need' heh anyone interested in hearing that album, email me and i'll make ya a tape...:) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Soundgarden's Chris Cornell, 31, has no time for '60s rockers who complain about the cynicism and darkness of the "Seattle Sound." "That doesn't make sense to me, especially when it comes from older musicians that had success like in the '60s or something, who were very much anything goes--you know, 'Say what you're gonna say and feel what you're gonna feel,' " Cornell says in today's L. A. Times. "But now all of a sudden it's like, 'Wow, what you're saying and what you're feeling is kinda bumming me out, so why don't you cheer up?' I don't have any interest in being pessimistic and gloomy all the time just for the sake of it, and I always try to find things to celebrate or be happy about or to feel good about. But I'm not living in a cocoon and painting it with bright colors and putting up little fiesta bulbs. I am aware of what's going on around me enough to be disturbed by it at some point on a daily basis." Soundgarden's latest album, Down on the Upside, was released Tuesday. it's expect to debut in the Top 10 next week. Soundgarden, who delivered an awesome "Saturday Night Live" performance last weekend, are currently preparing to hit the road as part of Lollapalooza '96. Talking about an album that has made a deep impression on him, Cornell singled out the Stooges' classic Raw Power. "It doesn't really lag anywhere, there's nothing wrong with it. They didn't sacrifice anything to get that. The production is amazing, all the performances are fantastic. There's nothing you'd want to do to change it that would make it better." ------------------------------ From: "Greg Dunbar" Subject: Exchange Rates >From: ar303921@student.uq.edu.au (DEFsonic) >Subject: The lolla price thing >Hey ya >Just thought I would add my voice to this, even tho coming from >Australia it may differ. >Anyway the price for Lolla tickets $45 US does seem exisive, I mean >thats around $100 Australian. Festivals down here are usally about $50 >Australian, and while the price is still high, I think you need to >look at what you get, a large number and veriety of bands. Of course >if you just want to see SG, then it's a case of how much you are >willing to pay etc. I know it Aust. We don't get overseas bands that >offten so the only choice is festivals (have like 5 over summer) And >for me a festival is more then just the bands, it's a whole atmospher >thing. While the last year the ummm commercial (don't know what else >to call em) crowd started to jump in on festivals and it does create a >different atmospher and you get more dickheads etc But still for the >number of bands and seeing as it's the only chance we get down here >half the time, festivals are worth it. >Then again if a band is doing club gigs forget the festival (unless >you are going to see all the other bands) and see em do a full set in >a club. >umm I think that made some sense >Note for Brissy ppl: LIVID rumors: Garbage, Ministry headlining (one >can only hope!!!!) >seeya > Lee Hi Lee, Just thought that I'd point out the the current American exchange rate is a tad over 0.80c so that would make the price of a lollapollooza ticket $54 instead of $100 (I think). I'm doing economics, not very good at it but weve done exchange rates and shit and I think that's right. O.K then, just thought I'd point it out. Hows it going anyway, the DOTU release at Brisbane would have been good, we didn't get free posters or the choice of digipak here in sad old Ballarat. Anyway that's about it. BTW, do you live near Waterford West, I know someone who lives there. Adios!, Greg Dunbar - ------------------------------------------------------------- greg@lin.cbl.com.au ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: the skulls beneath my feet... On Thu, 23 May 1996, Robin Brookeneck wrote: > I didn't have DOTU yet, and there's a song which name I really love, this > message is to those who already listen to that song. I've been listen > commentaries about it, like "it is a good track",or people who said that is > the worst song of the record. I'd like to know the opinion of each one of you. looks like it's time to step up to the plate for ol' rhiny. quite a few people have dumped on it pretty heavily, and in some ways I have to agree, but it *is* a good song. you just have to listen to it a couple of times to fully appreciate it. I'm listening to it right now, and I still think it is cool (for the most part). I say the most part because the lead break is a little hammy. to me, it doesn't really sound like something kim would come up with, or even something he would play. maybe because it is too fast, and because the time change and break itself don't fit the song very well. it just sounds out of context to me. the best part of the solo (imho) is the end (not a joke, I just like the end squelch). the rest of the song, however, is good. matt has fashioned a great riff that slides around all over the place, and which makes me think of zeppelin. ben and kim do well with both the verse and chorus. their guitar tone is different to just about anything off superunk, which is cool. there actually is a solo I like on the song, the one kim plays as an outro. beats the hell out of the main one, at any rate. when I first heard the song, I thought 'my, matt hasn't gone to any trouble working out the drums for this song', but I realised just how wrong I was when I tried playing it :) his snare and high hat kill me. lastly, how can you not like chris' lyrics? overall, rhinosaur is not the best song on the record, but it is certainly not the worst. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Subject: Re: RHINOSAUR From: tonerkin@usa.pipeline.com (Tonerkin) On May 23, 1996 06:54:43, 'Robin Brookeneck ' wrote: >I've been listen >commentaries about it, like "it is a good track",or people who said that is >the worst song of the record. I'd like to know the opinion of each one of you. Rhinosaur was the one song that stuck in my head after hearing the CD at the listening party. Alot of people have said negative things about the guitar solo. But to me it seems like it is Kim just having a good time. I have visions of him as a weird little 11 year old with facial hair(remember a while ago we agreed that he was born with it!) Anyway, picture Kim in his bedroom, door locked with air guitar in hand just thrashing away with some early 70's guitar hero. Shall we allow Mr. Thayil a little indulgence!! I like the song!! Tonight on my way home from work I pried the DOTU tape from the cassette deck where it has resided for the past week. Time for something a little different! I listened to Louder than Love!! I'm hopelessly stuck in a Soundgarden Groove!! Toni ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: the skulls beneath my feet... Actually Rhinosaur heavily reminds me of a Black Sabbath riff. Something in Paranoid perhaps? I could be wrong about the song, but definitely Sabbath. And for all those hair-farmer guys that say the Kim can't play technical and fast, well here's your one solo. Serious wah-wah in that too! Geoff ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: with a swarm of motorflys... On Thu, 23 May 1996, Mercyhurst Prep Library wrote: > Not os long ago there were those who were in a bunch thinking aobut new > fans jumping on the Sg bandwagon. From my p.o.v. after lsitening to > DOTU, we aren't going to have to worry about that. This is a pure Sg > album. Pure Sg which may only appeal to those already into Sg. Does > anyone else have any reactions to the album in THAT aspect? How do you > think it's going to appeal to a non-Sg person? I hope that you are right deb, but I'm not as sure as you. to me, dotu has raised the melody and accessibility levels of their sound, and unfortunately that will probably usher in a whole new generation of black hole sun teenyboppers (this time humming along to burden and blow up the outside world). there isn't, as steve said, as much noise on this record (like jcp or mailman), so maybe the top 40 set will be clamoring for their copy of the 'new' soundgarden album once radio stations move from pn to burden. I would think that just about anyone could tap their toe to tracks like dusty. maybe if the album had more songs that were akin to never the machine, ty cobb and switch opens, then there wouldn't be a problem. btw, I hope that didn't sound like I was dropping shit on the record :) and for the 'noise' deprived, the ending of blow up the outside world has some cool, albeit small, feedback going on. also, if you are looking for good rock guitar, listen to the lead break of tighter and tighter, the end of both ty cobb and no attention, and the whole of overfloater (my favourite song for the day). ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: matt 'seaweed' cameron... I've been hearing good things about this quasi-seattle band called seaweed, so I listened to their newest record 'spanaway' this morning. I listened not only because they were supposed to be good, but because I read somewhere that both barett martin of the screaming trees and, importantly, matt play drums on a song each (have you got this on the discog, steve?) the song matt plays on is called magic mountainman, and he quickly outclasses seaweed's real drummer. the feel is kind of like soundgarden, which is weird because very few of the other songs could be mistaken for soundgarden. his drum tone is just *so* good. there are a couple of sharp matt rolls (heavy on the floor tom), but he mostly stays in the groove. the sound is a little (or a lot) like how john bonham sounds on 'when the levee breaks', that huge bass drum sound that kicks your ass every time he puts his right foot down :) if you are a fan of matt's drumming, then have a listen. interestingly, the producer is a guy by the name of adam kasper, and greg keplinger adds some extra percussion. unfortunately, the moog is not played by the moogman himself :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Aleko Subject: New album opinions HAve been listening to new album since Monday, I had to stop for food drink and sleep. Is it great? Do politicians lie? Blow up the Outside world, Dusty, Applebite, Never the machine forever, Boot Camp, Burden in my Hand, Overfloater are all great. Even at this early stage i think it's as good as Superunknown. Blow up the outside world has to be the next single. They better come to Australia as soon as possible (ie after Lolapalooza). Now all i have to wait for is Metallica's newy and Tool, oh and Naiad's CD If it ever comes out. I think in 20 years people will be talking about Soundgarden in the same breath as Led Zepellin and kids will be saying "I wish i was around in the 1990s so i could have seen Soundgarden in their prime". Hey maybe they will be still playing, along with Pink Floyd, Black Sabbath, and the Eagles and their Hell defrosts and freezes again tour :) PS Who is relaying stuff to Carolyn the mf Tell her Alex has finally started to like Violent Femmes. Especially the bass player he's great. "Happiness is not for us to find but for us to search for" ------------------------------ From: Aleko Subject: Photo, Kim's playing ANyone agree that the album cover looks a bit like the superunknown cover? Maybe its from the same photo shoot. I think this album has more solos then before, but that is great because Kim (i assume he plays most of the solos) is playing great, I'm suprised that Kim only contributed to one song, and Chris is still the main song writer. One more thing Blow up the Outside World is the best. What is the next single? Any B-sides that are not album songs. "Happiness is not for us to find but for us to search for" ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 134] ****************************************