From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Thursday, 25 Apr 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 02:55:27 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Thursday, 25 Apr 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Windows 95 Soundgarden Desktop Re: Windows 95 Soundgarden Desktop Re: Windows 95 Soundgarden Desktop Did you miss me? must be something good... Re: Windows 95 Soundgarden Desktop Re: listening strategies, tar heel style... lollapalooza Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 24 Apr 1996 Lolla Dates? new modern rock mailing list the new single? Re: Pretty noose Re: the new single? Re: lollapalooza soft Moving the bandwagon along! "Pretty Noose" single Pretty Noose (again) Re: Moving the bandwagon along! Re: knights of the soundtable Re: knights of the soundtable Re: Cornell lyrics Re: Cornell lyrics Re: knights of the soundtable First listen... MATT! Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 24 Apr 1996 Sg and Sex To each his own from the source...KOTS HAS MOVED! Sticking up for Mr. Dog..... Drawing Flies People generally getting pissed off... Re: the new single? Re: Did you miss me? HEhe... Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 24 Apr 1996 Tattoos Re: Windows 95 Soundgarden Desktop Re: Cornell lyrics Shiny hair LTL & guitar tab PRETTY NOOSE TAB... I can transcribe it for ya.... SG wavs... Re: Sticking up for Mr. Dog..... drawing flies mtv news LTL & guitar tab baby Re: mtv news Re: baby Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 24 Apr 1996 ------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: Windows 95 Soundgarden Desktop From: "Nigel Wilks" I have got the Soundgarden theme for Windows 95 on my ftp server, it should be more reliable than the other, so if you have problems downloading try my site at ftp://www.cssatt.co.uk/WWW/Users/nwa/95/sdgarden.zip - -- Nigel Wilks ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Windows 95 Soundgarden Desktop From: seth > I have got the Soundgarden theme for Windows 95 on my ftp server, it > should be more reliable than the other, so if you have problems > downloading try my site at > ftp://www.cssatt.co.uk/WWW/Users/nwa/95/sdgarden.zip I've also added it to the Web page (for what I believe to be a crappy collection of stuff, this thing sure is getting a lot of attention). http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/images/index-desktop.html is where I've put all of the Windows and Mac desktop stuff. seth ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: Windows 95 Soundgarden Desktop I downloaded that SG theme tonight, and you're right Seth. It's a piece of crap. My suggestion to everyone running Win 95 is to make your own SG theme. I played around with the desktop on my computer tonight, and I came up with THE most STUNNING Chris Cornell/SG theme ever. I took an absolutely gorgeous picture of Chris (which I liberated from the page), renamed it as a .bmp, and used it as my wallpaper. I made a few groovy icons out of different SG pictures I clipped (such as Chris' eye, guitar, face). Then I added some SG wavs I made (Chris saying "Bye, folks", Chris saying "Ok, everybody take off your shirt!!", etc...). The only thing I used from that original SG theme was the screen saver. I am so jazzed about this thing!!! It may take awhile to get everything just how you like it, people... but it's worth the effort!! I swear... I'll never turn off my computer again (oh wait... I never turn it off anyway... ummm... never mind). -=Shroom=- ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... *** Chris Cornell | |.| |.| |\./| "She drinkin' my JackDaniels |\./| and smokin' all my weed" .\ |\./| /. ~~Andy Wood, MLB \-.\ |\\.//| /.-/ \--./\ |\\.//| /\.--/ \--.| \ |\\.//| / |.--/ \---.|\ |\./| /|.---/ \--.|\ |\./| /|.--/ \ .\ |.| /. / _ -_- \ \\ // / -_- _ - -/_/_/- | | -\_\_\- - /_\ ------------------------------ From: "Mercyhurst Prep Library" Subject: Did you miss me? Hey, fellow listers! I'm back after a longer than expected absence. I ended up being on digest--thanks Seth--for 2 1/2 weeks! 10 days of that were spent in Germany and Italy. In a word, if you ever have a chance to go abroad, esp. w/ a tour group so you get better rates and don't have to drive, DO IT! The bad news is that while I was gone, my mother died--what wondeful news to get hit with when you get off the bus from the airport, yes? So I took all of last week off to help get things settled. I'm back now! Just wanted you all to know, in case I've missed emailing anyone I'm in touch w/ regularly. NOTHINgMAN--is it too late to send you a money order for my tee shirt? Geez, miss a few days and the world leaves you behind! I saw no deadline in the digests... I noticed a few new people coming on the list, and I noticed a few questions about a Sg fanzine and someone was mentioning Syzygy in my absence. If you know about this, stop reading here; if you're new and heard something someplace, let me settle things. Syzygy is a music zine that concentrates on the "Seattle scene". We put in as much Sg (and AIC) news as we can in every issue, but we are not just a Sg zine--too limiting. We do work closely w/ Silver Management and several other Seattle managements, so we get real news--ie, we don't just rehash stuff from magazines that's old news anyway. B/c of our ties w/ Silver Management, we've been given alot of opportunities to interview some of the up and coming bands in the area. One you'll hear alot about from me is Inflatable Soule--great music, great people, AND 3 Cornells in one band. CC's brother Peter is the lead vox, and 2 of the sisters also do vox, percussion, etc. Other bands we've covered or will be covering include Citizen Swing, Give, 50 Paces, Sweet Water, Lazy Susan--that's just a sampling. If any newbies want more info just email me. OK fellow listers, thanks for letting me fill in the gaps I saw springing up on the digests. I know a few people have told me not to bring up the zine or that some on the list don't like it, but Seth did a web page for the thing after he saw it, so....but that'll be the last time, probably, b/c I'll only have email for about another 6-7 weeks. Check out http://www.sgi.net/syzygy and yes, there is a picture of Inf. Soule there so you can check out the Cornell sibs! I missed everyone while I was gone! ti amo! ciao! deb /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Mercyhurst Preparatory School Keeping you connected in 1995! /\/\/\/\/\(C)1995TMK/\/\/\/\/\/\ ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: must be something good... S3> you mean you honestly can't see the ridiculousness of what S3>heather said shroom? of all the hypothetical things you could do in this S3>hypothetical (albeit dumb) situation and thread, heather wants to 'just S3>look through chris' wallet and maybe cut a lock of hair'. is that not the S3>dumbest thing you have ever heard? And what would YOU do if you found him unconscious in a field? S3>I noticed that it wasn't matt or kim unconscious S3>in a field What about Ben? Isn't Ben allowed to be knocked out in a field? S3> '...and maybe cut a lock of his hair'? what a boneheaded idea. Yeah, how dumb. You shoulda cut the lock back when his hair was longer. ;) Nothingman -I've got an idea of something we can do with an unconscious person... ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: Windows 95 Soundgarden Desktop SA>> I have got the Soundgarden theme for Windows 95 on my ftp server, it SA>> should be more reliable than the other, so if you have problems SA>> downloading try my site at SA>> ftp://www.cssatt.co.uk/WWW/Users/nwa/95/sdgarden.zip SA>I've also added it to the Web page (for what I believe to be a crappy SA>collection of stuff, this thing sure is getting a lot of attention). SA>http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/images/index-desktop.html is where I've SA>put all of the Windows and Mac desktop stuff. I downloaded all that shit, and so far, I don't see anything special, but maybe that's because I can't get the whole thing to work. How do i get the whole theme to work together all at once? I think I'm just overlooking something stupid. Nothingman -What the hell? .the file? "Yeah, man, it's a theme file..." ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: listening strategies, tar heel style... WE>what's One Minute of Silence? Nothing for a minute. Nothingman -IT'S ME! IT'S ME! ------------------------------ From: Fleur Weinstock Subject: lollapalooza hi. this is a general enquiry into the nature of lollapalooza concerts, of which i've never been to. people have been telling me that they don't let you bring in your own food or drink. have you peoploids been to lollapalooza, and what's it like? in the total realistic complete beautiful soundgarden, fleur de vie ------------------------------ From: nevin@ee.iitb.ernet.in (Nevin Kapur (92007027)) Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 24 Apr 1996 Jackhammer wrote: > Funny - when I'm feeling down I invariably get the same two lines of Mailman > playing... > > I know I'm headed for the bottom > But I'm riding you all the way > > It's like a broken record, same two lines over and over...ah well, that's > just me! Is that a coincidence or what? The same thing happens to me!! In fact, I scribbled the above words on a t-shirt in black fabric paint. ( It isn't much of a t-shirt, but it does the job). I have been on the list for a couple of weeks and have been looking for some kind of an opening to jump in. What better way than to with a post expressing solidarity with another list member. Cool! - -- Nevin Kapur * Electrical Engineering * IIT-Bombay http://ee.iitb.ernet.in/~nevin, nevin@ee.iitb.ernet.in ------------------------------ From: ansel@morgan.com Subject: Lolla Dates? Q104.3 New York said they expect a complete list of Lolla dates this Friday. -Vikki ------------------------------ From: Tim Miller Subject: new modern rock mailing list there is now a new mailing list which will deal with any and all of the modern rock today like pearl jam, smashing pumpkins, nirvana, nine inch nails, and of course soundgarden. many many more too.. (i'm just naming the bands i like ;) it's a manual controlled list, and if you want to subscribe, just send a message to bapst@oswego.oswego.edu with a subject of 'subscribe velvet underground'. and tell 'im tim sent ya ;) just so there's some hint of sg content in this message, i went to media play yesterday and got the new zero single, tori's latest, then i completed my soundgarden album collection with my purchase of 'louder than love'. i do have the complete collection now, right? superunknown, BMF, LtL, ultramegaOK, SL/fopp, and even the flower single. i'm pretty sure i got all the albums now, so sg joins an elite club or gets an award or something.... it's quite an accomplishment ;) also, if anyone's down in da dumps because they think they're the last ones to hear 'pretty noose', then think again. i have no radio reception (is that a good or bad thing?) and have yet to hear it.... i probably won't until the 21st. - -tim ------------------------------ From: j_crocke@unity.ncsu.edu Subject: the new single? when does the single for "pretty noose" come out.... i thought it was today, or is it just radio play today...? either i'm a dumbass or the local record store doesn't know shit... what's the deal? thanks, Jeremy ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Pretty noose From: "Matthew Lawrence" > just so there's some hint of sg content in this message, i went to media play > yesterday and got the new zero single, tori's latest, then i completed my > soundgarden album collection with my purchase of 'louder than love'. i do have > the complete collection now, right? superunknown, BMF, LtL, ultramegaOK, > SL/fopp, and even the flower single. i'm pretty sure i got all the albums now, > so sg joins an elite club or gets an award or something.... it's quite an > accomplishment ;) How about Somms? > > also, if anyone's down in da dumps because they think they're the last ones to > hear 'pretty noose', then think again. i have no radio reception (is that a > good or bad thing?) and have yet to hear it.... i probably won't until the > 21st. I think it's a good thing, it would probably spoil the album to have heard any of the songs before the whole album, besides which, I have no means of hearing it since I can't afford an international call and this network doesn't handle sound.. But I'm glad about that, cause I'm not gonna get tempted into spoiling my listening pleasure of the new album.. :) Matt ------------------------------ Subject: Re: the new single? From: seth > when does the single for "pretty noose" come out.... i thought it was > today, or is it just radio play today...? either i'm a dumbass or the > local record store doesn't know shit... what's the deal? I believe it's just supposed to begin radio play today; it occurred to me last night, because of something Blind Dog mentioned to me, that the single would probably be in stores in the US on this coming Tuesday, April 30. It will probably be available to the rest of the world on Monday, April 29. If anyone can back this up, it would be greatly appreciated. seth ------------------------------ From: Gary Subject: Re: lollapalooza I have been to a few lollapaloozas and it's pretty much complete pandemonium. If you even have to buy a ticket to your days show, you are seeing it at the wrong place. The way some of these outdoor shows are set up, people from the woods around the concert area flood the field. And to answer your question, yes bring whatever you want(I think?????????)! On Wed, 24 Apr 1996, Fleur Weinstock wrote: > > > hi. this is a general enquiry into the nature of lollapalooza concerts, > of which i've never been to. people have been telling me that they don't > let you bring in your own food or drink. have you peoploids been to > lollapalooza, and what's it like? > > > > in the total realistic complete beautiful soundgarden, > > fleur de vie > ------------------------------ From: Michael J Sharkey Subject: soft Readers, On yesterdays page a number of members wrote and responded to Soundgarden selling out or becoming "soft." To this I say bullshit. First in using the word soft what do you mean? If you are going to make such a statement please clarify. By saying soft I think you are saying SG is compromising their sound to sell records. Is that what you are saying? If so bullshit! Popular music, as Thayil said, is moving towards soundgarden, not visa-versa. What is the popular music of today? Who knows? Anything from Green Day with a continuous repetition of power chords to Coolio. Basically I want to know what you think soft is. Agitated, Mike "I beat up Royce Gracie" Sharkey ------------------------------ Subject: Moving the bandwagon along! From: tonerkin@usa.pipeline.com (Tonerkin) I have been reading the posts on bandwagons and having to share Soundgarden with interest. I understand where people are coming from there is nothing worse than dealing with a person that is subscribed to the "t-shirt of the month" philosophy of liking the newest "hot" band. And yes, after seeing your favorite band in a small venue and than having to troop to a large arena and see little ants on stage is tough. BUT you must remember if there is no one that gets on that wagon a band will continue to play small places but eventually if they have a record deal a record company will only keep them as long as they sell units. And soon your fave band is gone. No matter how talented a musician is if they don't have a big enough actively buying fan base they will fade away. A good case in point is the Irish guitarist Rory Gallagher. He never got that elusive "hit" and after a few albums and small tours he disapeared. He was a great guitarist (right Jamie??) but he is mostly unknown to all but a small fan base. He died this past winter. He never stopped playing but alot of you don't know who the hell he is!! So let's welcome a few new band wagon members OK?? There are worse things like getting old and having young snot nosed kids tell you that a band that has always been dear to your heart sucks and are dinosaurs. Or worse yet, you have to listen to an "oldies" station to hear some of your faves!! Toni ------------------------------ Subject: "Pretty Noose" single From: seth SGKOTS informs me that there will *not* be a CD5 released for "Pretty Noose." Now I'm confused. seth ------------------------------ From: Michael Wayne Cornell <00204185@bigred.unl.edu> Subject: Pretty Noose (again) Hey All- On Apr. 24 this was posted: >Yet, here's something that might not sit to well with some of >you...Half >way through the song while I was regaining consciousness I really >thought >the song was very much like a Nirvana song. Not a particular Nirvana >song, but most of Nirvana's song. You know, calm until you reach the >chorus, then yell the chorus. There was something in the music that >reminded me of Nirvana. I only heard it once, so I can't say what it >was. IMO, it's better than anything Nirvana could have produced, I was trying really hard to catch what it was about Nirvana, cause I heard it, too. I think that the chord progression or maybe the bass note prog. sounds a lot like "In Bloom' on Nevermind. The way the guitar is played, with the palm muting in-between the actual chords, (if you listen for it, you'll know what I mean) sounds like Kurt's style, with his picking hand always keeping the rhythm. I DO think the song's in Dropped-D, though. I was also wondering if anyone knows about tattoos on the various group members. Do they have any? Maybe for a thread what do you guys think about what would be a cool SG tattoo? I like the little symbol on the Ultramega CD that looks like two L's with two other lines. I'm getting that tattoo ASAP. Peace - --Mike ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: Moving the bandwagon along! >BUT you must remember if >there is no one that gets on that wagon a band will continue to play small >places but eventually if they have a record deal a record company will only >keep them as long as they sell units. And soon your fave band is gone. I definitely don't want SG to disappear... but I've got to admit, when I first heard about the new album, I was hoping like crazy that everyone would think that it sucked. That way they would go back to playing clubs and I would finally get my dream to see my favorite band in a small venue, and get to meet them as well!! I know... it's selfish... but what can I say? I'm a spoiled beotch... >So let's welcome a few new band wagon members OK?? There are worse >things like getting old and having young snot nosed kids tell you that a >band that has always been dear to your heart sucks and are dinosaurs. Or >worse yet, you have to listen to an "oldies" station to hear some of your >faves!! Oh man... I can't imagine listening to SG on an oldies station. No way!! Okokok... if it means accepting new fans... ummm... well... hmmmm. I'm honestly tired of all the questions that come with each new album SG puts out. BMF newbies weren't that bad... but Superunknown kinda got on my nerves. Well... at least it won't last that long. The people who actually like the music will end up staying and becoming friends, and the poseurs who buy the CD because a few songs were on MTV... they should disappear after a few months. Right after Lolla, I'm hoping. Oh well... it's not like we really have any say about it anyway... Heheheh... imagine being able to decide who gets to listen to your favorite music, and who doesn't... that would be interesting... -=Shroom=- "Shroom, you goddess you..." ~ Chris Cornell (Words not necessarily said in that order...) <~~~ my disclaimer ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: knights of the soundtable It takes about a week or so for them to receive it, and they send out the packages at the beginning of each month. I emailed them and asked about the status of mine, and that's what they told me. So you should get yours sometime in mid-May. Geoff On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Gonzo wrote: > At 01:53 PM 4/20/96 -0500, you wrote: > >Ok, so I got my welcome package from SGKOTS. So I am now an official > >Knight of the Soundtable. The package includes: a superunknown keychain > > -Geoff > > > > > I want to know how many weeks did you have to wait for the welcome package > to arrive? > I sent my check for $12.00 to the SGKOTS about 3 weeks ago. > GonZo > > ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: knights of the soundtable $2 is to get fan club info. It's $12us or $15 international to JOIN the fan club. Geoff On Tue, 23 Apr 1996 Moonsta693@aol.com wrote: > FUNNY, iT SAYS ONLY $2 ON THE CD > ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: Cornell lyrics Not necessarily dead. Cartoons sometimes use X's to imply being fucked up, wasted or thumped on the head. Wasted would be my guess. Geoff > > > sitting here like wet ashes with X's in my eyes and drawing flies. that > line would imply being dead. (cartoons, dead people, X's for eyes, flies > buzzing, wavy line rising from the body to give the idea of decay and > smell, need i say more?) although i'm sure there are more imaginative > individuals than i who can come up with more obtuse meanings than this one > ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: Cornell lyrics Wow, that's deep...seriously. That never ocurred to be before. I thank you for pointing that out. somms = psalms Geoff On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Eric Gardner wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Apr 1996 Unknownhombre wrote: > > > >Really to be honest I always had the idea that the song >like most Cornell > > >songs intentionally has several conflicting symbols >just to be impossible > > I haven't really been on the list that long...have you already beaten > to death the homophonous relationship of somms vs. psalms? > > I wonder if psalms is an acronym for some biblical palindrome?:) > > > > ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: knights of the soundtable Yeah, but you have to supply your own armour. I prefer leather. Geoff On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, seth wrote: > > > FUNNY, iT SAYS ONLY $2 ON THE CD > > I believe someone (Vikki?) cleared this up earlier. It's $2 for a > merchandise catalog, but $10 to become a full-fledged armor-wearing > Knight of the Soundtable. > > seth > > ------------------------------ From: mailer-daemon Subject: First listen... As many list members have already realized, the first listen of any SG album is an almost religious experience, and conditions must be just right in order to get the full effect... :) My first listen : 1. Headphones. this way I don't have to worry about outside distractions, noise, or fire alarms. I can listen as loud as I want, whenever I want... 2. Alone. two reasons for this : one, none of my friends are really into SG (bastards! :) two, even with a group of people, I'd be too busy wondering what everyone else was thinking, if their opinion was the same as mine, etc. It wouldn't change MY opinion any, but I'd like to know what everyone was thinking... I can concentrate solely on the music this way... 3. Other stuff... on the first listen, I listen to the entire album, start to finish, no interruptions. after that i will listen to the songs that caught my attention, then I will go back to playing the whole thing... all SG albums have grown on me... which is good since I can go back and listen over and over without overplaying it... the only SG songs I've liked instantly (first listen) are Spoonman, Rusty Cage, Drawing Flies, Hunted Down, and Like Suicide... I'll never read the lyrics until about the 3rd time through... if I do, I'll be busy trying to figure out how they'll be sung along to the music that's playing... distraction! hurts the first time, I think... I'll read the CD booklet before I listen, just to see the layout and the art... occasionally I'll pick up the book in the middle of a song, if a lyric really grabs my attention, then I'll look it up just to make sure the words are what I thought I heard... after the first listen, I'll look through the book about eight thousand times, just for the hell of it... (though I end up memorizing the lyrics by hearing them in the songs, NEVER by reading them off paper...) Hmmm... guess I'm done... can't wait to actually go through this process on May 21st (no turntable...) Kevin ------------------------------ From: SoundGrdn3@aol.com Subject: MATT! Matt is the coolest. Does anyone know his middle name? Or anything interesting about him for that matter? "Pretty Noose" rocks, I can't wait 'til DOTU is released!!! ------------------------------ From: Heather Aston Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 24 Apr 1996 - ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: must be something good... >you mean you honestly can't see the ridiculousness of what >heather said shroom? of all the hypothetical things you could do in this >hypothetical (albeit dumb) situation and thread, heather wants to 'just >look through chris' wallet and maybe cut a lock of hair'. is that not the >dumbest thing you have ever heard? (flamethrower on) I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone. "The dumbest thing you ever heard"? In what place would that be true? Mars? Not at all, Blind Dog. To each their own. If that's what she wants to do, then WHY would it call for you to flame her for it? It may seen "dumb" to you, but perfectly reasonable to her. But I believe she made another post basically saying that she didn't want to offend some of the listers when she wrote that. Am I correct, Heather? Yes. >I wasn't outraged, because by this point I don't care about the >thread. I was, however, shocked to see that someone could come up with >such a *dumb* idea. Where in hell do you live that it was a *dumb* idea? Was it more dumb than locking him up in a room and breaking his legs if he tried to leave? Or giving him a kiss? if your assumption that most of the list members like >these 'fun' threads, possibly at the expense of discussion about >soundgarden the *band* (I noticed that it wasn't matt or kim unconscious >in a field), is correct, then it is a sad day indeed for somms. Excuse my French, but what the fuck do you have shoved up your ass, a porcupine? I am sick and fucking tired of your sour, anal retentive,narrow minded attitude. Why do you have to ruin things for people, Scrooge? You are a blight on this list. Any time someone wants to have a little fun, blind dog swoops out of the sky to put a kibosh on it. "A sad day for somms"? When are you going to get this through your thick skull? How many times do I have to repeat myself? (I'm starting to sound like my mother :) ) You are not here to dictate what should be discussed on this list. This list would be a great deal more boring if Shroom weren't on it. Why shouldn't we discuss things besides the music? Why shouldn't we have many different topics? There's only so many times you can do a poll of what everyone's favorite song is before everyone gets bored. Didn't I already tell you that? You are so damn hard-headed! I didn't say that most of the listers enjoyed this kind of thread, nor do I care. I do know, however, that there are SOME of them who enjoy it, so I feel perfectly justified in starting it. Ummm... and in case you haven't noticed BLIND Dog, but Chris is the main "sex symbol" in the band. I know of people who find Matt and Kim more attractive than Chris, but as I started the damn thread, I put Chris in it. Kapeesh? (My spelling is OFF tonight.) >'...and maybe cut a lock of his hair'? what a boneheaded idea. I'm beginning to think blind dog lives in some kind of alternate universe. What is "boneheaded" about cutting a lock of someone's hair? Is this something everyone learned in school, and I was just absent that day? People cut locks of hair all the time-you know your baby book, where your mom put some of your hair when you got your first haircut? Is that also "boneheaded"? P.S.- I see that you're a student. Avail yourself of the mental health services they offer. We'd all be a lot better off if you got 1) a strong tranquilizer and 2) a dedicated therapist who can work out whatever happened during the anal stage of your development that made you like this. Well, gee Blind Dog... not all of us can be as creative and cool as you, now can we? Damn all of us straight to hell... < Of course. None of as are as intelligent as the oh-so- wise blind dog. Shroom ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... *** Chris Cornell - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ From: dao5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Sg and Sex To those who responded, I am glad I am not the only person who has had sex with sg in the backround. My girlfriends dormmates all thought we were weird because of it. But hey who cares? My girlfriend seemed to prefer a mix of louder than love and superunk, guess she doesn't mind things hard. Heh heh Heh -Clown ------------------------------ From: OponFam@aol.com Subject: To each his own Heather, don't let BlindDog get you down. This attack has gotten pretty nasty. You have the right to your opinions. I thought your idea was pretty romantic. >you mean you honestly can't see the ridiculousness of >what >heather said shroom? of all the hypothetical things >you could do in this >hypothetical (albeit dumb) situation and thread, >heather wants to 'just >look through chris' wallet and maybe cut a lock of >hair'. is that not the >dumbest thing you have ever heard? Perhaps you should lay off now Blind Dog. Kathie ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: from the source...KOTS HAS MOVED! Hey listers! thought I'd throw in some 'quality' SG news (comments!). From the home office in Seattle, Washington.... SGKOTS HAS CHANGED THEIR EMAIL ADDRESS! write this down! Especially you! euphoricoverfloatererinmygoodeyforeshocksforeshoxetcetcetc@bbs.cowland.com :-) ********************************************* The new address is: sgfc@speakeasy.org ********************************************* I will repeat for the attention span impaired...sgkots@aol.com has moved to sgfc@speakeasy.org They have left the vast wasteland that is aol (and so have I). and "moved onto bigger and better things" :-) and...NO RELEASES UNTIL THE VINYL VERSION OF DOTU IS RELEASED MAY 14! That means...NO "Pretty Noose" single releases before the release of the new album. Speaking of which. It is doubtful (I believe the reply was..."oh SG has a record coming out") that my record store will get a copy of DOTU on vinyl. There will only be 2000 copies made....so...could some kind, warm and generous person email me that they'll get an extra copy. I'll fill the sainted soul in with the details upon a RSVP. Thanks! Steve - - swr@acsu.buffalo.edu - - http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~swr - - SG Web Alliance ------------------------------ From: Ross Filipek Subject: Sticking up for Mr. Dog..... On Wed, 24 Apr 1996, Heather Aston wrote: > Excuse my French, but what the fuck do you have shoved up your ass, a > porcupine? I am sick and fucking tired of your sour, anal > retentive,narrow minded attitude. Why do you have to ruin things for > people, Scrooge? You are a blight on this list. Any time someone wants > to have a little fun, blind dog swoops out of the sky to put a kibosh > on it. Mmmmmm.....no. If there's a "blight" on this list, it sure as hell isn't Blind Dog. After all, he's helped Seth immensely with the page and with putting together the FAQ. What have you done, Heather (besides talking about going through Chris' wallet and cutting his hair)? Why wouldn't you just rip Chris' pants off and fuck him? Wouldn't that be more of a "memento" than a lock of hair (spot the sarcasm)? > I feel perfectly justified in starting it. Ummm... and in case you haven't > noticed BLIND Dog, but Chris is the main "sex symbol" in the band. I know of See? That's what I mean. Buttrockers like Bon Jovi get to be famous because they're viewed as sex symbols, not because they're talented musicians. I'd hate to see anyone ask Chris for a lock of hair before he or she asked him for a guitar lesson. > that day? People cut locks of hair all the time-you know your baby > book, where your mom put some of your hair when you got your first > haircut? Is that also "boneheaded"? Yeah, because if you cut all the locks of hair, the person would literally be boneheaded. That was a joke (no hair left, bald, "boneheaded".....ha ha?). > P.S.- I see that you're a student. Avail yourself of the mental health > services they offer. We'd all be a lot better off if you got 1) a strong > tranquilizer and 2) a dedicated therapist who can work out whatever > happened during the anal stage of your development that made you like this. Nope. Here's a better idea, Heather. Let's take a poll of how many people really get fed up with constantly hearing about Chris' "sexy" body and shiny hair. Let's see who would rather talk about what made him famous in the first place: his musical ability. Then we'll use that data as an excuse for you to start your own "We're Nymphs for Chris" mailing list while the rest of us continue to talk about _Down on the Upside_. It's not that your posts bother me; I don't even read them. But for someone who claims to be such a big Soundgarden fan, you sure don't seem to care much for their *music*. If you did, maybe we'd see more than "hair clipping" and "let's count the ways we can make Chris orgasm" posts from you. Ross P.S.--I'm serious about the poll. "If you were mine to give I might throw it away." --C. Cornell ------------------------------ From: OponFam@aol.com Subject: Drawing Flies "Dan \"Pop-tart\" Hearsch" wrote: >sitting here like wet ashes with X's in my eyes and >drawing flies. that >line would imply being dead. (cartoons, dead people, >X's for eyes, flies >buzzing, wavy line rising from the body to give the >idea of decay and >smell, need i say more?) although i'm sure there are >more imaginative >individuals than i who can come up with more obtuse >meanings than this one Its cool how we interpret lyrics differently, thats whats nice about ambiguous lyrics. Actually I see no references to death in this song. I've always seen it as a description of the struggle to write a song. "I fire a loaded mental cannon to the page" and "Firing the pistol that shoots my holy pride" imply writing to me. And it seems like Chris has a real problem with people trying to censor music, so in this song there seems to be a struggle with what he'd really like to write and what he's afraid some people's reactions might be. I think the x's in his eyes are maybe some "impure thoughts", which goes along with "wallowing in my own obscenities". Perhaps the "wet ashes" imply how he feels about having the censors throw cold water on his ideas "Hey what are you yellin' about, conditions, permission, mirrored self affliction." And finally, "used my inspiration for a guillotin" could imply his feelings about right wingers or others attempting to censor his creativity trying to hang him with his own words. Anyway, thats what I've always thought the song was about. Kathie ------------------------------ From: John Grieves Subject: People generally getting pissed off... Sorry guys, I'm sure I'm not the only getting fed up...this is with respective to the original "finding Chris Cornell unconscious" topic. I'm not taking any sides in this "argument", "flame war" or whatever you would like to refer to it as. What started as a relatively harmless thread has turned into something harmful - people attacking one another, people defending one another, people defending/attacking people defending/attacking one another... This is a simple plea to stop - write OFF the list if you are so heated on a personal level and the mail has lost any connection to Soundgarden, as so many letters related to this thread have. The original thread WAS Soundgarden related. These defenses/attacks are NOT. Remember in flame wars that the people concerned with the post are not the only ones burnt when you post to the mailing list, plus people connected in the mail have the reputations unnecessarily tarnished. Let it go!!!! And if you are still heated, MAIL OFF THE LIST. Jackhammer. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: the new single? SA>I believe it's just supposed to begin radio play today; Wasn't the video suppose to be on MTV today? I watched it for about three hours...and then I watched at three, when they usually have the new "exclusive" video, and they played Salvation....damn Cranberries. Reminds me of my last girlfriend. "What the hell is this shit?" She'd ask. "This shit just happens to be the best damn shit out there today...Soundgarden." I always knew we wouldn't stay together long... Nothingman -And I saw Hootie 8 bazillion times too many today... ------------------------------ From: Foxymophandlemama <76345.3722@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: Did you miss me? Hi Deb!!! Welcome home, I'm horribly sorry about your mother's death....how depressing :-( Thanks for the info on Syzygy-- I've been absent lately too and I missed that one completely. AHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! I **STILL** haven't heard Pretty Noose on the radio, and I've missed it four times. I'll trun it on and the dj'll be like, "That was Soundgarden with their new single Pretty Noose......" Ummm, will the limited vinyl edition of Down On The Upside be in stores in small numbers on the 14, and only on the 14? How does that work? Ok, I know this has been brought up before and excuse my ignorance, but my friend SWEARS she read an article last summer about Chris and it mentioned his baby daughter....... Can that be clarified, I thought he didn't have any kids. Shroom, your theme sounds so cool, guess I'll have to get Win 95 now..... Can you send me your Chris wav's if I mail you a disk???? PLEASE :-) BTW, I still wanna be inducted into your club Ok kiddies, homework bekons...... - -Moppy "this is my good eye" ------------------------------ From: overfloater@bbs.cowland.com Subject: HEhe... In a message dated 96-04-23 19:26:28 EDT, you write: >A couple of questions.. First, I heard that there's gonna be a CD5 for >Pretty Noose, any truth to this? Also I've been wondering if there's >gonna be an umm... what's that word.. an international cd of Down On The >Upside with an extra track like you did with Superunknown, and if there >is, is the vinyl gonna have the extra track too? =) Uhh.... NO. NO. NO. But the vinyl will be out on May 14, one week prior to the CD. HEY, can you pass on the word,Soundgarden has a new email address it is: sgfc@speakeasy.org Hopefully we can get rid of the AOL account and move on to bigger and better things We will let you know if any special releases come out. KOTS _______________________________________________________________________________ well, I wrote to KOTS and this is what I got in reply.. =) Make sure you take note of their new e-mail address =) ------------------------------ From: onefellswoop Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 24 Apr 1996 Yeah, no doubt. Lighten up Blind Dog. If you aren't interested in a post, skip it, delete it, whatever. You don't have to reply and bitch about how it's such a shitty thread. I don't even remember any good posts by you recently. Geoff On Wed, 24 Apr 1996, Heather Aston wrote: > ------------------------------ > > From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com > Subject: Re: must be something good... > > > >you mean you honestly can't see the ridiculousness of what > >heather said shroom? of all the hypothetical things you could do in this > >hypothetical (albeit dumb) situation and thread, heather wants to 'just > >look through chris' wallet and maybe cut a lock of hair'. is that not the > >dumbest thing you have ever heard? > > > (flamethrower on) > > > I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone. "The dumbest thing you ever > heard"? In what place would that be true? Mars? > > > Not at all, Blind Dog. To each their own. If that's what she wants to > do, then WHY would it call for you to flame her for it? It may seen "dumb" > to you, but perfectly reasonable to her. But I believe she made another post > basically saying that she didn't want to offend some of the listers when she > wrote that. Am I correct, Heather? > > Yes. > > >I wasn't outraged, because by this point I don't care about the > >thread. I was, however, shocked to see that someone could come up with > >such a *dumb* idea. > > Where in hell do you live that it was a *dumb* idea? Was it more dumb > than locking him up in a room and breaking his legs if he tried to > leave? Or giving him a kiss? > > > if your assumption that most of the list members like > >these 'fun' threads, possibly at the expense of discussion about > >soundgarden the *band* (I noticed that it wasn't matt or kim unconscious > >in a field), is correct, then it is a sad day indeed for somms. > > Excuse my French, but what the fuck do you have shoved up your ass, a > porcupine? I am sick and fucking tired of your sour, anal > retentive,narrow minded attitude. Why do you have to ruin things for > people, Scrooge? You are a blight on this list. Any time someone wants > to have a little fun, blind dog swoops out of the sky to put a kibosh > on it. > > "A sad day for somms"? When are you going to get this through your > thick skull? How many times do I have to repeat myself? (I'm starting > to sound like my mother :) ) You are not here to dictate what should > be discussed on this list. This list would be a great deal more boring > if Shroom weren't on it. Why shouldn't we discuss things besides the > music? Why shouldn't we have many different topics? There's only so > many times you can do a poll of what everyone's favorite song is > before everyone gets bored. Didn't I already tell you that? You are so damn > hard-headed! > > > > I didn't say that most of the listers enjoyed this kind of thread, nor > do I care. I do know, however, that there are SOME of them who enjoy it, so > I feel perfectly justified in starting it. Ummm... and in case you haven't > noticed BLIND Dog, but Chris is the main "sex symbol" in the band. I know of > people who find Matt and Kim more attractive than Chris, but as I started the > damn thread, I put Chris in it. Kapeesh? (My spelling is OFF tonight.) > > >'...and maybe cut a lock of his hair'? what a boneheaded idea. > > I'm beginning to think blind dog lives in some kind of alternate > universe. What is "boneheaded" about cutting a lock of someone's hair? > Is this something everyone learned in school, and I was just absent > that day? People cut locks of hair all the time-you know your baby > book, where your mom put some of your hair when you got your first > haircut? Is that also "boneheaded"? > > > P.S.- I see that you're a student. Avail yourself of the mental health > services they offer. We'd all be a lot better off if you got 1) a strong > tranquilizer and 2) a dedicated therapist who can work out whatever > happened during the anal stage of your development that made you like this. > > > Well, gee Blind Dog... not all of us can be as creative and cool as you, > now can we? Damn all of us straight to hell... > < > Of course. None of as are as intelligent as the oh-so- wise blind dog. > Shroom > ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... *** Chris Cornell > > ------------------------------ > ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Tattoos 00>I was also wondering if anyone knows about tattoos on the various 00>group members. Do they have any? Maybe for a thread what do you guys 00>think about what would be a cool SG tattoo? I like the little symbol 00>on the Ultramega CD that looks like two L's with two other lines. I'm 00>getting that tattoo ASAP. I don't think any of the members have tattoos, but I could be wrong. I think a cool tattoo would be the Badmotorfinger wheel. That thing's just so cool. If I got it, it would be red, with a blue outline. Nothingman -Just 'cause I have a big red nose that goes, "HONK!" ...doesn't mean I'm a clown. ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: Windows 95 Soundgarden Desktop >I downloaded all that shit, and so far, I don't see anything special, >but maybe that's because I can't get the whole thing to work. How do i >get the whole theme to work together all at once? I think I'm just >overlooking something stupid. I doubt it, Nothingman. It was a very simplistic theme in the first place. One icon, some wav sounds that my computer wouldn't even recognize, one admittedly cool screen saver (but not of SG which was a bummer), two cursors (which suck), and two kind of cool wallpaper .bmp's. The wallpaper (in case you didn't get to look at them) are of the cover of Superunknown, and the picture of the band from BMF. And that stupid icon is just of some old guy with his arm in the air. If anyone gets those wavs to play, let me know what they're of, 'kay? If any of you people are pissed 'cuz you can't get it to work... don't be. It's not really even worth downloading it. Make your own themes. I promise you it'll be better, especially if you use a tasty picture of Chris half-naked as your wallpaper... -=Shroom=- - - Although JH may prefer Mariah Carey for his computer... ;) "It's ok to be insecure, and spit on people." ~ Ben Shepherd ------------------------------ From: James Ingram Subject: Re: Cornell lyrics I would tend to think that Cornell meant dead. As it was said, it used X's, in reference to cartoons, and also to support this theory is the line "drawing flies". A corpse draws flies, does it not? > Not necessarily dead. Cartoons sometimes use X's to imply being fucked > up, wasted or thumped on the head. Wasted would be my guess. > Geoff > > > > > > sitting here like wet ashes with X's in my eyes and drawing flies. that > > line would imply being dead. (cartoons, dead people, X's for eyes, flies > > buzzing, wavy line rising from the body to give the idea of decay and > > smell, need i say more?) although i'm sure there are more imaginative > > individuals than i who can come up with more obtuse meanings than this one > > > ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Shiny hair RF> Here's a better idea, Heather. Let's take a poll of how many people RF>really get fed up with constantly hearing about Chris' "sexy" body and RF>shiny hair. Speaking of shiny hair, as I was flipping through the new Hit Parader today, there was a picture of Chris singing on stage, and his hair was all fucked up (in a cool fuck up sorta way like it usually is) and instead of being shiny (with oil or whatever he puts in it usually) it was all bushy and un-shiny. I was impressed, because I used to have hair JUST LIKE THAT, except blonde. Now that's another thing I can have in common with my hero. Oh, and I don't mind the 'sex-symbol' posts...they make me laugh, they make me cry, and sometimes, they're just plain stupid...that's another thing I have in common with my fellow Soundgarden followers. Nothingman -Why is it that no one says anything about my taglines, unless I say something about Iced Tea and how I am totally obsessed with it, and would die without it? Must be a weird Iced Tea kinda mental thing that this list has... ------------------------------ From: wxs129@psu.edu (Kesa) Subject: LTL & guitar tab Hey everybody. I've listened to Louder Than Love several times and my immediate favorites are Loud Love and Hands All Over. Any others I should be keeping an ear on? I can see that this album is one that will grow on me, like Badmotorfinger most definitely has, especially with all of you raving about SG like you do. Also, does anyone have good guitar tab of the acoustic version of Like Suicide? I looked on OLGA and there was one guy's version which helped a little, but I want more. Can anyone send it to me, maybe as an attachment? Nothingman? You've been helpful here before (thanks) and if you could again, um, you'd be, like, my hero and stuff (I mean, you already are my hero). Seriously, if anyone can help me out, I'd be grateful. I must be brief because of Organic Chemistry. But I'll talk to you all later. Kesa -Look! I'm emulating Nothingman already. ,,,, (-_-) /_o_\ ------------------------------ From: Glenn Subject: PRETTY NOOSE TAB... I can transcribe it for ya.... Hey, there, Sommsers. :)> Hope you're all well. My dear Jamie tells me that some folks were asking about tab for "Pretty Noose". Well, I've got the rhythm guitar figured out, as well as the intro wah lead. Unfortunately, I AM NOT getting list mail for some reason... I don't know why. :( BUT, if you'd like me to try and transcribe "Pretty Noose" for you (I say try, 'cause I've never done a computer transcription before), PLEASE e-mail me PRIVATELY. DO NOT try to send me a message thru SOMMS@MIT.EDU, because, folks, I WILL NOT GET IT. Thanks, and happy playing, Glenn :)> (P.S. Your first hint is that the tune appears to be in Dropped-D... and it isn't as tough as you might think...) ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: SG wavs... >Shroom, your theme sounds so cool, guess I'll have to get Win 95 >now..... Can you send me your Chris wav's if I mail you a disk???? >PLEASE :-) If anyone wants some Chris wavs, just e-mail me, and I'll upload them to y'all. Most of the wavs I've made, Seth has already posted to the page, though. Check them out, and if you can't get them off the page, let me know. I'll send 'em out next week once I have a list of names. Oh... let me know which ones you want. And if you prefer, I can put them on a disk. Just drop me some e-mail... >BTW, I still wanna be inducted into your club BOOM!! You're officially a LiC, Moppster. >Ok, I know this has been brought up before and excuse my ignorance, >but my friend SWEARS she read an article last summer about Chris >and it mentioned his baby daughter....... Can that be clarified, I >thought he didn't have any kids. Nah, Chris doesn't have any kids. It's Ben who has a daughter. Y'know... it'll be a shame if Chris and Susan never have children, though. That man was MADE to procreate... -=Shroom=- "I am the God of fuck..." ~ MM ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: Sticking up for Mr. Dog..... >Mmmmmm.....no. If there's a "blight" on this list, it sure as hell isn't >Blind Dog. After all, he's helped Seth immensely with the page and with >putting together the FAQ. What have you done, Heather (besides talking >about going through Chris' wallet and cutting his hair)? Heather has made some wonderful contributions to the list. She's an intelligent and groovy person, and she REALLY didn't deserve to get flamed by Blind Dog for her response to that thread. Just because Blind Dog has helped Seth with the page doesn't make him some kind of God. If he's going to flame someone who doesn't deserve it... then he's gonna get flamed back. >Why wouldn't you >just rip Chris' pants off and fuck him? Wouldn't that be more of a >"memento" than a lock of hair (spot the sarcasm)? Ummm... no, that would be me raping Chris, Ross. Get it straight!! ;) >See? That's what I mean. Buttrockers like Bon Jovi get to be famous because >they're viewed as sex symbols, not because they're talented musicians. Puh-leeeze Ross. SG didn't get famous because Chris is a babe. But tell me this... why was Chris so intent on showing off his sexy body if he didn't want any attention for it? If you'll notice, the majority of promo SG shots have Chris without a shirt on. He had this coming. Heheheh... >Here's a better idea, Heather. Let's take a poll of how many people >really get fed up with constantly hearing about Chris' "sexy" body and >shiny hair. Let's see who would rather talk about what made him famous in >the first place: his musical ability. If you really find it necessary to do that Ross, go right ahead. A fat lot of good it's going to do you, though. The sexy body/Chris threads sure as hell aren't going to stop, unless Seth steps in and says we can't talk about it. But as Chris IS a member of SG, then the threads ARE relevant to the list. Now there's a shocker for you, huh? >Then we'll use that data as an >excuse for you to start your own "We're Nymphs for Chris" mailing list >while the rest of us continue to talk about _Down on the Upside_. No, we won't. I personally love this list, and I'm not going to go through the trouble of starting a whole new list. I wouldn't even know where to begin, and I really don't have the time, anyway. If you haven't noticed... ALL of us HAVE been talking about DOTU. Alot. Everyday, as a matter of fact. But, like I said... the other threads aren't going away. >It's not that your posts bother me; I don't even read them. But for someone >who claims to be such a big Soundgarden fan, you sure don't seem to >care much for their *music*. If you did, maybe we'd see more than "hair >clipping" and "let's count the ways we can make Chris orgasm" posts from >you. Jesus, give me a fucking break, Ross. You obviously haven't been reading ANY of the posts. I repeat... everyone HAS been talking about the music (including yours truly). In fact, Heather hasn't really said ANYTHING about Chris besides that little "lock of hair" post. Why in the hell are you and Blind Dog jumping all over her case for it? I'm the obsessive one here. Are you sure you're not just screaming at her because you're mad at me? Don't do stupid things like that. All it does is make people angrier, and start huge flame wars like this. I'm the one who is Chris-crazy. If you've got a problem with it, e-mail me. Then we can fight in private. >P.S.--I'm serious about the poll. Repeated: Won't do you any good. Jackhammer writes: >I'm not taking any sides in this "argument", "flame war" or whatever you >would like to refer to it as. What started as a relatively harmless thread >has turned into something harmful - people attacking one another, people >defending one another, people defending/attacking people defending/attacking >one another... Agreed completely, JH. If Blind Dog and Ross agree to shut up about this, I'll do the same. But may I please make the suggestion that in the future, the best way to avoid a flame war like this is for people to keep their "flame war starting" opinions on other peoples posts to themselves? If you people have got to bitch about something... do it to your own friends, who actually give a damn about what you have to say. >The original thread WAS >Soundgarden related. These defenses/attacks are NOT. Absolutely correct. >Let it go!!!! And if you are still heated, MAIL OFF THE LIST. I'm all for that. If anyone wishes to continue this... feel FREE to e-mail me. Sorry for any inconviences this caused, people... -=Shroom=- "I'm no different than you... it's just that I do whatever I want to..." ~ COC ------------------------------ From: SmOoThDuDe Hmm...Sex with Soundgarden Music as background? Hmm...Why not? I think I'd start with 4th of July...real deep bass..foreplay first..then pick up a little speed with She Likes Surprises and more speed..faster..and a little love incited here with "Gun" and next would be "Get on the Snake" hehehe...and then "I Awake" and next would be "Uncovered" and finish it off with "Let Me Drown". Of course, I could stay a little longer..lemme see..maybe I'll add some more..heheh more to come fellas......}8D Mick ------------------------------ From: "Dan \"Pop-tart\" Hearsch" Subject: drawing flies what i actually got out of the death thing, though i didn't make the point in my original post, was what i get out of a lot of songs that soundgarden do. and i say do because a lot of the songs they that they didn't write remind me of this thread as well. anyway, i digress. the death i see is not true death, as in this guy is dead sitting there, rotting, but his will, or maybe his ability, to create, is dead. just like someone said, and i apologize to that peson for not being able to give them proper credit for their ideas (i just read the post, i gotta stop drinking) but their point was that the song was about the frustrations about writing a song. i agree. the person in this song is frustrated and has given up being creative (it could be any type of creativity, song writing is just the most obvious and supportable conclusion here). i didn't see where the point was going about the "firing my pistol" relating to writing, but that is also a matter of personal interp. anyway, the point about how we can all see things differently from the exact same words is a cool point. i just wrote a paper in my english class about how the use and presence of ambiguity in texts is what makes literature unique from movies because it allows for interpretation. music is the same way. feeling like i'm sober ------------------------------ From: "Dan \"Pop-tart\" Hearsch" Subject: mtv news did anyone see chris on the music news today talking about minimum wage (hyah!)? he had some cliched but rather informed opinions about the issue. he took a definitely middle-class opinion of the whole idea, and defended those that are earning minimum wage and want it raised. even though he OBVIOUSLY isn't earning minimum wage. definitely the total opposite of dave mustane when he was on politically incorrect, made a total ass out of himself. that reminds me, does anyone watch PI, and of those, do you think chris would make like the best guest ever? no wait, kim would be the best guest ever. maybe kim, gilbert gotfried, bob dole and some important female author. or maybe shroom, that would be good, shroom, chris, bob and gilbert. i think at least one person would be happy there. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: LTL & guitar tab WX> Hey everybody. I've listened to Louder Than Love several times and WX>my immediate favorites are Loud Love and Hands All Over. Any others I WX>should be keeping an ear on? I Awake is freakin' awesome! I love it! And Lud Love is one of my favorites, too. Big Dumb Sex will probably grow on you. Gun. Gun is a great song. I love how it accelerates into the cool jack-off solo. Kim Thayil once said that when they play it live, Matt sometimes gets excited and speeds up faster than the band can play. That's funny. WX> Also, does anyone have good guitar tab of the acoustic version of WX>Like Suicide? I've been looking for it, too. WX>Can anyone send it to me, maybe as an WX>attachment? Nothingman? I have just about every Soundgarden song (off the regular albums) except this one. But I guess it's not a regular album, huh? WX>You've been helpful here before (thanks) and if WX>you could again, um, you'd be, like, my hero and stuff (I mean, you already WX>are my hero). I know (blush). Sometimes I think I'd be Chris Cornell's hero. ;) WX> -Look! I'm emulating Nothingman already. Now all you need is some Iced Tea. Nothingman -Mmmmm...Iced Tea. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: baby SH> Nah, Chris doesn't have any kids. It's Ben who has a daughter. Maybe it's Ben and Chris' baby. They did run away to Hawaii to get married, you know. :) And how is that baby ever gonna learn...I mean, his dad spits on people. Nothingman -Imagine Kim's baby...I can see the headlines..."Hairiest Baby Alive!" ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: mtv news >maybe kim, gilbert gotfried, bob dole >and some important female author. or maybe shroom, that would be good, >shroom, chris, bob and gilbert. i think at least one person would be >happy there. Bliss!! Ummm... seriously, though... sorry about so many posts, people... but there's so much to cover. I just went and got a bunch of stuff of of AOL's Mtv News area. So... for your reading (or deleting) pleasure... here it is: - ------------------------------------------------------------------ TABITHA: The Kiss tour, with Stone Temple Pilots opening, kicks off June 28th at Detroit's Tiger Stadium. STP, of course, is not such a surprising choice to open the Kiss reunion tour -- after all, a few years back the Pilots played an entire New York City show in full Kiss face-paint. While STP are unabashed fans, members of two other big bands we spoke with recently, REM and Soundgarden, had their own views on the idea of a Kiss reunion tour. CHRIS CORNELL (Soundgarden): If they do a full makeup tour, I think it will be huge. BEN SHEPHERD: It really is as predictable as the new twenty dollar bill and the new 100 dollar bill. You knew that it was going to happen in his lifetime. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - .....A considerably more controversial issue in Washington right now, one that also affects millions of young people, is the minimum wage. Opinion polls say that most Americans want it raised; big businesses do not. Democrats support an increase, while Republicans seem divided on the issue. While debate rages on, we spoke about the issue recently with Soundgarden frontman Chris Cornell -- who's not exactly working a minimum wage job, of course, but has clearly given this issue some thought. CHRIS CORNELL, Soundgarden: You can't expect people to live with, like, a lower and lower poverty level, and then have these major corporations still making all this money and being happy about it, having a great life. I mean, the whole thing will eventually implode or explode, and everybody will suffer, whether it's a mom and pop store, or a major corporation. If the whole thing collapses, everybody goes down ship. So you have to concern yourself with how much the average guy is making. If you're a billionaire, you have to concern yourself with it. These aren't little ants that will just go away when you want them to. They're real people, and they have real lives and families. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ---------------- TABITHA SOREN, MTV News: There's a big minimum wage debate going on in the country. It's $4.25 right now. The Democrats want to put it up to $5.15 and the Republicans want to keep it at the rate it is now because they're afraid people will have to be fired...small businesses will have to fire people to afford that. CHRIS CORNELL: I'm surprised it's actually not higher. Mimimum wage doesn't grow with inflation and that's basically what it should do, no matter what. The idea to protect small businesses is always a good idea, but it seems like any sort of wage discussion is going to end up affecting large businesses more because they make more money. And the large corporations in this country are making more money than they've ever made, but the wages seem to be going down. Particularly from a Republican standpoint, I have trouble believing that they're really too worried about small businesses. And even if you put all of those small businesses in one package and add up how much money these businesses generate and how much they can afford to pay, that's like a drop in the bucket compared to the major corporations whose interests they're a lot more concerned with. And ultimately, it saves the large corporations a lot of money if they drop it. So, I think it's a really bad idea socially, too. You can't expect people to live with a lower and lower and lower poverty level. And then have these major corporations still making all this money and being happy about it, having a great life. I mean, the whole thing will eventually implode or explode and everybody will suffer, whether it's a Mom and Pop store, or a major corporation. And if the whole thing collapses, everybody goes down with the ship. So you have to concern yourself with how much the average guy is making. If you're a billionaire, you have to concern yourself. These aren't little ants that will just go away when you want them to....real people that have real lives and families. And the more you ignore them and the more you consider big business interests at the expense of these people...it won't make sense fiscally, because the big businesses will run into trouble later. It makes good business sense to recognize that people need to earn money. And there's plenty of money to hand. SOREN: It's takes long-term thinking, though. CORNELL: That's true. Unless it's a politician that's 80 years old, they're going to have to deal with what comes around with the economic and social issues that are going to create a lot of big problems. ON "CODIFIED" SPEECH: SPEECH WITH INTENDED RACIST OVERTONES CORNELL: It probably, sadly, doesn't have a negative effect in terms of people trying to get elected. Because all it is is a sales pitch and, like, weaving through the gauntlet of issues and, like, coming out on the other side without without having some serious wounds to your political career is all they're trying to do. Unfortunately, people that are really good at that usually get elected. I think it definitely has a negative effect socially, but then, the end result is usually that whoever's the best at avoiding these issues is who's going to end up running the show. The best thing that anybody can do that's worried about any of those issues is to try to keep them on the forefront as much as possible. So it's impossible for somebody to constantly dodge these issues. Ultimately, it's...people aren't really going to tell the truth. The people that do, that take a lot of heat -- Farrakhan takes a ton of heat basically because he says exactly what's on his mind. And I'd respect that more, even though I don't always agree with it, than I would respect Pat Buchanan. Because if he said what he was really thinking, I think it would be a lot worse. - -- 4/7/96 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ------- Ummmm... he also said a bunch of stuff about how he was really impressed with the drawing I did of him for the page and how much he admired my artistic ability. But I didn't copy him saying it here, 'cuz I didn't want any of y'all to get jealous, and stuff... Ummm... really, he did say that stuff... Heheheheh... Shroom "Shroom, how could anyone help but worship you?" ~ Chris Cornell (Words not necessarily said in that order...) <~~~ my disclaimer ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: baby >Maybe it's Ben and Chris' baby. They did run away to Hawaii to get >married, you know. :) And how is that baby ever gonna learn...I mean, >his dad spits on people. How come you're assuming that BEN is the father, Nothingman? Do you think that Chris is more feminine than Ben? Heh? Speak up, sonny... Spill yer guts... Share your feelings with the group, and stuff!! Who is the most feminine SG member? >-Imagine Kim's baby...I can see the headlines..."Hairiest Baby >Alive!" Actually, other than Kim's beard and hair, I don't think he's that fuzzy of a guy. If any of y'all have seen Alternative Guitar magazine (Issue 2), there's a picture of Kim wearing an off the shoulder hippy/flower child style shirt (it says "Diet Grrrl on it), and you get a halfway decent shot of his chest (the top part, anyway). His is as smooth as Chris' chest. Go figure, huh? I would have figured that he was related to Sasquatch or something... the hair/beard had me totally fooled. Shroom "I fucked your girlfriend last night..." ~ Phil Anselmo, Pantera ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 24 Apr 1996 From: seth The reason there is an argument about this is that there are no rules about message content, as long as it deals with Soundgarden. When I created this list, I believe I took for granted that it was for the discussion of the band's *music*, not for worshipping Chris as a sex symbol or discussing what we would do if we found him unconscious in a field. The majority of the original SOMMS members reflected that, and the conversation revolved around the music, and that was great. It wasn't until recently that Shroom jumped in with the always-graphic conversation about Chris and we wound up with some of these threads that really contradict what the list was all about in the first place. Heather, I know you're an original list member (there are only 3 people on the still on this list that posted earlier than you did). Not many of your posts deal with Soundgarden's music. They didn't then and they don't now. Blind Dog is also a SOMMS original, and I know of *nobody* who has more respect for the band and its music, nobody more familiar with every intricacy of Soundgarden's songs, and his messages reflect that. In turn, they also reflect what I had hoped to see when I created the list which is whay I fully understand why he doesn't appreciate comments like "I'd just go through Chris' wallet." The FAQ that he and Little Joe are creating will surely be a masterwork, and will rightfully become the centerpiece of the unofficial Soundgarden Web page. And now we have an argument between you and him, about this silly unconscious Chris thing. Because you weren't joking when you indicated that you would rifle through Chris' wallet and cut off a lock of his hair, or at least didn't seem to be, it comes across as you stating quite plainly that you would take advantage of someone who Blind Dog genuinely respects; could you expect him not to defend himself? Shroom's fantasizing is just that -- fantasizing -- so it's easily dismissed. Geoff's comment was so obviously a joke that it was in no way incendiary. But a serious comment like the one you made is disturbing. I would definitely like to see more about the music and less about the other aspects of the band (Chris' chest, Kim's beard (hey, is that thing real?)), since that's what Soundgarden is about (as they've said themselves): music. seth ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 105] ****************************************