From: saperl@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 2 May 1996 Reply-To: saperl@mit.edu Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 01:47:56 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Thursday, 2 May 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Re: Pretty Noose Single (it's out!!) Re: The meaning of 'Down on the Upside' to blow it to hell and gone... sleep tight for me... its back and down and under... i'm overfloating now... Re: Cyberian Rhapsody Thanks guys... (Fwd) Amsterdam club (Fwd) The album in my hands (Fwd) What The Fuck Is Wrong With Donington? Least Favourite SG Song? well hello there... Re: Least Favourite SG Song? Re: Least Favourite SG Song? Re: Least Favourite SG Song? good idea!!! arghie... Re: arghie... Re: the meaning of DotU Re: Least Favourite SG Song? Re: Least Favourite SG Song? screaming life & fopp Sg on the radio Help me the meaning of DotU Random Muses Green Jello and other stuff Re: flames, bandwagons, dogs & wallets Re: Drugs, and other impotencies of the mind. #somms now open SNL fuck. regret must weigh a ton... what face would jim carrey pull for pretty noose? Small town life sucks CC face Re: SNL STuFF CHILL/7 sins/How I Got Hooked! Re: LOUDEST LOVE auction "Pretty Noose" single Re: Loudest Love Auction Re: LOUDEST LOVE auction LOUDEST LOVE auction ------------------------------------------------------------ From: ar303921@student.uq.edu.au (DEFsonic) Subject: Re: Pretty Noose Single (it's out!!) >Hey I got the single too, but is yours also from Germany? How much did >you end up paying for it (if you don't mind me asking). I paid $10 for >it. I really liked it, but I wasn't histerical about it though. >Well just checking with ya, Nope mine is the Australian release, it was released down here on the 29th of April. Singles are a rip off down here $8 Australian (don't know what that is american $4 or something) Yeah It's cool, but I am spewing about no B-sides and all album tracks that sucks a bit, but overall I am happy with it :) The new album is going to sound very wierd if these songs are anything to go by. seeya Lee _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ SONIC E-mail ar303921@student.uq.edu.au Turn it UP and Play it LOUD!! Let the blood rush to your head!! CD I'm listening to this week: "Spell on You" Single by DEF FX ------------------------------ From: ar303921@student.uq.edu.au (DEFsonic) Subject: Re: The meaning of 'Down on the Upside' The interview on the Pretty Noose single talks about how they named the album. Saying that Chris just came up with it, they didn't like it so put that name to the side for awhile. Then as the album got closer the named poped up again and it seemed to fit with the whole mood of the album. (Better then 'Come'n at Ya' :) As for what it mean, I think it is preety hard to guess without hearing the whole album and releating how the name relates to the mood of the album...It is ment to be fairly dark moody album, so maybe it means just what it say's 'you may be down, but you can still pick your headup' or 'you may be down, but you are still up' ummm yeah.... :) seeya Lee _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ SONIC E-mail ar303921@student.uq.edu.au Turn it UP and Play it LOUD!! Let the blood rush to your head!! CD I'm listening to this week: "Pretty Noose" single by Soundgarden ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: to blow it to hell and gone... On Tue, 30 Apr 1996, ward brandon t wrote: > I think you're wrong, because SG *is* into drugs and partying. They had > a NORML table at their '91'92 tour, from what I understand, and many of > their songs seem to be about drugs. someone on the list said 4th of July I don't think that any of the members of soundgarden are into that party sort of scene, whether it is as a group or by themselves. wasn't it kim who joked that they do crosswords rather than take drugs while in the studio? as for norml, matt and ben *did* do a hater song for the hempilation record, but I think that only goes so far as the legalisation of marijuana, not going around stoned out of your head 6 hours of the day. also, didn't chris say that there are no drug (heroin) songs on superunk? maybe some of their earlier songs were about drugs in some way, but I don't think it is the case now. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: sleep tight for me... about the title: down on the upside. on track four of the pn single (the interview with eleven), the band says that of all the ideas for the title, dotu was the best. I think it was chris that came up with this one, whereas kim came up with bmf and ultramega. they just felt that dotu represented all of 16 songs, more than some aggressive title which would only represent two or three of the songs. I didn't like the title so much when I first heard it, but it has certainly grown on me. matt jokes on the interview that his title of "coming at ya!" didn't represent nearly enough of the songs :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: its back and down and under... if you are uninterested in what down on the upside sounds like (what are you doing on the list?), or want to listen to the record without any prior knowledge, then delete this message right now. otherwise, if you want to know what some of the songs sound like, read on. littlejoe and I have heard the new album, and we now think we might be able to say something about it (rather than rushing head long into it). I'm going to write a bit about a few songs and joe is going to do likewise. one of my favourite songs at the moment is tighter and tighter. this song is soundgarden doing the blues, but in a completely soundgarden manner. the lyrics are kind of difficult to understand, but I'm sure the liner notes will come in handy. ben really seems to have the blues-type progression well in hand, and kim brings out all his best blues licks for the intro, the the outro, the riff itself and the absolutely incendiary lead break (this was where mike mccready puked his brains out!). the verses are fairly laid back, but build into the choruses, which rock :) the chorus goes something like: 'sleep tight for me, I'm gone'. matt also shows all his chops on this track (I'm listening to it now). his work on the toms is *phenomenal*. never the machine forever is a really odd song, but at the same time really cool. its not what I would have imagined kim to write by himself, but once you hear it, it is kind of obvious. there is no obvious hook in the riff, not like kyle petty. and as soon as you think you have a grip on the riff and the timing, the riff changes time and texture to something completely different. there are two riffs besides the main one, a cool little bridge and a weird little harmonic (this time I'm sure). I haven't listened to it enough yet, but kim is doing quite a lot of fills and stuff in the background. chris' vocals are hard to understand, besides the end line of 'watch the machine die'. kim is lucky to have matt as the drummer also, as with his uncanny sense of time changes, the song works well. another band couldn't play this song. no attention is fairly similar to the version heard on the selfpollution radio broadcast, but with some additional lyrics and a couple of parts where the riff is held for a few bars more. the chorus is kind of repetitive, but that is ok. I'm not sure that I like it more than the demo version, but then again, it was really good on the bootleg too. the lyrics for it (the demo version) are up on the unofficial page. my favourite part is where kim is sawing away at the end, when the riff is slowed down from it's punky proportions into something much more meaty. there are some cool vocal overdubs at the end. I could tell that overfloater was a good song from the first listen, but it has since grown on me even more over the last couple of days. it comes from quiet beginnings, but soon grows to mammoth size. the chorus gets an early airing, with chris quietly singing 'won't make it right'. some of the guitar sounds to me like an organ, but that is just the overall effect of the song's vibe (which is in part led zeppelin to me). the chorus is *great*, chris at his wailing best, and followed with a cool voice solo 'alone, alone, alone'. kim's lead break is overshadowed a little by the rhythm guitar and chris' singing (like on mailman), but that is cool, because it still all fits. it is hard to understand why bootcamp gets stopped where it does. it begins like an epic, in the vein of like suicide. a simple drum beat and kim's hypnotic guitar open up, and then there is a radio-like voice talking about something in the background (I think it is about politics, which is interesting in light of the mtv interview with chris). the lyrics are superb: 'like babies on display, like angels in a cage'. something about he song really moves me. on first listen, I thought 'how cool, the album is going to finish with this big epic crushing song', but just as it builds up, it dies. I hope bootcamp (reprise) is an upcoming bside, because even though it is great, it could have been so much bigger and maybe better. one song that some of us heard from bootlegs is ty cobb. I never heard any of these, so I don't know what original demos sounded like. but what is on the album *rocks* :) they talk on the pn interview about how the mandolin sounded so right on the track, and I have to agree. my favourite part of the song (and perhaps the album) is when chris is dueting with a computer-generated voice, which sounds *so* good. you have to hear it to believe it. I originally thought that matt wasn't really trying as hard to put as many wacky fills and beats into the this record, but after hearing ty cobb, I was floored. he still rules. the first thing that struck me while listening to dusty was the percussion, and the percussive element of the guitars. matt left his high hat at home for this track, so there is a different sound to the song. having just the snare drum and bass drum as the main percussion during the verses sounds very good. trust matt to know what to play :) the line down on the upside comes from this song (something I like, but littlejoe laughs at). overall, I think down on the upside is as strong as shit. the production is great (equal with superunk). there are a lot of hater and temple of the dog elements across the whole album, which is cool by me. and while the production is less slick, some people may be mislead into thinking that it's a return to songs from around the ultramega era. well, its not true. the anger from bmf and superunk is not here. even ty cobb, with the chorus of "I'm hardheaded, fuck you all" does not even approach the anger and intenseness of songs like limo wreck, slaves and bulldozers or tdittl. there seems to be more of a melodic approach to dotu, but maybe the songs they recorded were the best ones, and not just the more melodic ones. I eagerly await comments once everyone has heard it :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: LITTLE JOE Subject: i'm overfloating now... This is a co-operative review of the new album between blind dog and myself. We just finished drafting for what songs we would talk about. Firstly you can all put your fears to rest because IMHO it is absolutely awesome. It really draws on the whole body of soundgarden work, there's a strong totd presence and also plenty of hater/head down-ish writing by Ben. We aren't going to bother talking about any of the stuff on the pretty noose single because we figure that you'll all hear it or have heard it already. Blow up the Outside World: I'm struggling to think of a reason why this isn't the best song I've ever heard. It is just completely perfect. The vocal style is almost Lennonesque in places. It's worth noting that its main rival for 'best song' is Tighter & Tighter, also on DOTU (for the uninitiated). The guys are obviously no slouches in the production department, this is as intricate a song as anything on Superunknown. I'm just listening to it now and I can't get over how amazing the vocals are. Chris' voice at the start is filtered in a way that makes it more haunting than ever. No vocal strain here, the song then cuts to full-blown Soundgarden. Chris singing at full stretch like only he can, Kim and Ben setting the world on fire and Matt perfect and inventive as ever. This song is so damn good it will blow you off your seat when you hear it. Burden in my Hand: This song is Temple of the dog meets Kim and Ben. The lyrics are wonderful. Damn the guitar is good on this album. It is a very hard song to describe, i guess it is like a TOTD song in structure but with a big rolling guitar part. Chris will sing the hell out of anyone in the world, and he's doing that right here. Never Named: You get no prizes for guessing this one was written by Ben. It's a real quirky sort of a song, but it is damn good. From go to whoa it's frenetic and guitar-driven. The lyrics are especially funny, but far from it being a jokey sort of a song it is musically great. The guitar part changes up regularly throughout and Matt is kept very busy behind the kit. The key to this is the fact that Chris is not lost in the heavy mix, quite the opposite, the vocals and instruments meld together very well. Think Kickstand meets Hater with a dash of polish thrown in. Zero Chance: I'm going to risk repitition right here and again heaps praises on a song. This and 'tighter and tighter' are probably (to me) the most TOTD-ish songs on the album, but there is that unmistakable SG stamp on it all. The start of this one reminds me of Black Hole Sun for some reason. It is obviously not a heavy song, but damn is it beautiful. Chris is so good on this album! Kim can play anything you put in front of him, there is one thing he does on this song that makes me shudder it is so good, just a little change up he throws in a few times that almost brings tears to my eyes . Rhinosaur: How can you go wrong with a song written by Matt? You can't and certainly not here. Rhinosaur IMHO is strong as shit. The riff is really unusual and kind of percussive, lots of breaks between notes. It gives the song a great feel. There is a lead-break where the riff is sped up in the foreground and a track of Kim going wild is playing in the background. Switch Opens: This was my last draft pick. It's certainly not a bad song, it just has a lot of competition :) Another from the Ben library which makes a strong showing. This song changes very distinctly between its various parts. in some places the guitar sounds almost oriental, in other places it is down-right ghostly. As i listen to it now i would rate is as something far more than a filler, but not quite up there with 'blow up' and 'tighter'. To put it in perspective; it's streets ahead of half, better than somewhere and almost as good as head down. Self-production was certainly not a problem for the boys, they do a great job. After the few listens I've had it certainly stacks up to Superunk. Kim seems to have added still more strings to his guitar-bow, Chris is even more of a lyrical God his voice is simply amazing , Ben has produced some gems of songs and Matt is either hiding 5 extra arms in his jacket or has done a deal with the devil to be able to drum like he does . 10 out of 5. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Cyberian Rhapsody From: Ben Timberlake >> I've just been to the new official SG homepage and I found a link to >> the Cyberian Rhapsody page. Unfortunately I couldn't manage to get >> much further (technical difficulties, i.e. I'm stupid) but I saw that rock >> stars were supposed to be joining the seattle symphony orchestra to >> play online the music of SG, PJ, AIC etc. What is this about? I >> haven't heard anything about this before. > >That happened in 1995. For some reason, the official page lists it in >their "New in the Superunknown" section, and the Cyberian Rhapsody >page itself lists only the month and day, not the year, on which the >event occurred, so it's kind of misleading. The Seattle Symphony >performed orchestral versions of rock songs, including Soundgarden's >"Black Hole Sun." > You can actually get those songs they played on Streamworks-the same place where we dug up those five advance clips off DOTU. I believe the Cyberian Rhapsody clips are on Radio Nowhere. I forget if they're the whole song, or just a decent clip. I would bet a clip, but I seem to remember hearing most of AIC's "I Stay Away." -- Ben Ben Timberlake "The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est, Northwestern University Pro patria mori." Medill School of Journalism -- Wilfred Owen btimlake@nwu.edu -30- *Check out my dorm's web page!* http://www.stuaff.nwu.edu/crc/ Nothing looks more guilty than an unaccused man proclaiming his innocence. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ From: Stella Rogers Subject: Thanks guys... Hi, THanks you guys for telling me what SOMMS meant and being so nice too :) Anyyyywayyys, I know what it means now so you can stop sending me the explantiones ;) - ---- srogers@fix.net http://www.geocities.com/tokyo/3923/ now also at http://members.tripod.com/~stellar/index.html ------------------------------ From: "R. Kingsnorth" Subject: (Fwd) Amsterdam club >Hey! >I was flippin' through the Let's Go Europe '96 travel guide and found mention of a club called "The Sound Garden" in Amsterdam. Is there any connection with the band or is it just a coincidence? I m headin' that way in May and would be interested in checkin' it out. .......Ok. I went interrailing last year. I heard about that club in a travel book too. We went to Amsterdam and tried for AGES to find it...and it didn't appear to be there (but I have a crap sense of direction). Apparently, it's not an exclusively sg place, but a club that plays cool rock sounds. If you can find the bloody place, that is! Beck Cecilia ------------------------------ From: "R. Kingsnorth" Subject: (Fwd) The album in my hands >Both album and vinyl will be released in Europe May 13!! ........May 13?? Does ''Europe'' include the UK (you never can be quite sure these days...)? Does this mean Kerrapp have got it wrong again???Hope so... Beck ------------------------------ From: "R. Kingsnorth" Subject: (Fwd) What The Fuck Is Wrong With Donington? >Honestly, what is so wrong with Donington? ......People are horrid and rowdy and shout and throw wee wee everywhere. Everything's wrong with Donington... .......Only joking...I've never been, but I would like to put forward the opinion that the main thing wrong with Doninton is that it always rains. That's that. > I mean Soundgarden DO fit into a >heavy metal tag/mold, even if the band don't think so. ......Soundgarden could easily fit into the Donington bill. But I don't really think NIN, Pearl Jam, STP AND SG could be all on the bill at once. Cos they're..um, well , they just couldn't. >Reading is a great festival to, but can hardly be called alternative anymore - >'alternative' has become mainstream! Can't anyone see that? ........'Metal' is alternative now. I think Reading is better than Doninton for this reason....it's a 3 day festival so the atmosphere is much stronger...better....it's like a kind of holiday... >Just because someone is into Soungarden and alternative doesn't mean that lovers >of heavier stuff can't like them too. White Zombie played both Donington and >REading (or was it Pheonix?) last year and I'd say they're more metal than SG. ......Yeah...I like WZ. You're right, you cannot pigeon hole people. I like Tom Petty as well as WZ, SG and a whole lot more... But Reading is more diverse than Doninton so you can get the 'heavy' stuff at Reading but maybe not so much 'alternative' (for want of a better word) stuff at Donington. Cos Doninton has much more of a 'tradition'. Mind you, Reading started out as a heavy metal festival.... Beck ------------------------------ Subject: Least Favourite SG Song? From: Brydon Cheyney CS95 Yeah, I know this is a harder one to choose, but does anyone out there have an SG song they don't like - or more likely just doesn't do much for them? I know I felt this way about 'Little Joe', 'Slaves and Bulldozers', and 'Ugly Truth' when I first heard them , and for the longest time it stayed that way. But now I love those three - especially 'LJ' and 'S&B'. I suppose to me 'Hand of God' still doesn't seem to be SG's finest moment, good song, but not phenomenal. 'Superunknown' was full of them when I first gave it a listen - I still maintain there's too much music to take in at once on that CD. I know it seems weird, I mean the more great music SG produce the better, but it seemed to be too much for one go. I think it would be better for bands to release more albums, putting less music on each. Unfortunately that would mean paying more and not utilising the full potential of CD, but it would mean more fresh music more often. But 'Superunknown' WAS pretty shit-hot. Ah well, can't get the best of both worlds. Just a thought. Cheers BC ------------------------------ From: never.named@thenexus.com Subject: well hello there... CH>p.s did Matt Cameron *really* sing Puberty Love in "attack of the killer CH>tomatoes"??? That's what I HEARD, at least, and I did rent the video because of that, and the credits did say Foo Cameron, but I dunno.. Puberty Love was a song designed to sound awful, it killed the tomatoes at the end of the movie :> It's a really funny movie.. it's kind of bad, but I enjoyed it.. You would too if you like silly, stupid things. But if you took Puberty Love and Sad McBain and compared them, you'd say No way in hell they're both Matt Cameron. It doesn't sound a thing like him :) He's singing in this high, falsetto voice :) But if the fan club said Matt was in Killer Tomatoes, it's probably true.. unless Soundgarden is pulling our legs again.. they're good at joking.. Overfloater ------------------------------ From: "Mercyhurst Prep Library" Subject: Re: Least Favourite SG Song? To repsond to this query about least fave Sg songs--I've NEVER cared for Flower! The song or the video! /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Mercyhurst Preparatory School Keeping you connected in 1995! /\/\/\/\/\(C)1995TMK/\/\/\/\/\/\ ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Least Favourite SG Song? From: "Matthew Lawrence" > > > Yeah, I know this is a harder one to choose, but does anyone out there have an > SG song they don't like - or more likely just doesn't do much for them? > Most of the songs on Screaming Life/Fopp aren't up to the standards of the other albums.. But from what I've heard about Little Joe live... I think the main reason I think that is because of the production not being so good.. Plus the raw fact that bands tend to improve with time... Matt ------------------------------ From: stella rogers Subject: Re: Least Favourite SG Song? At 01:04 PM 5/1/96 +0100, you wrote: >'Superunknown' was full of them when I first gave it a listen - I still maintain >there's too much music to take in at once on that CD. I know it seems= weird, I >mean the more great music SG produce the better, but it seemed to be too= much >for one go.=20 > >Cheers >BC I agree with you there. When I first got the Superunknown cd all I listened to was Black days, 4th of july, and My wave. And those were the only ones I listened to for about a month. But after a while I got used to all the songs and I love Superunknown even more then I did before. As for least favorite SG song...I dont like listening to New Damage that much from the BMF album. I wouldn't really call it my least favorite but I dunno, I just don't like listening to it as much as I do with thier other songs. =20 =97=97=97=97 srogers@fix.net http://www.geocities.com/tokyo/3923/ ------------------------------ From: jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu (grote) Subject: good idea!!! > Also, grote, i feel your pain. But could you have chosen a better > offering to the gods than a superunknown cd? Now they have to give you a > good life in return... good point...nothin' appeases the dieties above like a good musical offering, i suppose. i'll have to start carrying the rest of my soundgarden albums in my backpack at all times in case i get a surprise visit from some fiery demons o' hellfire demanding my soul in a brown paper bag. (don't ya hate it when that happens???) :) > Also, i love the way you told your story. You > should consider being a writer or a journalist or something. i'll make sure to tell my journalism professors that you said that...maybe it will earn me a few bonus points on my communications law final exam today... :) (yes, i am a journalism major/free-lance writer/etc., etc., etc...thanks for the kind words...if anyone needs any writing done at any time [prepare for the mind-boggling paradox of the day] just write me and let me know...) :) sg related...i read the message yesterday that a gentleman sent to seth saying that he had a copy of dotu... 1) how did he obtain it? 2) can we obtain it in a similar fashion? 3) if "no" to #2, then could someone find out: a) the gentleman's address, and b) the phone number for a good cat burglar??? (no connection between the two requests in "a" and "b", of course... trust me...) :) later... - -- ######################################################################## # GROTE!!!!! "I don't remember half the time # # If I'm hiding or I'm lost # # jgrotelu@herbie.unl.edu But I'm on my way....." -Chris Cornell # ######################################################################## ------------------------------ From: never.named@thenexus.com Subject: arghie... Um, while I'm strugglign to come up with some Soundgarden content for this message.. Urbano (and anyone else who's ever telneted to perfetto.albany.net): perfetto.albany.net no longer exists. The domain name is now thenexus.com Ok, I think I got it. How many people get outraged when someone tells you how much Soundgarden sucks? Usually it pisses me off, but I try to keep in mind that everyone's entitled to their own opinion.. sigh. And it would be worse if everyone just LOVED Soundgarden. The people on the list, I think, are the only people I know who like Soundgarden. :> Wel, that was lame. - -Overfloater. ------------------------------ From: Fleur Weinstock Subject: Re: arghie... On Wed, 1 May 1996 never.named@thenexus.com wrote: > How many people get outraged when someone tells > you how much Soundgarden sucks? > it would be worse if everyone just LOVED Soundgarden. > -Overfloater. > > Well, those who think Soundgarden sucks are 1) naive, 2) close-minded, 3) radically different from us, and 4) should be slaughtered. "in your heart i'd freeze"....cold bitch, sg beginning of melody of above: high komal ga, high komal re, high sa, shuddh ga, ma, pa ("on your breasts i lay my crowded head"). or, in western (since i don't have perfect pitch:) high Eb, Db, C, then E natural, F, G (or those notes transposed... anybody figure out what the exact pitches are?). ok, just fucking around...... see ya, fleur de vie ------------------------------ From: Nate Crosswhite Subject: Re: the meaning of DotU Maybe someone mentioned it already, but I didn't see it. Seems like Down on the Upside is pretty similar in form to In through the out door (or was it Out through the in door, I can never remember), the Led Zeppelin album. Just to add more speculation... Nate ------------------------------ From: John Patrick Freeman Subject: Re: Least Favourite SG Song? I think the least favorite of mine comes from litening to Ultramega Ok to many times. I have almost gotten to dislike the slower dirging (is that a word?) songs on the album like the cover of Smokestack lightening which is just to repeative. Flower also puzzles to the point of just skipping it and He said just drudges on but the rest of the ablum rocks and the reason I gotten to the point of disliking those songs is because I've listening to the album to many times. Another cover I don't like is the ones they do of Fopp and Green River's version of Swallow my pride is superior but everything else I love and the only reason I dislike the songs is because I've heard so many times. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Least Favourite SG Song? From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) >> Yeah, I know this is a harder one to choose, but does anyone out there have >> an SG song they don't like - or more likely just doesn't do much for them? I have never care for UltramegaOK and the song "Circle of Power". To me there is no control to the sound of this song. Jamie ------------------------------ From: Vassilis Theoharis Subject: screaming life & fopp Oh no! I am sad to read that some people don't like screaming life/fopp. These 2 EPs together with badmotorfinger are my favourite stuff from soundgarden. I don't think I can find a bad second (?) in these 3 albums. My least favourite soundgarden song would be definately from ultramega OK. ------------------------------ From: Jentje Subject: Sg on the radio Whoa, I'm gonna be keeping my fingers crossed for a while now. Today I decided to phone every single radio station in the Sudbury area to see if they were going to air the Soundgarden broadcast on Mai 13th. Talk about pissing me off when not only practicaly every station gave the run-around from one departement to another, but when they would ask WHO? But then finaly, the last station (actualy the one that I usualy listen to everyday) in the phone book, Q-92, actualy knew who I was talking about. Aparantly, he hasn't been made aware of the broadcast before and asked if I heard about it on tha internet (lucky guess!), the guy said he'll find out if we'll be getting that signal, and if they are, they're going to broadcast it. Yippee! Oh I hope they get it, I hope I get to hear it... Anybody on this list who is from Northern Ontario, NEVER, EVER TUNE IN TO THE MIX STATIONS! Well, that's all for now I guess, just thought I'd share my oh-so-interesting day with all of you. TOODLES! JENN 0 0 < \___/ ------------------------------ From: Jentje Subject: Help me This is pretty bad, on and on I hear you people talk about stuff like bootlegs, B-sides, SOMMS and all the other rare tapes. I have acquired every single Soundgarden item that the music stores in my town carry. they don't have any of the above mentioned and I'd like to know how and where I can get any of them. If anybody can help me out with this puh-lease let me now. TOODLES! Jenn ------------------------------ From: Karen.Hester@vuw.ac.nz Subject: the meaning of DotU > From: Justin Philip Zachariah > George Clinton long ago used the phrase Down on the Upstroke as one of the > meaningless, ultrahip contrivances that he can make cool simply by > uttering it. [snipsnipsnip] > Or perhaps SG is calling light to the fact that we are in an age of > contradiction and juxtaposition. In this way it is very similar to 'Ultramega OK', two clashing phrases which have a cool and meaningless ring to them. The band joked that they wished to name the British release 'Ultramega UK'. They're a contrary bunch, insisting on being down when all else is up. I'm sure the catchy aspect is why they chose it. And on the subject of weird cover versions, following Seth's info: > event occurred, so it's kind of misleading. The Seattle Symphony > performed orchestral versions of rock songs, including Soundgarden's > "Black Hole Sun." The Japanese/New York band (or couple of women?) Cibbo Matto (spelling?) cover Black Hole Sun in concert, lyrics translated into French. I'm not sure whether it is on their album ('Viva Woman' or something). Oh, very precise Karen, good one. k. ------------------------------ From: dao5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Random Muses Somms Bretheren, Could everyone who asked me to pick them up a copy of dothu on vinyl reply to this post. I lost all the post from the people who replied.... Nothingman, you'll have the money by saturday...... To the guy who already has dotu I am very jealous. Btw, the vinyl copy of dotu is available through advance order from cd now. Look for it under miscelaneous, and sg resources on the sg's web page. You will get it delivered to your house by fed ex on tuesday. Clown ------------------------------ From: Gail Subject: Green Jello and other stuff Hello all, First off: SHROOM, that Green Jello/Chris dream was hysterically funny. I just have one this to say to you, "You so crazy!!" Secondly: Thinking about my first Soundgarden experience/exposure always pisses me off. You see, I had a roommate who got a copy of Louder than Love from somewhere, I don't know where she got it from, she didn't buy it for herself I know that for sure. She'd never heard of SG (neither had I), so I'm thinking it was from one of her radio station friends. Anyway, she had that damn cassette for the 2 years we lived together and I think she listen to it once. When she first got it, she said it was pretty good, and I should take a listen when I got the chance. Well, between school, work, extracurricular activities and all the music I was collecting for myself, I never got around to it. I remember I would see it among her cassettes every once in a while and I'd remember she said it was it was "pretty good". Yet, the title always reminded me of the Smiths' Louder than the Bombs. And I have to admit, once or twice, I even whipped out my vinyl copy of the Smiths, after seeing that LTL cassette. Completely blowing off that cassette. The next time I became cognitive of SG was when I saw the Outshined video on MTV. I had been deeply involved in collecting Jazz and different world music, so I kind of lost touch with the popular music scene. I'd heard of the Seattle scene and I liked Nirvana and Pearl Jam, but SG wasn't getting as much airtime as those bands. So I saw the video, and went ape-shit. At the time I thought," heavy metal band, with good lyrics, and actual good singer, good music, and no fucking GLAM". I went and bought BMF. I learned they had another album before BMF, so I went to buy that. I go to the store pick up the album and I say, almost screaming, "WHAT THE FUCK!!! This is that DAMN cassette that I looked at for 2 fucking years and never listen to!!!" Needless to say, I was kinda pissed. Alas, I guess it's better late than never. love, Gail ********************************************************************** "I love it! I love it! I love it! I love it!" Blueberry Johnson - The State ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: Gregg Subject: Re: flames, bandwagons, dogs & wallets At 09:10 AM 4/25/96 -0700, caryn rose wrote: ya know, i find the endless discussions about tabs >really really really *yawn*. but i'm not a musician, and i recognize >that it may really float the boat of people trying to play sg's music. >yes, it is a HUGE pain in the butt (especially if you're on digest) to >scroll through them to see if there's any value to them besides tabs. Where the funk are these messages about tablature? I going nuts to find new stuff to learn (especially since OLGA stopped adding stuff), and now everyone's saying there are all these TAB THREADS!! WHERE?WHERE?WHERE? (especially the PN tab) I don't dig whatcha gots me hanging from.<--that's just a new spin on the words. You know what sucks? When I taped PN off the radio station, they started the next song right after chris goes "YEAH!". Even worse, the song is "Signs" by Tesla. Yecchh. Gregg --then i taped over it, and know they never play PN anymore ------------------------------ From: Geoff Subject: Re: Drugs, and other impotencies of the mind. In a Rolling Stone article from 94(?), Chris says he started doing drugs when he was 10 or 12 and had mostly quit by 15 or 16. Kim always has a beer in his hand. (Alcohol is a drug) Although it could be just the same beer. A couple articles suggest that they do go get wasted and rowdy. (Chris, Kim and interviewer in New Orleans). Geoff p.s. and anyone who where's that '90' clothing must do acid (or at least should) ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: #somms now open #somms on the undernet server is up and running. Come lag with us.... Steve - - swr@acsu.buffalo.edu - - http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~swr - - SG Web Alliance ------------------------------ From: jtm8@cornell.edu (J.T. Myers) Subject: SNL I just found out today that...I AM GOING TO THE MAY 18TH SNL!!! My friend Joe has connections there somehow and since he is a big Jim Carrey fan, he pulled some strings and got tickets. Since SG is playing there too, and he knows that I have been a huge fan of theirs for like 7 years, he asked me to go with him. I still haven't accepted the fact that I will actually be there! Just thought I'd share the news of my good fortune with everybody. --J.T. ------------------------------ From: Fleur Weinstock Subject: fuck. i'm so depressed that all these people have the album already, are going to the snl show, will be able to hear the may 13th broadcast, have somms, etc, etc... poor me, blah blah blah. does anyone know officially when we'll know the great guru tour dates of lollapalooza and when one would buy tickets? i thought that day was supposed to be today but nothing new is on the official website. fuck, fuck, fuck, time for a sg fix. stay cool, bomb! ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: regret must weigh a ton... On Wed, 1 May 1996, Landrew Scopenchild wrote: > Not that we are in dire need of a new thread, but i got an idea, and i > won't be here much longer, so i have to express it. Ok, my new question > for everyone is do you think any band resembles soundgarden? I think the > tea party resemble them in quite a few ways: the tea party is a good one, but one band which I think resembles soundgarden in some ways (no band could be the exactly the same) is living colour. they were once my favourite band, and I was really sad that they broke up . anyway, I think there are some similarities between the two. first, the absolutely striking songs they write, record and perform. both their albums are full of songs that the normal hootie or oasis fan wouldn't appreciate. both bands are so sincere about what they play, which is one reason I admire them both. whether it is soundgarden singing hands all over or living colour performing open letter to a landlord, you can almost feel the emotion. also, both bands are not only sincere in what they write, but their actual skill at writing leaves a lot of bands (imho) in their wake. there aren't many contemporary song writers who can outdo either chris cornell or vernon reid and corey glover. both groups write politically and socially aware songs, while still being able to their inner emotions and struggles. btw, both bands recorded songs about a psychotic killer on the loose (sg with mailman, lc with postman). I like to think there is a connection (besides soundgarden thanking living colour in the liner notes to louder than love). secondly, both bands display a high level of skill with their respective instruments. both soundgarden and living colour are built partly on the talents of fantastic drummers, matt cameron and will calhoun respectively. I can see a lot of similarities between the two drummers, in that they can both play *very* well, and that they both play more than just the drums. both are also accomplished song-writers, which is odd for a rock band. kim thayil is probably not as technically skilled as vernon reid, but both will tell you that defining your own style is far more important than being able to play satriani covers without missing a note. the two bassists (ben shepherd and doug wimbish) are different, but both bring an energy to their band that is vital. as for vocals, their are few more emotive lead singers than chris cornell or corey glover. both have great voices, which don't end up sounding false once they are out of the studio. I also find the same comparison as landrew did, where the members of both bands can play a number of instruments. well, that is enough pontificating and rambling by me. if you want to do yourself a favour, get a copy of stain or time's up by living colour. I have a feeling that if you like soundgarden, then you may well enjoy living colour . ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: what face would jim carrey pull for pretty noose? On Wed, 1 May 1996, J.T. Myers wrote: > I just found out today that...I AM GOING TO THE MAY 18TH SNL!!! My friend > Joe has connections there somehow and since he is a big Jim Carrey fan, he > pulled some strings and got tickets. Since SG is playing there too, and he > knows that I have been a huge fan of theirs for like 7 years, he asked me to > go with him. I still haven't accepted the fact that I will actually be we expect a full review jt, just as soon as you get over seeing them live before the rest of us do :) to the australian of the list, what do you think of a hey hey its saturday appearance by the band? I wouldn't know whether to laugh or cry :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: stella rogers Subject: Small town life sucks hi, Man I'm so pissed. I usually don't buy singles but today i really wanted to out and buy the PN single. I go to the Wherehouse (which is the only music store in town) and they didn't even have it!! I asked one of the sales clerks and he didn't even know that they released the single but he was well aware of the release for the full album. Man it just about ruined my whole day. I was really looking forward to hearing some songs. Arghh.. =97=97=97=97 srogers@fix.net http://www.geocities.com/tokyo/3923/ now also at: http://members.tripod.com/~stellar/index.html ------------------------------ From: wxs129@psu.edu (Kesa) Subject: CC face >2)Someone was talking about the BHS video. Can someone agree/disagree >with me here?: Look at the video closely (Play it slowly in AITS if you >have it), doesn't it look like Chris is making Eddie Vedder's face when he >has that close-up in the verse??? I agree with you, though I never really thought of it as an Eddie Vedder face. But now that you mention it, it kind of is. I always thought that part of the video was the best. The background is real wacky, the song sounds really funny at that part, and then he makes that silly face. "Hang my head, drown my fear...'till you all just disappear..." Anyone understand Differential Equations really well? I have a final exam tomorrow and this heat conduction and wave equation crap is killing me. Dang. Kesa Only two more days for me on the list. :( ,,,, (-_-) /_o_\ ------------------------------ Subject: Re: SNL From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) > I just found out today that...I AM GOING TO THE MAY 18TH SNL!!! > > --J.T. Hey, I just heard that SG wasn't going to be on the SNL the night of the 18th... So if you don't want those tickets anymore my address is...... Not going to fall for that one, okay how about this, Chris doesn't want any of his fans going to this show because.... What, you aren't going to believe that either.. Okay, then have a good time and don't forget to give us the whole wonderful review.. Jamie Next he'll be telling us he has front row seats... ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: STuFF >Don't any of the idiots who are bitching back and forth about the goddamned >field thread may cause Seth to say "fuck it. who needs this shit?" and shut >the list down? This may especially be true since he has now been drawn into >the fray. Here's a novel idea: All of you who are involved in this big >disagrement, >either >1)kiss and make up > or >2)take it to personal e-mail Where the hell have you been, Gregg? We HAVE stopped fighting. So thank you ever so much for nothing. By the way, I may be an "idiot"... but at least my spelling and grammar is half-assed decent. Just something to think about... And on to other stuff... >p.s. and anyone who where's that '90' clothing must do acid (or at least >should) Hey Geoff... what did you mean by this? I must have totally missed your point. And about the least favorite SG song... I'd have to go along with whoever named "Circle Of Power". I've never particularly enjoyed Hiro's voice. Does he sing in Truly? I've yet to check them out... Sorry that this isn't an amusing post people. I managed to squeeze in exactly one hour of sleep last night, and I've still got a few hours of studying left tonight. I'm in a pissy mood, and alot of it has to do with the fact that I can't find the single to PN anywhere in the metroplex. I hate people. Except for some of y'all, of course... Shroom "Who's piss-poor excuse is this for a world?" ~ Pantera ------------------------------ From: Witewatr24@aol.com Subject: CHILL/7 sins/How I Got Hooked! I said I wouldn't do it, but I'm posting again. Because I'd like to make just two points. 1. (regarding list rules) I've been here for a long time and have enjoyed all but the most bitter flame wars. Glad to see you guys getting over the last one. I agree with other people, that I've gone on and off other mailing lists due to their stifling rules. It gets fucking BORING. I would agree to a no-chain-mail rule but that's about it. Any other rules and pretty soon there will not be a need for rules since most people would unsubscribe or at least quit posting. This list is one of the best I've ever belonged to and I want that to continue. Posts on release dates and stuff are informative, and nearly all of the rest is fucking hilarious. I LIKE threads like Soundgarden Cereal and the Joy of Duct Tape. Email about bass tabs would become very boring very quickly. 2. (regarding the bandwagon thing) Some of you may be lucky to be near a band in its early stages, but some of us grew up in black holes and therefore discover bands in later stages. Yeah, I've only got one album by Corrosion of Conformity, but I got to see Janes Addiction when they were no one (same club as soundgarden, but jane's cost me $7 instead of $3!) and they seem to be earning a young base of new fans now. People's musical tastes change over time also, and in five years you may find yourself getting into a completely new sound, and in the process you may buy years-old cd's which you are just discovering. Are you on a bandwagon at that point? Nope. As for trendy people, well there's always the next big thing. Well here's what makes this an SG post (I hate rules!!!). I don't think that 'anger' and 'envy' are the last two, but I'm miles from a bible so here goes... 1. Pride - Like Suicide 2. Lust - Big Dumb Chex (uhh... I mean Sex) 3. Avarice - Fresh Tendrils 4. Sloth - Drawing Flies 5. Gluttony - Hands All Over 6. Anger - Head Down 7. Envy - Slaves and Bulldozers And how I got into SG? Well I told you guys my 1989 SG concert story but Chris Cornell spitting water in my face wasn't enough to get me into the band. Nor was Heretic on the 'Pump up the Volume', although I played that one just to bug my sister. Nope, one day in college a buddy and I were coming down from one hell of a trip, and we played Badmotorfinger over and over again on my stereo. In fact I stole the tape from him...still have it in my car! Peace. Thanks for being you, only more so. Kelly T. ------------------------------ From: wxs129@psu.edu (Kesa) Subject: Re: LOUDEST LOVE auction >Hopefully this won't seem too mercenary, but I wanted to let you all know that >I've got a copy of the LOUDEST LOVE CD for sale. It's mint, including the >metallic SG sticker that originally came with it, plus the Japanese language >booklet and English lyrics. Since this is such a rare item, I'm only taking >bids on it, starting at $100. (I know -- ouch! But read on.) > >By comparison, copies of the American BADMOTORFINGER with SOMMS are selling for >up to $60 these days, and LOUDEST LOVE is certainly rarer. > >If interested, please E-mail your bid to R.ADAMS7@GENIE.COM Uh-oh, this guy's gonna fry. Not only is he trying to auction something off (frowned upon by many members previously I seem to recall), he posted to the digest. :| Kesa ,,,, (-_-) /_o_\ ------------------------------ Subject: "Pretty Noose" single From: seth For those of you in the United States looking for the "Pretty Noose" single and getting pissed at not being able to find it, it's not worth getting mad about it. Why? Because, as was predicted several days ago, the single was NOT released here. The fan club says it will not be released before the new record comes out, if at all. Also, as many of you are finding out, record stores know nothing about it, most likely because it doesn't exist. It has been released in Europe and Australia, so if we're lucky some stores will carry it as an import. seth ------------------------------ From: Chris Mackenzie Subject: Re: Loudest Love Auction I don't think anybody would, but, $100 is a lousy price for Loudest Love, so don't get it. It is rarer than SOMMS, but SOMMS isn't as hard to find as many of you think, you just have to look, most bands don't even sell 100 000 copies of their album. The only SG items worthy of that price these days are the "Nothing To Say/Hunted Down" 7" and "Screaming Life" EP on orange vinyl. Even Seth found Loudest Love for $12 or something just recently. I had to pay $40CDN for my copy but I was desperate, I just hope nobody is this desperate... ------------------------------ Subject: Re: LOUDEST LOVE auction From: seth > Hopefully this won't seem too mercenary, but I wanted to let you all > know that I've got a copy of the LOUDEST LOVE CD for sale. It's mint, > including the metallic SG sticker that originally came with it, plus > the Japanese language booklet and English lyrics. Since this is such > a rare item, I'm only taking bids on it, starting at $100. (I know -- > ouch! But read on.) > > By comparison, copies of the American BADMOTORFINGER with SOMMS are > selling for up to $60 these days, and LOUDEST LOVE is certainly rarer. If anyone is considering bidding for this, *please* reconsider. I bought _Loudest Love_ (with the Japanese insert and spin cover) about 2 months ago for $11.99. The same store always has BMF/SOMMS for no more than $25. Don't let people rip you off. Don't let people who post to the digest rip you off. Don't let people who aren't even on the list rip you off. seth ------------------------------ From: r.adams7@genie.com Subject: LOUDEST LOVE auction Hopefully this won't seem too mercenary, but I wanted to let you all know that I've got a copy of the LOUDEST LOVE CD for sale. It's mint, including the metallic SG sticker that originally came with it, plus the Japanese language booklet and English lyrics. Since this is such a rare item, I'm only taking bids on it, starting at $100. (I know -- ouch! But read on.) By comparison, copies of the American BADMOTORFINGER with SOMMS are selling for up to $60 these days, and LOUDEST LOVE is certainly rarer. If interested, please E-mail your bid to R.ADAMS7@GENIE.COM ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 112] ****************************************