From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 24 Apr 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 02:05:26 EDT Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Wednesday, 24 Apr 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: Re: Beautiful Ripping Music (fwd) Sellout? Re: Cornell lyrics calendars... Re: Cornell lyrics Re: Cornell lyrics When I'm down... Re: another one.... Re: Soundgarden what else?!? soundgarden sell out... i don't think so! Re: CC poll Re: Soundgarden what else?!? Re: knights of the soundtable Re[2]: I'm the dirt beneath your feet... hmmm Listening Strategies Re: Music to my ears!!! Re: Listening Strategies Re: hmmm Re: calendars... Re-Listening Strategies Re: #number Re: hmmm Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 16 Apr 1996 Listening Tuesday Digest Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 16 Apr 1996 Re: MATT Re: can I outpost moonsta? Re: knights of the soundtable WIN95 themes Re: Selfish about Soundgarden Re: cc unconscious Re: Sound garden Re: the sg phone line! Louder Than Love Re: knights of the soundtable Re: SG Marching Band IRC Re: soundgarden sell out... i don't think so! listening strategies, tar heel style... it only gets better... Perfect Noose Re: it only gets better... Re: Sound garden Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 16 Apr 1996 Re: knights of the soundtable Re: Perfect Noose, w/ a slight licorice tinge of nirvana Re: Sound garden neophytes and curious folk Re: it only gets better... Pretty Noose - DOWNLOAD must be something good... Re: cc unconscious listening strategies, tar heel style... Perfect Noose hate Re: must be something good... ------------------------------------------------------------ From: Fleur Weinstock Subject: Re: Beautiful Ripping Music (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 09:54:42 -0400 From: Michael J. O'Driscoll To: silence@bga.com Subject: Re: Beautiful Ripping Music Fleur Weinstock wrote (in defense of her posting on Soundgarden): >Well, I like John Cage, but I also like Soundgarden, and perhaps John >Cage, with his decent enough belief in Silence, would have recognized >"John Cage" is not merely John Cage: no, John Cage, like all humans, is >the universe, and thus contains Soundgarden. Also, I think Soundgarden >is avante-garde in its own way. > >Sorry if it offended your John Cage sensibilities. Your posting shouldn't have offended anyone's sensibilities. Keep in mind Cage's own praise for "musicircus" sensibility of rock music: "...in rock, the traditions are drowned in sound. Everything becomes confused--it's wonderful! And the performers seem to be all in agreement...They are alive!" (_For the Birds_ 173). This seems particularly true of Soundgarden and recent trends in heavy/grunge rock in which the trajectories of each instrument are blurred... a rich, intriguing, and (seemingly) chaotic wall of sound that IS a very Cagean silence. Furthermore, this is music/art presented in a manner indistinct from life: a garden of sound fecund in a way only Cage could love. That a list devoted to Cage could be offended by the RANDOM incursions of its member's individual tastes is ironic. That some members of the list are to caught up in their own presuppositions about CATEGORIES and other ways of walling in artistic production and commentary is doubly so. Thanks for the tip Fleur. Regards, Mike O'Driscoll. ------------------------------ Subject: Sellout? From: Brydon Cheyney CS95 In response to Maritza, Kathie et al I'd have to say I'm thoroughly relieved to hear they share the same feelings as I do. I know it's selfish as fuck, but I just don't want SG to get to the stage of Nirvana or Pearl Jam. It's good to be different, to try to persuade others of the beauty of the music and have them not listen - if we're all the same it's so fucking BORING! I take pride on listening to SG since 'Louder Then Love' and the fact that however popular the band get they just won't sell out! Superunknown was pretty wierd and apart from 'Black Hole Sun' wasn't really that much more commercially viable than BMF. Like Kim Thayil said, Soundgarden isn't moving towards popular music - popular music is moving towards Soundgarden. But it would still fuck me off if Soundgarden started to play huge gigs, with countless support bands to an audience of screaming teeny boppers - the kind who moved from Bon Jovi to Nirvana to Offspring - that fucks me off more than anything else. To have seen SG on the LTL or BMF tour would be a dream come true - it was just that I live several hundred miles away and oversea (in the Shetland Isles - most northerly in Britain) from the nearest gig hall for big bands. It would cost me a fortune and I'm only 18 now - I could hardly be allowed to go myself at 13 or 14. I just can't see the band top that era - even the band themselves said they don't enjoy touring so much anymore. Having said that I can't wait for the new album, I haven't heard the single yet - - I never listen to radio, too much shit on British radio for my liking - and I'd kill to see them live for the first time. They better play some older stuff! I don't know what they still play live, but to hear 'Head Injury', 'Flower', 'Fopp', 'Full On Kev's Mom' and especially 'Loud Love' would do it for me big time. I can remember reading a live review where the reviewer complained that SG's choice of last encore, 'Hands All Over' I think, was too old and 'obscure' for the audience. Well FUCK HIM!!! If the band were to pander to the 'new' fans who own just 'Superunknown' then I'd walk out! 'Louder Than Love' is a fucking GREAT album and should be known to all SG fans. Thank fuck for SG's integrity. Long may it reign. Sheesh... Sorry, I get a bit carried away. Trouble is I LOVE Metallica and they've got the same problems only on a larger scale! Cheers BC - Living on your knees, conformity or dying on your feet for honesty Following our instinct not a trend go against the grain until the end... ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: Cornell lyrics >"Firing the pistol that shoots my holy pride" could have some > interesting meanings too. How 'bout it Shroom? Oh dear... I could definitely get in depth with the answer to that one. Heheheh... Honestly though... I think that Chris does that to us on purpose. He's constantly sending out mixed signals in his music. That's what's so great about his lyrics. You can interpret them so many different ways... it all depends on YOU, and your mood. I've gone through different phases in my life when each song has meant something else to me. That's one of the reasons SG is my fave band. They're so ambiguous. Mysterious. And (I have to throw it in here) Luscious. Just a thought... -=Shroom=- - - Peace, Love, and Waterbeds... ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: calendars... First and foremost... Hey Mop!!! Welcome home, girl!! It's about time you got back online!! Missed you!! Ok, I remember someone out there asking about SG calendars, so I'm copying this off of the SG newsgroup. Hope it helps some of y'all. You're welcome!! -=Shroom=- ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... *** Chris Cornell ______________________________________________ To All you SOUND GARDEN Out There! We produce a 1996 SOUND GARDEN Calendar that we think is exciting and fun to look at! The calendars are (420mm x 297mm) and contains 12 full colour and black & white photographs of SOUND GARDEN. One picture for each month... These calendars are still available from us! Contact us via Email at oliver@dircon.co.uk ___________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: "Dan \"Pop-tart\" Hearsch" Subject: Re: Cornell lyrics On Tue, 23 Apr 1996 OponFam@aol.com wrote: > >Really to be honest I always had the idea that the song >like most Cornell > >songs intentionally has several conflicting symbols >just to be impossible > to > >analyze / prove. > How true, UnknownMan. I've always loved this about his lyrics, which I think > are usually brilliant. One of my favorite examples of multiple meanings is > Drawing Flies. Even the title could mean alot of different things: is he > "drawing flies", like they're flying around him, or is he drawing flies, like > with a pencil and are they flies, the insect, or flies, the zipper (with the > content of the song it could be either). "Firing the pistol that shoots my > holy pride" could have some interesting meanings too. How 'bout it Shroom? > Kathie > sitting here like wet ashes with X's in my eyes and drawing flies. that line would imply being dead. (cartoons, dead people, X's for eyes, flies buzzing, wavy line rising from the body to give the idea of decay and smell, need i say more?) although i'm sure there are more imaginative individuals than i who can come up with more obtuse meanings than this one ------------------------------ From: Eric Gardner Subject: Re: Cornell lyrics On Tue, 23 Apr 1996 Unknownhombre wrote: > >Really to be honest I always had the idea that the song >like most Cornell > >songs intentionally has several conflicting symbols >just to be impossible I haven't really been on the list that long...have you already beaten to death the homophonous relationship of somms vs. psalms? I wonder if psalms is an acronym for some biblical palindrome?:) ------------------------------ From: John Grieves Subject: When I'm down... At 12:24 AM 4/21/96 EDT, you wrote: >I think it's more of a disgust, or frustration rather than hate. And >Let Me Drown is a great song when I'm down. Funny - when I'm feeling down I invariably get the same two lines of Mailman playing... I know I'm headed for the bottom But I'm riding you all the way It's like a broken record, same two lines over and over...ah well, that's just me! Jackhammer. ------------------------------ From: Jai sukhatme Subject: Re: another one.... thank you Fleur, but i suppose it would be qiute impossible for me to shell out the reqd. money , as the exchange rate would put the price around Rs.400 (gulp!)...... anyway ... pray that the record cos. sort out their mess and release it here... jai > > I don't know (do you fellows?) but if not, maybe one of us could send > you/him the album (reimbursed, of course)? I'm sure it's worth it. > > --Fleur > You can't teach people to be lazy - either they have it or they dont ---- Dagwood Bumstead. ------------------------------ From: John Grieves Subject: Re: Soundgarden what else?!? At 04:36 PM 4/22/96 CST, you wrote: >Whoah. I could totally relate to Maritza's message. I didn't completely agree >with John's reply....Every band wants to make alot of money. Appealing to the >majority is an easy way to do that. True, all bands do want to make lots of money. The difference is that some bands are more willing than others to play music more acceptable to the masses rather than the music they really like themselves [I find it difficult to believe that some artists in the music industry really enjoy a lot of the music they are producing when there is little soul or technical difficulty in them]. This is a difference between bands like Bon Jovi who write ballad after ballad and Mr. Bungle, who really couldn't care who likes them - Bon Jovi is rolling in money, Mr. Bungle are enjoying what they're doing. >Although Kim Thayil said that alternative >was "moving closer to SG", that is not completely true...SG DID get a little >softer, and I fear they will sell out soon... While Soundgarden continues to have songs like Half on their albums, I don't believe they're selling out or getting too soft. That song alone would put SG in the "weird shit" basket of many people I know. Blackhole Sun's popularity I liken to the popularity of Faith No More's rendition of Easy - neither song completely represents the majority of the bands' repertoires nor did it mark a softening of either bands' music. Until I hear Chris Cornell duet with Mariah Carey, I'll stay beside them...if Soundgarden do sell out, I'll pack my bags and think of the great band they once were... Jackhammer. - - How can Pretty Noose be a Soundgarden song? It's in 4/4.... ------------------------------ From: Jai sukhatme Subject: soundgarden sell out... i don't think so! hi, from the descriptions of the songs on the new album soundgarden doesn't seem to be moving in the sell out direction (fuck, i hope not)... the thing about the "alternative" sound and the soundgarden sound converging is to a certain extent expected... many of these bands have lived through the same things , are influenced by similar artists etc... just because soundgarden is well known now that thier music is compared with the other bands,.. about RUSH... yes but only the older stuff (2112 is an absolutely brilliant album...) jai > > Whoah. I could totally relate to Maritza's message. I didn't completely agree > with John's reply....Every band wants to make alot of money. Appealing to the > majority is an easy way to do that. Although Kim Thayil said that alternative > was "moving closer to SG", that is not completely true...SG DID get a little > softer, and I fear they will sell out soon...And then SG will lose its > uniqueness. WEll, that's the way it goes. Anybody here like RUSH at all? > ------------------------------ From: Jai sukhatme Subject: Re: CC poll yes .... stephen king must be pleased with this one... better watch it... Shroom is probably on your trail by now... jai > From: onefellswoop > Subject: Re: CC poll > > I would pick him up and take him to my house and lock him in a room. And > when he awoke I would be standing over him saying "I'm your number one > fan...I'm your number one fan". And I would keep him at my house to > write an album just for me. And if he tried to leave I would break his > legs. But in the end he would probably smash my head in with an amp. > Geoff > ------------------------------ From: Fleur Weinstock Subject: Re: Soundgarden what else?!? On Mon, 22 Apr 1996 David_H._Steinhage@nrunner.mil.wi.us wrote: Appealing to the > majority is an easy way to do that. Although Kim Thayil said that alternative > was "moving closer to SG", that is not completely true...SG DID get a little > softer, and I fear they will sell out soon...And then SG will lose its > uniqueness. There's no way SG is going to sell out. Go bury your nose in some other twisted fantasy! your friend, fleur ------------------------------ From: Gonzo Subject: Re: knights of the soundtable At 01:53 PM 4/20/96 -0500, you wrote: >Ok, so I got my welcome package from SGKOTS. So I am now an official >Knight of the Soundtable. The package includes: a superunknown keychain > -Geoff > > I want to know how many weeks did you have to wait for the welcome package to arrive? I sent my check for $12.00 to the SGKOTS about 3 weeks ago. GonZo ------------------------------ From: ansel@morgan.com Subject: Re[2]: I'm the dirt beneath your feet... To anyone interested in placing a bid: Contact Ken Margolis of the Save the Earth Foundation at kenmargoli@aol.com He placed my bid for an autographed SG pic a few months ago. Although the bidding is officially closed, no bids were made on either of the SG posters so he may still allow a bid (since it's a charity they probably wont turn down a contribution). It's worth a shot -- I luv my promo pic. -Vikki ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ i saw this earlier, but the bidding closed blind dog wrote: if you are interested in bidding for two cool posters on auction, both of which have been signed by the whole band, the address is http://www.commerce.com/save_earth/ ------------------------------ From: overfloater@bbs.cowland.com Subject: hmmm I've been trying to figure out Pretty Noose, and it's a bitch... (on bass I mean) I think it's in some really odd tuning, not sure what that tuning is though.. I hope some guitar magazine transcribes it.. I dunno.. anyone else on the list tried figuring it out for guitar or bass? the mailing list member formerly known as overfloater ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Listening Strategies Here are my listening strategies (if you would call the strategies...I'd call them rituals). I have to drive about an hour to the nearest CD store, so I usually make it a good trip and see a movie too. So I get home like midnight, or after. By that time, my parents are asleep, so I sit in front of the stereo in the livingroom, and listen to the CD, usually just listening the beginning of a song (until he sings...usually till the chorus) while reading the lyrics and other stuff in the CD book thingy. Then, after I get to the end of the album, I listen to the songs that really caught my ear, then I take it to my room, and listen to it all night long. Then I listen to it loud while getting dressed in the morning, while driving, while my mother is screaming to turn it down, and any other chance I get to turn it on. And I read the CD book thingy about 800 times in the first few days of owning it (like while in class). KA>Are growing-on-you albums always the best or are your favourite albums KA>and musicians ones that/who affect you immediately? So far every Soundgarden album has been a grow on me album. Those usually last the longest for me. When I like an album a lot when I hear it, I end up putting it away for a long time The grow on me albums get listened to constantly, and are usually in my CD changer for years. Superunknown didn't leavet my CD changer until more than a year after I got it. Right now I am musically drained, and when I am searching for something to listen to, I end up putting Soundgarden in, because I don't really wanna listen to anythng I own right now. Nothingman -It's so bad, the radio's been on a lot lately. AAAHHHHHH!!! ------------------------------ From: alisa brozena Subject: Re: Music to my ears!!! I heard it on Thrusday and now they're having contests to win the cd's. I think it's a really good song. What does everyone else think of it? On Fri, 19 Apr 1996, Tonerkin wrote: > The radio station in Chicago(103.5)did play "Pretty Noose" today. I > caught it while stuck in Friday afternoon traffic. It was great to hear > new Soundgarden!! I can't give my rock solid opinion on it after one > hearing. I did really like the guitars alot. What the hell Chris was > talking about I don't know although he repeats the "what your hangin me > from " or something like that alot. But it's out there!!! Yahoooooo!!!!! > Toni > ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Listening Strategies From: jsimpson@mail03.mitre.org (Jamesetta Simpson) > How are you going to listen to the new album when it arrives? > Do you think Soundgarden works best loud and filling the room, or with > headphones to hear all the details? Very first time "best loud"..... That way the music fills my head, heart and soul and blocks out the world. Volume up so I can scare the devil out of my neighbors.. Now that spring is here - open the windows and let the world hear it.. May I add this did not work well with "Home Alive"... > Do you clear everyone else out of the house for a personal experience or > gather a group of friends for a communal celebration of SG? Most of my friends don't even know who SG is (sad).. I would have to defend SG music to most of them - that would hurt the first time. I would share the first time only with people I know who are really into SG - then you can compare, discuss, consider, and dream about each and every song... > Do you read lyrics first to know what songs are about or let them filter > through along with the music? Never read the lyrics until the third or fourth time. Some songs I never want to know the lyrics - if the music speaks to me, I don't need the words.. I don't always like ripping a song apart trying to analyze each phase or word for means. If a piece of music fills my needs, why should I worry if the artist wants me to think this or that - they have given me a gift and it is up to me to enjoy it in my own way.... > Since the album will have lots of tracks and be long, will you listen to > it the entire way through or break it up (into 'record sides')? Entire way through for the first couple of times - by then a song or two will take hold and I will put the CD player on repeat for these songs. Until my mind is turned to mush.... > Are growing-on-you albums always the best or are your favourite albums > and musicians ones that/who affect you immediately? Immediate are my favorites. Jamie ------------------------------ From: mm328995@minmet.uq.oz.au (John Grieves) Subject: Re: hmmm At 10:19 23/04/96 -0500, overfloater@bbs.cowland.com wrote: >I've been trying to figure out Pretty Noose, and it's a bitch... (on >bass I mean) I think it's in some really odd tuning, not sure what that >tuning is though.. I hope some guitar magazine transcribes it.. I >dunno.. anyone else on the list tried figuring it out for guitar or >bass? I haven't spent a great deal of time trying to transcribe the guitar part, but I would think, with it's Spoonman like chords with little fill-ins for much of the verse and chorus, we're looking at a dropped D tuning for guitar...as for bass, well, I'll leave that to people who know better! Anyone actually transcribed it out there? Chords alone would be a help... I just haven't had the time to go through and do it myself. Jackhammer. ------------------------------ From: Todd Yowell Subject: Re: calendars... On Tue, 23 Apr 1996 ShRooMGrLz@aol.com wrote: > First and foremost... Hey Mop!!! Welcome home, girl!! It's about time > you got back online!! Missed you!! > Ok, I remember someone out there asking about SG calendars, so I'm > copying this off of the SG newsgroup. Hope it helps some of y'all. You're > welcome!! > -=Shroom=- > ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... *** Chris Cornell > ______________________________________________ > > To All you SOUND GARDEN Out There! > > We produce a 1996 SOUND GARDEN Calendar that we think is exciting and fun > to look at! The calendars are (420mm x 297mm) and contains 12 full colour > and black & white photographs of SOUND GARDEN. One picture for each > month... > > These calendars are still available from us! > > Contact us via Email at > oliver@dircon.co.uk > ___________________________________________________ > > > How much are they? tay ------------------------------ From: sean@ramoth.unl.edu (Sean McCarthy) Subject: Re-Listening Strategies Hey All- One more strategy to pass along, this works usually the third time you listen to the CD. Just push shuffle on the CD player and see what your favorite system can concoct. Most of the time, it actually brings out more depth for each song becuase it catches you off guard. Only one that that fails for are the concept albums-especially Queenschryche's-Operation Mindcrime CD, that's best played loud and in its entirety. Laters Peace Sean ------------------------------ From: Maritza Antunez Subject: Re: #number The numero once again....1-800-556-rock ext. 905 On Mon, 22 Apr 1996, EUPHORIA wrote: > > > > > COULD SOMEONE REPOST THE SOUNDGARDEN 800 NUMBER ... I'M HAVING PROBLEMS > WITH MY SYSTEM AND IT GOT DELETED.... > > > > THANX... > > HAS ANYONE HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THE RELEASE DATE FOR THE NEW SINGLE... > > > eUPHORIA.... > > > I WROTE A SONG ABOUT DENTAL FLOSS BUT DID ANYONES TEETH GET CLEANER > FRANK ZAPPA > > THERES NO SUCH THING AS HALF FREEDOM NELSON MANDELA > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: hmmm MM>I haven't spent a great deal of time trying to transcribe the guitar part, MM>but I would think, with it's Spoonman like chords with little fill-ins for MM>much of the verse and chorus, we're looking at a dropped D tuning for MM>guitar...as for bass, well, I'll leave that to people who know better! Today, it came on the radio, and I just happened to be holding my guitar, so I picked up a few chords. I noticed it was dropped D, but I didn't bother tuning it down, because I was just picking out a few chords. The rhythm seems to be the hardest part. I'll get out the ol' tape sometime (if I find some time) and try to type up some of it. Some of those fill in things might be a bit hard, though. Nothingman -Kiss the snake goodnight. ------------------------------ From: ward brandon t Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 16 Apr 1996 aI must say that not only have I had sex with SG in the background, I have also invented new positions. ( I think) Most of the time, i was playing SuperUnknown, because everything else was too, er, *hard* for my girlfriend at the time....heh, heh, heh.... On Wed, 17 Apr 1996, mo wrote: > has anyone ever had sex with soundgarden's music in the background? > > ------------------------------ From: OponFam@aol.com Subject: Listening Since we've been on the subject of how we listen to music, I thought I'd share something I found in a March 1992 Request magazine: "Music should be the drug people don't have to worry about getting addicted to," Cornell says. "It should have that effect on you, give you a euphoric feeling or take you away from whatever's bugging you, whatever's making you bored or pissed off. In an arena, they want to agree with what you're saying. They're just trying to figure out what it is they're supposed to agree with. But a song should work in their bedrooms when they're by themselves. That's the real testing ground, when you can get people absorbed into it and carry them away." That's what SG music does for me, it carries me away. Kathie ------------------------------ From: OponFam@aol.com Subject: Tuesday Digest Fleur Weinstock said >I agree that Spoonman is a religious song. To me it >speaks about the >rhythm which represents the most inward, beautiful, and >true religion. I think quite a few SG songs, particularly those written by Chris, have religious conotations,some more obvious than others. It seems that Chris finds "organized" religion (as opposed to spirituality) to be crippling and to hold people back with guilt, etc. (Holy Water is an obvious example). > I just wish we could keep Soundgarden for ourselves. >From what I've read in interviews, Kim would be a great >guy just to >sit down and talk to. Amen, Heather. I've always seen the guys in SG to be more down to earth than those in other bands. They do seem like people you could just hang out with. >Subject: Re: CC poll >I would pick him up and take him to my house and lock >him in a room. And >when he awoke I would be standing over him saying "I'm >your number one >fan...I'm your number one fan". And I would keep him >at my house to >write an album just for me. And if he tried to leave I >would break his >legs. But in the end he would probably smash my head >in with an amp. >Geoff Geoff, you made my day with this one. I think this is my favorite post on this subject. I laugh every time I read it. Well I guess thats enough for now. Kathie ------------------------------ From: alisa brozena Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 16 Apr 1996 Yes, sex to SG is the best in the world, and I'm not saying that just because I'm drunk. Sex and Chris mix very well!!!!!!!!!!! lee On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, ward brandon t wrote: > aI must say that not only have I had sex with SG in the background, I > have also invented new positions. ( I think) Most of the time, i was > playing SuperUnknown, because everything else was too, er, *hard* for my > girlfriend at the time....heh, heh, heh.... > > On Wed, 17 Apr 1996, mo wrote: > > > has anyone ever had sex with soundgarden's music in the background? > > > > > ------------------------------ From: Moonsta693@aol.com Subject: Re: MATT Matt is just one of the best. One up and comming guy is at my school. He's the best in the state. HE rules the skins. I'm, not going against MAtt, it's just that there are soo many others. ------------------------------ From: Moonsta693@aol.com Subject: Re: can I outpost moonsta? Hiro left because he wanted to finnish school. ------------------------------ From: Moonsta693@aol.com Subject: Re: knights of the soundtable FUNNY, iT SAYS ONLY $2 ON THE CD ------------------------------ From: "David Searle" Subject: WIN95 themes I don't know how many people are running WIN95, but if you are, a cool thing to use is the PLUS packs themes option. You get a bunch of different themes like science, nature, mystery, whatever and they reconfigure your desktop, icons, cursors, screensavers and everything for that specific theme. ANYWAY, I found an ftp site that has a pile of themes including a massive soundgarden one. I haven't been able to download it yet, but there are also some Nirvana, Pearl Jam and some others in the directory. BEWARE - the soundgarden theme is about 3.1 meg so if you have a slow link like me, you might be setting up to download it by Christmas!!! well here's the address: wcarchive.cdrom.com/pub/win95/themes/sdgarden.zip enjoy, dave ------------------------------ From: Gregg Subject: Re: Selfish about Soundgarden At 11:51 PM 4/21/96 -0400, OponFam@aol.com wrote: >I don't care if its selfish, I want to keep Soundgarden all to myself (and >all you great list members of course). Besides, they hate all the shit that >comes with being super popular and it seems like they've always balked when >they're "on the verge of greatness" (which is what the media has said after >their last several releases, but it never happens). But I'm running on. I'm >glad to hear someone else express these concerns. Speaking of SG becoming popular, I would think that it would be funny if some of the kids in my school all of the sudden became SG fans. There's one kid who i just kid around with about his musical taste, and he kids me about liking SG. If he wound up liking them, I would never let him forget it (jokingly, of course). But there's this other kid who makes fun of 'em whenever they get brought up, and he does a dumb-ass little parody of BHS to try and piss me off. I would laugh my butt off if he came in one day with a SG t-shirt. Gregg (speaking of those, NOTHINGMAN!! I HAVE TO SEND YOU MY MONEY ORDER! PLEASE BE PATIENT, I GOT PAID TODAY) ------------------------------ From: Gregg Subject: Re: cc unconscious At 10:54 PM 4/21/96 -0700, caryn rose wrote: >really, if i found him unconscious i'd run and call susan silver pronto. >okay, i'd probably make sure he was breathing and had a pulse, and then i'd >stare at him for about five minutes, and then i'd run and call susan. > >don't you think that'd entitle me to unlimited SG tickets for the rest of my >life? ;-) Good Call! No kidding...you'd be the person that saved (maybe) Cornell's life. In some cultures, that means his indebted to you forever. Well, if he was a Wookie. Anyway, you'd prolly get to hang with the band, hear unreleased cuts for new albums, maybe even become good friends with everyone in the band. And if you're a musician, you could probably get CC to help you get a recording contract. Okay, the fantasy is over. Gregg ------------------------------ From: Gregg Subject: Re: Sound garden At , juecker@blueearth.k12.cfa.org wrote: >I was told by Witewatr24@aol.com that I should write to you about my question about Soundgarden, or is it Sound Garden. > Iam a fan of Soundgarden, or is it Sound Garden. Well, anyway, I was wondering if anyone that was on this mailing list could give me some information about new albums and tours that Soundgarden would be comeing out with soon. One last thing, if anyone out has the words to Black Hole Sun, I would really like to get a hold of them if I can. Ah shit. It's started already. Gregg --everyone slide down so we can make some room on the bandwagon ------------------------------ From: HQXH39C@prodigy.com (MR SEAN M MCELENY) Subject: Re: the sg phone line! thanks Seth and everyone else who reposted it , i just listened to it and i think blow up the outside world is my favorite. ------------------------------ From: wxs129@psu.edu (Kesa) Subject: Louder Than Love Guess what I just did! I went and got Louder Than Love! All I had before was Superunknown, Alive in the Superunknown, and BMF. I've never heard any of these songs before. I'm listening to Loud Love as I type! This rocks! Kesa ,,,, (-_-) /_o_\ ------------------------------ Subject: Re: knights of the soundtable From: seth > FUNNY, iT SAYS ONLY $2 ON THE CD I believe someone (Vikki?) cleared this up earlier. It's $2 for a merchandise catalog, but $10 to become a full-fledged armor-wearing Knight of the Soundtable. seth ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: SG Marching Band me> And I didn't know there were me>pianos in marching bands, Nothingman. I picture Ben playing the me>trombone. NM>I didn't say it had to be marching band, but if it were, I guess a NM>trombone would be a good one. Or maybe the baritone. Ummm... if you didn't say it had to be a marching band, then why'd you title the post "SG Marching Band"? =) >"I WANT CHRIS TO SIT ON MY FACE!" <---my Shroom impersonation. You're a talented person, Nothingman!!! Couldn't have said it better myself. >hmmm.... stephen king must be pleased with this one... >better watch it... Shroom is probably on your trail by now... Shhhh... Be werry werry quiet... I'm hunting wabbits (of the Cornell type)... >How much are they? (referring to the SG calendars) If I knew that, I would have posted it. You'll have to e-mail the people and ask them... The address again is: oliver@dircon.co.uk Anyway... on to other things... thanks to whoever announced the WIN 95 themes!! I just got '95 last Friday, and I can't believe my luck in getting a SG theme!! Thank you thank you a million times, thank you!! I haven't downloaded it yet... but I'm going to tonight. Has anyone gotten it yet? And if you have, what all has it got? I tried to make my own SG theme, but I haven't really had enough time to mess with it yet. Ok... enough babbling... -=Shroom=- We're not really living... We're just waiting to die. ------------------------------ Subject: IRC From: "Matthew Lawrence" Did we give up on this IRC idea? I can't seem to find anyone on #somms whenever I try... Matt ------------------------------ From: David_H._Steinhage@nrunner.mil.wi.us Subject: Re: soundgarden sell out... i don't think so! Yeah, Rush kind of lost it after Hemispheres...WEll, whatever SG does, I still have my old albums. ------------------------------ From: Landrew Scopenchild Subject: listening strategies, tar heel style... On Sun, 21 Apr 1996 somms@MIT.EDU wrote: > How are you going to listen to the new album when it arrives? One word: LOUD. Don't > slap it on, whatever the conditions: the first listening > experience is important and shades all following hearings, so I want > advice on tactics (maps, how you'll deploy the toy soldiers....). 1. Buy cd. This may prove difficult because first you may have to beat the airhead Hootie fans in order to reach DOTU. Then, you have to deal with the people wondering why the hell you have a cd in your hand that doesn't have a conformist pop song on it (at least i hope it won't). Well, just stare down at the cd, and know that one day you will cherish it like a child... 2. Drive home. But watch your spedometer carefully. I have found that the purchase of a sg cd has tremendous effects on the weight of my pedal foot. 3. Insert cd in player. > > Do you think Soundgarden works best loud and filling the room, or with > headphones to hear all the details? What do you mean? I hear all the details when it is loud...And it must fill the room, no question. If at all possible, it needs to even hurt your ears a bit. > Do you clear everyone else out of the house for a personal experience or > gather a group of friends for a communal celebration of SG? hmm...friends are cool, but don't call the ones that will tell you to turn it down. > Do you read lyrics first to know what songs are about or let them filter > through along with the music? Both. I've read a lot of sg lyrics many times and still haven't figured out what the song is about. But when you hear music, the music always comes first. > Since the album will have lots of tracks and be long, will you listen to > it the entire way through or break it up (into 'record sides')? ALL THE WAY. After it's over, you can celebrate by listening to your favorite tracks you just heard. > Ideally I go with whole albums to hear things in context - it's like there's > something sacred about track-order Ugh. I guess i'm the only one disgusted at this though...must be the noncomformist thing.... - - but when there are lots of new songs > I get swamped and can't pick out individual tunes and after several > listens can only go "I like the one where the drums go daddadada-dada" > or "the one about [fluffy rabbits or whatever]". And that means that I'm > disappointed for the first few listens as it is all too much and > overwhelms me and that taints my feelings for the record even after it > has grown on me. No way. When you hear one you like, look at the track number. You will eventually like them all, so don't try to absorb it all at once. At the same time though, don't neglect a song you might like immediately. > Are growing-on-you albums always the best or are your favourite albums > and musicians ones that/who affect you immediately? Growing on you are usually the ones i play over and over, (like the tea party, mike garrigan, pavement, and soundgarden), but i also overplay some things i like immediately, like Cracker and Cypress Hill. I liked this test...got any more questions? -j ------------------------------ Subject: it only gets better... From: seth If you think "Pretty Noose" is good on the radio, just *wait* until you hear it on CD. The detail is incredible, and the dynamic contrast between sections is startling, especially if you're used to the flat levels you get from the radio. It's masterfully played -- I agree with Blind Dog in that Matt has more than the usual share of arms and legs. The guitar solo struck me as slightly less towering on the CD, but I'm sure it can be brought out more with a little fiddling around with the stereo. The whole song also feels a bit slower than it does on the tape I have, the second guitar part during the second verse is more prominent... All in all, a *great* song, and it grows on me more and more with every listen. It's really good to know that Soundgarden has maintained their heavy-hitting edge, especially in this day and age of lightweight rock (read: Bush). seth ------------------------------ From: Gail Subject: Perfect Noose Okay, so I went home last night, after reading that many of you had already heard Pretty Noose, and turned on my radio. Now you have to understand that I don't listen to the radio. I can't stand it. Even on the "rock" station, I have to put up with folks like Alanis M. & Bootie and the Hoefish, and it just drives me crazy. So I rarely, will listen to the radio. I buy the music I like, that's why I have a job (that and to pay the rent). I listen to all the music I want, as many times as I want, without interruption. Back to the point...I turn on the radio last night and said, "Okay, I'll give you 30 minutes to play my SG, then I'm turning you off" They played it in 2 minutes!!!! I'm trying not to get crazy and overly anxious about this album, but with a first single like "Pretty Noose" it's quite difficult. I love it! It's powerful, and loud. I didn't get any opportunity to really hear the lyrics, because I was in shock the first half of the sound. And I need to hear it again to say anything about it musically. Yet, here's something that might not sit to well with some of you...Half way through the song while I was regaining consciousness I really thought the song was very much like a Nirvana song. Not a particular Nirvana song, but most of Nirvana's song. You know, calm until you reach the chorus, then yell the chorus. There was something in the music that reminded me of Nirvana. I only heard it once, so I can't say what it was. IMO, it's better than anything Nirvana could have produced, yet...like I said I'll have to listen to it again. Maybe, I'll give my local "rock" station another 30 min. tonight. Gail ********************************************************************** "I love it! I love it! I love it! I love it!" Blueberry Johnson - The State ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: Re: it only gets better... On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, seth wrote: > If you think "Pretty Noose" is good on the radio, just *wait* until > you hear it on CD. The detail is incredible, and the dynamic contrast > between sections is startling, especially if you're used to the flat > levels you get from the radio. It's masterfully played -- I agree with > Blind Dog in that Matt has more than the usual share of arms and legs. so what are the bsides big fella? ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Maritza Antunez Subject: Re: Sound garden DAMN..DAMN....DAMN....I feel mean but ditto gregg. Maybe be can start our own bandwagon! We've already got matching shirts! ;> On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Gregg wrote: > At , juecker@blueearth.k12.cfa.org wrote: > >I was told by Witewatr24@aol.com that I should write to you about my > question about Soundgarden, or is it Sound Garden. > > Iam a fan of Soundgarden, or is it Sound Garden. Well, anyway, I was > wondering if anyone that was on this mailing list could give me some > information about new albums and tours that Soundgarden would be comeing out > with soon. One last thing, if anyone out has the words to Black Hole Sun, > I would really like to get a hold of them if I can. > > Ah shit. It's started already. > Gregg > --everyone slide down so we can make some room on the bandwagon > ------------------------------ From: Fleur Weinstock Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 16 Apr 1996 > > On Wed, 17 Apr 1996, mo wrote: > > > has anyone ever had sex with soundgarden's music in the background? no, but i'd love to - --fleur ------------------------------ From: Fleur Weinstock Subject: Re: knights of the soundtable for someone who's not on it, what's really worthwhile 'bout being a knight of the soundtable? - --a fleur de vie growing in the garden of sound ------------------------------ From: Fleur Weinstock Subject: Re: Perfect Noose, w/ a slight licorice tinge of nirvana On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Gail wrote: > ...Half > way through the song while I was regaining consciousness I really thought > the song was very much like a Nirvana song. Not a particular Nirvana > song, but most of Nirvana's song. (...) There was something in the music that > reminded me of Nirvana Fleur's writing: on one hearing i also felt a FEW sections where chris' vocals really reminded me of nirvana, but after a little while they were back to pure sg. however, i actually think it's really cool that there's some aspect of nirvana in them, since it's natural and all, them all being part of the some rockseattlegrundge family and knowing each other at least a little (and chris wearing one of nirvana's t-shirts in one of seth's unoffical page shots) love, fleur ------------------------------ From: Fleur Weinstock Subject: Re: Sound garden neophytes and curious folk why are you guys and gals or whatever getting so down on sound( )garden neophytes? - --fleur On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Maritza Antunez wrote: > DAMN..DAMN....DAMN....I feel mean but ditto gregg. Maybe be can start > our own bandwagon! We've already got matching shirts! ;> > > On Tue, 23 Apr 1996, Gregg wrote: > > > > > Ah shit. It's started already. > > Gregg > > --everyone slide down so we can make some room on the bandwagon > > > ------------------------------ Subject: Re: it only gets better... From: seth > > If you think "Pretty Noose" is good on the radio, just *wait* until > > you hear it on CD. The detail is incredible, and the dynamic contrast > > between sections is startling, especially if you're used to the flat > > levels you get from the radio. It's masterfully played -- I agree with > > Blind Dog in that Matt has more than the usual share of arms and legs. > > so what are the bsides big fella? It's the radio promo. It only has "Pretty Noose." seth ------------------------------ From: Scott Molenkamp Subject: Pretty Noose - DOWNLOAD For all those who haven't heard Pretty Noose yet I have made a couple of wav files of the whole song. You can grab them off the web. It's here: http://www.monash.edu.au/ccst8/csc3040/ksmol1/public_html/soundgarden.html [-----------------+----------------------------------+----------------] [ "Like what you | Scott Molenkamp | don't get ] [ get, If you | thrael@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au | what you like" ] [-----------------+----------------------------------+----------------] [ BUMPER STICKER OF THE YEAR:If you can see this I've lost my caravan ] [evenrailscreamfeederammoniapowderfingersidewinderholdencaulfieldglide] ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: must be something good... On Mon, 22 Apr 1996 ShRooMGrLz@aol.com wrote: > Get off your high horse, Blind Dog. Leave the girl alone. Who are you > to pass judgement on her, anyway? Are you going to save our souls while > you're at it??!? Heheheh... Heather, don't let these people get you down. > If Blind Dog feels it necessary to post his "outrage" over your actions, let you mean you honestly can't see the ridiculousness of what heather said shroom? of all the hypothetical things you could do in this hypothetical (albeit dumb) situation and thread, heather wants to 'just look through chris' wallet and maybe cut a lock of hair'. is that not the dumbest thing you have ever heard? I wasn't outraged, because by this point I don't care about the thread. I was, however, shocked to see that someone could come up with such a *dumb* idea. if your assumption that most of the list members like these 'fun' threads, possibly at the expense of discussion about soundgarden the *band* (I noticed that it wasn't matt or kim unconscious in a field), is correct, then it is a sad day indeed for somms. '...and maybe cut a lock of his hair'? what a boneheaded idea. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: cc unconscious ME>Good Call! No kidding...you'd be the person that saved (maybe) Cornell's li ME>In some cultures, that means his indebted to you forever. Well, if he was a ME>Wookie. Anyway, you'd prolly get to hang with the band, hear unreleased cut ME>for new albums, maybe even become good friends with everyone in the band. ME>And if ME>you're a musician, you could probably get CC to help you get a recording ME>contract. ME>Okay, the fantasy is over. Or else he'd wake up, and you'd find out that he was passed out because of drinking and he'd puke on you. Then Kim would come over (drunk as hell), and say, "Woah. You, like, killed him, man." And then puke and get chunks in his beard, and then Ben would spit on you. All the while, Matt is nonchalantly pissing on Chris' head (later, he says, "I thought it was MY head."). Then the police come, and arrest you because you touched him without permission. Uh-oh. Sexual harassment all the way. Nothingman -You find out later that the police guy was Bruce Pavitt. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: listening strategies, tar heel style... TO>1. Buy cd. This may prove difficult because first you may have to beat TO>the airhead Hootie fans in order to reach DOTU. Then, you have to deal TO>with the people wondering why the hell you have a cd in your hand that TO>doesn't have a conformist pop song on it (at least i hope it won't). Even if it does, it will be the best damn conformist pop song ever...unless it has Mariah Carey on it... TO>Well, just stare down at the cd, and know that one day you will cherish TO>it like a child... No way! Run in, pushing all the Hootie fans outta the way, and stepping on the Barney fans, grab the CD like you're a running back getting the ball for the last play in the final seconds of the Super Bowl (down by two....no fear, and all that bullshit), and scream, "YES! YES!!! NOW MY MISSION IS COMPLETE! NOW I CAN RETURN TO MY HOME POD AND HIBERNATE TILL THE COWS COME HOME TO ROOST!" and maybe in all the excitement, the store people will forget to make you pay. That would make the album that much better. TO>2. Drive home. But watch your spedometer carefully. I have found that TO>the purchase of a sg cd has tremendous effects on the weight of my pedal TO>foot. White Zombie has this same effect. TO>3. Insert cd in player. Nah. Wrong again. I'm buying the album on vinyl on the 14, so I can finally use my record player. TO>> Do you read lyrics first to know what songs are about or let them filter TO>> through along with the music? TO>Both. I've read a lot of sg lyrics many times and still haven't figured TO>out what the song is about. But when you hear music, the music always TO>comes first. But a lot of times, the music is accentuated by the lyrics, so knowing what a song is about (or at least knowing what he is saying) helps the music along. I usually read the lyrics in the mall right after I buy it. Or at least some of them. It's funny how I can get a meaning out of a song before ever hearing it, and then when I hear it, the singer will sing it a different way, or phrase it differently, and it will have a totally different meaning. That makes it interesting. TO>No way. When you hear one you like, look at the track number. You will TO>eventually like them all, so don't try to absorb it all at once. At the TO>same time though, don't neglect a song you might like immediately. I did this when I heard Badmotorfinger. I LOVED Outshined right when I heard it. And I always skipped right over Rusty Cage to hear it. And Drawing Flies. I always skipped over Mind Riot to hear Drawing Flies. Now, Rusty Cage and Mind Riot are two of my favorite songs (along with Drawing Flies, still) on that album. TO>> Are growing-on-you albums always the best or are your favourite albums TO>> and musicians ones that/who affect you immediately? TO>Growing on you are usually the ones i play over and over, (like the tea TO>party, mike garrigan, pavement, and soundgarden), but i also overplay some TO>things i like immediately, like Cracker and Cypress Hill. The more I listen to Soundgarden, the less time it takes to start loving the album. Nothingman -Anyone have the tabs for One Minute of Silence? ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Perfect Noose GD>Yet, here's something that might not sit to well with some of you...Half GD>way through the song while I was regaining consciousness I really thought GD>the song was very much like a Nirvana song. Not a particular Nirvana GD>song, but most of Nirvana's song. You know, calm until you reach the GD>chorus, then yell the chorus. There was something in the music that GD>reminded me of Nirvana. I only heard it once, so I can't say what it GD>was. IMO, it's better than anything Nirvana could have produced, GD>yet...like I said I'll have to listen to it again. Burden in My Hand (I think) reminded me (what I heard of it, anyway) of a Nirvana song. It started out soft, and then it all of a sudden went loud, but it coulda just been my phone. Nothingman -Is ugly noose ugly happiness? ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: hate ER>DOES ANYONE OUT THERE IN LIST LAND HEAR THE HATE IN SG SONGS?? WHEN I LIS ER>I HEAR ALL THIS HATE.I LOVE IT. SONG LIKE FOURTH OF JULY,UNCOVERD,UGLY ER>TRUTH,GUN,AND STUFF LIKE MAILMAN.WE HATE LOVE WE LOVE TO HATE. I think it's more of a disgust, or frustration rather than hate. And Let Me Drown is a great song when I'm down. Nothingman -But right now I'm up, so Big Dumb Sex 'till the 4th of July! ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: must be something good... >you mean you honestly can't see the ridiculousness of what >heather said shroom? of all the hypothetical things you could do in this >hypothetical (albeit dumb) situation and thread, heather wants to 'just >look through chris' wallet and maybe cut a lock of hair'. is that not the >dumbest thing you have ever heard? Not at all, Blind Dog. To each their own. If that's what she wants to do, then WHY would it call for you to flame her for it? It may seen "dumb" to you, but perfectly reasonable to her. But I believe she made another post basically saying that she didn't want to offend some of the listers when she wrote that. Am I correct, Heather? >I wasn't outraged, because by this point I don't care about the >thread. I was, however, shocked to see that someone could come up with >such a *dumb* idea. if your assumption that most of the list members like >these 'fun' threads, possibly at the expense of discussion about >soundgarden the *band* (I noticed that it wasn't matt or kim unconscious >in a field), is correct, then it is a sad day indeed for somms. I didn't say that most of the listers enjoyed this kind of thread, nor do I care. I do know, however, that there are SOME of them who enjoy it, so I feel perfectly justified in starting it. Ummm... and in case you haven't noticed BLIND Dog, but Chris is the main "sex symbol" in the band. I know of people who find Matt and Kim more attractive than Chris, but as I started the damn thread, I put Chris in it. Kapeesh? (My spelling is OFF tonight.) >'...and maybe cut a lock of his hair'? what a boneheaded idea. Well, gee Blind Dog... not all of us can be as creative and cool as you, now can we? Damn all of us straight to hell... Shroom ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... *** Chris Cornell ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 104] ****************************************