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Today's Topics:
 

                            Help on the CD+ thing
                          Re: Help on the CD+ thing
                       Re:new thread(1 song for lolla)
                           Re: rock that geetar...
                Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 3 Apr 1996
                               Face Pollution
                              Early Soundgarden
                                New SG album
                             to the big McCheese
                                    Radio
                                Re: Shirtless
                 Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 2 Apr 1996
                         Re: heres a useless thread
                Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 3 Apr 1996
                            Re: one song live...
                                Re: Shirtless
                             stating the obvious
                                Songs in 4/4
                                    fart
                              Song sg MUST play
                                Reading Boot
                    don't you want to touch it anyway...
                      This ain't no hangin' matter.....
                         and ride a pack of dogs...
                    Re: This ain't no hangin' matter.....
                                     IRC
                                   #somms
                             stating the obvious
                                Re: fun facts
                                 Re: Height.
                                Re: Shirtless
                                     IRC

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From: Joco Agostinho <joao.alex@mail.telepac.pt>
Subject: Help on the CD+ thing

Hi guys!
I got some big problem here, well here it goes:
Does anybody on the list have the CD+ working on a double speed
Creative Labs/Panasonic CD-rom?
If yes email me because on mine it doesnt work, but if you dont have the 
cdrom and know how to solve my problem email me too.
PLEASE GUYS IM FUCKIN' FRUSTRATED.

p.s-To those of you that have the new S.T.P. is it cool?
    Where would you put it best than core? best than purple?
    Tell me ok?

- -- 
"I sure don't mind a change" - Cornell

Keep in touch!
C-ya!!
 
 
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From: Greg Bensimon <greg@icscorp.com>
Subject: Re: Help on the CD+ thing

Joco,

Sorry, but you're out of luck with that CD-ROM drive.  That was the drive 
I had when I first got the Jar of Flies CD+.  I called Creative Labs, and 
asked them how to make it work, and they flat out told me it will not 
work.  Maybe what we need is a spot on Seth's page titled "CD-ROM Drives 
that Let You Enjoy AITS".  Everybody who has had success could post what 
CD-ROM drive (manufacturer and model number) they are using.

Oh yeah, don't try the Creative Labs 6x drive either.  It also flat out 
will not work.

Finally, don't be fooled by the Corel drivers that come with the CD+.  
Those drivers are for SCSI CD-ROM drives only.  They will not help at all 
if you're using a drive with an IDE interface or that funky Panasonic 
interface (meaning most drives). :-(


Greg

    -- Life's a bitch, and then you buy a CD+



On Wed, 3 Apr 1996, Joco Agostinho wrote:

> I got some big problem here, well here it goes:
> Does anybody on the list have the CD+ working on a double speed
> Creative Labs/Panasonic CD-rom?

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From: Gonzo <jgg@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Re:new thread(1 song for lolla)

It would have to be 4th. of July.that song has so much distortion that
itwill kicks my Butt all over the the pit.ok ,thats all.
GonZ0

*****************************Little Joe run for the border**************



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From: e9328995@student.uq.edu.au (John Grieves)
Subject: Re: rock that geetar...

At 00:28 02/04/96 -0500, Glenn wrote:
>> Harmonics, I'm not so sure > of.  Is this another      > technique
altogether, 
>or  > are you guitar freaks     > calling the same thing by > different names??
>
>Harmonics, Carolyn, and anyone else who cares, are a completely different 
>technique.  I won't bother with explaining the technique, but it produces a 
>sustaining, almost piano or keyboard-like tone on a guitar. 

I'd be interested to hear other guitarists' opinions on this one. The first
song Carolyn referred to, Uncovered from Louder than Love, definitely uses
muted/muffled strings (fret hand lightly touching strings while strumming) -
I know 'cos official guitar tab says so. The other track referred to,
Bombtrack from Rage Against The Machine, I believe uses palm muting.

Now, is the resulting "scratchy-screechy" sound of muted/muffled strings a
result of harmonics? I mean, muted strings are essentially a form of
harmonics, aren't they? Both harmonics and muted strings you're lightly
touching the strings without pressing them all the way down to the
fretboard... or am I missing something?

My next problem is that I'm having a bugger of a time producing harmonics,
either artificial or natural. Has anyone out there got some tips for me? The
particular song I'm working on at the moment is Kindergarten from Faith No
More, and I can't get the natural harmonics found in the guitar part to
sound much like what they should, regardless of the amount of gain or
distortion I apply.

Also, a friend of mine told me that harmonics are limited to certain
frets...is this true?

All opinions and tips welcome...

Jackhammer.


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From: Peter_Cabral@brown.edu (Peter Cabral)
Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday,  3 Apr 1996


Lets say that Soundgarden has bronken up.  And A&M being typically weedy
wesels that any corporate music business that it is has decided to milk
the last penny out of Soundgarden that they still can have decided to
release a double CD (because double CDs are the rage today eg. pumpkins,
2-pac etc).  On one CD of course will have all the singles  they
released;
Flower, Hands all over, Loud Love, Big Dumb Sex (b/c GNR covered it),
Rusty Cage, Outshined, JCP, My Wave, BHS, day i tried to live, fell on
black days, spoonman, and Superunknown.  Hope I didn't miss any.
The second CD will be those special favorites that will cover the lenght
of their career that will be picked out by you and your special interests
and whims just because you liked them the best.  15 songs you get that
should completely cover their career but totally subjective.
My fifteen
1.  Nothing to say -  the introvert's theme song
2.  Hand of God - early classic
3.  Mood for trouble
4.  Nazi Driver - I don't care if it tastes like poison
5.  Head Injury
6.  Mood for trouble
7.  Ugly truth - overlooked it seems
8.  I awake - it just grows on you
9.  Full on Kev's Mom - dont ask me why, its just weird
10. Slaves and Bulldozers (live) the best song to hear live, Sg can
    really jam
11. Somewhere - the last song on one of the greatest sides ever (my first
    copy of BMF was on tape
12. Searching with my good eye closed - the song just grooves, great song
    to listen to when chemically altered
13. Limo Wreck - this song just grows on you, my personal fave
14. Mailman
15. Head down

i've got the name for this 2cd set!  *chris*tory.   it'll have a big studly
picture of our 6'1.5" beefcake as a statue on the cover too.  seriously,
though, i would like to hear 'fresh tendrils' on this compilation.  i mean
matt takes tremendous pride in his song, and i think the song kicks tha
ass.  like suicide and new damage have got to be there, too.  i personally
think it might have to be a three cd set, to avoid the arguments.  i mean,
we can't do what zeppelin remasters did and forget 'what is and what shall
never be'.  i'll never forgive them for that.  assholes.  one things for
sure, the *live* version of beyond the wheel is going on.  (what am i
talking about?  i still haven't heard it!)  i waiting with baited breath,
though.  and about smokestack lightning--i regret to say that it will never
grow on me.  it just sounds silly, i mean, sg just had no pedigree in the
blues.



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From: OponFam@aol.com
Subject: Face Pollution

Hey Mayor McCheese.  I really liked your interpretation of Face Pollution. 
Kathie

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From: OponFam@aol.com
Subject: Early Soundgarden

I have to disagree with Peter Cabral in his assessment of early Soundgarden.
 Every Soundgarden recording is very different - every album has had a
different sound and feel.  I love Toybox and Flower and Beyond the Wheel and,
well you get the picture.  As far as being "unpolished", I hope Soundgarden's
music never becomes polished.  I love their rawness and personally prefer
alot of their older stuff to the newer (although I do love BMF).  I got a
funny feeling in my stomach reading this post, perhaps because the attitude
seemed a bit elitist.  I wonder if this guy has ever actually seen
Soundgarden live and experienced the raw energy of all their music.  Maybe
I'm just biased because I'm such a big fan, or maybe I just like the kind of
music that Mr. Cabral thinks is crap.  Maybe none of this really matters (its
late).  I guess this means that if he had first heard Soundgarden at the same
time I first did, 6+ years ago, he wouldn't have liked them? To each his own
I guess.

Kathie  

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From: "Andy Lenart" <lenarta@warp.msoe.edu>
Subject: New SG album

Hey everybody,

I heard there was a new SG album due out in May.  Could someone fill 
me in as to what it's titled, and the exact date it will be released?
You guys have probably been talking about it for months, so bear with 
me, I haven't read the digest in a while.

- -Andy Lenart-
- -Milwaukee School of Engineering-
lenarta@warp.msoe.edu

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From: dwy2@po.cwru.edu (Bu Shi Bai Ren)
Subject: to the big McCheese

To the mayor;
        Sorry I didn't realize you were only kidding.  It sure didn't sound
like it.  I just get REAL pissy when people make claims without factual
basis.  But, like you said, you were only joking.  I am now apologizing for
ragging on your butt.  Don't take any offense from my blistering reply.
                                Dun
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
- --------------
"Cretins!  Fools!  You will learn to your eternal horror the folly of
challenging me!  I possess weapons of such terrible power as to beggar your
pathetic imaginations!  But even your blatant stupidity does not suprise me,
for only the most abysmal ignorance could excuse such unbelievable
effrontery!" -- Dun-Wei, in response to those other guys.


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From: Sabo <roetrl17@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu>
Subject: Radio

Hey I'm a d.j. for our school radio and I was wondering if any one knew 
where I could pick up an edited version of Kyle Petty Son of Richard.  
They wont let me play any songs with any bad words in it or else I'm 
fired, and I feel that it is my job to make it possible for the whole 
school to experiance this master piece.  If any one could give me any 
information on where to go, call, write, on this or anything else, it 
would be fucking great.

Thanks alot,
Randy

P.s. No I don't want to edit the song my self, I would kill the song.

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From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us
Subject: Re: Shirtless

SH>NM>-Have you ever seen Chris without a goatee after Loud Love?
SH>     Maybe it was just different drugs (sorry NM... I don't do crack)... but
SH>I think that during the video for JCP, when the guys are all hanging upside
SH>down... Chris doesn't have any fuzzies.  Can anyone back me up here?  
I dug it out, and he has a goat the whole video, but when he's hanging
upside down, I think it's the lighting, because it's really hard to
see.  But you can tell something's there.  

SH>     BTW... for anyone who indulges in mental distortion... isn't that one o
SH>the best videos to watch while you're... uh... distorting?  I swear...
SH>everytime I see it... when Chris is reaching out towards the camera, I could
SH>swear he's coming through my TV.  And when he's driving that chisel into 
SH>screen... weird.  But oh-so cool.

I've never watched that video while I was, uh, as you put it,
distorting.  But another good video to watch in Superunknown when it's
going through the tunnel and the fire balls are passing you.  It's
pretty freaky.

                                                                
Nothingman
 
   -He got juju eyeballs.

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From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us
Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday,  2 Apr 1996

PE>i like the chorus to 'all your lies' as well!  one other great aspect is
PE>that 'he didn't' is in 10/8.  

I was just wondering what that was.  I was gonna ask, but I guess I
don't have to now.  I thought it was in something 8, but I wasn't sure.
 And also, there's some pretty weird drumming.  I mean, it's not really
weird, but Matt accents in the coolest places.  I guess that's just the
10/8, though.

PE>i'll tell you, rhythmic creativity is a dying
PE>art these days, and sg is one of the only bands keeping it alive.  

Yep.  Even on Come Together, they did a lot to the song to change it to
their style, without changing it much at all.  I think that's another
thing they've got going for them.  The same with Girl U Want.  I heard
the SG version first, and then later I heard it at the beginning of
Tank Girl, and I thought, "WOW!  It's Girl U Want, and it sounds almost
just like the SG one!"  But Soundgarden added some heavier guitars (not
really heavy, just kinda) and then Chris sang it (which made it even
better :) and BANG!  Soundgarden song.  It's just so cool how they can
change a song to fit them, without changing it a lot.  Maybe it means
that they're more versitile.  I also think G'N'R does pretty good with
remakes, too.  I know I liked their Big Dumb Sex (not as good as the
original, though).

PE>or 'elderly woman buttering her bread and fly fishing in a small town' (i
PE>forget the actual name) from vs.  i love that song!  

HAHAHAHAHAHA!  Elderly Woman Behind the Counter of a Small Town.  I
love it too.

PE>i think chris cornell may look at 4/4
PE>as "been there, done that.  i'm chris cornell, not spacehog.  let me write
PE>something that kicks ass."  and it works *every time*.

He's done the Dew.  But anyway, are there any Soundgarden songs in 4/4?
 I don't really pay attention to the time signature much.  I just
listen for the beat.  It works for me.  Isn't JCP in 4/4?  I don't
remember.
 
                                                                    
Nothingman
 
    -I've been looking for a reject.

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From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us
Subject: Re: heres a useless thread

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ME>I play an Acoustic FObD quite often! It rocks! 

Yeah, I do that too, sometimes, but I mean they should arrange the
whole song to fit it to acoustic.  Like they did with Like Suicide, and
STP did with Plush.  

ME>('Cept I don't know the
ME>guitar part
ME>right after "Hands are for shaking, no, not tying....not tying...."  Can any
ME>help me out there?)

Maybe this'll help, but I dunno if it has the part you want.  I haven't
looked at it too much.

                                                                  
Nothingman
 
    -Yeah, I know what to do, I'm gonna pluck, pluck, pluck, pluck you!

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Andrew Northcutt <northcut@winnie.fit.edu>

This song was taken from the Cherry Lane book with a couple of my 
suggestions to make it easier to play.
WOW! A Soundgarden song in normal tuning!
Whole song is in 6/4 time.
KEY
 b/4=1/4th bend, b/h=half bend, b/f=full bend
 h=hammer on
 p=pull off
 / OR \=slide up/down
                           Fell on Black Days
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This one of the simplest songs by Soundgarden. The key is G and the 
guitar is in normal tunning. You'll play the intro rhythm most of the 
song but anyway, simple or not IT ROCKS!!!

In the last bar of this rhythm, guitar II plays in the 9th fret on the G 
string bent a full step and lets go slowly.
   Verse rhythm--------------|  FILL 1------------------|
                  Play 3 times   4/4 time        B||--0--||back 
G||---9----4--2-0-0-0-0-0-----||---9----4--2-0-0--||--0--|| to
D||o--9--x-4--2-0-2-2-2-2----o||---9--x-4--2-0-2--||--2--|| 6/4
A||o--7--x-2------3-3-3-3----o||---7--x-2------3--||--3--||time!
E||-----------------------0---||------------------||-----||
           b/h                           b/h

For the verse play Verse rhythm 9 times(above).  

The little fill is written in a wierd way in the book so I'll transcribe 
my version which I feel sounds even better. (Play in 4/4 and return to 6/4)
   FILL 2
E||--------------------||----------0-0--||
B||--0--0-0--0--0-0----||----------0-0--||
G||--------------------||-------7--0-0--||
D||--9--9-9--9--9-9\7--||--7-7----------||
A||--------------------||-------5--7-7--||
E||--7--7-7--7--7-7\5--||--5-5-----8-8--||

For the chorus, play the verse rhythm 3 times and then FILL 1. 
Then the verse rhythm comes again 9 times (told ya!) and FILL 2.
This time Kim plays a little fill in FILL 2 which goes:

     ^^^^^(vibrato notes)         ^^^^^^^            ^^^^
B||--------------------||----10---10-----10-------||-----||He plays this
G||--7---------9----7--||----------------------9--||-(9)-||at the end too.
D||--------9-----------||-------------------------||-----||
A||--------------------||-------------------------||-----||
               b/f           b/f         b/f    

Now play the Verse rhythm 3 times for the chorus and now the cool part comes:

   "black days.      How would..                    Play 2 x
G||---9---4---2-0-0\--7--7--7--||--9-x-4---2-0--0-0-0-0-----||
D||o--9-x-4---2-0-2\--7--7--7--||--9-x-4---2-0--2-2-2-2---o-||
A||o--7-x-2-------3\--5--5--5--||--7-x-2--------3-3-3-3---o-||
E||----------------------------||-----------------------0---||
         b/h

   
G||--9-x-4---2-0-0----0-0--||
D||--9-x-4---2-0-2----2-2--||
A||--7-x-2-------3----3-3--||
E||------------------------||
         b/h

Interlude(alas, a different rhythm!): (4/4 time).
G||----------9-/13--/14--||-(14)----16-17-16--14--16--17---19--||
D||o--9--9-9----------0--||--(0)--0--0---------0---0---0-0--0--||
A||o---------7-/11--/12--||-(12)-------------------------------||
E||---7--7-7-------------||------------------------------------||
                                      h  p
   _____________________________  ____________________________________    
   |1.2.                       |  |3.                                 
G||-(19)--17--16--14------14\---||-(19)---16-17-16--14--16--17----16--||
D||--(0)---0---0---0----0--0---o||--(0)-0--0--0--0---0---0---0--0--0--||
A||----------------------------o||------------------------------------||
E||-----------------------------||------------------------------------||
                                            h  p

G||-(16)-----16-17-16-14--16--17-----19--||-(19)--17--16-14-----12-11\9--||
D||--(0)--0---0--0--0--0---0---0--0---0--||--(0)---0---0--0------0--0----||
A||--------------------------------------||------------------------------||
E||--------------------------------------||------------------------------||

(Suprise, suprise)Play Verse Rhythm 8 times for last verse.
In the "Hands are for shaking" part play these chords: 
(4/4 time first 2 bars, 2/4 last one)

                                    Play 3 times        
E||------------------||-----------0-0--||-(0)---||
B||------------------||-----------0-0--||-(0)---||
G||o--9--9-9----9----||--------7--0-0--||-(0)--o||
D||o--9--9-9--9-9-9--||--\7-7--7-------||------o||
A||---7--7-7--9-7-9--||--\7-7--5--7-7--||-(7)---||
E||-----------7---7--||--\5-5-----8-8--||-(8)---||

Guess what? Play the Chorus with the verse rhythm but NOW you play with 
this fill:


B||-------------------||--------------------||------------------||
G||--4--/9-9--/12-12--||--\4--/9-9--/12-12--||--13--\7-7--/9-9--||
D||-------------------||--------------------||------------------||
A||--2--/7-7--/10-10--||--\2--/7-7--/10-10--||--11--\5-5--/7-7--||
E||-------------------||--------------------||------------------||

B||------------------7-7-7--||
G||--13--9--/14-14\--7-7-7--||
D||------------------7-7-7--||
A||--11--7--/12-12\--5-5-5--||
E||-------------------------||

Play this with the "How would I know.." riff:
                               Play 3 times
B||---9-------------||---------------------||
G||o--9--9--/12-12--||--13--\7-7--/14-14--o||
D||o--9-------------||--------------------o||
A||---7--7--/10-10--||--11--\5-5--/12-12---||
E||not played 

B||--9-------------||--------------------||
G||--9--9--/14-14--||--13--\7-7--/14-14--||
D||--9-------------||--------------------||
A||--7--7--/12-12--||--11--\5-5--/12-12--||
E||not played

And for the grand "finale" play FILL 2 and let the last note ring out.
Oh yeah the outro solo goes like this:
     ^^^^       ^^^           ^^^
E||-------------------||----------------------||
B||-------------------||-----------------10---||hold last note until
G||--7------7-7-7-----||--9---9--x-7-9-7------||death.
D||------9---------9--||----------------------||
                          b/f       h p   b/f 

Andreworks & Co. (HAPA).

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From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us
Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday,  3 Apr 1996


PE> and about smokestack lightning--i regret to say that it will never
PE>grow on me.  it just sounds silly, i mean, sg just had no pedigree in the
PE>blues.

Woah!  I think they do a great job with it.  I mean, it may not be
bluesy out the ass, but it's still cool.  I think Soundgarden is one of
the only bands that could play just about any type of music.
They Might Be Giants could play any type of music.  And They do!

                                                               
Nothingman
 
   -Where your eyes don't go a part of you is wandering.

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From: "Lori S. Bingel" <Lori.S.Bingel@students.Miami.EDU>
Subject: Re: one song live...

Sad to say, I'm going to be in Europe this summer and will miss lolla 
completely...BUT!  If I had to hear one Soundgarden song live, it would 
be a tossup between JCP and Beyond the Wheel.  And yes, it gives me chills...

Lori

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From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com
Subject: Re: Shirtless

>I've never watched that video while I was, uh, as you put it,
>distorting.  But another good video to watch in Superunknown when it's
>going through the tunnel and the fire balls are passing you.  It's
>pretty freaky.

AAAAAAUUUUUUGGGGGHHHHHH!!!  I've never seen this video.  I don't have MTV.
 And <gasp> I don't have a CD ROM.  I've only got a notebook computer, and
the friggin' CD ROM'S ARE $600+.  Pooooooor Shroom.  That's ok though.  I'm
tough.  I can take it.  <sob>  Is it true that there's a picture of Chris
with his finger up his nose in the picture gallery?  I also heard they
snapped a pic of someone's butt.  Whose?  C'mon people... fess up.  Help me.
 Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze?   <kisskiss>
                                                   Shroom
 ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... ***  Chris Cornell
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From: "Joseph A. Burnett" <josephb3@maui.netwave.net>
Subject: stating the obvious

Dunn said....
   One last time:
                I don't hate preppies.
                I don't hate rich people.
                I do hate people who switch clothes/hair/music/ways of 
life
at                   the drop of a hat, just so they'll be cool according 
to
MTV.
                  As stated before, be original for once in your pathetic 
lives.


ok ladies and gents....enough.

sellouts.  poseurs.  wannabes.

all these terms annoy me.  granted, bullies and preps turned grungies 
annoy me as well, but, to all the "hard core" grungers out there, who 
feel they're getting they're toes stepped on...tough shit.
its the same in chicago too.  football players appear at punk shows.  10 
year olds at green day shows.  and we all feel like after being ridiculed 
for years, now what was once ours is now theirs.  
but, the sad fact is, there's nothing you can do.  and, more importantly, 
its not a new scenario.  skaters whined, punks whined, dylan fans whined, 
dead fans whined, doors fans whined.....they're taking our music....
music isn't an undiscovered part of antarctica...you don't stick your 
flanel flag in the ground, and declare it your group...unfortunately, 
rancid needs to eat, billie joe's son needs clothes, and kurt needed 
heroin money......so whether you like it or not, until the music wheel 
turns again, and some other genre is on top, you're gonna have tolive 
with it.  all you "hardcores" weren't born with flanels on your backs, 
were you?  your moms didn't sing you to sleep with "Anarchy in the 
UK"...so who are you to say you own it?  everyone heard nirvana for the 
first time somewhere, so does that mean whoever played it to you is 
cooler?  as long as you have your music, stop bitching.  stop before the 
music dies.  or we kill it.......Big Joe

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From: e9328995@student.uq.edu.au (John Grieves)
Subject: Songs in 4/4

At 14:37 03/04/96 EDT, Nothingman wrote:
>PE>i think chris cornell may look at 4/4
>PE>as "been there, done that.  i'm chris cornell, not spacehog.  let me write
>PE>something that kicks ass."  and it works *every time*.
>
>He's done the Dew.  But anyway, are there any Soundgarden songs in 4/4?
> I don't really pay attention to the time signature much.  I just
>listen for the beat.  It works for me.  Isn't JCP in 4/4?  I don't
>remember.

Handfull of SG songs in 4/4:

eg. BADMOTORFINGER:

Jesus Christ Pose
Rusty Cage (until the berko 3/4 3/4 5/4 3/4 5/4 part)
Slaves and Bulldozers
Searching with My Good Eye Closed (except for one bar 7/8)
Mind Riot
Drawing Flies (6/4 for intro + 1st & final verse + outro)
Holy Water


And so on for other albums. Maybe the band shouldn't give away 4/4
completely 'cos there's something nice and secure in the symmetry of 4/4 for
most people that you just can't find in Half's 11/16.



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From: Erin Blue <ernblue@bright.net>
Subject: fart

you dont hate jocks, prepies,and rich kids? hell, i hate everyone.(dare i
say eddie vedder?)
ps everyone who sent me mail on what to name the Dog.Thanks im going to name
it captain crunch.i thought nouthingmans post was cool(for a change)
kill your mtv


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From: btimlake@nwu.edu (Ben Timberlake)
Subject: Song sg MUST play

Soundgarden must play Mind Riot.
I can already hear the beginning chords being played in some huge field in
the middle of Missouri. It brings tears to my eyes just to think about them
playing this song live. Whenever I'm at any show, I imagine Soundgarden
playing Mind Riot live and practically go into convulsions.
                                        - Ben
"And the police said this is normal control"

Ben Timberlake                          "Do one thing for me,
Northwestern University                    Sredni Vashtar."
Medill School of Journalism                    - Saki
btimlake@nwu.edu         -30-
   "If I should be short on words and long on things to say,
    could you crawl into my world and take these words away?"
                                  - Chris Cornell, "Seasons"



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From: jtm8@cornell.edu (J.T. Myers)
Subject: Reading Boot

Does anybody have a copy of the Reading bootleg that they'd be willing to
trade?  I have Fortissimo, Supermainstream, Stolen Prayers, and Digging the
Garden as well as every non-LP song from singles, compilations etc.  E-mail
me if you're interested.

                                J.T.


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From: blind dog <s325961@student.uq.edu.au>
Subject: don't you want to touch it anyway...

On Tue, 2 Apr 1996 foreshocks@bbs.cowland.com wrote:

> Down On The Upside is the totle of the new SG album
> IN STORES MAY 21 1996!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> TITLES INCLUDE:
> PRETTY NOOSE
> RHINOSAUR
> BLOW UP THE OUTSIDE WORLD
> TIGHTER AND TIGHTER
> NO ATTENTION

	don't you read seth's page foreshocks? this has been up there for 
at least two weeks. not to mention that seth posted both the tracklisting 
and the release date to this very list even before that.

                       -----------------------------------
                        a thousand doors, a thousand lies
                           rooms a thousand years wide 
                       -----------------------------------


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From: Ross Filipek <rfilipek@indiana.edu>
Subject: This ain't no hangin' matter.....

On the Rocktropolis page they've got "Blow Up the Outside" instead of 
"Blow Up the Outside World" in the track list. Anybody know which one is 
correct?

Ross

		    "But in your heart I'd freeze."                   
				       --C. Cornell            
        

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From: blind dog <s325961@student.uq.edu.au>
Subject: and ride a pack of dogs...



	about this to shirt or not to shirt debate.

	I'm listening to the crown of thorns bootleg, and there is some 
drunken hootchie out in the audience shouting between songs: 'outshined' 
(probably the only song she knew), and 'take your shirt off' or 'take 
your kit off', and chris is totally ignoring her.

	I think that is cool :)


                       -----------------------------------
                        a thousand doors, a thousand lies
                           rooms a thousand years wide 
                       -----------------------------------


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Subject: Re: This ain't no hangin' matter..... 
From: seth <saperl@MIT.EDU>

> On the Rocktropolis page they've got "Blow Up the Outside" instead of 
> "Blow Up the Outside World" in the track list. Anybody know which one is 
> correct?

I was wondering how long it would take other people to notice this.
I'd be willing to bet a large quantity of money that the official page
is wrong in this case.

seth

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From: Chris Mackenzie <cmackenz@spots.ab.ca>
Subject: IRC

There's discussion on IRC tonight so head on over to #somms on undernet.

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From: Eric Gardner <beavis@io.com>
Subject: #somms

is open for the bored

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From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us
Subject: stating the obvious

JO>so who are you to say you own it?  

I never said I own it, and I'm always glad when people discover a new
band that I like....  

JO>everyone heard nirvana for the 
JO>first time somewhere, so does that mean whoever played it to you is 
JO>cooler?  

...BUT, when they made fun of me years ago for liking the same music
that they just "discovered", THEN it gets annoying.  Nobody played
Soundgarden for me.  The reason I heard them is because I read a review
of Superunknown, and something about the review grabbed me and said,
"That'll be GREAT!" so I bought it, and it was.  But I do hear some new
music from other people, but they also hear new music from me.  My
method of finding something new is looking in the CD bin for something
that looks cool and grabs my attention (usually).  But that's not the
point.  The point is, people who jump on the bandwagon suck, because
they are usually jumping on the same bandwagon that they claimed to
hate a few years ago.

                                                                   
Nothingman
 
    -"Oh, yeah, Trent Reznor is just the coolest."
    -Didn't you hate him?
    -"Oh...well, that was last year."

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From: "Vasant Ramamurthy" <vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu>
Subject: Re: fun facts

>Eddie Vedder grew up in Evanston
>Billy Corgan attended Evanston Township High School
>Liz Phair's parents work at Northwestern Hospital (in Evanston)
>Matt Cameron has never lived in Evanston.

Umm, no. Billy Corgan went to Glenbard North.

Vasant
- --
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                       The Refuge of the Damned
               http://ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu/~vman/me.html

Vasant Ramamurthy
vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu
"I don't need your love to disconnect" - An Ode to No One -Smashing Pumpkins
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From: "Vasant Ramamurthy" <vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu>
Subject: Re: Height.

>BTW: How many have had their SuperUnKnown CDs stolen? My original was stolen,
>and so were three of my friends..but near none of our other CDs have ever
>been stolen.

What do you expect from such an awesome album? Of course, theft is probably
not the best way to get it, but oh well, just shows you how good it is.

Vasant
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                       The Refuge of the Damned
               http://ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu/~vman/me.html

Vasant Ramamurthy
vman@ctdnet.acns.nwu.edu
"I don't need your love to disconnect" - An Ode to No One -Smashing Pumpkins
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From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us
Subject: Re: Shirtless

SH> Is it true that there's a picture of Chris
SH>with his finger up his nose in the picture gallery?  

I love that picture. It just shows that I'm not the only stupid one who
gets his picture taken with his finger in his nose.  Didja ever notice
that no matter who you are, your finger fits nicely in your nose?  In
the senior class picture, I had my finger in my nose.  :)  

SH>I also heard they
SH>snapped a pic of someone's butt.  Whose?  C'mon people... fess up.  Help
SH>me.

I didn't see a butt, but the music in the picture gallery rules.  I
said it before, but I'll say it again.  I think we might hear some of
this on their new album.  

                                                                  
Nothingman
 
   -I feel like I've been livin' in the Temple of the Dog.

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From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us
Subject: IRC

CM>There's discussion on IRC tonight so head on over to #somms on undernet.

How might I go about this IRC thing?
 
                             Nothingman
 
   -Well, pardon me all to hell.

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