From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 13 May 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 02:00:00 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Monday, 13 May 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Let me drown... more PN stuff SG fonts and wallpaper Let me drown... bah. Re: Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 10 May 1996 Re: Let me drown... british see sense? PN single HEY, I think Much & PN Down on the Upside Re: new thread PN single? Re: SL/FOPP VS. UMOK Overanalysis Other so called 3-star albums only empty in your arms... just add it up to the hot rod death toll... I left her in the sand... Re: Let me drown... Helluva time... Isn't early vinyl a pretty thing? spoonman background Re: Let me drown... Pretty Noose tab... ------------------------------------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Let me drown... The other day, while thinking about the Soundgarden songs that describe me, I thought about Let Me Drown, and the meaning just hit me like hell. I've been wondering about the song forever, and finally, after two years, and almost another album, I realized. Now what did I realize you might ask yourself. Well, I think it's about suicide. Like he's holding a gun to his head, or standing on a building, thinking about killing himself, but kinda talking to himself, like the good side and the bad side. Not really a good and bad, but one side hurt the other, and now the one side wants to die because he feels so degraded, or something, by the other side, so the one side tells the other how he feels. And he talks about how pathetic he is. He says, "Stretch the bones over my skin, stretch the skin over my head, I'm going to the holy land." Hey, I don't wanna live, so just let me close my eyes and die, so I can go to a better place. Like he's frustrated with everything around him. Well, anyway, I had it all figured out a couple nights ago, but didn't have time to type it, and now I can't remember the words I was thinking. I hate that. Maybe someone gets what I'm saying (in my ever so pathetic way). I think someone already said something about suicide and this song, but it finally dawned on my hard-headed ass. Fuck you all ;) (now I have to hear Ty Cobb). Nothingman -Ok, now I'm confused. ------------------------------ From: Dan Murphy Subject: more PN stuff sommsters: no, i still haven't found somms, but i did happen to stumble upon the PN 7" with Jerry Garcia's Finger on the b-side. (boy, that sounds weird) anyway, glad to have found it, all by accident! i was looking at the wall where they keep all the new vinyl singles and rare crap, thinking to myself "you know, i shoulda bought that Flower colored vinyl here when they had it last year" when all of the sudden my eyes happen upon the PN single! so five bucks later, i own copy #2500 of 5000. now that i am done gloating, a question: does anyone know who might have a compilation of their vid's, esp with the unedited JCP? (and PN if possible!) also, is that seattle radio program going to be any different than the rockline show on monday night? standing by with blank tapes! dan, who just saw the PN video again 5 minutes ago danno@wood.net ------------------------------ From: rea49625@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu (Rebecca Agrait) Subject: SG fonts and wallpaper does anybody know where i can get any band-related fonts?? and is there any other wallpaper available other than the BMF wheel?? thanks! Hasswipee's Home Page http://pegasus.cc.ucf.edu/~rea49625/ Inspirational Quote "Oh, look at me, I'm way cool. I'm off with my way cool friends to sniff floor wax." -Brian Krakow ------------------------------ From: never.named@thenexus.com Subject: Let me drown... Let Me Drown's about dying, but according to Chris, it's about going back to the womb to die. I think I typed up the article he says it in for Seth's page.. It's RIP from April 1994 I believe. ------------------------------ From: champagne.supernova@thenexus.com Subject: bah. I changed my e-mail address again.. my humble apologies to nevernamed@aol.com for usign yer handle. And if you have no clue waht my e-mail address is, and you want to get a hold of me, try either foreshox@aol.com or overfloater@bbs.cowland.com.. those arent getting changed anytime soon :) And something relevant to Soundgarden, when do (did) Lolla tickets go on sale? I gotta get mine before they sell out :) - -Champagne. ------------------------------ From: Paul O'Neill Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 10 May 1996 In message <9605100642.AA00977@gaston.MIT.EDU>, somms@MIT.EDU wrote: >The Soundgarden song that sums up my life would have to be pretty much >Zero Chance. I mean, it's really depressing to think about it, but Hmmm, I've been reading a few of these threads about what SG song influences you etc..., and they all seem a tad morbid - personally I'm still waiting for a SG song that sums up my 'not-so-morbid' life. Maybe DOTU will solve this little problem for me. Regards. ------------------------------ From: Jennifer C Graham Subject: Re: Let me drown... I read an article once that said this song is about salmon and how they spend their whole life swimming upstream. If you want I can dig up the article. I can't remember the rest of it right now. Jenn On 12 May 1996 rc@gcc.cc.md.us wrote: > The other day, while thinking about the Soundgarden songs that describe > me, I thought about Let Me Drown, and the meaning just hit me like > hell. I've been wondering about the song forever, and finally, after > two years, and almost another album, I realized. Now what did I > realize you might ask yourself. Well, I think it's about suicide. > Like he's holding a gun to his head, or standing on a building, > thinking about killing himself, but kinda talking to himself, like the > good side and the bad side. Not really a good and bad, but one side > hurt the other, and now the one side wants to die because he feels so > degraded, or something, by the other side, so the one side tells the > other how he feels. And he talks about how pathetic he is. He says, > "Stretch the bones over my skin, stretch the skin over my head, I'm > going to the holy land." Hey, I don't wanna live, so just let me close > my eyes and die, so I can go to a better place. Like he's frustrated > with everything around him. Well, anyway, I had it all figured out a > couple nights ago, but didn't have time to type it, and now I can't > remember the words I was thinking. I hate that. Maybe someone gets > what I'm saying (in my ever so pathetic way). I think someone already > said something about suicide and this song, but it finally dawned on my > hard-headed ass. Fuck you all ;) (now I have to hear Ty Cobb). > > > Nothingman > > -Ok, now I'm confused. > ------------------------------ From: Stuart Davies Subject: british see sense? it is very odd but pretty noose is at 14 in uk chart and they said news of gigs coming soon Stuart Davies ------------------------------ From: "Jennifer L. Wilson" Subject: PN single Can someone please explain to me once and for all what the deal is with the PN single. I found 3 different versions: one from the UK w/just a white inside under the cd that says 1 of 2 cd set, then another one fr. the UK which is 2 of 2 and has the poster etc., also one from Germany which doesn't mention there being 2 cd's and has a color pic of the band on the inside. They all seem to have the same tracks. What is the difference? Is it just the packaging? Anyway, I am confused and would appreciate some clarity. Thanks, Jenn ------------------------------ From: GeekGirl@aol.com Subject: HEY, I think Hey! I hope I'm doing this right! I'm new! well I just have a couple of questions! 1. I just picked up the pretty noose single ( the red boxed one, the one that has the interview on it) and I noticed on it that it says part 2 of 2 cd set. what is one the first disk? can someone let me know. thanks! 2. I was wondering if there is gonna be a listening party in San Diego? I saw that nevernamed was asking about it and I was just wondering also.so if someone is gonna have one PLEASE let me know! okay well thats all for my gibberish....Geek. p.s. HI SHROOM! ------------------------------ From: James Ingram Subject: Much & PN WooWoo! As much as Much Music can suck, it's still pretty damned cool! Pretty Noose is unedited....*giggle* *gloat* As for JCP, I believe the version they play on Much is also unedited, but alas, I cannot confirm this. Aren't us Canucks so liberal? :) - James ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: Down on the Upside Hey list! Before the flames begin: IMHO, this album gets 9 out of 10 stars. I've listened to the new album 9 times since Thursday. In different places and states of conscienceness :-) The quick version of this post is...It's a great album and it's not worthy of some of your blind idol praise. There are great songs (Ty Cobb, No Attention, Tighter and Tighter, Dusty, Boot Camp, Never the Machine Forever) there are blatant Zeppelin/Beatles derivatives "Blow Up the Outside World", 60's psychedelic patches similar to Jefferson Airplane (Applebite) and there are also rock by number (which some of you will like) tunes such as (Rhinosaur, Never Named, An Unkind) and great tunes ready to be mass marketed to the MTV youth (Burden in My Hand, Zero Chance) There is no new ground being broke in this album. Yes they are using Moog's, but they just sounding like every other band that uses them. This is the warmest sounding SG album you'll probably ever hear because of some of the new instruments. Especially "Overfloater" which is also the most stoner friendly song SG has ever done. Someone in the band must be doing hash. There is NO noise. No JCP, No BTW. Those of you that thought that SG could never do an unplugged session will take that statement back after hearing this album. This album could of been made in 1977 and it would of fit right in. If you really want to know what the album sounds like...play Zeppelin's _Houses of the Holy_, Pink Floyd's _Wish You Were Here_ and Rod Stewart's _Every Picture Tells a Story_ at the same time. I bet you can find all 3 of those album by Kim's turntable. He's definitely been listening to them. It shows. Friday night I brought the album to my fave tavern and had my own SG listening party. The crowd consisted of mostly classic rock fans that have heard some new music...but basically just listen to the repetitive AOR fodder. The local radio station does play some new stuff...and everyone knew "Pretty Noose" (they were pretty indifferent to it). The mostly 30 something crowd LOVED Zero Chance, Dusty, Blow up The Outside World ("sounds a little like Stairway" :-) , Burden in My Hand ....and they really liked Tighter and Tighter. (weird). - --------------------------------------------- The players: Chris: great song writing as usual. A little too much filtering of his voice like John Lennon. Kim: Solid riffs. Matt: Brilliant as usual Ben: The unsung hero. The reason this album works. You can hear whatever experimentation that goes on through Ben. The banjo on Ty Cobb is brilliant...and it WORKS! He's nothing like John Paul Jones...but he contributes so much to this band in small yet major ways that he reminds me of him. - ---------------------------------------------- My biggest gripe with the album: The length of "Boot Camp". It's only 2:59. It could easily be 12:59! It's great....and I really, really hope they play it live...it would serve as a brilliant experimentation piece segueing into Slaves and Bulldozer's :-) I LOVE "Boot Camp". Can anyone figure out what's being said in the left speaker in the beginning? It sounds like a newscast...and I think I hear the words "Michael Jackson". I cant figure it out. Anyone? Oh if you're familar with Zeppelin's work....sing to yourself "Close the door and turn out the lights, you know they wont be home tonight" at the very beginning of "Boot Camp" :-) :-) - ------------------------------------------------ Coolest moment: (tie) the intro to "Ty Cobb" and the banjo playing in it... and the way Chris voice (scream) dissolves into white noise in "Boot Camp". Steve - - srussell@epix.net - - http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~swr (now listed in Yahoo!) - - SG Web Alliance - - "I'm looking California...and feeling Chautauqua" ------------------------------ From: Aleko Subject: Re: new thread On Wed, 8 May 1996, Fleur Weinstock wrote: Fell on Black Days (When depressed) The Day I Tried To Live (Most Days) Outshined (when i'm sober even though I'm Drinking, and I can't get any lower but still i feel I'm sinking) > On Wed, 8 May 1996 oponfam@cnsnet.com wrote: > > What Soundgarden songs tell the story of your life? Mine are: > > *Stray Cat Blues (teens and early 20's.) > > *Hunted Down (Drug induced paranoia, but some actual hairy stuff too) > > *Rusty Cage (deciding to break out of the rut and make some changes) > > *SuperUnknown (Having and raising kids - most days feel like this) > > Kathie > > mine: > ------------------Birth Ritual (birth!) > ------------------Pretty Noose (angst of teenage years) > ------------------Jesus Christ Pose (now: the incredibly percussive > quality of being alive and the great monster that is society) > ------------------Beyond the Wheel (i die!!) > > i think this is a really cool thread and i'm interested in hearing > everybody else's take on it! > > --yours, fleur de vie weinstock > "Happiness is not for us to find but for us to search for" ------------------------------ From: Aleko Subject: PN single? Whats on the US release in Australia we have Applebite (weird but good) An Unkind (fast kinda Ultramegaish even though i don't like that album this song is great) Interview (I think its Chris and Matt) Any other versions around the world with different B-sides is should have? PS I have Jerry Garcia's finger (i was very dissapointed) "Happiness is not for us to find but for us to search for" ------------------------------ From: Aleko Subject: Re: SL/FOPP VS. UMOK On Sat, 11 May 1996, Rebecca Agrait wrote: Personally i prefer SL/FOPP much more then ULtramega OK. > hi, sorry if i offend any of you SOMMSters or if i dont live up to your > standards but here i am. I am only 15 years old and dont have much money, i > get a measly-ass allowance and dont have that much money to buy CDs. I have > $30 saved up and $14 of those are already put away in the corner of my > wallet just waiting for the 24th of may. I currently have Superunknown, BMF, > and LTL. I havent heard many other soundgarden songs besides the ones on > those cds except for 'show me' on no alternative. I was wondering which SG > CD i should buy first, UM OK or SM/FOPP. i went to the shitty local record > store and those are the only two they have other than the ones i have. I've > heard entering and a snippet of nothing to say from encarta 95. i liked both > of those a lot especially entering. but i always hear ppl talking about > flower, nazi driver, and other songs of UM OK and i seldom hear talk about > screaming life/fopp so i was wondering which one you guys would reccomend i > get first, theyre both the same price btw. thanks a lot. > > p.s. am i the only one who doesnt like power trip? > > Hasswipee's Home Page > http://pegasus.cc.ucf.edu/~rea49625/ > > Inspirational Quote > "Oh, look at me, I'm way cool. I'm off with > my way cool friends to sniff floor wax." > -Brian Krakow > > "Happiness is not for us to find but for us to search for" ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: Overanalysis > I was at the Rochester, NY show and CC did say Mailman was about > killing your boss. Then again CC says a lot of stuff just to mess with > your head. I wonder if he thinks we are all idiots for over analyzing > their songs. > Mark > He probably doesn't think we're idiots, but he probably thinks some of us should take this stuff less seriously. I remember reading somewhere (I've been looking for this article but can't find it just now) that Chris feels funny about people who come up saying "I know just what you meant by that song" or "I feel the same way" because usually they don't have a clue. Really, how could you, unless you were in his head when he wrote it. Anyway, that's why I think we just need to accept each others interpretations as opinions and not fact (unless of course someone has a quote or something from the songwriter). And even then I'm sure Chris wouldn't mind that his songs touch us in different ways. ------------------------------ From: sean@ramoth.unl.edu (Sean McCarthy) Subject: Other so called 3-star albums Hey All- Being an avid Rolling Stone reader, and sometimes hating myself for it, a couple of 3 star albums come to mind when they first reviewed an album..mainly Nirnava-Nevermind Sonic Youth-Daydream Nation Both of these albums were initially perceived as 'good' and later, suddenly they were being lauded as masterpieces of their genre. While its way too early to classify 'Down' as a classic, I will wait and give my impression then :) My thoughts Laters Peace Sean ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: only empty in your arms... On Sat, 11 May 1996 never.named@thenexus.com wrote: > Rhinosaur: I like this song (duh). It RAWKS. I do like the solo, but > I guess I could see why Seth doesn't :) It's got a cool riff... since seth bagged it so completely last week (matt will never forgive you), I listened to rhinosaur twice last night, and I really don't think that it is that much of a hairfarmer sort of song. the riff is *really* cool imho. ben's bass tone sounds great, adn matt does this weird snare thing which kicks my ass :) having said that, the part where the riff speeds up does sound a little ugly. it sounds a bit like they were just putting a time change in there for the hell of it. better to stick with the verse riff :) > Tighter & Tighter: Another cool, heavy song. It's got a riff with > harmonics in it, a la Heretic and Limo Wreck. I like it. I like it a > lot, dammit. I put the headphones on for this one also :) this song absolutely kicks my butt, and will proceed to kick the whole list's collective butt! it's not quite the same as limo wreck, more of a blues progression, but it certainly is as intense. > Ok.. Well, all in all, if youre disappointed by this album, go to the > nearest fone, dial 911. Explain to them that you need THE MEN IN THE > WHITE COATS to take you to the SANNY-TARIUM because You are Sick In The > Head because You Don't Like The New Soundgarden Album. I love it. good call :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: just add it up to the hot rod death toll... On Sun, 12 May 1996, Steven Russell Jr. wrote: > Camp, Never the Machine Forever) there are blatant Zeppelin/Beatles > derivatives "Blow Up the Outside World", 60's psychedelic patches similar to I heard a lot of led zeppelin too steve, especially in songs like overfloater and rhinosaur. those riffs seem just like something that could have come off physical grafitti or houses of the holy. not that its a bad thing ;) > Kim: Solid riffs. kim is more than solid on dotu, he has totally found his perfect tone, and lays out some of the best licks that I have ever heard on a soundgarden record. I've listened to ntmf and ty cobb a couple more times, adn his use of quick overdubs and little fills that make the songs so much more dense and *alive* floors me. > Ben: The unsung hero. The reason this album works. You can hear whatever > experimentation that goes on through Ben. The banjo on Ty Cobb is > brilliant...and it WORKS! He's nothing like John Paul Jones...but he > contributes so much to this band in small yet major ways that he reminds me he won't be unsung for very long, at least not here :) his song writing has reached such a level that I think he is almost as good as chris. the tunes he has crafted for songs like zero chance (talk about atmosphere) and never named are sure to become soundgarden classics, long after they record their tenth album :) I am really impressed with his work, and his actual playing is beyond reproach. better than hiro (sadly) and jason put together, but then again I guess that is not saying much. > The length of "Boot Camp". It's only 2:59. It could easily be 12:59! It's > great....and I really, really hope they play it live...it would serve as a > I LOVE "Boot Camp". Can anyone figure out what's being said in the left > speaker in the beginning? It sounds like a newscast...and I think I hear I think it is some sort of address on the state of the american economy or something of that nature. maybe ross perot :) > Coolest moment: (tie) > the intro to "Ty Cobb" and the banjo playing in it... and the way Chris > voice (scream) dissolves into white noise in "Boot Camp". mine would be the computer-generated voice in the second verse of ty cobb, or the lead break of tighter and tighter. btw, if you listen *really* closely to the last verse of dusty, the left speaker has someone yelling out :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: I left her in the sand... for australian listers, the video for pretty noose premiered on recovery on saturday morning, channel 2. I was busy helping my girlfriend move house, but luckily my sister taped it for me. I won't say much on it, since many of us have already described it, but I just thought that kozik used a lot of bold colours in washes across the screen that looked cool. also, the switches from movie camera to camcorder were great. I like it more every time I watch it. are we sure the guy getting pulled over by the police is ben? btw, littlejoe just informed me that the european version (the band just playing pretty noose) aired on rage on friday night, so I guess we get both versions :) btw part II: skinnys in brisbane *is* doing something for the release on sunday midnight. they should be selling it for $25 as are hmv, and will probably be giving away a guitar and the whole soundgarden catalogue. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: Let me drown... JC>I read an article once that said this song is about salmon and how they JC>spend their whole life swimming upstream. If you want I can dig up the JC>article. I can't remember the rest of it right now. You know, I think Chris just throws out some stuff, and lets us decide. I've heard so much stuff from him in various articles and interviews about what songs mean, and sometimes they contradict each other. Maybe the meaning of a song depends on what mood he's in, or maybe he's just so sick of people asking him what songs are about. I dunno. Nothingman -It's about a frog who gets squashed by a car and comes back for revenge. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Helluva time... PO>Hmmm, I've been reading a few of these threads about what SG song PO>influences you etc..., and they all seem a tad morbid - personally I'm PO>still waiting for a SG song that sums up my 'not-so-morbid' life. How about Big Dumb Sex? Nothingman -Can't get any happier than that. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Isn't early vinyl a pretty thing? DA> I'm going to buy the record as a collectors item on DA>tuesday, but I don't have a record player :( I have a record player (and an eight track player...when's the release date for the eight track? ;) and I'm getting the record on Tuesday and I have no money, so I'll just have to pay the guy with a bullet to the head. Nothingman -Gotta fuckin' bullet in ya head! ------------------------------ From: SoundGrdn3@aol.com Subject: spoonman background I have been wondering for a really long time what Chris is saying at the end of "Spoonman". It's not listed on the insert, and I was just wondering if anyone knows... ------------------------------ From: Jennifer C Graham Subject: Re: Let me drown... > JC>I read an article once that said this song is about salmon and how they > JC>spend their whole life swimming upstream. If you want I can dig up the > JC>article. I can't remember the rest of it right now. > > You know, I think Chris just throws out some stuff, and lets us decide. > I've heard so much stuff from him in various articles and interviews > about what songs mean, and sometimes they contradict each other. Maybe > the meaning of a song depends on what mood he's in, or maybe he's just > so sick of people asking him what songs are about. I dunno. > > Nothingman I think it depends what mood he is in also. I have many meanings to many songs. Jenn ------------------------------ From: "Kyle Petty, Son of Richard" Subject: Pretty Noose tab... Hey fellas...! I made some minor corrections to my tab for pretty noose. The tunning is (low to high): CGDGBE not DGDGBE OOOOOPs!!! This tunning is better because now you can treat the chords as a "dropped D" AND the dropped C gives the first tone needed for the intro. Anyways...that's all. I'll be waiting until the 21st 'cause I don't have a turntable and I think I am the only guy in the whole Florida State that actually LOVES SG...bummer. But it's good to stand out and be sole fan...I wouldn't mind a private concert personally... =-) Peace! C-YA! -Damn! I wish I had as many witty remarks as the NM.. =-) ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 123] ****************************************