From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Friday, 26 Apr 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 00:25:49 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Friday, 26 Apr 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Re: hate Re: Perfect Noose, w/ a slight licorice tinge of nirvana bill nye somms Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 24 Apr 1996 Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 24 Apr 1996 Chris and Politics (and other stuff) Bandwagons etc. Re: Bandwagons etc. Stuff and more stuff Pigeonhed Re: about live shows. Re: concerning ben timberlake's harsh cut on seth. Re: Perfect Noose, w/ a slight licorice tinge of nirvana Tattoos Re: bill nye Re: Moving the bandwagon along! Re: Sticking up for Mr. Dog..... Re: Chris and Politics (and other stuff) flames, bandwagons, dogs & wallets Re: concerning ben timberlake's harsh cut on seth. Re: Chris and Politics (and other stuff) SG & the 7 deadly sins I -like- new singles Re: SG & the 7 deadly sins Obtaining The album Drawing Flies tour info sorry Soundgarden for Donington? Vinyl SG List Re: SG & the 7 deadly sins RE: SG & the 7 deadly sins Re: bill nye Re: Perfect Noose, w/ a slight licorice tinge of nirvana Re: hate Basketball Diaries umm, I dont have a subject . Re: bill nye Re: Soundgarden for Donington? Re: Basketball Diaries Re: Basketball Diaries Re: unsubscribe Re: Basketball Diaries 7 sins Re: Windows 95 Soundgarden Desktop * Re: hate Re: Soundgarden for Donington? Re: . listening strategies, tar heel style. Somthin' to read sacrilege! Re: bill nye Get sick? Nah. ------------------------------------------------------------ From: David_H._Steinhage@nrunner.mil.wi.us Subject: Re: hate I love 4th of July. It's so depressing it's good...I lived my first full day on the 4th of July...(really) I think 4th of July is about the end of the world, like a big explosion (a picture of an explosion in the Superunknown's booklet for 4th of July... "I heard it in the wind, and I saw it in the sky, I thought it was the end, And i thought it was the 4th of July.."...Not sure, but it makes sense.... Dave ------------------------------ From: David_H._Steinhage@nrunner.mil.wi.us Subject: Re: Perfect Noose, w/ a slight licorice tinge of nirvana I forget who it was, but I remeber back about a month; some dumbass called SG a Nirvana rip-off....Idiot. I think he deserves a little hate mail... ------------------------------ From: "Dan \"Pop-tart\" Hearsch" Subject: bill nye i heard from someone that for one of his shows on sound or something, bill nye the science guy went into the studio where SG was recording and filmed the stuff. i never saw it, but i heard that eric lanning has a copy of the tape or something. eric, is this true, and when can i see it? what were they doing, are there any hints as to the content or anything? did chris give bill one of those cool duct tape wallets that we had such a discussion about a while back? enquiring minds want to know i wanna know ------------------------------ From: NeVeRnAmEd@aol.com Subject: somms Hi all! I'm new to the list and have enjoyed reading your posts....I have a question regarding any Soundgarden live CD's--does anyone here know of any and if so what are they called. I found one for $25, has a lot of BMF stuff and want to know if it's worth it...I don't remember the name of the cd I saw but it has a picture of the band in front focused on Chris...he's got long hair in this one too...Anyone?? Anyone?? Bueller ? Thanks... ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 24 Apr 1996 From: Ben Timberlake Did someone take our beloved, impartial list administrator away and replace him with some side-taking automaton? Seth, this letter you send about Heather is scathing and mean. I'm no big fan of the Chris in the field thread, but Heather's response was the least harmless of any. Being a recipient myself of the scorching flames of Blind Dog, I can understand why Heather may have been hurt by his response. What the fuck. Going through someone's wallet and cutting a lock of his hair is far from malignant. But I don't even want to get into the details of a piece of email. Email as a medium produces far more off the cuff and less thought out communications than any other non-verbal mode of communicating. I bet that not one person on this list can claim they've never sent a message (to the list or otherwise) without thinking. And in such a vastly hypothetical and improbable situation, any response must be taken as infeasible. What Heather says she would do cannot be taken seriously, no matter how much you admire the man. If I said I would go through the pope's wallet (does the pope carry a wallet?) and cut a lock of his hair, it would obviously be taken as a joke, and if not that, then so unlikely as to be unworthy of a response --- even by the most devout Catholic. You make all these comments about Heather's statement not being a joke. How do you know? Are you a mind reader? Perhaps it was a joke, or at best, a hypothetical answer to a hypothetical situation. There was no reason for you - *especially* as the list administrator, the closest thing we have to an authority figure on this list - to have posted this to the list. It's like putting Heather in a public stockade. >The FAQ that he and >Little Joe are creating will surely be a masterwork, and will >rightfully become the centerpiece of the unofficial Soundgarden Web >page. I mean, you're response makes it look like you're kissing Blind Dog's ass. The only reason I post this to the list is because a public decry demands a public retort. >I would definitely like to see more about the music and less about the >other aspects of the band (Chris' chest, Kim's beard (hey, is that >thing real?)), since that's what Soundgarden is about (as they've said >themselves): music. Even though you founded the list and maintain it, for which we are all infinitely grateful, I do not believe you can rightfully dictate the content of the posts without acquiessence from the majority of the list population. Since no such poll was taken prior to Heather's post, she is in the clear. She had no way of knowing that this violates some sort of "understood list policy," if, indeed, it does. >It wasn't until recently that Shroom jumped in with the always-graphic >conversation about Chris and we wound up with some of these threads >that really contradict what the list was all about in the first place. I generally take Shroom's posts with a grain of salt. I happen to not worship Chris as a sex god. I think the guy's cool as shit. His music gives me gigajoules of energy and brings tears to my eyes, but I can take it when people treat him flippantly. It's a part of caring for anything with a white-hot intensity: you must be aware that there are those who will, intentionally or otherwise, pour water on it. Anyway, I don't want to piss you off because you appear to be a cool guy and I appreciate this service you provide. I also enjoy Blind Dog's insight and posts, though I am occaisionally cynical about his benign feelings toward others. So, if this reaction is too strong, I apologize. But, it is because of my respect for human decency, even in such an informal method as electronic mail, that I push the send button. -- Ben Ben Timberlake "The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est, Northwestern University Pro patria mori." Medill School of Journalism -- Wilfred Owen btimlake@nwu.edu -30- *Check out my dorm's web page!* http://www.stuaff.nwu.edu/crc/ "And I don't like what you've got me hangin' from." -- Chris Cornell, "Pretty Noose" ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 24 Apr 1996 >The reason there is an argument about this is that there are no rules >about message content, as long as it deals with Soundgarden. Which is what I understood when I signed up for the list in the first place. If it has SG content, it's relevant to the list. Perhaps if you're planning on changing the "rules", then an "official" list of those rules should be sent out to all us listers, Seth. Common courtesy, and all that... >When I created this list, I believe I took for granted that it was for the >discussion of the band's *music*, not for worshipping Chris as a sex >symbol or discussing what we would do if we found him unconscious in a >field. As far as I've noticed, the band's music HAS been discussed in great detail. I'm sure there was no way you could possibly have foretold what all would happen on the list. But with 400+ members, you have to expect SOME freaks (like moi). And by the way... if you would be so kind as to recall... I specifically asked people to e-mail their responses regarding the CC unconscious in a field question directly to me, so as not to create havoc on the list. I didn't say anything when people started posting their responses, because no one really seemed to care one way or the other. >It wasn't until recently that Shroom jumped in with the always-graphic >conversation about Chris and we wound up with some of these threads >that really contradict what the list was all about in the first place. And excuse the piss out of me for throwing in my two cents worth of discussion. My posts are NOT "always-graphic". I believe I HAVE contributed to the list, not only in the form of music discussion, but also in the form of stuff for the page. How quickly we forget, don't we, Seth... As I recall, when I first signed onto the list last November, there was much "non-music" discussion going on. Now what, praytell, is the difference between some of my posts, and other "non-music" posts? Where's the line that makes my posts "contradict what the list was about in the first place"? And why are the other "non-music" posts deemed perfectly acceptable? I've kept the graphic stuff to private e-mail since the last stupid flame war. There's always been "non-music" discussion going on... before I got here, and I'm sure it's not going to end even if I suddenly decided to shut the hell up. >Shroom's fantasizing is just that -- fantasizing -- so it's easily >dismissed. Which as how it should be. It's all in fun. Jeez, but everything is taken SO seriously on this list. And if it's "easily dismissed" then why is it getting so much attention again? >I would definitely like to see more about the music and less about the >other aspects of the band (Chris' chest, Kim's beard (hey, is that >thing real?)), since that's what Soundgarden is about (as they've said >themselves): music. Unless I'm going totally batty... haven't we been doing that all along? Discussing the music? If this is your way to tell me to knock off the Chris discussions, Seth, it surely is a cowardly way to go about it. I DO have a private e-mail address. And another thing... about all this SOMMS original member stuff... I didn't realize that we were all ranked in a certain order of membership. Could someone please inform me as to my number/place? Honestly... I'm sure that if alot of us had heard about the list when you started it Seth, we would be "original members", also. This whole thing is so ridiculous. Don't you people have any sense of humor? Sense of fun? As far as I've seen, many people enjoy my posts. I've had a blast making tons of groovy friends on the list. Now you tell me Seth... am I being forbidden from posting as I please (within reason, which has already been understood)? I HAVE been discussing the music, I've been sharing pertinent information whenever I've been able to, I've been contributing to the page, I've even been trying to watch what the hell I say in regards to the CC posts. So Seth, please tell me where I stand here, or if I stand at all. This is your call, my friend. I honestly don't think I've done anything wrong. Somehow I'm getting vibes that my posts aren't really what's going on here. Is it because I've "insulted" someone who has been on the list longer than I? Is it because I've flamed someone "important", who flamed someone I happen to like unnecessarily? Don't tell me that Blind Dog had a right to flame Heather just because he thought she was serious about going through CC's wallet. I don't see how that was a cool thing to do at all. If I'm way of base here, please let me know. I still maintain that Heather was perfectly just in her post. I would sincerely appreciate a reply to this, because although I usually don't care about stuff being said about me, I certainly don't appreciate being bitched at for something that isn't even wrong. And I'm sure that everyone on the list would like to know what our limitations are. I would say thanks, but I wouldn't mean it. Shroom ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... *** Chris Cornell ------------------------------ From: Grant Asher Subject: Chris and Politics (and other stuff) Probably a silly question, but exactly why did they interview Chris on the subject of a minimum wage and other political issues? He's a musician, not a politician. Would you expect a reporter to ask Clinton or Yeltsin or Major (spot the British guy) what their opinion was on the new sg album? I'm not saying that Chris isn't entitled to an opinion on political matters, it just seems a rather strange topic to be discussed. I've been away for a while and I've just re-subscribed. Things have certainly changed a bit. When I left all the discussion was over Chris's hobbies with Duct tape, and what colours it was available in. Now half the list is taken up with flame wars. I think you should all take a pill and calm down. It really isn't good for your blood pressure to get all worked up over someone posting that they find Chris attractive. Grant Asher P.S. On a completely unrelated and frivolous note, there's a guy who I've passed in the street several times who bears an uncanny resemblance to Kim Thayil, only a bit thinner. Given that I live in Aberdeen, Scotland, I've ruled out the possibility that it actually is Kim. ------------------------------ From: Warren Dyson Subject: Bandwagons etc. G'day fellow Soundgardeners :), I'm one of the quiet people on this list (because I rarely get time to respond, poor excuse I know....), so I thought I'd throw my voice into this discussion of 'bandwagon jumpers'..... 1. My case in point... The first Soundgarden song I EVER HEARD was 'Outshined' from BMF, and thus the first album I got was Badmotorfinger. I put this down to two reasons :- (a) Here in the U.K., pre-Superunknown, Soundgarden got NO coverage to speak of, in fact, your only chance of hearing Soundgarden was on MTV (which I didn't have at the time). (b) Soundgarden weren't popular over here, because they'd hardly ever toured and the record shops didn't stock their stuff!!!! You see, back then I was considered a 'Bandwagon jumper', but I now own a copy of most things they've released (Exept SOMMS, *sniff* *cry*, because it wasn't released in the U.K. as far as I know). Conclusion :- Before BMF got airplay, most people in the U.K. didn't know who the fuck Soundgarden were!!! So how can we be bandwagon jumpers ????? The same applies to Superunknown :) 2. The only way a band will stay small (playing in small venues etc.) is if they were SHIT to begin with (which does NOT apply to SG). If a band is good, it's inevitable that they will gain support over the years, and if you've never heard a band (for one reason or another), then how can you tell whether you like them or not ????? Just because I didn't discover Soundgarden until BMF, it doesn't make me any less dedicated. And I'm SURE you'll find that the same applies to the 'Superunknown' newbies, and of course..... the soon to be...... 'DOWN ON THE UPSIDE' BANDWAGON JUMPERS :) Wear your Soundgarden shirts with pride, no matter how new, or faded they are. Respect, Warren. +============================================================================+ | | | WaRreN DySOn - _____ .__ .__ | | / \ ____ ____________|__|____ | |_ | | Guitar / \ / \_/ __ \/ ___/ ___/| |\__ \| \ | | / Y \ ____\___ \___ \| |/ __ | T \ | | \____|__ /\__ /____ /___ /|__|___ |__| / | | \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ | | "Err..." | | & Software Engineer - warren@anchor.co.uk | | | | "I've got an idea, of something we can do with a gun.." - C. Cornell | | | +============================================================================+ ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Bandwagons etc. From: "Matthew Lawrence" > Just because I didn't discover Soundgarden until BMF, it doesn't make me any > less dedicated. And I'm SURE you'll find that the same applies to the > 'Superunknown' newbies, and of course..... the soon to be...... I have to admit, sad as it is, that I am a Superunknown newbie :( The first song I ever heard by Soundgarden was "Birth Ritual", about one or two years before the release of Superunknown.. I really liked it but I DIDN'T BUY BMF... *thud* (that was the sound of me kicking myself) Instead, I bought Superunknown after hearing a clip of Spoonman on TV and promptly bought BMF, the following week, LDL the week after that and finally the other 2.... But I don't think that makes me a "less worthy" fan.. I love SG as much as anyone on this list, with the possible exception of Shroom ;) Just thought you might be interested :) Matt ------------------------------ From: "Mercyhurst Prep Library" Subject: Stuff and more stuff Hey fellow listers! If you aren't interested in Inflatable Soule skip down a bit. Followeing the short IS thing, I've offered some comments on the state of the list, new fans and stuff like that. I was waiting to see if anyone from Seattle would come to our rescue to respond to Vikki's question about the Inflatable Soule "release" show on 4/20. They really didn't want to call it a release party, btw, b/c Peter said they are saving that sort of hoopla for when they do get signed on a label and do an actual record company release. Anyway, I've heard from Andrea, wo is unfortunately having major cyberspace problems w/ her email system at work--a friend has to forward stuff to and from her! She did go to the show so I'll just repeat some of what she said. The new music rocks and the crowd was really into it. The new bassist--yes, IS has gone/is going thru some personnel problems which Peter didn't really want made public for a while, sounded real good and did a fine job w/ them. MOE was packed, the band was great. Peter grew a muzz and goat--trying to be like his little brother maybe. There was actually a mini-mosh pit up front. That's all I know for now, hope to talk to a few members real soon, so if you're interested, contact me sometime next week. Now if you'll indulge me, I'd just like to add my own 2 cents to a few things going on w/ our wonderful list. You people are all so wonderful; you may have no idea of the feeling of unity I get when I think that I'm part of such a cool "organization." I've told people in IS about this and they think it's neat--Dave the drummer has even checked out some of our pages. Now suddenly you're all crabbing at each other about stupid things! What gives? I'm going to attribute it to getting all worked up about the release of the album, b/c it sure can't be PMS when half the people throwing barbs are guys. Dear fellow listers, I have to agre w/ a few comments made overnight--if you don't like or aren't interested in what's being said in the first few lines of an email, hit the delete button! I do! I'm not into tablature and some of that so I just delete. If you really don't want to hear about sexual fantasies, delete...then maybe go to these people privately and say something. It's no big deal, OK? Listen, I was for a couple weeks on a list for a TV show, and this list had rules, real rules. That was probably b/c half the producers and stars from the show monitored the thing. Whatever. I thought some of the posts were the most ridiculous wastes of time tho b/c of how much detail they'd go into. Does our SOMMS list need rules? NO! Can't we just be happy talking about some aspect of Soundgarden....like even the siblings and their music if we so choose? Can't we just accept the fact that some of us want to talk aobut different things than others? I've gotten used to some of our members little quirks, and in fact enjoy them now. The point is....WE'RE ALL SG FANS! That brings me to the griping about newcomers and jumping on the bandwagon. I have mixed feelings in some ways myself. Like w/ Inf. Soule--when they get a real contract, I'm going to have to share them w/ possibly millions of other people, and the only reason that bothers me is that I know them as real people and I don't want to see success change them too much. I'd love it if they could all quit their day (or night jobs--Joel and Peter) but I know they'll have lumops to swallow too. Now w/ any band, the point of doing successive albums might be to attract a larger fan base. That means new fans. I've been a new fan a few times in my life--I'm definitely a post-84 YES fan...in fact, I'm really only a fan of Trevor Rabin, so I only like what he did w/ YES. Shoot me now, b/c I know many of you will consider me a NEW SG FAN! I only came into the fold b/c of BMF...in fact, alot of the old stuff still sounds like so much noise to me and I don't own the older albums. OK, happy? But I have access to them and have listened to them, b/c my friend Lin has them. She dragged me into liking Sg, kicking and screaming. I said at one point that I'd never like them as much as I liked PJ--yes, I used to be a huge fan of theirs. What happened? I saw them live fore the first time in Toronto in 8/93, and I flipped over the new music and over seeing Kim Thayil in the flesh. That did it...I grudgingly became a fan in late 93, so I'm a newcomer too. Bands need to attract new fans, so let's welcome the newcomers who join our list! If you call it jumping on the band wagon, that's your choice, but I look at it as a way a band can mount better tours and do more and differnt types of marketing and releases. Some band s sell out, but take a good look at Sg--can yiu truthfully say they have? Are they driving BMWs and jetsetting all over the globe and all that? Heck no! They did finally get a new rehearsal space and Kim finally got cable! I've gone thru it w/ YES, where I've encountered fans who try to "out devote" everyone they meet by bragging about how long they've been fans. I'd really, truly hate to see that happen, esp. on this list, b/c that does draw invisible lines between people. You who have been fans from the start, i salute you--you know so much more than I ever will and we look to you to be our experts. You new fans, you who are even newer than I am--you can bring a fresh perspective to looking at the band. And keep in mind, when someone discovers a band, don't they usually go back and buy up all the old stuff to get caught up?? If you've reached the end of this, thanks for hearing me out. Anyone have any comments? Rebuttals? Flames? Anything to add? Thanks again and let's just enjoy the anticipation of the new album! ti amo....deb /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Mercyhurst Preparatory School Keeping you connected in 1995! /\/\/\/\/\(C)1995TMK/\/\/\/\/\/\ ------------------------------ From: Mayor McCheese Subject: Pigeonhed I just got Pigeonhed yesterday and listened through it a couple of times now. It's o.k., I have to let it grow on me. Very not grunge. It's really a departure for Kim to play on something so . . . "Prince-like". I guess that's what happens when you play too much dark stuff. Speaking of dark stuff, any info out there about DArk LoAd? I just have to add this: If Chris Cornell was laying in a field unconscious, he would not want to be harrassed, raped, or searched (especially since he dispises groupies). I would even go so far as to say he wouldn't want to talk about music. Rather, much like you or I, he would want medical attention and not to be bothered with such trivialities at such a time. Now that this list has become unconscious in a field, I ask the list members this question: "Are you going to molest it or worse, or are you going to get it medical attention". Sadly, my "D" key hasn't been able to keep up with the responses to this tired thread. Mayor McCheese XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX "I'm so bad, I kick my own ass twice a day!" -Creeper from Dolemite **By receiving this letter you can join the OFFICIAL MAYOR McCHEESE SOUNDGARDEN CAMPING EXTRAVAGANZA in Detroit Lakes, Minnesota now by replying to this letter with the subject: CAMPING TRIP! Or type f beyera@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu for info on how you can join!*** ------------------------------ From: Fleur Weinstock Subject: Re: about live shows. I have two cd's of live shows which I dig greatly: one is called MindRiot, and is international from small disco show in some foreign country (Norway? I don't know; Netherlands maybe.), and the other is called "This is Boston, Not Seattle", and is from what sounds like a large Boston show. They both have sounds like "Loud Love" "Big Dumb Sex" "Flowers" "Gun", et cetera. MindRiot sounds like the later one. good luck, and i recommend any live shows totally...... living alive and sweet in the garden of sound, fleur de vie ------------------------------ From: Fleur Weinstock Subject: Re: concerning ben timberlake's harsh cut on seth. now, i think it's ricidulous to be scwabbling over this kind of thing anyway, since the point IS soundgarden's music, i do want to say that i agree wholeheartedly with seth in emphasising the point that we should align ourselves with the concerns of the band themself, which is not their own hair length, their bodies, or whether ben and chris are sleeping with each other, but the thing which they mean to share with us and we can truly and totally share with them: THEIR MUSIC. That's all. Listen, listen, and feel the groove more powerful than any wave, fleur de vie "KEEP IT OFF MY WAVE!" --sg ------------------------------ From: Fleur Weinstock Subject: Re: Perfect Noose, w/ a slight licorice tinge of nirvana hey, look, i wrote the message with the above subject title, and if you read it again more closely, you'll realize that i'm not calling sg a nirvana rip-off and neither was any of the other people who were commenting on what they heard in pretty noose. get your notes straight. some of us thought that there was a tinge of nirvana in the song, which is not rip-off, it's influence, and if it's done consciously it can also be a kind of tribute or respect. what's your deal, david? and i'm a she. - --fleur On Wed, 24 Apr 1996 David_H._Steinhage@nrunner.mil.wi.us wrote: > I forget who it was, but I remeber back about a month; some dumbass called SG a > Nirvana rip-off....Idiot. I think he deserves a little hate mail... > > > > ------------------------------ From: "Terri Sanchez" Subject: Tattoos I think what is on the front of BMF would make a cool tattoo! - ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Received: from MQUEUE by TVI_MAIL (Mercury 1.21); 24 Apr 96 21:47:16 MST Return-path: Received: from library.tvi.cc.nm.us by tvi_mail.tvi.cc.nm.us (Mercury 1.21); 24 Apr 96 21:47:08 MST Received: from MIT.EDU (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.69.0.28]) by library.tvi.cc.nm.us (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA06540 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 1996 20:24:54 -0600 From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Received: from [198.77.16.4] by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA29122; Wed, 24 Apr 96 23:17:45 EDT Message-Id: <9604250317.AA29122@MIT.EDU> To: somms@MIT.EDU Date: 24 Apr 1996 23:17:52 EDT Subject: Tattoos X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 00>I was also wondering if anyone knows about tattoos on the various 00>group members. Do they have any? Maybe for a thread what do you guys 00>think about what would be a cool SG tattoo? I like the little symbol 00>on the Ultramega CD that looks like two L's with two other lines. I'm 00>getting that tattoo ASAP. I don't think any of the members have tattoos, but I could be wrong. I think a cool tattoo would be the Badmotorfinger wheel. That thing's just so cool. If I got it, it would be red, with a blue outline. Nothingman -Just 'cause I have a big red nose that goes, "HONK!" ...doesn't mean I'm a clown. Terri L. Sanchez Student Job Placement Services Albuquerque Technical-Vocational Institute (505) 224-3060 tsanchez@tvi.cc.nm.us ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: bill nye actually, if anyone knows what episode it was (what the subject was), let me know -- i have a friend who wrote/writes for Bill Nye and she can get me a tape (which I then could copy for people, heh heh heh) - --caryn On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Dan "Pop-tart" Hearsch wrote: > i heard from someone that for one of his shows on sound or something, > bill nye the science guy went into the studio where SG was recording and > filmed the stuff. i never saw it, but i heard that eric lanning has a > copy of the tape or something. eric, is this true, and when can i see it? > what were they doing, are there any hints as to the content or anything? > did chris give bill one of those cool duct tape wallets that we had such > a discussion about a while back? enquiring minds want to know > > > > > i wanna know > ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Moving the bandwagon along! From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) >keep them as long as they sell units. And soon your fave band is gone. No >matter how talented a musician is if they don't have a big enough actively >buying fan base they will fade away. A good case in point is the Irish >guitarist Rory Gallagher. He never got that elusive "hit" and after a few >albums and small tours he disapeared. He was a great guitarist (right >Jamie??) but he is mostly unknown to all but a small fan base. He died >this past winter. He never stopped playing but alot of you don't know who >the hell he is!! Couldn't agree with you more Toni. It's a shame when a band has to have a following of coat tail fans in order to stay on top. But without them the band can be loss to the true fan. Rory Gallagher was an outstanding artist - for you that don't know him, know that the "Rolling Stones" asked him to join their line up and he refused. He didn't want to compromise his music. Now that my friends is someone who doesn't sell out. I want SG to have the same staying power as Led Zep. If that means having a trendy tell me that SG is just to awesome for words. Fine I'll live with it, knowing there is a group of people called the SOMMS mailing list that know just how great this band is. And please note when I say a trendy I'm talking about one of those people that knows only one video (i.e, BHS) from MTV, goes to a concert just because it's the thing to do with their peers. They may buy one CD (in SG case Superunknown), but never listen to any of the older stuff, never know the names of the band member (maybe Chris's name), usually doesn't know the names of any of the other songs (unless they come out as a video). Then forgets them the second the "hot" band to follow changes... The person who hears "PN" for the first time and then buys the CD, goes out and gets BMF, LtL, U-Ok, learns to love the group as someone who has for years - IS NOT A TRENDY. Fans all have to start somewhere and if someone starts with SG's next CD, nothing wrong with that... Jamie - What is Mozart doing now? He is decomposing. ------------------------------ From: Nate Crosswhite Subject: Re: Sticking up for Mr. Dog..... At 12:09 AM 4/25/96 -0400, ShRooMGrLz wrote: > Puh-leeeze Ross. SG didn't get famous because Chris is a babe. But >tell me this... why was Chris so intent on showing off his sexy body if he >didn't want any attention for it? If you'll notice, the majority of promo SG >shots have Chris without a shirt on. He had this coming. Heheheh... Hmmm... Maybe it's all those hot studio lights. You know, he's just dressing for the weather, not trying to be a hootchie. :-) Nate ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Chris and Politics (and other stuff) From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) >Probably a silly question, but exactly why did they interview Chris on >the subject of a minimum wage and other political issues? He's a >musician, not a politician. Would you expect a reporter to ask Clinton >or Yeltsin or Major (spot the British guy) what their opinion was on >the new sg album? I'm not saying that Chris isn't entitled to an >opinion on political matters, it just seems a rather strange topic to be >discussed. The interview was done on MTV that "M" stands for Music. I agree with Grant if this was a normal political talk show then having Chris interview would be strange. Although he has the right to speak on political issues as much as the next guy. But this was done on a musical (or at lease it once was) show. One of my sore spots with MTV is that they have actors and models on as guest all the time. They seem to be in ahhh of the acting/model world - more so than the musical. The only time you get members of a band is during the "Rock the Vote", News, Alternative Nation or 120 Min. segments. I must say Chris handle himself very well, he spoke with purpose and knew what he was talking about - that's sure beats some of the actors/models that have been on MTV. Chris always gives me the feeling he is never far from the common man. That no matter how wealthy he becomes, he will always thinks of his self as just an average all around guy. Talent and dignity that is my reasons for thinking Chris Cornell is one hell of a guy... Jamie Man is a thinking animal, a talking animal, a tool making animal, a building animal, a political animal, a fantasizing animal. But, in the twilight of a civilization he is chiefly a taxpaying animal. - Hugh MacLennan ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: flames, bandwagons, dogs & wallets i'm sure a few people are going to grumble, 'who is she to post something, she just joined this list' etc etc etc. whatever. the only reason i didn't join this list a long time ago is because some friends who were on here told me that it was a place of rampant irrational hate against pearl jam, and i have enough of that on the newsgroup, thankyouverymuch. but whatever. i can't believe we have to like justify when/why/how we joined the mailing list. then, the threads. ya know, i find the endless discussions about tabs really really really *yawn*. but i'm not a musician, and i recognize that it may really float the boat of people trying to play sg's music. yes, it is a HUGE pain in the butt (especially if you're on digest) to scroll through them to see if there's any value to them besides tabs. i've been (and am) on a few mailing lists, and i run a music-related one, and so i've seen the cycles and evolution of the lists. with all music lists, yes, the list is for the discussion of the music, but i think that many people here will agree with me that one of the reasons they joined the list was to hook up with other fans & connecting shared experiences. like talking about the weirdest place you ever heard sg, or what you think songs are about -- this stuff is *priceless* and it's why i'm here. but the silly threads are also part of it too. what we're building here is community, and you're not going to like everyone who lives in your neighborhood. but it's frustrating for some people. some people who don't like outspoken women for one (and don't tell me i'm exaggerating, most of the flames i've seen so far are guys telling women to shut the fuck up). frustrating for seth because (and this i KNOW) he started the list with one thing in mind, and it was probably this cozy little community at the beginning, then all sorts of people came in with stupid newbie questions, etc etc etc. i know what it's like to run a list and hate half the posts that are on it. the music? it's not "just" the music. it's the whole experience, isn't it? and it moves people differently. just like we all have ways of listening to the new album, it's not like there is one 'best' way. it's just different for each of us. that's what makes it fun, that's what makes it interesting. the shared experience (love for SG), experienced on different levels. and no one, no one, has the right to dictate what should or should not be discussed. not relevant or interesting? delete. end of story. but seth, yelling at us isn't going to change anything. really, it's like writing a song. once you've written it and it's out there, people are going to make it their own, no matter what it was about when you wrote it. the list has taken on a life of its own, and pontificating, even with the BEST of intentions, isn't going to change anything. as for the 'bandwagon thing': On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Jamesetta Simpson wrote: > The person who hears "PN" for the first time and then buys the CD, goes > out and gets BMF, LtL, U-Ok, learns to love the group as someone who has > for years - IS NOT A TRENDY. Fans all have to start somewhere and if someone > starts with SG's next CD, nothing wrong with that... thank you for saying it better than i could.... and ya know what else? FACE IT. chris cornell is GORGEOUS. so are/were roger daltrey, robert plant, and zillions of other front men. why the hell can't we revel in it??? if that's all we were talking about, fine, but most of the 'offenders' in question have plenty of other things to say... - --caryn ------------------------------ From: Mayor McCheese Subject: Re: concerning ben timberlake's harsh cut on seth. On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Fleur Weinstock wrote: > now, i think it's ricidulous to be scwabbling over this kind of thing > anyway, since the point IS soundgarden's music, i do want to say that i > > "KEEP IT OFF MY WAVE!" --sg > Fleur has it exactly right. This list is about music, primarily, and the band second. My Wave is a fitting example of what Chris thinks about all this extraneous shit that come up. I agree with seth all the way. There are more constructive ways to express one's sexuality that is less disruptive to this collection of friends. It's not worth agrueing about. I think what seth was trying to get across is that it's fine if you want to add your extraneous thoughts if the post is relevant to the band or music, but these extraneous thoughts should NOT be the primary content of the posts. Mayor McCheese XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX "I'm so bad, I kick my own ass twice a day!" -Creeper from Dolemite **By receiving this letter you can join the OFFICIAL MAYOR McCHEESE SOUNDGARDEN CAMPING EXTRAVAGANZA in Detroit Lakes, Minnesota now by replying to this letter with the subject: CAMPING TRIP! Or type f beyera@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu for info on how you can join!*** ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: Chris and Politics (and other stuff) On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Grant Asher wrote: > Probably a silly question, but exactly why did they interview Chris on > the subject of a minimum wage and other political issues? He's a > musician, not a politician. Would you expect a reporter to ask Clinton > or Yeltsin or Major (spot the British guy) what their opinion was on > the new sg album? I'm not saying that Chris isn't entitled to an > opinion on political matters, it just seems a rather strange topic to be > discussed. hate 'em or not, MTV has been *very* active in the past in trying to motivate their target audience (18-35, the most under-represented voting population in the US) to get off their butts and VOTE. i'd imagine that they think by having someone like chris speak to these subjects he will motivate people who look up to him. i see nothing wrong in that. - --caryn ------------------------------ From: "Lori S. Bingel" Subject: SG & the 7 deadly sins Hey y'all, My wind ensemble at school is performing a concert today, and one of the pieces is someone's musical interpretation of the Seven Deadly Sins, and it kind of made me think that it would be an interesting thread to start among this list. SO! What Soundgarden tune would you match up closely (in style and lyrical subject matter) to these 7 deadly sins (God, I hope I remember them all): 1. Pride 2. Lust 3. Avarice 4. Sloth 5. Gluttony 6. 7. SHIT !!! I can't remember the others but will post them as soona s I remember, but in the meanwhile I'd be very interested in what everyone has to say on this subject. later, Bingus ------------------------------ From: "Jennifer L. York" Subject: I -like- NOTE: This is not a freaky argument letter. I love you alllllllllllll ;) Nothingman could you please send me your home address and/or instructions on how to send you my money. I've been deleting big chunks of mail this week and I missed it. What is this about the singles on may 6?? Are these like the normal singles that everyone can get or some promo single thing that peons (like me) will never see in their lifetime. ___________________________________ Also, did I read that chris cornell interview wrong or did he say he's a republican? I don't care, really, but I'm curious. I guess that means I care. but not really. jennifer ------------------------------ From: "Audrey L. Hillyard" Subject: new singles Hey all, According to one of the ads in the newest Goldmine, there will be two versions of the Pretty Noose single (with different b-sides) available on CD May 6, as well as a colored vinyl version. Also, there's a clear vinyl pressing of the album available on May 20 that appears to be a UK import. I don't know if this means that the single won't be released til May 6, or only these versions. It also doesn't say what the b-sides are :( audrey ------------------------------ Subject: Re: SG & the 7 deadly sins From: "Matthew Lawrence" > > > > Hey y'all, > My wind ensemble at school is performing a concert today, and one > of the pieces is someone's musical interpretation of the Seven Deadly > Sins, and it kind of made me think that it would be an interesting thread > to start among this list. SO! What Soundgarden tune would you match up > closely (in style and lyrical subject matter) to these 7 deadly sins > (God, I hope I remember them all): > > 1. Pride > 2. Lust > 3. Avarice > 4. Sloth > 5. Gluttony > 6. 7. SHIT !!! I can't remember the others but will post them as soona s > I remember, but in the meanwhile I'd be very interested in what everyone > has to say on this subject. > I can't wait to hear Shroom's opinions on lust... ;) How about Wrath and Greed? Matt ------------------------------ From: Karen.Hester@vuw.ac.nz Subject: Obtaining The album Inspired by Nothingman's reply to "listening strategies, tar heel style..." The Sg fan is slathering at the mouth as the car screeches into the parking lot in front of the record store. Through clouds of spittle they repeat "Must get new Soundgarden album must get new Soundgarden album must get" like a grunge Gertrude Stein. The car crashes through glass into a Mariah window display, crushing cut-outs of the simpering siren beneath the wheels. The chant of "New Soundgarden album must get new" becomes louder and louder as the fan grabs the pitchfork from the front passenger seat and crawls from the injured vehicle. They launch into a spin, a flailing pirouette of metal spikes, and plow a path of carnage through the horrified Hootie crowd. The royal blood carpet leads to the object of their quest: The New Soundgarden Album. The fan throws their arms around the cd rack and sinks to their knees in greatful tears. Awwwwwwww. That was dreadful. Nothingman said: >Right now I am musically drained, and when I am searching for something >to listen to, I end up putting Soundgarden in, because I don't really >wanna listen to anythng I own right now. Do you ever get sick of Soundgarden songs? I often overwear albums and reach a level where they don't work emotionally any more, and there is nothing else to find, but that hasn't happened with many Sg songs. Kathie (OponFam@aol.com) repeated a wonderful ChrisQuote: "[Music] should have that effect on you, give you a euphoric feeling or take you away from whatever's bugging you, whatever's making you bored or pissed off....But a song should work in their bedrooms when they're by themselves. That's the real testing ground, when you can get people absorbed into it and carry them away." > That's what SG music does for me, it carries me away. > Kathie He puts it very well, doesn't he (well, d'oh, surprise). Similarly, Ben encapsulates those feelings with the beautiful ending line to Head Down - "head high like a song you like" - that is so perfect to me because it shows the way music influences mood and can carry you away from the dark particulars of daily life. And as so many people here have said, despite some gloomy lyrics, Sg's music can be uplifting. karen.hester@vuw.ac.nz ------------------------------ From: OponFam@aol.com Subject: Drawing Flies > "Dan \"Pop-tart\" Hearsch" >Subject: drawing flies >what i actually got out of the death thing, though i >didn't make the >point in my original post, was what i get out of a lot >of songs that >soundgarden do. and i say do because a lot of the songs >they that they >didn't write remind me of this thread as well. anyway, >i digress. the >death i see is not true death, as in this guy is dead >sitting there, >rotting, but his will, or maybe his ability, to create, >is dead. just >like someone said, and i apologize to that peson for >not being able to >give them proper credit for their ideas (i just read >the post, i gotta >stop drinking) but their point was that the song was >about the >frustrations about writing a song. i agree. the person >in this song is >frustrated and has given up being creative (it could be >any type of >creativity, song writing is just the most obvious and >supportable >conclusion here). It was me, and actually we agree more than we may have realized. I see that frustration with the stifling (and ultimate "death") of creativity in alot of their music too, especially in Chris' lyrics. Kathie ------------------------------ From: SonikDeth6@aol.com Subject: tour info does anyone know if SG is touring before or after lollapalooza by themselves? If so who would be the openning act? Also does anyone have confirmed dates/ticken info for lollapalooza? ------------------------------ From: Kelly Christa Jones Subject: sorry Sorry to post this to the whole list, but what is that 800 number again? I know it ends in ROCK and is ext 907 (right?), but my friend erased what I forwarded him Please mail me privately thanks KElly ------------------------------ Subject: Soundgarden for Donington? From: Brydon Cheyney CS95 As SG obviously worship at the feet of Kiss - who have announced that they WILL play Donington, do SG have a look in for a support slot? As usual there are rumours flying left, right and centre about which acts will appear at Donington this year and with the prospect of Kiss headlining, whose love of (and a love returned by) bands like SG, STP's, PJ , NIN and Anthrax is pretty public, the support line-up looks like the best since, well, last years awsome grouping of acts! To see Soundgarden as well as Kiss in FULL MAKE-UP, blasting out 'Parasite', 'Firehouse', 'Strutter' and the rest would make gig of the year in my book. Maybe even the Wildhearts could make it onto the bill - Britains best band since Ozzy left Black Sabbath! Any input from anyone else on this matter? - As Donington is usually scheduled for late July/early August it could fit in tour-wise... Cheers BC -Can you remember a British achievement, and living when times were good? -Watching the start of the end of an era, would you go back if you could? ------------------------------ From: dao5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Vinyl Steve, The cd store around here carries alot of vinyl, so when it comes out, I can buy a extra copy and send you one. Clown ------------------------------ Subject: SG List From: nephend@usa.pipeline.com (nancy e phend) To Whom It May Concern: I have been on this list since approx last July (I don't know if this makes me an original member or not). I have enjoyed reading almost all of the posts. I only post occasionaly. The "graphic" posts don't really bother me one way or the other but I feel that if our list admin (Seth) would like them to stop they should stop. Even if you don't feel this way if it wasn't for Seth there wouldn't be any list at all. I am afraid if this keeps up the list will end. Sorry, just had to put my two cents in. Looking forward to everyone's comments when the new CD comes out. nephend ------------------------------ From: Gonzo Subject: Re: SG & the 7 deadly sins At 07:19 PM 4/25/96 +0100, you wrote: >> >> >> >> Hey y'all, >> My wind ensemble at school is performing a concert today, and one >> of the pieces is someone's musical interpretation of the Seven Deadly >> Sins, and it kind of made me think that it would be an interesting thread >> to start among this list. SO! What Soundgarden tune would you match up >> closely (in style and lyrical subject matter) to these 7 deadly sins >> (God, I hope I remember them all): >> >> 1. Pride >> 2. Lust >> 3. Avarice >> 4. Sloth >> 5. Gluttony >> 6. 7. SHIT !!! I can't remember the others but will post them as soona s >> I remember, but in the meanwhile I'd be very interested in what everyone >> has to say on this subject. >> >I can't wait to hear Shroom's opinions on lust... ;) > >How about Wrath and Greed? > > Matt > 6.envy 7.rage 3.avarice=greed and that matches "Hands all over" in subject matter. 7.rage matches Mailman Gonzo ------------------------------ From: Chris Farley Subject: RE: SG & the 7 deadly sins 1. Pride - Big Dumb Sex 2. Lust - Big Dumb Sex 3. Avarice - What the hell is Avarice? 4. Sloth 5. Gluttony 6 Wrath - Jesus Christ Pose/Gun(Whenever I hear those songs I want to = set things on fire and kick people until they piss themselves and = promise never to do it again) 7 Greed Thats all I could think of right now. Add on!!! Later Chris ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: bill nye Yeah, my buddy saw it. Apparently Bill Nye was talking to Matt and (that hairy guy) Kim about mixing and bass and treble, and about sound. Something like that. I hope it reruns. Geoff On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Dan "Pop-tart" Hearsch wrote: > i heard from someone that for one of his shows on sound or something, > bill nye the science guy went into the studio where SG was recording and > filmed the stuff. i never saw it, but i heard that eric lanning has a > copy of the tape or something. eric, is this true, and when can i see it? > what were they doing, are there any hints as to the content or anything? > did chris give bill one of those cool duct tape wallets that we had such > a discussion about a while back? enquiring minds want to know > > > > > i wanna know > ------------------------------ From: David_H._Steinhage@nrunner.mil.wi.us Subject: Re: Perfect Noose, w/ a slight licorice tinge of nirvana >hey, look, i wrote the message with the above subject title, and if you >read it again more closely, you'll realize that i'm not calling sg a >nirvana rip-off and neither was any of the other people who were >commenting on what they heard in pretty noose. get your notes straight. >some of us thought that there was a tinge of nirvana in the song, which >is not rip-off, it's influence, and if it's done consciously it can also >be a kind of tribute or respect. what's your deal, david? and i'm a >she. >--fleur I wasn't replying to what you had said! Someone else about a month ago said SG was a Nirvana rip-off. On the fly. NOT YOU. This has nothing to do with Pretty Noose, no one had even heard Pretty Noose a month or 2 ago....Sorry...I was just commenting on how some people are like completely clueless... Dave ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: hate 4th of July strikes me as so apocalyptic. In fact there is a lot of apocalyptic imagery on the album. Anyone else notice this? Black Hole Sun is the same thing. Geoff On Wed, 24 Apr 1996 David_H._Steinhage@nrunner.mil.wi.us wrote: > I love 4th of July. It's so depressing it's good...I lived my first full day on > the 4th of July...(really) > > I think 4th of July is about the end of the world, like a big explosion (a > picture of an explosion in the Superunknown's booklet for 4th of July... "I > heard it in the wind, and I saw it in the sky, I thought it was the end, And i > thought it was the 4th of July.."...Not sure, but it makes sense.... > > > Dave > > > > > ------------------------------ From: Grant Asher Subject: Basketball Diaries I've just seen the film Basketball diaries. I saw on the soundtrack album that Soundgarden had a song called "Blind Dog" (I think). I didn't hear the song during the film, despite listening out for it. Did I miss it? Was it actually in the film, if so, at which part? BTW, it was an excellent film and I would thoroughly reccommend it. Grant Asher ------------------------------ From: Chris Kreidl Subject: umm, I dont have a subject ANOTHER TERRIBLE THING HAS HAPPENED!!!! Pretty Noose is on, and I lost the remote!!!!!!!! Cant turn it up a whole load!!!!!!!!!!! OH NO!!!!! Chris - -- ##################### #####___________________##### #####_| Chris Kreidl |_##### #####_| kreidl@newrock.com |_##### #####_|www.tripod.com/~GoatSniff/ |_##### ########################################### ################################################# #### #### #### .... .... #### #### .... .... #### #### #### #### ^ #### #### ^^^ #### #### #### #### _ _ #### #### |_ _| #### ##### |____________| ##### ###### ###### #################### ##### ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: . >As SG obviously worship at the feet of Kiss - who have announced >that they WILL play Donington, do SG have a look in for a support slot? Ummmm... I read that Ben HATES Kiss. Forgot where, but I think it said that Ben's not liking them was the reason they didn't contribute to the Kiss tribute album, or whatever. I personally hate Kiss, myself... so chalk one up for Ben. >I can't wait to hear Shroom's opinions on lust... ;) So soon after a flame war? Ummm... yah, what the hell. But remember people... flame me IN PRIVATE. Heheheh... The song I would relate most closely to lust would have to be (shocker) "Big Dumb Sex". I would follow that with "Kickstand". I don't care if some of y'all don't think "Kickstand" is a sexually oriented song, and maybe wasn't meant to be, but in my oh-so twisted mind the connections are undeniable. >Hmmm... Maybe it's all those hot studio lights. You know, he's just >dressing for the weather, not trying to be a hootchie. :-) Oh c'mon. Chris used to be the biggest hootchie/tease EVER. And before you people start freaking out about me calling Chris a hootchie... just know that I do it with affection. Besides... I can call him Bob if I so choose. ;) >Also, did I read that chris cornell interview wrong or did he say he's a >republican? Chris... the liberal republican? Oh god... just shoot me now... Actually, I don't think Chris is a republican. It seemed to me that he was arguing against the republican point of view, at least concerning the minimum wage issue. Y'know... it really doesn't seem fair to me how people are pointing out how Chris doesn't work for minimum wage. So what if he's a famous rock star now? It's not as though he hasn't had his share of lower-end jobs. He's worked for minimum wage before, so he knows what the hell he's talking about. Ok... enough "politics". Blah. Shroom "Honesty born in me... Heresy..." ~ Pantera (This describes me perfectly...) ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: bill nye The subject was sound, according to my friend. Geoff On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, caryn rose wrote: > > actually, if anyone knows what episode it was (what the subject was), let > me know -- i have a friend who wrote/writes for Bill Nye and she can get > me a tape (which I then could copy for people, heh heh heh) > > --caryn > > On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Dan "Pop-tart" Hearsch wrote: > > > i heard from someone that for one of his shows on sound or something, > > bill nye the science guy went into the studio where SG was recording and > > filmed the stuff. i never saw it, but i heard that eric lanning has a > > copy of the tape or something. eric, is this true, and when can i see it? > > what were they doing, are there any hints as to the content or anything? > > did chris give bill one of those cool duct tape wallets that we had such > > a discussion about a while back? enquiring minds want to know > > > > > > > > > > i wanna know > > > ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: Soundgarden for Donington? I don't know where you got the idea that Soundgarden worships Kiss, because in my opinion Soundgarden bows to NO ONE. It's also well known that Ben despises Kiss. I think it's one of the major reasons that McCheese loves Ben. Support slot for Kiss? I don't think so. Geoff On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Brydon Cheyney CS95 wrote: > > As SG obviously worship at the feet of Kiss - who have announced that they WILL > play Donington, do SG have a look in for a support slot? > > As usual there are rumours flying left, right and centre about which acts will > appear at Donington this year and with the prospect of Kiss headlining, whose > love of (and a love returned by) bands like SG, STP's, PJ , NIN and Anthrax is > pretty public, the support line-up looks like the best since, well, last years > awsome grouping of acts! > > To see Soundgarden as well as Kiss in FULL MAKE-UP, blasting out 'Parasite', > 'Firehouse', 'Strutter' and the rest would make gig of the year in my book. > Maybe even the Wildhearts could make it onto the bill - Britains best band since > Ozzy left Black Sabbath! > > Any input from anyone else on this matter? - As Donington is usually scheduled > for late July/early August it could fit in tour-wise... > > Cheers > BC > > -Can you remember a British achievement, and living when times were good? > -Watching the start of the end of an era, would you go back if you could? > ------------------------------ From: ansel@morgan.com Subject: Re: Basketball Diaries 'Blind Dogs' plays through the end credits. A shame. It's a beautiful piece & should have been used more effectively. -Vikki ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Basketball Diaries Author: Grant Asher at nylanr01 Date: 4/25/96 11:19 PM I've just seen the film Basketball diaries. I saw on the soundtrack album that Soundgarden had a song called "Blind Dog" (I think). I didn't hear the song during the film, despite listening out for it. Did I miss it? Was it actually in the film, if so, at which part? BTW, it was an excellent film and I would thoroughly reccommend it. Grant Asher ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: Basketball Diaries On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Grant Asher wrote: > I've just seen the film Basketball diaries. I saw on the soundtrack > album that Soundgarden had a song called "Blind Dog" (I think). I > didn't hear the song during the film, despite listening out for it. Did I > miss it? Was it actually in the film, if so, at which part? > BTW, it was an excellent film and I would thoroughly > reccommend it. i thought the film sucked big time, but would HEARTILY recommend the book on which it was based. :-) (and no, i don't think you hear the song in the movie. typical) - --caryn ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: unsubscribe I was just thinking the same thing! I MUST be a huge fan, to stay on this long. Not that the list isn't great, but it has had its moments. Like someone mentioned, it is a community. And it will grow, with the coming of the new album. Speaking of which, Down on the Upside will be the first major album released since the list started. AITS was released, of course, but only 5 songs, most of which were previously released. Just think, 16(?) songs to rave about, review, interpret, and psychoanalyse. I wonder how many of the 400+ on the list will buy the album the first day? I know I will. Later, Geoff On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, caryn rose wrote: > > for those worried about bandwagon jumpers... remember, you REALLY have > to like the band to keep up with this list!! ;) > > On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Julie White wrote: > > > please get me off this list! > > > > Julie > > > > > > > ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: Basketball Diaries BLind Dogs plays during the credits at the end. You have to wait a minute after they start, and then BLind Dogs starts. I don't even think they play the entire song though. Geoff On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Grant Asher wrote: > I've just seen the film Basketball diaries. I saw on the soundtrack > album that Soundgarden had a song called "Blind Dog" (I think). I > didn't hear the song during the film, despite listening out for it. Did I > miss it? Was it actually in the film, if so, at which part? > BTW, it was an excellent film and I would thoroughly > reccommend it. > > Grant Asher > > ------------------------------ From: "Lori S. Bingel" Subject: 7 sins Oh yeah... 6. Envy 7. Anger ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: Windows 95 Soundgarden Desktop I suggested a while ago, that we should try to come up witha Soundgarden Screensaver. I have not yet seen the one in question in that Win95 package, but I have come up with a SG screensaver of my own. I have a piece of software called Vueprint, and it has a n option to create a screensaver from images you have; it play them like a slide show. So I downloaded a SHITLOAD of images from Seth's site, and created my own. The newest version can also play video, although I have not figured out if you can make it play them full screen. The videos from AITS would make perfect screeensavers. I agreee with Shroom, though, you can make an awesome desktop using a little creativity. Geoff On Wed, 24 Apr 1996 ShRooMGrLz@aol.com wrote: > I downloaded that SG theme tonight, and you're right Seth. It's a piece > of crap. My suggestion to everyone running Win 95 is to make your own SG > theme. I played around with the desktop on my computer tonight, and I came > up with THE most STUNNING Chris Cornell/SG theme ever. I took an absolutely > gorgeous picture of Chris (which I liberated from the page), renamed it as a > .bmp, and used it as my wallpaper. I made a few groovy icons out of > different SG pictures I clipped (such as Chris' eye, guitar, face). Then I > added some SG wavs I made (Chris saying "Bye, folks", Chris saying "Ok, > everybody take off your shirt!!", etc...). The only thing I used from that > original SG theme was the screen saver. I am so jazzed about this thing!!! > It may take awhile to get everything just how you like it, people... but > it's worth the effort!! I swear... I'll never turn off my computer again (oh > wait... I never turn it off anyway... ummm... never mind). > > -=Shroom=- > ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... *** Chris Cornell > | > |.| > |.| > |\./| "She drinkin' my JackDaniels > |\./| and smokin' all my weed" > .\ |\./| /. ~~Andy Wood, MLB > \-.\ |\\.//| /.-/ > \--./\ |\\.//| /\.--/ > \--.| \ |\\.//| / |.--/ > \---.|\ |\./| /|.---/ > \--.|\ |\./| /|.--/ > \ .\ |.| /. / > _ -_- \ \\ // / -_- _ > - -/_/_/- | | -\_\_\- - > /_\ > > ------------------------------ From: dani.wegelin@prodigy.com (MISS DANI G WEGELIN) Subject: * i'd like to second that one seth....thank you. oh yeah, nothingman....about the shirts...i have no idea where to send $$ to, or how much....i think you have my address, i dunno.... drop me a line... mwah, dani ------------------------------ From: Fleur Weinstock Subject: Re: hate On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, onefellswoop wrote: > 4th of July strikes me as so apocalyptic. In fact there is a lot of > apocalyptic imagery on the album. Anyone else notice this? Black Hole > Sun is the same thing. > Geoff > i totally agree!!! 4th of july: "thought it was the end...." the black hole sun video is of course incredibly apocalyptic, with that black hole sucking everything up and all those middle-class people going into some weird death-orgasm. what can we say; they're great, stunning, truly revolutionary and transcendent. deep in the garden of sound, fleur de vie ------------------------------ From: caryn rose Subject: Re: Soundgarden for Donington? sorry to break it to you, but EVERY kid (male for the most part) who grew up in the 70's and cared about music worshipped kiss. musically they may be far more influenced by punk rock, but kiss were just plain fuckin' COOL. i don't think it's an issue of "bows" but rather "has respect for" or "admires". big difference. - --caryn On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, onefellswoop wrote: > I don't know where you got the idea that Soundgarden worships Kiss, > because in my opinion Soundgarden bows to NO ONE. It's also well known > that Ben despises Kiss. I think it's one of the major reasons that > McCheese loves Ben. Support slot for Kiss? I don't think so. > Geoff > > > On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Brydon Cheyney CS95 wrote: > > > > > As SG obviously worship at the feet of Kiss - who have announced that they WILL > > play Donington, do SG have a look in for a support slot? > > > > As usual there are rumours flying left, right and centre about which acts will > > appear at Donington this year and with the prospect of Kiss headlining, whose > > love of (and a love returned by) bands like SG, STP's, PJ , NIN and Anthrax is > > pretty public, the support line-up looks like the best since, well, last years > > awsome grouping of acts! > > > > To see Soundgarden as well as Kiss in FULL MAKE-UP, blasting out 'Parasite', > > 'Firehouse', 'Strutter' and the rest would make gig of the year in my book. > > Maybe even the Wildhearts could make it onto the bill - Britains best band since > > Ozzy left Black Sabbath! > > > > Any input from anyone else on this matter? - As Donington is usually scheduled > > for late July/early August it could fit in tour-wise... > > > > Cheers > > BC > > > > -Can you remember a British achievement, and living when times were good? > > -Watching the start of the end of an era, would you go back if you could? > > > ------------------------------ From: Fleur Weinstock Subject: Re: . shroom does have her up days! (no, really, i think chris is good-looking too, but i like this list material better (i've got my own comments below these, so keep reading): On Thu, 25 Apr 1996 ShRooMGrLz@aol.com wrote: > Heheheh... The song I would relate most > closely to lust would have to be (shocker) "Big Dumb Sex". I would follow > that with "Kickstand". >Y'know... it really doesn't seem fair to me how people are > pointing out how Chris doesn't work for minimum wage. So what if he's a > famous rock star now? It's not as though he hasn't had his share of > lower-end jobs. He's worked for minimum wage before, so he knows what the > hell he's talking about. Ok... enough "politics". Blah. > > Shroom - --------the point about chris knowing bout minimum wage is of course totally relevant. people do have a past, and all, and he wasn't born a rock star.... - -------- about kickstand: how the hell can the lyrics "kickstand, you got loose, and i threw up" be about sex???? how many times do you throw up after sex, shroom? (don't answer that one) - --yours, fleur de vie ------------------------------ From: Landrew Scopenchild Subject: listening strategies, tar heel style. The other day, nothingman wrote: > > TO>1. Buy cd. This may prove difficult because first you may have to beat > > TO>the airhead Hootie fans in order to reach DOTU. Then, you have to deal > > TO>with the people wondering why the hell you have a cd in your hand that > > TO>doesn't have a conformist pop song on it (at least i hope it won't). > > Even if it does, it will be the best damn conformist pop song > > ever...unless it has Mariah Carey on it... Good point. I'd actually like to hear a song with Chris Cornell and Mariah Carey...Wait, before i'm burned at the stake, let me explain. First of all, Chris would write the music, therefore the music wouldn't suck. Secondly, chris would get to show her up vocally. (She'd feel pretty bad when he hit higher notes than her. > > TO>Well, just stare down at the cd, and know that one day you will cherish > > TO>it like a child... > > No way! Run in, pushing all the Hootie fans outta the way, and > > stepping on the Barney fans, grab the CD like you're a running back > > getting the ball for the last play in the final seconds of the Super > > Bowl hmm...good plan, but the normals would FREAK.... >(down by two....no fear, and all that bullshit), Hey! that's not bullshit! it's the american tradition..ty cobb and all that...(<- sg reference) and scream, "YES! > > YES!!! NOW MY MISSION IS COMPLETE! NOW I CAN RETURN TO MY HOME POD > > AND HIBERNATE TILL THE COWS COME HOME TO ROOST!" And i thought the people in the computer lab looked at me strange when i started singing Exit Stonehenge... and maybe in all the > > excitement, the store people will forget to make you pay. That would > > make the album that much better. Maybe, but if they don't forget to make you pay, you might get arrested, also making the album that much better... > > TO>2. Drive home. But watch your spedometer carefully. I have found that > > TO>the purchase of a sg cd has tremendous effects on the weight of my pedal > > TO>foot. > > White Zombie has this same effect. Soundgarden also has this effect when played on a loud in detail car stereo. If your car stereo only provides bass, try slaves and bulldozers to achieve this effect, as the bassline of that song is utterly awesome. which reminds me, anyone got the bass tabs for that song? foreshocks? > > TO>3. Insert cd in player. > > Nah. Wrong again. I'm buying the album on vinyl on the 14, so I can > > finally use my record player. What's a reh-cord? Vinyl's that stuff the interior of my car is made of. > > But a lot of times, the music is accentuated by the lyrics, so knowing > > what a song is about (or at least knowing what he is saying) helps the > > music along. I'll buy that. I usually read the lyrics in the mall right after I buy > > it. Me too. > > Or at least some of them. It's funny how I can get a meaning out > > of a song before ever hearing it, and then when I hear it, the singer > > will sing it a different way, or phrase it differently, and it will > > have a totally different meaning. That makes it interesting. you sound like me and Alice in chains. > > TO>No way. When you hear one you like, look at the track number. You will > > TO>eventually like them all, so don't try to absorb it all at once. At the > > TO>same time though, don't neglect a song you might like immediately. > > I did this when I heard Badmotorfinger. I LOVED Outshined right when I > > heard it. And I always skipped right over Rusty Cage to hear it. And > > Drawing Flies. I always skipped over Mind Riot to hear Drawing Flies. > > Now, Rusty Cage and Mind Riot are two of my favorite songs (along with > > Drawing Flies, still) on that album. See, told you this was a good strategy. > > The more I listen to Soundgarden, the less time it takes to start > > loving the album. That works for me too...if i hear the tone of that guild, i know that i will like the song someday. and probly someday soon. My brain has been taught to realize that that tone means good music...wonder how that happened... -j aka Chicka Jackeen, A Livein Thesu (Per Unkn Own). Boom biddy bye bye! ***************************************************************************** The Only Colloquialism Page i know of: http://www.unc.edu/~toybox/words.html "Watch out for the wierdos." "We are the wierdos, mr." -The Craft. I MUST SEE THIS MOVIE. I MUST. ------------------------------ From: Jentje Subject: Somthin' to read WHOA. Lately, I've been sitting back, quietly reading everything that's being said here (more or less), and is it just me , or is all hell starting to break loose over who knows what. Maybe it's just that everyone here is starting to get realy, realy anxious about getting to listen to the new album ( I know I am). No I still haven't heard Pretty Noose yet (damn, damn, damn!). Yeah I see where lots of people are comming from when they are worrying about Soundgarden becoming too big and selling out. Too many people (groupies) might start hounding them, following them around while not having a real clue what SG's music is all about. Though eventualy they will move on to another group and so on, so basicaly they are only a temperary threat. Mind you, some of them might hear the new album, really like Soundgarden, go and by other albums and more or less turn into one of us. I guess only time will tell what will happen once Down on the Upside will be released. Oh yeah, there was one thing that I was wondering about KOTS. Well, I had already e-mailed them a couple of times and they asked for my address and stuff like that to send me stuff that has to do with the band. Could it be I might of found myself a free shortcut into the fanclub? Or will all i receive is something like " here is what you could get if you send us your money.." Well, anyhow, before I put you to sleep ( whoever actually reads this!), I just hope that this whole war that I think might have had something to do with the CC POLL, will resolve. I personaly find nothing wrong with it. It's just for fun. TOODLES! Jenn * you know, I really better find myself a cool quote or expression, I feel so left out!* ------------------------------ From: LITTLE JOE Subject: sacrilege! How the hell can anyone say that seth does not have the right to dictate in anyway what gets put on the list? I don't think some people appreciate the amount of work he puts in so that we can sidle in and read our mail each day. It's a list for the benefit of all of us, but it would not be here if it were not for him. at no time has he tried to limit the enjoyment of anyone on it. In fact it has been frustrating at times that he has not stepped in to stop some threads. All this shit that we have been seeing lately is just that *shit*. If this what gives you enjoyment, I'm sorry but I think you are in the wrong place. By making the points he did seth is merely trying to protect the enjoyment that your average list member derives from SOMMS. It is not just an isolated incident in my opinion that has caused him to do it, but a constant barrage of basically off topic posts. I myself am sick of opening my inbox and deleting all but a handful of messages every day. The fact that he is saying it now does not mean he has changed it is simply because it never needed saying in the past. As for the stupid lock- of- hair post brought to us by the ever scintillating Heather/Schroom tag team....it's dumb. Blind dog got up and said what a lot of other list members could not be bothered saying. True it has lead to another on-list flamewar but he, like Seth and myself see that something has to be done to stem the tide of bandwidth wasting crapola. I don't see how you could possibly call into question his posting to the list in the light of what you two generally contribute. It is always on topic and interesting and often provides information to the list that has not been heard before. In the past there was never a need for a defined set of rules, i think we benefited from the fact that Soundgarden fans are in the most part fairly intelligent. Oh well i guess a bad apple had to come along eventually. This is why people who know what they are talking about are standing up and saying what's what. I can see the 'bill of rights' flames flooding my mailbox but hey, some things have to be said. ___________________________ = ALIVE IN THE SUPERUNKNOWN = =========================== ------------------------------ From: "Dan \"Pop-tart\" Hearsch" Subject: Re: bill nye tell caryn which one it was, she said something about knowing someone who could get her copies of any episode. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Get sick? Nah. KA>>Right now I am musically drained, and when I am searching for something KA>>to listen to, I end up putting Soundgarden in, because I don't really KA>>wanna listen to anythng I own right now. KA>Do you ever get sick of Soundgarden songs? I often overwear albums and KA>reach a level where they don't work emotionally any more, and there is KA>nothing else to find, but that hasn't happened with many Sg songs. I rarely get sick of Soundgarden. That's why I always go back to it. Sometimes I find myself listening to an album over and over again (usually in my car with Louder Than Love, and Ultramega OK), and then I will take it out, but sometimes I go right back to it the next day. I ALMOST overplayed Superunknown (it didn't leave my CD changer for more than a year), but then one of my friends borrowed it (which I've NEVER done before, but I realized I was overplaying it). So now everything is peachy in Soundgarden world over here, especially now that I have a bunch of Soundgarden stuff I didn't have before. Now I just need to find something else interesting that catches my ear, and holds on. I'm about sick of all my other music, and the music that is coming out now (especially the popular stuff on the radio) really blows goats. Who the hell are Dog's Eye View, and why are they on the radio every second? Did they only record one song, or what? Nothingman -Since the explosion of my tape player, I've realized the radio sucks. ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 106] ****************************************