From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 27 Apr 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 02:17:17 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Saturday, 27 Apr 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Can't we all just get along? Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 24 Apr 1996 Chris and Politics (and other stuff) Listening Party SG & the 7 Deadly Sins Re: bill nye only deadly in a swarm... I think it's turning back around... SG INTERVIEW IN SPAIN new singles not donnington please? Re: I think it's turning back around... (and it's getting hairy) SOMMS CD Nebulous "Pretty Noose" single OH YES! Pretty Noose on Swedish radio Re: I think it's turning back around... Still no Lolla dates Re: I think it's turning back around... Re: Nebulous "Pretty Noose" single Re: Soundgarden what else?!? Re: listening strategies, tar heel style... Donnington '96 Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 24 Apr 1996 SE7EN Matt and Kim on Bill Nye Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 24 Apr 1996 Re: Matt and Kim on Bill Nye "Pretty Noose" Re: "Pretty Noose" Re: "Pretty Noose" Re: only deadly in a swarm... satanoscillatemymetallicsonatas SatanOscillateMyMetallicSonatas Used Music List hierarchy? I got the single My single has all the lyrics in it Re: My single has all the lyrics in it How I got into SG... by Shroom. Bill Nye Re: Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 26 Apr 1996 Influences? First name basis. I would like to try! ------------------------------------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Can't we all just get along? BT>And in such a vastly hypothetical and improbable situation, any response BT>must be taken as infeasible. What Heather says she would do cannot BT>be taken seriously, no matter how much you admire the man. BT>If I said I would go through the pope's wallet (does the pope carry a BT>wallet?) and cut a lock of his hair, it would obviously be taken as a joke, BT>and if not that, then so unlikely as to be unworthy of a response --- even BT>by the most devout Catholic. There's always going to at least one person who takes something too seriously, and being the loud-mouth sum-bitch I am, I always have to deal with it. But I don';t let those people get to me, no matter how hard they try. But then again, I don't let deaths in my family get to me. I guess I'm just a mean ol' bastard. BT>You make all these comments about Heather's statement not being a joke. BT>How do you know? Are you a mind reader? Perhaps it was a joke, or at BT>best, a hypothetical answer to a hypothetical situation. I probably would have said something like Heather did, if I would have responded to this post. But if I REALLY found him laying unconscious in a field, I wouldn't even think of it. I mean, we all say we would do something in a hypothetical situation, but most of the time it isn't anything close to what we'd really do. The first thing I would do is flash my CPR and First Aid cards in his unconscious face (just to say I did it), then I would make sure he's breathing and not in any serious danger. Then, after I found out he's ok, then I'd probably stand there in total awe, just because I have the ability to stand and my hero doesn't. BT>There was no reason for you - *especially* as the list administrator, the BT>closest thing we have to an authority figure on this list - to have BT>posted this to the list. It's like putting Heather in a public stockade. Now, even though he's the head honcho around here, doesn't mean he doesn't have an opinion. He should be treated as any other member of the list, except with the authority to kick off people. That is, unless he starts posting chain mail to the list. :) But, we as the humble members of the list he so kindly started, should be considerate enough to listen to his rules of the list. Seth has been on the list the longest (I would guess so, anyway) so we should respect him as our elder. :) BT>>It wasn't until recently that Shroom jumped in with the always-graphic BT>>conversation about Chris and we wound up with some of these threads BT>>that really contradict what the list was all about in the first place. BT>I generally take Shroom's posts with a grain of salt. I happen to not BT>worship Chris as a sex god. I think the guy's cool as shit. His music BT>gives me gigajoules of energy and brings tears to my eyes, but I can BT>take it when people treat him flippantly. It's a part of caring for anything BT>with a white-hot intensity: you must be aware that there are those who BT>will, intentionally or otherwise, pour water on it. You know, Shroom's posts wouldn't be as big of a deal if everyone wouldn't start these kind of discussions about them. At least they have to do with the band. I find them entertaining and interesting, usually, and I doubt many people would like the list if it were just about the music. I mean, after a while, the old people would be bored of it, and the new people might not be interested enough in Soundgarden to stay on a boring list. So, if we keep it entertaining, we can draw new listeners of Soundagrden into our group of "real" fans (as in, not just jumping on the bandwagon....honestly loving the music...sometimes you just have to give something besides Black Hole Sun a chance). Nothingman -And just remember, YOU put the emotion and real meaning into every post...not the writer. The writer can only convey so much through e mail. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 24 Apr 1996 SH>>The reason there is an argument about this is that there are no rules SH>>about message content, as long as it deals with Soundgarden. SH> Which is what I understood when I signed up for the list in the first SH>place. If it has SG content, it's relevant to the list. Perhaps if you're SH>planning on changing the "rules", then an "official" list of those rules SH>should be sent out to all us listers, Seth. Common courtesy, and all that.. Oh no. Don't start really strict rules on the posts. I think as long as we keep it Soundgarden related it should be ok. I joined the They Might Be Giants list, and there are so many rules on that list. If you send more than one message at a time, you get booted. But I don't post to that list, because all the people seem to have sticks up their asses and it's just not as laid back as this list. It's because of all the rules. I haven't even read the digest from that list for quite a while, because it just gets so boring sometimes. So far, I have never gotten sick of this list. It should stay this way... SH>>Shroom's fantasizing is just that -- fantasizing -- so it's easily SH>>dismissed. SH> Which as how it should be. It's all in fun. Jeez, but everything is SH>taken SO seriously on this list. And if it's "easily dismissed" then why is SH>it getting so much attention again? It's because you post things that aren't always socially acceptable (or some bullshit like that) and some people (like my mother) just can't stand that. As with anything even remotely controversial, there is going to be a lot of attention. If I wear two different colored socks, I'm gonna get a lot more attention than if I wore two of the same. Or if I joined a "Chris Cornell is the Sex God" list, and started talking about Chris and how good looking his wife is, I would get a lot of heat, most likely. It all somes down to what different people find socially acceptable, and if you step away from that norm, people will give it attention. I don't disagree with the controversial stuff being brought up, it's all this other crap that goes along with it. I usually don't post to stuff like this, and the message before this, but it just had to get out this time. Nothingman -If I were a straight woman, I would think of Chris as a sex god, too. ;) ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Chris and Politics (and other stuff) U0>Now half the list is taken up with flame wars. I think you should all U0>take a pill and calm down. It really isn't good for your blood pressure U0>to get all worked up over someone posting that they find Chris U0>attractive. Amen. This is what I've been trying to say, just in a more complicated, round about way. Just so you know... Nothingman -What if you found Kim unconscious in a field? ------------------------------ Subject: Listening Party From: Ben Timberlake Do any of the Chicago area listers know of a listening party today (Friday 4/26)? Some guy who worked at BB Music said that there was one, but when I called the store, they claimed ignorance. I would definitely go if there was one. -- Ben Ben Timberlake "The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est, Northwestern University Pro patria mori." Medill School of Journalism -- Wilfred Owen btimlake@nwu.edu -30- *Check out my dorm's web page!* http://www.stuaff.nwu.edu/crc/ "And I don't like what you've got me hangin' from." -- Chris Cornell, "Pretty Noose" ------------------------------ Subject: SG & the 7 Deadly Sins From: Ben Timberlake 1. Pride - Power Trip 2. Lust - Big Dumb Sex 3. Avarice - Power Trip 4. Sloth - Let Me Drown 5. Gluttony - ? 6 Wrath - Mind Riot 7 Greed - Into The Void (Sealth): Actually argues _against_ this sin. This is an interesting topic, but somewhat limiting. I don't think that Soundgarden sings in general about sins. (Not to say that that's what the originator meant) Rathere, I think a lot of their (at least later) songs are about Individualism, freedom, and a cycle of transgression/redemption. My Wave: individualism that succeeds Head Down: individualism that fails TDITTL: ditto Kickstand: success Mind Riot: Redemption/freedom (Dammit, that's a good song) Rusty Cage: Freedom Outshined: Redemption/Freedom Soundgarden cleanses me. It allows me to explode and vent the rage that builds up all too often within me. Their music's overall personal theme for me is catharsis. -- Ben Ben Timberlake "The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est, Northwestern University Pro patria mori." Medill School of Journalism -- Wilfred Owen btimlake@nwu.edu -30- *Check out my dorm's web page!* http://www.stuaff.nwu.edu/crc/ "And I don't like what you've got me hangin' from." -- Chris Cornell, "Pretty Noose" ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: bill nye At 10:28 PM 4/25/96 -0400, you wrote: >tell caryn which one it was, she said something about knowing someone who >could get her copies of any episode. and on that note, THANK YOU to everyone who wrote & told me which one it was. I went to the web site and double-checked it (the bill nye web site that is -- no neat pix or info, don't panic) and sent email to the woman i work with who used to write shows for them. *if* she can get me a copy of the tape, i'll be glad to make a few copies for people BUT don't write me now and ask since i don't have it yet and i get so much fucking email that i'll lose it before i get it.... :) - --caryn ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: only deadly in a swarm... On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, onefellswoop wrote: > > 4th of July strikes me as so apocalyptic. In fact there is a lot of > > apocalyptic imagery on the album. Anyone else notice this? Black Hole > > Sun is the same thing. both bhs and fourth of july seem to me to deal with apocolypse, but apocalypse coming from two different sources. the lyrics to fourth of july suggest to me the coming of nuclear destruction, the first verse about the process of nuclear power being generated (shower in the dark day, clean sparks diving down, cool in the waterway), the second the war itself (and everywhere no-one cares the fire is spreading), and the last about the survivors of the nuclear conflict (even though chris said that the song is about taking acid). on the other hand, black hole sun (imho) deals with a different apocalypse altogether: that of judgement night. the lyrics sound to me like chris wants some spiritual force to come and get rid of all the garbage in the world. lines like 'won't you come, and wash away the rain' or 'times are gone for honest men' give me that impression. limo wreck and new damage are a lot like these songs also, where chris thinks or imagines the whole world coming to an end (at least that is how I interpret them) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: I think it's turning back around... On Thu, 25 Apr 1996 ShRooMGrLz@aol.com wrote: > Heather has made some wonderful contributions to the list. She's an > intelligent and groovy person, and she REALLY didn't deserve to get flamed by > Blind Dog for her response to that thread. Just because Blind Dog has helped > Seth with the page doesn't make him some kind of God. If he's going to flame > someone who doesn't deserve it... then he's gonna get flamed back. I didn't think that my post was a personal flame. I was merely pointing out that her idea to waltz up and cut off some of chris cornell's hair was (imho) a dumb idea. the post (if you were to read it) was purely and entirely personal opinion. it was not meant to begin a flame war, but you and heather saw fit to start calling names. no, I don't think I'm a god, and I'm sure ross doesn't think so either. I would have been perfectly happy to entertain any and all replies to my post privately, but I guess you couldn't help yourself. > as hell aren't going to stop, unless Seth steps in and says we can't talk > about it. But as Chris IS a member of SG, then the threads ARE relevant to you really don't think that most posts to somms should in some way concern soundgarden music shroom? there aren't many lists who allow as much leeway as this one has in the past. seth has not really defined any terms of agreement as per what should and shouldn't be said on the list, and that has probably slowed us down a little. little joe and I are currently completing the faq sheet for seth's page, on which he is going to set out some clear boundaries on what should be posted. I don't know exactly what he is going to put in there, so it could go either way. if he feels that posts such as yours and heather's are ok, then I'll live with that. but if he says that it's unacceptable (and as the list creator, maintainer and pope he has more right than anyone to judge on those sorts of matters, and surely everyone can see that), then I hope you can deal with it. I've posted this to the list because I think it involves everyone. some rules are going to be made, and we all have to either live by them or get the hell out. just one more point. this is the internet, understood by all to be the bastion of free speech and zero censorship. but I'm afraid that by their very nature, mailing lists cannot be founded on this. I'm sure you all understand that a mailing list is created with one overall design: to talk about a particular topic of common interest. our topic of interest is soundgarden. imho, if you feel that you have the right to post about any small thing or big thing that passes through your brain on a mailing list, then you are missing the point. free speech only works to a certain extent on a mailing list, and especially on a musical mailing list such as this one (ie. what the hell has oats squaring off against wheaties got to do with soundgarden?). also, this list has a fairly long history behind it. if you can't abide by that history, then maybe you are in the wrong place. any private and direct comments welcome. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Subject: SG INTERVIEW IN SPAIN From: "SANCHEZ MORTE, FCO. JOSE" URBANO Wrote: >No la podrias grabar y luego nos la mandas???? >Estaria bien ponerla en >la pagina para que todos la puedieramos ver >no????? Hola Urbano! Soy Paco de Zaragoza (Espana) Como van las cosas por Mexico? La semana pasada grabe la entrevista con Chris Cornell en una cinta casette. Yo solo tengo un Macintosh no se si es posible enviar el contenido de la cinta casette. Chris hablo de muchas cosas relacionadas con el nuevo disco, opino sobre los discos de OASIS y SMASHING PUMKINS, tambien contesto a preguntas realizadas por los oyentes del programa y eligio las canciones del nuevo disco que queria que se emitieran ese dia durante la entrevista (Pretty Noose, Applebite, No attention, Burden in my hand) Un saludo Francisco J. Sanchez Morte psanchez@MSF.UNIZAR.ES ------------------------------ From: Stuart Davies Subject: new singles having just read melody maker i have found out that on may 6 two discs of pretty noose will be released the first featuring jerry garcia's fingers and possibly something else and the second will contain an unkind ,applebite and interview with eleven's alain and somebody else i can't remember is this a track or what? also smashing pumpkins have announced an extra date on may 18 at brixton academy in london Stuart Davies ------------------------------ From: Stuart Davies Subject: not donnington please? i don't know whether you lot know this but when you talk about donnington you are talking about what in my eyes is one of those sad go and shag some rock chicks , throw plastic bottles full of piss about , talk about weed and how you got stoned etc. basically not in keeping with sg's style reading is and always will be more of their style and has more bands that i would like so i will cry if they play donnington lets hope they play reading instead Stuart Davies ------------------------------ From: Fleur Weinstock Subject: Re: I think it's turning back around... (and it's getting hairy) What the fuck is this about "rules" and "censorship" on a mailing list? I think you guys haven't been listening to soundgarden ENOUGH if you starting to bring in ideas of who should keep their mouth shut when. Of course, as already said, I agree with Seth's post concerning all this stuff, but nonetheless I believe that was only a recommendation and a communication not a laying down of fucking RULES. What the hell, aren't we going for true expression? Haven't you listened to enough lyrics that screamed at you about the world which cuts off people's tongues and limits freedom of speech and limits self-expression? This is Soundgarden we're talking about, not some anal retentive band that makes music according to a formula. Therefore, I am very much hoping that any communications involving what people are allowed to say on this (having something remotely and vaguely or deeply to do with sg.....) will be at best strong recommendations and not fucking laws. so now a little words from our sponsors: "for all of your kisses turned to spit in my face for all that reminds me which is my place for all of the times when you made me disappear this time i'm sure you will know that i'm here" ---who else but? please, let's not kick the dog while it's down, or whatever. give shroom and heather a break and stop talking like you want a put a gun to people's expression. - ----fleur de vie weinstock ------------------------------ From: mmateo@wagner.edu Hey guys, I'm new on this, but I was wondering if I could be introduced to everybody. My name is really Matt, I dfon't really know what name to go under, any suggestions?? Anyway, I was just wondering if anybody here knew how I could get my hands on any Soundgarden or Pearl Jam imports or rare tracks? I would appreciate the info. As for the new SG, what is he trying to say, I can only make a few words out, I beginning to believe that Chris is talkin' about an ex-girlfriend, huh? ------------------------------ From: DKAASC@tevm2.nsc.com Subject: SOMMS CD FROM: Kazam Ali Personal Computer/Network Specialist Computer and Network Support SUBJECT: SOMMS CD Hey guys, Got some great news! I found SOMMS!!! I just thought I'd share that with you all, but how I got it is the cool thing.....All I did was do a "rare compact disc" search in Netscape and hit all the record stores that it listed. I have to admit that there are more places than I thought that had SOMMS. One place had if for 65 bucks, but the place I bought it from only charged me $20. I can pretty much guarantee you guys can find it if you're persistent enough. It only took me a friggin' WEEK to get through all the search results.....!! Happy hunting. Kazam "The key to immortality is first living a life worth remembering." - Brandon Bruce Lee Feb. 1, 1965 - Mar. 31, 1993 \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ------------------------------ From: James B Hawken Subject: Nebulous "Pretty Noose" single Has anyone else on the list had trouble finding the new SG "Pretty Noose" single?? Every major music store I've talked to claims that it doesn't even exist, and the only new SG release is the whole album on May 21st. I mean, I've been talking to chain places (Sam Goody, National Record Mart, etc.), you'd think that these guys would know what's going on- I guess I'll just have to pine away until May 21... Jim ------------------------------ From: cs95ajs@brunel.ac.uk Subject: OH YES! OH FUCKING YES! I've finally got my computer to run AITS and it's fucking excellent! The only problem I have is that I can't get the jukebox to work because the driver isn't working or something - any ideas? help would be greatly appreciated! Andy (P.S Nothingman, whats the T-Shirt situ? sorry to ask but I just got back and don't have to time to wade thru the 100's of posts which are filling my quota!) ------------------------------ From: el@algonet.se (Erik) Subject: Pretty Noose on Swedish radio Dig this, they played PN on national Radio today. I know you all dont give a shit about that but it was reviewed on the program. The radio-program is called "Flip or Flop" and there are always three famous Swedish musicsians on the show. They listen to 3 new songs and try to predict if the songs are going to be hits. They are usually right but this time they made a big misstake IMHO. They thought PN was NOT going to be a hit. I think it easily could make a third place on the singlelist and when the album is released it is going to be nr.1 on the albumlist. RATM was nr.1 for a week so why not. Oh, and the stupid musicians said that they liked Black Hole Sun but I guess that is the only SG song they have ever heard. Comments on this anyone? Erik ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: I think it's turning back around... Blind Dog writes: >I didn't think that my post was a personal flame. I was merely >pointing out that her idea to waltz up and cut off some of chris cornell's >hair was (imho) a dumb idea. the post (if you were to read it) was purely >and entirely personal opinion. That's fine, Justin. But would you be so kind in the future as to consider other peoples feelings when you choose to insult their posts? What was the point of doing it on the list? Couldn't you have just kept the insults to private e-mail? Honestly... I can't see how claiming that someone's idea is "dumb" in front of the whole list isn't a personal flame. >it was not meant to begin a flame war, but >you and heather saw fit to start calling names. I never called you any names. I just said that you were too serious. And c'mon, Justin... insulting someone publicly is liking begging for a flame war. Think about it. Your insult wasn't much better than calling names, either. Dumb, Justin? Yah... that's waaaay above grade-school taunts. >I would have been perfectly happy to entertain any >and all replies to my post privately, but >I guess you couldn't help yourself. Why is it that you think that you can just insult someone publicly, and then not expect a public response to it? If you would have kept your insults private, then the replies would have been private, also. >you really don't think that most posts to somms should in >some way concern soundgarden music shroom? Of course most of the posts to the page should concern the music, Justin. And if you'll notice, there is an abundance of music related posts. >there aren't many lists who allow as >much leeway as this one has in the past. Which is, IMHO, what makes this list the best one ever. >seth has not really defined any terms of agreement as per what >should and shouldn't be said on the list, >and that has probably slowed us down a little. If that's how you feel about it, fine. But I don't think that we've been "slowed down" at all. And what exactly have we been slowed down from? Is there some kind of destination we should be looking for? >little joe and I are currently completing the faq sheet for >seth's page, on which he is going to set out some clear boundaries on >what should be posted. I don't know exactly what he is going to put in >there, so it could go either way. if he feels that posts such as yours >and heather's are ok, then I'll live with that. but if he says that it's >unacceptable (and as the list creator, maintainer and pope he has more >right than anyone to judge on those sorts of matters, and surely everyone >can see that), then I hope you can deal with it. Seth has already stated MANY times that there are two cardinal rules on this list. 1. No chain letters. 2. No posting consistently off-topic. That has been spelled out to me by the man, himself. And I sincerely appreciate his being so open-minded about it. But if he decides to change the rules now... there's nothing I (or anybody else) can do about it, now is there? I'll have to deal with it. As will everyone else. But somehow I get the feeling that this won't be a very happy list anymore... >some rules are going to be >made, and we all have to either live by them or get the hell out. My, but aren't we the forceful one? It almost appears as though you have exclusive rights to the list. There's 400+ of us here, Justin. Perhaps before any rules are changed, then some kind of poll should be done... so we can see what the general consensus of the list is. That sounds fair, I think. >just one more point. this is the internet, understood by all to >be the bastion of free speech and zero censorship. but I'm afraid that by >their very nature, mailing lists cannot be founded on this. I'm sure you >all understand that a mailing list is created with one overall design: to >talk about a particular topic of common interest. our topic of interest >is soundgarden. That is understood perfectly, Justin. The Soundgarden Mailing list. It's kind of hard to miss... >imho, if you feel that you have the right to post about >any small thing or big thing that passes through your brain on a mailing >list, then you are missing the point. free speech only works to a certain >extent on a mailing list, and especially on a musical mailing list such >as this one (ie. what the hell has oats squaring off against wheaties >got to do with soundgarden?). Opinions... that's what this is all coming down to, isn't it? Your opinion is that only SG's music should be discussed. My opinion is that anything concerning SG can be discussed. I can understand your disgust with the oats vs. wheaties post. But that has already been chastised and dismissed. >also, this list has a fairly long history >behind it. if you can't abide by that history, then maybe you are in the >wrong place. A history of what? Flame wars? Just kidding... Seriously though, Justin, we ARE all discussing SG's music. The other posts are just for fun. If you're upset about having to delete posts, then I'm sorry. But how long does that take? A couple seconds? Are you really that miserly that you would deny some of us listers the enjoyment we get out of our fun posts, just because you have to take a minute to delete posts you don't care to read? That's not very fair, in my opinion. Can't you be a little generous here, Justin? It would be extremely appreciated. Shroom ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... *** Chris Cornell ------------------------------ From: ansel@morgan.com Subject: Still no Lolla dates I posted earlier this week that Q104.3 NY was going to announce official Lolla dates today. Well, to the stations dismay, they've received nothing from the Lolla organizers. I called Lolla at 213-653-0188 and they do expect a final itinerary by the end of next week. We'll see. -Vikki :( ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: I think it's turning back around... On Fri, 26 Apr 1996, blind dog wrote: > you really don't think that most posts to somms should in some way > concern soundgarden music shroom? there aren't many lists who allow as > much leeway as this one has in the past. with all due respect, i don't think that's accurate. i'm not trying to impune your experience on the net, but i've been on many, many lists, and i run two right now. the only thing i've ever banned is *&^% virus postings, personal boot lists and outright abuse, racism or sexism. on the other hand, i fully agree with you when you say that this is seth's list, therefore he fully has the right to mandate the type of list it is and to set out guidelines for posts. *HOWEVER*, he has not done so, and until he does, people can post as they like within the existing guidelines. it's not easy to be the boss, it's not easy to set down rules and stick to them. i know seth has the best intentions of the list at heart and i will support him in his decision. if i don't think i can stay on the list within his new guidelines, then the choice is really simple: leave. no one forces you to stay on this list. i don't know what i'm trying to say *shrug* - --caryn ------------------------------ From: El Mooso Subject: Re: Nebulous "Pretty Noose" single On Fri, 26 Apr 1996, James B Hawken wrote: > Has anyone else on the list had trouble finding the new SG "Pretty > Noose" single?? Every major music store I've talked to claims that it > doesn't even exist, and the only new SG release is the whole album on > May 21st. I mean, I've been talking to chain places (Sam Goody, > National Record Mart, etc.), you'd think that these guys would know > what's going on- I guess I'll just have to pine away until May 21... > > Jim > Well yes, surprisingly 'cos I don't think its made an appearance in the UK yet (grumble grumble). Incidentally does anyone know if the album is coming out on this side of the pond at the same time, or will we have to wait even longer? El Mooso. ------------------------------ From: Gregg Subject: Re: Soundgarden what else?!? At 04:36 PM 4/22/96 CST, David_H._Steinhage@nrunner.mil.wi.us wrote: >Whoah. I could totally relate to Maritza's message. I didn't completely agree >with John's reply....Every band wants to make alot of money. Appealing to the >majority is an easy way to do that. Although Kim Thayil said that alternative >was "moving closer to SG", that is not completely true...SG DID get a little >softer, and I fear they will sell out soon...And then SG will lose its >uniqueness. WEll, that's the way it goes. Anybody here like RUSH at all? Ummm....I take it you didn't hear "Pretty Noose" yet. Gregg > > > > ------------------------------ From: Gregg Subject: Re: listening strategies, tar heel style... At 11:31 PM 4/23/96 EDT, rc@gcc.cc.md.us wrote: >But a lot of times, the music is accentuated by the lyrics, so knowing >what a song is about (or at least knowing what he is saying) helps the >music along. I usually read the lyrics in the mall right after I buy >it. Or at least some of them. It's funny how I can get a meaning out >of a song before ever hearing it, and then when I hear it, the singer >will sing it a different way, or phrase it differently, and it will >have a totally different meaning. That makes it interesting. Yeah, 4th of July suddenly had so much more meaning when i found that it was about a nuclear holocaust. Gregg ------------------------------ From: Grant Asher Subject: Donnington '96 Given that Donnington is usually in July/August isn't it pretty unlikely that Soundgarden will be playing since they'll have just finished the Lolla tour. Of course, the most compelling evidence against a SG appearance is that the rumour was printed in Kerrang! Grant Asher P.S. Hope I'm wrong. P.P.S. Hope I'm right about Donnington - then SG could play the Reading festival instead. (Pleeeeease) ------------------------------ From: Foxymophandlemama <76345.3722@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 24 Apr 1996 ok, ok, ok... first, i want to say that deb must have read my mind b/c what she said was what i was gonna say but she beat me to it-- good job girl! i agree w/ you 110% i've tried really hard the past couple of days to keep my modem shut during this flame war, thinking it would start to calm down after a few harsh comments, apparantly not. and then when seth got involved and you guys started arguing with him over it, i decided enough was enough. so here i am, jumping on the flaming bandwagon adding my 2 pesos. i can see where seth is coming from... to an extent. it is HIS list and he reserves the right to do basically whatever he wants with it. and i can see how he would want the threads to remain SG related. and how he would want to keep these incidents to a bare minimum, *however*, i have seen nothing wrong in anything either shroom or heather have posted. we all know that chris is very much aware of his sexuality, he's known that since SG's inception, and if he's going to flaunt it, flaunt it, but you've gotta realize that if he does (which he has) every girl's tongue is going to want to be up there...... it's called lust, and it's ingrained in every person i've ever met. so how can you guys sit here and tell us that you want to keep the discussions SG related? they fucking are SG related. and even if all we did was talk about the meanings of the songs, we'd STILL be talking about chris and sex. it's that simple. as for blind dog, i have a lot of respect for him, but i don't think he was entitled to chew the shit out of heather because of something she said. none of us will ever agree on everything, hell, we STILL can't decide on the damn shirt! how about this for a new thread to calm everyone down a bit: what drew you to SG, and why? out of the kazillions of bands out there, what's so special about SG to you? for me, it's the fact that i can sit down put on any SG and *just listen* they're the only band i can listen to without having to be doing something. it's in the way everything fits together so perfectly-- they move me. they're the only band who makes me cry the first time i hear the new single b/c i'm so excited. the way chris' voice lends itself to the rest of the music. i'm convinced that for some reason, god thought he'd have some fun and put the most talented musicians in rock history in the same band, so people like us could enjoy life a little more. wow, i'm being so uneloquent tonight, oh well, i'm tired. i need some iced tea....... ummm, oh yeah, wasn't the theme of this list: damn right i'm argumentive? just checking. with all my love, moppy ------------------------------ From: mailer-daemon Subject: SE7EN Subject: SG & the 7 deadly sins > of the pieces is someone's musical interpretation of the Seven Deadly > Sins, and it kind of made me think that it would be an interesting thread > to start among this list. ...and you'd be right, it IS a pretty cool thread! This is one of the best I've seen in a while! Here's my picks : > 1. Pride "Flower" : to me this song (sorta) is about a girl that is really really full of herself... or "Jesus Christ Pose" : deals with people who think they are more important than everyone else... > 2. Lust "Big Dumb Sex" : what else??? :) well, that's just physical lust, the most important kind... :) but I suppose that lust for other things, like money or power, would fall under Greed or Envy... 3. Avarice "Power Trip" : the need to be in command of everything... 4. Sloth hmmm... "Outshined", maybe? kind of about being down, having no desire to change anything... I feel like there's a better example, but whatever it is, it escapes me right now... 5. Gluttony "Hands All Over", if just for the title... implies taking more than what is offered... ("hands all over the inland forest, in a striking motion trees fall down like dying soldiers"... see what I mean? BTW, in case anyone cares, that above line is one of my all-time favorite lines of lyrics, not just SG, but any band's...) "Fresh Tendrils", too... ("give me little bits of more than I can take") > 6. 7. SHIT !!! I'm pretty sure that this isn't one... but I guess that "Exit Stonehenge" would be the winner here... 6. Anger there are several I thought of for this, but the one that keeps coming back is "Mailman"... "Gun" was a close second... "Kyle Petty" finished thrid... 7. Envy. maybe "Power Trip" again... he is using the word "want" a lot, implying that he wants to be what others are... there has to be a better one here too, but for now "Power Trip" was the most relevant one I could come up with... ODD SG QUESTION BELOW... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Every once and a great while I'll turn on eMpTyV just to see what's on, hoping maybe to see the new SG video... anyway, have any of you guys seen the vid for "Who Will Save Your Soul?" by Jewel? Cuz there's this one scene in it that shows a guy and a girl kissing in a bathroom stall, and the guy looks a LOT like Chris Cornell... 'cept the guy in the video has pretty much a full beard... still a resemblance though... OK. I'm done. I'm curious to see what songs everyone else lists in the "Seven Deadly Sins" dept... Kevin ------------------------------ From: SoundGrdn3@aol.com Subject: Matt and Kim on Bill Nye I don't know who it was that was commenting on SG on Bill Nye, but I think that it might be true. My brother said that they had one of those music video parodies of one of Soundgarden's songs. Also, Bill Nye films or does sound or something at Bad Animals studio, and Soundgarden records there, so it is very possible. I've been to Bad Animals. It was cool. Anyway, if anyone finds out what episode it was, let me know, then I can check the TV listings and tape it. Matt rules!!! (They all do!) -Soundgrdn3 "Feed Yourself." -Adam Czeisler, SWEET WATER (Have any of you heard Sweet Water?) ------------------------------ From: Fleur Weinstock Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 24 Apr 1996 Wonderful message, mopha, or whatever your name is (sorry). OK, but thanks so much, for putting the old THREAD to bed (don't get too high on that line) and starting a new one: her question was : how'd we get into soundgarden in the first place? which is a great question!!! well, first of all, the name is compelling enough for anyone who's really into sound and music. the beautiful thing is is that as soon as you hear a song you realize the band really is a garden of sound, especially if you listen or go to one of the concerts. They throw in all this wacky stuff for your ears and it's beautiful. Soundgarden is great because they are such an individual to themselves, i mean: the band has such a great individual identi , yet they totally complement (or upgrade, or give something worthy to) the whole rock scene. And, i must tell you folks that i think chris cornell is kind of an enlightened fellow. but, naturally, we're talking about the whole band: so, well, i think it's a pretty fucking enlightened band! also, i love them because i think they are intensely hard-core, which, i must tell you, turns me on (in a kazillion ways, not just sexually) in a big way. and, listening to them makes me happy... i could go on forever, but i won't, since i've been posting too much anyway... great thread; put the old one to bed. - --fleur de vie "pretty noose".......sg ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: Matt and Kim on Bill Nye let's go through this again: 1) SG *were* on bill nye. a lot of us saw it. 2) there's a bill nye web site with summaries of episodes that also confirms it. 3) the topic/subject was (duh!) "sound" 4) some pbs stations rerun bill nye episodes - there's a pbs web site that has individual station schedules, check www.pbs.org if you're that interested 5) i think i can get a master copy of the tape froma friend who used to work for the show. if it happens, i'll let the list know. - --caryn On Fri, 26 Apr 1996 SoundGrdn3@aol.com wrote: > I don't know who it was that was commenting on SG on Bill Nye, but I think > that it might be true. My brother said that they had one of those music video > parodies of one of Soundgarden's songs. Also, Bill Nye films or does sound or > something at Bad Animals studio, and Soundgarden records there, so it is very > possible. I've been to Bad Animals. It was cool. Anyway, if anyone finds out > what episode it was, let me know, then I can check the TV listings and tape > it. Matt rules!!! (They all do!) > > > > > > > > > -Soundgrdn3 > "Feed Yourself." -Adam Czeisler, SWEET WATER > (Have any of you heard Sweet Water?) > > ------------------------------ Subject: "Pretty Noose" From: seth Well, what do you know? All the harassment of the official Web people has paid off (kind of). They've added the "Pretty Noose" lyrics, and this is what they say: I caught the moon today Pick it up and throw it away, all right I got the perfect steal A cleaner love with a dirty feel, all right Fallout and take the bait Eat the fruit and kiss the snake goodnight Common ruse, dirty face Pretty noose is pretty hate And I don't like what you got me hanging from (3x) Let your motor race Pick it up and get this mother gone Out from far away The wooden stake this thing has got me on Diamond rope, silver chain Pretty noose is pretty pain And I don't like what you got me hanging from (4x) Common ruse, dirty face Pretty noose is pretty hate I don't care what you got I don't care what you need I don't want anything And I don't like what you got me hanging from (6x) There's some of this that still doesn't strike me as true. For example, I hear more than two syllables where the official lyrics say "Our from" (as in "Out from far away"). It still sounds like "I've fallen far away" to me. Does anyone have other problems with the lyrics? seth ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: "Pretty Noose" I agree, it sounds like there are more than 2 syllables in that line, but it sounds like he says "Out from and far away", although that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Otherwise they appear to be right on the mark. Good work Seth, on your fine harassment. Geoff On Fri, 26 Apr 1996, seth wrote: > Well, what do you know? All the harassment of the official Web people > has paid off (kind of). They've added the "Pretty Noose" lyrics, and > this is what they say: > > > I caught the moon today > Pick it up and throw it away, all right > I got the perfect steal > A cleaner love with a dirty feel, all right > Fallout and take the bait > Eat the fruit and kiss the snake goodnight > > Common ruse, dirty face > Pretty noose is pretty hate > > And I don't like what you got me hanging from (3x) > > Let your motor race > Pick it up and get this mother gone > Out from far away > The wooden stake this thing has got me on > > Diamond rope, silver chain > Pretty noose is pretty pain > > And I don't like what you got me hanging from (4x) > > Common ruse, dirty face > Pretty noose is pretty hate > > I don't care what you got > I don't care what you need > I don't want anything > > And I don't like what you got me hanging from (6x) > > > There's some of this that still doesn't strike me as true. For > example, I hear more than two syllables where the official lyrics say > "Our from" (as in "Out from far away"). It still sounds like "I've > fallen far away" to me. Does anyone have other problems with the > lyrics? > > seth > > ------------------------------ From: Fleur Weinstock Subject: Re: "Pretty Noose" man, thank jesus for seth! feeding the hungry and the poor. see below for additional comments: On Fri, 26 Apr 1996, seth wrote: > this is what they say: > > Let your motor race > Pick it up and get this mother gone > Out from far away > The wooden stake this thing has got me on > > There's some of this that still doesn't strike me as true. For > example, I hear more than two syllables where the official lyrics say > "Our from" (as in "Out from far away"). It still sounds like "I've > fallen far away" to me. Does anyone have other problems with the > lyrics? > > seth > - ------About the lyrics, I don't remember exactly how it goes in the song (I've only managed to catch it twice), but I don't know if you've noticed that often the words written out in an sg album book won't necessarily be exactly the ones sung, 'cause of cc's improvisation or whatever. it might be a case of that... man, i can't wait for this album. thanks all, fleur de vie ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: only deadly in a swarm... Hey, where did you hear that 4th of July is about acid? To me, Fresh Tendrils sounds like it is about acid, but I never would have guessed 4th of July was about it. Geoff On Fri, 26 Apr 1996, blind dog wrote: > On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, onefellswoop wrote: > > > > 4th of July strikes me as so apocalyptic. In fact there is a lot of > > > apocalyptic imagery on the album. Anyone else notice this? Black Hole > > > Sun is the same thing. > > both bhs and fourth of july seem to me to deal with apocolypse, > but apocalypse coming from two different sources. the lyrics to fourth of > july suggest to me the coming of nuclear destruction, the first verse > about the process of nuclear power being generated (shower in the dark > day, clean sparks diving down, cool in the waterway), the second the war > itself (and everywhere no-one cares the fire is spreading), and the last > about the survivors of the nuclear conflict (even though chris said that > the song is about taking acid). > > on the other hand, black hole sun (imho) deals with a different > apocalypse altogether: that of judgement night. the lyrics sound to me > like chris wants some spiritual force to come and get rid of all the > garbage in the world. lines like 'won't you come, and wash away the rain' > or 'times are gone for honest men' give me that impression. > > limo wreck and new damage are a lot like these songs also, where > chris thinks or imagines the whole world coming to an end (at least that > is how I interpret them) > > ----------------------------------- > a thousand doors, a thousand lies > rooms a thousand years wide > ----------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: satanoscillatemymetallicsonatas I've been keeping track of somms-owning somms-list-members and as of 2pm, April 20, 1996, there are 37 list members that own somms, that I know about. If anybody else has a copy, email me preferably with the word SOMMS in the subject. I'll only count genuine copies, and assume they are on CD unless you tell me. (there are some on vinyl I believe) A name followed by (+1) indicates that that person also know people who own it. I know one person myself. A number in brackets without a '+' indicates that they own that number of copies. Clear? I hope so. See you down on the upside.... (list of somms owners follows) The list of owners includes: Laughing Boy Kelly Christa Jones Seth (+3) (including 1 radio-only promo) Chris Mackenzie euphoric Aaron Jennifer L. York (+2) B. Kinser Cornell Vikki Lee James Ingram Little Joe Blind Dog Stephen Fox (2) (including special somms-only copy given to radio stations) Myself (Geoff Kleemola)(+1) Dwayne Bryant Dallis Toybox Caryn Rose Chris Farley (2) John Freeman Eric Gardner HasNoName Audrey Hillyard Jizzwack Nate Crosswhite nancy e phend Eric Lanning OponFam Kerri Char Saracen Stuart Davies Alyssa Kent Alex (BrthRitual@aol.com) Darren L Kochersperger Kazam Ali -Geoff ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: SatanOscillateMyMetallicSonatas You might have noticed that my update on the somms-owners on the list attributed the incorrect date. It should have said "as of 9pm April 26". If you did not notice, then disregard this message. Later, Geoff ------------------------------ Subject: Used Music From: Ben Timberlake Well, I hit about six used places in Chicago today and made some decent finds. No SOMMS, which I was mainly after. I described it to the store guy as "sort of a holy grail for Soundgarden lovers. I did find Superuninterview for $24.99 So I bought that. I hope it's worth it. I probably should have consulted other listers first, but oh well. I also found a Screaming Life Vinyl (used) for $8.99. It looked like it was in pretty good condition, but I shied away from moving into the vinyl arena. This store had a bunch of SG vinyl stuff: colored vinyl, singles, etc. I don't know how rare those are, but I thought they were cool to see. I also watched Motorvision for the first time last night. I wasn't quite in my right state of mind, but it definitely rocked, so I dubbed it on tape and can now listen to it on my walkman (if that guy whose car I left my walkman in ever gets back from jazz fest). -- Ben Ben Timberlake "The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est, Northwestern University Pro patria mori." Medill School of Journalism -- Wilfred Owen btimlake@nwu.edu -30- *Check out my dorm's web page!* http://www.stuaff.nwu.edu/crc/ "And I don't like what you've got me hangin' from." -- Chris Cornell, "Pretty Noose" ------------------------------ From: OponFam@aol.com Subject: List hierarchy? I guess since I'm a relative newcomer to this list I must have missed something in the past regarding Heather's posts, because I found her Chris unconscious post to be totally harmless. What is the big uproar about? I get the feeling that she's being harassed for a reason other than this post, and since I don't rank as an "original" member I don't have a clue what that may be. I agree with Ben that you shouldn't have gotten involved with this one, Seth. Blind Dog wasn't the one getting flamed, in the beginning, and I felt that this heroic defense of him was unnecessary. I do feel that Heather and Blind Dog should have taken this fight to personal email, since their flames seem pretty personally motivated. I don't buy that BlindDog's devotion to SG brought on this attack. But none of that matters. What matters is that we all have the right to disagree with each other, and to say so if we do. But to be vicious and hateful is wrong, since everyone's opinion and thoughts are valid whether we agree with them or not. I love this list and, as Deb has said, it already feels like family. Cliche as it is, can't we just agree to disagree, and discuss things like civilized human beings? > yes, the list is for the discussion of the music, but >i think that >many people here will agree with me that one of the >reasons they joined >the list was to hook up with other fans & connecting >shared experiences. That's real true, Caryn, that was the main reason I was excited about this list. Who else can we talk about this stuff with. Sorry, just had to add my two cents. Kathie ------------------------------ From: Sabo Subject: I got the single I got it, I got it....had it shipped over form germany! It is so %$#@ing cool. Shit.....I think that I can die now! Wow, Pretty Noose is so cool! It also has Applebite-a very cool spacey song, with weird vocals, the kind of song which seperates the truefans from the loosers! Then there is An Unkind-this one is short and sweet, but it just rocks! Holy shit I cant believe it. The interview at the end is like 8 minutes and it is given by the band Eleven! wow.....Hey are anymore singles comming out soon? I cant wait for the album! Write me if you have any ?'s Randy ------------------------------ From: Sabo Subject: My single has all the lyrics in it If you guys want all the lyrics for Pretty Noose tell me, they printed them in the cd! Randy ------------------------------ From: jsk@tiac.net (jessie) >Good point. I'd actually like to hear a song with Chris Cornell and >Mariah Carey...Wait, before i'm burned at the stake, let me explain. >First of all, Chris would write the music, therefore the music wouldn't >suck. Secondly, chris would get to show her up vocally. (She'd feel >pretty bad when he hit higher notes than her. Hey, wait a sec. I get the jokes, but this gets me thinkin. I like the idea of pairing Chris and/or SG with a female vocalist....that could be very cool. Personally I loved "Right Turn" on AIC's 'sap' and the oh-so-overplayed-but-still-dear-to-my-heart TOTD song with Eddie, but there must be some 'chick singer' out there who's seriously able to match Chris for power and soul....besides me of course.... ...Oh, hi. I guess I didn't introduce myself. Jessie speaking. I've been quietly absorbing this list for several weeks now and on the whole have enjoyed myself immensely. I tend to come home after a hard day of work and scroll mindlessly thru this list....I don't have a t.v. so this does nicely. Compelling characters, interesting info, and the soap opera of flame wars (so strangely addictive!). I've loved SG only since TOTD came out, so I'm sure I'll be very unpopular on this list and just retreat back into my shell after this one attempt. HOWEVER I would be interested to see if anyone has similar yearning to hear a collaboration with a female voice.....and I will sign off forever if anyone suggests Miss Morrissette because that girl really bothers me (I wish she'd learn what 'ironic' means, for one thing). Maybe Johnette Napolitano? She's got a good pair of lungs. She's finally left Concrete Blonde, now, too.....I always thought her voice was too interesting for that style. one more thing....sex and rock and roll have been tied together for awhile now. Don't deny it. Yes, it's dull to harp endlessly on the lovely bod of the lead singer, but you can't convince me that his voice is not incredibly sexy and emotional, as well as kickass and manly and whatever else people hear. Finding out that he looks as good as he sounds was an added bonus for me, no more or less exciting than finding out he is very articulate and intelligent in interviews, unlike many musicians. (In fact, i was quite surprised and pleased to read the "I dislike groupies" thing. It's about time a rock star felt that way.) jessie p.s. my mom loves SG too, in fact she bought BMF before I did! ------------------------------ From: "Dan \"Pop-tart\" Hearsch" Subject: Re: My single has all the lyrics in it On Fri, 26 Apr 1996, Sabo wrote: > If you guys want all the lyrics for Pretty Noose tell me, they printed > them in the cd! > > Randy > should we really have to ask? of COURSE we want them! pleasepleasepleaseplease! ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: How I got into SG... by Shroom. Once upon a time... long, long ago, there was a girl named Shroom. She was trapped in a world of MTV, Bon Jovi, Skid Row, and Guns N Roses. Oh, how she pined for an escape from the hairspray that was threatening to suffocate her. Then one fine fall day, her older and wiser cousin Rod came for a visit from California. What a glorious day that was!! As soon as Rod walked through the door, Shroom took off running towards him. Rod threw out his arms in anticipation of a hug from his favorite cousin... but Shroom flew right past him. Incredulously, he watched as she almost ripped the door off of his car, and started digging through his music collection. It was almost as though she sensed that something very special was waiting there for her. Rod just shook his head, and greeted the rest of Shroom's family. After about a half hour, he headed out to his car, to visit Shroom (did I mention that she was his favorite cousin?). He went around to the passenger side of the car, moved about thirty tapes which had been inspected and discarded by Shroom , and sat down. They sat in silence for a few moments, contemplating some local California band which has long been forgotten. Then Shroom looked at Rod, and announced "Rod... all of your music sucks shit." Rod looked back at her, nonplussed, and said "Shroomy... YOU'RE full of shit." They discussed some favorite bands for a little bit, the main one being Mother Love Bone. Rod had introduced Shroomy to the music of Andrew Wood a year or so earlier. Andy being Shroom's god and all, they listened to some MLB boots for awhile. This was a happy time, because all was well in the world... Andy hadn't died yet. Eventually Shroom had had enough of the sucky California bands, and announced that they should go inside and have some munchies. Rod agreed, and then as they were about to get out of the car, he remembered the tape he had just gotten. He told her to wait for a minute, because there was one other band he wanted her to hear. He pulled out two tapes, which she immediately snatched from his hands. "Who the hell is Soundgarden, worm-boy? I've never heard of 'em. Another sucky Cali band?" Rod just smiled, and put one of the cassetes in the player. Suddenly the car was filled with the most wonderful sounds Shroom had ever experienced in her life. She just sat there with her mouth open for a minute, as she listened to the lyrics... "If you've got some time to kill, slow resistance wins the war..." And the rest is history. Shroom confiscated the two tapes her cousin had (LTL and Ultramega OK), and listened to them non-stop for a year. She had finally broken out of the depressing musical gloom that she had been stuck in, and she lived happily ever after. Well, at least until March, when her God passed away. But eventually she got over it. It was alot easier, because Soundgarden had taken over as her favorite band, and Chris Cornell had sung loops around Landrew, becoming her favorite singer (although Andy would always have a special place in her heart). And of course, eventually Shroom found out (with considerable delight) that Chris was not only a wonderfully talented guy, he was a totally delicious babe as well. Shroom ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... *** Chris Cornell | |.| |.| |\./| "She drinkin' my JackDaniels |\./| and smokin' all my weed" .\ |\./| /. ~~Andy Wood, MLB \-.\ |\\.//| /.-/ \--./\ |\\.//| /\.--/ \--.| \ |\\.//| / |.--/ \---.|\ |\./| /|.---/ \--.|\ |\./| /|.--/ \ .\ |.| /. / _ -_- \ \\ // / -_- _ - -/_/_/- | | -\_\_\- - /_\ ------------------------------ From: SoundGrdn3@aol.com Subject: Bill Nye Fleur (and anyone else wondering)... Bill Nye is THE SCIENCE GUY!!! He is on PBS and he hosts the show "Bill Nye the Science Guy". He's pretty cool. At the end of most shows, they take a popular song and do a parody of it, making it science related. I don't know which SG song they did, though. I keep seeing the episode about waves, and thinking that they should've used "My Wave" or something. Oh well, I want to see the SG episode. So, you should watch the Science Guy sometime; should be on PBS. Bye!!! P.S. Anyone heard "Rhinosaur" yet? They're not playing it in Seattle-just "Pretty Noose". Still, "Pretty Noose" rocks; it's gotta be one of my favorite SG songs now, except I still like "Let Me Drown" and the chorus to "Limo Wreck" better. ------------------------------ From: Heather Aston Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 26 Apr 1996 Before I say anything else, let me remind little joe that he brought this on himself. No one forced him to insult me. From: LITTLE JOE Subject: sacrilege! How the hell can anyone say that seth does not have the right to dictate in anyway what gets put on the list? No one said that he did not have the right to dictate "in any way (I'm pretty sure that isn't one word) what gets put on the list." Several people, including myself, pointed out that Seth had not set down any rules as to what could be posted. I don't think some people appreciate the amount of work he puts in so that we can sidle in and read our mail each day. It's a list for the benefit of all of us, but it would not be here if it were not for him. And we are thankful for it. at no time has he tried to limit the enjoyment of anyone on it. But you certainly have. Together, you and blind dog are the Comstock of the soundgarden mailing list. Doesn't that make you feel important? Listen. If I wanted to be bossed around, I'd be living at home with my mother. I don't. You can conclude from this that I don't want to be bossed around,especially not by you. Do you undrstand that *yet*? In fact it has been frustrating at times that he has not stepped in to stop some threads. Frustrating? You don't know about frustrating. Frustrating is being bossed around by a boorish windbag like you. I thank Seth for not stopping some threads. You wouldn't be saying this if he had stepped in and not allowed you to post one of your messages, now would you, little man? Of course not. The posts of the lowly, coarse peons who do not understand your All Encompassing Theory Of Soundgarden are the only ones you want stopped. All this shit that we have been seeing lately is just that *shit*. Have you ever heard the saying "One man's poison is another man's food"? It seems appropriate here. What you don't like someone else may, so it's pretty rude and insensitive of you to characterize what someone else has written as "shit". How would you feel if someone said the same about what you post? If this what gves you enjoyment, I'm sorry but I think you are in the wrong place. Do you have any idea how pompous you sound? *You* think someone else is in the wrong place? According to who, you and blind dog? I think you're the one in the wrong place. Your snide carping is definitely casting a pall over this list. By making the points he did seth is merely trying to protect the enjoyment that your average list member derives from SOMMS. Have you spoken with so many people on the list that you know what the average list member wants? Thought not. Unless you really have, it's pretty presumptuous to speak for others. It is not just an isolated incident in my opinion that has caused him to do it, but a constant barrage of basically off topic posts. Like yours, where you insult people? Have you been paying attention? As there are no rules, if it's about Soundgarden it is on topic. I myself am sick of opening my inbox and deleting all but a handful of messages every day. Jesus Christ and all the Saints, save me. YOU'RE SICK??!! You ridiculous, overblown, cretin. YOU'RE SICK??!! So am I! I am so fucking sick of you. You have no idea how much. As for the stupid lock- of- hair post brought to us by the ever scintillating Heather/Schroom tag team....it's dumb. little man, no one forced you to insult me. The saying I quoted above applies to this as well. It may seem dumb to you, but that doesn't mean it's dumb to everyone else on this list. Can you understand that? Blind dog got up and said what a lot of other list members could not be bothered saying. Really? Again, this is pretty presumptuous. How do you know that a lot of other list members feel this way? How? I'm curious-are you relying on the psychic network, or are you in contact with all 400+ members of this list? Of course you aren't. You're projecting your wishes onto other people. That's a nasty habit you seem to have. True it has lead to another on-list flamewar but he, like Seth and myself see that something has to be done to stem the tide of bandwidth wasting crapola. Have you ever broken your arm trying to pat yourself on the back? You are so smug and self-congratulatory that I want to wring your neck. "Seth and myself see that something has to be done to stem the tide of bandwith wasting crapola." It's Vastly Superior Man, come to save us all! Just shut the fuck up. If you don't like it, don't read it. Is that *really* so difficult? Is it? The rest of us have to delete your griping, don't we? So you have to do the same. Big deal. I don't see how you could possibly call into question his posting to the list in the light of what you two generally contribute. It is always on topic and interesting and often provides information to the list that has not been heard before. Why thank you for being so chivalrous, I didn't know you had it in you. Seriously, though. When I read this, the picture that comes to mind is of a rooster, strutting around the barn yard. But you know what they say-one day cock of the walk, the next a feather duster. "I don't see how you could possibly call into question his posting to the list in the light of what you two generally contribute." I can see your nose in the air, sneering at those who are so misguided as to-shock, gasp-post something you don't like to the list. The full horror of it! In the past there was never a need for a defined set of rules, i think we benefited from the fact that Soundgarden fans are in the most part fairly intelligent. Oh well i guess a bad apple had to come along eventually. Aw, don't be so hard on yourself. This is why people who know what they are talking about are standing up and saying what's what. Oh, God! Save us, please, from this pompous, narrow minded twit! Please, no more. We can't have done anything so bad as to deserve this! I can see the 'bill of rights' flames flooding my mailbox but hey, some things have to be said. Yes, some things do have to be said. I'm beginning to appreciate how frustrating it was for my mother when I was a child and she had to repeat things over and over before I got the message. You're doing the exact same thing. To quote my dear mom- have you lost your fucking mind?! What is wrong with you? How many times does this have to be repeated? You are so hard headed! I'm going to try one more time. 1) You are not in a position to dictate what will be posted to this list. Period. No if ands, or butts about it. (Wasn't it your pal blind dog who posted saying that he had a "Seth given right to post to the digest"? I laughed *endlessly* when seth cut him down and put him in his place. Now if he'd only do the same for you) You and blind dog seem to think you have some special privileges that the rest of us don't. Guess what? You don't. Can't you get that through your thick skull? 2) Something you don't like someone else may like. This seems pretty obvious, but you haven't caught on yet. So characterizing other posts as "shit" or "crapola" does nothing except insult people. P.S.-I don't suppose you and blind dog could get into therapy *together*? You both have the same issue to deal with-you and he have this overwhelming desire to be the ones in control. 'Nuff said. Soundgarden content: What would the members of SG think of little joe and blind dog's attempt to censor others on the list? Would they approve? Somehow, I can't picture any of them being in favor of censoring someone else's speech. Wasn't that why they did Cop Killer at Lollapalooza? They were disgusted at the attempts to try and silence Ice-T because some people didn't like what he was saying. Why don't you meditate on that for a while? ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Influences? WE>some of us thought that there was a tinge of nirvana in the song, which WE>is not rip-off, it's influence, But wasn't Soundgarden an influence of Nirvana? Wouldn't that mean that Soundgarden was doing it first? Yeppers. So it's Nirvana who show influences of Soundgarden. But I can hear similarities between Pretty Noose and some Nirvana songs, too. It's just... Nothingman -Oh, nevermind, I'm just being impossible again... ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: First name basis. JS>never know the names JS>of the band member (maybe Chris's name), It's pretty funny that there are maybe a few people on this list who have ever met the members of Soundgarden, yet we all refer to them by their first names. It's just weird how we seem to "know" these people after listening to, and studying their music for a long time. I mean, we really don't know these people, yet we feel we do. Maybe that has something to do with the honesty of their music. We all seem to have our own ideas about what they are like in person (and most of our ideas probably are similar to each other's, from what I've heard) and about their personalities. I wish I could meet them someday so I know what they are REALLY like. I really doubt I would be disappointed, but I wonder if they would be as I expected. I know we can't know people from their music, but we can (and do) set ideas in our minds from their music (and interviews, etc.). I don't claim to "know" them, but I do know I can identify with a lot of their songs. Ok, tangent (but Soundgarden related). I was just thinking about the band (as you can read), and since I have never seen them in person, when I think of them doing something (like reading this) they don't seem to be real. Even after I do see them live in concert, unless I meet them, they probably still won't seem real to me. I guess I'm just weird. Nothingman -I wanna cry but I gotta laugh. ------------------------------ From: overfloater@bbs.cowland.com Subject: I would like to try! Heha.. =) anyway, I posted this before, so if you already read it, delete it. But if youre new to the list, and really bored, then you get to hear All About How I Got Into Soundgarden. Anyway, the first time I stumbled upon Soundgarden's name was in 1990 when I watched the movie Pump Up The Volume. The camera shows all of Harry's tapes, and Louder Than Love happened to be one of them.. I sat there thinking "wtf is Soundgarden.." and the name didn't come across my mind again until two years later.. It was a day in April of 1992 when I bought a Circus magazine in the local shop 'n save. I stole my dad's car and drove around for two hours the same night, and i was 13 at the time, but that's not relevant to the story ;) Anyway the Circus had an interview with Soundgarden in it, and me, being grounded for stealing the car, had nothing better to do, so I read it. And I thought it was kinda nifty.. how they absolutely raved about them.. and then one night in May of 1992, my dad went to pick up his bitch from work.. this was around eleven.. so I plopped down on the couch to see what was on MTV. Headbangers Ball was on, so I figured the chances of seeing a decent video were pretty good. Then Soundgarden came on. The video for Rusty Cage. I saw "Soundgarden" in those neat lil white letters at the bottom of the screen and thought to myself, "cule.. now I get to hear Soundgarden" and well, I was so impressed by Rusty Cage, it's impossible to describe how impressed I was. I was blown away. Abso-fucking-lutely blown away. I've never had a reaction to a song or a band like that before or since. It was like I'd found everything good about music in that song. I thought Rusty Cage WAS music, man.. I was all "WTF? I've been listening to DEF LEPPARD when there has been a band like THIS around???" I was completely unexposed to good music and Soundgarden blew it wide open for me. Well, then I was talking to this stoner asshole kid in my home ec class, and as it turns out, he had a dub of Badmotorfinger, and he let me copy it for which I was ever so grateful.. I thought it was amazing.. Slaves and Bulldozers especially caught my fancy.. I took it to Houston with me for the summer.. and I bought everythin I could on Soundgarden.. there was this Rolling Stone article that I found that without it, I would have been the dumbest Soundgarden fan on the face of the planet in 1992.. I thought Badmotorfinger wastheir first record til I saw that interview.. I read it and I was interested in buying the rest of their records.. that stoner kid I told you about had all the Red Hot Chili Peppers tapes, and I thought it would be cule if I had all the Soundgarden tapes.. so I went out and bought em all.. and I wasn't disappointed by any of em.. I got a lot of shit for being so huge into Soundgarden but it hasn't stopped me from listening to them. And I'm still proud to say that I'm a goddam Soundagrden fan.. I always will be.. and excuse me for spelling it Soundagrden.. I do that a LOT.. Jackie O O O OH PLEASE DON'T DIE! Uh huh. And that car of my dad's I stole? I own it now =) I'll shut up. ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 107] ****************************************