From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 9 May 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 01:52:06 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Thursday, 9 May 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: INDIANAPOLIS LOLLA TICKETS ON SALE Re: NORML table? Re: Video and stuff NORML Pretty Noose In Europe (the video) female singer to join soundgarden? 2 things about the new album. Movie Soundgarden double cd Re: 2 things about the new album. The Devil Inside Re: NORML Re: 2 things about the new album. Re: 2 things about the new album. Wednesday Digest RE: The Devil Inside Re: new thread Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 8 May 1996 Re: Wednesday Digest Thoughts and Comments female singer to join soundgarden? My words that don't live up... Damn video. Interpretations Thoughts and Comments I'm baaaaaaack.... ------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: INDIANAPOLIS LOLLA TICKETS ON SALE From: Ben Timberlake I don't know how many listers there are from Indiana, but the tickets for the Indianapolis Lollapalooza go on sale today (May 8th) at 10 a.m. To order online, go to http://www.ticketmaster.com/spotl/lolla/ I assume there's no rush since lolla probably won't sell out on the first day, but I thought I'd send this anyway. I wonder when the other tix will go on sale. -- Ben Ben Timberlake "The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est, Northwestern University Pro patria mori." Medill School of Journalism -- Wilfred Owen btimlake@nwu.edu -30- *Check out my dorm's web page!* http://www.stuaff.nwu.edu/crc/ Nothing looks more guilty than an unaccused man proclaiming his innocence. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ From: Jovica Popovic Subject: Re: NORML table? On Tue, 7 May 1996, Heather Aston wrote: > In the thread about SG and drugs, someone mentioned that they had a NORML > table at one of their shows. What is a NORML table? Is this something we all > learned about at school, and I was just absent that day? It's an organisation that supports the reform of Marijuana laws, in other words, the legalisation of it. I'm not quite sure what the acronym stands for... - --- jpop@fly.cc.fer.hr --- Sit back and watch my divine spark flash... -- jovica.popovic@fer.hr -- Disclaimer: I didn't do it, nobody saw me do - Jovica Popovic - it, can't prove anything! ------------------------------ From: sfox@mailer.fsu.edu (Stephen Fox) Subject: Re: Video and stuff >I saw the S logo. It was pretty cool. I like how the BMF logo came on and >then it faded into the S logo. Wonder why they did that..when was the last >time they used that logo anyways? >=97=97=97=97 >srogers@fix.net >http://www.geocities.com/tokyo/3923/ >now also at: http://members.tripod.com/~stellar > > > I saw Soundgarden open for Neil Young a few years ago in Jones Beach, NY, when he was backed by Booker T. & the MGs. They were selling black hats with the S-logo in purple on the front and "SOUNDGARDEN" written across the back. $20 later, one was mine. Great Big Noise, Stephen R. Fox sfox@mailer.fsu.edu ------------------------------ From: j_crocke@unity.ncsu.edu Subject: NORML stands for National Orginization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws. Not that i'm a member or even do drugs, i just know this jeremy ------------------------------ From: Joco Agostinho Subject: Pretty Noose In Europe (the video) To all soundgarden freaks (like me) in Europe that have MTV. Pretty Noose will be showed Thursday on Headbangers Ball 00:00 (CET). DONT MISS IT (i know i wont). And for those that already have the new PANTERA (it fuckin rules go and=20 buy it now) dont you think that the song "suicide note pt1" has a little=20 soundgarnesque touch there.Id love to hear some comments on this one=20 please. - --=20 "I don't run around trying to be what's not within me " - Jon Keep in touch! C-ya!! =20 =20 -------------------------------------------- | | | Por/By: Jo=E3o Agostinho | | E-MAIL: mailto:joao.alex@mail.telepac.pt | | E-MAIL: mailto:a10752@alunos.ualg.pt | | URL: http://www.geopages.com/paris/3276 | | | | Olh=E3o - Algarve - Portugal | | | -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Fleur Weinstock Subject: female singer to join soundgarden? hey, concerning that old thread about pairing a female voice with chris', what do you guys think of making it tracy bottom ("mother, mother"...), she's got a nice nasty attitude and a pretty good scream. listen hard, et cetera, love, \ fleur ------------------------------ From: "Kyle Petty, Son of Richard" Subject: 2 things about the new album. Today I went to the (presumably, the best around here) music store to check out the new Pantera and in the "new releases" list I saw 2 things: 1)The release date said MAY 14!!! Explanation??? 2)Apart from the DOTU release the list also had a collectors edition "special double LP" Explanations??? This means that there is going to be another "somms" kinda thing?? YES!! WAY COOL!!! Anyways, if anybody knows anything about this please let me know... thanx!! ------------------------------ From: ThNrthFace@aol.com Subject: Movie When I saw SG in Seattle at Memorial Stadium, they played a 10 minute movie at the end of their set. Exerpts from the movie later became parts of the Fell on Black Days video. I was wondering if they played this at any other shows (they didn't play it at the first show of '94 in Bremerton). And also if the movie is available anywhere. Thanks, Aaron K. ThNrthFace@aol.com ------------------------------ From: Eileen Subject: Soundgarden double cd First, I would like to introduce myself to all you SOMMSTER'S out in Soundgarden land, my name is Eileen. I have just been added to the SOMMS mailing list. SG is my FAVORITE band, and I have been a huge fan since '89. Anyway, with regards to an email that was sent from a person on this list (sorry, I don't know the name of the sender, I have already deleted that email) -- this person had mentioned that she received the double CD boxed Soundgarden album for her birthday that included both Badmotorfinger and Loud Love. I myself own the copy of the double cd which includes BadMotorfinger & Superunknown. I have never seen this double cd (BMF & LL), is this a mis type( perhaps you got the two albums wrong??) or does this double cd really exists???? Does anybody out there know??!! If so, PLEASE let me know!! Thanks, Eileen :-) ps. Hi Yoli ------------------------------ From: alisa brozena Subject: Re: 2 things about the new album. Appearntly they decided to put us out of our misery and move the date up. ------------------------------ Subject: The Devil Inside From: tonerkin@usa.pipeline.com (Tonerkin) Does anyone else think that they must of borrowed the woman's devil horns (in Pretty Noose) from the same prop department that Angus Young used for the cover of AC/DC's "Highway to Hell"????? I know none of you will fess up to liking AC/DC. I have the vinyl somewhere I'll admit it!!! Toni ------------------------------ From: stella rogers Subject: Re: NORML At 11:01 AM 5/8/96 -0400, you wrote: >stands for National Orginization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws. Not=20 >that i'm a member or even do drugs, i just know this > >jeremy > > > See I knew it had something to do with Marijuana. Now the LP is coming out on the 14th righ? and the CD on the 21st? =97=97=97=97 srogers@fix.net http://www.geocities.com/tokyo/3923/ now also at: http://members.tripod.com/~stellar ------------------------------ Subject: Re: 2 things about the new album. From: seth > Appearntly they decided to put us out of our misery and move the date up. Whoa, whoa, whoa, nobody's changed any dates. The vinyl is officially coming out on May 14, just as it has been scheduled for months. When the vinyl is released, that means the album has been released. Simple as that. seth ------------------------------ From: Fleur Weinstock Subject: Re: 2 things about the new album. On Wed, 8 May 1996, alisa brozena wrote: > Appearntly they decided to put us out of our misery and move the date up. > - ------------really??? i don't believe it. the cd coming out on the 14th? seth? i'm sure it's a lie. - --fleur de vie ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: Wednesday Digest > > From: Heather Aston > Subject: NORML table? > > In the thread about SG and drugs, someone mentioned that they had a NORML > table at one of their shows. What is a NORML table? Is this something we all > learned about at school, and I was just absent that day? > NORML stands for the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws. I have an idea for a new thread while we wait for the new album. What Soundgarden songs tell the story of your life? Mine are: *Stray Cat Blues (teens and early 20's. I know they didn't write it, but Chris sings it so great and it fits perfectly) *Hunted Down (Drug induced paranoia, but some actual hairy stuff too) *Rusty Cage (deciding to break out of the rut and make some changes) *SuperUnknown (Having and raising kids - most days feel like this) Maybe the new album will have some songs to add ( I haven't looked at the lyrics for it yet). Kathie ------------------------------ From: Chris Farley Subject: RE: The Devil Inside I thought the were the horns from Bono's 'Macphisto' persona. - ---------- From: Tonerkin[SMTP:tonerkin@usa.pipeline.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 1996 3:55 PM To: somms@MIT.EDU Subject: The Devil Inside Does anyone else think that they must of borrowed the woman's devil horns (in Pretty Noose) from the same prop department that Angus Young used for the cover of AC/DC's "Highway to Hell"????? I know none of you will fess up to liking AC/DC. I have the vinyl somewhere I'll admit it!!! Toni ------------------------------ From: Fleur Weinstock Subject: Re: new thread On Wed, 8 May 1996 oponfam@cnsnet.com wrote: > What Soundgarden songs tell the story of your life? Mine are: > *Stray Cat Blues (teens and early 20's.) > *Hunted Down (Drug induced paranoia, but some actual hairy stuff too) > *Rusty Cage (deciding to break out of the rut and make some changes) > *SuperUnknown (Having and raising kids - most days feel like this) > Kathie mine: - ------------------Birth Ritual (birth!) - ------------------Pretty Noose (angst of teenage years) - ------------------Jesus Christ Pose (now: the incredibly percussive quality of being alive and the great monster that is society) - ------------------Beyond the Wheel (i die!!) i think this is a really cool thread and i'm interested in hearing everybody else's take on it! - --yours, fleur de vie weinstock ------------------------------ From: Jenn Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 8 May 1996 Okay, okay, I'm just about readu to totaly FLIP here! All this talk about the video (hello? Not everybody can get acces to eMTy TV you know!) is driving me crazy! Record stores in my area don't even have the single yet and the radio sttions didn't even know there was a new album out (those who actualy knew who Soundgarden is). You're probably reading this thinking "Oh she's just jealous". Damn right I am! Who can blame me? > >I just saw the video again for the 3rd time. > "ARRRGGG!" I say as steam starts to pour out of my ears and I start to boil. But I'll be polite and not tell this person to do something physicaly impossible simply because I am dying of envy. Oh what the hell, since when am I polite? >>He looks into the camera and your soul and >>a women will see the good friend who needs a hug, the lose little boy who > >>needs a hug, the man of your dreams, who needs your love. > I was thinking more along the lines of a homicidal maniac. > >>how can a guy >>look so good just SITTING there? WAAAAAAAHHHH! I won't even comment to this except for if I become insanely jealous and die of envy before I get to see this video IT'S ALL THE FAULT OF YOU PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO SEEM TO ENJOY TORTURING ME! Yesterday I e-mailed Muvh Music and even the HitList (see how desperate I am?) to see if any of them will play it. I betcha anything that they will play it, when I'm out of the house! It's a conspiracy, "Look, Jenn's leaving the house and won't be back for hours, we run tha new Soundgarden video again and again until she comes back!" Yeah, I'll bet that's what's going on. When will I ever hear it? On Monday KOTS sent me a message letting me at what times the video would play that day, so I sent another message asking if it was for all video channels. Well I got their messages that went kinda like " OOPS! I guess we shoulda specified that right?" {maybe not exactly in that way} GRRRRRR.... Oh well, till next time (by then I hope to have seen the video!) TOODLES! JENN ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: Wednesday Digest Reagarding which songs tell the story of my life, I would have to say Fell on Black Days, and the Day I Tried to Live. Geoff ------------------------------ From: dao5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Thoughts and Comments Sommsters, I have yet to see the PN video :( but I am still eagerly anticipating the new album. I don't any of us has to worry about sg getting overplayed this time and getting all commercial and cheesy. If they were headed in that direction none of us would be calling cd stores and asking for the new single and getting "Single I haven't heard of any stinking Single". I haven't even seen any promo posters for it yet. I saw promo posters for AIC new album for about 3 weeks before it came out. I have been watching MTV vigilantly for the last 3 days and to no avail. I have seen the damned (insert unmentionable band name here, something to do with water breathing creatures) video 8 times. It's like the kiss of death, I have to avert my eyes and change the channel when it comes one. Hmm... oh yeah I know this is a little bit late, but the song mailman is indeed about a psycho killer. Evidence backing up my claim, early on the superunknown tour in the seattle area, Chris dedicates the song to a recently executed insane mailman he said quote "I'm sorry they killed you chris" later on the tour at a concert in texas Chris said "this song is about killing your fucking boss" But you know what it doesn't really matter, when I hear what a sg song is about after I have already heard it and it already means something to me. The song just gains an alternate meaning, mailman to me will always mean the girlfriend I had last year second semester of my freshman year. But I Just know that to chris it is about a psycho mailman. You know fresh tendrils reminds me of her too, to me that song means you wait for something/someone and put with all kinds of crap to get it/her. But when you finally get it, it's cool for like 2 minutes and that everything turns to shit and you realize you have been fucked over. Anyway thats enough of my thoughts for one day. If I have offended anyone with my lengthy post feel free to send me a multitude of abusive letters. -Clown "Yes I am riding you!! Oh I'm riding you!! Oh I am riding you all the waaay!!!!!" (Insert monolithic thayil riff here) Love this song it's one of the few sg songs I can sing without hurting my throat. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: female singer to join soundgarden? WE>what do you guys think of making it tracy bottom ("mother, mother"...), Isn't that Tracy Bonham? Nothingman -The chick who screams through the TV. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: My words that don't live up... GK>Reagarding which songs tell the story of my life, I would have to say GK>Fell on Black Days, and the Day I Tried to Live. Yep. I'd have to agree with the Fell on Black Days, because I've always seen that song as being a guy who's having a really bad day...after day...after day. And things just keep falling apart. Oh well, at least I like this list. And I also can relate to the Day I Tried To Live, because of the first few lines, where it says, "The words you say never seem to live up to the ones inside your head." I always think how I'm gonna just say what's on my mind and I do, but it's never as powerful as I thought it would be. Except for when it comes to asking a girl out, because then I just don't say it, because I'm terrified of girls. Oh well. And I also like when he says, "The lives we make never seem to ever get us anywhere but dead." I like that because I keep thinking what I'm gonna do with my life, and I can't figure it out, and even though I'm smarter than hell (not that anyone can tell, though) I still probably won't make anything of myself. Oh well, again. Nothingman -And I learned that I was a liar, just like you. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Damn video. AL>>I just saw the video again for the 3rd time. AL>> AL> "ARRRGGG!" I say as steam starts to pour out of my ears and I start to AL>boil. Aww, it's ok. I haven't been privelaged enough to see it either. I think I'll go scream now. AL>FAULT OF YOU PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO SEEM TO ENJOY TORTURING AL>ME! They're torturing me, too, but do you see me screaming? Nope, that's because I do it in private. ;) AL> When will I ever hear it? On Monday KOTS sent me a message AL>letting me at what times the video would play that day, On Monday, I sat in front of MTV (when I could get the soap opera/talk show people to let me turn the TV at my colleget...they're big, mean, ugly bitches, you must understand...because I don't have cable at home) for about 2 hours all together, and totally missed it every time. I probably turned it just as it was ending. Damn. But anyway, then I get home (at about 10:30) and there's this message that tells me when they're gonna play the damn video. I thought, "DAMMIT! If I would've gotten this earlier!" It said it was gonna play at midnight, so i almost broke into the school just to see it. But I didn't (the words (actions) I think never seem to live up to the ones inside my head...see, I told you). Nothingman -AND I'M OUTTA ICED TEA! ------------------------------ From: I Awake Subject: Interpretations I've been thinking a lot lately about the different interpretations of Soundgarden's music (the lyrics in particular) that have been voiced on this list. I was reading an interview with John Cage today, and his opinions of meaning seemed to be extremely relevant to discussions about whether or not "Mailman" is about a psycho killer, what list members think it's about versus what Chris Cornell thinks it's about, etc. Cage says that music should make the listener an active part of the performance (which is obvious in light of his experiments with "silence" or pieces like La Monte Young's "Compositions of 1960"), and that instead of having a meaning, it should have all meanings. That is, the way in which the listener participates in the song dictates its meaning. He says that by removing intention from composition, the composer is more expressive, in that instead of the composer conveying a definite meaning to the the listener via the performer, the listener and the music become active forces in defining a song. This certainly seems to be the case with "Black Hole Sun," where Chris has said that people keep trying to figure out what it means, but he wrote it by just stringing together words that sounded good. Thus, it should have a different meaning for each listener, based on how each listener involves him or herself with the music, because it was composed without an intended meaning. Just thought I'd contribute something... I Awake ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Thoughts and Comments DA> I have been watching DA> MTV vigilantly for the last 3 days and to no avail. I have seen the damn DA> (insert unmentionable band name here, something to do with water DA> breathing creatures) video 8 times. It's like the kiss of death, I have DA> avert my eyes and change the channel when it comes one. I always see Mariah Carey. DA> You know fresh tendrils reminds me of her too, to me that song means you DA> wait for something/someone and put with all kinds of crap to get it/her. DA> But when you finally get it, it's cool for like 2 minutes and that DA> everything turns to shit and you realize you have been fucked over. Kinda like Pretty Noose? Nothingman -Come to think of it, that's how my last girlfiend (did I say fiend?) was. ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: I'm baaaaaaack.... Hello kiddies!! I know all of you have been eagerly awaiting the official Shroom analysis of the Pretty Noose video, but alas, I've been studying and taking finals all week, so no television for me (not that I really watch it anyway). But tomorrow (at approximately 1:30pm) I will FINALLY be on summer vacation!!! Thank yew... thank yew... It's been driving me absolutely nuts listening to you people drool over the damned video, y'know. (I feel your pain, Jenn). Tomorrow night I'm going to camp over at my friend Shane's place until they play the freaking thing. Then I'll tape it, watch it like thirty million times, and start spewing Chris-isms ALL over this list. Have no fear people... Shroom is ON the job. AAAUUUGGGHHHH!!! I had a nightmare last night!! I dreamt that I had somehow managed to make it onstage during a SG show. I made my way over to Chris, and somehow I managed to see down the front of his shorts. OK... get your minds out of the gutter people... I just saw what kind of underwear he was wearing. This is the SCARY part. They were Tommy Hilfiger boxer shorts. AAAAUUGGGHH!!! I DESPISE that Tommy line of clothing!! It's so.... preppy. Someone hold me... One last thing... no wait, maybe two... Is ANYONE else in Dallas going to the Rehab Lounge on Monday night for the SG "Pre-Release" party? And my mostest humblest apologies to everyone who has been writing me and not receiving responses. I've barely had time to check my e-mail, much less post or write letters. Please oh please forgive me? Pretty please with Chris sans shirt on top? (picture it) will always mean the girlfriend I had last year second semester of my freshman year. But I Just know that to chris it is about a psycho mailman. You know fresh tendrils reminds me of her too, to me that song means you wait for something/someone and put with all kinds of crap to get it/her. But when you finally get it, it's cool for like 2 minutes and that everything turns to shit and you realize you have been fucked over. Anyway thats enough of my thoughts for one day. If I have offended anyone with my lengthy post feel free to send me a multitude of abusive letters. -Clown "Yes I am riding you!! Oh I'm riding you!! Oh I am riding you all the waaay!!!!!" (Insert monolithic thayil riff here) Love this song it's one of the few sg songs I can sing without hurting my throat. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: female singer to join soundgarden? WE>what do you guys think of making it tracy b