From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 22 May 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 01:54:05 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Wednesday, 22 May 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: YEEESSS!!!!! No real subject. Re: No real subject. Re: on the subject of lolla... Re: on the subject of lolla... Re: Ben Re: been stuck inside and up all night at ben's... been stuck inside and up all night at ben's... Re: on the subject of lolla... Breakdown (Flames?) On-Line Lolla Tix Re: on the subject of lolla... COMPILATION VIDEO DETAILS FROM THE NYC POST NY TIMES REVIEW what kind of lolla tix? lolla and mgmt... Re: Shroom's comments ATTENTION Vinyl-Lovers!!! Led Zep Re: NY TIMES REVIEW Web fun: commenting on DOTU Re: Led Zep Re: on the subject of lolla... Re: NY TIMES REVIEW Re: on the subject of lolla... Follow me into the dessert DOTU The Sound Garden-record store and band Re: on the subject of lolla... Finally Got It!!!!! Hater-->"Dusty" Do NOT buy this CD boot! Funny Pictures Re: Follow me into the dessert Digipaks... New York Times weirdness Re: on the subject of lolla... Re: New York Times weirdness Shirts. . . Re: black lemon days... CLEAR VINLY.... Re: Shroom's comments Blown Away by DOTU ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Robin Subject: YEEESSS!!!!! Today I'll go to all the record stores to buy the best record of this year... maybe I wouldn't found ... It doesn't matter, if I didn't have today I'll have it someday. BYE ROBIN LOVE IS like suicide ------------------------------ From: Gardena@aol.com Subject: No real subject. > I think a good question to ask is if they are going to do a seperate tour after lolla?< I email the fan club awhile back and they said the band was thinking of doing a US tour... but no plans have been set! what's the deal on the " compilation videos"? did I miss something? could some one please fill in the blanks? Gardena ------------------------------ Subject: Re: No real subject. From: "Matthew Lawrence" > > > I think a good question to ask is if they are going to do a seperate > tour after lolla?< > > I email the fan club awhile back and they said the band was thinking of doing > a US tour... but no plans have been set! > That's bloody good isn't it? 2 US tours and no European.. Plus they've said they don't want to do Britain.. :( :( :( :( :( Matt ------------------------------ Subject: Re: on the subject of lolla... From: "Matthew Lawrence" > > from another list/place.... > > >Lollapalooza... $42.75 for a ticket. Is that a ing joke? Get real. How > do the kids afford this one? It pisses me off that Soundgraden would agree > to this. There must be some other way to make this happen. A big ing > joke. No wonder Perry Farrell gave up and just decided to roll in the money > from the trademark. Actually, that's about the going rate for festival type things.. Reading tickets cost 60 quid, which is something like $100 or more (I think). My maxim for festival going is to see which bands are on the bill who you would go and see anyway, and work out what it would cost you to see them individually. Last year with Soundgarden, Pumpkins and Foo fighters it was well worth going (to reading). If you are only going to Lolla to see SG, then it might not be worth it unless you really don't want to miss the festival experience. Especially considering they are planning another US tour afterwards. Matt ------------------------------ From: Greg Bensimon Subject: Re: on the subject of lolla... On Mon, 20 May 1996, caryn rose wrote: > from another list/place.... > > >Lollapalooza... $42.75 for a ticket. Is that a ing joke? Get real. > > which begs the question: > > how do we feel about this? > at what price soundgarden, really? I have to agree. Maybe you some of you remember my ranting last week about the $5.25 service charge per ticket. Lolla has definitely gone from an "alternative" attraction to main-stream commercial enterprise. It sucks, but what can you do? It's the in thing now, and everybody's got to get their nickel out of it... Want a bargain? How about the HFStival for those in the Baltimore-Washington area. Eighteen bands for eighteen dollars. Anyway, the point being (if there really is a point) that good deals are still out there. You just have to look a little harder. Now, at what price Soundgarden? That's tough... I've never seen them live, and Lolla is also featuring Metallica (who absolutely MADE Woodstock, IMHO), so it's a little easier for me to justify forking over $43 for the ticket this time. Now, had I caught SG at Lolla '92 or on tour in '94, I probably wouldn't waste the money and the day of leave from work. The ticket industry has become such a scam, but we keep buying 'em, so they'll keep selling 'em. Anyway, Soundgarden is one of the "Five Bands I Must See Before I Die", so they get my $43... this time. If the Gods of Lolla want me to come back next year though, they'll have to lower the price. SG is the last band on my "Five Bands" list. And not just anyone gets on there... (Maybe next year we can start the "Boycott Lollapalooza Web Page") Greg ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Ben From: "Matthew Lawrence" > I don't have sexual feelings for him (I'm Hetro) but I have to > say this: I knew it all along!!! Ben is being the hailed as the real > innovator for this album, and rightfully so! Hmmm.. There's a lot of good music on the album that Ben didn't write. True, he had a lot more influence over this one than previous ones, but I think "the real innovator" is too strong a title. Not that I'm saying that Ben's songs weren't excellent, miond you. > > Look at this list: > > Face Pollution, Somewhere, Head Down, Half, etc . . . Don't forget the hand he had in JCP :) > > These are the tracks that really pushed the limits on the previous > albums. It's really easy to see that Ben has become an important part of > the creative process. (BTW, does anyone have a demo version of Half?) > It's weird but Soundgarden ussually has an innovative bassist (can't > include everman). "I Awake" is my fav LOL track and Truly rocks. I think the reason you think the bassists were innovative is because they wrote music that wasn't the same as Chris' the main writers have always been Chris and the band bassist, so it's no surprise that the bassist's songs always sound different. Chris and Kim have a fairly similar writing style which makes Ben's songs stand out even more. I agree, Ben has written some really good songs (see above) but so has Chris. > > Chris may have the killer vocals, Kim: the killer licks, Matt: great > rhythm . . . but Ben writes the music that pushs the band. Flame Away! The beauty of Soundgarden lies in the fact that they all contribute to the music, Chris' songs are among the best I've ever heard, but I believe that without the contributions from the other members of the band, they wouldn't be even half as good, and they certainly wouldn't be Soundgarden songs at the end of the day. The same is true of Ben. I think that Ben is underrated by a lot of people, though. > > This all makes me want to restart the work I was doing on my Ben homepage!!! Cool.. Post the URL when you're done. Matt ------------------------------ From: B Rogers Subject: Re: been stuck inside and up all night at ben's... Personally, I think Ben is the best member of the band. When he play's he like he's off in a different world...but always tying the rest of the band together. He plays harmonies that if you heard them by themselves, you'd think they sucked. But in the songs, they sound incredible. His songs are unique, i've never heard someone write a song like him. P.S. I also have a lot of respect for him being a bass player myself. Thanks. B Rogers ------------------------------ From: champagne.supernova@thenexus.com Subject: been stuck inside and up all night at ben's... S3> can any bass players (or guitar players for that matter) say who S3>out of hiro and ben is actually *better* on bass? are there any list S3>members who prefer the hiro-era soundgarden to the ben-era soundgarden? S3>as much as I don't like half, I'd rather listen to head down or dusty S3>than most of the stuff hiro wrote for ultramega or ltl. As a bass player (thank you Mr. Champagne) I can honestly say that as far as playing ability goes, Hiro and Ben were the same. I can play lots of Soundgarden songs, and a lot of em are pretty easy on bass =) There are also ultramega hard songs to play on bass, like Somewhere and Spoonman (it really tires out my fretting hand), and Ben is a great bass player.. he's like an Unsung Hero in the world of Les Claypools and Fleas.. Hiro was a great bass player too.. as for songwriting ability Hiro and Ben are both amazing but I prefer Ben's songs.. I like the newer Soundgarden better than the older Soundgarden.... But that's just the world according to Erin. Champagne. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: on the subject of lolla... From: tonerkin@usa.pipeline.com (Tonerkin) On May 20, 1996 22:59:11, 'caryn rose ' wrote: >personally, i'm pissed. i'm pissed that i'm going to have to pay close to >$100 in order to see soundgarden. >and drive six hours, to boot... I agree with Caryn on this one. I have a choice of two Lolla's. The one out in western Il. or Indianapolis. After long and hard consideration I have opted not to go. It's not the money issue. I would work overtime or sell my dog to get the cash if necessary. It's a couple of things. One is general admission. This seems like a ridiculous way to do it. Sort of defeats the purpose of a festival. How are you suppose to "enjoy" all the other stages and things that are offered. There are several bands on the second stage I was interested in seeing. If you are lucky enough to get a good spot for seeing SG your butt is going to have to stay put the entire day. Also the general admission always sets up a dangerous situation when the gates are open. By the looks of some of the fans I see walking around in Metallica tees I fear they will run people over in a heartbeat to get up front. So I will not pay big bucks to see SG for a shortened version of their set. I will suffer through the summer hearing all of you gush about the show. And than hopefully if and when Soundgarden comes to Chicago I will be there! Toni ------------------------------ From: Mayor McCheese Subject: Breakdown (Flames?) CAUTION: REVIEW (DELETE NOW IF YOU ARE SICK OF REVIEWS) After about a week of listening: Before You think I hate the album, I give it 4.25 on scale of 5. Boot Camp - pink floyd (I can't wait for Alt NRG II when they do this with Roger Waters, heh heh) Zero Chance - pearl jam (but even PJ doesn't have this magic anymore) Ty Cobb - b-side as song 5 (Rock-a-billy?) Blow Up TOW - Beatles (Another Lennon Demo behind this?) Applebite - pink floyd again . . . ever heard "Heartbeat, Pigmeat"? Never the Machine - Ultramega OK (why Greg G. inspiration? hmmmmmm...) Tighter and Tighter - Holy Water II No Attention - Kickstand II Switch Opens - R.E.M. (complete with Micheal Stipe fast vocals "Switch is on, Switch is on, Switch is on . . ." and the marchy feel of early R.E.M.) Fav Song: Applebite (seth, if you still talk to Matt, tell him its by far the most innovative on the album ;) ) Least Fav: Rhinosaur (seth, if you still talk to Matt, tell him it's by far the least innovative on the album >:( ) Pretty Noose doesn't seem to fit in. I have no arguement to support this statement. It's just a feeling, like the force. Soundgarden should produce for other bands . . . they did great. They tried for less polished sound than SuperUnknown? Shit, this is smooth and soft like silk. Thats my criticizm. Critics suck. I really do like the album, I just needed to get this all of my chest. This and that this album is so . . . soft (that isn't bad). You know something: Take BadMoterFinger, SuperUnknown, and Down On the Upside. They don't build on each other (with a couple of exceptions). They just are like different branches of a tree. Let it Grow. Go, Wolfboy, Go. Mayor McCheese XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Another sickening review by the retarded ------------------------------ From: Greg Bensimon Subject: On-Line Lolla Tix Has anyone else out there tried to order Lolla tickets over the Internet? Ticketmaster says that you should receive confirmation of your order with in 48 hours via e-mail. I've tried placing two orders. Both showed up as pending for a while, then disappeared. I haven't seen an e-mail yet either. I'm starting to worry that I'll end up with either zero tickets or 8 tickets instead of the four I want... Help! Greg ------------------------------ From: Nate Crosswhite Subject: Re: on the subject of lolla... At 10:59 PM 5/20/96 -0700, you wrote: >how do we feel about this? >at what price soundgarden, really? >have any of you looked at how much this is going to cost you? can you >afford this? i have a good job and i'm questioning it... not to mention >that most of these venues are quite a distance away ... three hours drive >*one way* for me... which means camping and food... and they expect us to >buy tshirts... > >personally, i'm pissed. i'm pissed that i'm going to have to pay close to >$100 in order to see soundgarden. >and drive six hours, to boot... > Geez, what up Caryn? You've been pissed for a couple days now... If you are going to Lolla just to see SG, then maybe it isn't worth it for you. But you aren't paying ~$50 to get SG tix, you are paying to see over a dozen bands, that seems like a good deal to me. Food? You are going to have to eat, whether you go to Lolla or not. Expect you to buy t-shirts? Maybe you expect to buy a t-shirt, I don't know about anyone else. Three hour drive? Some of us have to drive 6 hours, one-way. Really, just relax. If you don't want the hassle, just wait 'til the fall, and hope that SG decides to tour some more. Nate ------------------------------ From: Malvol7@aol.com Subject: COMPILATION VIDEO DETAILS Sorry I didn't post all the details before...here they are for everyone who asked. The videos were $12 when I got them last year...please e-mail PJStarr@aol.com for the details of postage etc. If I remember correctly I think Shroom said the total price was $15 for each including postage. PJ's mailing address is: PJ Klyemore Drive Huber Heights, Ohio 45424-3024 Videos are taped at SP mode and of excellent quality. VIDEO #l is 2 hours: Hard n Heavy Seattle Bands interview 1990 Headbanger's Ball w/Chris and Kim 1989 Headbanger's Ball w/Chris and Kim 1991 Concrete Foundations Forum 1991 Interview Concrete Foundations Forum 1991 Live Performance of "Outshined" Concrete Foundations Forum 1991 Chris and Eddie Vedder RIP Magazine Party w/Chris Eddie Vedder 1991 Day on the Green Interview and Performance Clip 1991 Headbanger's Ball Bowling with Rikki Rachtman 1994 Headbanger's Ball in studio1994 Hard and Heavy Interview 1993 Guns n Roses Pay Per View SG's 20-25 minute live concert set (Ok, I exaggerated when I said there were 20 things on each video...I got carried away, but it's still worth it. Also, Shroom might be interested to know that there is about 2 seconds of Chris kissing Eddie Vedder. I also apologize if these tapes don't actually carry have EVERY interview that SG has ever done...but I was very excited about seeing them, and they have things on them that I had never had the opportunity to see before.) VIDEO #2 is 1 hour and 30 minutes: Soundgarden on Hanging with MTV 1992 Tour of Seattle w/SG Bookstore shopping in NY w/SG Edge Fest Highlights Soundgarden in Seattle (SuperUnknown) MTV post 1994 VMA's interview Lollapalooza 2 report Preview 1992-SG Loud Love video Hands All Over video Rusty Cage video Outshined (TWO VERSIONS) Black Hole Sun video Spoon Man video Day I Tried To Live video Harn n Heavy w/Andy Wood Temple of the Dog-Hunger Strike video Also available: Badmotorvision (1992) 57 minutes and Louder Love (1990) 50 minutes PJ also has a big list of audio tapes available if you're interested. ------------------------------ From: Malvol7@aol.com Subject: FROM THE NYC POST I waited around for ages after SNL and didn't even see SG leave...I'm going to be really annoyed now if I find out they were right downstairs at the cafe the whole time! Does anyone know if they stayed and joined "Jim's group?" FROM THE NYC POST/MAY 20 "Earlybird tourists in Rockefeller Plaza yesterday got more than a worm. They came across Jim Carrey and the SNL crowd at the outdoor cafe, still celebrating as the sun came up. It was the end-of-season party for the show, memorably hosted the night before by Carrey. Carrey himself just gets more popular. At the party, they actually lined up to shake his hand". They went on to mention Christy Turlington, Jason Patric., Jon Stewart, Elle Macpherson, Al Franken, Molly Ringwald, Ernie Grunfeld with his wife and kids, etc. but NO mention of SG...think they headed downtown to the clubs or right back to Seattle??? ------------------------------ From: Malvol7@aol.com Subject: NY TIMES REVIEW Vikki, here is the review from the NY Times...my boyfriend took the other newspapers with him today, but I'll try and post those reviews/interviews as soon as I can. NY TIMES MAY 19th Recordings View/CONSORTING WITH THE SNAKE Since its inception, rock music has had the snake as its escort. The snake is slimy, sinuous and lowly. It can be the agent of a fall from grace, an all-purpose phallic symbol, a cheater and back stabber or the losing combination in a roll of the dice. Whatever form it takes, the snake is always very masculine and very wicked. And it is all over "Down on the Upside," the latest album from SG, the leaders of grunge's hard rock school. The album is not the first recording on which SG has walked with the snake--"Get on the Snake" is one of the centerpieces of 1989's "Louder Than Love." Nor does "DOTU" represent the best use to which SG has put the snake; the honor goes to the line about the snake being in the singer CC's eyes in "Black Holde Sun," the hit from last year's No. 1 album "Superunknown." But never before has SG relied on snake imagery more that it does on "DOTU," the band's rawer, looser follow up to "Superunknown." "Eat the fruit, and kiss the snake good night," Mr. Cornell sings in his high pitched voice in the album's first song, "Pretty Noose." In "Tighter and Tighter," he softly moans, "Fell too far to start again/A sudden snake found my shape and tells the world." And in "Unkind," the bassist Ben Shepherd pitches in, "We see the vipers of distance/Crawl into our lives every day/Breeding our Edens of hatred." Even when there is no mention of the snake, it is still present. He lurks in titles like "Applebite" and in the references to primal sin and falls from Paradise in other songs. In its songs, SG does not represent the snake but rather is possessed by it and is led into sin by it. Thus the victimizers are the victims, able to sin without repenting and to escape responsibility for their actions. In this way the band can harness grunge's self-absorbtion to heavy metal's destructive energy and come up with a song like "Blow Up the Outside World." SG's guitarist, Kim Thayil, is the master of the serpentine, playing Jimmy Page to Mr. Cornell's Robert Plant. Or, on "DOTU's" weaker tracks--about a third of the 16 song album--he plays Eddie Van Halen to Mr. Cornell's Sammy Hagar. He slowly wraps his guitar lines around Mr. Cornell's voice in "Tighter and Tighter," increasing in intensity until he overwhelms the singer. The snake isn't the only animal invoked on "DOTU." There are some mice, a dog, an ant and one fictional rhinsaur. Generally, IDENTIFYING WITH ANIMALS IN SONG LYRICS IS A SIGN OF LOW SELF- ESTEEM, and SG is no exception. For all the virility and macho power that rock singers have tried to wring from the snake, SG remains more interested in the fact that it is the only animal curse to spend its days slithering on the ground. As Mr. Cornell sings in "Rhinosaur," "Only healthy in the dirt." (end) ------------------------------ From: "Limo Wreck" Subject: what kind of lolla tix? ok.. you people forking over the $40 bucks per ticket, what KIND of ticket are you getting?... are they all general admission or are are they seperated into levels or something? please let me know :) jeremy - -- Jeremy Crocker, A.K.A unGod j_crocke@eos.ncsu.edu http://www4.ncsu.edu/eos/users/j/j_crocke/WWW/home.html "somewhere through a thousand blues a dragonfly descends with just a whisper. i'm lonelier than god, and all my wishes spin the fishes in the air and everyone a different shade of you" - "suicide machine", by Hum ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: lolla and mgmt... 1) lolla. okay.. $35-40 is a good price for a 'festival', you're seeing a lot of bands, and the per band price is very small. in fact, at the 94 lolla, i thought the beastie boys alone were well worth the $40 total i spent on ticket (including service charges). my problem is the extra $10 service charge to buy it over the net... it's not like ic an go buy it at the venue's box office -- it's a three hour drive one way! my problem is that three hour drive... my problem is that it's an all day show in the middle of the week... my problem is the fact that they won't let me bring food into the venue (or drink)... i really don't understand why soundgarden had to do lolla. the original concept of lolla has been perverted and twisted... the point of lolla was many different kinds of music and people. right now, it's gonna be buttrock central. the band has spoken quite emphatically how they did not enjoy the gnr experience for that reason. and yet, they choose yet again to wade into the thick of that culture? don't get me wrong, i love metallica, i know they are more intelligent than your average butt-rock band. unfortunately, not many of their FANS are like that... and yes that is a gross generalization, there are exceptions to every rule, but the point is that it's going to be one mass male bonding ritual and i as a grrl am not going to feel comfortable there.... i dunno. i'm rambling... i know... i just think that we need to talk about this as opposed to just blindly buying our tickets like sheep. 2) management this is actually a subject I am qualified to speak about... I was in the music business for 10 years, left it last year... i'm not going to debate my credentials, so let's not start that, okay? my point is: there are many different styles of band management. some bands take a total "you decide" approach and put their total faith and trust in their manager to decide everything for them... other bands manage by committee (e.g., they discuss all decisions and their manager implements them)... others a combination of the two... there are about a zillion different models, and every band is different... however, my point is that I sincerely doubt that soundgarden are not involved in the day-to-day management of their activities. these are not stupid guys who don't know any better or don't care... like how kim asked to include the BMF and Ultramega logos at the end of the PN video... i dunno. i think they would be very much aware of a lawsuit being filed on their behalf. again, i think. this is all opinion on my part... and i don't want to paint them as bad guys, but i don't think you can blame it all on susan silver and say that they have nothing to do with this decision. and for those of you who think i'm over reacting, well, i wanna see how you feel when seth is forced to take his web site down... when we're all forced to remove all mention of the word 'soundgarden' from our web pages because it's become a registered trademark. (don't laugh, they could do it!) not all of us have such good connections with susan silver,ya know? (nor do we necessarily want them) *sigh* i'm remembering now why i left the music business in the first place... - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Grant Asher Subject: Re: Shroom's comments Hey shroom, Ignore everyone who moans at you about your drooling comments over Chris. I personally find it rather amusing. One thing that is mildly annoying though is when people repeat the entire message that they're replying to. It does tend to clog up my mailbox a bit. :-) Onto the new album.... I got hold of it yesterday (Monday 20th) so it's had time to sink in. I can definitely see some Beatles influence, especially in Blow up the outside world, which IMHO is the best song on the album. Ty cobb is pretty funky too. I didn't post yesterday as a assumed that there would be enough "I've just got the album" type comments there already. Grant Asher ------------------------------ Subject: ATTENTION Vinyl-Lovers!!! From: Brydon Cheyney CS95 When I nipped into HMV Glasgow this afternoon, I decided to check out the vinyl section and here's what I found - 3 copies of DOTU - How limited are these??????? Anyone got figures? 1 Limited Edition Coloured Vinyl Superunknown - has anyone got any idea about this one? HOW limited exactly is it? And what colour is it? It is a European release - it has 'She Likes Surprises' on it. It's 12.99 (about $19 USA) If anyone is interested I can pick it up and post it to them if they send me money. I'll have to know now though, as I'm going home at the beginning of next month. Cheers, BC ------------------------------ Subject: Led Zep From: Brydon Cheyney CS95 > From: caryn rose > Subject: "burden..." and led zep > > anyone else on here think that "burden in my hand" has faint echoes of > "gallows pole"? > (anyone on here k now what the fuck i'm talking about? ;->) At last! That's been pissing off all day, NOW I know where I've heard it before. Maybe they can 'borrow' ideas from 'Over The Hills' or something. That'd be cool... Cheers, BC ------------------------------ Subject: Re: NY TIMES REVIEW From: "Matthew Lawrence" Did the bloke who wrote this review actually read the lyric sheet? There're so many mistakes in there.. IMHO, he's just using any old excuse he can to give a bad review, nit-picking like that is a sign of low self esteem :P Matt ------------------------------ Subject: Web fun: commenting on DOTU From: seth School ended for this year at noon today, so I started making some changes to the unofficial SG site, with its newly registered domain name, silvermanagement.com (it's a JOKE, people), including adding a place where you can submit comments about DOTU and everyone will be able to see them. It would be cool if those of you who want to do reviews or just make a few comments or whatever filled it out. It's linked from the DOTU page, and as you'll read there, it will parse whatever you type as HTML, so if you want to include line breaks or paragraph marks or whatever, feel free. Just don't add your own horizontal rules, because the script will automatically put one above your comments to separate it from everyone else's. As per the suggestion of Blight Dog, Inc., this comment form will soon be available for all of SG's releases as part of the attempt to get more input from people around the world. And if you have lyric quotes that you like, please suggest them to me and I'll add them to the list of quotes that gets randomized for the main page. seth ------------------------------ From: Gonzo Subject: Re: Led Zep At 09:14 PM 5/21/96 +0100, you wrote: > >> From: caryn rose >> Subject: "burden..." and led zep stuff deleted for brevity >Cheers, >BC > I listened to Burden... and yes,in the beginning of the first chord progression the first two chords do sound reminiscent of Gallows poles.I only hear the A minor to A major chord change from that tune and then maybe the g major to D major.It's been a long time since I tried playing that one.I had to listen really hard to pick it out of the song Burden.It's not derivative sounding. There is a pretty good article in the new Guitar player magazine.The one with Kim Thayil,holding one of his many Guild s-100 guitars,on the front cover. Kim provides some info. regarding some of the instrumentation that was used on Burden in my hand.As well as others songs. Chris play a resonator guitar tuned to CGCGCE,LOW TO HIGH,on Burden in my hand Gonzo ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: on the subject of lolla... On Mon, 20 May 1996, caryn rose wrote: > > personally, i'm pissed. i'm pissed that i'm going to have to pay close to > $100 in order to see soundgarden. > and drive six hours, to boot... Oh boy, have you got it bad. Soundgarden will not be coming within 16 hours of my house this summer. They were supposed to play in Minnesota, but it looks like that date will not happen. Now I'm considering driving across the country to see them in Vancouver at Thunderbird Stadium, August 9th. Never mind that, people in Europe and Australia will have to wait 6 month to a year to have the possibility of seeing them live. Your situation is not all that bad. GO! You will not regret it. Geoff ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: NY TIMES REVIEW Hahahahahhaa. I just read the NY Times review. That's the stupidest review I've ever heard. What was that guy on? Geoff ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: on the subject of lolla... On Tue, 21 May 1996, onefellswoop wrote: > On Mon, 20 May 1996, caryn rose wrote: > > > > personally, i'm pissed. i'm pissed that i'm going to have to pay close to > > $100 in order to see soundgarden. > > and drive six hours, to boot... > > Oh boy, have you got it bad. Soundgarden will not be coming within 16 > hours of my house this summer. They were supposed to play in Minnesota, > but it looks like that date will not happen. Now I'm considering driving > across the country to see them in Vancouver at Thunderbird Stadium, > August 9th. Never mind that, people in Europe and Australia will have to > wait 6 month to a year to have the possibility of seeing them live. Your > situation is not all that bad. GO! You will not regret it. this is BULLSHIT! why should we have to accept this? what, i'm not a "real" SG fan because i don't want to take two days off work and drive six hours through the desert and get my boobs groped by horny, underage metallica fans? this is NOT a forum to enjoy seeing a band in! why the hell should we have to settle for paying megabucks to see our favorite band in a sub-optimal, subhuman atmosphere? i don't buy this... i don't buy that i'm 'lucky' to have to go through this in order to see them. i think we as fans are getting treated like shit, and unless we say something, we will continue to be treated like shit. you should see what most of the music business REALLY thinks about us. they do think taht we're stupid, and we don't know any better. but we do ... these dates are not selling out as quickly as they thought. and they don't know why. hmmm. it's an individual choice, i grant you taht. and i probably will go... and i will probably regret it. and it sucks taht this is my only option to see the band. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: dao5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Follow me into the dessert Sommites, I have a feeling that this could be the best sg album ever. Why you ask? Because the first listen through I dodn't like it. The second one through thought it was alright. Heard dusty for the 4th time and now I am like superwhat? Anyway the sg songs I liked the most are the ones I was initially ambivelent to. Limo Wreck, btw, Fresh Tendrills, 4th of july. Anyway if anyone cares Entertainment Weekly gave the album a good review. A B+ however the only problems they had with it was it was to long, and none of the songs are easily accessible. I agree I really love dusty, tighter and tighter, blow up the outside world, and track 3 can't remember right now. I agree wholeheartedly that Ben really helped the band, w/o the guy the just a really good band but not a incredible one. I have to disagree with the comment that no new ground is broken on the album. You don't hear it the first time but by the 4th time you realize who unsymetrical the songs are. Dusty really has 2 distinct parts, that at first listen shouldn't be together, but somehow they make it work. Dusty what a beautiful song, doesn't really sound like them. Sounds like Chris singing with a new hater influenced band. Thease guys are the only band I know off that influences them selves. I think this album dispite having led zep and beattles traces. Breaks new ground because you have to first realize that sg, the beattles and led zep share alot of infleunces so theres going to be some similarities. However they went farther then either band imho went with those influences. I have been listning to alot of howling wolf lately and I can hear it in Limo Wreck. It's there believe me. Hmm... the band sounded bad on snl, when they played pretty noose. However realize the peformance was late and ben said something to chris afterwards. So there was obviously a problem. Burden in my hand sounded good though, I like it better than the album one. Remember kids music reviewers suck. I HATED supeunk the first time I heard it. 3 weeks later it was permanantly in cd player. It took a good 4 months to digest that album though. This one could take 6 months to a year. If thats not breaking new ground I don't know what is. Clown ------------------------------ From: "Rune Caleb Bloom" Subject: DOTU I just picked up my very own copy of Down On The Upside today. FUCK! It kicks ass! Maybe I'm crazy but I just get this weird feeling whenever I listen to Soundgarden. Anyone else like that? Anyway, I know everyone has already put their .02 worth in (in Shrooms case it's about $5!) so I'll just crawl back into my little hole and listen to more Soundgarden. Caleb Bloom - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rune Caleb Bloom Phone: 209-781-5991 E-Mail: rcbloom@ocsnet.net "The Truth Is Out There" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Heather Aston Subject: The Sound Garden-record store and band I can't believe that *Soundgarden* the band we know and love would do something so petty. The music store called "The Sound Garden" registered to use "soundgarden" as their domain name,did they not? So how can the band ask them not to use the name? Man, this really bums me out. I wonder how the band would feel if the sculptor who did the original Sound Garden asked *them* not to use the name? ------------------------------ From: Nate Crosswhite Subject: Re: on the subject of lolla... At 03:57 PM 5/21/96 -0700, you wrote: >this is BULLSHIT! >this is NOT a forum to enjoy seeing a band in! why the hell should we >have to settle for paying megabucks to see our favorite band in a >sub-optimal, subhuman atmosphere? >--caryn Geez, I'm just happy that SG is touring - at all! We had this big discussion over on the Alice In Chains mailing list about how Layne doesn't want to tour, blah, blah. I mean, Soundgarden doesn't owe us anything - they could charge $1,000 a ticket to see the concert. Sure, we could bitch about it, but it comes down to the fact that SG has the right to choose the venue they want to play in. In the end, you have to make a decision: do I like SG enough to put up with all the other shit ($$$, travel time, groping fans) to see them anyway? Nate ------------------------------ From: blawson@vvm.com (Bryan T. Lawson) Subject: Finally Got It!!!!! I finally got DOTU today!! It's a kick-ass album. Sure, it was a week late getting to Killeen, but it was worth the wait. My favorite song thus far is "Burden in my Hand". I really dig it. I've added a picture of Chris and Ben to my web page that I borrowed from Seth (thanks Seth!), and I plan to add more, and eventually dedicate an entire page to SG. If any of you care to check it out, it's at http://www.vvm.com/~blawson/home.html. ------------------------------ From: "Limo Wreck" Subject: Hater-->"Dusty" has anyone else noticed that "Dusty" sounds exactly like a Hater song. Ben even did the music, and its awesome too :) jerm - -- Jeremy Crocker, A.K.A unGod j_crocke@eos.ncsu.edu http://www4.ncsu.edu/eos/users/j/j_crocke/WWW/home.html "somewhere through a thousand blues a dragonfly descends with just a whisper. i'm lonelier than god, and all my wishes spin the fishes in the air and everyone a different shade of you" - "suicide machine", by Hum ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: Do NOT buy this CD boot! Hey list! I found this boot CD for sale in a.m.alternative. Do NOT buy it. It's just a rehash of one of the world album premiere shows...with some of the interview of the import single thrown in. Don't WASTE your money! On the *upside*, this is the first new boot CD to have a SG theme since the Self Pollution bootleg. If anybody sees a boot (CD, video, 7" or DAT) that isnt included in the bootleg discography. Please email me...thanks! > I have one copy of a new, radio-promo only CD by Soundgarden. The disc >is full-lenght and has a nice cover. Has 9 tracks, eight of which are songs >from the album, with comments by the band on each song. Track listing: > 1. Pretty Noose (with comments) > 2. Dusty (with comments) > 3. Applebite(with comments) > 4. Rhinosaur(with comments) > 5. Burden in my hand(with comments) > 6. Blow Up The Outside World (with comments) > 7. Never the Machine Forever (with comments) > 8. An Unkind (with comments) > 9. Comments on Lollapalooza/Ramones > >This disc is a must have for any Soundgarden fans. The bidding starts at $10 >and _Into the Upside_ interviews are conducted bu Eleven's Alain and Natasha. >Please email inquiries to my account. Steve Steve - - srussell@epix.net - - http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~swr (now listed in Yahoo!) - - SG Web Alliance - - "I'm looking California...and feeling Chautauqua" ------------------------------ From: arphaxad@ix.netcom.com (Kelly) Subject: Funny Pictures This week's Kerrang has pictures of Chris Cornell in various poses, including one personal-hygiene photo, in case anyone is interested... Can you get the 'Pretty Noose' single at Tower? Someone please reply, thanks. ------------------------------ From: B Rogers Subject: Re: Follow me into the dessert That is some of the best commentary on SG I have ever heard. Good job. Thanks. B Rogers On Tue, 21 May 1996, ClownWithBazooka wrote: > Sommites, > I have a feeling that this could be the best sg album ever. Why you ask? > Because the first listen through I dodn't like it. The second one through > thought it was alright. Heard dusty for the 4th time and now I am like > superwhat? Anyway the sg songs I liked the most are the ones I was > initially ambivelent to. Limo Wreck, btw, Fresh Tendrills, 4th of july. > Anyway if anyone cares Entertainment Weekly gave the album a good review. > A B+ however the only problems they had with it was it was to long, and > none of the songs are easily accessible. I agree I really love dusty, > tighter and tighter, blow up the outside world, and track 3 can't remember > right now. I agree wholeheartedly that Ben really helped the band, w/o the > guy the just a really good band but not a incredible one. I have to > disagree with the comment that no new ground is broken on the album. You > don't hear it the first time but by the 4th time you realize who > unsymetrical the songs are. Dusty really has 2 distinct parts, that at > first listen shouldn't be together, but somehow they make it work. Dusty > what a beautiful song, doesn't really sound like them. Sounds like Chris > singing with a new hater influenced band. Thease guys are the only band I > know off that influences them selves. I think this album dispite having > led zep and beattles traces. Breaks new ground because you have to first > realize that sg, the beattles and led zep share alot of infleunces so > theres going to be some similarities. However they went farther then > either band imho went with those influences. I have been listning to alot > of howling wolf lately and I can hear it in Limo Wreck. It's there believe > me. Hmm... the band sounded bad on snl, when they played pretty noose. > However realize the peformance was late and ben said something to chris > afterwards. So there was obviously a problem. Burden in my hand sounded > good though, I like it better than the album one. Remember kids music > reviewers suck. I HATED supeunk the first time I heard it. 3 weeks later > it was permanantly in cd player. It took a good 4 months to digest that > album though. This one could take 6 months to a year. If thats not > breaking new ground I don't know what is. > Clown > > > ------------------------------ From: Chris Mackenzie Subject: Digipaks... Here's something I noticed that I thought was interesting... My digipak says "printed in the USA", but the CD that came inside says "made in Canada". Is this the same for Australia? ------------------------------ From: mansruin@sirius.com (Man's Ruin Inc.) Subject: New York Times weirdness Good Lord!Someone is very,very lonely....maybe a pet would help. Frank Kozik ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: on the subject of lolla... Hey, I didn't say anyhting about you as a fan. I was only pointing out that many fans would easily go through what you must to see SG live, but don't even have the oppurtunity. I just saw the SNL performance, and now I want to see them in the worst way. Of course anyone would prefer to see the band in a more intimate setting, but after the reception they got here in '94, I am not counting on them making a return visit. There is no way to hear a band but live. I want to go seriously nuts to Ty Cobb and fifty other Soundgarden songs at a deafening volume. Kim is a master. So is matt. Chris is a enigma and Ben is Ben. SG is a band not to be missed live. Make the best of your situation. GO!! Geoff On Tue, 21 May 1996, caryn rose wrote: > > > On Tue, 21 May 1996, onefellswoop wrote: > > > On Mon, 20 May 1996, caryn rose wrote: > > > > > > personally, i'm pissed. i'm pissed that i'm going to have to pay close to > > > $100 in order to see soundgarden. > > > and drive six hours, to boot... > > > > Oh boy, have you got it bad. Soundgarden will not be coming within 16 > > hours of my house this summer. They were supposed to play in Minnesota, > > but it looks like that date will not happen. Now I'm considering driving > > across the country to see them in Vancouver at Thunderbird Stadium, > > August 9th. Never mind that, people in Europe and Australia will have to > > wait 6 month to a year to have the possibility of seeing them live. Your > > situation is not all that bad. GO! You will not regret it. > > this is BULLSHIT! > why should we have to accept this? what, i'm not a "real" SG fan because > i don't want to take two days off work and drive six hours through the > desert and get my boobs groped by horny, underage metallica fans? > > this is NOT a forum to enjoy seeing a band in! why the hell should we > have to settle for paying megabucks to see our favorite band in a > sub-optimal, subhuman atmosphere? > > i don't buy this... i don't buy that i'm 'lucky' to have to go through > this in order to see them. i think we as fans are getting treated like > shit, and unless we say something, we will continue to be treated like shit. > > you should see what most of the music business REALLY thinks about us. > they do think taht we're stupid, and we don't know any better. but we do > ... these dates are not selling out as quickly as they thought. and they > don't know why. > > hmmm. > > it's an individual choice, i grant you taht. and i probably will go... > and i will probably regret it. and it sucks taht this is my only option > to see the band. > > --caryn > ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: New York Times weirdness No doubt. That reviewer has a serious fixation on animals. A pet or pychotherapy would be my recommendation. Geoff On Tue, 21 May 1996, Man's Ruin Inc. wrote: > Good Lord!Someone is very,very lonely....maybe a pet would help. > > Frank Kozik > > > ------------------------------ From: Mayor McCheese Subject: Shirts. . . Hey Rc, I think it would be funny to send a list T-Shirt to Silver Management for the band. Maybe Frank could help (sorry Frank), but I think it would be funny to see a band member as a "Sommite". Soylent Green is Still People, Mayor McCheese XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX "I'm so bad, I kick my own ass twice a day!" -Creeper from Dolemite ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: black lemon days... GK>My understanding is that Chris presented it to the band a long time ago, GK>and the band didn't like it, so they didn't really do anything with it. GK>That doesn't really explain why the recording exists, except that it is a GK>demo. I think they are both great songs. Well, only Chris and Matt are playing on it, so maybe Ben and Kim hated it, and Matt didn't think much of it, but Chris made Matt play along with him so they wouldn't forget about it. Ok, so I'm TOTALLY wrong, but it could happen. Nothingman -Live spelled backwards is EVIL! ------------------------------ From: GeekGirl@aol.com Subject: CLEAR VINLY.... HELLO!! I would like to start my post by saying....NEENER NEENER!! I have it ! I have it!! I HAVE CLAER VINLY!!!!okay now that I have off my chest, wooh! I feel better! hello fellow somms-sters!! what a glorious SOUNDGRDEN-Y DAY it is!! I am as I type listening to DOTU( digi pack) and I also just got back from getting my CLEAR VINLY of DOTU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and the clear vinly didnt cost me much at all.....more on this keep reading! thanks to ALL the people who emailed me on the clear vinly subject.I guess I thought not that many people would be interested. so I would only get a few pieces of mail.WRONG... So I am here to explain where, how and how much I got the clear vinyl for! I ordered it through: Sound Asylum 619-944-3596 I have already tallked to them about phone orders, and they said" have anyone who is interested give them a call." talk to Curtis or Jenn.( they are an Indie store in N. san Diego County) here's the really great part of the whole thing.. the album ONLY cost me 19.78 plus tax. I think that is pretty good considering I bought the black ( limited version MY ASS) for 10 bucks or so!!! the clear version also says " limited edition" but now I am very leary of that! how limited is it?? I do know that this was " made in ENGALND " so maybe I will be more " limited" than it is here! who knows!!? I just know that I am in SOUNGARDEN HEAVEN!!!!!!!!!! I think I have covered the whole clear subject pretty well.if you still have any questions please feel free to email( but I will using a diffrent name.. keep reading) by the way I LOVE THE NEW ALBUM...!! so far fav's are... 1.an unkind ( reminds me of OLD SOUNDGARDEN!! ) 2.ty cobb 3.tighter and tighter!! 4.applebite 5.rhinosaur 6.blow up the outside. I actually like ALL the songs on this album it's so hard to chose! I cant wait to see them live!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! even if it is at lollapa-LOSER! *** In my selfishness I failed to mention... Shroom you are also a very proud owner of clear vinly... I will email you for the amount!) p.s. I have changed my screen name, I will from now on make post's with GARDENA instead of Geek Girl... so if you need to email please use.. Gardena!! thank you! whiteout!!!(* shroom!! hahah) Dena :0)~ " only happy when you hurt only happy when I swarm only healthy in the dirt only empty in your arms" ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: Shroom's comments U0>Hey shroom, U0> Ignore everyone who moans at you about your drooling comments U0>over Chris. I personally find it rather amusing. Me too. I love laughing, especially when I don't feel like doing it. U0>One thing that is mildly annoying though is when people repeat the U0>entire message that they're replying to. It does tend to clog up my U0>mailbox a bit. :-) But if people don't quote, then sometimes it's hard for others who've been beaten by the big bad THC monster to remember what the hell you're talking about. I find it handy, except when a whole message is quoted for no apparent reason. Nothingman -Hey Chris, can I touch your thingy? ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: Blown Away by DOTU I didn't expect to be saying this, but I'm absolutely blown away. I finally got the chance to sit with the headphones and my shiny new CD and I am amazed. No offense to you younger listers, but this is what REAL music used to sound like, BEFORE butt-rock. God it was like a flashback to the days I'd sit with my headphones, high on purple microdot and just bliss out. And this was just my first listen. Definitely a headphone album, and you don't even need the drugs to feel the high. After one listen, I especially like Dusty, Never Named, Tighter & Tighter, and Overfloater. And I still like Pretty Noose, but I'm sure I'll be sick of it by the time it's played to death. IMHO this is some of the best work SG has done, and I've been following them for about 7 years. There is so much going on here musically and of course the lyrics are intriguing, as always. I'm not a musician, but I think this totally kicks ass. I haven't heard new music this powerful in almost 20 years, and I am in heaven, no matter what anyone else thinks (if its negative that is). I could just gush on and on, but I think I'll just go to bed now. What a great trip. Kathie ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 132] ****************************************