From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 23 May 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 02:45:42 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Thursday, 23 May 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: listening to the new CD.... *Seize the Day* Re: NY TIMES REVIEW The lolla price thing Re: worse than the FCC... NY Times Re: New York Times weirdness Boot Camp Lolla was never alternative Re: Boot Camp Re: Follow me into the dessert Hiro vs Ben and new Lp lolla and mgmt... Burden in Shroom's hand. Re:on the subject of Lolla... Re: Led Zep Boot Camp Excuse Me? down on the upside shirts & shroom & stuff Re: ATTENTION Vinyl-Lovers!!! Re: on the subject of lolla... Yet another DoTu commentary... Excuse Me? superunknown vinyl Applebite?! Dusty dammit.. Re: shirts & shroom & stuff lolla and mngmt. Re: Excuse Me? Re: Excuse Me? Re: Excuse Me? Re: Excuse Me? happy homecoming... Re: Dusty The A&M Demo Sessions like babies on display... but in your heart I'd freeze... Mercurial Please oh please... a sucking holy wind... Re: a sucking holy wind... Sean's review of DOTU down on the upside Pretty Tunings... Dusty Excuse Me? Oh, so THAT'S where I put that thing.... The A&M Demo Sessions Mercurial 'get up, get off, get on with your life' ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Brian Clark Subject: listening to the new CD.... Hi list, been lurking here for a while, waiting for the new release. It is on right now. I'd have to agree with alot of the comments Iv'e seen here...less in your face more melodic -- yet eccellent. I think the band is progressing in a big way...so much talent. One disclaimer...guitar solo on Rhinosaur...un-fucking-bearable..where's my Slayer t-shirt...? Anyway, the Wolf boy and the gang did good...can't wait to see them at Lollapololooza....at that show in 1992, I high fived Chris when he dove into the crowd...ahhhh, memories.... later........Brian - ---- Nothing will (can) do me in before I do myself.... ------------------------------ From: David_H._Steinhage@nrunner.mil.wi.us Subject: *Seize the Day* This is probably the biggest day in SOMMS history! And for me! I have it!!!!!!! As soon as I got home I road my bike through 4 miles of cornfields, dodging cows just to get to the local Music Stop. I did a reverse wheely on my Trek 930, and flew off the front handlebars, but my toe straps kept me in, and I slammed the ground. Whoah, I'm still messed up, but I was all hyped, I don't care. It's completely unfu**ingably awesome! I hate it when good bands produce shitty new albums, but this truly rocks! I LOVE IT! The cover is fresh as hell, I love everything about it. (BTW-Seth, is there a scan of the DOTU cover up on the page?) AHHHH Yes..... ------------------------------ From: David_H._Steinhage@nrunner.mil.wi.us Subject: Re: NY TIMES REVIEW >There are some mice, a dog, an ant and one fictional rhinsaur. Generally, >IDENTIFYING WITH ANIMALS IN SONG LYRICS IS A SIGN OF LOW SELF- ESTEEM, and >SG >is no exception. Ive always noticed the snake in SG's music, but is ths guy off the wall or what? ------------------------------ From: ar303921@student.uq.edu.au (DEFsonic) Subject: The lolla price thing Hey ya Just thought I would add my voice to this, even tho coming from Australia it may differ. Anyway the price for Lolla tickets $45 US does seem exisive, I mean thats around $100 Australian. Festivals down here are usally about $50 Australian, and while the price is still high, I think you need to look at what you get, a large number and veriety of bands. Of course if you just want to see SG, then it's a case of how much you are willing to pay etc. I know it Aust. We don't get overseas bands that offten so the only choice is festivals (have like 5 over summer) And for me a festival is more then just the bands, it's a whole atmospher thing. While the last year the ummm commercial (don't know what else to call em) crowd started to jump in on festivals and it does create a different atmospher and you get more dickheads etc But still for the number of bands and seeing as it's the only chance we get down here half the time, festivals are worth it. Then again if a band is doing club gigs forget the festival (unless you are going to see all the other bands) and see em do a full set in a club. umm I think that made some sense Note for Brissy ppl: LIVID rumors: Garbage, Ministry headlining (one can only hope!!!!) seeya Lee _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ SONIC E-mail ar303921@student.uq.edu.au Turn it UP and Play it LOUD!! Let the blood rush to your head!! CD I'm listening to this week: "Down on the Upside" by Soundgarden ------------------------------ Subject: Re: worse than the FCC... From: Ben Timberlake >...a band with nothing better to do with their money than try to sue a >record store. if they were sooooooOOoooo worried about the net, why the >hell didn't they register the domain years ago? because they didn't even K >NOW what the net or Internic or a domain WAS.... >(yes, this is for real) >I'm disgusted. It's not like this record store registered their domain with >the Internic in order to defraud people -- it's the NAME of their fuckin' >STORE. >*grumble* > I think there's an amicable solution here. Yes, Soundgarden (the band) seems a bit petty in suing, but it's understandable that they would want so obvious a name for their own domain. The band should pay for the cost of Sound Garden to change its domain (perhaps to sound-garden, since there's a space in their name anyway), pay a certain amount to advertize the change and to pay for time spent notifying people on line, pay a certain aditional amount just for the trouble, and also allow The Sound Garden an amount of time for people to realize the domain change. I can't help but imagine The Sound Garden foresaw a confrontation like this and hoped to get a little $ and attention out of it. Otherwise, I think they would have included the - in the domain originally. -- Ben Ben Timberlake "The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est, Northwestern University Pro patria mori." Medill School of Journalism -- Wilfred Owen btimlake@nwu.edu -30- *Check out my dorm's web page!* http://www.stuaff.nwu.edu/crc/ "Put that bloody cigarette out!" --Saki's last words in the trenches of WWI ------------------------------ Subject: NY Times From: Ben Timberlake Was that thing supposed to be a review? It sounds like a paper the writer had due the next day on "Paradise Lost" and not having read the book, he fell back on Soundgarden. And he fell hard. Zeroing in on one topic like that is a great belittlement of the band. Man, as a journalist, that really takes the NYT down several notches in my esteem. That's it! Even if they offered to _pay_ me to intern I wouldn't. ok, I probably would, but I'd kick that guy's ass the first chance I had. ;) Bleh. -- Ben Ben Timberlake "The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est, Northwestern University Pro patria mori." Medill School of Journalism -- Wilfred Owen btimlake@nwu.edu -30- *Check out my dorm's web page!* http://www.stuaff.nwu.edu/crc/ "Put that bloody cigarette out!" --Saki's last words in the trenches of WWI ------------------------------ From: stellar Subject: Re: New York Times weirdness At 08:21 PM 5/21/96 -0700, you wrote: >Good Lord!Someone is very,very lonely....maybe a pet would help. > >Frank Kozik > > > > maybe he needs a snake. :) Stellar ------------------------------ From: mmholliday@attmail.com (Michael M Holliday) Subject: Boot Camp Hey everybody, Is it just me, or does anyone else get affected when they listen to Boot Camp? I don't know if it's the lyrics or the way the song ends kind of abruptly, but each time I listen to it, it really hits me. I kind of feel like Chris sets up a mood, but there's no resolution. Not that we'd expect any 'happily ever- after' endings from Soundgarden, but I don't know, it's kind of interesting. Anyway, whatever effect Chris was going for on that one, I think he got it. Javdoctor ------------------------------ From: arphaxad@ix.netcom.com (Kelly) Subject: Lolla was never alternative Some people have been saying that this year's Lolla goes against the original idea of the festival as an opportunity for alternative bands. I disagree because I don't think that it ever was an 'alternative showcase'. I went to the first Lollapalooza, and it was just like any other corporate-sponsored festival I've ever been to. Same Budweiser truck, same wristband line, same bathroom line, same row of sausage-sandwich vendors, same cops patrolling, same kids in Skinny Puppy tshirts (no goatees back then though ;) ), same bikers in stained tshirts. There were no unknown acts at this show. Perry Farrell pisses me off with his attitude about how the 'corporate rock monsters' ruined his alternative carnival. He's full of it. I'm sure that there's much more to it, that the actual truth is something closer to the fact that he was losing control of the event each year. I'd be pissed too. But he's taking the asshole road and actually blaming the bands that are on the bill. Who can believe that? If I was Perry I'd be a little more careful about pissing off Metallica ;) I don't personally have anything against the guy, I went to the first Lolla to see Jane's Addiction, although I was a little disappointed by their show, which was too Pink Floyd-lightshow-ish for me. Oh well. This is just my opinion. I heard that the Screaming Trees have been added to the roster, does anyone know if this is true? Now *that's* alternative! ;) ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Boot Camp From: "Matthew Lawrence" > > Hey everybody, > > Is it just me, or does anyone else get affected when they listen to Boot Camp? > I don't know if it's the lyrics or the way the song ends kind of abruptly, but > each time I listen to it, it really hits me. I kind of feel like Chris sets > up a mood, but there's no resolution. Not that we'd expect any 'happily ever- > after' endings from Soundgarden, but I don't know, it's kind of interesting. > Anyway, whatever effect Chris was going for on that one, I think he got it. > I totally agree.. This is such a cool song.. The lyrics are superb, the way he sings it is nothing short of gorgeous and the dynamics of the band complement the whole thing so well.. It feels like it should be longer, but I think that the abrupt ending works really well for that very reason... A completely GORGEOUS song if ever I've heard one... Matt ------------------------------ From: dao5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Re: Follow me into the dessert B, Thanks dude, imho anytime a band makes a new album that doesn't sound anything remeotely like any of there previous work. New ground is broken, the guy I work with has heard all there albums. When I played it at work he said, "WOW I love this band, the singer sounds like C. Cornell though, can you cover for me while I go get the new sg album" nuff said Clown >>That is some of the best commentary on SG I have ever heard. Good job. >>Thanks. >>B Rogers >>On >>Tue, 21 May 1996, ClownWithBazooka wrote: > Sommites, > I have a feeling that this could be the best sg album ever. Why you ask? > Because the first listen through I dodn't like it. The second one through > thought it was alright. Heard dusty for the 4th time and now I am like > superwhat? Anyway the sg songs I liked the most are the ones I was > initially ambivelent to. Limo Wreck, btw, Fresh Tendrills, 4th of july. > Anyway if anyone cares Entertainment Weekly gave the album a good review. > A B+ however the only problems they had with it was it was to long, and > none of the songs are easily accessible. I agree I really love dusty, > tighter and tighter, blow up the outside world, and track 3 can't remember > right now. I agree wholeheartedly that Ben really helped the band, w/o the > guy the just a really good band but not a incredible one. I have to > disagree with the comment that no new ground is broken on the album. You > don't hear it the first time but by the 4th time you realize who > unsymetrical the songs are. Dusty really has 2 distinct parts, that at > first listen shouldn't be together, but somehow they make it work. Dusty > what a beautiful song, doesn't really sound like them. Sounds like Chris > singing with a new hater influenced band. Thease guys are the only band I > know off that influences them selves. I think this album dispite having > led zep and beattles traces. Breaks new ground because you have to first > realize that sg, the beattles and led zep share alot of infleunces so > theres going to be some similarities. However they went farther then > either band imho went with those influences. I have been listning to alot > of howling wolf lately and I can hear it in Limo Wreck. It's there believe > me. Hmm... the band sounded bad on snl, when they played pretty noose. > However realize the peformance was late and ben said something to chris > afterwards. So there was obviously a problem. Burden in my hand sounded > good though, I like it better than the album one. Remember kids music > reviewers suck. I HATED supeunk the first time I heard it. 3 weeks later > it was permanantly in cd player. It took a good 4 months to digest that > album though. This one could take 6 months to a year. If thats not > breaking new ground I don't know what is. > Clown > > > ------------------------------ From: Clint Listing Subject: Hiro vs Ben and new Lp I think that ultramega ok was the best SG album ever made and now this = comes out and well Hiro would be proud cus Ben Plays just like him = now!!!!!! they've gotten the balls and fire back into the music. that = mtv took out of them!!!!! i love the way ben plays and this new lp makes = it better. Now all the need to do is remember that there metal roots is = what makes them good!!!!!!! by the way all Beyond the wheel is the = greatest soundgarden song ever!!! later ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: lolla and mgmt... CL>the band has spoken quite emphatically how they did not enjoy the gnr CL>experience for that reason. and yet, they choose yet again to wade into CL>the thick of that culture? They said the reason they decided to do Lolla is because they liked the other bands on the bill, and they wanted to see them, and tour with them, because they are friends as well as fans. It's not like they can go to concerts like we can to see their favorite bands. So instead of going to their concerts, they tour with them, which would be going to their concerts in a weird twisted everyday kinda thing. CL>2) management CL>every band is different... however, my point is that I sincerely doubt that CL>soundgarden are not involved in the day-to-day management of their CL>activities. Maybe A&M owns their name, due to some kinda contract or something. I dunno how those things work, but I've heard of things like that. I just don't see why Soundgarden would make that big of a deal out of something like that, but I can see a big business corporate kinda person doing it. MAybe Kim is really a big business corporate kinda person hiding under all that beard. ;) Nothingman -I'm getting all depressed. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Burden in Shroom's hand. JG>Chris play a resonator guitar tuned to CGCGCE,LOW TO HIGH,on Burden in JG>my hand. Has anyone figured out this song yet (I'm looking for tabs here :)? The internet has spoiled me. Nothingman -I got the DOTU postcard thingy that tells me it comes out yesterday. :) ------------------------------ From: Jentje Subject: Re:on the subject of Lolla... > After long and hard consideration I have opted not to go. . One is general admission. >This seems like a ridiculous way to do it. Sort of defeats the purpose of a >festival. How are you suppose to "enjoy" all the other stages and things >that are offered. Also the >general admission always sets up a dangerous situation when the gates are >open. By the looks of some of the fans I see walking around in Metallica >tees I fear they will run people over in a heartbeat to get up front. So I >will not pay big bucks to see SG for a shortened version of their set. I >will suffer through the summer hearing all of you gush about the show. And >than hopefully if and when Soundgarden comes to Chicago I will be there! >Toni I also won't be going for similar reasons, you never the type of people that would walk over you as if you're non-existant. That and I'm I the only who finds that Lolla can't get the Canadian dates or places straight yet? Toodles! JENN ------------------------------ From: Gonzo Subject: Re: Led Zep At 06:06 PM 5/21/96 -0400, you wrote: >At 09:14 PM 5/21/96 +0100, you wrote: >Chris play a resonator guitar tuned to CGCGCE,LOW TO HIGH,on Burden in my hand > Gonzo The correct tuning for Burden is C G C G G E.Low to high. My mistake,I hope you won't flame to much for this. Sleep deprived Gonzo. ------------------------------ From: "J.Molton" Subject: Boot Camp I know everyone out there thinks Boot Camp is far too short, but does anyone out there agree that Never Named is also cut short just as it's getting going??? Jon ------------------------------ Subject: Excuse Me? From: Brydon Cheyney CS95 NEVER THE MACHINE FOREVER - >Mercurial mind the fire >Ferrivorous direction and drive Yes, whatever you say Kim.... Has anybody got ANY idea what the FUCK the guy is on about? I mean, is he taking the piss? I have to admit it, 'Mercurial' and 'Ferriverous' aren't in my regular vocabulary... Cheers, BC - Kim is just to damn intelligent. ------------------------------ From: George Bangs <70214.1077@CompuServe.COM> Subject: down on the upside Just writing to say that i was very excited to get the new record. I have the actual vynil LP and the CD. I must say, the boys have done a fine job. Chris's vocals are as good as ever, i enjoy, Zero Chance, Blow UpThe Outside World, Tighter and Tighter, and Overfloater. I couldnt wait for the new record and i must say my months of torture and waiting was worth it. This band rules and this albom takes them in new directions which further fortify them as a truly great rock band. I cant wait for the tour!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: shirts & shroom & stuff shirts: i think we should definitely mail a package with 5+ shirts to silver management. when i did shirts for the now-dead pearl jam list, garden of stone, we had planned on sending shirts to the band... and then it didn't happen... instead, someone gave a shirt to their road manager at milwaukee last year, so we know they got it... we of course were praying that someone'd walk out the next night wearing it... who knows who really got it, but all i remember is when we handed it to them, the guy said, 'yeah, we know who you guys are' which made us all feel *really* good. while i'm on the subject... a really cool thing all of us from the pj list did at shows was get a journal or some other book and write down messages to the band in it... then we found a pj crew person to give it to. at milwaukee, the first night, we're almost positive eddie walked onstage carrying it... it was *majorly* cool. (for a really neat sotry about it, go to my home page [www.nwlink.com/~clr] and go to the 'random thoughts on music' section). anyway. it could be a cool thing for somms people to do at each show.... notice how i'm still talking about hte shows, and going to the shows. and i think some of you misunderstand my point. i'm going, and it's worth it to me to see them, but i'm still angry that they didn't do a real tour. that's all. and i think we're allowed to be angry and we're allowed to talk about it...and what better place to talk about it than here? (especially for the various lurkers to hear!) re: shroom i dunno seth... maybe you should put in the official confirmation email a note saying, 'all those who worship chris and wish to discuss it, email ShroomGirl@aol.com and do it there'. that way she won't have to troll! ;-> (i'm kidding, i'mkidding...) i really have to work now... - --caryn ------------------------------ From: melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net Subject: Re: ATTENTION Vinyl-Lovers!!! At 09:09 PM 5/21/96 +0100, Brydon Cheyney CS95 wrote: >1 Limited Edition Coloured Vinyl Superunknown - has anyone got any idea about >this one? HOW limited exactly is it? And what colour is it? It is a European >release - it has 'She Likes Surprises' on it. It's a clear bluish color. You're welcome. Gregg ____________________________________ | | HEAVY ROTATION-- | http://www.cybercomm.net/~melusk2 | "Screaming Life/Fopp" Soundgarden | melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net | "Tiny Music. . ." STP |____________________________________| "Blow up the outside WOOOORRLLD!" --Ben Shepherd (If you missed Soundgarden's interview w/Matt Pinifield, forget about it.) ------------------------------ From: ThNrthFace@aol.com Subject: Re: on the subject of lolla... Don't worry about driving through the dessert to see lolla this year. I have heard that it's not going to be in Spokane as scheduled, as the town dosen't want it there because of the moshing. The label reps I've talked too said that a WA show is doubtfull. Kind of ironic isn't it? Two WA bands on the bill, and no WA show. I think you need to re-examine your definiton of "butt-rock." For one, Metallica is not butt-rock. And there are no BR bands playing at lolla. If there were, we would be seeing the Scorpions, Judas Priest, Def Leppard, Warrant, Motley Crue, Candlebox, and Bush, etc. (Candlebox and Bush being the new breed of BR.) I personally will be going to see lolla in Vancouver as Canadians are usually better behaved than the pre-teens and overgrown drunken frat-boys who go to U.S. festivals. A case in point, did you happen to go to Live at the the Gorge last year? If you did, you would know what I'm talking about. In between PJ Harvey and Live, the crowd was trying to force it's way forward, causing the barrier to begin to break, and smashing those in front (myself included). People were also trying to mosh, when there wasn't even enough room to move one step in any direction. Mind you, there was no one on stage at the time. I would rather be harassed by Customs than deal with the fuckers around here anymore. And Rancid, all they are is a group of shitty Clash ripp-off's. Face it, things aren't like they used to be. I think there's something you're forgetting,the Screaming Trees are going to be there!!! And the new CD is INCREDIBLE!!! But I agree, we are being screwed right up the ass on ticket prices. If SG and the Trees weren't going to be there, I wouldn't go. There's no way in hell I would go. I haven't been to lolla since '93, since then, it hasn't been worth going. Well, it looks like I've put in my $.02 worth. Aaron ThNrthFace@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Gail From: Gonzo Subject: Re: ...give the wolfboy a glass of water >And Chris singing that little bit of Working Man, well, >Rush will never be the same.:) Hey, there's a duet >possibility....Chris and Geddy Lee! > *Now,that is duet I'd like to see,both can reach the upper registers. *Except,Geddy is unable to sing in the low register.How about soundgarden *covering one of the Rush tunes.I like to hear Chris do The Trees,solo *on acoustic 12 string. *gonzo YES! YES! YES! A Duet, SG doing a Rush tune, or Rush doing a SG tune!!! Any kind of crossing between these two band would be amazing, phenomenal. The TREES!!! Yes, Yes, Yes. What about Geddy screaming, "RITUAAAALLLLLL", from SG's Birth Ritual? Oh boy, I would pay good money for that!! I would settle for Sg covering Tom Sawyer. The possibilities are mind blowing. Damn you people!! Now I have to go home and listen to my 10+ Rush and 6+ SG cds and work out the arrangements for this blessed event. If only it could happen beyond my dreams. Gail ********************************************************************** "I love it! I love it! I love it! I love it!" Blueberry Johnson - The State ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net Subject: Yet another DoTu commentary... Okay, I finally got my paws on a copy of the Down on the Upside CD last night (5/21) around 9:30 pm. I got me a digipack (!), that's all they had at the Nobody beats the Wiz near me. All digipacks!! Hehehe. Anyway, I'm gonna keep it short. It is not as good as Superunkown (which I consider the best rock album of the past five years, AT LEAST), but it sure does kick ass all over the place. So far my favorites have to be (in no order): 1. Dusty 2. Ty Cobb 3. Applebite 4. Never the Machine Forever 5. No Attention 6. Burden in my Hand Thats all. Gregg ____________________________________ | | HEAVY ROTATION-- | http://www.cybercomm.net/~melusk2 | "Down on the Upside" | melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net | --Soundgarden |____________________________________| "Another motherfucker down the drain" --C. Cornell ------------------------------ From: champagne.supernova@thenexus.com Subject: Excuse Me? BC>NEVER THE MACHINE FOREVER - BC>>Mercurial mind the fire BC>>Ferrivorous direction and drive BC>Yes, whatever you say Kim.... BC>Has anybody got ANY idea what the FUCK the guy is on about? BC>I mean, is he taking the piss? BC>I have to admit it, 'Mercurial' and 'Ferriverous' aren't in my regular BC>vocabulary... I asked around about this. Mercurial and ferrivorous are words that have to do with mercury and iron, respectively.. although I'm not clear on what.. I'll get back to you.. Champagne. ------------------------------ Subject: superunknown vinyl From: nephend@usa.pipeline.com (nancy e phend) Someone on the listed asked what color the Superunknown vinyl was and someone answered a "bluish" color. The vinyl Superunknown that I have is a neon orange color. Just thought you might want to know. I wonder why the didn't put DOTU out on colored vinyl?? nephend ------------------------------ From: David_H._Steinhage@nrunner.mil.wi.us Subject: Applebite?! What's all the hype with Applebite? It sounds like something Nine Inch Nails would produce. Not that I don't like it, but I don't think its the best song on the album... ------------------------------ From: Nate Crosswhite Subject: Dusty Here's a random trivia topic for everyone: There was a movie that came out in 1982 (I haven't seen it, it was listed in TV Guide) called 'Dusty'. It's about a SHEPHERD that has to kill his dog after he learns it comes from a breed of sheep-killers. Kinda weird, huh? Nate ------------------------------ From: champagne.supernova@thenexus.com Subject: dammit.. I erased the message about the colors of the Superunknown vinyl before I could reply to it.. silly me.. Anyway, the Superunknown vinyl came in three colors - orange, clear and blue "for the serious Soundgarden collector," as MTV put it in 94.. I have it on tape =) I have the clear vinyl myself. And I'm assuming that any copy of DOTU vinyl that doesn't come in black is an import vinyl, unless the fan club lied to me =)_ - -Champagne. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: shirts & shroom & stuff From: seth > i think we should definitely mail a package with 5+ shirts to silver > management. that's been my plan since day 1. for those of you who looked at nothingman's shirt order list and wondered why i was ordering 5 shirts, you have your answer. seth ------------------------------ From: Brian Clark Subject: lolla and mngmt. Caryn---I won't doubt your credentials in the music business if you don't doubt mine as an attorney.. your comments on Soundgarden's ability to prohibit Seth or any of us from using the word "Soundgarden" here or anywhere else is just plain wrong. As far as I know, no one here is trying to make money off the web page or mailing list...hence, no trademeark violation... just setting the record semi-straight without out charging by the hour... Later......Brian ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Excuse Me? From: "Matthew Lawrence" > > BC>NEVER THE MACHINE FOREVER - > > BC>>Mercurial mind the fire > BC>>Ferrivorous direction and drive > > BC>Yes, whatever you say Kim.... > > BC>Has anybody got ANY idea what the FUCK the guy is on about? > > BC>I mean, is he taking the piss? > > BC>I have to admit it, 'Mercurial' and 'Ferriverous' aren't in my regular > BC>vocabulary... > > > I asked around about this. Mercurial and ferrivorous are words that > have to do with mercury and iron, respectively.. although I'm not clear > on what.. I'll get back to you.. > Ferrivorous sounds like it means 'eats metal' like herbivorous or carnivorous. As for Mercurial... ??? Matt ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: Excuse Me? Mercurial would mean "of mercury", or "like mercury". Mercurial is an adjective modifying mind. Ferrivorous means, as the band put it "Iron Eater". "Ferr" comes from the word ferrous, or iron, and "ivorous" means eater, like carnivorous (meat-eater) or omnivorous (everything-eater). Geoff On Wed, 22 May 1996, Brydon Cheyney CS95 wrote: > > NEVER THE MACHINE FOREVER - > > >Mercurial mind the fire > >Ferrivorous direction and drive > > Yes, whatever you say Kim.... > > Has anybody got ANY idea what the FUCK the guy is on about? > > I mean, is he taking the piss? > > I have to admit it, 'Mercurial' and 'Ferriverous' aren't in my regular > vocabulary... > > > Cheers, > BC > > - Kim is just to damn intelligent. > ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: Excuse Me? Oh yeah, didn't Shakespeare use the word Mercurial in one of his plays? I think it meant hot-tempered. I'm sure it was referring to a persons personality in some respect. Geoff ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Excuse Me? From: seth > Ferrivorous sounds like it means 'eats metal' like herbivorous or > carnivorous. There is no such word as 'ferrivorous' as is printed in the lyric sheet for NTMF. The closest you can get is 'ferriferous,' which Webster defines as 'containing or yielding iron.' The following is an excerpt from the Canadian radio premiere that Chris Mackenzie posted a few days ago, which actually supports the 'iron eater' theory and also alludes to the fact that maybe it was just spelled wrong when Chris wrote it down: Steve Warden: Hi welcome back, the next track we're going to play is a song called 'Never The Machine Forever,' notable for a few reasons, not the least of which is its use of a very unusual word: "ferrivorous." I asked Chris Cornell and Matt Cameron to shed some light. Matt Cameron: Uh let's see, iron eater? Is that right? Chris Cornell: I guess so. MC: And there's no known synonym for the word ferrivorous, that's Kim's whole point for using it - no (laughs). It's just a very interesting combination of words that he used on that one and Chris actually pulled it off (laughs). SW: Ferrivorous (laughs). CC: (sings annoyingly) Ferrivorous! (laughter) SW: I've never heard that one before, is Kim a real wordsmith, is he a pretty heavy reader? MC: Uh let's see, yeah I suppose, I think he used to read more than he does now. CC: Yeah, let's just put it this way: he can talk better than I can spell. > As for Mercurial... ??? I would go with Geoff's explanation of this word having to do with personality rather than mercury content. Webster says: mer.cu.ri.al \(.)m*r-'kyu.r-e--*l\ \-e--*-le-\ aj [mercury + -al] 1: of, relating to, or born under the planet Mercury 2: having qualities of eloquence, ingenuity, or thievishness attributed to the god Mercury or to the influence of the planet Mercury 3: characterized by rapid and unpredictable changeableness of mood 4: of, relating to, containing, or caused by mercury - mer.cu.ri.al.ly av - mer.cu.ri.al.ness n I would choose definitions 2 and 3 as being appropriate... seth ------------------------------ From: jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu (grote) Subject: happy homecoming... hey all... i just returned to the jolly u.s. tuesday night after a fantastic 2-week study abroad trip to france. (a good time, let me tell you that, but the food is unbelievably expensive...i've eaten more bread and water in the past two weeks than the entire east-wing cell block at the state penetentiary... :) ) 2 things: 1) for those of you who have never been to paris, subway station advertising is big business over there. they have huge 12-foot lighted posters for everything from underwear to camera film. during one of my numerous excursions on the subway, i began looking around for music advertisements. (i had been checking around for european musical faves during my entire trip...it seems that the french love the chili peppers more than life itself) anyway, during my entire stay in paris i only found two music ads...the cranberries (blech) and --you guessed it-- soundgarden. actually, i saw several of these ads...apparently sg was on the cover of a french music magazine a couple of weeks ago (yes, i scoured various shops for a copy of it and only found one...they charge 60 francs---about 12 dollars---for most of their standard newsrack magazines in france and i didn't have enough...shit is expensive over there) and that advertisement was simply the cover shot from that magazine. pretty cool. my french lingustic abilities are average at best, so i couldn't read much of the article. (certain key phrases like "rock and roll," "motherfucker," and "seattle" were relatively easy for me to recognize, though... :) the article had some cool close-up black and white photos of the band lounging around...if pierre the magazine stand boy (probably not his real name, but i'll call him that until i'm proven wrong) hadn't been peering over my shoulder to make sure that i wasn't putting my old-fashioned american criminal tactics to work, i would have ripped out the whole fucking article and made a break for it. i hear the prisons in europe aren't too bad if you don't mind cohabitating with fuzzy rodents... :) 2) upon my return to the u.s. last night, (which just happened to be the 21st of may...hint hint, nudge nudge, wink wink :) ) my girlfriend picked me up and helped me haul off all my luggage. when we hopped in the car i turned to her, smiled like the devil i am, and said "can we stop somewhere on the way home?" she got a big grin on her face and said "oh, you mean like...oh, i don't know...homers, for example???" (homers just happens to be the biggest record store in town) a slightly surprised look came across my face, and she continued... "i heard the soundgarden show on the radio last night and they said the new album was coming out today. i tried to stop at the store this afternoon but i didn't have time. don't worry, we're on the way." WHADDA WOMAN!!! :) anyway, i picked up the beloved album in question (what a nifty way to be welcomed back to the states) and, after the third spin, have decided that i kind of like soundgarden and think that they are a pretty good band. does anybody else like them??? :) seriously, i would have to agree with some of the posts that i've seen saying that they're expecting this album to be one of their favorites because they didn't really like it at first. on the first listen, i singled out blow up the outside world, rhinosaur, burden in my hand, overfloater and tighter and tighter as songs that were pretty good but nothing spectacular. (the rest just didn't grab me at first...perhaps the reason that butow had the impact that it did was that while it was cranking on my cd player, my girlfriend and i were...well...ahem...saying "hello" to each other after our two weeks apart. sorry, that's probably more information than you all needed. :) ) now, however, i'm realizing just how solid this record is. every song is uniquely different from every other one, and the instrumentation is fantastic as always. the "ben factor" seems to be very prevalent on this album, which is undoubtedly a good thing. overall, the album has more lighter, spacier tunes on it than sg offerings of the past, but tunes like never the machine forever and never named reassured me that sg rock is far from dead. burden in my hand is still my fave on the album, though. i don't know what the hell it is about that chorus but i just can't get it out of my head. i'll have to pick up the geetars when i get home and figure that one out...it doesn't sound too difficult. anywayz, i've rambled on for far too long... later... ######################################################################## # GROTE!!!!! "I don't remember half the time # # If I'm hiding or I'm lost # # jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu But I'm on my way....." -Chris Cornell # ######################################################################## ------------------------------ From: Gonzo Subject: Re: Dusty At 05:19 PM 5/22/96 -0400, you wrote: >Here's a random trivia topic for everyone: > >There was a movie that came out in 1982 (I haven't seen it, it was >listed in TV Guide) called 'Dusty'. It's about a SHEPHERD that has >to kill his dog after he learns it comes from a breed of sheep-killers. >Kinda weird, huh? > >Nate > Yeah,it is getting weird.I just came in with my portable cd player.Took it out of my book bag and it was on and playing Dusty when i plugged the cd player into the boom box.At the same time I clicked on check mail and this was the first post on the in box. Gonzo ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: The A&M Demo Sessions Hey list! uncovered a major find this morning. The A&M demo sessions. Below is the information included in the newest update to the bootleg discography. I'm beyond confused that some of you actually emailed me saying that you were bidding on that bootleg radio thingy. Barnum was correct: now i know I'm in the wrong line of work. Here's something of *major* value: - ------------------------------------------ The A&M Demo Sessions Label: N/A Venue: Studio Time: N/A Sound: N/A 1. He Didn't 7. All Your Lies 2. Beyond The Wheel 8. Spare Yourself 3. Uncovered 9. No Shame 4. Summation 10. Heretic 5. Power Trip 11. Nazi Driver 6. 665>667 Notes: Believed to have been recorded during the time of Ultramega OK. All of the songs are demo versions. Notice the 3 unreleased tracks! - ------------------------------------------- "This one's for Jesus", Steve - - srussell@epix.net - - http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~swr (now listed in Yahoo!) - - SG Web Alliance - - "I'm looking California...and feeling Chautauqua" ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: like babies on display... On Wed, 22 May 1996, Michael M Holliday wrote: > Is it just me, or does anyone else get affected when they listen to Boot Camp? > I don't know if it's the lyrics or the way the song ends kind of abruptly, but > each time I listen to it, it really hits me. I kind of feel like Chris sets > up a mood, but there's no resolution. Not that we'd expect any 'happily ever- good point michael. boot camp certainly is a cool song. and it does leave you without resolution, like how mailman can trap you. also, on most of the albums I've heard (not just soundgarden's) it seems like they all end with a big epic sort of song with big guitars and plenty of atmosphere (ie like suicide or new damage). when I first heard bootcamp (which is in my mind no longer a buttrock title) I thought 'oh cool, all this talking in the background and whispery guitars, this is going to be a *huge* song'. and the vocals were getting more insistent, and the drums were growing larger by the second, increasing my anxiousness. and then suddenly, it ends. all that for nothing :) I wonder if that was chris' intention, to throw us a curveball just as we started going 'yeah, yeah, how cool!'? all we can hope for is a bside by the name of 'bootcamp (reprise)', where they add some more lyrics and a goodly ten minutes of guitar wails, cymbal crashes and haunting/screaming vocals (get on it perlman, you're on holidays after all). ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: but in your heart I'd freeze... On Tue, 21 May 1996, caryn rose wrote: > different kinds of music and people. right now, it's gonna be buttrock > central. > the band has spoken quite emphatically how they did not enjoy the gnr > experience for that reason. and yet, they choose yet again to wade into > the thick of that culture? don't get me wrong, i love metallica, i know I think their major reason for not liking that tour was that they didn't like the arena situation. I know that is probably mostly a by-product of the whole buttrock system, but at that point (and probably still the case) they much preferred playing smaller venues, and they didn't feel that their music translated well in soccer fields where 60000 people were standing chanting 'guns n roses'. as for lolla being too buttrock, as some other listers have pointed out, most of the acts aren't buttrock, they are just less alternative than they used to be. also the band gets to help choose exactly who is going to perform, which you have to admit is a situation far removed from the gnr experience. > you feel when seth is forced to take his web site down... when we're all > forced to remove all mention of the word 'soundgarden' from our web pages > because it's become a registered trademark. (don't laugh, they could do I don't want to get into a big argument caryn, but I don't think that would ever happen. I'm not sure whether the band would have had much say in the actual filing of the law suit (it would kill me to think that they pulled the trigger on that one), but you must be exaggerating to make your point. until seth starts getting profits from his page, and I can't imagine that happening btw, then I'm sure no-one can order him to take the page down (not that they would). and unless the word 'soundgarden' somehow is slipped into the communications deceny act, then we can all trumpet soundgarden to our heart's content :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Subject: Mercurial From: Ben Timberlake I've come up with a few reasons Kim may have used the word "Mercurial." I'm going to assume that verses 1 and 3 are from Kim (the narrator's) point of view, and that the middle one is from the machine's. For some reason, the machine I envision in here is the mechanical "dog" from 'Farenheit 451.' The action described in the song seems to match up with the plot of a certain part of that book. (Great book, btw) One of my ideas relates to the dictionary definition that seth posted. The machine has a tricky mind, like Mercury: theiving, cunning, clever, etc. But the narrator beats it in the end. Or, 'Mercural mind' could refer to the fact that gold miners, who often came into contact with large amounts of mercury, would go insane because the mercury got into their blood. In this respect, the machine is insane; which seems evident anyway. Fitting in with that, or as an idea on its own could be the dualistic nature of Mercury. Is it a solid or is it a liquid (at room temp.)? It has properties of both, though it's most often classified as a liquid. The mercury we're familiar with connotes slipperiness and the ability to break apart and come back together seamlessly. On a final note involving temperature (relevant because the whole line is 'Mercurial mind the _fire_) is that mercury is commonly used in thermometers. Rising mercury is often associated with rising temperatures. "Ferrivorous" makes sense in that the machine probably consumes metal. I know that I'm dangerously close to overanalyzing, but I find those two words the most lyrically intriguing points of the album. So, I'm tossing these ideas out, make your own conclusions. -- Ben Ben Timberlake "The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est, Northwestern University Pro patria mori." Medill School of Journalism -- Wilfred Owen btimlake@nwu.edu -30- *Check out my dorm's web page!* http://www.stuaff.nwu.edu/crc/ "They say if you look hard / You'll find your way back home Born without a friend / And bound to die alone." -- Chris Cornell, "Zero Chance" ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Please oh please... Well children... I've spent the last day or so in contemplation of DOTU (except for a few hours at the Howling Maggie/Afghan Whigs show last night). I've gotta say... SG had better do a tour following Lolla. I really don't care for those huge, all-day, outdoor shows, either. And I am NOT a Metallica fan, so the whole Lolla thing is starting to become a big pain in the ass for me, too. It will be nice to see the Ramones again, though. I was just thinking... wouldn't it be *rad* if SG did a club tour in support of DOTU, instead of one of those big, over-blown arena jobbies? I hate big shows. Late last year, NIN did a club tour, and it was great! They didn't hit every major city, but they did play a cool club in Houston, called Numbers. (I know... you people don't care, but I'm telling it to you anyway). Anyway... yah, not every person would be able to get in to see SG, but I think it would be worth the risk. I'd do almost anything to see SG in a club. Trees... now THAT would be the perfect club to see them in. Heheheh... and I wouldn't even have to pay to get in. I'm on the permanent guest list there. Oh please God... if you can get SG to play Trees, I swear I'll never run over another slow elderly person in my life!! And I'll even stop stealing candy from babies. I may even consider giving up my hydroponic garden (but I don't think it'll come to that). The things I would sacrifice for my favorite band. They're so groovy. And have I mentioned yet today that the singer is a majorly fine babe? Yep... that Chris Cornell... he's got one sexy body!! Heheheh... Shroom "Hardheaded, fuck you all!!" ~ That gorgeous guy that always gets me in trouble on the list. "I'm no different than you... it's just that I do whatever I want to..." ~ Corrosion of Conformity ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: a sucking holy wind... just a quick (but important) note to all the brisbane listers concerning our favourite music chain brashs. in their infinite wisdom they put up huge soundgarden dotu posters in their window (I'm talking the one in the myer centre) on sunday night, only to take them down three days after the album's launch in order to put up something stinky like mariah carey or celine dion posters. anyway, the posters (soundgarden, not mariah) are now available to buy, for the kingly sum of $5. its well worth picking one up, as I, the bald dog himself, did. now I just have to find a wall big enough to hang it on :) also, did anyone else note that they left out the third verse lyrics to burden on the liner notes to dotu? the ones that go 'the moon is glued to a picture of heaven and...' or something similar. a typo or on purpose? while I'm on dotu, has anyone noticed that chris used the leslie (or something like that) for his vocals quite a bit? sometimes it just pops out of nowhere, like on tighter and tighter in the second verse. I'm all for chris singing without filters, but it sounds damn good :) btw seth, have you made any changes to the miscellany page? it looks different for some reason. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Subject: Re: a sucking holy wind... From: seth > btw seth, have you made any changes to the miscellany page? it > looks different for some reason. what bland dog is talking about is that in my infinite wisdom i accidentally overwrote the miscellany page a few days ago with another file. my mind wasn't on my work because i was thinking about what to buy with my weekly unofficial soundgarden homepage paycheck. i retyped it from scratch, minus the trivia part, which i will be putting on its own page. seth p.s. - the paycheck stuff was a JOKE. i actually have my money deposited directly into one of my off-shore accounts. ------------------------------ From: sean@ramoth.unl.edu (Sean McCarthy) Subject: Sean's review of DOTU Hey All- Ahhh...think I found my official soundtrack of this summer. Expectations were all time high and low for this one.. The reviews haven't been favorable...my response for this after listening to the entire album.....fuck you alll!!!!(to the critics) RS said that SG sacrificed art for the sake of 'rocking out'- what about the first side of the album??? I haven't bothered to look at the titles(a third listen and I will do this) but it fucking rocks!! This may be like 'In through the out door' or 'Presence' from Led Zep. Both wern't really recognized as much as the other classic albums..but still they contributed a great deal to the entire package of the band. The second side will take more listens to really let it sink in.. Some of the songs seem like straight foreward rockers. And the last song doesn't have near the resonance of 'Like Suicide'-but on the other hand.. what song really does?? The second side, like BMF and especially Louder Than Love appeals to the pissed off and want something to generally rock to...the first side appeals to my more mellow, somewhat moodier days. Most importantly though...the album proves that SG will always be more than a general 'grunge/heavy metal band'. Unlike 'Alice in Chains' and 'Tiny Music..Songs for whatever the hell that is...', SG shows that they're still exploring. The latest albums by AIC and STP have shown that their ideas have exhausted, after such great albums like 'Dirt' or 'Core'. DOTU will be a big part of this summer. I'm living with my mom for a couple of weeks, until a efficiency opens up, and its total hell right now. This album, with biking and brew will make this summer habitable. I'm sure I'll post more stuff about the album as listens continue. Hell...it took me a year to finally like 'Superunknown'-and so far..this is off to a great start. My review, my submissions Peace Sean 'Bockman' ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: down on the upside Everytime I think of Down on the Upside, I think of being on a boat, except the boat flipped over, and I'm still on the upside of the boat, I'm just underwater. It could be the crack, though. 70>Just writing to say that i was very excited to get the new record. I have t 70>actual vynil LP and the CD. I got the vinyl the day it came out so I wouldn't have to buy the CD right when it comes out, because I'm broke, but I couldn't resist. So I bought the CD with blood money. Ok, so it wasn't bloody, but it could've been. 70>Tighter and Tighter Today, I put the CD on random (I know, people hate that, but I don't always), and Tighter and Tighter came on, and it gave me the chills. Goosebumps and all. And it was 80 degrees then. I couldn't believe it. What a great song. Nothingman -Burden in My Hand is still my favorite, though. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Pretty Tunings... JG>At 06:06 PM 5/21/96 -0400, you wrote: JG>>At 09:14 PM 5/21/96 +0100, you wrote: JG>>Chris play a resonator guitar tuned to CGCGCE,LOW TO HIGH,on Burden in my h JG>> Gonzo JG>The correct tuning for Burden is C G C G G E.Low to high. JG>My mistake,I hope you won't flame to much for this. JG>Sleep deprived Gonzo. I noticed that the low C and low G strings are the same as Pretty Noose. Maybe that's the tuning they used for Pretty Noose. I played it with that tuning, and it works. I also noticed that the tuning for Rhinosaur is about the same. With the low C and low G, like Pretty Noose. At least it seemed that way in some parts. Maybe Matt borrowed Chris' guitar and forgot to retune it. Nothingman -Oh. So I'm suppose to SMOKE that little white rock... ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Dusty NA>Here's a random trivia topic for everyone: NA>There was a movie that came out in 1982 (I haven't seen it, it was NA>listed in TV Guide) called 'Dusty'. It's about a SHEPHERD that has NA>to kill his dog after he learns it comes from a breed of sheep-killers. NA>Kinda weird, huh? And I was just gonna ask where that name came from. Gee. And to add some more content... ...remember a few days ago when I said something about some lyrics being printed wrong on the record? Well, I was raeding the CD thingy today, and I noticed what I thought was the same mistake. In Burden in My Hand (I think) he says, "I have everything" but in the lyrics it says "I have love and hate." Nothingman -Uh-oh. I musta turned gay...I'm getting anal. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Excuse Me? CH>I asked around about this. Mercurial and ferrivorous are words that CH>have to do with mercury and iron, respectively.. although I'm not clear CH>on what.. I'll get back to you.. Chris said that ferrivorous is an "iron eater," but it's suppose to be just pertaining to iron, so I'm assuning that he means the "machine" knows exactly what it's going to do, and is fired up to do it when he says, "Ferrivorous direction and drive." The "Mercurial mind the fire".....hmmm....I guess it would have something to do with mercury, since that's what Miss Champagne ;) just said. Maybe it's the god of Mercury, or something. Nothingman -Oh, wait...since it's a machine, it is powered by something, kinda like coal burning in a train, so the mackine is powered by the fire that Mr. Something To Do With Mercury is suppose to keep going, so the machine can carry out whatever it's gonna do, and that's why it has the drive...yeah, that's it. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Oh, so THAT'S where I put that thing.... SA>> i think we should definitely mail a package with 5+ shirts to silver SA>> management. SA>that's been my plan since day 1. for those of you who looked at SA>nothingman's shirt order list and wondered why i was ordering 5 SA>shirts, you have your answer. I know I was wondering. Maybe you shouldn't though...they might sue us for using SOMMS. :) Nothingman -Love's for everyone who isn't me. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: The A&M Demo Sessions SR>------------------------------------------ SR>The A&M Demo Sessions SR>4. Summation I saw this song on some Seattle demo CD thingy. Someone told me it's just some other song that we all know that I can't remember right now, with a different title. Nothingman -The heart of the home is sex. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Mercurial BT>I've come up with a few reasons Kim may have used the word "Mercurial." BT>I know that I'm dangerously close to overanalyzing, but I find those two BT>words the most lyrically intriguing points of the album. Damn. I'm gonna have to start reading all my mail before I send my interpretations. This one kicks the hell outta the one I sent. Nothingman -But dammit, I said it, so there! ------------------------------ From: UnknMan@aol.com Subject: 'get up, get off, get on with your life' I haven't said anything for days.. maybe weeks. Some I'm gonna get some feelings off my chest. I just really wanted to wish everyone a happy day. Even if your day isn't going that well just take some time off & relax. For instance, the last 2 days I've worked 24 hours (every possible moment my store has been open plus opening/closing duties & minus dinner/lunch breaks) but on my breaks I put everything aside. I just curl up with my toast sandwich & warm glass of water (it sucks going to Med school), put aside all facts of being friendless, ugly, annoying, odd or whatever & listen to my music. (I'm really starting to love Toy Box & Let Drown Me & I often spend breaks playing them over & over for 30 minutes.) Also look at it like this way. We all have a media to converse with folks that share our common interests (the Band), dreams (Mr Kozik producing the PN vid), anger (Caryn & the whole music biz), lust for just plain old good music, etc. We even have power struggles... fights... fun... fun stories. Some people even get pissed enough to flat out cancel the list. I'm sure this really means very little to most of you & most of these same rejectors probably think I'm an idiot (don't think... believe) but I'm happy. I'm happy for us all. We have a new record to listen to & place to discuss it. I know those 2 things don't make the World go 'round but they sure help me alot. The music business will be just that (business of course) & even though we are the reason it exists we still get shat on (I think this is the correct form of the word.) The music business can't take my emotions that are created when Cornell screams 'please take me back to my lil girl's hand' (Toy Box) or 'but I shoulda stayed in bed' (TDITtL) or the chorus of BUtOW the first time or 'and you drag me along' (Call Me a Dog). Yes, I'll probably die a replusive poor man on the outside but I'll live forever inside happy with myself. 'checkmate, watch machine die' That was my rough commentary of Thayil's NtMF. Thank you Kim (c: Worthless sidenote: Wanna know something cool? (if not, um.. well you know -points to the next paragraph-) Cornell says my last name in Rhinosaur (graves) and in the same line sorta says my first name (graze has ray in it). It's even in order. I should change my middle name from david to mung (as in among... 'gRAYze aMUNG the GRAVES'). No wait... didn't Wayne & Garth (Saturday Night Live / movie spin-off for those that haven't been exposed) say that mung was the 'something' even worse than hurl? Anyway. Topic again. Maybe this is Cornell's way of dedicating a song to me (c: if I could be so lucky. Of course he dedicates the song to me about a 'noselizard' (animal). Dang... must have something to do with my low-self esteem (c: & my huge nose for that matter. Some say I talk too much , some say I shouldn't talk at all. Anyone think that Boot Camp might be Heaven? Damn.... I've listened to this record a little too much in the last week (c: So much emotion has been running through me that I'm unable to discuss it with anyone... Every song except for An Unkind have moved me (Sorry Ben). I guess this is because I CAN look a saint in the eye. ray Hey, let go my ego! ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 133] ****************************************