From: saperl@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 7 May 1996 Reply-To: saperl@mit.edu Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 00:43:57 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Tuesday, 7 May 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: the new video Damn. UK Pretty Noose single Soundgarden on vinyl Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 6 May 1996 Video Re: matt cameron article? Blues for the Red Sun Re: Circle of Power; Duct Tape; Yet another pop culture SG sighting Pretty Noose Vid impressions CC ON DRUGS and i don't like what ya got me hangin from... lots o' stuff ;) Re: the new video ok.. Pretty Noose Video SG on B&B Common ruse, dirty face.. more details about the video how-to-get-video-if-you're-not-an-mtv-junky Re: more details about the video BMF Wheel in PN Video Pretty Noose Video ack..the video Lollapalooza, Kyle Petty Soundgarden maddness I keep missing the video! follows me down the river... blowing it to hell and gone... as thirsty as you are... Re: BMF Wheel in PN Video album? PN Video Help! argh.. OK, I saw the video Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 6 May 1996 Re: SG on B&B Re: PN Video black hole sun video ------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: the new video From: seth Well, I know there must be some of you who don't have MTV (like me, for example) and are still curious about the new "Pretty Noose" video, and I know that almost everyone must be interested in getting an inside perspective on the whole thing, so here is director Frank Kozik's take on the whole affair. As you'll read, he wants feedback on the video after you see it, so you can either email him directly (yes, I have permission to make his email address public) or email me and I'll forward your comments to him. Just a bit of background for those who might not know: Kozik is primarily a poster artist, responsible for some of the most striking print graphics available (there is a scan of one on the unofficial SG page). In 1994, he formed a record label with Kevin Plamondon called Man's Ruin. "Pretty Noose" is his first attempt at directing a music video. And now, from Kozik himself... - ------- Forwarded Message Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 21:08:33 -0700 To: saperl@MIT.EDU From: mansruin@sirius.com (Man's Ruin Inc.) Subject: Re: Pretty Noose Video Hello Seth, Allright-here's some general info- The video was shot on location in Seattle over the course of 3 days.Most of it was at the OK Hotel,which is a triple-threat Bar/Restaurant/Venue down by the ferries.Back in the day it was a Transient hotel,and the top floors are an abandoned wonderland of rotting hallways and tiny rooms.We also shot at some other places,Seattle Tattoo,Westernco Donuts,a couple of street scenes.Doing the shoot was a lot of fun,actually,and the band wasn't involved until day three,due to their crushing schedule.I had been apprehensive about their attitude,which turned out to be excellent,and made it an easy shoot. The video presented a definate challenge,as they wanted something "non-videoish",with no band performance or acting of any sort.After listening to the song about a million times,I basically portrayed the "pretty noose",as your average bad girlfriend experience.Chris says that the pretty noose is a thing in life that seems attractive and desirable at first,then becomes a nightmare,and the song is about getting away from that.I also wanted to make a video,that while containing the un-escapeable TV imagery associated with rock music)Sleaze and sex),would be perhaps a little "smoother" and natural than the flashy/corny/artsy stuff I saw on the 1 day of MTV I watched. Therefore,the video is a series of vignettes featuring each band member in a hopefully natural-feeling setting,without forcing them to do anything overly-poseurish.Matt rides a motorcycle,Kim shoots pool,Ben smokes a cigarette,Chris looks depressed/deep....interspersed withg the band appearences we also see some other sleazy"slice-o life" scenarios-a donut shop,a tattoo parlor,a pull-over police thing,a shady transaction.Meanwhile,the "devil-girl" sort of (hopefully) ties it all together,until she is (in the uncensored version) killed by Chris,ending his cycle of depression. Looking at the finished video,a lot of people are not going to like it because it's edited "weird"-all dissolves,timed to vocals and guitars instead of drums,limited band appearance.People either love it or think it sucks.You all will have to decide for yourselves.I obsessed with making it look nice,and I think it does that allright.Whether or not it "works" as a music video or mirrors fans fantasies about Soundgarden,I don't know.I would love to have some feedback from "the world",so I can figure out if directing videos is something I should be doing.This was my first one,and it's a whole lot different and complicated than doing print graphics.I'd hate to waste the energy on it if what comes out sucks. Technically,it was a pretty plush situation.We shot in a wide variety of formats,mostly 35mm,and went the whole hog in post-production,which was done in Chicago.I sat there with the editor 18 hours a day carving this thing out,so it's all my fault. Over-all it was an amazing experience. Frank Kozik If anyone has questions-its Frank at mansruin@sirius.com - ------- End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------ From: Kane Subject: Damn. > You know, I'm getting pretty envious of all you people that already > have the > single, the album, that's going to SNL, that's been to listening parties, > ect. Just out of curiousity, is there anyone on this list, besides me, that > doesn't have the single or album yet? hey, don't feel bad! I'm pathetic too! In fact, I haven't even heard Pretty Noose... at all!! Reading all about DOTU and everyone gushing over it is like torture... oh well... I'll sit here like uninvited company, wallow in my own obscenity, sit here like wet ashes with Xs in my eyes, and draw flies until May 21... (I'd share a cigarette with negativity, but I don't smoke... betcha thought I forgot that line, didn't you?? :) ------------------------------ From: Grant Asher Subject: UK Pretty Noose single I just got hold of the UK limited edition!! pretty noose single. It is sooooooooo!!!! great!! It's in a box along with a poster and a postcard of the new album cover (I think) - it's sort of split in two, the bottom half is the reflection. It's got the four band members in a really dark light. I may scan the postcard if it's not already available. Let me know. Onto the songs: Pretty noose is my favourite on the single. Even though the bastards at Kerrang only gave it three K's (is that subliminal advertising?) Applebite is pretty cool, I love the way the vocals have been done on it. An unkind is good too, I like the punk-type feel to it. BTW, in the interview Chris (at least I think it's Chris - I've never actually heard the band speak, only sing) mentions something about a pinky thing. Is he referring to having to stretch his pinky to play some of the songs? If he is, then I know exactly what he means. I still have difficulty stretching my pinky up to the 8th fret in the intro to Black Hole Sun. Grant Asher P.S. I've read a few farewell notes from those of you who are off on holiday from uni, how many people are going to be leaving soon due to the vacation? When is your vacation in the USA? P.P.S. The people at Radio 1 here in the UK must die!! On the top 40 show yesterday they previewed this weeks new single releases, Smashing Pumpkins etc, but did they play Pretty Noose? No, they fucking well didn't!!!! They must Die!!!! ------------------------------ From: "Audrey L. Hillyard" Subject: Soundgarden on vinyl Hey all, I was in Go! Records in Arlington yesterday, and noticed that they have one copy of Superunknown on colored vinyl (brand new) for $10.99 and a used copy of Screaming Life on vinyl for $11.99. So if anybody in the DC area is interested, there it is. audrey ------------------------------ From: Music lover Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 6 May 1996 To the luckiest man who has a copy of the new album, I am soooooo jealous!!!!! I can't tell you how long I have anticipating the release of the new album! I am happy to hear that the songs kick ass. (Not like their was any doubt in my mind!) Anyway if it is at all possible I would pay you for a copy!! Let me know!!!! A.S.A.P.!!! ------------------------------ From: sfox@mailer.fsu.edu (Stephen Fox) Subject: Video Did anyone else catch "Pretty Noose" on MTV last night? I was watching a movie and flipped over to see what I could see and caught the last minute or so which featured one shot of the band, (that looked like it was from the photo shoot they used for the album) a close-up of Chris sitting on a bed in a messy room, and a serpentine devil-woman. If anyone else saw the rest, I think we'd all appreciate a better depiction of the feel and events in their fullest glory. Great Big Noise, Stephen R. Fox sfox@mailer.fsu.edu ------------------------------ From: ansel@morgan.com Subject: Re: matt cameron article? I haven't typed it yet, but I will post it to the list this week (I promise). -Vikki ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Author: SoundGrdn3@aol.com at nylanr01 Did someone say that they have an article that they will type up about Matt and marijuana? I don't have enough online time to go onto the website and download it. That's like the one Matt article that I haven't read. Thanks! ------------------------------ From: Enrique Olavarria Subject: Blues for the Red Sun a while ago someone talked about bands that sound like soundgarden. ive always related kyuss to them because of that black sabbath influenced sound i like so much. i was listening to kyuss' second album (blues for the red sun) yesterday. thats one of my favourite albums next to louder than love and badmotorfinger. the first song ("thumb") has some parts that remind me of the fast part of "gun". then the slow beginning of "molten universe" reminds me of "slaves and bulldozers". and track 4 of the album is called "50 million year trip (downside up)" <----- there it is. downside up <--> down on the upside. anyway i love this guitar sound im talking about (black sabbath), it definitely reaches its peak in soundgarden's cover of "into the void". ive found a little bit of it in mind funk's album "dropped" too (with jason everman). and while im on the subject i love bands that create this sound atmosphere around their songs. it makes the song not only a listening experience but it also places you in another world. soundgarden does this in most of their songs, especially on ugly truth, slaves and bulldozers, searching with my good eye closed. (they dont do it very succesfully in ultramega ok or screaming life/fopp - or maybe a little in beyond the wheel - but i still like those albums). half and head down also carry that atmosphere but its different from the others, it places you in a different world. kyuss does this throughout the whole "blues for the red sun" more succesfully than on their other albums. their atmosphere of sound is based on this flow of guitars, those of you who have listened to this album will know what im talking about. other bands that do this atmosphere thing are sonic youth (with distortion and noise) and monster magnet (with space like sounds sampled in the songs). ok enough with this stuff. now let me clear something up: >>Enrique Olavarria lo siento pero no puedo >>transcribir toda la entrevista con Chris Cornell >>dura mas de 45 minutos y no tengo tiempo para >>poder transcribirla. >Enrique Olavarria isn't able to transcribe all of the interview with Chris >Cornell that lasted more than 45 minutes, and I don't have time to >transcribe it. here's the correct translation: Enrique Olavarria: im sorry but i can't transcribe the interview with CC because it lasted more than 45 minutes and i dont have time to do it. i am enrique. i asked him to transcribe the interview and he was telling me he couldnt. other than that your translation was very good, vasant. enrique. ------------------------------ From: Nate Crosswhite Subject: Re: Circle of Power; Duct Tape; Yet another pop culture SG sighting At 04:51 PM 5/4/96 -0600, you wrote: >Aaah! I can't believe so many people hate Circle of Power! I love it! Dare >I say it's my favorite song on the album. Ok, maybe not, but it's second >only to All Your Lies. Hiro's singing is so bad, that it's good! Oh, love >that riff. > Well, I when I first heard Circle of Power, I thought it was Chris singing. I hated it almost instantly, thinking, "How can someone so talented do that on purpose?" Later, when I learned Hiro was responsible, I started to look at it differently. You're right, he sings so poorly, it is enjoyable to listen to. Not so much that it ceases to be my least favorite SG song, but at least I don't have to skip over the song now. Nate ------------------------------ From: sean@ramoth.unl.edu (Sean McCarthy) Subject: Pretty Noose Vid impressions Hey All- Just caught Pretty Noose vid on MTV. It was about 8am, so I was just shaking off a hangover and getting my cappachino injection flowing. The video is trippy as hell. Use of dark green, blurred, faded dark blue colors that seem to drip off the television. I caught half of the video, just to the part where the woman in the red dress starts dancing. Sort of makes the 'Black Hole Sun' video seem like 'Shiney Happy People'-not to dog on that video at all. The video will probably be like the album. There's a lot of imagery that I just didn't look closely at. Watch it 4 or 5 times, and you'll see something new every time. Dark, loud and distrubing--it grows on you, what more could you ask for? My review Laters, Peace Sean ------------------------------ From: Malvol7@aol.com Subject: CC ON DRUGS Thanks to everyone who posted reprints of articles regarding CC's opinion of drugs...I wish I had more time to post specific interviews myself. I have 43 various magazine interviews with CC, and he definitely took an anti-drug/anti-partying stand to the point of almost sounding anti-social, (he even admitted he was agoraphobic at one point in his life). CC has said a thousand times that he doesn't party, has few friends, and prefers to stay home when he's not working. It makes me crazy when I read here that CC and SG "must" be doing drugs and partying just because they're in a band. It seems like 90% of the people on this list don't read anything except the info other people put into the digest...why all the speculation when you can get the facts straight from the CC interviews? Rolling Stone, Spin, and RIP all had several in-depth interviews with CC, and you can very easily order back copies if you're interested. When I was in the hospital for several months, my aunt spent hundreds of $$$ on SG memorabilia, back-copies of magazines, promo photos and singles from Susan Silver, CD's, and numerous video compilations from PJ Starr, just to keep my spirits up, so I have quite a collection of SG info now. I'm not an expert by any means, but it really bothers me when people make negative comments and speculations about CC and SG...especially when the correct information is out there and available to everyone. Now that I'm out of the hospital and alive and kicking, my aunt got me tickets to the SNL show with SG...and I hope I'll get a chance to see some of you there! ------------------------------ From: Foxymophandlemama <76345.3722@CompuServe.COM> Subject: and i don't like what ya got me hangin from... ok fellow gardeners, what's the deal? i've heard so many of you lucky souls (oh, congrat's shroom on somms!!!!) talking about the listening parties and having the single and having the cd and seeing the video..... and poor lil ole me in Music City USA (YUCK!!!!!) has only heard the song like 4 times. so my question is this: how can some of you have the single when the stores that i've called tell me they don't have any record of it? and i'm not taking about places like "bertha's records and 8-tracks" i've called major chains and they all give this excuse of how they didn't even KNOW there was a single. which completely shot my day; first, i see the new rolling stone which pisses me off b/c my other man (besides chris of course) is david duchovney and there he is fucking scully! grrrr. then, some stupid salesclerk tells me,"we don't have any record of a single, but did you know there's a new album coming out on the 21st?" oh, REALLY? so, HOW CAN I GET IT??? ok, sorry. exams are taking a major toll on me mentally. i'll shut up now. oh, if anyone ever gets pretty noose on tape, can i copy it? i don't have mtv either....... have a great day everybody :-) - -mop ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: lots o' stuff ;) 1) seattle kisw has it on their web site that the listening party is on 5/13. my question of course is whether it really *will* be live, which translates into, 'do i want to sit home and tape it (not really) or do i want to sit outside the kisw studios that night instead (and then go to tower and buy the vinyl at midnight'. hey shroom, wanna roadtrip? ;> 2) single/album i've heard the single sporadically since i've been so fuckin' busy lately. but i haven't heard the album, haven't been begging to hear the album, tried to download streamworks to hear the songs (btw, they were at internet world and boy did i tell them that i thought their software sucked and was hard to download/install). *shrug* all things in good time, i always say... ;) 3) down on the upside when i first heard it, the first thing i thought of was 'a hard days' night'; in other words, one of those strange twists of language/phrasing. 4) whenshould i send my money order? i'm KIDDING, nothingman. k-i-d-d-i-n-g. ;> - --caryn ------------------------------ Subject: Re: the new video From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) I saw the "PN" video, so here is a quick review - don't have time to go into detail.. In very simple words.... It was damn fine... Personally I love the videos with a band doing their thing (i.e., Fell On Black Days) without the strange unknown characters and other distractions, but this video captures the sound, the taste, the heart of "PN". The scene where Ben is pulled over by the police and put through the hands on the hood search is great - Ben is just right for this type of action. Kim in the pool hall is another very strong image. Kim always comes across to me as being real core rock, so him playing pool with a group of older black men gives you the touch of old blues players, the roots of rock.. I found the colors and angles of the videos are compelling, they add a dark but realistic touch to the video. They never take, only give you more feelings. The end of the video, the camera pans in on Chris, siting at the foot of an unmade bed - this man is truly a delicious morsel.. No female will be able to watch this scene with out the pit of her stomach doing that "God I'm going to die if he doesn't touch me" thing.. He looks into the camera and your soul and a women will see the good friend who needs a hug, the lose little boy who needs a hug, the man of your dreams, who needs your love... And men will see themselves and say "Yeah, I know how you feel, been there". Everyone is going find something different about the meaning of the song from this video.. I can see many weeks of good discussion on each of our points of views.... Mr. Kozik, job well done - you have one thumb up from me.. Jamie ------------------------------ From: never.named@thenexus.com Subject: ok.. I just saw the Pretty Noose vid and it is FUCKING COOL! I'll tell everyone what happens in a few minutes, but does anyone know what time MTV videos usually premiere? I have marching band practice tonight (with the oh-so-cute Mr. Champagne) and I want to tape this.. - -overfloater. ------------------------------ From: danabt@ix.netcom.com (Dana Born-Thomsen) Subject: Pretty Noose Video Great! I only had to watch ten minutes of MTV and they premiered the new video! Of course like Seth said they'll be playing it a multitude of times within the next few weeks so noone will miss it. After I frantically threw in a video tape I actually got to watch it. The band doesn't feature too prominently in it although Matt makes a dashing appearance on his motorcycle and is that Ben being thrown up on a car and arrested? Later on he's hanging out on a VW bug it looks like. The ending reminds me of the movie "Sid and Nancy" where Chris is sitting on the end of a bed in a trashed out room looking depressed and menacing, just like when the cops came to get Sid after murdering Nancy. "Mercurial mind the fire, ferrivorous direction and drive..." Kim Thayil-"Never the machine Forever" (now to decipher what that means when I hear the music!) P.S. Thanks again T for the cd insert pamphlet! ------------------------------ From: rea49625@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu (Rebecca Agrait) Subject: SG on B&B the video B&B were watching when the 'black hole sun mountains' comment was made was 'naveed' by canadian band our lady peace. oh wait it might have been 'starseed'. either 'starseed' or 'naveed' im not sure. one of them two. Hasswipee's Home Page http://pegasus.cc.ucf.edu/~rea49625/ Inspirational Quote "Oh, look at me, I'm way cool. I'm off with my way cool friends to sniff floor wax." -Brian Krakow ------------------------------ From: never.named@thenexus.com Subject: Common ruse, dirty face.. Ok, I saw it. I was watching MTV eagerly awating the Pretty Noose premiere when around 255pm EDT (kinda like DDT) I saw those spotlights on the TV that meant MTV was showing a new video, and sure enough the wonderful sounds of Pretty Noose filled my Soundgarden-loving head. Anyway, enough happy horseshit. Here's what's in the video.. They show Soundgarden in a hotel, and they keep showing this chick's eye.. and they show a bunch of chicks! I never thought I'd see all those chicks in a Soundgarden video! There's this one chick dancing on a stage, and Soundgarden is watching, and looking bored out of their asses. And Matt is riding a motorcycle, and some chick gets a tattoo. Some guy (I think it could be Ben) gets busted. he's thrown up against this car, and they put the cuffs on him.. and at the end, they show Chris sitting on a bed in a bedroom somewhere.. He looks like he just woke up :) and at the VERY end of the video they show that eye again, and a Badmotorfinger wheel comes out of it.. I thought that was fukking cool as hell. I can't wait to tape it.. (ARG! I couldn't tape it this time!) Anyone on the list live near Norfolk VA? I'm gonna be there next weekend :) - -overfloater. ------------------------------ Subject: more details about the video From: seth Thought some of you might want to know how exactly Chris kills the girl in the unedited version of the "Pretty Noose" video, so I asked... - ------- Forwarded Message Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 11:15:34 -0700 To: saperl@MIT.EDU From: mansruin@sirius.com (Man's Ruin Inc.) Subject: Re: Pretty Noose Video Hey Seth, The "killing" is inferred...you see the girl sprawled out under the sheets on a bed,while the camera moves up and into Chris's face,which has a weird,sad look,then a dissolve of a rope sliding across her face drifts in while a close-up of him staring at you emerges. Frank - ------- End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------ From: alisa brozena If any of you out there are in the North Jersey area, check out a bar in Kearny on Kearny Ave. Friday night they are having a Soundgarden promotion and are giving away the new CDs. I already have one reserved there. Hope to see ya there ------------------------------ From: Fleur Weinstock Subject: how-to-get-video-if-you're-not-an-mtv-junky (the-space-bar-on-this-machine-is-broken) does-anybody-know-how-those-of-us-who-are-not-hooked-on-or-hooked-to-mtv-can- get-a-copy-of-the-video? everyone-should-bow-down-to-seth,-by-the-way,-if-you-didn't-already-know. love, fleur ------------------------------ From: ansel@morgan.com Subject: Re: more details about the video A rope sliding across a sleeping woman's face. That's the footage MTV amputated? An inferred killing. A SYMBOLIC killing, perhaps? Come on! Geez. The venomous lover wears silk red devil ears throughout the video. How could most viewers miss the point? If such a scene could inspire violence, the perp would have been way way way beyond fucking help long before the PN clip. Why is MTV so drawn to mutilation? What, they couldn't tolerate a coherent story line? Oh, no no, can't have a video that anyone can actually comprehend. No. Gasp. Let's stick to guys in freak makeup riding large pigs. Yeah, cool. Why couldn't we see this scene? It sounds touching, actually. Fuck. 'Scuse me. I'm more pissed than I've been in a long time. Needed to vent. Thanx, Vikki ------------------------------ From: Chris Farley Subject: BMF Wheel in PN Video Did anyone else catch the pupil of the eye at the end of the PN Video = turning into the BMF Wheel. That made the video for me. I don't think = there is a real 'story line' to the video, but, just a collage of really = beatiful and powerful images. My $.02 Chris ------------------------------ From: oponfam@cnsnet.com Subject: Pretty Noose Video I saw the premier of the Pretty Noose video today at noon. I won't go into the description of the video, I'll let someone else to that. I think it will reopen talk about interpretation of the song, though. It seems that the holder of the "pretty noose" in question may have gotten the subject of the song into some legal trouble (maybe an underage temptation?) What do you all think? Kathie ------------------------------ From: stella rogers Subject: ack..the video Hey I just saw the video too. I thought it was really cool. The only part that I didnt like was that scene where the picture of the band comes in. I dunno it just seemed out of place. I didnt think it belonged there. Does anyone else thing the same? But besides that, the video rocked!! =97=97=97=97 srogers@fix.net http://www.geocities.com/tokyo/3923/ now also at: http://members.tripod.com/~stellar ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: Lollapalooza, Kyle Petty Hey listers! Wouldnt you know it...I get rid of distractions such as the television and radio so I can study for finals and what happens...SG premieres a new vid! Ugh! Since MTV really doesnt show videos anymore...The video should be found in 'crush' :-) rotation on the times that they *do* show vids, so I/you shouldnt have a problem seeing it! Frank Kozik is a _brilliant! artist!_ A perfect fit for directing a SG video. I sincerely hope that some of you (Vikki?) take the time and give him a fair and unbiased description of his style. I'm very excited to see what he's done. I'm more excited in seeing the uncut vid :-) A&M has a 'mail-us' form on their web page (http://www.amrecords.com)...go get em! :-) I'm up to 4 different versions of Black Hole Sun I've seen now. Well, I've only seen 3 versions but the 4th one did exist. And I'm not entirely sure...but maybe 2 are the same...anyway...there was the hurry up and release the video even though it's not finished being edited version. There was the MTV edit. I have an A&M promo video (Video Chaos #9) that contains the uncut version. And the version on the CD-ROM seems just a little different than the original. I may be mistaken... according to radio in the toronto area; Lollapalooza tickets information will be released to the general public this THURSDAY with venues and dates and prices etc. I'm assuming tickets will go on sale this Saturday (or next) at 10am....so save your cash! Def Lepperd wants $37.50 for general admission tickets! Imagine what we're gonna get socked with! Pay attention to the official lolla page and the ticketmaster page. for the detailed SG fans, there are 2 different versions of Kyle Petty. The original b-side version and on the _Home Alive_ compilation that version was mixed by Brenden OBrien. There are differences. Enough that I'm going to make a comment in the discography. I've also picked up the information that Kyle Petty was rerecorded for inclusion on the new album (old news..yeah)..but....for the SG trivia collection, the main difference was the motor sounds in the new (unreleased) version was a Chevy instead of Ben's 1970 Dodge pickup! :-) Listen close! Fool a redneck! :-) School still sucks! Steve - - swr@acsu.buffalo.edu - - http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~swr - - SG Web Alliance ------------------------------ Subject: Soundgarden maddness From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) Ahhh, it's been a wonderful day to be a Soundgarden freak... First the new video - stood there eyeballs glued to the screen.. Then the US mail hands me a box from Chicago land - my poster and insert from S.I.S. Toni.. Thanks Toni the postal service only crushed the box beyond belief, but the poster is fine.. Also in the mail is this months issue of Request.. There on the front "Straight No Chaser - Soundgarden" New picture love it. But inside - four of the greatest full face pictures of each of the band members. Each done in a bronze tone close up.. They are so beautiful you can't believe it.. These are the type of pictures I love to recreate in charcoal or pencil. The pictures show so much detail, the fine lines worn into the skin, the small imperfection that make a person special. Kim's and Chris's eyes look right into your heart. Ben and Matt have this look of being deep in the world of time and space. I'm totally taken with them.. I haven't read the article yet, but Seth if you don't have access to this magazine I'll type it up for you tomorrow. It's fairly long, so you have to give me a day. Jamie ------------------------------ From: SoundGrdn3@aol.com Subject: I keep missing the video! So, like everyone's seen it, right? Well, I'm 14, so I have to go to school and everything so I keep missing it. I got up at 5:57 this morning, assuming that it would make it's first appearance at 6:00 (like most videos that they premiere do), and then it wasn't on!!! What's even worse is---it was Hootie instead!!! Argh! Oh, so then I got home at 3:10, and my little brother (who stayed home from school) was like making fun of me 'cos I missed it by one video!!! Also, last night, I was planning on watching that Pearl Jam unplugged thing at 9:15, and instead they did the Jams Countdown. So, I um, watched VH1's "History of Hootie". I feel pathetic. I just know something's going to distract me at 6:30, and I'll miss Matt and his motorcycle again. Does he look good? If anyone finds out the details on that special KISW broadcast E-mail me, okay? Thanks! ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: follows me down the river... On Thu, 2 May 1996, Alejandro Garcia Luque wrote: > -RHINOSAUR: It sounds like a Louder than Love song, with the typical SG > riff. The song is deep and slow but it has a quick part (like "Gun") > in which Kim Thayil makes a quicky-wah-wah-solo. After this part the > song returns to its intial velocity and it ends like that. this song still reminds me of a led zeppelin feel, but maybe that is just the guitar tone or something. I agree that kim's solo is cool. I just read the lyrics on the better sg site, and they are kind of weird, in that the main character is some sort of huge beast out on the plains, which is definitely not content that chris has ever covered before. > -ZERO CHANCE: It's a mixing of "Fell on Black Days" and "Like Suicide", > you know, strange chords and arpeggios with a beautiful Cornell's > melody. I think that zero chance is more like black hole sun (melodic) than like suicide, although I agree on the fobd comparison. there are a lot of beautiful little parts to the song. it is different, and I am a little surprised at ben's skill in writing the music for it. it just shows his versatility as a songwriter, because it is a long way from half or dusty. what do you think seth? > -BURDEN IN MY HAND: It starts with an acoustic guitar, well, I think > it is a banjo or something; then, this part is repeated with > It has a melody so pretty that it will keep on sounding in your head > for quite a long time and you won't be able to forget it. which is to me the reason that they are going to probably make it the second single. good call. it makes me think of temple of the dog, something they would record if they were to do another album . > -DUSTY: This song has two different parts: a sweet one with arpeggios > and a hard one with a low riff. I'm not sure if it is "dusty" because > CC repeats the words "Down on the upside" many times. I really love this song. it grows on me every time I hear it. the guitar part is so rhythmic that matt only has to play half his kit for most of the song :) one of my new favourites. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: blowing it to hell and gone... On Fri, 3 May 1996, Ben Timberlake wrote: > He wasn't too informed, but he told me the 2nd single would be burden in > my hand (did we know this already?). it would surprise me if the band have already decided on what single they want to release next, before the album is even out. from interviews with them, it seemed to me like they leave it until the previous single has run its course in the stores and the charts, so as to get a better feel for what they should release next. btw, they won't have any trouble finding different sounding songs to release off this record. every last song is unique :) having said that, I have a feeling that not only will blow up the outside world be released as a single, but that it could be their biggest single ever. it kicks my ass every time I hear it, and has such a classic rock feel to it that no-one could help singing along :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: as thirsty as you are... On Sat, 4 May 1996 never.named@thenexus.com wrote: > album is a lot noisier and more layered than previous offerings from > Kim, Chris and the boys. Ranging from the wah-drenched first single > Pretty Noose and blisteringly Beatlesque Never The Machine Forever to I'm not so sure that this album is more layered than either bmf or superunk. there doesn't seem to be a huge amount of guitar tracks making that big wall of sound like on new damage or limo wreck. I actually thought that the self-production and demo ethic behind the album would have meant going away from layering 12 guitar parts for each song, but then again I don't play guitar. maybe the 'fun' feeling just meant that the layering wasn't as exact as on their previous albums. as for never the machine forever being beatlesque, I think they may have got the track order wrong or something. ntmf is one of the most metalic and abrasive songs they have recorded. the riffs just roll around and around, without any real hook to sink your teeth into. and then with the harmonics and kim's leads, I don't know how you could describe it as a beatle-type song, while completely forgetting blow up the outside world, which in my mind is *far* more beatlesque than anything in ntmf. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Subject: Re: BMF Wheel in PN Video From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) > Did anyone else catch the pupil of the eye at the end of the PN Video turning into the BMF Wheel. That made the video for me. I don't think there is a real 'story line' to the video, but, just a collage of really beatiful and powerful images. > My $.02 The BMF wheel at the end is a grabber - I wonder how many people will catch it or see it and not know what it is.. I'm sure long time fans or anyone on this list will. It could become one of those little teaser that DJ & VJ like to throw at people. As for story line - its a theme about temptation to me. Each images is a pretty noose, something that will hang you out to dry and you have to fight to control it. "Pretty noose is pretty hate" i.e., something you love so much you hate it, "And I don't like What you got me hanging from" i.e., because it does have the power to control you. Jamie ------------------------------ From: Joe Okubo Subject: album? When is their new album coming out? joe ------------------------------ From: Gregg Subject: PN Video I saw the Pretty Noose video on 120 minutes last night. As far as videos go, it kinda sucked. It's shot in kind of a psychedelic tone. Here's a summary: 1)A scene at a bar. Shots of the band sitting at the bar, sitting at the table, Kim playing pool. (opening/1st verse) 2)Cops chasing some guy in a car. When they finally get out and bust him, it looks kinda like Ben, but not sure....(Chorus) 3)Bunch of people sitting in a laundromat (?) I think i'm wrong about what the place is but it don't matter. Probably the worst part of the vid (2nd verse/Chorus) 4)Random shots of the band, Chris up close, some woman dancing, all kinda overlapping each other at different points (Solo) 5)Chris sitting at the end of a bed (he's clothed, Shroom) staring at the camera and looking kinda zoned out (soft part where he's singing the chorus) 6)THE BEST PART!!: Close up of an eye, the BMF wheel in the center of the eye... (the part where it rises and Chris yells "YEAH!!") I dunno...as I said before, it was kinda sucky. SG isn't really noted for innovative videos, tho. (Outshined, Rusty Cage, Loud Love(?), FoBD were all just shots of the band playing pasted together. I would have really liked to have seen the SuPeRuNknOwN video, but can't get AitS to work...Oh well. Hope you guys get to see the video so you can judge for yourselves. Gregg ____________________________________ | | | http://www.cybercomm.net/~melusk2 | HEAVY ROTATION (5/4) | melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net | "Evil Empire"--Rage Against the Machine |____________________________________| "It's comin' back around again...." --Zack de la Rocha "Fallout and take the bait, eat the fruit, kiss the snake goodnight" --Chris Cornell __________ __ ___ _____ _ / _________\ \ \ / / / _ \ / / / /__________ \ \ / / / / \ \ / / /___________ \ \ \ / / / / \ \ / / ____________\ \ \ \____/ / / / \ \_/ / /________________\ \ _______/ /__/ \____/ ------------------------------ From: Mayor McCheese Subject: Help! I went to see the video at 9 o'clock central. Nothing. What time zone should I consider myself being in to see the video. Severly pissed off, Mayor McCheese XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX "I'm so bad, I kick my own ass twice a day!" -Creeper from Dolemite **By receiving this letter you can join the OFFICIAL MAYOR McCHEESE SOUNDGARDEN CAMPING EXTRAVAGANZA in Detroit Lakes, Minnesota now by replying to this letter with the subject: CAMPING TRIP! Or type f beyera@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu for info on how you can join!*** ------------------------------ From: never.named@thenexus.com Subject: argh.. i hate when this happens.. the radios all confused.. sos mtv.. on z-rock they just said dotu vinyl comes out TOMORROW, and CD the 14th.. I HATE THAT! DONT GET MY HOPES UP! Someone reply to me and comfort me and tell me "thyre morons, it doesnt ocme out til the 14th" and tonight i noticed again while watching the Pretty Noose video, after the badmotorfinger wheel comes out of the eye, you can see that weird logo.. you know, the one that is on the ultramega ok cd.. it looks like a big S and an SG and a G and an L7 all at the same time.. thta weird thinge.. - -overfloater. ------------------------------ From: SoundGrdn3@aol.com Subject: OK, I saw the video Well, I did get to see the video at 6:30, and it was pretty weird. Especially at the beginning. I think that sucks that they edited out the noose part because I'll bet that was like the whole plot of the video-the whole essence of it (I mean the song it called "Pretty NOOSE")! I like it at the beginning when they are showing Kim and Matt sitting at that counter, and Kim's like talking, but Matt isn't paying any attention, it's cool. And of course the part when Matt is on the motorcycle rocks! Hmm...I think I still like "Spoonman" and "My Wave" better, but well, this one is still pretty cool. Oh by the way, yeah, I saw that BMF thing. It seemed kind of obvious, but I guess maybe only the real fans will "get" it, the posers will just disregard it. So, I really want to get that Request magazine!!! Sounds awesome-embossed pictures!! ------------------------------ From: James B Hawken Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 6 May 1996 Excerpts from mail: 6-May-96 Soundgarden Digest, Monday,.. by saperl@MIT.EDU > You know, I'm getting pretty envious of all you people that already have the > single, the album, that's going to SNL, that's been to listening parties, > ect. Just out of curiousity, is there anyone on this list, besides me, that > doesn't have the single or album yet? > =97=97=97=97 > srogers@fix.net > http://www.geocities.com/tokyo/3923/ > now also at: http://members.tripod.com/~stellar/index.html > I know what you mean- according to the music stores in my area (oh so beautiful Pittsburgh, PA) **nothing** from SG comes out until May 21st. I'll just have to wait to get it along with all the rest of the proles. Patience, my friend... Jim ------------------------------ From: mo Subject: Re: SG on B&B the video was starseed...just thought you might like to know mo ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: PN Video Now, I can't comment on Pretty Noose yet, since I haven't seen it, but how could you possibly say that Soundgarden is not known for innovative videos????? Jesus Christ Pose?? They put a salad on a cross! Black Hole Sun? The whole video is completely freaky! Superunknown? Spoonman? I can't believe you thought FOBD wasn't innovative. They went into a studio or rehearsal space and played the song and recorded live! No lip synching! And the video for Loud Love is great! The car crashes and Chris in his duct tape shorts, picking up the fake skylight and throwing it. How many other artists have appeared in duct tape shorts? Now that is innovation. Geoff On Mon, 6 May 1996, Gregg wrote: > I saw the Pretty Noose video on 120 minutes last night. As far as videos go, > it kinda sucked. It's shot in kind of a psychedelic tone. Here's a summary: > 1)A scene at a bar. Shots of the band sitting at the bar, sitting at the table, > Kim playing pool. (opening/1st verse) > 2)Cops chasing some guy in a car. When they finally get out and bust him, > it looks > kinda like Ben, but not sure....(Chorus) > 3)Bunch of people sitting in a laundromat (?) I think i'm wrong about what > the place > is but it don't matter. Probably the worst part of the vid (2nd verse/Chorus) > 4)Random shots of the band, Chris up close, some woman dancing, all kinda > overlapping > each other at different points (Solo) > 5)Chris sitting at the end of a bed (he's clothed, Shroom) staring at the > camera and > looking kinda zoned out (soft part where he's singing the chorus) > 6)THE BEST PART!!: Close up of an eye, the BMF wheel in the center of the > eye... > (the part where it rises and Chris yells "YEAH!!") > > I dunno...as I said before, it was kinda sucky. SG isn't really noted for > innovative > videos, tho. (Outshined, Rusty Cage, Loud Love(?), FoBD were all just shots > of the > band playing pasted together. I would have really liked to have seen the > SuPeRuNknOwN video, but can't get AitS to work...Oh well. Hope you guys get > to see the video so you > can judge for yourselves. > Gregg > ____________________________________ > | | > | http://www.cybercomm.net/~melusk2 | HEAVY ROTATION (5/4) > | melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net | "Evil Empire"--Rage Against the Machine > |____________________________________| > > "It's comin' back around again...." --Zack de la Rocha > "Fallout and take the bait, eat the fruit, kiss the snake goodnight" > --Chris Cornell > > __________ __ ___ _____ _ > / _________\ \ \ / / / _ \ / / > / /__________ \ \ / / / / \ \ / / > /___________ \ \ \ / / / / \ \ / / > ____________\ \ \ \____/ / / / \ \_/ / > /________________\ \ _______/ /__/ \____/ > > > ------------------------------ From: mo Subject: black hole sun video ok-i may be really weird, but a long, long time ago i remember seeing the black hole sun video and seeing that blond girl with the tongue burning up like the barbie doll on the grill. i tried telling some people that and they thought i was nuts, but i swear i saw that. anyway, somebody wrote something about there being like four different versions of that video, and i was wondering if maybe that was in one of them. i don't know, maybe i was really confused that day and thought the barbie was that girl. mo ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 117] **************************************