From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Wednesday, 3 Apr 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 00:09:19 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Wednesday, 3 Apr 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: new thread... heres a useless thread Re: new thread... new thread... i read it wrong Ben . . . Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 2 Apr 1996 Re: blowing the pieces... Re: new thread... Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 2 Apr 1996 Re: blowing the pieces... ...planets align... a king is born whoops :> Re: artificial soundgarden... Re: i read it wrong new thread... MetalliGarden heres a useless thread Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 2 Apr 1996 Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 2 Apr 1996 Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 1 Apr 1996 Beyond the Wheel clarification part 2 shirtless Re: Beyond the Wheel Is anyone from New Jersey? DOTU on vinyl Re: DOTU on vinyl Re: DOTU on vinyl More Release Date Info Re: i read it wrong Re: Chris Covered Radiohead? Re: clarification part 2 Re: Shirtless Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 2 Apr 1996 #somms now open Re: Shirtless Re: Is anyone from New Jersey? Re: heres a useless thread Christi! Chain letters! We don't need no steeking chain letters! ------------------------------------------------------------ From: He Who Walks Between Subject: new thread... I'm just trying to do my part!!! Ok, all people going to lolla this summer, think about this one: What song MUST sg play at lolla in order to make your life complete? Only one song. If someone says bhs, i'll kill them. Or at least hire nothing man to annoy them to death. I would be ecstatic if Sg went through an entire set WITHOUT playing bhs. Could it happen? Ok, my vote for the song they must play is BEYOND THE WHEEL. I must hear it live. Else i'll just have to keep going to sg concerts until i hear it! And that could get expensive.... -j aka Chicka Jackeen, A Livein Thesu (Per Unkn Own). Boom biddy bye bye! ***************************************************************************** The Only Colloquialism Page i know of: http://www.unc.edu/~toybox/words.html "If there's one damn real alternative band left in this godless culture, it's Cracker" -U Magazine. ------------------------------ From: John Patrick Freeman Subject: heres a useless thread Lets say that Soundgarden has bronken up. And A&M being typically weedy wesels that any corporate music business that it is has decided to milk the last penny out of Soundgarden that they still can have decided to release a double CD (because double CDs are the rage today eg. pumpkins, 2-pac etc). On one CD of course will have all the singles they released; Flower, Hands all over, Loud Love, Big Dumb Sex (b/c GNR covered it), Rusty Cage, Outshined, JCP, My Wave, BHS, day i tried to live, fell on black days, spoonman, and Superunknown. Hope I didn't miss any. The second CD will be those special favorites that will cover the lenght of their career that will be picked out by you and your special interests and whims just because you liked them the best. 15 songs you get that should completely cover their career but totally subjective. My fifteen 1. Nothing to say - the introvert's theme song 2. Hand of God - early classic 3. Mood for trouble 4. Nazi Driver - I don't care if it tastes like poison 5. Head Injury 6. Mood for trouble 7. Ugly truth - overlooked it seems 8. I awake - it just grows on you 9. Full on Kev's Mom - dont ask me why, its just weird 10. Slaves and Bulldozers (live) the best song to hear live, Sg can really jam 11. Somewhere - the last song on one of the greatest sides ever (my first copy of BMF was on tape 12. Searching with my good eye closed - the song just grooves, great song to listen to when chemically altered 13. Limo Wreck - this song just grows on you, my personal fave 14. Mailman 15. Head down Thats my subjective list of non singles to throw on the best of ablum. Methinks this is the definition article subject so I understand why it would not get many replies but some of yall might want more SU. Someone who just wasted potentially valuable sleeping time to come up with this list ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: new thread... What song do I wanna hear? BLACK HOLE SUN!! BLACK HOLE SUN!!! BLACK HOLE SUN!!!! Heheheh... no wait... OUTSHINED!!! SPOONMAN!!! Just kidding. I know you love me J. Seriously though, I must hear... ummm... well... Beyond the Wheel would be cool. But who am I kidding? I've gotta hear Chris screaming "I'm going to fuck fuck fuck fuck you!!!!" in my general direction once again. It's a must. It's been too long since I've experienced that. My vote: Big Dumb Sex... there's nothing quite like it... Shroom - - Peace, Love, and Waterbeds... ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... *** Chris Cornell ------------------------------ From: foreshocks@bbs.cowland.com Subject: new thread... BLACK HOLE SUN! Kidding.. :> I like Black Hole Sun and all, but on the Reading tape they just sound so bored with the whole thing, they're probably disgusted with that poor song :( I wouldn't want them to fall asleep in the middle of their set. So no Black Hole Sun. Hmm... I would like to see them do No Wrong No Right live. But I think I'm with you.. I wanna see em do Beyond The Wheel :> foreshocks ------------------------------ From: Peter_Cabral@brown.edu (Peter Cabral) Subject: i read it wrong From: Hannes Sarkuni Subject: Height. Jesus Christ Poser BTW: How many have had their SuperUnKnown CDs stolen? My original was stolen, and so were three of my friends..but near none of our other CDs have ever been stolen. i'd be pissed if three of my friends were stolen. i'd be even more pissed if someone decided to steal soundgarden albums from me. i tried to um...keep forever..er, not give back, uh...take care of, well--steal the badmotorfinger/somms cd set from my ex. didn't work. had to buy it myself. all my lies. peter ------------------------------ From: btimlake@nwu.edu (Ben Timberlake) Subject: Ben . . . > I know I'm going to get flamed like hell for posting this... but >y'know... I really couldn't care less. I'm just sharing what little SG info >I can get my hands on. You're welcome!! Why would you get flamed for this? I think it's funny as hell. That's what you get for throwing ice at a tortured genius. Or a guy named Ben. - Ben Ben Timberlake Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, Northwestern University Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh Medill School of Journalism DON'T TOUCH ME! btimlake@nwu.edu -30- "If I should be short on words and long on things to say, could you crawl into my world and take these words away?" - Chris Cornell, "Seasons" ------------------------------ From: dwy2@po.cwru.edu (Bu Shi Bai Ren) Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 2 Apr 1996 >From: bagraves >Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 30 Mar 1996 > >hey clown...word! > >On Sun, 31 Mar 1996, ClownWithBazooka wrote: > >> >> >You were all Gap wearing preppies laughing at the people you now hang >> >posters of on your wall. Eddie said that people who beat him up in school >> >are now asking him for autographs, and it makes him sick. I'm sick of >> >people buying Doc Martens/flannel/etc. cuz it's cool. Be original for once >> >in your pathetic LL Bean lives. >> >So think how Eddie feels: These Gappy little punks are in sense dirtying >> Uhh.. excuse me I am one of those LL Bean, J-Crew, Britches wearing >> people, I don't wear gap however. Yes I don't like Pearl Jam, there music >> just doesn't do it for me. Plus I am really sick of channel surfing and >> hearing about Eddie Vedder Jams with (insert random name here) plus the >> guy had a stretch of being on the cover of every major >> magazine(complaining about being famous). If your sick of being famous >> don't do interviews. Plus what the hell is that lettermen crap, oh yeah I >> forgot he hates being famous and Pearl Jam=Eddie Vedder. Thats what really >> annoys the hell out of me, there are other guys in the band. Anyway what >> clothes I wear has nothing to do with appreciating music. I didn't start >> listning to bands like SG, RATM, Kings X(which I have been listing to >> since 8th grade, I'm 20 now), Belly, Juliana Hatfield, Machines of Loving >> Grace, to be cool. If you really knew anything my popularity would be hurt >> before it was helped by listning to this music. I am constantly getting >> shit because I hate alannis, Joan Osborne, and hootie. As one of those >> LL Bean preppies I can tell you that, I wear what I wear because I like >> it. I am really not concerned what you or anyone else might think. I am >> not like my friends who listen to Alannis because it's supposedly good. I >> am not rushing to the TV to watch friends because it's the highest rated >> show. I appreciate in full the music I listen to, and I can not only name >> all of sg's albums I own them all. So in the future I would hope you won't >> jump to making snap judgements because of someones income level. There was >> a survey when the list first started on lyrical themes. I supplied alot of >> the quotes. So please don't tell me that because of my parents income >> level, I can't appreciate music. >> -Clown Dear Clown; A point of clarification. Apparently, you (and anyone else out there that got unintentionally offended) mistook my little e-mail message. Let me clear up a bit of information here. I DON'T CARE HOW YOU DRESS. I care about fake people. If you've worn LL Bean all your life, more power to ya. More power to ya if you've worn thrift store hand-me-downs all your life. CLOTHES DON"T MATTER. Clothes don't make the person. Which is my point exactly. These pouser types think that if they look cool, then hey! They ARE cool. And that's my point. My intention is not to rag on music fans who happen to be rich. I'm not exactly lounging in the land of welfare, myself. I AM going off on fakers. People who beat you up in middle school cuz you had long hair, and laughed at you in the 10th grade cuz you wore boots instead of basketball shoes/loafers. These are the same people who claim ---(PJ, SG, Nirvana, the Dead, AIC, take your pick) for their very own. I can't tell you how many times I've heard this from the pousers: "Me? Uhh...I've always liked the Dead. Just no one knew it. Yeah, that's it...this shirt? Oh yeah...umm..Yeah, I made it myself..." Or this one: "Dude, Nirvana's sweet, man. They're the best. I love that song Black. Oh wait, I mean Black Hole Sun. No, wait,it's Even-Fro. I mean, Even-Flow. Yeah, dude, I've always been a fan." I want to KILL these people. Wear what you want to wear. If you're happy with yourself, cool. I'm just ragging on people who dress/act/whatever a certain way so people will think they're cool/alternative/grunge/etc. It's ridiculus. And you're right-- you SHOULDN'T care what I think of you, and vice versa. It sounds like you're for real. That's cool, I don't care if you wear loafers/khakis/whatever. I DO care if you're a pouser, and you're not sounding like one, so you shouldn't be offended. I hope you don't think I'm "making snap judgements because of someone's income". As I've said, money doesn't matter. Your personal integrity does. Your level of income has nothing to do with your ability to appreciate music. So no matter how many rock T-shirts these fakers buy, no matter how many bead necklaces they make, how many imports they buy, etc., they're still LITTLE BAGS OF PUS in my book. As for the rest of your message, I agree (mostly). I agree that SG, RATM, King's X, Belly, and Juliana Hatfield are cool. I can respect your opinion that PJ bites. Everyone has their own tastes. As for PJ=Eddie, well... Everyone in PJ agrees that Eddie is the frontrunner. Stone said that Eddie was definitely the philosophical/spiritual leader in PJ. So it's not like Eddie's suppressing them. No one is arguing that there aren't other people in PJ besides Eddie. If I do recall, there was that little thing called Mother Love Bone. Before that: Green River. You think that people are just gonna ignore Stone and Jeff's musical attributes in PJ? Get real. Look at Jack Irons--former drummer for the Chili Peppers. Not exactly wallowing in obscurity, is he? And what's this?--Temple of the Dog. If I can read the CD booklet (and I can), it says Eddie sang half the lead vocals on 1 song and background vocals for 3 others. Not exactly spotlighting Eddie, are we? As I recall, the album was a tribute to Andrew Wood. Hey wait--isn't he from--Mother Love Bone?! Oh my gosh!! People are recognizing the band that doesn't have (gasp!) Eddie!! Let's not forget the fact that Eddie, being the front man, is the most easily seen (both literally and metaphorically). He writes the band's lyrics--their prime source of communication. Think about it; who pops up in your mind first when you hear of a band? Their drummer? Their keyboardist? Or their singer? Did you ever stop to think that maybe Eddie's not hogging the spotlight? That maybe he was jumped on by the media? That maybe that's why he doesn't want to be in the media? That he wants the emphasis on the BAND, not him? Don't jump to conclusions. You don't like PJ musically, and I can respect that. In fact, I definitely agree that there are bands out there who are more musically talented than PJ (SG being one of them). But don't dis the musicians as people just because of that. Eddie is the victim of some things he can't control(ie., the media, MTV, pouser fakes, etc.). Give him a chance as a person, if not a singer. That's all folks. If there's anyone out there who would like to comment more, just send a message to the Digest. One last time: I don't hate preppies. I don't hate rich people. I do hate people who switch clothes/hair/music/ways of life at the drop of a hat, just so they'll be cool according to MTV. As stated before, be original for once in your pathetic lives. See ya, Dun - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------- "Cretins! Fools! You will learn to your eternal horror the folly of challenging me! I possess weapons of such terrible power as to beggar your pathetic imaginations! But even your blatant stupidity does not suprise me, for only the most abysmal ignorance could excuse such unbelievable effrontery!" -- Dun-Wei, in response to those other guys. ------------------------------ From: Eric Gardner Subject: Re: blowing the pieces... On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, blind dog wrote: > time to get your ears to bone up on a little musicality and tell > us *more* about pretty noose eric :) at least listen to it a couple more > times and transcribe the lyrics for us. we are, of course, all dying to > know. At this very minute, copies of my tape are speeding to a few other members of this list, who hopefully will be able to post a description which will be more meaningful than anything I could come up with (uh, there is some music, then Chris sings, then...). Unfortuately, I sent these tapes via the United States Postal Service...so they may never arrive.:) ------------------------------ From: Greg Bensimon Subject: Re: new thread... On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, He Who Walks Between wrote: > What song MUST sg play at lolla in order to make your life complete? I've got to hear Big Dumb Sex live. What's the quote? Something like... "There's something about screaming the word F*&@! at the top of your lungs..." (I don't remember the rest. Was it Kim who said this?) Anyway, I wanna scream along with SG and 60,000 of my closest friends. Greg "See you in Charlestown!" -- Greg Bensimon ------------------------------ From: foreshocks@bbs.cowland.com Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 2 Apr 1996 DW> That's all folks. If there's anyone out there who would like to DW>comment more, just send a message to the Digest. That was beautiful, but watch yourself here, Seth's gonna come to your house and kill you if anyone posts to the Digest :> Send it to somms@mit.edu :> foreshocks ------------------------------ From: foreshocks@bbs.cowland.com Subject: Re: blowing the pieces... BE>At this very minute, copies of my tape are speeding to a few other BE>members of this list, who hopefully will be able to post a BE>description which will be more meaningful than anything I could BE>come up with (uh, there is some music, then Chris sings, then...). BE>Unfortuately, I sent these tapes via the United States Postal BE>Service...so they may never arrive.:) Nah, I've gotten and sent countless bootlegs through the US Mail.. Cliff Clavin's protecting our mail, remember. And when I do get the tape, I'm gonna write the best damn review this side of Strawberry Ridge (uhhh) I'm in like bands and things, so I can probably help with that background vocal thinge foreshocks ------------------------------ From: foreshocks@bbs.cowland.com Subject: ...planets align... a king is born Down On The Upside is the totle of the new SG album IN STORES MAY 21 1996!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TITLES INCLUDE: PRETTY NOOSE RHINOSAUR ZERO CHANCE DUSTY TY COBB BLOW UP THE OUTSIDE WORLD BURDEN IN MY HAND NEVER NAMED APPLEBITE NEVER THE MACHINE FOREVER TIGHTER AND TIGHTER NO ATTENTION SWITCH OPENS OVERFLOATER AN UNKIND BOOT CAMP Later, KOTS - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I got this from sgkots@aol.com.. I'm wondering if this is the official track listing, what I mean to say is I wonder if this is the order that the songs are gonna appear on the album on, notice that space between Never Named and Applebite, I'm thinking that could be like the first 8 songs are side 1 and the last 8 are side 2. Soundgarden's supposed to do another tour after Lolla? Wonder who's gonna open.. and if they're gonna stop by Albany. :> I just read something on the Soundgarden newsgroup that said something like some guy got to meet sg while they were shooting the new video (Pretty Noose, I assume) and he gave a URL for new Seattle music news: http://www.eskimo.com/~veegl/nwr.htm Hope that's right. :> Oh yeah, the guy who wrote that post about the video said that Chris does indeed ride a Harley, and I guess that THATS what Kickstand is about. More useless Chris Cornell trivia for you useless Chris Cornell trivia collectors. Myself, I love useless Chris Cornell trivia. To put any doubts to rest: I read in a magazine (Metal Edge, cheesey publication, but what the hell) that Chris is 6'1 1/2". ok, i'll shut up now :> foreshocks ------------------------------ From: foreshocks@bbs.cowland.com Subject: whoops :> I got that URL wrong: it's http://www.eskimo.com/~veeg/nwr.htm sorry :> foreshocks ------------------------------ From: Cornell Subject: Re: artificial soundgarden... I just think that it is cool how the guys from these different bands are all friends, and get together to work on side projects. I wish the bands in my town were like that. Oh well. Gregg "Don't come over here and piss on my gate. Save it, ___________ just keep it off my Wave" --My Wave, Soundgarden | | | Soul Sick | "Go avay or i vill taunt you a zecond time" anonymous |___________| French man. melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net On Mon, 1 Apr 1996, blind dog wrote: > > this is from addicted to noise. and just when you thought mad > season couldn't get any better... > > 'pearl jam's mike mcready has already got some songs in the can > for another mad season album - if that is what it is going to be called. > before pj began recording their new opus, mccready and members of alice > in chains (not layne staley), the screaming trees, and soundgarden logged > some intense studio time to produce a new record. what's in question is > whether they'll dub it a mad season project, or whether it will have a > new name...' > > mark lanegan with layne staley was good. but how good would mark > lanegan with chris cornell be? either way, no matter which combination of > musicians it is, when you take from that group it *has* to be good :) > > btw, I read that mike mccready plays on the soon to be released > screaming trees album. > > > ----------------------------------- > a thousand doors, a thousand lies > rooms a thousand years wide > ----------------------------------- > ------------------------------ From: Cornell Subject: Re: i read it wrong There is no way in HELL! that I'm taking my BMF/SOMMS CD to college. I think I'm gonna rent out one of those safe boxes in my bank to keep it in.... Gregg "Don't come over here and piss on my gate. Save it, ___________ just keep it off my Wave" --My Wave, Soundgarden | | | Soul Sick | "Go avay or i vill taunt you a zecond time" anonymous |___________| French man. melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, Peter Cabral wrote: > From: Hannes Sarkuni > Subject: Height. > > > Jesus Christ Poser > > BTW: How many have had their SuperUnKnown CDs stolen? My original was stolen, > and so were three of my friends..but near none of our other CDs have ever > been stolen. > > i'd be pissed if three of my friends were stolen. i'd be even more pissed > if someone decided to steal soundgarden albums from me. i tried to > um...keep forever..er, not give back, uh...take care of, well--steal the > badmotorfinger/somms cd set from my ex. didn't work. had to buy it > myself. > > all my lies. > peter > > ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: new thread... TO>Ok, all people going to lolla this summer, think about this one: TO>What song MUST sg play at lolla in order to make your life complete? Only one song?! I cxan't do that. Ok, my favorite from Motorvision is Little Joe, and I'd love to see them do it live. Chris' vocals are pretty different (and better) on Motorvision (as opposed to Sceaming Life). I guess it's that maturity or experience thing. Nothingman -I'm with stupid. No, wait. I mean, I AM stupid. ------------------------------ From: Razorback Subject: MetalliGarden >and when >you do see rack and roll video, it's blocked out by that fucking mtv chat >line thing that comes in over AOL and makes the videos impossible to see, >and concentrates on these dumb asses that type stuff like "metallica >rulez!" on the screen during RHCP's Aeroplane. count your blessings. I don't think that your average MTV viewer has enough intelligence to realize that Metallica rules. I've never seen that typed. Albums from Soundgarden and Metallica should come with warning labels : "WARNING! Contains excellent music and intelligent lyrics. As such, it may be unsuitable for MTV and its audience." <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> "Give up to fate, you don't have to take me. Make no mistake, I am what you make me..." - Soundgarden doom@rhf.bradley.edu _+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_+_ ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: heres a useless thread JP>the last penny out of Soundgarden that they still can have decided to JP>release a double CD. On one CD of course will have all the singles they JP>released; JP>Flower...Superunknown. Hope I didn't miss any. JP>The second CD will be those special favorites that will cover the lenght JP>of their career that will be picked out by you and your special interests JP>and whims just because you liked them the best. 15 songs you get that JP>should completely cover their career but totally subjective. JP>My fifteen Nothingman's fifteen... 1. Little Joe 2. All Your Lies 3. Mood for Trouble 4. Loud Love 5. Gun 6. Mind Riot 7. Drawing Flies 8. Room a Thousand Years Wide 9. Kyle Petty... 10. 4th of July 11. Let Me Drown 12. Come Together (even though it's a remake, it still rules) 13. Seasons (maybe a whole band arrangement?) 14. an acoustic Fell on Black Days (I can hope) 15. My new favorite song off their new album Ok, so they're not all songs that have been done...yet. But I would like too see it happen sometime. Ok, what Soundgarden song would you most like to see Chris perform acoustic? I'd like to hear FOBD, Mind Riot, and 4th of July. It would be interesting to see what Chris could do to 4th of July to make it acoustic. I think it could be done, though. The most interesting song acoustic? I would say Cold Bitch. Tone down the vocals a bit to suit the acoustic guitar, and maybe rewrite some of the guitar (just a little) and it would be...uh...weird. Well, I play it on an acoustic guitar, and it doesn't sound too bad. Imagine what Chris could do. Wow. Nothingman -I'd like to hear an acoustic Black, too. ------------------------------ From: Nate Crosswhite Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 2 Apr 1996 At 04:40 AM 4/2/96 -0500, Bu Shi Bai Ren wrote: > > I DON'T CARE HOW YOU DRESS. I care about fake people. > I want to KILL these people. > I know where you are coming from, but why do you care about these people? Just leave them to their miserable existence and go on with your own life. They're posers 'cause they need others to approve of them. They beat up other people in high school so they could feel superior. Now that the tables have turned, it seems that the best way to put them in thier place is to just ignore them, don't give them the recognition they crave. > Did you ever stop to think that maybe Eddie's not hogging the >spotlight? That maybe he was jumped on by the media? That maybe that's why >he doesn't want to be in the media? That he wants the emphasis on the BAND, >not him? Don't jump to conclusions. You don't like PJ musically, and I can >respect that. In fact, I definitely agree that there are bands out there who >are more musically talented than PJ (SG being one of them). But don't dis >the musicians as people just because of that. Eddie is the victim of some >things he can't control(ie., the media, MTV, pouser fakes, etc.). Give him >a chance as a person, if not a singer. > Sure, but it seems to me that Eddie has made several personal choices that thrust him further into the spotlight, not away. He loves to spout his personal views on social concerns in the middle of a concert. We all know he is pro-choice - he wrote it on his arm in magic marker during their MTV unplugged appearance. Showing up to the grammys and insulting the award was a surefire way to get media attention. These types of things push me away from his music, and are one of the reasons I'm not the PJ fan that I was four years ago. Nate ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 2 Apr 1996 DW> One last time: DW> I don't hate preppies. I don't hate preppeis either, but some of them (I'm stereotyping now, so shoot me), in my school anyway, were the jocks (again, I'm stereotyping) and they were the "I'm cool, I get all the women, and you better not get in my way or I'll kick your ass" kinda people. They treated the women like shit, but yet the girls just kept going back. I don't understand it. But anyway, they were running on all attitude, and I was running on being a loser. Now I realize, I was the cool one, because I was the loser, who just happened to be different and did my own thing. DW> I don't hate rich people. But some of them annoy me when they roll around in their Benzos and pretend they have the right to do whatever they want, even though they've never lived here, and they're just visiting for a week. Sorry, but I live in a VERY tourist concentrated area, and it gets annoying. I don't hate all the rich people, just the ones who think they can do whatever they want since they're rich. DW> I do hate people who switch clothes/hair/music/ways of life DW>at the drop of a hat, just so they'll be cool according to DW>MTV. Now these people are the worst. I know so many people (girls especially) who, just a few tears ago, decided that they should be skaters and wear baggy cordouroy pants and tight weird colored shirts, and tons of make up and chains and shit like that. And they would NEVER even think of associating with me, or even the more radical looking ones. But now that they've changed, they won't associate with me now, because I'M the faker. Like they've been that way since they were born or something. I can't stand it. It just pisses me off. And they all of a sudden love NIN and Soundgarden, and I'M the one who jumped on the bandwagon. Oh well, maybe someday I'll think of something to do with a gun. Having a Shitty Life, Nothingman -Sometimes, when I look in your eyes I see your soul. ------------------------------ From: dao5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 1 Apr 1996 > 1. ultramega OK (an ultramega disappointment after listening to bmf and su > so much) >>No way!!!!!!!! You mean Beyond the Wheel doesn't send chills racing >>through your body? The riff doesn't make you absolutely afraid of your >>cd player? Open your good eye! Ultramega OK rocks!!!!! Hell, it was on >>SST and nominated for a (some big award)! How many records fill both of >>those shoes? and hey, everything on SST rocked! Beyond the wheel sounds like the coming of the apocalypse. Cold bitch is fairly frightning to. -Clown > here's my point. 1. the album is poorly mixed, unarguably. sst even >thought it was. 2. there's a lousy blues cover on that album, that early >sg should never have done (what they're capable of now is a different >story.) zeppelin should have put a "do not try this in your garage" >sticker on physical graffiti. 3. i do not hate the album. i just think >that it was a disappointment to hear after hearing what they're like now. >maybe i had skewed expectations, but whatever. the album has potential, >and is interesting to hear now. SmokesStack Ligntning is incredible, how can you say that blues cover isn't that good? -Clown ------------------------------ From: dao5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Beyond the Wheel To whomever cares, I deceided to solve this argument about Beyond The Wheel. Go and listen to the live version of beyond the wheel, from the superunknown tour. It's fucking awesome, chris's voice is better. and the muscianship is awesome. Then go back and listen to beyond the wheel, from ultramega ok. Then you will appreciate it. -Clown ------------------------------ From: dwy2@po.cwru.edu (Bu Shi Bai Ren) Subject: clarification part 2 >From: jk99@cityscape.co.uk (Chris Lawrence) >Subject: Re: README > >>First of all, Times of trouble is BETTER than footsteps by far. The >>urban legend I purport as truth is that Eddie was jeolous his boys were >>giving music to cornell and had to record his own version (that sucked), >>he new it and released it as a b-side. >> >Wait a sec, I was under the impression that Footsteps was on the original >Demo that Eddie put together for Pearl Jam, since it's part of his trilogy, >meaning that Footsteps preceeds Times of Trouble. This aside, I cannot >believe this story since it doesn't make sense for Eddie to feel jealous of >anything other members of the band do, least of all when it happens before >Pearl Jam was even born. Anyway, that's my piece said... Thanks for your time. > > Matt To whoever sent README, A1) You spell "jeolous" as "jealous". B1) You spell "new" as "knew". C1) If you knew anything about grammar (ie., spelling, run-on sentences, etc.), or the history of PJ, or the history of Temple of the Dog, MAYBE you would have a valid argument that people would consider believing. Obviously, such is not the case. C2) To those not well-versed in PJ's history; When Jack Irons sent Eddie the tape marked STONE GOSSARD DEMOS '91 by the band then known as Mookie Blaylock, he wrote Mamasan. This 3-song mini-opera included Alive, Once, and FOOTSTEPS. Two weeks later, Ament and Gossard flew Eddie up to Seattle, where he arrived with 5 new songs, including "Black". A week later they were renamed Pearl Jam. After a few club dates, PJ signed with Epic Records. At the same time that they were being signed, Temple was being recorded. Thus, "Times of Trouble" came what?--a couple MONTHS after Eddie had already written "Footsteps" with Stone's demo tape? Well guess what, buddy? Recorded history just blew your little theory out of the water, didn't it? C3) To anyone out there who is still skeptical about the seniority of Footsteps, check out PJ on the Rockline radio show (October 1993). A caller specifically asks which of the two songs was written first. Take a leaping guess what Jeff Ament said. That's right!--Footsteps!! How about that? Gee whiz--Jeff Ament. I know he's a member of the band, but I don't know--I think he's lying. Yeah, he doesn't know what he's talking about. I think "Times..." came first. Yeah, right. As they say; SMOKE ANOTHER. So I guess "the urban legend you purport as truth" is, well, WRONG. Thanks for playing, but we'll try again later, won't we? If you don't like Eddie/PJ/Footsteps, that's OK. Everyone has their own opinions. But don't try to justify your tastes with contrived half-truths (or in this case, zero-truths). No one is claiming "Times..." sucks, so settle down there, buster. Any other thoughts from anyone? See ya, Dun - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------- "Cretins! Fools! You will learn to your eternal horror the folly of challenging me! I possess weapons of such terrible power as to beggar your pathetic imaginations! But even your blatant stupidity does not suprise me, for only the most abysmal ignorance could excuse such unbelievable effrontery!" -- Dun-Wei, in response to those other guys. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: shirtless AS> Soundgarden content: Chris has said in many AS>interviews, that he does not think of himself as a sex symbol, and does not AS>want people to think about him that way. Yet, in a lot of photos,and AS>videos he's shirtless, when the rest of the band is not. If he AS>doesn't want people to think of him that way, why does he do something AS>that will encourage it? Maybe the same reason Eddie does things that will cause media stir, when he says he doesn't want it? Maybe he's just hot (as in temperature, not as in bothered). Besides, if you had a chest and stomach like that, wouldn't you wanna show it? I'm sure he worked hard on that, and for what? To put a shirt over it? Nope. And I've heard that he keeps his shirt on a concerts a lot lately. Nothingman -Have you ever seen Chris without a goatee after Loud Love? ------------------------------ From: Ross Filipek Subject: Re: Beyond the Wheel That's just what I was going to say. The _UOK_ recording pales in comparison to *any* live performance of "Beyond the Wheel." Ross On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, ClownWithBazooka wrote: > To whomever cares, > I deceided to solve this argument about Beyond The Wheel. Go and listen to > the live version of beyond the wheel, from the superunknown tour. It's > fucking awesome, chris's voice is better. and the muscianship is awesome. > Then go back and listen to beyond the wheel, from ultramega ok. Then you > will appreciate it. > -Clown > > "But in your heart I'd freeze." --C. Cornell ------------------------------ From: Heather Aston Subject: Is anyone from New Jersey? How many people on this list are from New Jersey? Does anyone live near New Brunswick, or Morristown? Soundgarden content: Chris has said in many interviews, that he does not think of himself as a sex symbol, and does not want people to think about him that way. Yet, in a lot of photos,and videos he's shirtless, when the rest of the band is not. If he doesn't want people to think of him that way, why does he do something that will encourage it? ------------------------------ Subject: DOTU on vinyl From: seth Anyone want to back this up? - ------- Forwarded Message Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 19:19:44 -0500 From: "John Sakamoto" Hi. This may be old news to you, but I have it from A&M that the new Soundgarden album will be released on VINYL one week prior to the May 21 date. John Sakamoto (sakamoto@canoe.ca) - ------- End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------ From: ansel@morgan.com Subject: Re: DOTU on vinyl I don't doubt it. PJ's 'VS' was released one week early on vinyl (any sold very successfully -- about 100,000 copies). Vikki ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Author: seth at nylanr01 Anyone want to back this up? Forwarded Message From: "John Sakamoto" Hi. This may be old news to you, but I have it from A&M that the new Soundgarden album will be released on VINYL one week prior to the May 21 date. ------------------------------ From: ansel@morgan.com Subject: Re: DOTU on vinyl Yes, without a doubt. I just called the New York sales department of A&M Records and they confirmed that DOTU will be released on vinyl Tuesday, May 14th! Vikki ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: DOTU on vinyl Author: seth at nylanr01 Date: 4/2/96 4:32 PM Anyone want to back this up? - ------- Forwarded Message Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 19:19:44 -0500 From: "John Sakamoto" Hi. This may be old news to you, but I have it from A&M that the new Soundgarden album will be released on VINYL one week prior to the May 21 date. John Sakamoto (sakamoto@canoe.ca) - ------- End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------ From: ansel@morgan.com Subject: More Release Date Info A&M's International sales department tentatively expects the DOTU vinyl to be released May 14 worldwide, but also expects the CD to be released in Europe/Australia the second week in May. Apparently, May 21 is only the U.S. CD release date. Idunnowhy. I guess for the same reason they release bonus tracks more frequently on international releases than on domestic ones. Hmmm? Vikki ------------------------------ From: MEATBALLLL@aol.com Subject: Re: i read it wrong is bmf/somms a valuable item? i have one, and i'm wondering if i should treasure it more than my other sg cd's. Meatballll ------------------------------ From: ansel@morgan.com Subject: Re: Chris Covered Radiohead? SGKOTS replied to my inquiry re: the Radiohead print ad in the Village Voice with the following simple-but-it-says-it response: In a message dated 96-04-01 13:09:03 EST, you write: When did Chris cover a Radiohead tune? False advertising? False. ------------------------------ From: MAYOR McCHEESE Subject: Re: clarification part 2 On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, Bu Shi Bai Ren wrote: > To whoever sent README, I, Mayor McCheese sent it. > > A1) You spell "jeolous" as "jealous". > B1) You spell "new" as "knew". > C1) If you knew anything about grammar (ie., spelling, run-on > sentences, etc.), or the history of PJ, or the history of Temple of the Dog, > MAYBE you would have a valid argument that people would consider believing. > Obviously, such is not the case. Sorry if my posts don't go through your well contrived three draft system. I will have to hire an editor. Until then the truth lies not in grammer alone, the point of the message contains it's truth. However, if I was writing a feasibility study for some computer program, I would correct my grammer and spelling. Anyways, it looks like in your blind rage towards myself that you did get the basic premise of my post. > Stone's demo tape? Well guess what, buddy? Recorded history just blew your > little theory out of the water, didn't it? Thank you for setting me straight. Next time realize I post alot of this half jokingly. I don't hate Eddy that much. Please, don't be as Asshole to other members of this list. I won't take offense this time. > Yeah, right. As they say; SMOKE ANOTHER. > > So I guess "the urban legend you purport as truth" is, well, WRONG. > > Thanks for playing, but we'll try again later, won't we? > > If you don't like Eddie/PJ/Footsteps, that's OK. Everyone has their own > opinions. But don't try to justify your tastes with contrived half-truths > (or in this case, zero-truths). > > No one is claiming "Times..." sucks, so settle down there, buster. As I said before, I was joking along in my posts. I guess my sunny disposition isn't appreciated. Please delete posts from "Mayor McCheese" from now on Dun. It will make your life easier to stand. > > Any other thoughts from anyone? Settle yourself down, buster. I hope your sig (below) is a joke or I'm in for it. -Mayor McCheese > "Cretins! Fools! You will learn to your eternal horror the folly of > challenging me! I possess weapons of such terrible power as to beggar your > pathetic imaginations! But even your blatant stupidity does not suprise me, > for only the most abysmal ignorance could excuse such unbelievable > effrontery!" -- Dun-Wei, in response to those other guys. > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX "McBurger, McFries, McCoke, McNow!" -McCheese in drivethrough at McDonalds's **By receiving this letter you can join the OFFICIAL MAYOR McCHEESE SOUNDGARDEN CAMPING EXTRAVAGANZA in Detroit Lakes, Minnesota now by replying to this letter with thesubject: CAMPING TRIP! Or type f beyera@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu for info on how you can join!*** ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: Shirtless > Chris has said in many >interviews, that he does not think of himself as a sex symbol, and does not >want people to think about him that way. Yet, in a lot of photos,and >videos he's shirtless, when the rest of the band is not. If he >doesn't want people to think of him that way, why does he do something >that will encourage it? I've often wondered about that before... but who am I to question Chris if he wants to run around half naked? I just count my blessings when he does. Actually, I think he's mellowing with age, or else he's realizing that he's kinda-in-way-but-not-really pulling an Eddie Vedder when he says he's not a sex symbol and doesn't want to be one... but he's showing us his sexy body anyway. Provoking people and then whining about it is not good. Not that I would ever accuse Chris of whining, of course. Y'know... he really doesn't take his shirt off that often anymore. Although I'm hoping that when they play the TX date, it's gonna be so hot and humid he'll pass out if he doesn't. I'm so nice... Ummm... wow... I just read Nothingman's post about this, and he said everything I was gonna say. Hmmm... NM and I think on the same level? Scary. Must be the drugs. Except: NM>-Have you ever seen Chris without a goatee after Loud Love? Maybe it was just different drugs (sorry NM... I don't do crack)... but I think that during the video for JCP, when the guys are all hanging upside down... Chris doesn't have any fuzzies. Can anyone back me up here? Someone dig out the damn video and watch it again. BTW... for anyone who indulges in mental distortion... isn't that one of the best videos to watch while you're... uh... distorting? I swear... everytime I see it... when Chris is reaching out towards the camera, I could swear he's coming through my TV. And when he's driving that chisel into the screen... weird. But oh-so cool. Shroom ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... *** Chris Cornell ------------------------------ From: Peter_Cabral@brown.edu (Peter Cabral) Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Tuesday, 2 Apr 1996 >Ultramega Ok was one of those albums that I buy, listen to (I mean >fast-forwarding to the beginning of each song to see if it catches my >ear), and then put away. that's exactly what i did with it, and i put it away as well. but i've been giving it new chances now. > Temple of the Dog is probably the most played, but that's not >the point. amen. temple of the dog is part of my dorm's vocabulary now. i've had people threaten me that if they hear say hello 2 heaven one more time, that i'm going to say hello to heaven. >But it's more bluesy, and less refined, and even a bit darker, in some >aspects. But Mood for Trouble was one that grabbed me, because of the >acoustic at the beginning, and then it turns into Chris screaming for >his life, or something to that effect. The other song that grabbed me >was All Your Lies. It's the chorus that I love. i like the chorus to 'all your lies' as well! one other great aspect is that 'he didn't' is in 10/8. i'll tell you, rhythmic creativity is a dying art these days, and sg is one of the only bands keeping it alive. just wondering, does anyone else notice that songs that are in 3 or 6 are really easy to like right away? like seasons. i listened to it for the first time a couple of weeks ago, and listened to it a second time right afterwards. and a third time. cuz it's got triplets! triplets are cool! or 'elderly woman buttering her bread and fly fishing in a small town' (i forget the actual name) from vs. i love that song! it's got triplets. and 'say hello 2heaven'? triplets. i think chris cornell may look at 4/4 as "been there, done that. i'm chris cornell, not spacehog. let me write something that kicks ass." and it works *every time*. portrait of the artis as a young spoonman. ------------------------------ From: "Steven Russell Jr." Subject: #somms now open Hey the IRC channel #somms on undernet.org is now open with the header _Down on the Upside_. Who else is bored? :-) - -- Steve - - swr@acsu.buffalo.edu - - http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~swr - - SG Web Alliance ------------------------------ From: Cornell Subject: Re: Shirtless At 08:33 PM 4/2/96 -0500, ShRooMGrLz@aol.com wrote: >> Chris has said in many >>interviews, that he does not think of himself as a sex symbol, and does not >>want people to think about him that way. Yet, in a lot of photos,and >>videos he's shirtless, when the rest of the band is not. If he >>doesn't want people to think of him that way, why does he do something >>that will encourage it? > Well, it's like when you feel good about something, or when you're good at a sport or music or whatever, you like to do it and play the sport in front of people and show them you're good...kind of an ego trip, right? CC prob just feels good about the shape he keeps his body in, so he doesn't mind not having a shirt on. Plus, it gets f*cking HOT! The stage lights seem like they can melt you sometimes. Gregg _________________________________________ | | "Don't come over here and piss on my | Check out my *NEW* homepages! | gate. Save it just keep it off My | Goto: http://www.cybercomm.net/~melusk2 | Wave"--Soundgarden | | |____________melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net___| "It's a shame when a contest of talent is turned into a popularity contest, and the best act doesn't win....so much for integrity, justice and all that bullshit." ------------------------------ From: Cornell Subject: Re: Is anyone from New Jersey? At 03:17 PM 4/2/96 EST, Heather Aston wrote: >How many people on this list are from New Jersey? Does anyone live near New >Brunswick, or Morristown? I live in Toms River!! You know, the place with the cancer and the psycho buttnuggets who kill people for crappy little cars. Gregg _________________________________________ | | "Don't come over here and piss on my | Check out my *NEW* homepages! | gate. Save it just keep it off My | Goto: http://www.cybercomm.net/~melusk2 | Wave"--Soundgarden | | |____________melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net___| "It's a shame when a contest of talent is turned into a popularity contest, and the best act doesn't win....so much for integrity, justice and all that bullshit." ------------------------------ From: Cornell Subject: Re: heres a useless thread >14. an acoustic Fell on Black Days (I can hope) I play an Acoustic FObD quite often! It rocks! ('Cept I don't know the guitar part right after "Hands are for shaking, no, not tying....not tying...." Can anyone help me out there?) Gregg _________________________________________ | | "Don't come over here and piss on my | Check out my *NEW* homepages! | gate. Save it just keep it off My | Goto: http://www.cybercomm.net/~melusk2 | Wave"--Soundgarden | | |____________melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net___| "It's a shame when a contest of talent is turned into a popularity contest, and the best act doesn't win....so much for integrity, justice and all that bullshit." ------------------------------ From: Cornell Subject: Christi! MAN I HOPE I WISH THEY AT LEAST PUT CHRISTI AS A B-SIDE CAUSE I LOVE THAT SONG AND THE VERSION FROM READING ISN'T CLEAR AND I WANT IT BUT IT'S NOT ON THE ALBUM HELP ME!!! Arrrgghhh! Sorry about that. It better be a b-side, tho. If not, I'm going to give the 4 of them the biggest ass-whupping they've ever had. At one time. Gregg --well, prolly not. _________________________________________ | | "Don't come over here and piss on my | Check out my *NEW* homepages! | gate. Save it just keep it off My | Goto: http://www.cybercomm.net/~melusk2 | Wave"--Soundgarden | | |____________melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net___| "It's a shame when a contest of talent is turned into a popularity contest, and the best act doesn't win....so much for integrity, justice and all that bullshit." ------------------------------ From: Cornell Subject: Chain letters! We don't need no steeking chain letters! This is NOT a chain letter. One day I was sitting at my computer, with a bunch of SG tunes rambling through my head, when a thought hit me. I realized it was probably a great idea! It will make people infinitely happy! (well, mostly me). and Here's what it is: Everyone who receives this letter sends all of their Soundgarden rarities to me. This includes bootlegs, b-sides, demos, the whole nine. Then, they forward the letter to 20 of their closest friends, this time adding a group of their choice to the header. (i.e. 1. SG 2. SG & NIN for the second tier 3. SG, NIN, & Mad Season for the third tier and so on...) This way I become the man with the largest music collection on Earth! Okay, okay, you're probably saying "Hey Gregg, what's in it for me?" and I say "Absolutely NOTHING! But you will feel GOOD!" Thank you, Gregg (Just kidding....if you wanna send me some boots tho, feel free to tell me!) :P _________________________________________ | | "Don't come over here and piss on my | Check out my *NEW* homepages! | gate. Save it just keep it off My | Goto: http://www.cybercomm.net/~melusk2 | Wave"--Soundgarden | | |____________melusk2@crow.cybercomm.net___| "It's a shame when a contest of talent is turned into a popularity contest, and the best act doesn't win....so much for integrity, justice and all that bullshit." ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 83] ***************************************