From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 17 May 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 01:57:34 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Friday, 17 May 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: What does it mean "J" ? ? ? ??? Rockline broadcast promo night in newcastle(uk) Good God! DotU & the Wooden BMF Anyone Listenin'? argh defence of nme! DOTU Quotes. btw... Re: defence of nme! Re: defence of nme! At Last! Re: defence of nme! pumpkins vs. sg Re: What does it mean "J" ? ? ? Lolla Tickets Re: What does it mean "J"? Re: What does it mean "J" ? ? ? Re: What does it mean "J" ? ? ? Awwwwww Yeah Thanks Guys An open letter to Johnny Cigarettes Ah ha! SG rareties list stuff CD SINGLES Fucking Video Re: New vinyl (fwd) ??? Burden in My Hand Wrong, dammit! Nudie bar? More comments to Johnny Cigarettes Re: two side three labels? ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Robin Brookeneck Subject: What does it mean "J" ? ? ? Hey ! Does anybody knows which name match with the J of Chris ? I read the history of the band in a lot of pages (Seth's page, of course)and nobody wrote down the complete name, also the names of the rest of the boys (you know) Kim A. Thayil Matthew D. Cameron Christopher J. Cornell Well Benedict Shepherd doesn't appear here but, if you know that he have a sencond name, just let me know. thanks. ROBIN LovE iS LIke SuicIDE ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: ??? What the hell is this? I found it in the MTV News... - -------------------------------------------------------- Speaking of Pearl Jam and Soundgarden, they're among the bands whose music is run through a collection of vintage synthesizers on a new album called "The Moog Cookbook", concocted by Roger Manning, formerly of Jellyfish, now with Imperial Drag, and his partner, Brian Kehew. The keyboards employed are such old analog faves as Moogs, Arps, Hammonds, and Farfisas, and the tunes transformed include Pearl Jam's "Even-Flow," Green Day's "Basket Case," REM's "The One I Love", and this one, Soundgarden's "Black Hole Sun." We're hoping to have the "Moog Cookbook" masterminds playing live on "The Week In Rock" this weekend, so do tune in. - ------------------------------------------------------------ Green Day and SG are being put together on one album? What's the world coming to? Oh yah, this was in there, too... - ------------------------------------------------------------ Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Pete Droge, and Presidents Of The United States Of America are among the people donating money to Idaho's Nez Perce Indians, to help them buy back tribal artifacts from the Ohio Historical Society, by June 1st. The tribe has already raised some 500,000 of the 608,000 dollars needed to buy back a collection of 150-year-old hide shirts, dresses, saddles, moccasins, and other items the tribe had sold to a missionary back in the 1840s, for 57 dollars and 90 cents, now the minimum amount the tribe is asking patrons to donate. The collection was eventually donated to Ohio's Oberlin college, which in turn donated it to the Ohio Historical Society, which has loaned it out to the Nez Perce tribe for the past 15 years. Two years ago, however, the society asked for the collection back, and the tribe began negotiating to buy it. The society set its June 1st deadline last December. In addition to donations, a number of local bands are planning to play a benefit concert for the Nez Perce cause on May 25th, at Pioneer Park in Lewiston. For more information about the Nez Perce Indians, you can call (1-800-641-7819) write to this e-mail address: thudson@moscow.com, or this e-mail site: www.vidaho.edu/nezperce. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Awww... they're so sweet... caring 'bout us native americans. I wonder if I told them that I was a quarter registered indian (Chippewa) they'd let me touch Chris again. Heheheheh... I doubt it. I can't wait for that online interview!! I've already got like 10 questions written out. Just think people... this is your chance to have SG read something YOU wrote!! We should bug them to check out the list. Heheheh... they're going to be SO annoyed with me by the end of the interview... The questions I'm asking are SO bad. I live to torment... Shroomy "Hey Shroom girl... can I rub your back for you? Please?" ~ Chris Cornell (Words not necessarily said in that order...) <~~~ my disclaimer ------------------------------ From: Eric Gardner Subject: Rockline broadcast I finally listened to the my tape of the show and I am curious about the ending. On my tape, after they take a question from "Julie", the host says something like "...thanks for the question, we are going to pause and come back to wrap it up." But they never do, instead the next Rockline segment (7Mary3) comes on after a couple commercials. Someone wanna tell me how much I missed? Eric ------------------------------ From: bruce.coyle@unn.ac.uk Subject: promo night in newcastle(uk) yeah there's a promo night at the newcastle mayfair tommorrow(17th) starts about 9.pm.Loads of stuff to give away including 4 track album promos i think there will also be a playback of the album??? bruce(bruce coyle@unn.ac.uk) bye for now ------------------------------ From: mmholliday@attmail.com (Michael M Holliday) Subject: Good God! Sitting here clutching my drumsticks, trying to figure out what the hell Matt is playing on Never the Machine Forever. God, he must have three or four arms! This makes JCP look easy. Must...listen...again... Javdoctor ------------------------------ From: Eric Gardner Subject: DotU & the Wooden BMF I flaked out of my ride (bicycle) home tonight, thanks to heavy winds and rain, and instead drove (after bribing my wife to come and get me) by a few local music stores. Between the two Tower stores we went to, I counted 17 copies of the vinyl DotU. Two other independent stores were cd-only, but one yielded up the PN red-box single. The last stop, an independent new/used vinyl/cd place, had 7 vinyl DotU's on display w/ more (claimed) in the back. I also spied 2 of the Limited BMF wooden box releases at one Tower. The same Tower had a couple of these a while back (I bought and returned one so that I could report on its contents to our discography keeper) and, while my memory is not that great, one of the two looked very familiar. It was shrinkwrapped with the label stating that it was limited to 1000 copies worldwide loose inside the shrinkwrap. I wonder if they never sold these and just dragged them out again because DotU was about to be released. $80 for BMF (no SOMMS, no extra anything) in a fancy package seems *only mildly*:) excessive. Eric ------------------------------ From: "Limo Wrecker" <9551219@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Subject: Anyone Listenin'? Does anyone know when and if Soundgarden are coming over to Britain for a few gigs? The thing is that Chris Cornell was quoted as saying that they wouldn't be coming over bearing in mind the Brits obsession with oasis etc, and would wait and see how well DOTU would do. Well, I think having Pretty Noose at No. 13 in the main charts is a pretty good indication that not everyone has forgotten them over here. By the way, last year I designed a Soungarden Cover for an art design project and I labelled it "Garden of Sounds" (not to sound too bigheaded, but I got an A for it). It shows a guitar fretboard amongst flowers and plants an' stuff. Well, the point is that I was going to get it printed out onto a tee-shirt as a one off, only I think it would be a good idea to print a few and sell them to fellow SOMMS users. That might be a bit difficult to do but it would be pretty cool. We'll see! By the way, just as a point of discussion, if you had to pick 20 soundgarden tunes to put on a Greatest Hits albumn, what would they be? Cheers and beers, Andrew Clarke. @@@@@@LIMO WRECKER@@@@@@ ------------------------------ From: 9551219@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK Subject: argh What the hell got up Johnny Cigarette's nose eh? What a twat! Remind me never to read New Music ever ever ever!!!! Cheers And Beers, Andrew C ------------------------------ From: Stuart Davies Subject: defence of nme! i just scanned nme and melody maker today and can understand why you are all annoyed at the album review but this is just the old we did not really pick an appropriate reviewer he seemed to think they represented the worse of heavy metal and grunge which he did not seem to like anyway. however there was an article on sg in the same issue which seemed to be favourable and in nme tradition articles are written by appropriate jouranalists this has happened extremely often i have seen articles basically saying brilliant album from x and in the reviews x's new album scores 1 or 2 and is slated. melody maker had a review in which it was highly recommended but the reviewer did seem to be an sg fan who was slightly mourning what they had become Stuart Davies ------------------------------ From: "GREGORY J. THOMSON" Subject: DOTU Quotes. To the Black hole Sons, Forget about being Down on the Upside: I'm already there. Well, I'm actually Down Under. That is, I'm Australian. Anyway, just thought I'd intro myself to ya'all and send a write up I've got on comment from the Boys on their latest album. Chris Cornell describes the musical growth of Soundgarden thus: "I think it's down to a process of metamorphisis of four different writers continually putting the music in the pot. Everybody changes a little bit, you know, as do their influences at the time, and it mutates the band pretty heavily." (Chris Cornell) "Year by year and record by record, we have gone through this process of trying to dial into what we want to hear ourselves sound like at that moment." (Chris Cornell) Specifically, and in relation to the sound's of 'Down on the Upside': "The roughness wasn't a point of making a dirtier, more street version of what we usually do. It's about getting more accurate with recording." (Chris Cornell) "This time we kept it from moving into 'over-dub' central. We did everthing short of making it live." (Kim Thayil) Appelbite-"Some piano and there's some little bits of trinkets and whatnot of percussion and things that we've probably never used before. We did a lot of varied trips with amplification and a lot with vocals. I don't think there's many, maybe two or three songs, where the vocals aren't being sang straight into a normal microphone, the normal way. We did a lot of strange stuff that way that we've never done before." (Kim) "I sometimes percieve the record as having a dual nature. It keeps listeners on their toes and lets them know they're not getting the same album over and over." (Kim) Well, enjoy! - -GREG THOMSON. (THOMO) ------------------------------ From: champagne.supernova@thenexus.com Subject: btw... This is relevant to the list, really it is. :) Anyway, just thought that you might like to know Burden In My Hand is now getting airplay - I always like to know if the radio stations are playing Soundgarden. I heard it last night, I guess they played it for the first time on Tuesday. Also Z-Rock is giving away copies of DOTU - if you hear a song from it and are the 25th caller (i think this goes on yesterday and today) you win a copy of DOTU on cd. I'd call but it'd take them longer to send it to me than it would if I waited til Tuesday and bought it then. Besides, the place I was going to buy it from needs my business - I have to go there, they sold me DOTU vinyl four days early, I owe them at least that much. :) Champagne. (Kevin Champagne's Presidential Campaign Advisor) ------------------------------ Subject: Re: defence of nme! From: "Matthew Lawrence" > > i just scanned nme and melody maker today and can understand why you are > all annoyed at the album review but this is just the old we did not > really pick an appropriate reviewer he seemed to think they represented > the worse of heavy metal and grunge which he did not seem to like anyway. > That seems to be one of the biggest problems with the NME, they continuously slate bands which the reviewers don't like.. They criticised Soundgarden at Reading for being American and for not being Britpop, basically. The NME only caters for one set of opinions, they are highly unlikely to ever hire anyone who would give a fair review of anything that's not Britpop.. Have you ever read some of the reviews they do for Britpop bands, deifying the fuck out of them, trying to turn them inot legends... Needless to say, I have long since given up reading the NME.. I recommend everyone on this list to do the same. Matt ------------------------------ From: Stuart Davies Subject: Re: defence of nme! In fairness although I ignore the reviews as often they are not worth the paper they are printed on. I find the articles extremely good partly because they usually get somebody with some interest in the band Stuart Davies On Thu, 16 May 1996, Matthew Lawrence wrote: > > > > i just scanned nme and melody maker today and can understand why you are > > all annoyed at the album review but this is just the old we did not > > really pick an appropriate reviewer he seemed to think they represented > > the worse of heavy metal and grunge which he did not seem to like anyway. > > > That seems to be one of the biggest problems with the NME, they continuously > slate bands which the reviewers don't like.. They criticised Soundgarden at > Reading for being American and for not being Britpop, basically. The NME only > caters for one set of opinions, they are highly unlikely to ever hire anyone > who would give a fair review of anything that's not Britpop.. Have you ever > read some of the reviews they do for Britpop bands, deifying the fuck out of > them, trying to turn them inot legends... Needless to say, I have long since > given up reading the NME.. I recommend everyone on this list to do the same. > > > Matt > ------------------------------ Subject: At Last! From: Brydon Cheyney CS95 At last I've heard some of the new stuff! I was at the listening party in Glasgow last night, where they played the whole album, and I was not disappointed! I think I'm the last member of this list to state that claim, and the last to hear the album. Oh, well. I'm going to go down to see if anywhere in Glasgow has the vinyl, which I doubt, from reports of it's scarcity. By the way, Seth - those clear vinyl editions are to be sold in independant stores ONLY, as far as I know. This was mentioned last night. I think. I did drink a lot so it may have come from elsewhere... There was competitions, and for the first time in my life I won something! The first prize was a gold disk for DOTU (which of course, isn't available yet), which I duly missed out on as I expected. The draw for second prize came up and it was my number - 130. Holy shit! I won a copy of the single (which I already have of course), a promo package with the poster from the single, postcards, a bio etc, a fucking cool T-shirt, black with Soungarden and Down On The Upside written in yellow print on the front and back, and the biggy - a Chris Cornell autographed dollar bill!!!!!!!!!!!! which is a bit pointless for me as I live in Scotland and can't even spend it! Sheesh, at least I could use a pound note ;-) I have to pick it up next week, I think I'll have it framed ;-) fuck know's what to do with it, I'm not big on autographs - it's only someones name, it doesn't really hold much mystery to me. But it's cool to have I suppose. I think I'd prefer to be there when he signs it! Cheers, BC ------------------------------ From: "Limo Wrecker" <9551219@EIGG.SMS.ED.AC.UK> Subject: Re: defence of nme! I whole hartedly agree on your opinions of NME. It's bloody bollocks. (Scottish term) Anyway, just to be totally un soundgarden like and un interesting I have some bad news for Manchester United haters (American list users need not be bothered) Apparently Alan "God" Shearer might be signing for a record 12million quid!!! FUCK!! Sorry, but this is important to me Cheers and beers, Andrew C ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: pumpkins vs. sg no matter what... when the pumpkins played seattle, and their equipment was stuck down south because of the floods, SG was one of three bands (PJ and AIC being the other two) who (gladly) loaned them equipment... it was definitely ben's bass... and one of matt's old drumkits. it's real easy to rank on the pumpkins. whatever. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: "Mercyhurst Prep Library" Subject: Re: What does it mean "J" ? ? ? On 16 May 96 at 7:32, Robin Brookeneck wrote: > Hey ! > > Does anybody knows which name match with the J of Chris ? > > I read the history of the band in a lot of pages (Seth's page, of course)and > nobody wrote down the complete name, also the names of the rest of the boys > (you know) > > Kim A. Thayil > Matthew D. Cameron > Christopher J. Cornell > Well Benedict Shepherd doesn't appear here but, if you know that he have a > sencond name, just let me know. > > thanks. > > ROBIN > > LovE iS LIke SuicIDE > > Robin and anyone else who might want to know...It's Christopher John Cornell. Does anyone know what the A. stands for inMr. Thayil's name? When we met them in 94 I asked him and he said "I'm not telling, you have to find that out for yourself...and when you do I'll teach you how to pronounce it." Wonder if Gilbert would fess up if I bought him a beer or 10? later.....deb /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Mercyhurst Preparatory School Keeping you connected in 1995! /\/\/\/\/\(C)1995TMK/\/\/\/\/\/\ ------------------------------ From: "Audrey L. Hillyard" Subject: Lolla Tickets From: Greg Bensimon Subject: Lolla Tickets Well, I am now the proud owner of four tickets to the Charleston, WV show, courtesy of the $176 bucks I gave TicketMassah. I can't believe it, ** $5.25 ** service charge PER TICKET! That's right, pay the bums $5.25 per ticket so they can take your order over the Internet. Pardon my french people, but that's a fucking crock! I can't believe I just paid $21 for a process that required no human intervention... Anyway, that being said, this was a hell of a lot easier than camping out Friday night. So, I'll be at Charlestown. Anyone else??? TicketMaster does suck...I should be at Charlestown to cover GVSB (if they're still on at that point), but I'll definitley head for the main stage in time for the best act of all. On another note, did any of you who have the PN cd single notice the error in the PN lyrics? It says something like: Eat the fruit And kiss the fruit And kiss the snake goodnight Kinda strange, eh? ------------------------------ From: andreap@kidstar.com (Andrea Pinto) Subject: Re: What does it mean "J"? Benedict is his middle name,at the moment I don't remember what his first name is. due to lack of sleep which I've been doing a lot lately. Gonzo - ------------------------ I think i read someplace that his first name is "Hunter". ------------------------------ From: Gonzo Subject: Re: What does it mean "J" ? ? ? At 07:32 AM 5/16/96 +0600, you wrote: >Hey ! >Well Benedict Shepherd doesn't appear here but, if you know that he have a >sencond name, just let me know. Benedict is his middle name,at the moment I don't remember what his first name is. due to lack of sleep which I've been doing a lot lately. Gonzo ------------------------------ Subject: Re: What does it mean "J" ? ? ? From: Ben Timberlake >>Hey ! > >>Well Benedict Shepherd doesn't appear here but, if you know that he have a >>sencond name, just let me know. >Benedict is his middle name,at the moment I don't remember what his first >name is. >due to lack of sleep which I've been doing a lot lately. >Gonzo Ben's first name is Hunter. But with "Ben" anywhere in your name, how could you go by anything else? - Ben Ben Timberlake "The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est, Northwestern University Pro patria mori." Medill School of Journalism -- Wilfred Owen btimlake@nwu.edu -30- *Check out my dorm's web page!* http://www.stuaff.nwu.edu/crc/ "Put that bloody cigarette out!" --Saki's last words in the trenches of WWI ------------------------------ Subject: Awwwwww Yeah From: Ben Timberlake "Ask and Ye shall receive," the good book says. Two days after asking the gathered participants on #somms, "what's a digipack?" I receive my promo copy of DOTU in the mail. Guess what? It's a digipack. It doesn't even have any of that "for promotional use" crap on it anywhere. I bet the digipacks will be in some stores, but if you want to guarantee you'll get a copy, I would talk to some small periodical that carries music reviews and tell them you're writing the review of the new Soundgarden album. I knew this was why I want to be a journalist: free shit (and beer!). Ben Timberlake "The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est, Northwestern University Pro patria mori." Medill School of Journalism -- Wilfred Owen btimlake@nwu.edu -30- *Check out my dorm's web page!* http://www.stuaff.nwu.edu/crc/ "Put that bloody cigarette out!" --Saki's last words in the trenches of WWI ------------------------------ From: dao5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Thanks Guys Sommites, Today whilst I was at work I deceided to give my local cd store another call and see if they had got the vinyl like they said they would. Guess what THEY HAD IT!!!!!!!!!!! sorry about the shouting :) anyway they just got it in late. Thanks alot guys for all the responses I got, it's nice to know you have friends, when your freaking out over lack of sg. Clown ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: An open letter to Johnny Cigarettes People, lighten the fuck up! :-) This is so funny! The man without question doesn't know what he's talking about. He's just trying to sell papers. >DOWN ON THE UPSIDE >by Johnny Cigarettes nice name :-) wanker! :-) >When their children ask what they did in the grunge cred wars of the early '90s, um, it wasn't grunge...it was indie cred wars. Credibility is everything to the indie rock movement. Look how fast Green Day were labeled sell outs (whether they deserved it or not). Jesus Christ, look what happened to Jello Biafra! The indie community labeled him! a sellout! For the uninformed; Jello Biafra was the former leader of the Dead Kennedy's. (Corporate Deathburger!) Some indie kids also beat him into a coma because they thought he was a sell out! There is a huge difference! The indie rock group (sonic youth and their minions) pretty much hate the grunge brigade because they got all the pub and the dough. Which is sorta strange because "N" being an indie pop group where labeled grunge. >Soundgarden will claim that they were conscientious objectors. nope, they were not shallow enough to get involved. >In truth though, they spent those years with their heads ducked behind Pearl Jam, If you recall, before their was a Pearl Jam, there was a Soundgarden. And even before there was a Pearl Jam their was a collaboration by the name of Temple of the Dog. > Stone Temple Pilots Oh! Take that back! Stone Tempah Peirogis. NEVER! doesn't Stone Tempah Peirogis sound like some food stand at the state fair? Like it should be set up right next to the crack stand. >Arse In Chains neat! I like the spelling. > and several hundred Tools, Wools, Pools, Plods and Podgegrinders, never heard of them. I think what mr. cigarettes is trying to say is SG was never a singles band. The other groups were. That did change with superunknown. As those of you with 6 :-) different version of FoBD can attest. >dodging the kind of flak from 'corporate roc'-spitting purists that fatally stigmatised so many. But shitty bands like Stone Tempah Peirogis, Bush and Silverchair deserve it! Being corporate creations with no intention of making good music. They were *only* in it only for the money....In silverchair's case, not their own, but there parents and record company. >Piece of piss, hey j...here's one for your page. Would this piece be a solid? Is there a piss pie? someone from the UK, help me out. >since they'd been around a couple of years longer >than the rest, had the stamp of approval by formerly being on Sub Pop, >and didn't sell too many records to be fashionable. wasn't....the N word on Sub Pop? How many copies did ...N.... oh well, whatever, nevermind. >And yet, Soundgarden were probably never truly grunge. nope. The only true (music and style) grunge band was mudhoney, tad and maybe the fluid. Soundgarden's only crime was being from Seattle. And liking those great goth bands of the early/mid 80's. >They tried, and are still trying, damn hard to be grunge; grunge is dead. The media created it...labeled it the new god...then discarded it like today's trash. A movie such as HYPE! can't even get a distribution deal! The media is saying the seattle scene is old and boring and not worthy of their commercial exploitation! Jesus Christ, it's only been 4.5 years since the N word released that album. >to endorse its style, attitudes and hip currency, um, since they were around when this 'hip'ness was being created...don't you think they'd be allowed to show what they added to it? >while lacking the character, you shouldnt say this if you cant back it up. >visceral impact and see above. >emotional depth SG's music is very emotional. I would compare it to 'soul' music. >that originally marked out the genre. Oh yes. they are one of the originators. Bad argument. >See, if the central characteristics of the grunge attitude were >schizophrenic self-loathing, angst-laden self-pity and bored nihilism, nope...it was lyrics that spoke to a generation. It was guitars cranked up to 11. It was...our fucking movement god damn it! It wasn't a fucking baby boomer creation! It was a musical rebellion to the fluff being handed to us by radio and MTV (which continues). It basically said the fucking world wasn't a shiney happy movement. We were fucking sick of being happy. Of being told to only look at the bright side while the world around us was crumbling. A rather large segment of the US population was feeling this way. Hey 5,000,000 Nirvana fans cant be wrong. >then Soundgarden, on the evidence of 'Down On The Upside' at least, >are fake grunge, They were never grunge to begin with. At least musically. >played by a competent, but unremarkable heavy rock band. oh my god! a prop! "unremarkable"? Hey you shouldnt say that. They are starting to sound like the beatles. Which is what the entire brit-pop movement is based on (can you say oasis and blur). >Throughout this record the mood of dark, demon-wrestling introspection continually rings hollow. This is the writers style. Would you say the same about Edgar Allen Poe? Was he selling out because he wrote morbid, dark stories? >From the abstract torture imagery of the opening single, "Pretty Noose", hehe...he must of seen the US video :-) Kozik is a God! :-) to the fifth-form sulk sentiments of 'Blow Up The Outside World' ("Nothing >seems to kill me, no matter how hard I try" - try a shotgun, you dick), witty. really....I'm surprised he didn't mention which side of his head he wants blown off. >it's all adolescent fantasies of angst, I'll almost agree to this. > where in fact they >don't know the meaning of the word. you have to be 'dead' to really know, right? >They're essentially bread-and-butter rockers, you just described van halen! brilliant word play. but prove some kind of '4 Real' point in a >genre where you are only as great an artist if you're a 'f---ed up' artist, there are no normal artists. Ned Flanders just doesn't exist in my world... they're desperate to create some kind of existential void >to inhabit. huh? >But the lack of gut-level resonance they create reveals all this as mere >dark stylistics, so this is where english lit majors end up when they cant get a book deal :-) >the modern equivalent of a scary monster on an Iron-Maiden T-shirt. or a tshirt with a picture of a fork on it. >For a start, Chris Cornell's generic, this is your worst argument. CC's voice is SG. No offence to every other members talents. > Vedder-esque deep-voiced whine just leaves you cold, who came first, Vedder or Cornell? Or better yet, Daltry or Plant. Both very different singers. >betraying little real emotion behind >the classy Marlboro metal croak. marlboro metal croak...nice, I like that one. >Meanwhile there's the 65 minutes of intense, often turgid rock stodge to plough through. The emotion in CC's voice carries this album..some of the music is 70's rock by numbers. Some of it is brilliant. >It's all superficially well-crafted, a polished-mud sound decorated >with such questionable affections as a mandolin (on a thrash >metal track?, are you sure, sir?), Zep-esque folk tinges, and even a Moog at one point. the mandolin(banjo?) works well. The rest of his statement...Is almost truthful. Though superficial isn't a word I'd use. >When Soundgarden get experimental on us, they can be fleetingly engaging, >as on the Baby Bird (!) style lo-fi of 'Applebite', baby bird? Is this a UK group or expression? >and the Stipean surrealism of 'Switch Opens'. nope...that would be lennon surrealism. If only you knew this album was a little brit pop..you might of enjoyed it more. >And they can touch your heart when they sing from theirs, as on the atmospheric >'Tighter and Tighter', YES! It's a *LOVE* song... Oh yeah, it does remind me of Blind Dogs crossed with Slaves and Bulldozers. >or the sharply poetic, anti-love song 'Burden In My Hand'. this is a great description of this song. Elsewise, though, the tunes are workmanlike >and unmemorable, disappointed there's no black hole sun, eh? >the sentiments shallow, nope...I disagree. You've just described Bush and STP very well though. and after 65 long minutes the overall feeling is like having waded through an ocean of >porridge. With no sugar. yeah, there's no def leppard sugar coated pop gloss on this album. >This may well sell by the boatload across the globe, of course, and dare I say in the UK too... but for most sharp British kiddies with a heavy heart, a sensitive >soul and half a bullshit detector in their heads, the brit poppers!!! Hey Lennon is dead! Find a new style to assimilate into the next big thing. >Soundgarden will say nothing to you about your life. Or theirs, come to that. (3) and after reading your review...you say nothing of any value either...did you help sell magazines? That's all that matters. Sleep tight for me...I'm gone, Steve - - srussell@epix.net - - http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~swr (now listed in Yahoo!) - - SG Web Alliance - - "I'm looking California...and feeling Chautauqua" ------------------------------ From: champagne.supernova@thenexus.com Subject: Ah ha! - -- [ From: Soundgarden * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- There were 10,000 copies of Down On The Upside printed in the US. KOTS ____________________________________________________________________________ Pee-hat, I love answers :) I wonder how many were printed worldwide.. bah... Champagne. ------------------------------ From: SonikDeth6@aol.com Subject: SG rareties list a couple of days ago i offeres to trade rareties/bootlegs with others. instead of answering e-mail individually(sorry, i got a lot) i will just post a list of all the b-sides/non-almbum track i have. i think i have them all except for a song on a sub-pop comp. well here is the list toy box/heretic/come together/fresh deadly roses/big dumb sex(new version)/into the void(sealth)/girl u want/stray cat blues/she's a politicain/i can't give you anything/slave + bulldozers(live)/homocidal suicidal/i don't care about you/can you see me/big bottom(live)/earache my eye(live)/touch me/cold bitch/exit stonehendge/spoonman(remix)/birth ritual(demo version)/my wave(live)/like suicide(acoustic)/kickstand(live)/motorcycle loop(short version)/kyle petty,son of richard/feel on black days(demo + video versions)/she likes suprises/jerru garcia's finger/blind dogs/hiv baby/show me/seasons/bitrh ritual/hey baby(land of the new rising son) i also have two boot legs-lollapalooza 92-phoenix,AZ w/ cop killer and Noise Is the Perfect Word-BMF tour in Europe what do i want in return? anything rare by SG as well as any rareties/bootlegs y the following bans:alice in chains,alien sex fiend,bad religion,bauhaus,beastie boys,butthole surfers,the cranes,the cure,download,future sounds of london,haujobb,hendrix,hole,jane's addiction,jesus and mary chain,joy division,killing joke,legendary pink dots,love and rockets,meat beat manifesto,my bloddy valentine,ministry,NIN, nirvana,pigface,pearl jam,pixies,pop will eat itself,mephisto walz,prince,psychic tv,rage against the machine,RHCP,siouxsie and the banshees,the orb,sisters of mercy,skinny puppy,SONIC YOUTH,swans,ween,white xombie,x marks the pedwalk, and the young gods. so if you have anything rare by the above bands(i know it is a long list, but i like a lot of different stuff) let me know and we will wrok out a trade. email me at sonikdeth6@aol.com ------------------------------ From: GeekGirl@aol.com Subject: stuff Hey sommsters... Well I am also a proud owner of DOTU on vinly.I bought it last night at Spin records( in Carlsbad) they only had one copy left! but I did call around to other stores and the only other record store that said that they had it was Lou's( in luecadia). They told me that they had "plenty left". I guess there is'nt many FANS in San Diego as I thought there were.pity! I have'nt listened to it though> I don't have a turntable.I'll just have to wait until the 21st..( good things come to those who wait. Is'nt that how that stupid saying goes?)I don't want to wait!I want it now! I just thought I would throw this out to everyone......... Does anyone have ULTRA MEGA OK on vinly? if you do you might know what I am talking about if you don't well it's justa trivia bit! etched into the vinly in small letters very close to the label is a saying on both sides. It reads: A religous man might think were evil (side 1) A rational man might think were religous ( side 2) well that's it for now! Geek Girl ------------------------------ From: overfloater@bbs.cowland.com Subject: - -- [ From: Soundgarden * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- There were 10,000 copies of DOTU printed on black vinyl in the US. No colored vinyl will be available besides a red 7" single of "pretty Noose" /w "Jerry Garcia's" finger released in the UK only. Thanks for writing KOTS - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I also wrote asking about colored vinyl and this is the response I got. Hope that answers everyones questions :) Champagne. ------------------------------ From: Jerry Chang Subject: CD SINGLES Ok, I saw two different pretty noose CD singles at the store today... so I bought both :) anyone, one of them only has two tracks, PN itself and Jerry Garcia's finger. While the other one (with a case) has 4, including an interview... what's the story on this? Sorry if this has been asked before... ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Fucking Video RC>CH>Just out of curiosity, out of everyone who already has DOTU, who else RC>CH>has been listening to it OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER CH>agai RC>I'm guilty. RC> Nothingman RC> -And I haven't seen the fucking video yet, either. WOO HOO! I FINALLY SAW IT!!! It was right after my last final today (one more on Monday...AAAAHHHHH!!!). I was determined that I wasn't gonna leave the TV until I saw it. And then it came on. I was kinda disappointed, though. But it's still a great video. I just didn't like the way the whole beginning had the "ghost" images of whatever was going on over top of the stuff. But then it got better at the end. It was kinda funny that the Soundgarden video is censored, because I saw the new George Micheal video before it, and it had half naked ladies, and guys kissing and it was all gross. But anyway, I'm relieved now that I saw it, and all in all, I hope I see it a few more times...tomorrow. Nothingman -All that writing and I didn't even say anything. ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: New vinyl (fwd) Hey, I emailed SGKOTS yesterday, asking about the number of DOTU vinyls produced and I got the following response. I guess the fact there are 10000 of them explains why there are several at mony stores. That's still a pretty low number. There are 10 times as many Somms discs. That's the word, Geoff - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 18:39:33 -0500 From: Soundgarden To: onefellswoop Subject: Re: New vinyl - -- [ From: Soundgarden * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- There were 10,000 copies of DOTU printed on black vinyl in the US. No colored vinyl will be available besides a red 7" single of "pretty Noose" /w "Jerry Garcia's" finger released in the UK only. Thanks for writing KOTS - -------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- Date: Wednesday, 15-May-96 07:54 PM From: onefellswoop \ Internet: (gkleemol@io.uwinnipeg.ca) To: Soundgarden \ Internet: (sgfc@speakeasy.org) Subject: New vinyl Exactly how limited is the Down on the Upside Vinyl? I have a copy on black vinyl. Are there other colours? Thanks in advance, Geoff - -------- REPLY, End of original message -------- ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: ??? SH>What the hell is this? I found it in the MTV News... SH>-------------------------------------------------------- SH>Speaking of Pearl Jam and Soundgarden, they're among the bands whose music i SH>run through a collection of vintage synthesizers on a new album called "The SH>Moog Cookbook", concocted by Roger Manning,... Yeah. This was on MTV news today (saw while waiting for vid...gotta love whole sentences) and they played the Black Hole Sun one. I couldn't even tell it was BHS until I heard the part that Chris usually sings. It reminds me of the midis I've heard of BHS. They might be on the album with Green Day, but they PLAYED the Soundgarden one. Maybe MTV has SOME sense left...no, wait, they had a whole half hour of Alanis Morissette just to premeire ONE new video of hers. What was there for Soundgarden? Maybe those stupid little lights. Damn... SH>------------------------------------------------------------ SH>Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Pete Droge, and Presidents Of The United States SH>America are among the people donating money to Idaho's Nez Perce Indians, This part was on MTV news, too, right after the Moog part. And look who they mentioned first. I think maybe the Pretty Noose has them by the Kickstand. Nothingman -So it doesn't make sense...shut up, I tried. ------------------------------ Subject: Burden in My Hand From: tonerkin@usa.pipeline.com (Tonerkin) On May 16, 1996 07:06:42, 'champagne.supernova@thenexus.com' wrote: >Anyway, just thought >that you might like to know Burden In My Hand is now getting airplay - I >always like to know if the radio stations are playing Soundgarden One of the stations here in Chicago is also playing Burden in My Hand. In fact the morning after the vinyl was released I was going to work at the ungodly hour of 5am!! And as soon as I got in the car and turned on the radio it was playing. Perked me right up(and that was before the Dunkin Donuts drive thru) I was so excited I thought I'm going to give them a call and let them know I appreciate them playing it! So I call the station tell the woman " thanks for playing new Soundgarden! " She was a little weird and finally just said" well Thanks for calling". After I hung up the phone I went to switch the radio and than realized I had called the wrong station!!!! Hello! Are we not awake or what!!! Thank God I didn't call the easy listening station!!! The DJ most likely thought I was a nut case that had been up all night! My turntable has not had much of a rest since last tuesday! Toni ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Wrong, dammit! AL>On another note, did any of you who have the PN cd single notice the AL>error in the PN lyrics? It says something like: AL>Eat the fruit AL>And kiss the fruit AL>And kiss the snake goodnight AL>Kinda strange, eh? There's an error in the notes on the vinyl, too. I was reading the lyrics, because I had nothing better to do while listening to the record...I couldn't jump and dance around like I normally would...it's a record for goodness sake, and if I scratched it, I would die, or at least scream. So anyway, I can't remember what song, because I played the record once (and recordred it), and then replaced it and haven't touched it since, in fear of hurting it in any way. So if anyone else finds it, tell me, so I know. Nothingman -I need some Iced Tea, along with sone Down on the Upside. ------------------------------ From: GeekGirl@aol.com Subject: Nudie bar? Thnrthface you made the comment " did you see the guys were at a nudie bar in the begining of the video" I belive that that's not a "nudie" bar but the OK Hotel in Seattle. I could be wrong though.... Seattle could be the only palce to hold such a convention... I could just see it now bus loads of people going to the soundgarden,,(oohs and ahhs from the crowd)chezzy tours of chris's birth place,homes of all the members,sites of clubs( that don't exist anymore) where soundgarden first played.the silver managment office and other note worthy spots to visit. all for now... Geek Girl hey shroom don't start any rumors! ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: More comments to Johnny Cigarettes SR>But shitty bands like Stone Tempah Peirogis, Bush and Silverchair deserve SR>it! Being corporate creations with no intention of making good music. They SR>were *only* in it only for the money....In silverchair's case, not their SR>own, but there parents and record company. I would have to disagree on the Silverchair thing. I mean, they're young (like me), and they have their heros(like me), and I think they did a pretty good job on their first (that I know of, anyway) album. They might need to grow a bit, but so did Soundgarden when they started. At least they have some talent, unlike some Green fucks which I won't mention. SR>grunge is dead. The media created it...labeled it the new god...then SR>discarded it like today's trash. A movie such as HYPE! can't even get a SR>distribution deal! The media is saying the seattle scene is old and boring SR>and not worthy of their commercial exploitation! Jesus Christ, it's only SR>been 4.5 years since the N word released that album. Amen. SR>"unremarkable"? Hey you shouldnt say that. They are starting to sound like SR>the beatles. Which is what the entire brit-pop movement is based on (can SR>you say oasis and blur). Well, if bands can sound as much like Soundgarden as Oasis sound like the Beatles, then it can't all be bad. It'll get annoying after a while, but you have to admit, some Soundgarden songs sound a LOT like the Beatles. Blow Up the Outside World, maybe? At least until it kicks in. SR>>the modern equivalent of a scary monster on an Iron-Maiden T-shirt. SR>or a tshirt with a picture of a fork on it. YES! And we will all have one soon, IF you sent the money in, that is. ;) SR>>For a start, Chris Cornell's generic, He didn't just cut on Chris.... SR>> Vedder-esque deep-voiced whine just leaves you cold, ...no, it's not happening... SR>>betraying little real emotion behind ...that's it. Where is he? I'm gonna show him what that shotgun will do. SR>>the classy Marlboro metal croak. I've never heard it put quite like that before. SR>the mandolin(banjo?) works well. I love this. It's one of my favorite parts of the album. SR>disappointed there's no black hole sun, eh? Boy I know I am. I was just as disappointed as when I got rid of the black licorise shits. Nothingman -Are you sure he wasn't Johnny Rotten ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: two side three labels? i wrote to the fan club and asked them about my record... actually, it's two side *four* labels, my friend who got one at the same time i did, same place, also has the same thing! did this happen to anyone else? anyone else in the seattle area maybe? other tower records on the west coast? (don't tell me you didn't notice) ;-) >To: caryn rose >Subject: Re: two side three labels? >Date: Thu, 16 May 96 17:56:18 -0500 >From: Soundgarden > >-- [ From: Soundgarden * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- > >It sounds like you have a collectable. Congratulations!! >KOTS >-------- REPLY, Original message follows -------- > >Date: Tuesday, 14-May-96 01:05 AM > >From: caryn rose \ Internet: (clr@nwlink.com) >To: Soundgarden \ Internet: (sgfc@speakeasy.org) > >Subject: two side three labels? > >greetings, > >I just (and i do mean just) purchased the vinyl tonight... and one record >has *two* side three labels... > >are they all that way, or do i have a collectible? > >also, i've heard that only 1500 LP's were made... surely it's 15,000? > >and finally -- months ago i mailed in $2 for hthe fan club (not realizing >that was for info only) and never received anything... can i send in $6 now >or do i have to send the whole $8? > >how nice to get all of one's questions out in one fell swoop > >thanks > >--caryn >* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * >http://www.nwlink.com/~clr : radio ethiopia **home of the unofficial bumrush >home page** owner of babel-list : the patti smith mailing list > > > >-------- REPLY, End of original message -------- > > > > ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 127] ****************************************