From: somms@mit.edu To: somms-digest@mit.edu Subject: Soundgarden Digest, Monday, 1 Apr 1996 Reply-To: somms@mit.edu Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 02:27:08 EST Sender: saperl The Soundgarden Digest: Monday, 1 Apr 1996 listadmin: saperl@mit.edu list archive: http://www.sgi.net/soundgarden/archive/ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: email saperl@mit.edu Today's Topics: READ THIS height Re: Talk of Soundgarden on the radio... Re: height Re: SG/PJ Re: SG/PJ Fire a loaded mental cannon... Re: NOT Heavy Rotation.(What SG's Longest playing shirt shit Re: height height shirts shipping. Lollapalooza dates hmmm. Re: talent Re: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 30 Mar 1996 Important News (non-Sg Related) Re: hmmm. SST-Rocks! Rancid is pretty cool Pretty Noose... KC-Lolla Re: Help? Re: about Ben... a real feeling Re: Help? hands are for shaking... artificial soundgarden... building the towers... Re: hmmm. i have a copy of.... ;) Re: hmmm. Re: Almost Live/The Lame List ------------------------------------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: READ THIS BE>Keep in mind that the last Soundgarden list that was started only BE>lasted ONE article and then died. Please don't let that happen. BE>(Don't worry about that seth!!!!!!!!!!) Yeah, we've got Nothingman backing us up! Nothingman -Oops. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: height SH>>*Fun Fact: Calvin Klein tried to get Eddie to be an underwear model like SH>>Marky Mark. SH>>I just had to laugh. SH> I'd laugh if I saw Eddie in his underwear. He's not exactly my idea of SH>a stud. The man has to be all of what... 5'8"? Maybe 5'9", but that's SH>pushing it. But CHRIS on the other hand... he'd make a mouth-watering SH>underwear model. Mmmm... ok... I'll shut up now... Heheheh... I heard Chris isn't all that tall either. Like 5' 10" or something. I always imagined him 6' or maybe an inch or two taller. I dunno, though. Anyone know how tall he is? Come on, Shroom, you know this one! You have to. Nothingman -Now you're my substitute teacher. ------------------------------ From: DEFsonic Subject: Re: Talk of Soundgarden on the radio... On Sun, 31 Mar 1996, John Grieves wrote: > Yesterday (Saturday) on Triple J, Australia's "Youth" radio network, Richard > Kingsmill started saying how he had in his possession one very fine piece of > cassette - yes, over a month before it's due to be released here in > Australia, Richard Kingsmill has actually listened to Soundgarden's new > album, Down on the Upside as he called it, in its entirity. > > He wasn't revealing anything that we didn't already know about it - the most > indepth talk about the album was that it has the track Ty Cobb on it and > that it is even better than Superunknown, which according to me means that > we're in for one hell of an album... > > So I expect the guy to AT LEAST play us a track off his cassette - I rip > open a blank cassette, throw it in the cassette deck and get ready for the > record button when he says... Hahah :) I did the same thing tonight :) Sunday night...listening to the new music 1996 show, Heard Soundgardens new album Down on the upside annonced and i flew over to the tape deck ready to hit record. Then all the Dj says is, I have heard it all, and its one damn fine album. AAARRRRRGGGHHH why why oh why do we get tempted like that :) Oh well makes us wait util the proper release date with no idea what the new songs sound like so it's going to be one hell of a suprise! And I trust Richard's (DJ) choice in music cause it usally is very good, so if he say's it's one damn fine album you can bet we are in for one HELL OF AN AWESOME ALBUM! > > > Now, if Richard Kingsmill has a copy of the cassette, I'd be thinking that > so must someone else? Anyone heard of any "underground" copies of the album > floating around? I agree, wants press(promo) copies go out, someone somewhere gets ahold of them. So out there in this world a few ppl have the album, It's up to us to hunt them down so we can hear it, or at least get them to post a proper review! > PS. To all Australians out there - thank heavens daylight savings is over!!! > Talk about killing nature with South Australia being ahead of Queensland. Yeah, and JJJ will not be deleyed any longer (about time!) Stupid farmers up here..geez vote against Daylight savings cause they think it'll fade curtains or they miss the news! Oh well no help for stupidity (too bad QLD seems to have alot of it out west) seeya _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ Sonic Turn IT up and PLAY it LOUD, let the blood rush to your head. Sonic mail: ar303921@student.uq.edu.au ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: height >I heard Chris isn't all that tall either. Like 5' 10" or something. I >always imagined him 6' or maybe an inch or two taller. I dunno, >though. Anyone know how tall he is? Come on, Shroom, you know this >one! You have to. Chris isn't all that tall? Are you insane? If Chris is only 5'10", then Eddie Vedder must be a certifiable midget. I'm 5'9", so I'm assuming (although I've never stood next to the man YET) that CC is at least 6'1". Foreshocks said she read that's he's like 6'2" or something. That sounds about right. If anyone knows for sure (HINT HINT DEB!!!!) then please post to the list. Thank yew and good night... Shroom - - Peace, Love, and Waterbeds... ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... *** Chris Cornell ------------------------------ From: ShRooMGrLz@aol.com Subject: Re: SG/PJ >>I'd laugh if I saw Eddie in his underwear. He's not exactly my idea of >> a stud. The man has to be all of what... 5'8"? Maybe 5'9", but that's >> pushing it. But CHRIS on the other hand... he'd make a mouth-watering >> underwear model. Mmmm... ok... I'll shut up now... Heheheh... >> >Hey who said 5'9 was short !!! Ummm... gee, I believe I did!! I'm 5'9", so therefore I consider a guy my height (or less) short. Just my personal opinion... >It seems like you guys are the whiny bastards not Eddie. Hmmm... oh yah... my mistake!! I'm the one constantly bitching about everything!! I'm the one who bared my soul to the world in my songs and then got all pissy about being considered a god. Seriously though... if Eddie gets off to whining... more power to him. If that's his thing... well, I guess he's got alot in common with my great aunt Charlotte. Maybe they should meet!! >And another thing he said the right thing at the grammys. Yah... you're probably the same way about Eddie as I am about Chris. Eddie could have gotten on the stage and proudly announced "I'm Eddie Vedder, and I love to eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches!!", and you would have thought it was the most profound statement ever uttered. Don't worry... I feel your pain. BTW... about all this talk of Jason Everman... first I hear he's in the army... next I hear he's in a band... which is it? Both? Neither? Shroom - - Peace, Love, and Waterbeds... ***I made ya get down on your hands and knees... *** Chris Cornell ------------------------------ From: DEFsonic Subject: Re: SG/PJ On Sun, 31 Mar 1996 ShRooMGrLz@aol.com wrote: > >>I'd laugh if I saw Eddie in his underwear. He's not exactly my idea of > >> a stud. The man has to be all of what... 5'8"? Maybe 5'9", but that's > >> pushing it. But CHRIS on the other hand... he'd make a mouth-watering > >> underwear model. Mmmm... ok... I'll shut up now... Heheheh... > >> > >Hey who said 5'9 was short !!! > > Ummm... gee, I believe I did!! I'm 5'9", so therefore I consider a guy > my height (or less) short. Just my personal opinion... Hmm don't know about feet and inches that much any more (been along time since I lived in the US) But when we met Eddie (yeah we did, and I won't go into details here) BUt to say I consider myself adverage height for guys (178cm), and geez was Eddie short compared to me, he really is small. As for Chris from looking at him you would think he is fairly tall oh ummm I did a nothingman....nothing at all about SG...ummm oh well delete this message. _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ Sonic Turn IT up and PLAY it LOUD, let the blood rush to your head. Sonic mail: ar303921@student.uq.edu.au ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Fire a loaded mental cannon... DO>Also... stuff I'm curious to hear from DOTU... DO>Blow Up The Outside World DO>Never The Machine Forever Blow Up the Outside World world sounds like it'll be a bone crunching, teeth grinding, LOUD song. I can't wait. And Never the Machine Forever was supposedly written by Kim (just lyrics, or music too?) and I loved Room a Thousand Years Wide. Kim writes good music. Heavy, but very clean and polished (it seems, anyway). His riffs are just freakin' awesome, and usually fairly simple, compaired to some of the weird tunings that Chris and Ben use. Well, anyway, I guess I'll give my reasons why I don't want the album to come out: 5. I'm broke, so I'll have to hold up the local Camalot store, which just happens to be in the middle of a mall, which just happens to ALWAYS have security people running around. So I could just wait a few weeks until it gets to K-Mart, where I could basically just pick it up and walk out and nobody would notice, but I'd get sick of waiting, and I'd kill someone who already has it. See Shroom's #2 for the rest. 4. I don't have a watch to tell me what day it is, so I'll forget, and that'll suck. 3. On May 21, I'll run down to the local CD store (an hour away) and they'll tell me they postponed the date until tomorrow, but they just happen to be playing it in the store, so I demand to buy the album that they are playing, and they laugh at me, and I kill them. See Shroom's #2 again. 2. If the album comes out, I'll be forced to post something relevant to the list, when I'd much rather write stuff about Pearl Jam, and read chain letters. Drum roll please... 1. If the new album comes out, I'll have to take Mariah Carey out of my CD player, and that would just be wrong. Nothingman -I've decided, Micheal Jackson is my new hero. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: NOT Heavy Rotation.(What SG's Longest playing JG>Can anyone tell JG>me which song is Sg longest Playing? I would have to say the Slaves and Bulldozers on Motorvision. It's about 11 minutes long. But if mean just off of their regular album releases, I dunno. Probably the New Damage that skips all night if I let it. ;) Soundgarden don't really have extra long songs like some bands have. Like Dream Theatre...geez, the people on their list are probably wondering what their shortest song is. Nothingman -Soundgarden's shortest? How about 30 Seconds of Silence by John? ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: shirt shit I went to check about the prices on Friday, and the guy who makes the shirt's daughter was there. Apperantly something happened to the guy (got sick or something) and he can't work until Thursday. She said I could give her the design and she would get me prices as fast as she can. Unfortunately, the design wasn't in the format she uses, and since she has the old windows, and I know nothing about it, I had to take it home to change it, and it's all confusing. But I changed the thing, so she can use it (don't worry, it's still the SAME design, I didn't alter the picture in any way). But the place is closed today, so I'll have to wait till tomorrow to give it to her. But I will have definate prices by the end of the week. I already got the shipping prices. Sorry...I wanted the shirt by now, too, but after this long, I don't think a few days is much, right? Nothingman -"NO! DEATH TO NOTHINGMAN! HERETIC! BURN!" ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: height SH> Chris isn't all that tall? Are you insane? If Chris is only 5'10", SH>then Eddie Vedder must be a certifiable midget. I'm 5'9", so I'm assuming SH>(although I've never stood next to the man YET) that CC is at least 6'1". SH> Foreshocks said she read that's he's like 6'2" or something. That sounds SH>about right. If anyone knows for sure (HINT HINT DEB!!!!) then please post SH>to the list. Thank yew and good night... Ben is the tallest in the band, and he is (I'm not sure, but it keeps popping in my head) 6' 3" or 2" or something. But he is a lot taller than the rest of the band, so I was just guessing that Chris is 5' 10". I just looked at the poster on my wall (and Chris is still laughing at me) and his and Ben's heads are even. But Ben seems a bit scrunched over, and Chris is leaning to the side. I guess Kim is the shortest, because he's the only one that's not really slouching or leaning a lot, and his head is the lowest. But it could be one of those things like me...me and a friend are equal height sitting down, but when we stand up, I'm about 5" taller. Don't mind me, it's the crack talking. Nothingman -I wish my hair would mess up like Mr. Cornell's. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: height FO>Chris is 6'1+". WOW! I'm 6' 1"! Nothingman -Another useless, and utterly stupid thing that I can relate. ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: shirts shipping. It just occured to me that some people might be getting the wrong idea about prices. The under ten dollars price didn't include shipping and handling, which is still a very good price for custom made shirts. Shipping inside the US will be about $3, which is priority mail. Priority mail isn't too much more than regular shipping, it's a lot faster, and I get free envelopes with it. For Australia, the price will be about $7.05-$8.15, depending on the weight of a shirt. I will get exact prices when I get exact prices for the shirt. But do you people (outside the US) want priority mail or something like fourth class? Do you want faster, or cheaper? For the people in England (and probably the rest of Europe), the shipping will be about $5.25-$6.35. Sending to Mexico is pretty cheap. $2.40-$2.80. Canada is about the same. THESE ARE JUST THE SHIPPING PRICES. People outside the US, send me (or the list, whichever you see fit) some ideas, so I know whether you want faster, or cheaper. It's up to you, and I'll take the majority. I guess the US people can do the same, but $3 isn't bad for priority mail and free envelopes. If you want cheaper, too, let me know. Remember, THESE ARE JUST SHIPPING PRICES! Nothingman -I wonder why he's been shaking? ------------------------------ From: foreshocks@bbs.cowland.com Subject: Lollapalooza dates Help.. if someone can help me, please do.. I hear that there's a couple of problems with two Lolla dates.. they canceled the Saugerties one.. :( and the one that was scheduled for Bryan, TX Speedway, I've heard that there IS no Bryan speedway, so does anyone know what's going on? if there's gonna be a Lolla in TX and if they're rescheduling the Saugerties date for someplace in New York (saratoga.. HEhaehaEHHAEHAEHAEAE) anyway if anyone has any info I'd gladly appreciate it.. and what's this I hear about tickets going on sale? Does anyone know what dates are going on sale tomorrow? foreshocks ------------------------------ From: Peter_Cabral@brown.edu (Peter Cabral) Subject: hmmm. hola. as far the cd's on or near my cd player (actually, i play mine on my rich-ass roomate's, because his has a remote. ha!) 1. ultramega OK (an ultramega disappointment after listening to bmf and su so much) 2. temple of the dog (the most *musical* rock album i've ever heard by a country mile) 3. songs from the...(i was very impressed with the live ls! i *still* am not crazy over the video fell on black days.) 4. jeff buckley-grace (kudos to the person who compared jb's voice with chris cornell's. great album, and i think it would boot tha ass if sg covered two of the songs of of this. i heard a rumor that jb and soundgarden were buds...) 5. brahms-violin sonatas (my first great love. how i started listening to rock was another story. purely passionate without the lyrics to argue over.) 6. bach-glenn gould-piano concertos (now this is what eddie vedder really wants to be. hypochondriac, introvert, pure musician. two out of three ain't bad, edward.) 7. houses of the holy (now it just so happens that when i first heard the day i tried to live, i was ultra impressed (as i am always) with the fact that it was in such on odd meter! isn't it in alternating 7/8 - 3/4? i'd only heard that kind of shit in classical pieces. and after hearing all the other odd metered songs that appear on sg albums or totd, i was ready to hold a parade for sg's compositional merit. not to knock sg, but i then heard the ocean, which has the reverse of the day's meter, and well...i'm not the greatest zep fan, but they did have their shit together.) 8. Tommy Flanagan-something borrowed, something blue--great jazz album, all across the board. 9. public enemy-fear of a black planet. i like it. it's got balls. miscellany: dolores has a good voice, but doesn't know how to sing. as far the other singers mentioned, emotion only goes so far. truthfully speaking, soundgarden is one of the *only* bands i like. i do enjoy older pj, and stp, and some sabbath, pat boone (just kidding), etc. as an amateur musician, i'll say that you have to have technique, because emotion and effect will pull the wool only so far. like mr. cobain or billy corgan or that joker from rancid: these guys should have shelled out their bucks and hired good singers for their bands instead of trying for the effect. if there's bad singing with a good tune (most of what nirvarner put out) then i'll sit there and wonder what the song would be like with chris cornell or jeff buckley singing it. this is precisely why now that i've heard sg's earlier stuff (i had the nerve to listen to the albums in reverse order. get out the iron maiden.) i was rather disappointed. not only were the progressions and the ideas more primitive, dare i say punk, but the singing was for the most part lousy. peter ps. courney love drives two volvos now. live through that! **************************************************************************** it's not the pete, it's the stupidity. **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Subject: Re: talent From: JADAMO61@MAINE.maine.edu First things first...I meant drummer, not guitarist when I was talking about Dave. ANd yes that's true that only the parties involved know what happened. And I feel that it's also true that Jack Irons is filling his position rather nicely. Some of the new stuff is indeed, kick-ass. But, in my opinion, Ten will never be topped...by any band. Just one man's opinion... JCP "Hit him again. Let's get his fat ass in shape." Michael Jordan, to Dennis Rodman, on Magic Johnson. ------------------------------ From: dao5@Lehigh.EDU (ClownWithBazooka) Subject: Re: Soundgarden Digest, Saturday, 30 Mar 1996 >You were all Gap wearing preppies laughing at the people you now hang >posters of on your wall. Eddie said that people who beat him up in school >are now asking him for autographs, and it makes him sick. I'm sick of >people buying Doc Martens/flannel/etc. cuz it's cool. Be original for once >in your pathetic LL Bean lives. >So think how Eddie feels: These Gappy little punks are in sense dirtying Uhh.. excuse me I am one of those LL Bean, J-Crew, Britches wearing people, I don't wear gap however. Yes I don't like Pearl Jam, there music just doesn't do it for me. Plus I am really sick of channel surfing and hearing about Eddie Vedder Jams with (insert random name here) plus the guy had a stretch of being on the cover of every major magazine(complaining about being famous). If your sick of being famous don't do interviews. Plus what the hell is that lettermen crap, oh yeah I forgot he hates being famous and Pearl Jam=Eddie Vedder. Thats what really annoys the hell out of me, there are other guys in the band. Anyway what clothes I wear has nothing to do with appreciating music. I didn't start listning to bands like SG, RATM, Kings X(which I have been listing to since 8th grade, I'm 20 now), Belly, Juliana Hatfield, Machines of Loving Grace, to be cool. If you really knew anything my popularity would be hurt before it was helped by listning to this music. I am constantly getting shit because I hate alannis, Joan Osborne, and hootie. As one of those LL Bean preppies I can tell you that, I wear what I wear because I like it. I am really not concerned what you or anyone else might think. I am not like my friends who listen to Alannis because it's supposedly good. I am not rushing to the TV to watch friends because it's the highest rated show. I appreciate in full the music I listen to, and I can not only name all of sg's albums I own them all. So in the future I would hope you won't jump to making snap judgements because of someones income level. There was a survey when the list first started on lyrical themes. I supplied alot of the quotes. So please don't tell me that because of my parents income level, I can't appreciate music. -Clown ------------------------------ From: Joco Agostinho Subject: Important News (non-Sg Related) Hi guys! I've got very interesting news (i wouldn't say interesting but outstanding out of this world news) for us lovers of the soundgarden sound and near sound. Well here it goes (for that of you that already know this shit i'm sorry): ALICE IN CHAINS ARE DOING AN MTV UNPLUGGED AT THE BROOKLYN ACADEMY IN THE 11TH OF APRIL. MAN ISN'T THIS THE BEST NEWS YOU EVER HEARD AFTER KNOWING WHEN DOTU COMES OUT. I know many of you dont like eMpTyV, but fuck it man is alice in chains UNPLUGGED and i guarante you that you wont see alice that way many times. Well i know that im going to pass away when i see that shit (i dont know when MTV will airplay it) . I JUST FUCKIN LOVE AIC. THEY FUCKIN RULE (AND SOUNDGARDEN TOO OFF COURSE). Well hope that i made your day. - -- "It's Vulgar Before Me" - Kevin Martin Keep in touch! C-ya!! -------------------------------------------- | | | Por/By: Joco Agostinho | | E-MAIL: mailto:joao.alex@mail.telepac.pt | | E-MAIL: mailto:a10752@alunos.ualg.pt | | URL: http://www.geopages.com/paris/3276 | | | | Olhco - Algarve - Portugal | | | -------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: He Who Walks Between Subject: Re: hmmm. On Sun, 31 Mar 1996, Peter Cabral wrote: > 1. ultramega OK (an ultramega disappointment after listening to bmf and su > so much) No way!!!!!!!! You mean Beyond the Wheel doesn't send chills racing through your body? The riff doesn't make you absolutely afraid of your cd player? Open your good eye! Ultramega OK rocks!!!!! Hell, it was on SST and nominated for a (some big award)! How many records fill both of those shoes? and hey, everything on SST rocked! > and effect will pull the wool only so far. like mr. cobain or billy corgan > or that joker from rancid: these guys should have shelled out their bucks > and hired good singers for their bands instead of trying for the effect. No way! As for the billy corgan experience, it would be impossible for anyone else to sing the songs the way he intends. And the fact that he can't go low is only a minor setback that he works around. Just like his bassist's lack of talent. The man is still a musical genius, even if he's not the perfect singer. and Nirvana? No way having something other than Kurt's raspy voice would have had the same effect. There's more to singing than talent. There needs to be EMOTION. And these people's emotion overcome their lack of talent. Now i think it is really silly of you to suggest that Rancid needs a real singer because that's exactly what the music they play stands against! Go back to the roots of punk. I'm not talking green day here, i'm talknig sex pistols. Think of their attitude. Would a real singer have worked for the sex pistols? NO!!!!!! OK. i've offended enoguh people here. Time to move on. > if there's bad singing with a good tune (most of what nirvarner put out) > then i'll sit there and wonder what the song would be like with chris > cornell or jeff buckley singing it. You must learn to forgive the world for not having as many Chris Cornells and Jeff Buckleys as there are bands. > this is precisely why now that i've heard sg's earlier stuff (i had the > nerve to listen to the albums in reverse order. get out the iron maiden.) Hey, i bought the albums i reverse order! (mostly, anyway) > i was rather disappointed. not only were the progressions and the ideas > more primitive, dare i say punk, but the singing was for the most part > lousy. Well duh! Don't you think a band is gonna grow with experience? Or would you rather have them stay the same their whole life? How could you honestly expect the first work of any musician to be as intricate and developed as his or her most recent work? Are you on crack like Nothing man? Ok, flame proof suit, here i come...... -j aka Chicka Jackeen, A Livein Thesu (Per Unkn Own). Boom biddy bye bye! ***************************************************************************** The Only Colloquialism Page i know of: http://www.unc.edu/~toybox/words.html "If there's one damn real alternative band left in this godless culture, it's Cracker" -U Magazine. ------------------------------ From: sean@ramoth.unl.edu (Sean McCarthy) Subject: SST-Rocks! Rancid is pretty cool Hey All-- Can't help but respond to the minor debate regarding early Soundgarden. I think the majority of the SST releases kicked ass! Look at the track record-Husker Du-Zen Arcade or New Day Rising, Minutemen-Double Nickles or 3 Way Tie, that was just a damn great label. For Rancid, at least they have the genuine attitudes of such great former punks as The Clash or Sex Pistols. Their musicianship.. well, don't expect Superunknown type structure. Look at the Ramones! They f%$&#$% rock! And basically, its the same guitar riffs the've used since their first album, but its the Ramones :) What else can you say. And I think I speak for all of us when I say...Get this month of April out of the way so May will come :) My thoughts Peace Sean ------------------------------ From: Eric Gardner Subject: Pretty Noose... ...has made it to the radio here in Scam Jose, Ca. The DJ was very accomodating of my request (it was 4am, why the hell wouldn't she be) so I managed to get it on tape. Only listened to it once so far, it is loud and slow and the background vocals during the chorus ("and I don't like what you got me hangin' from" - I think) sound different, maybe they turned Ben's mike up.:) I have decidely NON-musical ears, so take anything I say w/ a grain of salt. ------------------------------ From: sean@ramoth.unl.edu (Sean McCarthy) Subject: KC-Lolla Hey All- Anyone interested in drinking many brews(Boulevard) and catching SG in KC, let me know!. I want to go to Boulevard brewery and catch Lolla and make a caravan out of it :) Laters Peace Sean ------------------------------ From: MAYOR McCHEESE Subject: Re: Help? On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, seth wrote: > > > Buy it, buy it, buy it, buy it, buy it, buy it. I'd buy it for $10. > > They wanted $20 for the unopened CD here. You're never going to find it > > for that price. And it's got to be severely limited edition. > > > > > Hey, what is an unopened Flower Ep on vinyl (colored vinyl nonetheless) > > > worth? I can pick one up for $10. Is it a deal or no? > > I think this was mentioned a while ago (Steve, help me out here)... if > I remember correctly, SST is trying to earn some money since they haven't > been doing well recently and in order to do that they've started re- > releasing their back catalogue on colored vinyl. So, what you see looks > like an old limited edition, but is actually the *newest* release... > > Can someone back me up on this or am I talking out of my ass? > > seth > I did notice a round silver sticker on it that said "colored vinyl" and of course had flower, (can't remember) and toybox on it. I thought the european imports had the sticker on them. but hey . . . if it's a rerelease, I'm gonna forget about it. Later, The McCheese side of Sideways XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Jesus saves souls and redeems them for valuable cash prizes. **By receiving this letter you can join the OFFICIAL MAYOR McCHEESE SOUNDGARDEN CAMPING EXTRAVAGANZA in Detroit Lakes, Minnesota now by replying to this letter with thesubject: CAMPING TRIP! Or type f beyera@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu for info on how you can join!*** ------------------------------ From: MAYOR McCHEESE Subject: Re: about Ben... On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, He Who Walks Between wrote: > -McCheese, put that on your Ben Page. Well, as for right now, it looks like there will be no McCheese or Ben homepage :(! I actually was excited about the project but . . . everything fell apart because my school doesn't allow web pages (yet) and me and a couple of Computer Sci majors were illegally setting them up for ourselves and others. The Computer Center got wind, and well, nipped it in the bud. Until I can set up another false account on another school machine, I have nothing . . . "Sad McCheese" -The new Hater Song by Ben, sung by Matt XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Jesus saves souls and redeems them for valuable cash prizes. **By receiving this letter you can join the OFFICIAL MAYOR McCHEESE SOUNDGARDEN CAMPING EXTRAVAGANZA in Detroit Lakes, Minnesota now by replying to this letter with thesubject: CAMPING TRIP! Or type f beyera@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu for info on how you can join!*** ------------------------------ From: mike Subject: a real feeling I just listened to the new Stone temple Pilots and I realized that the feeling that I got hearing Nirvana's Nevermind or Soundgarden's BADMOTORFINGER or SUperunKNOwn, I can't find in today's new music the only band to sort of give me this feeling is OUR LADY PEACE. Alice in Chains used to be a good band up to DIRT and ever since they have had problems with Layne's drug problem the music has been written in studio. And if you know what I mean, writing comes from the soul, I know I'm a guitar player,and if you are forced to write. Then how the hell are you suppossed to express yourself or get across the feeling of you creativity, if you didn't have one in the first place. So now I have no more NIRVANA, no more ALICE IN CHAINS. So the only band left to give me back that wonderful feeling is Soundgarden. And fortunately they are still making good music. Don't get me wrong SIAMESE DREAM was a terrific album but the PUMPKINS lost their good arrangemented guitars after that. I don't want to have to settle for nothing that's why if an album doesn't give me more than a feeling right away. Then I'll have to start doing it myself. Thanks Mike16@aros.net Write me in regards. "I woke the same as any other day" "except a voice was in my head" "it said, seize the day, pull the trigger, drop the blade" "and watch the rolling heads" Now I might do it. ------------------------------ From: foreshocks@bbs.cowland.com Subject: Re: Help? BE>I did notice a round silver sticker on it that said "colored vinyl" and BE>of course had flower, (can't remember) and toybox on it. I thought the BE>european imports had the sticker on them. but hey . . . if it's a BE>rerelease, I'm gonna forget about it. Colored Soundgarden vinyl is colored Soundgarden vinyl.. I'd buy it if I had the $.. but I need to save up for Lolla, and Down On The Upside in every format I can get my hands on (tape for the car, CD for the house, record for the hell of it), and shirts, stickers for my car, hats, all that good shit.. I love Soundgarden merchandise :> But what I was gonna say was, I think that (can't remember) you were talking about is Head Injury, cause on the Flower CD single it goes Flower, Head Injury, Toy Box. dunno if the records the same.. I'm assuming it is The Queen of Useless Information, Foreshocks ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: hands are for shaking... I had the good fortune on the weekend to meet a guy in a record store who has met ben shepherd. he was recently in seattle, and was in a bar owned partly by ben (the ok hotel). he is a big fan of the band, but he didn't want to bug ben too much. after a while, ben came over to his table and asked if he could drink with him. they talked for an hour or something, and then they ended up playing pool. up till then ben was a fairly shy and quiet sort of guy, but he becomes a demon when he plays pool :) he starts punching walls and stuff. I can imagine him stalking around with a pool cue, snarling and spittin' :) anyway, I had a long talk with this guy (about soundgarden, mad season, alice in chains, hater and other stuff), and it turned out that he hadn't got the new album title or song titles, so I wrote them down for him. he seemed happy to let me hear the single if he gets a prerelease of it, and told me to come down again to talk more soundgarden. ps. I listened to the kyle petty on home alive, and I'm almost 100% sure that it is a different version to the bside release. not very different in that lyrics are changed or anything, but the guitars are kind of rearranged, and matt doesn't do one of the rolls I *know* should be there. joyride also sounds cool steve :) ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: artificial soundgarden... this is from addicted to noise. and just when you thought mad season couldn't get any better... 'pearl jam's mike mcready has already got some songs in the can for another mad season album - if that is what it is going to be called. before pj began recording their new opus, mccready and members of alice in chains (not layne staley), the screaming trees, and soundgarden logged some intense studio time to produce a new record. what's in question is whether they'll dub it a mad season project, or whether it will have a new name...' mark lanegan with layne staley was good. but how good would mark lanegan with chris cornell be? either way, no matter which combination of musicians it is, when you take from that group it *has* to be good :) btw, I read that mike mccready plays on the soon to be released screaming trees album. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: blind dog Subject: building the towers... On Sun, 31 Mar 1996, DEFsonic wrote: > Hahah :) I did the same thing tonight :) Sunday night...listening to the > new music 1996 show, Heard Soundgardens new album Down on the upside > annonced and i flew over to the tape deck ready to hit record. Then all > the Dj says is, I have heard it all, and its one damn fine album. when superunknown came out, jjj had it about a week before it was released in the stores, so they must have moved up in the world :) but they did play songs from it before the record came out, so we will get a taste of it sooner or later. I hope that soundgarden does another interview (unplugged session ala pumpkins?) with jjj, but not with richard kingsmill, because they just made fun of him and said no to just about every one of his questions the first time he interviewed them. just listen to 3 hours of' power, and the single might come up soon . if they can get premix tapes of burden in my hand down in mexico, then surely we can too? sort of on the same topic, I heard that jjj has an ultra promo of hater from some seattle source. I'm going to ring up sometime to see if they can play it. hopefully it isn't the track from hempilation. ----------------------------------- a thousand doors, a thousand lies rooms a thousand years wide ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: rc@gcc.cc.md.us Subject: Re: hmmm. TO>and Nirvana? No way having something other TO>than Kurt's raspy voice would have had the same effect. There's more to TO>singing than talent. There needs to be EMOTION. And these people's TO>emotion overcome their lack of talent. I'll have to agree with ol' Toy here. I don't think even Chris Cornell would sound right singing a song like Pennyroyal Tea. Just listen to it on the Unplugged album. There so much emotion. And at least the guy can carry a tune. TO>> if there's bad singing with a good tune (most of what nirvarner put out) TO>> then i'll sit there and wonder what the song would be like with chris TO>> cornell or jeff buckley singing it. Bad singing with a good tune? Ok. But you said talent has to have some technique, and I guess Kurt had SOME technique, but not so much that I can't play their songs. I mean, I can play most of their songs pretty well, and I haven't been playing very long. Just about every song by Nirvana is built around barre chords. I think someone already mentioned this, but I had to mention it again. TO>> this is precisely why now that i've heard sg's earlier stuff (i had the TO>> nerve to listen to the albums in reverse order. get out the iron maiden.) TO>Hey, i bought the albums i reverse order! (mostly, anyway) Me too, me too (I just love the bandwagon ;) TO>> i was rather disappointed. not only were the progressions and the ideas TO>> more primitive, dare i say punk, but the singing was for the most part TO>> lousy. the singing wasn't lousy. It wasn't that good compaired to Chris' singing on Superunknown, but compaired to the other music in that genre in that time period, it was pretty good. A bit uncontroled at times, but still not lousy. And you have to admire his range on Beyond the Wheel. TO>How could TO>you honestly expect the first work of any musician to be as intricate and TO>developed as his or her most recent work? Unless it's Pearl Jam (Ten). TO> Are you on crack like Nothingman? I'm getting better. Nothingman -One day I'll be as good as any man here...except the ones with shoes. ------------------------------ From: j_crocke@unity.ncsu.edu Subject: i have a copy of.... ;) now that i have your attention... yes, slick marketing ploy on my part :) my homepage was updated this weekend and i have audio files from Soundgarden bootlegs, TOOL bootlegs/singles and some Paw audio in anyone cares... i bet everyone is hating me right now... :) jeremy http://undertow.rh.ncsu.edu/ ------------------------------ From: Peter_Cabral@brown.edu (Peter Cabral) Subject: Re: hmmm. >> 1. ultramega OK (an ultramega disappointment after listening to bmf and su >> so much) >No way!!!!!!!! You mean Beyond the Wheel doesn't send chills racing >through your body? The riff doesn't make you absolutely afraid of your >cd player? Open your good eye! Ultramega OK rocks!!!!! Hell, it was on >SST and nominated for a (some big award)! How many records fill both of >those shoes? and hey, everything on SST rocked! here's my point. 1. the album is poorly mixed, unarguably. sst even thought it was. 2. there's a lousy blues cover on that album, that early sg should never have done (what they're capable of now is a different story.) zeppelin should have put a "do not try this in your garage" sticker on physical graffiti. 3. i do not hate the album. i just think that it was a disappointment to hear after hearing what they're like now. maybe i had skewed expectations, but whatever. the album has potential, and is interesting to hear now. >> and effect will pull the wool only so far. like mr. cobain or billy corgan >> or that joker from rancid: these guys should have shelled out their bucks >> and hired good singers for their bands instead of trying for the effect. >No way! As for the billy corgan experience, it would be impossible for >anyone else to sing the songs the way he intends. all right, i guess i just can't stand that david bowie pathos that he sticks in his singing. i just feel like saying, "sing the notes, deeter!" (i call him deeter, because he reminds me of the host of sprockets.) The man is still a musical genius, even if >he's not the perfect singer. um...hold on. call him a poet, a great songwriter, the beholder of the zeitgeist, whatever the hell you want, but as far as musical genius? let's not go there. keith jarrett was a musical genius, bach was, art tatum, glenn gould, but billy corgan? he pales in comparison. i don't care what kind of emotion he has. Now i think it is really silly of >you to suggest that Rancid needs a real singer because that's exactly >what the music they play stands against! now that's a message: "i'm singing badly because it's part of band's philosophy." translation: i couldn't find a good singer who was willing to look like a rooster for my band. >> this is precisely why now that i've heard sg's earlier stuff (i had the >> nerve to listen to the albums in reverse order. get out the iron maiden.) >Hey, i bought the albums i reverse order! (mostly, anyway) phew! i thought it was a crime to have listened to them that way, or to have not bought screaming life/fopp! although i can say that i have a vid boot of sg in la '88. looks like it was shot on a hi-8. kind of annoying to watch, because the sound is bad, and i am waiting for bob saget's voice to come over at any minute. >> i was rather disappointed. not only were the progressions and the ideas >> more primitive, dare i say punk, but the singing was for the most part >> lousy. >Well duh! Don't you think a band is gonna grow with experience? Or >would you rather have them stay the same their whole life? How could >you honestly expect the first work of any musician to be as intricate and >developed as his or her most recent work? that's where you're wrong. there are a small minority of bands and composers who showed off at the start and kept it simple as time went on. small minority is the key expression. remember, though: one person's developed is another's "sucks, it wasn't nearly as good as ten or vs." onan the barbarian **************************************************************************** it's not the pete, it's the stupidity. **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: jsharp@nwlink.com (fisto) Subject: Re: Almost Live/The Lame List Yeah, that guy is Kim Thayil, but I too keep wondering who those other people are. They look so familiar... FistO! "It has purple! Purple is a fruit" simpson's quote o' the day sorry if this has been covered, I have very slow reaction time. The question about Bill Nye shook this loose in my >aging brain. Bill Nye was on the cast of a Seattle >based comedy show called "Almost Live", that was picked >up by the cable comedy channel for a while. One of the >bits on the show was called "The Lame List", subtitled >"What's Weak this Week", where they polled the Seattle >Heavy Metal Community (their description, not mine) >about various subjects ("the club you're playing only has >Near Beer"..."your new girlfriend turns out to be 16"... >"the rent goes up") to which the answer was usually >"lame!" or sometimes, if the question was too intellectual/ >confusing, they would just look puzzled. The footage >was usually the same group of guys, one of whom looked >very much like Kim Thayil. Anybody ever seen and identified >the people/musicians in this sketch? > >I haven't had time to go through all the archives, has this been >beaten to death already? > >Maybe I have it on tape somewhere... > > ------------------------------ End of somms Digest [Volume 2 Issue 81] ***************************************